WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 7/9: Listener Q&A

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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<v Speaker 1>Lazar and Alex Bars from Lazarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, everybody, nailed it, Joined us always by our bark.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everybody, and welcome into a special pre taped edition

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<v Speaker 2>of Catch twenty two. If you're wondering why Alex and

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<v Speaker 2>I are wearing the same exact clothes that we were

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<v Speaker 2>wearing last week, it's because we pre taped this show,

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<v Speaker 2>so we are not live. This is us coming to

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<v Speaker 2>you about a week before I'm about to tie the knot,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm going to be off getting married, which is

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<v Speaker 2>why I Am not going to be here for a

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<v Speaker 2>live show in our typical spot. But we didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to leave you guys completely hanging. We wanted to give

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<v Speaker 2>you some Patriots content while I am on a vacation

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<v Speaker 2>on our honeymoon. But Alex, we wanted to do this

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<v Speaker 2>training camp heavy because when I come back, this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is our last day is going to be rolling. It's

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<v Speaker 3>easy to think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't believe summer is already over. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>spend July fourth on the beach, and then I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>married and then our honeymoon, and then training camp is

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<v Speaker 2>right there, so we're we're three weeks away as we

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<v Speaker 2>tape this from training camp. So before I should say,

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<v Speaker 2>we also asked for a bunch of male bag questions

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<v Speaker 2>from you guys on the X machine, and I really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. We got over thirty responses to that tweet

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<v Speaker 2>that I just tweeted out this morning, so we got

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of responses. We're gonna go We are terrible

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<v Speaker 2>at rapid fire, but we're gonna rapid fire through these.

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<v Speaker 3>Responses here there are, and I'll try to get through

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<v Speaker 3>all of them as I possibly can't, because we really

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<v Speaker 3>do appreciate all these questions from you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the show today. We're gonna start with the

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<v Speaker 2>big picture thought from each of us on training camp,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're gonna get into your mail bag questions.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's start there, Bartha, what's on your mind about

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<v Speaker 2>training camp? Kind of big picture that you're looking forward to.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think the two big things, and we

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<v Speaker 3>just talked about this in the show we finished wrapping up.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna put the offensive line to the side, because yes,

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna be interesting. How will Campbell looks or he'd

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<v Speaker 3>be interested to see the battle left guard. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>really gear up until the preseason, so like just training

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<v Speaker 3>camp right. The two things one Drake may obviously what

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<v Speaker 3>does the year two leap look like? Does he look

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<v Speaker 3>more confident? Does he look more comfortable? How is he

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<v Speaker 3>picking up the new offensive system? Does he pick up

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<v Speaker 3>we left off in the spring? And is he taking

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<v Speaker 3>care of the football? Just everything we've talked about Drake

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<v Speaker 3>made this offseason, all that he had an encouraging rookie

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<v Speaker 3>year butt. Everything that comes after that butt is what

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<v Speaker 3>we're looking at. The second thing defense Schematically, we have

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<v Speaker 3>a general idea of what this is gonna look like

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<v Speaker 3>right under Mike Vrabel, just based on his time in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 3>But there still are a few loose odds and ends.

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<v Speaker 3>How are they gonna use Kyle Dugger and Jabrill Peppers

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<v Speaker 3>after Duger missed the spring due to an injury, Does

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<v Speaker 3>Anthonny Jennings fit in? Where does he fit in? What

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<v Speaker 3>are they gonna do about the linebackers who's primarily playing

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<v Speaker 3>next to Robert s Blane. There's just still a how

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<v Speaker 3>much are they gonna use that big slot? There's just

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<v Speaker 3>still a few scheme questions schematically for this defense that

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think we'll get answered one hundred percent because

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<v Speaker 3>obviously they're not gonna show everything before they get into

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<v Speaker 3>the regular season. But I think we'll get some big

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<v Speaker 3>picture answers to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of really good stuff there, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say the defensively, just looking at that for a second,

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<v Speaker 2>how they defend the slot and how they defend tight

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<v Speaker 2>ends is something that I'm not entirely I don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I have a great grasp quite yet of how

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna do that, because in a Belichick style defense,

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<v Speaker 2>it was very obvious they like to have the Jonathan

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<v Speaker 2>Jones Marcus Jones type of true nickel corner in the

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<v Speaker 2>slot that could play man to man against shifty receivers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was typically their slot. And then they had the

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<v Speaker 2>hybrids playing against the tight ends, you know, the Chungs,

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<v Speaker 2>the duggers, those types of players. How they decide to

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<v Speaker 2>do that is a little bit of an unknown under vlabel.

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<v Speaker 2>In Tennessee they did it a little bit differently. They

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<v Speaker 2>did also have guys towards the end, especially with like

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<v Speaker 2>a player like a Moni Hooker, who was a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more in that mold of like a chunk, but

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't always the same. You mentioned the big slot

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<v Speaker 2>when you have a corner, and I really like Marcus

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<v Speaker 2>Jones as a player, But when you have Marcus Jones

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<v Speaker 2>who's five 'ot nine, right, that's a very big difference

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<v Speaker 2>between the big slot and Marcus Jones. So how do

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of find that happy meeting in there. Your

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<v Speaker 2>Drake May point is really good as well. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go even further up for a second. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a little Felger and Mas for you go true bird's

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<v Speaker 2>eye view on it. There's a lot of talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Drake May his year two leap, what he can do individually,

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<v Speaker 2>performance in the clutch, cutting down on turnovers, carrying over

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<v Speaker 2>the good things that he did from his rookie season.

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<v Speaker 2>My question when we go into training camp, because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if we're truly going to answer has Drake

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<v Speaker 2>made made the leap until we get into them.

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<v Speaker 3>We can there will be early indication.

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<v Speaker 2>There'll be early indications, and I promise you we will

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<v Speaker 2>break down every little early indication one way or another.

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<v Speaker 2>But big picture, my thought is have the Patriots done

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<v Speaker 2>enough to support Drake May. Do the Patriots have enough

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<v Speaker 2>of an infrastructure around Drake May that he can truly flourish,

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<v Speaker 2>Because I don't think we're in a world anymore where

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<v Speaker 2>it's enough to just expect, especially a second year quarterback, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>to just pull the truck all by himself. Like, I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't think you can really ask him for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year, even though he had the flashes, even though

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<v Speaker 2>we came out of his rookie season feeling really good

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<v Speaker 2>about his upward trajectory, there was clearly a failure organizationally

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<v Speaker 2>around him, the coaching, the infrastructure, personnel wise. Have they

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<v Speaker 2>built up the offensive line enough? Do they have enough weapons?

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<v Speaker 2>Is Mike Rabel and Josh McDaniel's this as of coaching

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<v Speaker 2>upgrade that we think it is on paper? Defensively? Can

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<v Speaker 2>they get back to the level that they were twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two to twenty three where he doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>score thirty a game to win, you know, win all

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<v Speaker 2>the time? Have they done enough to help Drake May?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm of the belief, because you know, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>Drake May guy. Yeah, I'm the belief that if everything

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<v Speaker 2>around Drake May is at a level of a standard

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<v Speaker 2>of just competent to above. I think Drake May is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a franchise quarterback. I think Drake May is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do the rest. But you can't expect Drake May

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<v Speaker 2>in the second season in the NFL to take a

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<v Speaker 2>team that is undermanned and turn them into a good

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<v Speaker 2>football team all on his own. So in your mind,

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<v Speaker 2>have they done enough on paper and now we have

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<v Speaker 2>to go from paper to actually performance to really set

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<v Speaker 2>him up to succeed in year two because it's.

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<v Speaker 3>As much on them as it is on him to

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<v Speaker 3>set him up. I think for year two they still

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<v Speaker 3>need to do more long term the answers. Maybe like

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<v Speaker 3>on paper they did, but it hinges on Will Campbell

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<v Speaker 3>and hinges on Stephan Diggs, and you're talking about a

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<v Speaker 3>rookie and you're talking about a thirty old guy coming

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<v Speaker 3>off with torn AZL. So that's if those guys both hit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think May's in a really good spot. If neither

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<v Speaker 3>of those guys can play at a starter level, you're

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<v Speaker 3>not quite back to where you were last year, but

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<v Speaker 3>you're definitely not a great place.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel as though there's been a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this about Drake, about him taking the year

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<v Speaker 2>or two leap, about him individually succeeding, and him is succeeding.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the only other thing I hear frequently about that

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<v Speaker 2>is Josh McDaniels, right, Josh McDaniels' role in Drake succeeding.

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<v Speaker 2>But to me, making a quarterback work is an organizational thing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a top down organizational thing. Are you doing all

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<v Speaker 2>the right things to point the bus in the direction

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<v Speaker 2>of making your quarterback succeed. It's not just enough for

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<v Speaker 2>Drake May to be good on his own vacuum. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not good enough for him to have a good play

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<v Speaker 2>Calier in a vacuum. He needs to have the talent

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<v Speaker 2>around him and the support around him, and that to

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<v Speaker 2>me is a question mark. But it's also not totally

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<v Speaker 2>out of the realm that they did enough. But I

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<v Speaker 2>just have to see it. We have to see it now,

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<v Speaker 2>some of these win totals we hear ten and eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>twelve wins. If they're really going to reach that, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to just be Drake May. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be all of it. All of it's going to be better.

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<v Speaker 2>The defense is going to be better, the offensive line

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be better, the receivers are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be better, the situation will play, and coaching is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be better. All your stuff, you know, end a half,

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<v Speaker 2>end of game, how they handle clock and all that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff will be better. So I put as

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<v Speaker 2>much of it on the organization, on Elliott Wolf, on Vrabel,

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<v Speaker 2>on McDaniel's on the players around Drake May as they

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<v Speaker 2>do on Drake May. So I'm curious to see where

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<v Speaker 2>they're at with that. So those are our big picture thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get to your questions here. Start here with Andrew.

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<v Speaker 2>He's at Nest PGS. I'm sure a lot of you

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<v Speaker 2>people follow him out there. He said, Aside for maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a pass rusher and a tight end, what position do

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<v Speaker 2>you have in the back of your mind as a

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<v Speaker 2>sneaky need early in the draft next year?

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<v Speaker 3>Pass rusher and tight end? I mean wide receiver. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess isn't sneaky.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I think that's no. That's the offant the right.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll go back to old reliable deep safety, real free safety.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, real free safety. I'm gonna stay on that

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<v Speaker 3>one until you get that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go linebacker, off ball linebacker, I really like

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Splane. I think they're higher on guys like Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Gibbons and Christian Ellis and Tavia potentially as well as

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some of the fans are, some of the outside

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<v Speaker 2>observers are. But they set themselves up nicely. Where Drake

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<v Speaker 2>may is the you know, obviously the twenty four draft,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty five draft, you go left tackle, wide receiver,

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<v Speaker 2>like you go premium position yep, at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>both of these drafts. So in theory, the third draft

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<v Speaker 2>here with Elliott Wolf should be able to be some

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<v Speaker 2>of these other things right free safety, off ball linebacker,

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<v Speaker 2>guard like positions that aren't quite as valuable as left tackle, quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>wide receiver. But if you have to keep repeating that

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<v Speaker 2>cycle of drafting receivers and left tackles, and you've done

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<v Speaker 2>something wrong in the previous drafts. So in order to

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<v Speaker 2>project and hope that they're building someplace of success, it's

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<v Speaker 2>there going in that direction of now they can hit

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<v Speaker 2>on an off ball linebacker, now they can hit on

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<v Speaker 2>free safety, now they can hit on tight ends. Like

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<v Speaker 2>these are not necessarily those types of positions that one

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<v Speaker 2>Boston fan he asks, well, we finally beat the Dolphins

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<v Speaker 2>this season after all their moves. Can't remember the last

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<v Speaker 2>time we beat them. So they beat the Dolphins at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of twenty twenty two. We talked about this

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<v Speaker 2>on last week's show. It was a Scoop Huntley Tyler,

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<v Speaker 2>what's there? Skyler Thompson Scoot Huntley game. It wasn't scoop

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<v Speaker 2>or snoop snoop Puntley. I thank you, Snoop Huntly game.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a too a game. But the Dolphins have beaten

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<v Speaker 2>the Patriots eight out of the last nine, and we

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<v Speaker 2>know that Tua has their number. Do they finally beat

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<v Speaker 2>the Tua Dolphins this year?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that Tua has their number so much

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<v Speaker 3>as the defense did. Like the Dolphins haven't scored a

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<v Speaker 3>ton of points in a lot of these games. They

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<v Speaker 3>scored timely touchdowns. You go back to the open up

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<v Speaker 3>one last year except for one last year. But like

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<v Speaker 3>the I remember crunching the numbers before the first game

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<v Speaker 3>last year, so maybe last year changed it. But the

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<v Speaker 3>Dolphins were scoring like below average against the Patriots. But

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<v Speaker 3>the Patriots offense was just non existent against the Dolphins,

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<v Speaker 3>and obviously some of that goes back to Brian Flores

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<v Speaker 3>who's a great defensive coach. But the Dolphin we talked

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<v Speaker 3>about this in the last show. The Dolphins defenses or

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<v Speaker 3>the Dolphins roster is not good, and the Patriots might

0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.959
<v Speaker 3>have a better roster on paper. You also have the

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<v Speaker 3>benefit of your playing Miami here or there early, here late,

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<v Speaker 3>both of which should be advantageous to the Patriots.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>It is set up for them to at least split

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<v Speaker 3>with Miami this year.

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<v Speaker 2>The Miami game in Week two in Miami scares me

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<v Speaker 2>always will A. That's just a house of horrors for

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<v Speaker 2>the Patriots. Yeah, B it's terrible weather to hit Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it's gonna bee hundred degrees. It's gonna be Miami

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<v Speaker 2>hot down there. And one of the things I give

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<v Speaker 2>the Dolphins a lot of credit for this. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>give the Dolphins credit often, but them putting the road

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<v Speaker 2>team in the sun when the home team sideline has

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<v Speaker 2>the shade, very very smart. So it's hot as balls

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<v Speaker 2>down there. So we're in the side like like we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna shut the ac off and turn the hot water

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<v Speaker 2>off in the road team locker room. Uh, it's good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>The Dolphins Week two of the season two is probably

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<v Speaker 2>gonna play by the end of the season. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's gonna be the quarterback right week two.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel pretty good about Tua being the quarterback for

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<v Speaker 2>the Dolphins, so that game worries me a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But the one here at the end of the season,

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<v Speaker 2>you would like to think the Patriots, that's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>where they're gonna find their stride and they're gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>a second half team this year. We don't know what's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen with Miami. That could go upside down. And

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<v Speaker 2>then two, it might not be the quarterback, so if

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<v Speaker 2>he's hurt, so I like them winning the game here

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<v Speaker 2>later on in the year. Uh. This is from Jeremiah

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<v Speaker 2>He Jeremiah Vasquez. He asked in y'all's opinion, what does

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<v Speaker 2>a successful rookie season look like for Will Campbell?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? I mean baseline, he stays at left tackle. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>city doesn't look like out over work. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>starting caliber left tackle. Yeah, to put a number on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even I don't think. I don't think there

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be a number. I think starting caliber left

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<v Speaker 2>tackle looks the part.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what it's successful season is rookie season is

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<v Speaker 3>for Will Campbell. We're not talking about Will Campbell. Could

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<v Speaker 3>that's a success. The less we say his name this year,

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<v Speaker 3>the better. If we get to the end of the

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<v Speaker 3>year and we're like, yeah, well Campbell was pretty good,

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't really have to talk about him much like

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<v Speaker 3>that would be great. I would love to not have

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about Will Campbell this year. You know, offense

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<v Speaker 3>to Will Campbell, but like you know, if he's if

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<v Speaker 3>he's a stud, you know, I'm going to talk about him.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true this show, we'll talk about him. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>say we will talk about him.

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<v Speaker 2>See that? Did you see that poll?

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<v Speaker 3>A successful season is ninety eight five? Is not talking

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<v Speaker 3>about Will Campbell.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, good way to put it. I would

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<v Speaker 2>also just the one number that I would like to

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<v Speaker 2>see for Will campbeill be respectable as penalties. He did

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<v Speaker 2>have some issues at LSU with fall Stars, so.

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<v Speaker 3>That was really just last year. Wasn't a problem his

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<v Speaker 3>first two years.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not like, it's not a it's a small

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<v Speaker 2>seat concern, right, It's that it's not a big seat concern.

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<v Speaker 2>But I I don't know if I have a number

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<v Speaker 2>in mind for sacks because that's so subjective. It depends

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<v Speaker 2>on the matchup, it depends on this game script, like

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff. It's hard to say. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but in terms of penalties, that's a controllable, like he

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<v Speaker 2>can control.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting that they have a gauntlet of pass rushers at

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<v Speaker 3>the gate. It's gonna be Max Crosby.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who typically does Those two guys typically line up

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<v Speaker 2>over the right side. But maybe because the rookies.

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<v Speaker 3>I would think if any coach worthy, dam's gonna hunt them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know anyways that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll be Carrol, I'll get Pee Caroll. No, it's

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<v Speaker 3>Pete Carroll and Mike Tomlin. Don't figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there were not. They're great leaders, great,

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<v Speaker 2>great Raw Raw guys. You know how I feel about

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<v Speaker 2>the Raw Rock guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>What are your This is from Jason m longtime listener.

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<v Speaker 2>What are your favorite prospects coming into the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five college football season. This is a big barth question.

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<v Speaker 3>My favorite prospect So we talked about one guy a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit last week, and that's Jordan Tyson, the wide

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<v Speaker 3>receiver from Arizona. Yep, I know Arizona State.

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<v Speaker 2>You keep on trying to get me to watch him.

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<v Speaker 3>So, first of all, not to kill Harry. Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not doing that this year. I know he went

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<v Speaker 3>to Arizona State. I know that's where na Kiel Harry went. Brandon,

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<v Speaker 3>now you went there too. I'm not doing that. I

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<v Speaker 3>really like Jordan Tyson. There's a couple pass rushers I

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<v Speaker 3>like in this draft, and he Dennis Sutton from Penn State. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I'm not I was saying to somebody

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<v Speaker 3>the other day. I'm not really at the stage where

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<v Speaker 3>it's like I'm having like these hard hitting draft takes.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of just that boy nice at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>One guy I am really looking forward to watching. Oddly,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm gonna be big Arizona State guy this year.

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<v Speaker 3>Forks up Sam Levitt from Arizona State. Their quarterback isn't

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<v Speaker 3>getting nearly enough attention. We've talked about this before. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not a big believer in Arch Manning. I'm not a

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<v Speaker 3>big believer in Kate Clubnick. I'm not a big believer

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<v Speaker 3>in Garrett nuss Meyer. I'm not a big believer in

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<v Speaker 3>Drew Aller. These are a lot of the top, not

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<v Speaker 3>all but a lot of the top rank quarterbacks in

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<v Speaker 3>this draft. I think Sam Levitt could surprise a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people this year. Could He's young, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 3>relatively raw. Last year he made some plays, but the

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<v Speaker 3>youth is a parent. But that Arizona State team and

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan Tyson's young too. Jordan Tyson's gonna be I think

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<v Speaker 3>a red yard sophomore. So I'm really excited. There's some

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<v Speaker 3>potentially really fun players on that team. So I get

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I guess just Arizona State.

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<v Speaker 2>So I hope the Patriots aren't drafting high enough to

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<v Speaker 2>draft Caden Proctor. But that guy's a stud.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's But here's the thing, Francis Moigoa, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it is in Spencer Finot. The next two tackles in

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<v Speaker 3>the draft both right tackles.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's a good segue because our.

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<v Speaker 3>Next way, I got one more.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, we got Caleb down. Okay, fine, but we

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<v Speaker 2>gotta go fast camp down. We're already twenty minutes and

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<v Speaker 2>we've answered like three questions. This next question it goes

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<v Speaker 2>with that last point you were just making. You probably

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<v Speaker 2>recognize this account. Boom eight zero five one seven asks

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<v Speaker 2>do we have a future starting right tackle on our

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<v Speaker 2>roster at the moment? Really curious how you think they

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<v Speaker 2>view Caden Wallace. I love this question because the answer

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<v Speaker 2>today as we record this on July second, is no.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe that they have a starting right tackle

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<v Speaker 2>on this roster of the future. Morgan Moses is the

0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five starter. But of the future. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean it can't be Caden Wallace. He just has to

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<v Speaker 2>show it, like he hasn't proved that to me yet.

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<v Speaker 2>So to your point, is there a world and I

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<v Speaker 2>know it would be somewhat unfortunate to use back to

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<v Speaker 2>back first round picks on tackles, but is there a

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<v Speaker 2>world where Will Campbell looks the part at left tackle?

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<v Speaker 2>We feel really good about that. So then you draft

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<v Speaker 2>a college right tackle to play right tackle in the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL with a high draft pick.

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<v Speaker 3>It's absolutely a possibility. I mean, we'll see what happens

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<v Speaker 3>with Kayden Wallace, We'll see what happens with the draft

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<v Speaker 3>where they're picking. I'm not gonna sit here and tell

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<v Speaker 3>you that's what's gonna happen. I don't know that it

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<v Speaker 3>would be the worst thing in the world. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>have your quarterback, both tackles on rookie deals, they're all

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<v Speaker 3>growing together. Like I'd be into that. We'll say, but

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<v Speaker 3>if Cayden Wallace works out, great, that's one less need.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously you'd rather fill it in house. But if they

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<v Speaker 3>have to go into the draft to get a right tackle,

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't have a problem with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I really think that Caiden Wallace has an NFL future.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't know if it's starting caliber future, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's at tackle. It might be

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<v Speaker 2>a starting caliber guard. And so with Kayden Wallace, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really curious to see him in camp. I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>looking hard at Kayden Wallace in training camp and hoping

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<v Speaker 2>it works out. So that's that's from Boom. From Jeff,

0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.720
<v Speaker 2>he asks everyone uses the Cam Newton offense when describing

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<v Speaker 2>how McDaniels uses will use May. I know May is

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<v Speaker 2>a way more talented player, but could it approach? Could

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<v Speaker 2>it be more like the Matt Castle offense in two

0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.240
<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight? So I was in high school. We

0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.240
<v Speaker 2>were in high school in two thousand and eight, So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I'm not going to sit here and pretend

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<v Speaker 2>to know the ins and outs of the scheme that

0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.320
<v Speaker 2>they were running from Matt Castle in two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do remember that they ran Matt Castle a

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<v Speaker 2>decent amount comparatively speaking, obviously compared to Brady. I could

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<v Speaker 2>see it. But I think with Drake May he has

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<v Speaker 2>so much more arm talent than Matt Castle did that

0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.240
<v Speaker 2>there's more, there's more available that you can order on

0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.520
<v Speaker 2>the menu with Drake May than with Matt Castle in

0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.040
<v Speaker 2>the passing game, So I could maybe see where he's

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<v Speaker 2>coming from in terms of the amount of true runs

0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.480
<v Speaker 2>like design runs like it's not going to be Cam Newton.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not going to design run the ball one hundred

0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.680
<v Speaker 2>times like Cam did in twenty twenty. So I could

0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.160
<v Speaker 2>see where he's coming from. But I don't remember Matt

0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Castle running read option, like I don't really think that

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<v Speaker 2>was a big thing in the NFL to begin with

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<v Speaker 2>back then, and I don't really remember him doing it

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<v Speaker 2>a ton from what I'm watching as a fan back then,

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not a I could see where he's coming

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<v Speaker 2>from because maybe the skill sets are a little bit

0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.840
<v Speaker 2>more apples to apples, where Cam was a two hundred

0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.640
<v Speaker 2>and fifty pounds battering ram like body type wise, Drake

0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:05.920
<v Speaker 2>may is probably a little closer to Matt Castle, even

0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:06.639
<v Speaker 2>though he's more talented.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a serious coming from it's gonna be its own thing.

0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.200
<v Speaker 3>I think it's really just gonna be its own thing.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Uh. Jason asks, what is a realistic, realistic

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<v Speaker 2>floor or ceiling for this team in terms of wins?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this is a popular question. Hype has

0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:23.960
<v Speaker 2>people putting them at like twelve wins and I just

0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:25.760
<v Speaker 2>can't believe that. So what's your floor and ceiling for

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<v Speaker 2>this team?

0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the ceiling if everything goes right. Will Campbell

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<v Speaker 3>justifies that pick. He's a Pro Bowl caliber tackle. Stefan

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<v Speaker 3>Diggs is fully healthy, He's a thousand yard receiver. Duggar

0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Pepper's both fully healthy. They bounce back, you know, for

0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:41.600
<v Speaker 3>the there's gonna be injuries for the most part, they

0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.160
<v Speaker 3>stay healthy. That's the core al year with Mondrie Stevenson

0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:48.960
<v Speaker 3>gets back in shape. So your ceiling, yeah, twelve thirteen wins? Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 3>If everything I mean, if everything goes right on defense,

0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:53.760
<v Speaker 3>there are top five defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what's your floor?

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<v Speaker 3>Five six wins?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? So I'm with you on the floor. I still

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<v Speaker 2>I could still see a world because remember they went

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<v Speaker 2>four games last year. Yeah, so even if they are

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<v Speaker 2>at like six or seven wins, I know it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the improvement that everybody wants, but depending on how it

0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:10.640
<v Speaker 2>looks like, it still could be an improvement.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so here's my thing. They have ten games on

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<v Speaker 3>their schedule that they should win.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that they now I would say they're ceiling is

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<v Speaker 2>ten or eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, okay, but here's the think they have ten on

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<v Speaker 3>their schedule they should win. They had six or seven

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<v Speaker 3>on their schedule last year that they should have won

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<v Speaker 3>at this time, and they won really three throwing out

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<v Speaker 3>Week eighteen. Right, So it goes back to what Mike

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<v Speaker 3>Vrabel said. It is introductory press conference. They need be

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<v Speaker 3>good enough take advantage of bad football. If you want

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<v Speaker 3>to talk true ceiling, best case scenario, that means winning

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<v Speaker 3>all the games you should win and stealing one or

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<v Speaker 3>two you probably shouldn't. That's how I get to twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went to I have more around ten or

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<v Speaker 2>eleven because I think some of those games that we

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<v Speaker 2>think on paper right now that they should win are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna flip, and then some of the other games that

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<v Speaker 2>we think are not are going to flip the other

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<v Speaker 2>one game balances out to around ten or eleven games.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, but that's not a ceiling.

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:08.399
<v Speaker 2>That's my ceiling.

0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:10.840
<v Speaker 3>But that's not a like a ceiling is like everything

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<v Speaker 3>best case.

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<v Speaker 2>The ceilings they win the super Bowl, if we want

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<v Speaker 2>to go that, I guess like realistic ceiling. I think

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<v Speaker 2>eleven wins is asking a lot. That's almost three times

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<v Speaker 2>as if they won.

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<v Speaker 3>Every single thing goes their way, they can win twelve games. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you're right every single well, but it's not

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<v Speaker 3>because that's not how life works.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Alexander asks, what's something you want Drake May to

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<v Speaker 2>get better at? Like, what's one individual thing? So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 3>What else did you think I was going to know? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, but specifically to not turning the ball

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<v Speaker 2>over fumbles? Yeah, that's a good strip sacks, Like if

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:45.920
<v Speaker 2>they can eliminate the strip sacks. You got to live

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<v Speaker 2>with some of the picks because he's a gunslinger and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to take away that aggressiveness from his game.

0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:56.600
<v Speaker 2>But protecting the football, not fumbling the ball on strip sacks,

0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Like if you can just protect the football a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit better in the pocket and that's gonna go a

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<v Speaker 2>long way to cutting down the overall turnover number, which

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<v Speaker 2>is what we're really getting at here. Uh V he asks, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a good one, Like this is my favorite one.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy watching you guys have arguments about analytics. Not

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:18.639
<v Speaker 2>everybody does. Yeah, I'm I'm glad that V enjoys it.

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<v Speaker 2>What are your top three to five favorite metrics? Like

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<v Speaker 2>he's talking to me, of course, give an explainer of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and does Alex agree with your usage? Why or why not? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not gonna give a full in depth explainer

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to beat a dead horse.

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<v Speaker 3>E p A, DVA and expected something or other.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you're two out of three, I'm gonna give three.

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<v Speaker 2>E p A yeah, which I think is the best

0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:42.640
<v Speaker 2>stat we have in football. Yeah, DVA also really good.

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:47.080
<v Speaker 2>E p A to me, measures better which offenses are

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<v Speaker 2>more dangerous, like more explosive? What's more volatile? Like whether

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<v Speaker 2>more explosive or more detrimental?

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<v Speaker 3>You can win games being explosive on offense, you definitely

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<v Speaker 3>can't check your way out.

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<v Speaker 2>So to me, I look at it like it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just explosive, it's like which offense would you fear the most?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's exploit you talked about last week. It's exclosive

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 3>which offense would you fear the most? Versus which offenses

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<v Speaker 3>actively lose themselves points by like turning the ball over

0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 3>in negative plays and things like that. We have stats

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 3>for those. They're called turnovers and negative plays DVA.

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<v Speaker 2>I love for consistency, like who's the most play to

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<v Speaker 2>play efficient consistent football teams.

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<v Speaker 3>With the secret formula?

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<v Speaker 2>And then my last one is QBR, which I think

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:29.080
<v Speaker 2>ESPN's QBR right now, to me is the best quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>metric we have.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that another secret formula one?

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<v Speaker 2>It might be, yeah, okay, but it's the best in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of measuring quarterback efficiency. This is production bas This

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<v Speaker 2>isn't fugazi expected things that you hate. This is what

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<v Speaker 2>did they do on the field production wise.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't tell me exactly what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>No, But the thing that I like so much about

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:54.680
<v Speaker 2>QBR is that it also factors in rushing for quarterbacks,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think if you're going to tell the full

0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 2>story of the quarterback in twenty twenty five, you have

0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 2>to include scramble yards, design runs, rushing, touch I'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Say this, I add quarterback rating, not QBR, like old

0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:11.880
<v Speaker 3>school quarterback rating antiquated and is a definitive number. There's

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 3>no expected it's stupid, it's random. I will stand with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like quarterback rating, minor points, score, points allowed,

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<v Speaker 3>turnover margin. I'll tell you which teams are good, which

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 3>teams are bad. You show me those three things. H

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<v Speaker 3>point different let me do this, point differential, turnover margin,

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<v Speaker 3>third down conversion differential.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't you show me those three things. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you which I don't hate it. I don't hate

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<v Speaker 2>those necessarily. I love QBR. I think QBR is a

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<v Speaker 2>great sat. I also love the fact that QBR is

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<v Speaker 2>on a zero to one hundred scale that's based off

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<v Speaker 2>of win probability. So like, if you have a quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>that has a seventy QBR, you are expected to win

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<v Speaker 2>seventy percent of those games.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that word.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great way to uh encapsulate quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>on field quarterback production, actual yards and touchdowns made by

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<v Speaker 2>your quarterback, and suffice the QB wins crowd at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time. Right, So if I, if it was up

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<v Speaker 2>to me, we would throw away antiquated passer rating. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think anybody really uses pass I would never see

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<v Speaker 2>passer rating in an NFL box score ever. Again, do

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<v Speaker 2>you still see it in box scores?

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<v Speaker 3>And we would only be using the ESPN box score

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 3>uses QBR their stats the better stats. I don't need either.

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<v Speaker 2>Room all right, quick asks, as the team is currently

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<v Speaker 2>constructed and realizing you're building roster, will take a few drafts.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you see Rabel and company using more high round

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 2>draft picks to rebuild the old line? So we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of answered this question already. I could definitely see that.

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 2>I think that they're gonna want to build from the inside.

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<v Speaker 3>They're gonna they're gonna make that a priority.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right. I hear a lot of they only won

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<v Speaker 2>four games last year, as from Will, why is there

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 2>so much comparison to last year's team? And besides like

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 2>twelve stars being between offense and defense, this team is

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 2>drastically different. So the fair point, I think the reason

0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 2>why there's so much comparison is just it doesn't it

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<v Speaker 2>does happened that, oh, you know, one or two teams

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<v Speaker 2>a year ago, from Worris to first. We know that

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots are definitely, possibly could do that. But there's

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 2>also the opposite, which is like a cyclical level of

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 2>losing where you see the same you know, the the Jaguars,

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 2>the Browns, the Titans, like these teams have been drafting

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 2>in the top five. It feels like for like ten years, right. Yeah,

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe not the Titans because you know, if Rabel was there,

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.920
<v Speaker 2>but recently with the Titans. So I think that that's

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, the difference there. But it's a fair point.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't I don't really have a great rebuttal to that,

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.359
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a It's a different team, there's no

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 2>doubt about that. Colin. He asks, what are three things

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<v Speaker 2>you're most excited to watch in training camp?

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<v Speaker 3>Three things? Well, we got to talk about Drake May.

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<v Speaker 3>See the defensive scheme and I guess see, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how much we'll see if Diggs, but see where

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<v Speaker 3>Diggs is at.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with that, Drake May. I would say

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 2>it's hard with the offensive line and defensive lines. But

0:27:56.720 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Drake May whoever goes up against Christian Zales? Could any

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 2>receiver beat Christian Zales consistently in training camp? Because then

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 2>I might feel good about that receiver, Like if it's

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:11.959
<v Speaker 2>Keishan Boodie, if it's Kyle Williams, if it's Stefon Diggs,

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 2>if that is like a true toe to toe, iron

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 2>sharpening iron type of matchup, will be excited about that.

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:22.159
<v Speaker 2>In the offensive line, Drake made receiver, offensive line shocker?

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Who will be this from Sasha? Who will be the

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<v Speaker 2>starting left guard to open camp? I'm saying col strange.

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying col strange from Tim. Do you think the

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<v Speaker 2>Patriots offense will have a better year than the Dolphins offense? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say no. I still think the Dolphins have

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>too much skill talent, like a hill waddle they're running.

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Who's not gonna play the full season? The line's bad.

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 3>The Dolphins offense will have higher highs over the course

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 3>of seventeen games. Which unit will be better the Patriots?

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Dolphins offense with two is still going

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 2>to be a really good offense.

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 3>How many games are going to do ten? The Dolphins

0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 3>seems to be the number all the time. Who averages

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 3>more points per game? Well, it'll be the Dolphins because

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 3>they'll have one game. Will they randomly score fifty?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Probably Dolphins are gonna have games where

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna be like like they were last year when

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 2>they played the Patriots. Like they're gonna have games where

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>they're knife hot, knife through, but.

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 3>They're also gonna have gas where they can't. It'll be cold.

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 3>They'll be playing a team over five hundred, theyll struggle

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 3>to put up fourteen points. Fair enough, You're probably right

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 3>they'll be The Dolphins offense is much more volatile, and

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate consistency, So I'll take the Patriots.

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Drew asks. Christian Gonzales took the leap last year to

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<v Speaker 2>all Pro caliber player. Who do do you who do

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<v Speaker 2>you think will be the player to make that jump

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<v Speaker 2>this year?

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<v Speaker 3>Wait?

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Say that again, who do you think the player would

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<v Speaker 2>make the jump this year? Like a Christian Zales esque

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>jump like Gonzales front from rookie good rookie to all.

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 3>Pro Keon White. I just I just think this defense

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 3>suits him so well. It's it's such a great spot

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 3>for him, It's a good coaching staff for him. You know,

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 3>there's gonna be a lot of attention on the in

0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 3>the middle to Milton Williams and Christian Barmore. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>freem up, you know, will he be at the level

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 3>that Gonzales is relative to position. I don't know about that,

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 3>but you know, could key On White flirt with double

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 3>digit sacks this year? I could see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Karen White is the right answer. It's a good answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if like all pro's not gonna happen.

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know that he's gonna do it.

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Yah, I'm saying that about my answer, but I think

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 2>the same thing.

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:22.480
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I don't know that he'll do it to

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<v Speaker 3>the extent that Christian Gonzalez did, but like he could,

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<v Speaker 3>I think he'll go to another level.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there another love for Tomorrow Douglas.

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean he's just already pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>That one stands out to me just I was tempted.

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 2>There's still some trade chatter out there from our colleagues

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 2>on the beat. I saw Greg Bdard said that, you know,

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.120
<v Speaker 2>he was one of the guys he listed his potential

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>trades out of that winer.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't love that.

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 2>I just don't see that. I don't see it. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying that the reporting is wrong.

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 3>I know that's the guy would hold on to. I

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 3>think he's a good player.

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 2>This is a cool question from Elliott who is your

0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 2>favorite Patriot player that didn't get enough recognition? He says

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>his is Kyle van Noy.

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 3>That's a good one.

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Here's Larry Centers.

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 3>But like Larry Centers, it's think Larry Center should be

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<v Speaker 3>in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, but he by the

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:11.479
<v Speaker 3>time he got to the Patriots, that was like the end.

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm like somebody who didn't get enough credit with the Patriots.

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 3>Where do I start? You know the guy that I've

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 3>always said that they've they've been chasing this guy since

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 3>he left, Adrian Waddle. L Adrian Waddle was a true

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 3>swing tackle at a time they needed one. They've been

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 3>fighting tackle.

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Disrespect. But Adrian Waddle is your answer.

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 3>How many times does this team needed a serviceable swing

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 3>tackle in the last five years and he wasn't here.

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 3>Now he I think he had a career any injury

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 3>after he left. He's not playing anymore. But I remember

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 3>saying to you that next year when he left, we

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 3>were talking in the locker room and saying they missed

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 3>la Adrian Waddle, and you were like, that's crazy, but

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 3>it's true. I don't know why he's the first name

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 3>who came to mind. There's probably a better answer. Martella's

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Bennett would be one super underrated Patriot. Loved having him here.

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 3>But I was just talking to somebody about this the

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 3>other day. They sneaky missed Ladrey and Wada when they

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 3>moved on. I bet I can think of it.

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 2>So my biggest one, I don't know if he didn't

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 2>get enough recognition, but I don't think he got as

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 2>much high was Trey Flowers. Trey Flowers at his peak

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 2>with the Patriots was a darn good pass rushing. He

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 2>was really good. He's versatile, rush out on the edge,

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 2>you could rush over the center. He was like dynamite rushing.

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Made me think of a couple. And maybe it's just

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 3>because this defense was so loaded. There were so many

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 3>dudes on that defense. Alan Branch was a really good

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 3>player and he was playing next Evince, and he kind

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 3>of came here late in his career, so I get

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 3>what I came.

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Hicks were kind of like ones that got away a

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 2>little bit, like especially Hicks. Well Hicks Hicks went, but

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>that was like a scheme change.

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 3>Alan Branch came here when people thought his career was over.

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it wasn't.

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't.

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Uncle Phil's nickname.

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because he looks like and he kind of turned around.

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 3>And then also from that defense, Kyle Arrington because he

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 3>got followed by Jonathan Jones, who's obviously been this incredible Patriot,

0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 3>But Kyle Arrington was going, I'm trying to think back

0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 3>to like the earlier, earlier teams.

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Earlier teams like a lot of not not that they

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have, but a lot of those early Patriots teams.

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 2>All those guys got loved, I know, which they should have.

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm not saying it shouldn't have.

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't like Roman Fifer Roman fight.

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 2>So what was I watching? Maybe it was just on Twitter?

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>And then we got to move on from this question,

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 2>but always do the rest to show on this they

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>were naming I want it was one of the early

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 2>two thousands defenses two thousand and one, three or four,

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 2>and they just I think it was four because I

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 2>think Vince was was already on the team.

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it would have been four.

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Seymour, will Fork Warren.

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 2>And then when they got and I was like, okay, yeah,

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>it's stack dye line. Then they get to the linebackers

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 2>and they go Willie McGinnis to usc Teddy Bruski, Yeah, Arizona,

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Roman Fifer, Mike Rabel, and I was just like, holy crap, Like,

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 2>how is this not talked about? Is like one of

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 2>the best linebacker rooms of the two thousands, So this

0:33:58.280 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 2>is insane.

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 3>I kind of him or I'll just bring this up

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 3>because we're in this conversation. I'm working on something with

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 3>Matt Doloff over at the Sports Hub. It actually might

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 3>be up by the time people see this. We haven't

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 3>recorded it yet, but again recording this show early. We

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of want to do like an all sports sub

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 3>Patriots team. So the sports Sub started in two thousand

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.880
<v Speaker 3>and nine, so but I want to do it as

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 3>like a fifty three man roster projection, So maybe not

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.479
<v Speaker 3>the fifty three best players, but build out the roster.

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Here's who I have to choose from a corner. This

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 3>is just since two thousand and nine.

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, herr Yeah, because we're trying to keep this shorter.

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Steph Gilmore, Malcolm Butler, Jonathan Jones, j C. Jackson, Christian

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Zalez and keep to leave Drell Reeves, Jason mccordy, Kyle Arrington,

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Jonathan Jones. It's tough group that's insane.

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:43.879
<v Speaker 2>So we're talking to you're taking two.

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:46.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, no, it's gonna be a fifth. We're gonna build

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:47.839
<v Speaker 3>like a fifty three man, so you can have as

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 3>many as like five. So yeah, we'll probably have two

0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 3>boundary guys, two slot guys, and then a tweener. So

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 3>like Gilmour is obviously on, I.

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Think Gilmore Revis to lead law have to be.

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:02.839
<v Speaker 3>Hon It's all sports ups. So two thousand and nine,

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 3>so those three, those are the four. But okay, but

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 3>like here's the thing, how do you weigh one year

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 3>of Darrell Revis versus like Jonathan Jones was here for

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 3>a decade and was really well, Johnthan Jones might be

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 3>your slot corner, that's true. One year of Revis versus

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 3>four years of Malcolm Butler who also had to pick

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:25.919
<v Speaker 3>in Super Bowl forty nine. Me and me and Matt

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 3>are going to do this on a podcast. But that

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 3>what an insane run? Like Christian Zhaus at the bottom

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 3>of this list. Yeah, he's the last guy I put

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 3>on there. He's an all pro insane run.

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So moving on, Rick asks, currently, I see the

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Patriots top five wy receivers as Digs, Pop, Booty, Williams, Boorn,

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:47.719
<v Speaker 2>to me, Digs and Williams are the only locks. My

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 2>question is do you trade Bourne to give Baker more

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 2>reps in preseason to see what they can do? So basically,

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 2>do you trade Kennrin Bourne.

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't. I also don't. If you'd want those two

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 3>guys to get reps, you can give him reps. I

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 3>don't think you need a trade anybody. These people forget

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:03.759
<v Speaker 3>how long these preseason games are. Yeah, like you can

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 3>get them reps. I wouldn't trade Kendrick Bourne unless it's

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 3>in like we talked about last week, one of those

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 3>deals where all right, you know Terry McLaurin for a

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 3>second and born right, I would do that, But I'm

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 3>not rushing Kendrick Bourne out the door. He has chemistry

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 3>with Drake May, he has experience in Josh McDaniel's offense.

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.239
<v Speaker 3>He's another year removed from that torn ACL so I

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.320
<v Speaker 3>think he's gonna move a little bit better. I wouldn't

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 3>rush him out the door. And he's more proven, and

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 3>they need some proven commodities, even if it's not proven

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 3>at a high level. They need some guys who you

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:33.839
<v Speaker 3>kind of just know what you're getting out of. That's

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 3>definitely not Polkin Baker.

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fair, all right. Tammy asks who hits six

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 2>six hundred and fifty yards from scrimmage first, Travon Henderson

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 2>or Kyle Williams. I'm going Henderson as well. I think

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>that's not really fair, No, because he's running totally differ

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.239
<v Speaker 2>different because Henderson you can force feed the ball. Kyle

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.359
<v Speaker 2>Williams has to get open and catch the ball. Yeah,

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 2>that's very different.

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:59.879
<v Speaker 3>Nothing against Kyle Williams, but that's not it's not the same,

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 3>all right.

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Rick asks after free agency in the draft, which position

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 2>group still is in need of a talent upgrade? So

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 2>my answer to this question is different. Like talent upgrade

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 2>versus which position am I most concerned about, I think

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>are two different things because I don't think you need

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 2>the Zach Martin of left guards, like I don't think

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 2>you need a stud at left guard. But if I

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:23.759
<v Speaker 2>had to say what the biggest hole on the team

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 2>is right now, it's probably left guard just in terms

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.479
<v Speaker 2>of starting caliber player. But the area where I feel

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 2>like they're the most talent deficient might be a little

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 2>bit different than that. I would say talent deficient. I

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:40.640
<v Speaker 2>would more lean towards either receiver or edge rusher. I'm

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 2>with you, But in terms of where I think the

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 2>biggest hole is, it's still left guard, still the interior

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.959
<v Speaker 2>offensive line. Quick asks, Could the Patriots take a flyer

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 2>on Zadarius Smith, Gabe Davis or Will Hernandez if they

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:55.879
<v Speaker 2>get the veteran manhim, Will Hernandez guard played a little

0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:59.360
<v Speaker 2>bit in the league, was drafted by the Giants. Zadarius Smith.

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I could see it, But like you already have Harold Randrey,

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Harold Landry and Chase On Like those are kind of

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 2>your veteran edge rushers. I don't know if you need

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.919
<v Speaker 2>a third one of those types of guys on the team.

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:12.960
<v Speaker 2>So if I had to guess out of those three,

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 2>I'd say Will Hernandez or just you know, we talked

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 2>about Sheriff last week on the show. Want to say

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.919
<v Speaker 2>Smith had nine sacks last year still, and I think

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 2>he has some between the Packers and Vikings, he must

0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:26.760
<v Speaker 2>have some overlap with the current car Oh and Mike Rablers,

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 2>with Mike Rable and Cleveland for part of last year.

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't hate Sindarius Smith again, You're you're creating a

0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:34.320
<v Speaker 2>little bit of a log jam that might not be

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 2>the worst thing in the world for how they're set

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:37.880
<v Speaker 2>up right now, especially if they're planning on moving on

0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 2>for me Anfredy Jennings, Yeah, I could see that all right.

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Last one here, this is from Matt. How do you

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 2>think all the offensive line offensive mines, excuse me, offensive

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 2>mines in the room? Mesh. So I'm thinking he's talking

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>about the coaching staff. Yeah, there's a lot of guys

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.959
<v Speaker 2>from different backgrounds. How do I think that they're gonna, Mesh.

0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.919
<v Speaker 2>Josh McDaniels is in charge, So I think they're gonna

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 2>as much as I want to have an open mind

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:06.959
<v Speaker 2>and have you know, have McDaniels have an open mind

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 2>and hear out other people and bring in other ideas

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 2>and bring in fresh concepts. At the end of the day,

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:15.439
<v Speaker 2>the way that you, Mesh, is that you recognize as

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 2>a positional coach that the offensive the buck stops with

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>the offensive coordinator. And I think that the onus is

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:24.399
<v Speaker 2>on everybody for that. But I would say that there's

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 2>some bus on the positional coaches, like don't don't overstep,

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 2>like don't don't get too big for your bridges. You know,

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:33.399
<v Speaker 2>you're the quarterbacks coach, you're the tight ends coach, you're

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 2>the receivers coach. You know, just do your job and

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:37.800
<v Speaker 2>I think everything will be fine. But I that's not

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 2>to say live in an echo chamber, right, Like you

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:42.320
<v Speaker 2>want to have those other ideas, but that if you

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:44.400
<v Speaker 2>ask me how they mesh, they meshed by realizing that

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Josh McDaniels is the guy in charge. Yeah, there we go.

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 2>So we did pretty good there. That was pretty rapid fire. Yeah,

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 2>right around forty minutes. So that's the show for this week. Sorry,

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 2>that's a little bit shorter, but I have some big

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 2>things going on, so I think I have a pretty

0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:00.400
<v Speaker 2>good excuse. But Alex and I will be back on

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:02.840
<v Speaker 2>the twenty third, the first day of training camp. I

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 2>can't believe I'm saying that. That's absolutely crazy. So we'll

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 2>be back on Catch twenty two live on Wednesday, the

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty third of July for the very first day of

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Patriots training camp. So thanks so much for watching and listening,

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 2>as you guys always do. Big thanks to all the

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 2>male bag questions as well. Hopefully we got to all

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:23.959
<v Speaker 2>of them and we'll see you guys in a few weeks.

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for watching.

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