1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: Disgraceland as a production of Double Elvis. The stories about 2 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: New Order are insane. They hired a notorious crime family 3 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: to police their Manchester nightclub when it became overrun with 4 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: gang violence. Their manager did so much cocaine that he 5 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: suffered a mental breakdown and fought eight police officers when 6 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: they fitted him for a straight jacket. Their bass players 7 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: struggled with his own drug habit that led to an 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: undercover police sting and an arrest. At the height of 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: the band's fame, they proved that a rock band could 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: make dance music and actually become cooler in the process. 11 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: And the musical hybrid that they created not only to 12 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: find part of what the nineteen eighties sounded like. It 13 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: remains great music, some of the best music of all time. 14 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: Unlike that music I played for you at the top 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: of the show that wasn't great music. That was a 16 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: preset loop for my melotron called Bathtub Gritz MK one. 17 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: I played you that loop because I can't afford the 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 1: rights to Upside Down by Diana Ross. And why would 19 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: I play you that specific slice of Round and Round Cheese? 20 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: Could I afford it? Because that was the number one 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: song in America on September twentieth, nineteen eighty, and that 22 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: was the day that the Manchester band formerly known as 23 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: Joy Division, played their first show in the United States, 24 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: just months after the sudden death of their former lead singer. 25 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: On this episode, Notorious crime Families, mental breakdowns, police stings, 26 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: round and round cheese in New Order, I'm Jake Brennan 27 00:01:53,160 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: and this is Disgraceland. Did they want weed pills? Coke? 28 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: Paco could get them some coke. Paco hooked up all 29 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: the rock stars when they came to the island, like 30 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: Ronnie Wood. Fucking animal Ronnie Wood was. He did an 31 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: entire gram in one line, just one hint of the 32 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: body and you're off your tits all night. So what 33 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: would it be? Paco waited for an answer. He couldn't 34 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: say he was a fan of New Orders music, having 35 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: ever heard it, but he was starting to like these 36 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: four man cunions all the same because they're about to 37 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: make him a few extra box. Peter hook aka Hooky, 38 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: the band's bass player, quickly shook his head full of 39 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: his shoulder length hair and response, Nah, they didn't want coke. 40 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: The wanted the new drug they'd heard about, the one 41 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: that was readily available here in Abiza. They wanted ecstasy. 42 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: Paco was true to his word. He knew a guy, 43 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: and then New Order were rolling deep. The drug came 44 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: as advertised. It made music sound sublime and made late 45 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: nights blur into early mornings. It made you fall hard 46 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: for Bally Eric b that anything goes ethos of DJ 47 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: culture that throbbed from every sound system on the island. 48 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: When a DJ made a smooth transition from a hard 49 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: hitting acid house jam into Queens and other one bites 50 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: the dust, it felt like it was meant to be, 51 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: especially when you were on e Everything old was new again, 52 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: Everything's gone green. No wonder they called it ecstasy. You 53 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: wanted a hug everyone, even strangers, even the people who 54 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: were supposed to be your closest friends. But it gradually 55 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: become the people you couldn't hardly fucking stand to be around. 56 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty eight, eight years after they had risen 57 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: from the ashes of Joy, Division redefined themselves and invented 58 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: the sound of a new decade. The members of New 59 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: Order hated each other well. Their drummer Stephen Mars and 60 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: their keyboard player Jillian Gilbert were a couple, so they 61 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: get along just fine, but specifically Hookey hated Barney. The 62 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: feeling was mutual. Barney was Bernard Sunder, the band's guitar 63 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: player and lead singer. Barney was a synth man, more sequencers, 64 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: more drum machines, less of Hooky's trademark melodic bass. Hookey 65 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: took great offense at what he saw as Barney's attempt 66 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: to slowly stage a mutiny in the name of art. 67 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: This drama, of course, both personal and musical, was what 68 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: made New Order incredible. It's there and air, defining songs 69 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: like Blue Monday, True Face Seems Like Us, and the 70 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: perfect kiss yin and Yang. Hookey's bass, which he ran 71 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: through a chorus pedal and played a high up on 72 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: the neck, so high that people still mistake it for 73 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: a six tern guitar, remains the perfect musical foil to 74 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: Barney synthesizers. New Order proved that a rock band could 75 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: be a dance band and not lose any of its 76 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: cool When it came to losing one's actual cool. However, 77 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: routine drug use was a great equalizer. Copious amounts of 78 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: ecstasy made Hookey and Barney forget about their differences. It 79 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: also made them forget about what they were in Aviza 80 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: to do in the first place, make a new album. 81 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: Three months later, and tens of thousands of pounds down 82 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: the drain, they returned to their hometown of Manchester, England, 83 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: with only one song called Fine Time to show for it. 84 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: Tony Wilson, co founder of New Order's label Factory Records, 85 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: saw the glass as half full. He later said that 86 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: the band's time at Abiza was the most important working 87 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: holiday they ever took because they brought the island's energy 88 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: and technicolor musical palette back to industrial Britain. Bally Eric 89 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: Beat became the template for the Hacienda, the local club 90 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: the band co owned with Factory Records and Tony Wilson. 91 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: At the Hacienda, Manchester became Manchester dungarees, baggy shirts, bandennas 92 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: the omnipresent yellow smiley face. The Hacienda was where the 93 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: legs of the Smiths, the Stone Roses and Oasis collided 94 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: with acid, house music and rave culture. But a rejuvenated 95 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: nightclub wasn't the only thing. A visa was good for 96 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: the band's fifth studio album, Technique, which they finished at 97 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: Peter Gabriel's Real World Studios put their Mediterranean Experience on Wax. 98 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: Released in January of nineteen eighty nine, Technique was New 99 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: Order's first album to reach number one on the UK 100 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: charts and the US it peaked at number thirty two, 101 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: their highest position to date, and with great success came 102 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: great excess. When New Order tour to promote the record, 103 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: they no longer traveled in cars and vans. They traveled 104 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: in limos and planes. Every night ended with a rave, 105 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: and people danced on tables, fucked in bathroom stalls. Cocaine 106 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: and paranol made the rounds that you couldn't see straight. 107 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: Just like back in the Visa, everything felt so goddamn good. 108 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: You could close your eyes and forget about all the problems. 109 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: You could actually believe that it was good to be 110 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: in New Order. And for a moment, maybe it was 111 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: Dominic Noonan knew at least one of the other guys 112 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: standing across from him at the pub at a Shotgun, 113 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: some punk from Moss Side or Cheatham Hill, maybe Salford. 114 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: Little Twat thought he owned the place. He thought he 115 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: owned any place he walked into, like the Hacienda Club 116 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: that Nonon had been hired to protect and protect it 117 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: he did. Even when he was somewhere else. Noonan could 118 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: hear the dog barking outside this little pub. It belonged 119 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: to one of these pricks that stood before him. They 120 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't stop bringing their gang violence to New Orders Club. 121 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: It was Nonon's job to make them stop. He got 122 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: an idea. He walked outside. The door swung shut behind him. 123 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: The dog's incessant barking was suddenly silenced, and there was 124 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: a high pitched squeal, and then nothing. Moments later, Noonon 125 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 1: walked back inside. He held a machete in one hand. 126 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: In his other hand the dogs severed head. He dropped 127 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: the bloody head on the pool table. Noonon looked the 128 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: guy with the shotgun in the eye. Stay the fuck 129 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: away from the Hacienda, he said. For the next time, 130 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: it will be a human head on this table. By 131 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, things had changed. The scene at the 132 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: Hacienda had gotten out of control. A bigger profile meant 133 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: bigger problems. Bouncers and patrons were routinely stabbed. Shots were 134 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: fired in the club's foyer. A DJ was held at 135 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: gunpoint and told to surrender his records, the cops did 136 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: fuck all. New Order had no choice but to employ 137 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: the services of the noonans and infamous Manchester crime Firm. 138 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: For those in America, listening, crime firm is the same 139 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: as crime family, just the English version, not crime family 140 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: or gang crime firm. That's why I'm using crime firm. Okay, 141 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: So Savior angry letters. Gang conflict wasn't the only issue, though. 142 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: The Hacienda was hemorrhaging money had been for years to 143 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: any free drinks. That's what happens when twenty four hour 144 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: party people are given a business to run. Every time 145 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: New Order had a financial windfall, their earnings were funneled 146 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: directly into the club to keep it alive. And when 147 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: rave culture hit, the very culture that New Order helped 148 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: usher in, they found they could no longer give the 149 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: booze away, and no one wanted to get drunk. They 150 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: just wanted water, free water so they could stay hydrated 151 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: while rolling on e ecstasy. The Hacienda was in serious trouble. Then. 152 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: That meant the factory records, which effectively underwrote the club, 153 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: was also in serious trouble. The four members of New 154 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: Order were facing financial ruin. They were guaranteurs on the 155 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: loans for both the Hacienda and factory, which meant that 156 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: if the club or the label went belly up, they 157 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: were personally responsible. Then they stood to lose everything, and 158 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: there was only one way to save it all. New 159 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: Order had to make a new record, a hit record, 160 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: a record that was even bigger than Technique. Only then 161 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: could they generate the kind of cash flow it needed 162 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: to keep things running. It wasn't going to be easy. 163 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: Barney was fucking off with Johnny Marraw, Morrissey's former foil 164 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: and the Smith's on a side project called Electronic, which 165 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: suited Hookey just fine, because now that all the Avisa 166 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: ecstasy had probably worn off, he was back to hating 167 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: Barney's guts like it was his job. Hookey knew they'd 168 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: have to bury the hatchet one more time and figure 169 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: out how to get along long enough to make something great. 170 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: How the hell were they going to do that? Easy? 171 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: Drugs, lots and lots of drugs. 172 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty five. Somewhere in England, Rob Bretton New Order's manager, 173 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: squirmed uncomfortably in the passenger seat of the AUTI two 174 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: hundred Turbo Quadra he had, the fucking cocaine was gone. 175 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: That was the thing with Rob and coke. One bump 176 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: was too much and two bumps were never enough. But 177 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: he had a solution. It was coke and a tour 178 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: bus just a few kilometers up the road. Rob looked 179 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: over at Hookey sitting in the driver's seat and told 180 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: him the floor. They're going to catch that bus. Fuck 181 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: they were. The bus was long gone by now. It 182 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: was a fool's errand. And that was the other thing 183 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: about Rob and coke. You just couldn't fucking reason with 184 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: him anymore. Hookey sank his foot into the gas pedal, 185 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: shifted up a gear, and felt the out. He roared 186 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: to life. The English Motorway stretched ahead. Hookey buried the 187 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: needle with resentment. He didn't really want to chase the 188 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: bus full of drugs, because at this point in his life, 189 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: Hookey had little interest in those drugs. But at the 190 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: same time, he didn't want to wait and find out 191 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: what was gonna happen if Rob's nose went unpowdered for 192 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: much longer. Another car came up quickly on the right side. 193 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: It gained on them, a Jaguar not just any Jaguar 194 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: driven by any bloke a cock shit the last fucking 195 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: thing they need. The jag sped ahead slightly and then 196 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: angled in front of the Oudie. Its tiles squealed across 197 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: the motorway. Hookey slammed on the brakes. He brought the 198 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: Oudi to a stop in the side of the road. 199 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: Then he braced himself for what would happen next. The 200 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: cop did the hole do you know how fast you 201 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: were going? Thing? And Hooky did the hole I'm very sorry, officer, 202 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: won't happen again. Thing. But then the cop let Hookey 203 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: go with a warning. Strange even stranger. After the cops 204 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: sped off, Rob wouldn't stop staring at Hookey. The fuck 205 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: was the matter with him? He told him? I had dope? 206 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: Rob said. Finally, Hooky couldn't believe his ears. He told 207 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: who Rob had what? Rob pointed a shaking finger at Hookey. 208 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: I was reading your lips, Rob said, He told that 209 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: copper I had dope. That was the moment Hooky realized 210 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: that Rob absolutely had a problem, and it wasn't the 211 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: bust full of coke that they'd never catch up to. 212 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: Throughout nineteen eighty five, Hookey and the other members of 213 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: New Order watched as their manager descended into full blown 214 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: drug addiction and full blown paranoia. Heavy drug use wasn't 215 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: part of New Order's regular routine in nineteen eighty five. 216 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: They drank, they did speed, they partied like the rock 217 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: stars they were quickly becoming. But coke was their manager's back. 218 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: Rob's habit was costing thirty five hundred pounds a week, 219 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: money that would have gone straight back into the Hacienda's 220 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: till if it wasn't busy going up his nose. It 221 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: brought back bad memories of Martin Hennett, New Order's original 222 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: producer entitled twat Martin Hennett. When the band went to 223 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: make their debut studio album, Movement in nineteen eighty one, 224 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: Martin refused to get to work until they found him 225 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: a gram of blow. But he never pulled that shit 226 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: when Ian was around. Ian, of course, was Ian Curtis, 227 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: singer for New Order's former group Joy Division, dynamic frontman 228 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: Doom and melancholy in his voice, a perfect match to 229 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: the coldly detached sound of their instruments. Martin made Stephen 230 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: Morris record each part of his drum sets separately bass drum, 231 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: then snare, then high hat, take we have to take, 232 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: until eventually the human performance was completely drained and they 233 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: were left with the sound of a machine. Joydavision's new 234 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: sound paved the way for a whole new genre that 235 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: would become known as post punk before it eventually splintered 236 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: off into new wave, gothrock and moore. But before all that, 237 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: on the eve of Joydavision's first American tour in nineteen eighty, 238 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: Ian Curtis hanged himself with a clothesline in his kitchen. 239 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: The memory of their late singer hung over the band 240 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: with a lead blanket. They could barely crawl out from 241 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: under it. On that first tour of America, where they 242 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: were still built as Joy Division or Pex Joy Division, 243 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: or even used to be Joydavision, but they weren't Joy 244 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: Division anymore. The name New Order reflected that a creative 245 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: choice to start over. The name was also deliberately provocative 246 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: with its inescapable Nazi connotations, just like how Joydavision was 247 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: inspired by the name of a brothel in Hitler's concentration camps. 248 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: Stephen Vue defended their choice of names explaining that they 249 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: always sympathized with the victims, not the villains, but both 250 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: Hookey and barn and he admitted to more than a 251 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: passing obsession with the idea of fascism. Hookie acknowledged the 252 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: quote certain physical sensation you get from flirting with something 253 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: like that, That's a quote. Bernie, on the other hand, 254 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: was fascinated with how beautiful art and design could emerge 255 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: from a culture of hate. The cover art for New 256 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: Orders singles and albums, created by Factory Records graphic artist 257 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: Peter Seville, were inspired by the Italian futurist movement, which 258 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: had its own relationship with fascism, in which, like Bernie's 259 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: vision for the band, rejected the past and embraced the future. 260 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: It was all part of an ambiguous aesthetic. The band 261 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: members weren't identified on record sleeves, and they refused to 262 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: be photographed. They gained a reputation for avoiding interviews. They 263 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: opposed the cult of personality. But at the end of 264 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: the day, New Order or a band, don't fool yourself. 265 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: The bands are democratic. A dictator always emerges, and that 266 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: person in New Order was Barney, because he was the 267 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: one who stepped into Ian Chu's first, he wasn't a 268 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: singer like Ian. His voice was fragile and saw where 269 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: Ian's was more assertive and confident. But the more he 270 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: did it, the more comfortable he became, and the more 271 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: comfortable he became, the more he felt empowered to steer 272 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: new order away from their past. On tour New York 273 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: City in the early eighties, he heard and saw the 274 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: future post disco Latin freestyle role in eight o eight's 275 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: Chep Pettibone's master mixes on Kiss FM. When Jillian Gilbert joined, 276 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: she played keyboards, as did the other members of the 277 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: group with increasing frequency. Because guitar, bass, and drums, those 278 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: were instruments of the past, synthesizers, triggers, pulse sequencers, drum machines. 279 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: They were the next movement. At least Barney thought they were. 280 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: To hookey. All these new devices were just a royal 281 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: pain in the ass, So much time wasted on programming machines. 282 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: Jillian worked for hours making a color coded chart of 283 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: how the sequencer was programmed for their single Blue Monday 284 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: and why. Because of the machine shot the bed, they 285 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: had a blueprint to reprogram it. In all his years 286 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: as a professional musician, it never felt less like one. 287 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: Why couldn't they all just play, you know, like a 288 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: proper band? Couldn't even be a proper banded soundcheck? Soundcheck 289 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: was now devoted to troubleshooting drum machines and sequencers and 290 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: finicky samplers that use floppy disc The setup alone was 291 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: labor intensive, and if your name wasn't Bernard's Summer, it 292 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: most definitely wasn't a labor of love. Still, as frustrating 293 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: his New Order was becoming for Hooky, he couldn't deny 294 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: that their song Blue Monday was a massive success, not 295 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: just for the band but for Factory Records. DJs couldn't 296 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: get enough of the seven and a half minute version 297 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: of the twelve inch single. It's still often called the 298 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: biggest selling twelve inch record of all time. How did 299 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: it feel pretty fucking good man? His bass sounded pretty 300 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: fucking awesome on it? 301 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: Two. 302 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: In that same year, nineteen eighty three, New Order released Power, 303 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: Corruption and Lies, their second full length album and first masterpiece. 304 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: Low Life and Brotherhood followed in nineteen eighty five. In 305 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six, but Brotherhood reflected the division that had 306 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: developed was in the band. One side of the record 307 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: was a little more dance oriented, then the other side 308 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: was a little more rock and roll. New Orders of 309 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: Love for the music had once brought them together back 310 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,239 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty and when they lost one of their 311 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: own and longed for purpose, longed for direction and the 312 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: strength to carry on. But that was then, and this 313 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: was now. Love couldn't fix this. Love created a divide, 314 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: and love would tear them apart. We'll be right back 315 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: after this. We're, We're, We're. By the end of nineteen 316 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: eighty six, Americans had finally caught on to New Order, 317 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: and they had some unexpected advocates to thank for that. 318 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: Music legend Quincy Jones, best known for his work with 319 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: legends like Frank Sinatra and Michael Jackson, signed the band 320 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: to a licensing deal. His lay of Quest was now 321 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: distributing New Orders albums in the US. Meanwhile, John Hughes 322 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: and Demi included New Order tracks on the soundtracks to 323 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: their movies Pretty in Pink and Something Wild. The band 324 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: was suddenly a hot UK import, which meant that temptation 325 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: was harder than ever to resist. For Hooky, there was temptation, 326 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: and there was frustration. It's hard to say where one 327 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: ended and the other began. He was tired of arguing, 328 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: tired of wrestling, was since he worried that this would 329 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: be the last time his wife would believe all the 330 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: lies he told her whenever he returned home from abroad. 331 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: Of course, he didn't sleep with other women. He only 332 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: had eyes for her. Wont bullshit. He knew that, deep 333 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: down she knew, and yet she let him carry on 334 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: the charade anyway, whether it was temptation or frustration. On 335 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: this night in December of nineteen eighty six, almost ten 336 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: years into the life as a professional musician and now 337 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: in his early thirties, Hooky did a line of blow 338 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: that would change his life forever, and not in a 339 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: good way. Hooky saw firsthand what cocaine could do to 340 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: a man, drove Rob Bretton to a full psychotic break. 341 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: Rob attempted to fight off eight cops when they fitted 342 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: him with a straight jacket. He was committed for a 343 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: short period of time, after which he returned, and of 344 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: course New Order welcomed him back into the fold, though 345 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: he was never the same. But Hooky wasn't Rob, or 346 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: so he thought. It was. Late in the after party 347 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: in the Tampa nightclub was electric. The line went up 348 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: his nose quickly, and then everything was on fast forward, 349 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: like he had pressed that double arrow button on a 350 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: VHS promote, and the tracking on the screen went all 351 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: fluttery and herky jerky images scattered by. Some girl flirted 352 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: with him, He flirted back. She disappeared, probably playing hard 353 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: to get. Some kid took her place and said, hey, man, 354 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: that's my sister. Leave her alone, Leave her alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 355 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: Hookie gave the voice of the lift service and told 356 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: him the fuck off. The girl came back and Hookey 357 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: worked his Manchester term again, but once more she left 358 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: and the kid was back, and he was screaming, Now, 359 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: I told you to leave my fucking sister alone. I 360 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: swear to God. Get a little nervous this time, but 361 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: maybe this American kid was gonna nun him if Hookie 362 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: got fresh. And when the girl turned up again, Hooky 363 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: told her that they should go their separate ways. He 364 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: didn't want to any trouble from her brother. She furrowed 365 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: her brow. Look brother, brother, She didn't have a brother. 366 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: Hooky saw red miserable, lying twat cock blocking Yankee fucko. 367 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: Hookey found the kid in the crowd and made a beeline, 368 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: and the coke sizzled on the back of his throat 369 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: like an egg in the hood of a car in 370 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: late summer. He grabbed the kid by his shirt collar, 371 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: hit him without warning, and the kid crumpled to the floor. 372 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: Hookey lifted his leg and stuck smood in the kid's throat, 373 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: and the kid struggled on his back, his face going red, 374 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 1: and then blew his arms, lashing wildly. When the club's 375 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: bouncers finally pulled Hooky away and the kid grasped for air, 376 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: the kid was thrown out. Peter hook was in fucking 377 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: new order the ones hosting this after party. Hooky didn't 378 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: need cocaine to tell him that he could do no wrong. 379 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: But it didn't hurt. What did hurt was over indulging. 380 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: Two years later, it was nineteen eighty eight. Hooky, like 381 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: Rob before him, was officially an addict. In a hotel 382 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: room in Brazil, last night of the tour, someone passed 383 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: him a plate loaded with coke. Hooky hoovered it up. 384 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: His brain went into overdrive. He rambled. All he could 385 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: hear was the sound of his own voice, and the 386 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: sun came up, and he found some more powder in 387 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: the pocket of a jacket and snorted it. Someone was 388 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: unconscious in a bathtub. Half naked girls walked by. Hookey 389 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: was still fucking blabbering Jesus Christ. He needed a few 390 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: hours of shut eye. It was back on a plane tomorrow, 391 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: back to England, back to reality. His muscles spasmed, his 392 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: head pounded, his mind raced, but his brain couldn't communicate 393 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: with his limbs, and later that morning he needed a 394 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: wheelchair to get on the airplane. All he could think 395 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: about was how shitty he felt. He didn't want to 396 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: think about everything else, like what Barney had recently told 397 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: the band a new Order at the height of their 398 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: burgeoning worldwide success about to reach heights they never thought possible, 399 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: and Barney wanted to take a break, pursue other creative endeavors, 400 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: work with other people. Hook he dealt with it by 401 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: getting super fucked up, so fucked up that he thought 402 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: he could never feel worse if he tried. He was wrong. 403 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: August nineteen ninety one, Hooki met Stephen and Jillian at 404 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: their farm in Michaelsfield to begin writing new orders next record. 405 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: Their future was writing on it. Their club, The Hacienda, 406 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: was overrun with gangsters and was in serious financial trouble. 407 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: Ditto for their label, Factory Records. Their asses were on 408 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: the line, but something was missing, some one was missing. 409 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: Barney didn't show up, at least not at first, too 410 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: busy with Johnny Marr. It seemed selfish to the rest 411 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: of the band to leave them hanging in their time 412 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: of need. But the other three carried on. They wrote, 413 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: and the songs took shape. They sounded fucking incredible. Even 414 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: more incredible was how the three band members felt. It 415 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: hadn't felt this way in years. A true closeness, unbreakable bond, 416 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: and not having Barney, their de facto leader, there to 417 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: fuck it all up, that felt best of all, Barney 418 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: had instructed them to work on new material, and he'd 419 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: come at the end to add his vocals brilliant, So 420 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: that's just what they did. But when Barney finally did 421 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: show up, he didn't just add his vocals. He rewrote bridges, 422 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: he rewrote choruses, he rewrote entire songs. In his book 423 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: Substance Inside New Order, Hookey claims that Barney endeavored to 424 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: write him, Stephen and Gillian off the album and effectively 425 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: make a Bernard Sumner solo record. HOOKI got lucky when 426 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: their producer later had him double back and had his 427 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: bass guitar and a lot of the places where Barney 428 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: had taken it out. Still, little mercies such as those 429 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: didn't relieve the tension that continued to build up within 430 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,479 Speaker 1: the band. The highs were incredibly high, like in nineteen 431 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: ninety when the band was tapped to record World in Motion, 432 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: a song for the England national football team's FIFA World 433 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: Cup campaign that made something that was universally meaningful, and 434 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 1: it became their only number one song the UK singles 435 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: Charm the song can't stay number one forever. The Loew's 436 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: were waiting there when things settled down. You were made 437 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: to feel like your opinion was no longer valued, like 438 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: your input was no longer required, like you were disposable 439 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: to make things worse. In late nineteen ninety two, before 440 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: the band could finish their new album, Factory Records went bankrupt. 441 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: Factory could have been saved, as it turned out, if 442 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: their competitor, London Records had actually bought them, as was 443 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: the plan, But when it was discovered the Factory didn't 444 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: actually have contracts with its artists and that the artists 445 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: owned their own work. London just waited for the inevitable. 446 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: Factory quickly succumbed to its financial burdens, and London swept 447 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: in to claim New Order for their own. Brilliant quote 448 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: Tony Wilson, capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Republic. 449 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: The Vand's sixth studio album, the one that had put 450 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: Barney had even greater odds with the rest of the group, 451 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: was released on London Records in the spring of nineteen 452 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: ninety three. It was commercial success. The band hoped it 453 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: would be helping to relieve some of their looming fiscal hardships. 454 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: It was their second consecutive album to top the UK charts, 455 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: and in the US it reached number eleven on the 456 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: Billboard two hundred, led largely by its leadoff track and 457 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: single Regret, which stormed the charts on both sides of 458 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: the Atlantic. With The success came at a cost. Only 459 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: one member of New Order loved the album when he 460 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: listened to it, and the other three only heard frustration, 461 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: disappointment and heartbreak. Stephen Morris later ranked it as his 462 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: least favorite New Order album, simply because it brought back 463 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: awful memories of an awful time. Hooky once again partied 464 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: in order to block those awful memories out. He got 465 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: high and danced to the Acid House soundtrack. At the Hacienda, 466 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: he hung out with drug dealers, and they became close, 467 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: so close that when one of them asked Hooky to 468 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: be a guaranteer on the purchase of a phone for them, 469 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: he gladly supplied his home address and credit card number, 470 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: but not close enough for Hooky to know that the 471 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: dealers were a big time, like a million pounds of 472 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: dope per deal, big time, like the subject of an 473 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: extensive undercover police sting, big time, and before Hooki knew it, 474 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: the party would come crash into a halt in more 475 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: ways than one. In hindsight, it was a horrible idea, 476 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: but at the time it made perfect sense. Hooky arrived 477 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: at the courthouse simply to offer his support. His drug 478 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: buddies are on the hook for moving a ship ton 479 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: of dope. You just don't let your friends hang out 480 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: to dry, and it's time of need. So he attended 481 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: their sentencing and witnessed as they all caught serious time 482 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: in a Manchester prison. Strange ways, here we come outside 483 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: on the court house steps. Hookie suddenly got that sinking 484 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: feeling that he was headed for a similar fee. Three 485 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: cops talked amongst themselves and motioned in his direction. Hookey 486 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: felt the hairs on his neck go up, and then 487 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: the cops began to move, first a determined stride, and 488 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: then they got faster, and they were headed straight for him. 489 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: And then he remembered, Fuck, it was the phone, that 490 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: fucking phone. Drug dealers being drug dealers, they didn't tend 491 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: to open bank accounts or credit cards, but they did 492 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: have phones. And Hooky, in his fucked upstate, thought it 493 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: was a good idea to purchase a mobile device for 494 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: his drug dealing friends with not only his famous name, 495 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: but with also his money. He underwrote the drug trade 496 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: just as transparently as he underwrote the music business in 497 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: Manchester's night life. Cocaine it's a hell of a drug. 498 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: And the cops caught up to Hooky outside the courtroom 499 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: and placed him under arrest for conspiracy to supply controlled drugs. 500 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: They brought Hooky to an interrogation room inside the courthouse, 501 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: and he was sweating, not because of the charges before him, 502 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: but because he was carrying three grams of cocaine and 503 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: a handful of speed stuffed inside his wallet. When the 504 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: cops weren't looking, Hooky massaged his ass against the chair 505 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 1: and slowly worked his wallet out. He grabbed it discreetly 506 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 1: with his hand, and from behind his back, felt around 507 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: inside until he located the baggies. He moved slow, no 508 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: sudden movements. The table had a large base, thank fucking god. 509 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: So again, when the cops weren't looking, he lifted the 510 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: table up slightly with his knee and tossed the baggies 511 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: safely underneath. No harm, no foul, thankfully. No harm, no 512 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: foul was essentially the police department's assessment of the situation 513 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: after Hookie was released on bail, and they actually decided 514 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: not to search his home when they showed up. He 515 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 1: was too fucking big, Hooky was. No drugs are They 516 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: told him to stay out of trouble. It was like 517 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: that time on the motorway all those years ago when 518 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: he was chasing a coke filled torbus at illegal speeds 519 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: and was let off for the warning. It was good 520 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: to be Peter hook but it was no longer so 521 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: good to be a member of New Order. The divide 522 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: was getting wider. On August twenty ninth, nineteen ninety three, 523 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: while touring behind the Republic album, New Order played the 524 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: final gig featuring their original lineup at the Running Festival. 525 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't planned, but the band took some time off 526 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: after that, But when they finally did reconvene at the 527 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: end of the century, Jillian Gilbert decided not to continue 528 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: on Hooky For one was shocked that he and Barney 529 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: were actually getting along for once, even if that didn't 530 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: last for long, And maybe it was an attempt to 531 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: reclaim the things they'd lost, like Ian Curtis, or the 532 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: collaborative high watermark of their mid nineteen eighties work, or 533 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: the Hacienda Club, which finally followed in the Factory's footsteps 534 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: when it shut down in nineteen ninety seven after a 535 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: final year in which Hookie himself paid seven pounds a 536 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: month to keep it open. For a band that defined 537 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: the future, being tethered to the past did them no favors. 538 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: But the future that lay ahead for New Order in 539 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: the twenty first century wasn't the future of old who 540 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: was riddled with less groundbreaking music and more calm conflict, 541 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: more acrimonious splits, and even lawsuits that divide between rock 542 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: and roll and dance music. It's now a permanent one, 543 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: with Bernard Sumner carrying on the New Order name, while 544 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: Peter Hook fronts his own band The Light, which performs 545 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: many of New Order's classic songs. 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