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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars from Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, nailed it, Joined us always by our bark.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome into a special pre taped edition

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Speaker 2: of Catch twenty two. If you're wondering why Alex and

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Speaker 2: I are wearing the same exact clothes that we were

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Speaker 2: wearing last week, it's because we pre taped this show,

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Speaker 2: so we are not live. This is us coming to

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Speaker 2: you about a week before I'm about to tie the knot,

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Speaker 2: so I'm going to be off getting married, which is

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Speaker 2: why I Am not going to be here for a

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Speaker 2: live show in our typical spot. But we didn't want

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Speaker 2: to leave you guys completely hanging. We wanted to give

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Speaker 2: you some Patriots content while I am on a vacation

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Speaker 2: on our honeymoon. But Alex, we wanted to do this

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Speaker 2: training camp heavy because when I come back, this.

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Speaker 3: Is our last day is going to be rolling. It's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe summer is already over. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: spend July fourth on the beach, and then I'm getting

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Speaker 2: married and then our honeymoon, and then training camp is

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Speaker 2: right there, so we're we're three weeks away as we

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Speaker 2: tape this from training camp. So before I should say,

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Speaker 2: we also asked for a bunch of male bag questions

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Speaker 2: from you guys on the X machine, and I really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. We got over thirty responses to that tweet

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Speaker 2: that I just tweeted out this morning, so we got

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Speaker 2: a ton of responses. We're gonna go We are terrible

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Speaker 2: at rapid fire, but we're gonna rapid fire through these.

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Speaker 3: Responses here there are, and I'll try to get through

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Speaker 3: all of them as I possibly can't, because we really

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Speaker 3: do appreciate all these questions from you guys.

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Speaker 2: So that's the show today. We're gonna start with the

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Speaker 2: big picture thought from each of us on training camp,

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Speaker 2: and then we're gonna get into your mail bag questions.

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Speaker 2: But let's start there, Bartha, what's on your mind about

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Speaker 2: training camp? Kind of big picture that you're looking forward to.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the two big things, and we

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna put the offensive line to the side, because yes,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna be interesting. How will Campbell looks or he'd

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Speaker 3: really gear up until the preseason, so like just training

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Speaker 3: camp right. The two things one Drake may obviously what

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Speaker 3: does the year two leap look like? Does he look

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Speaker 3: care of the football? Just everything we've talked about Drake

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Speaker 3: made this offseason, all that he had an encouraging rookie

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Speaker 3: we're looking at. The second thing defense Schematically, we have

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Speaker 3: But there still are a few loose odds and ends.

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Speaker 3: How are they gonna use Kyle Dugger and Jabrill Peppers

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Speaker 3: Anthonny Jennings fit in? Where does he fit in? What

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Speaker 2: eye view on it. There's a lot of talk about

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Speaker 2: Drake May his year two leap, what he can do individually,

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Speaker 3: We can there will be early indication.

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Speaker 2: There'll be early indications, and I promise you we will

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Speaker 2: break down every little early indication one way or another.

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Speaker 2: But big picture, my thought is have the Patriots done

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Speaker 2: enough to support Drake May. Do the Patriots have enough

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Speaker 2: Last year, even though he had the flashes, even though

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Speaker 2: around him, the coaching, the infrastructure, personnel wise. Have they

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Speaker 2: Is Mike Rabel and Josh McDaniel's this as of coaching

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Speaker 2: Because I'm of the belief, because you know, I'm a

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Speaker 3: As much on them as it is on him to

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Speaker 3: on paper they did, but it hinges on Will Campbell

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Speaker 3: I think May's in a really good spot. If neither

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Speaker 2: I just feel as though there's been a lot of

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Speaker 2: or two leap, about him individually succeeding, and him is succeeding.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the only other thing I hear frequently about that

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Speaker 2: But to me, making a quarterback work is an organizational thing. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's a top down organizational thing. Are you doing all

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Speaker 2: of making your quarterback succeed. It's not just enough for

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Speaker 2: Drake May to be good on his own vacuum. It's

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Speaker 2: not good enough for him to have a good play

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Speaker 2: just have to see it. We have to see it now,

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Speaker 2: some of these win totals we hear ten and eleven,

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Speaker 2: not going to just be Drake May. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be all of it. All of it's going to be better.

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Speaker 2: The defense is going to be better, the offensive line

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Speaker 2: Let's get to your questions here. Start here with Andrew.

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Speaker 3: I'll go back to old reliable deep safety, real free safety.

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Speaker 2: these are not necessarily those types of positions that one

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Speaker 2: Boston fan he asks, well, we finally beat the Dolphins

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Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty two. We talked about this

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll be Carrol, I'll get Pee Caroll. No, it's

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Speaker 2: You keep on trying to get me to watch him.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely a possibility. I mean, we'll see what happens

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a serious coming from it's gonna be its own thing.

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Speaker 3: Diggs is fully healthy, He's a thousand yard receiver. Duggar

433
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Speaker 3: Pepper's both fully healthy. They bounce back, you know, for

434
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Speaker 3: the there's gonna be injuries for the most part, they

435
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Speaker 3: stay healthy. That's the core al year with Mondrie Stevenson

436
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Speaker 3: gets back in shape. So your ceiling, yeah, twelve thirteen wins? Wow?

437
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Speaker 2: Really?

438
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Speaker 3: If everything I mean, if everything goes right on defense,

439
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Speaker 3: there are top five defense.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's your floor?

441
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Speaker 3: Five six wins?

442
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Speaker 2: Right? So I'm with you on the floor. I still

443
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Speaker 2: I could still see a world because remember they went

444
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Speaker 2: four games last year. Yeah, so even if they are

445
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Speaker 2: at like six or seven wins, I know it's not

446
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Speaker 2: the improvement that everybody wants, but depending on how it

447
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Speaker 2: looks like, it still could be an improvement.

448
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Speaker 3: Well, so here's my thing. They have ten games on

449
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Speaker 3: their schedule that they should win.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah that they now I would say they're ceiling is

451
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Speaker 2: ten or eleven.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, but here's the think they have ten on

453
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Speaker 3: their schedule they should win. They had six or seven

454
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Speaker 3: on their schedule last year that they should have won

455
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Speaker 3: at this time, and they won really three throwing out

456
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Speaker 3: Week eighteen. Right, So it goes back to what Mike

457
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Speaker 3: Vrabel said. It is introductory press conference. They need be

458
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Speaker 3: good enough take advantage of bad football. If you want

459
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Speaker 3: to talk true ceiling, best case scenario, that means winning

460
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Speaker 3: all the games you should win and stealing one or

461
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Speaker 3: two you probably shouldn't. That's how I get to twelve.

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Speaker 2: So I went to I have more around ten or

463
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Speaker 2: eleven because I think some of those games that we

464
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Speaker 2: think on paper right now that they should win are

465
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Speaker 2: gonna flip, and then some of the other games that

466
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Speaker 2: we think are not are going to flip the other

467
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Speaker 2: one game balances out to around ten or eleven games.

468
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, but that's not a ceiling.

469
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Speaker 2: That's my ceiling.

470
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Speaker 3: But that's not a like a ceiling is like everything

471
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Speaker 3: best case.

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Speaker 2: The ceilings they win the super Bowl, if we want

473
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Speaker 2: to go that, I guess like realistic ceiling. I think

474
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Speaker 2: eleven wins is asking a lot. That's almost three times

475
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Speaker 2: as if they won.

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Speaker 3: Every single thing goes their way, they can win twelve games. Wow,

477
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Speaker 3: I hope you're right every single well, but it's not

478
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Speaker 3: because that's not how life works.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Alexander asks, what's something you want Drake May to

480
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Speaker 2: get better at? Like, what's one individual thing? So I'm

481
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Speaker 2: with you.

482
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Speaker 3: What else did you think I was going to know? Now?

483
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Speaker 2: I would say, but specifically to not turning the ball

484
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Speaker 2: over fumbles? Yeah, that's a good strip sacks, Like if

485
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Speaker 2: they can eliminate the strip sacks. You got to live

486
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Speaker 2: with some of the picks because he's a gunslinger and

487
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Speaker 2: you don't want to take away that aggressiveness from his game.

488
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Speaker 2: But protecting the football, not fumbling the ball on strip sacks,

489
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Speaker 2: Like if you can just protect the football a little

490
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Speaker 2: bit better in the pocket and that's gonna go a

491
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Speaker 2: long way to cutting down the overall turnover number, which

492
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Speaker 2: is what we're really getting at here. Uh V he asks, uh,

493
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Speaker 2: this is a good one, Like this is my favorite one.

494
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Speaker 2: I enjoy watching you guys have arguments about analytics. Not

495
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Speaker 2: everybody does. Yeah, I'm I'm glad that V enjoys it.

496
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Speaker 2: What are your top three to five favorite metrics? Like

497
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Speaker 2: he's talking to me, of course, give an explainer of them,

498
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Speaker 2: and does Alex agree with your usage? Why or why not? Okay,

499
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Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna give a full in depth explainer

500
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Speaker 2: because I don't want to beat a dead horse.

501
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Speaker 3: E p A, DVA and expected something or other.

502
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're two out of three, I'm gonna give three.

503
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Speaker 2: E p A yeah, which I think is the best

504
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 2: stat we have in football. Yeah, DVA also really good.

505
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: E p A to me, measures better which offenses are

506
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Speaker 2: more dangerous, like more explosive? What's more volatile? Like whether

507
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Speaker 2: more explosive or more detrimental?

508
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Speaker 3: You can win games being explosive on offense, you definitely

509
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Speaker 3: can't check your way out.

510
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Speaker 2: So to me, I look at it like it's not

511
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Speaker 2: just explosive, it's like which offense would you fear the most?

512
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Speaker 3: No, it's exploit you talked about last week. It's exclosive

513
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Speaker 3: which offense would you fear the most? Versus which offenses

514
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Speaker 3: actively lose themselves points by like turning the ball over

515
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Speaker 3: in negative plays and things like that. We have stats

516
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Speaker 3: for those. They're called turnovers and negative plays DVA.

517
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Speaker 2: I love for consistency, like who's the most play to

518
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: play efficient consistent football teams.

519
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Speaker 3: With the secret formula?

520
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Speaker 2: And then my last one is QBR, which I think

521
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Speaker 2: ESPN's QBR right now, to me is the best quarterback

522
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Speaker 2: metric we have.

523
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Speaker 3: Isn't that another secret formula one?

524
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Speaker 2: It might be, yeah, okay, but it's the best in

525
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Speaker 2: terms of measuring quarterback efficiency. This is production bas This

526
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Speaker 2: isn't fugazi expected things that you hate. This is what

527
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Speaker 2: did they do on the field production wise.

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Speaker 3: You can't tell me exactly what it is.

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Speaker 2: No, But the thing that I like so much about

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Speaker 2: QBR is that it also factors in rushing for quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: which I think if you're going to tell the full

532
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Speaker 2: story of the quarterback in twenty twenty five, you have

533
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Speaker 2: to include scramble yards, design runs, rushing, touch I'll.

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Speaker 3: Say this, I add quarterback rating, not QBR, like old

535
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 3: school quarterback rating antiquated and is a definitive number. There's

536
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Speaker 3: no expected it's stupid, it's random. I will stand with you.

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Speaker 3: I don't like quarterback rating, minor points, score, points allowed,

538
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Speaker 3: turnover margin. I'll tell you which teams are good, which

539
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Speaker 3: teams are bad. You show me those three things. H

540
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Speaker 3: point different let me do this, point differential, turnover margin,

541
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Speaker 3: third down conversion differential.

542
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Speaker 2: So I don't you show me those three things. I'll

543
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Speaker 2: tell you which I don't hate it. I don't hate

544
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Speaker 2: those necessarily. I love QBR. I think QBR is a

545
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Speaker 2: great sat. I also love the fact that QBR is

546
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Speaker 2: on a zero to one hundred scale that's based off

547
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Speaker 2: of win probability. So like, if you have a quarterback

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Speaker 2: that has a seventy QBR, you are expected to win

549
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Speaker 2: seventy percent of those games.

550
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Speaker 3: I think that word.

551
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Speaker 2: I think that's a great way to uh encapsulate quarterback

552
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Speaker 2: on field quarterback production, actual yards and touchdowns made by

553
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Speaker 2: your quarterback, and suffice the QB wins crowd at the

554
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Speaker 2: same time. Right, So if I, if it was up

555
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: to me, we would throw away antiquated passer rating. I

556
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: don't think anybody really uses pass I would never see

557
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: passer rating in an NFL box score ever. Again, do

558
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: you still see it in box scores?

559
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Speaker 3: And we would only be using the ESPN box score

560
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: uses QBR their stats the better stats. I don't need either.

561
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Speaker 2: Room all right, quick asks, as the team is currently

562
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Speaker 2: constructed and realizing you're building roster, will take a few drafts.

563
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Speaker 2: Do you see Rabel and company using more high round

564
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Speaker 2: draft picks to rebuild the old line? So we kind

565
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: of answered this question already. I could definitely see that.

566
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Speaker 2: I think that they're gonna want to build from the inside.

567
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Speaker 3: They're gonna they're gonna make that a priority.

568
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Speaker 2: All Right. I hear a lot of they only won

569
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Speaker 2: four games last year, as from Will, why is there

570
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Speaker 2: so much comparison to last year's team? And besides like

571
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Speaker 2: twelve stars being between offense and defense, this team is

572
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Speaker 2: drastically different. So the fair point, I think the reason

573
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Speaker 2: why there's so much comparison is just it doesn't it

574
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Speaker 2: does happened that, oh, you know, one or two teams

575
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Speaker 2: a year ago, from Worris to first. We know that

576
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: the Patriots are definitely, possibly could do that. But there's

577
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Speaker 2: also the opposite, which is like a cyclical level of

578
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 2: losing where you see the same you know, the the Jaguars,

579
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: the Browns, the Titans, like these teams have been drafting

580
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: in the top five. It feels like for like ten years, right. Yeah,

581
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: maybe not the Titans because you know, if Rabel was there,

582
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: but recently with the Titans. So I think that that's

583
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: you know, the difference there. But it's a fair point.

584
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: I can't I don't really have a great rebuttal to that,

585
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: I think that's a It's a different team, there's no

586
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: doubt about that. Colin. He asks, what are three things

587
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: you're most excited to watch in training camp?

588
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 3: Three things? Well, we got to talk about Drake May.

589
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: See the defensive scheme and I guess see, I don't

590
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: know how much we'll see if Diggs, but see where

591
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: Diggs is at.

592
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, Drake May. I would say

593
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: it's hard with the offensive line and defensive lines. But

594
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 2: Drake May whoever goes up against Christian Zales? Could any

595
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: receiver beat Christian Zales consistently in training camp? Because then

596
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: I might feel good about that receiver, Like if it's

597
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 2: Keishan Boodie, if it's Kyle Williams, if it's Stefon Diggs,

598
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: if that is like a true toe to toe, iron

599
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: sharpening iron type of matchup, will be excited about that.

600
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: In the offensive line, Drake made receiver, offensive line shocker?

601
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Speaker 2: Who will be this from Sasha? Who will be the

602
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: starting left guard to open camp? I'm saying col strange.

603
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: I'm saying col strange from Tim. Do you think the

604
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 2: Patriots offense will have a better year than the Dolphins offense? Yes,

605
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no. I still think the Dolphins have

606
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: too much skill talent, like a hill waddle they're running.

607
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: Who's not gonna play the full season? The line's bad.

608
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: The Dolphins offense will have higher highs over the course

609
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Speaker 3: of seventeen games. Which unit will be better the Patriots?

610
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Speaker 2: I think the Dolphins offense with two is still going

611
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: to be a really good offense.

612
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: How many games are going to do ten? The Dolphins

613
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: seems to be the number all the time. Who averages

614
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: more points per game? Well, it'll be the Dolphins because

615
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: they'll have one game. Will they randomly score fifty?

616
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Probably Dolphins are gonna have games where

617
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: they're gonna be like like they were last year when

618
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: they played the Patriots. Like they're gonna have games where

619
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: they're knife hot, knife through, but.

620
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: They're also gonna have gas where they can't. It'll be cold.

621
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Speaker 3: They'll be playing a team over five hundred, theyll struggle

622
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Speaker 3: to put up fourteen points. Fair enough, You're probably right

623
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: they'll be The Dolphins offense is much more volatile, and

624
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Speaker 3: I appreciate consistency, So I'll take the Patriots.

625
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: Drew asks. Christian Gonzales took the leap last year to

626
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Speaker 2: all Pro caliber player. Who do do you who do

627
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Speaker 2: you think will be the player to make that jump

628
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: this year?

629
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: Wait?

630
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: Say that again, who do you think the player would

631
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Speaker 2: make the jump this year? Like a Christian Zales esque

632
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: jump like Gonzales front from rookie good rookie to all.

633
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Speaker 3: Pro Keon White. I just I just think this defense

634
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: suits him so well. It's it's such a great spot

635
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Speaker 3: for him, It's a good coaching staff for him. You know,

636
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a lot of attention on the in

637
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Speaker 3: the middle to Milton Williams and Christian Barmore. It's gonna

638
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: freem up, you know, will he be at the level

639
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: that Gonzales is relative to position. I don't know about that,

640
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: but you know, could key On White flirt with double

641
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: digit sacks this year? I could see it.

642
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Speaker 2: Karen White is the right answer. It's a good answer.

643
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Speaker 2: I don't know if like all pro's not gonna happen.

644
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Speaker 3: So I don't know that he's gonna do it.

645
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: Yah, I'm saying that about my answer, but I think

646
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: the same thing.

647
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know that he'll do it to

648
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: the extent that Christian Gonzalez did, but like he could,

649
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Speaker 3: I think he'll go to another level.

650
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: Is there another love for Tomorrow Douglas.

651
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's just already pretty cool.

652
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: That one stands out to me just I was tempted.

653
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: There's still some trade chatter out there from our colleagues

654
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: on the beat. I saw Greg Bdard said that, you know,

655
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: he was one of the guys he listed his potential

656
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: trades out of that winer.

657
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: They don't love that.

658
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: I just don't see that. I don't see it. I'm

659
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: not saying that the reporting is wrong.

660
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: I know that's the guy would hold on to. I

661
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: think he's a good player.

662
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: This is a cool question from Elliott who is your

663
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: favorite Patriot player that didn't get enough recognition? He says

664
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: his is Kyle van Noy.

665
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: That's a good one.

666
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: Here's Larry Centers.

667
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: But like Larry Centers, it's think Larry Center should be

668
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, but he by the

669
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 3: time he got to the Patriots, that was like the end.

670
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: I'm like somebody who didn't get enough credit with the Patriots.

671
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: Where do I start? You know the guy that I've

672
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 3: always said that they've they've been chasing this guy since

673
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: he left, Adrian Waddle. L Adrian Waddle was a true

674
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: swing tackle at a time they needed one. They've been

675
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: fighting tackle.

676
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: Disrespect. But Adrian Waddle is your answer.

677
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: How many times does this team needed a serviceable swing

678
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: tackle in the last five years and he wasn't here.

679
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: Now he I think he had a career any injury

680
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: after he left. He's not playing anymore. But I remember

681
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: saying to you that next year when he left, we

682
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: were talking in the locker room and saying they missed

683
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: la Adrian Waddle, and you were like, that's crazy, but

684
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: it's true. I don't know why he's the first name

685
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: who came to mind. There's probably a better answer. Martella's

686
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: Bennett would be one super underrated Patriot. Loved having him here.

687
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: But I was just talking to somebody about this the

688
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: other day. They sneaky missed Ladrey and Wada when they

689
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: moved on. I bet I can think of it.

690
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: So my biggest one, I don't know if he didn't

691
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: get enough recognition, but I don't think he got as

692
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: much high was Trey Flowers. Trey Flowers at his peak

693
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: with the Patriots was a darn good pass rushing. He

694
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: was really good. He's versatile, rush out on the edge,

695
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: you could rush over the center. He was like dynamite rushing.

696
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: Made me think of a couple. And maybe it's just

697
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: because this defense was so loaded. There were so many

698
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: dudes on that defense. Alan Branch was a really good

699
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: player and he was playing next Evince, and he kind

700
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: of came here late in his career, so I get

701
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: what I came.

702
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: Hicks were kind of like ones that got away a

703
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: little bit, like especially Hicks. Well Hicks Hicks went, but

704
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: that was like a scheme change.

705
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: Alan Branch came here when people thought his career was over.

706
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: Yeah it wasn't.

707
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: It wasn't.

708
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: Uncle Phil's nickname.

709
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he looks like and he kind of turned around.

710
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: And then also from that defense, Kyle Arrington because he

711
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: got followed by Jonathan Jones, who's obviously been this incredible Patriot,

712
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: But Kyle Arrington was going, I'm trying to think back

713
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: to like the earlier, earlier teams.

714
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: Earlier teams like a lot of not not that they

715
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: shouldn't have, but a lot of those early Patriots teams.

716
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: All those guys got loved, I know, which they should have.

717
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying it shouldn't have.

718
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't like Roman Fifer Roman fight.

719
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: So what was I watching? Maybe it was just on Twitter?

720
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: And then we got to move on from this question,

721
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: but always do the rest to show on this they

722
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: were naming I want it was one of the early

723
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: two thousands defenses two thousand and one, three or four,

724
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: and they just I think it was four because I

725
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: think Vince was was already on the team.

726
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: Yes, it would have been four.

727
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: Seymour, will Fork Warren.

728
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

729
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: And then when they got and I was like, okay, yeah,

730
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: it's stack dye line. Then they get to the linebackers

731
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: and they go Willie McGinnis to usc Teddy Bruski, Yeah, Arizona,

732
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: Roman Fifer, Mike Rabel, and I was just like, holy crap, Like,

733
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: how is this not talked about? Is like one of

734
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: the best linebacker rooms of the two thousands, So this

735
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: is insane.

736
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: I kind of him or I'll just bring this up

737
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: because we're in this conversation. I'm working on something with

738
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: Matt Doloff over at the Sports Hub. It actually might

739
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: be up by the time people see this. We haven't

740
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: recorded it yet, but again recording this show early. We

741
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: kind of want to do like an all sports sub

742
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: Patriots team. So the sports Sub started in two thousand

743
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 3: and nine, so but I want to do it as

744
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 3: like a fifty three man roster projection, So maybe not

745
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 3: the fifty three best players, but build out the roster.

746
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: Here's who I have to choose from a corner. This

747
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: is just since two thousand and nine.

748
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: Okay, herr Yeah, because we're trying to keep this shorter.

749
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: Steph Gilmore, Malcolm Butler, Jonathan Jones, j C. Jackson, Christian

750
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: Zalez and keep to leave Drell Reeves, Jason mccordy, Kyle Arrington,

751
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: Jonathan Jones. It's tough group that's insane.

752
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 2: So we're talking to you're taking two.

753
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 3: Well, no, it's gonna be a fifth. We're gonna build

754
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 3: like a fifty three man, so you can have as

755
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: many as like five. So yeah, we'll probably have two

756
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: boundary guys, two slot guys, and then a tweener. So

757
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: like Gilmour is obviously on, I.

758
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: Think Gilmore Revis to lead law have to be.

759
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 3: Hon It's all sports ups. So two thousand and nine,

760
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: so those three, those are the four. But okay, but

761
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: like here's the thing, how do you weigh one year

762
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: of Darrell Revis versus like Jonathan Jones was here for

763
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: a decade and was really well, Johnthan Jones might be

764
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: your slot corner, that's true. One year of Revis versus

765
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: four years of Malcolm Butler who also had to pick

766
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 3: in Super Bowl forty nine. Me and me and Matt

767
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: are going to do this on a podcast. But that

768
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: what an insane run? Like Christian Zhaus at the bottom

769
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: of this list. Yeah, he's the last guy I put

770
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: on there. He's an all pro insane run.

771
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So moving on, Rick asks, currently, I see the

772
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: Patriots top five wy receivers as Digs, Pop, Booty, Williams, Boorn,

773
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: to me, Digs and Williams are the only locks. My

774
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: question is do you trade Bourne to give Baker more

775
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: reps in preseason to see what they can do? So basically,

776
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: do you trade Kennrin Bourne.

777
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I also don't. If you'd want those two

778
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: guys to get reps, you can give him reps. I

779
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: don't think you need a trade anybody. These people forget

780
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: how long these preseason games are. Yeah, like you can

781
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: get them reps. I wouldn't trade Kendrick Bourne unless it's

782
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: in like we talked about last week, one of those

783
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 3: deals where all right, you know Terry McLaurin for a

784
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: second and born right, I would do that, But I'm

785
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: not rushing Kendrick Bourne out the door. He has chemistry

786
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: with Drake May, he has experience in Josh McDaniel's offense.

787
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: He's another year removed from that torn ACL so I

788
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 3: think he's gonna move a little bit better. I wouldn't

789
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: rush him out the door. And he's more proven, and

790
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: they need some proven commodities, even if it's not proven

791
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: at a high level. They need some guys who you

792
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 3: kind of just know what you're getting out of. That's

793
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: definitely not Polkin Baker.

794
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, all right. Tammy asks who hits six

795
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: six hundred and fifty yards from scrimmage first, Travon Henderson

796
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: or Kyle Williams. I'm going Henderson as well. I think

797
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: that's not really fair, No, because he's running totally differ

798
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: different because Henderson you can force feed the ball. Kyle

799
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: Williams has to get open and catch the ball. Yeah,

800
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: that's very different.

801
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 3: Nothing against Kyle Williams, but that's not it's not the same,

802
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 3: all right.

803
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: Rick asks after free agency in the draft, which position

804
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: group still is in need of a talent upgrade? So

805
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: my answer to this question is different. Like talent upgrade

806
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: versus which position am I most concerned about, I think

807
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: are two different things because I don't think you need

808
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: the Zach Martin of left guards, like I don't think

809
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: you need a stud at left guard. But if I

810
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: had to say what the biggest hole on the team

811
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: is right now, it's probably left guard just in terms

812
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 2: of starting caliber player. But the area where I feel

813
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: like they're the most talent deficient might be a little

814
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: bit different than that. I would say talent deficient. I

815
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: would more lean towards either receiver or edge rusher. I'm

816
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: with you, But in terms of where I think the

817
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: biggest hole is, it's still left guard, still the interior

818
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 2: offensive line. Quick asks, Could the Patriots take a flyer

819
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: on Zadarius Smith, Gabe Davis or Will Hernandez if they

820
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 2: get the veteran manhim, Will Hernandez guard played a little

821
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: bit in the league, was drafted by the Giants. Zadarius Smith.

822
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: I could see it, But like you already have Harold Randrey,

823
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: Harold Landry and Chase On Like those are kind of

824
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: your veteran edge rushers. I don't know if you need

825
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 2: a third one of those types of guys on the team.

826
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: So if I had to guess out of those three,

827
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: I'd say Will Hernandez or just you know, we talked

828
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 2: about Sheriff last week on the show. Want to say

829
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 2: Smith had nine sacks last year still, and I think

830
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: he has some between the Packers and Vikings, he must

831
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 2: have some overlap with the current car Oh and Mike Rablers,

832
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: with Mike Rable and Cleveland for part of last year.

833
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate Sindarius Smith again, You're you're creating a

834
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: little bit of a log jam that might not be

835
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: the worst thing in the world for how they're set

836
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: up right now, especially if they're planning on moving on

837
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: for me Anfredy Jennings, Yeah, I could see that all right.

838
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: Last one here, this is from Matt. How do you

839
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: think all the offensive line offensive mines, excuse me, offensive

840
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: mines in the room? Mesh. So I'm thinking he's talking

841
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: about the coaching staff. Yeah, there's a lot of guys

842
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 2: from different backgrounds. How do I think that they're gonna, Mesh.

843
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels is in charge, So I think they're gonna

844
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: as much as I want to have an open mind

845
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 2: and have you know, have McDaniels have an open mind

846
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: and hear out other people and bring in other ideas

847
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: and bring in fresh concepts. At the end of the day,

848
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 2: the way that you, Mesh, is that you recognize as

849
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: a positional coach that the offensive the buck stops with

850
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator. And I think that the onus is

851
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 2: on everybody for that. But I would say that there's

852
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: some bus on the positional coaches, like don't don't overstep,

853
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: like don't don't get too big for your bridges. You know,

854
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 2: you're the quarterbacks coach, you're the tight ends coach, you're

855
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: the receivers coach. You know, just do your job and

856
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: I think everything will be fine. But I that's not

857
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: to say live in an echo chamber, right, Like you

858
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 2: want to have those other ideas, but that if you

859
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: ask me how they mesh, they meshed by realizing that

860
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels is the guy in charge. Yeah, there we go.

861
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: So we did pretty good there. That was pretty rapid fire. Yeah,

862
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: right around forty minutes. So that's the show for this week. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: that's a little bit shorter, but I have some big

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Speaker 2: good excuse. But Alex and I will be back on

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Speaker 2: the twenty third, the first day of training camp. I

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Speaker 2: can't believe I'm saying that. That's absolutely crazy. So we'll

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Speaker 2: Patriots training camp. So thanks so much for watching and listening,

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Speaker 2: as you guys always do. Big thanks to all the

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Speaker 2: of them and we'll see you guys in a few weeks.

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