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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Scott Peterson. Does it never end with this guy? Remember him?

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Speaker 2: He was sitting on death row for years for the

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Speaker 2: murder of his wife, Lacey and their.

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Speaker 1: Unborn child Connor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well somehow he did a backflip and he's no

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Speaker 2: longer on death row, and now he says he's totally innocent,

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Speaker 2: claiming that a burned mattress and duct tape will prove quote,

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Speaker 2: I didn't murder Lacey. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Scott Peterson convicted of killing his wife Lacey and their

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Speaker 3: unborn son Connor. Now twenty two years later, he's speaking out.

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Speaker 2: He's speaking out now, really, he's speaking out now when

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Speaker 2: he had the opportunity at trial to take the stand

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Speaker 2: and explain to the jury how he's innocent and he

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Speaker 2: did not kill his wife and unborn child, Connor. So

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Speaker 2: now he's speaking out for the cameras, okay, where nobody

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Speaker 2: such as me can cross examine him.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that'll be a piece of cake.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder how much money he or his family

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Speaker 2: is making off speaking out now. That said, I want

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Speaker 2: you to hear and I'm really looking forward to this

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Speaker 2: coming out on Netflix, American Murder Lacy Peterson. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be followed by a documentary. Oops almost in documentary,

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Speaker 2: but documentary in which Peterson allegedly speaks. But that said,

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Speaker 2: I want you to hear this from Netflix American Murder

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Speaker 2: Lacy Peterson.

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Speaker 4: I was having Christmas Eve at my house and she

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Speaker 4: was going to have Christmas Morning at her house, and

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Speaker 4: that's pretty much when everything started. Scott called me to

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Speaker 4: find out if Lacy was at my house and I

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Speaker 4: said no, and he said, well that she's missing. Missing.

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Speaker 4: What do you mean missing? I mean, people don't use

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Speaker 4: that term lightly. So I told him to call her

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Speaker 4: friends and find out if anybody had seen her.

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Speaker 1: Christmas Eve. I got a call from Scott Licy's missing.

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Speaker 1: Have you talked to her today? What do you mean missing?

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Speaker 1: Where could she possibly be?

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Speaker 5: He called and said the same thing to me, that

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Speaker 5: she's missing, and I was like, what do you mean missing?

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Speaker 4: Called me back and said that nobody has seen her.

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Speaker 4: I told Ron called the police, and I called a

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Speaker 4: friend of mine to come and pick me up. Because

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Speaker 4: it was so I've said, I mean instantly, it was panic.

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Speaker 2: Instantly you are hearing American Murder Lacy Peterson, it's going

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Speaker 2: to air on Netflix, and joining me right now, an

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Speaker 2: entire all star panel very intimately familiar with the Scott

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Speaker 2: Peterson case. But first a special guest, Sky Borgman, joining

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Speaker 2: us out of la the director of American Murder, Lacy Peterson. Sky,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. You know what just

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Speaker 2: right there that takes me right back to the trial

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Speaker 2: and all the times that I have spoken with Lacey's mother,

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Speaker 2: Sharon Roache. And you know what, Sky, I will never

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Speaker 2: forget as long as I live. I had been out

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Speaker 2: in front of the courthouse. It was so hot, race

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Speaker 2: back in because Sharon was going to testify, and as

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Speaker 2: I recall, she had on this beautiful yellow outfit, and

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Speaker 1: I got in at the end, entirely back row.

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Speaker 2: I had to sit on my backpack so I could

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Speaker 2: see Sharon, and she described, amongst so many other things,

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Speaker 2: sky burying her daughter, her skeletal remains, and in the

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Speaker 2: casket she buried baby Connor in Lacey's skeleton arms, so

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Speaker 2: that in death she could hold the baby.

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Speaker 1: She was looking forward to so much. And I will.

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Speaker 2: Never forget Sharon Roache as long as I lip that

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Speaker 2: woman has lived through hell Sky.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, she really hasn't. She's an incredible woman, and she

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Speaker 6: really looks she hasn't. She hasn't really wanted to participate

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Speaker 6: in a documentary about Lacey, and we were so honored

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Speaker 6: And I think a lot of the reason behind that

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Speaker 6: is because there have been these other documentaries that are

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Speaker 6: saying that Scott Peterson is innocent and very much focused

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Speaker 6: on Scott, and she wanted our documentary, her documentary, any

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Speaker 6: documentary that she speaks on, to really.

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Speaker 1: Be about lazy.

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Speaker 6: And I hope that we accomplish that in a way

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Speaker 6: that makes Sharon proud. I certainly think it will, and

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Speaker 6: I think our documentary is very lazy, for it is

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Speaker 6: always what I'm the most interested in when I'm telling

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Speaker 1: In a sky.

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Speaker 2: It's really a huge fat to get Sharon to speak

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Speaker 2: because it's so painful for her even now to talk

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Speaker 1: Missing and what happened.

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Speaker 2: And I want to bring it back to what we

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Speaker 2: American Murder Lacey Paterson Sky because I'm about to go

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Speaker 2: to a veteran trial lawyer who will disagree with me,

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Speaker 2: Richard Herman. But I remember when my son, and it

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Speaker 2: was just for a few moments, we were in this

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Speaker 2: giant baby superstore. He was about too It's got a

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Speaker 2: twin sister, Lucy, and I was way down on a

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Speaker 2: shelf from floor to ceiling looking for organic sunscreen.

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Speaker 1: Don't even ask, but I stood up.

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Speaker 2: I said, well they don't have it, and I turned

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Speaker 2: around and there was Lucy.

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Speaker 1: I know John David.

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Speaker 2: I did not call my husband and say John David's missing.

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Speaker 2: I started screaming to the top of the lungs my

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Speaker 2: his name.

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Speaker 1: He's gone right there.

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Speaker 2: You capsulize it, Sky, who says Lacy's missing. Missing is

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Speaker 2: what you determine after all effort are exhausted, then she's missing.

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Speaker 2: You start with saying, hey, have you say Lacey.

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Speaker 1: That's how you start. Yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 6: I mean, like I understand maybe that there was some

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Speaker 6: super weird behavior from Scott Peterson. But I think even

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Speaker 6: beyond the strange behavior that Scott exhibits, when you really

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Speaker 6: look at the evidence, to me, it sort of stacks

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Speaker 6: up and says one thing, and that's what the jury

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Speaker 2: When you say you look at the evidence and it

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Speaker 2: stacks up and says one thing, which evidence particularly speaks

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Speaker 2: to you, Scott.

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Speaker 6: Look, it's circumstantial, let's be real, but it is a

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Speaker 6: big stack of circumstantial evidence. What speaks to me the

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Speaker 6: most are, honestly, the conversations he had with Amber Fry,

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Speaker 6: the woman that he was in a relationship with while

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Speaker 6: he was still married, while Lacy was still alive, and

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Speaker 6: he talks about the end of his relationship, the end

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Speaker 6: of Lacey, the end of his wife. Before Lacey's goes

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Speaker 6: missing on December ninth, he talks about his marriage being over,

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Speaker 6: that his wife is dead. So he's sort of projecting

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Speaker 6: in a way, and that to me, and I believe

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Speaker 6: them to go. This was premeditated. This is something that

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Speaker 6: Scott was planned.

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Speaker 2: Joining me high profile trial lawyer Richard Herman defense attorney

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Speaker 2: joining us out of Vegas but practices all over the country,

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Speaker 2: and Richard Bheerman dot com Richard go ahead. Second verse,

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Speaker 2: same as the first hit me.

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Speaker 7: The sky is right. The case is completely circumstantial and

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Speaker 7: circumstantial evens is strong. However, there's no murder weapon, there

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Speaker 7: are no witnesses, there's no determination of cause, time and

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Speaker 7: day to death. We have a trial judge who completely

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Speaker 7: screwed up and sentencing during the penalty phase, and therefore

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Speaker 7: the death penalty was reversed taken off. These are errors

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Speaker 7: in the case. Nancy. We want the search or truth.

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Speaker 7: That's what you want. That's what we all want. And

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Speaker 7: the defense is going to do everything they can to

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Speaker 7: show how the Medestinal police was horrible, how they did

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Speaker 7: not do a proper investigation here, how it means and

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Speaker 7: evidence is missing, which missing.

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Speaker 2: They did an exhaustive investigation. And let me start off

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Speaker 2: with what Sky just played for us. Day one moment,

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Speaker 2: one minute one. Scott Peterson is lying. He lied to

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Speaker 2: Amber Fry.

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Speaker 1: What is he? Clairvoyant?

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Speaker 2: Herman? He says to his mistress, Oh, this is my

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Speaker 2: first Christmas without my wife. She's dead, and then a

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Speaker 2: few weeks later, guess what, she was dead and he

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Speaker 2: had his first Christmas without his wife. You really want

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Speaker 2: me to think somebody else engineered that?

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Speaker 1: Seriously?

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Speaker 2: I mean really, just take off your hat as defense

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Speaker 2: attorney and be straight, just this one time. That's bs

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Speaker 2: He predicted it. Two weeks later it came true. Joining

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Speaker 2: me and Hendricks, investigative journalist and author of Down the Hill,

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Speaker 2: My Descent into the double murder in Delphi, Susan and

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Speaker 2: I covered the Peterson trial together.

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Speaker 1: Day after day after day.

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Speaker 2: Susan Hendricks the reports that Lacy Peterson was walking her dog.

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Speaker 2: We have been over and over and over those reports.

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Speaker 2: Those witnesses may have seen Lacy Peterson walking her dog

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Speaker 2: on a different day, at a different time. I have

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Speaker 2: heard about the dog walking ad nauseum, and it.

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Speaker 8: Was brought up in the original trial, I mean Nancy

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Speaker 8: in the original trial, and I remember watching you and

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Speaker 8: you covering this. I feel like, although circumstantial, everything came

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Speaker 8: the most would be the boat that apparently no one

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Speaker 8: But there are people, groups of people on Twitter now

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Speaker 8: known as x that believe he is innocent, including his

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Speaker 8: sister in law, who, by the way, became a lawyer

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Speaker 8: to prove this. But I think you're right. The first

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Speaker 8: verdict that came back was the right one for Scott.

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Speaker 8: It'll be interesting to hear him speak, but I will

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Speaker 8: say I'm looking forward to the Netflix documentary to hear

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Speaker 8: more about Lacey and her family.

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Speaker 2: Okay, back to the evidence at trial, and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to remind everybody, and I'm sure Sky Vorgman found this

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Speaker 2: as she was creating this incredible documentary. It's airing on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: American Murder Lacy Peterson. The testimony from those that knew

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Speaker 2: Lacy the best before she was murdered states that she

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Speaker 2: can no longer walk the dog as she had done.

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Speaker 2: It was time for her to give She was not

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Speaker 2: out walking her dog. That's not what happened now, Sky.

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Speaker 2: It's being argued that those witnesses that think they saw

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Speaker 2: her walking the dog after she'd already been kidnapped, they

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Speaker 2: have been interviewed.

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Speaker 6: They have been interviewed. They were interviewed at the time

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Speaker 6: they were interviewed before the trial by Modesto PD, And

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Speaker 6: what Modesto PD continues to say is that nobody could

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Speaker 6: positively identify a person walking a dog as Lacy Peterson.

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Speaker 6: They may have seen a pregnant woman walking Golden retriever,

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Speaker 6: they may have seen a.

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Speaker 1: Non pregnant woman walking a different dog.

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Speaker 6: They may have seen a woman in a white top

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Speaker 6: and black pants walking, But nobody that knew Lacey, that

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Speaker 6: walking Mackenzie at whatever time in the afternoon. That's what

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Speaker 6: Modesto Police says. There are police records to back it up.

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Speaker 2: This was not somebody who was waiting for his wife

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Speaker 2: to come back.

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Speaker 5: Contacted by telephone, Scott Peterson said, quote, I hope their

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Speaker 5: efforts helped find my wife and kid. Her father told

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Speaker 5: NBC News quote, I'm glad they are looking in the

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Speaker 5: right direction.

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Speaker 1: I know he did it.

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Speaker 2: You're hearing just a tiny tidbit from American murder Lacy

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Speaker 2: First came a little baby's body, and then came Lacy.

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Speaker 2: What about that Richard Herman, that doesn't speak to you?

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Speaker 10: Which speaks to me more is the DNA evidence on

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Speaker 2: You answer the question, the question I asked you about

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Speaker 2: Out of all the places on earth he could go

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I know you want me to answer that. I

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Speaker 10: I mean that's not good, that's not good. But there

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Speaker 10: Man's liberties at stake, and they have every right to

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Speaker 7: Twenty two years already he's in prison.

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Speaker 2: See, you don't want to talk about the hard evidence.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not a DDS, I'm a JdE. I can't

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the so called DNA evidence on a duct

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Speaker 11: In an attempt to get a new trial, Scott Peterson's

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Speaker 11: All the other evidence that Peterson's lawyers were asking to

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Speaker 2: Okay to Susan Hendricks is joining US investigative journalist who

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson, who is somehow.

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Speaker 2: Mashed at Wiggles's Way Off Death Row and the double

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Speaker 2: DNA on a piece of duct tape will prove he's innocent.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the duct tape, Susan.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I believe we will find that out because the

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Speaker 8: that was found on a pair of pants with Lacey's

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Speaker 8: like you said, Nancy, if it is something that will

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Speaker 1: They will always.

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Speaker 8: Remain that age. And I can't imagine for Sharon what

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Speaker 8: her grandson, being buried in the arms of Lacey. The wrenching,

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Speaker 8: But again, Connor, her grandson, would have been what mid

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Speaker 2: Joining me is a renowned pathologist, doctor Eric Easen, Doctor Ason,

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Speaker 1: Not so for Lacey.

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Speaker 2: Explain to me what happened to Lacey's body. This is

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Speaker 12: So what happened to the body is the death occurred,

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 4: She's been gone almost as long as she was here.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to be remembered as a person and

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Speaker 2: She was alive, She's still lived to all of us.

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Speaker 4: I see dragonflies and I think of her this time

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Speaker 4: She trusted her husband, and he betrayed her. He betrayed her,

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Speaker 1: To veterans law. You're Richard Herman joining me out in Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Scott Peterson quote speaks out, Really shouldn't he have done

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Speaker 2: He's going to say whatever a fluffy piece of bs

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Speaker 10: Yeah. I think it's pretty dangerous for him to be

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Speaker 10: what's going to get This could seal it for him

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Speaker 10: because nothing good is going to come from what he's

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Speaker 10: exonerate himself. Nobody believes him. He has no credibility personally,

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Speaker 10: it's no good. It's fraught with danger and fitthballs, and

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Speaker 1: So a good.

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Speaker 2: Interviewer, Richard Herman, Yes, if you or I were cross

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Speaker 2: and American Murder Lacy Peterson focusing on Lacey Sky Boardman

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Speaker 2: Murder Lacy Peterson Sky. I want to bring everybody's attention

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Speaker 2: back to what happened then, Not my opinion, not Richard

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Speaker 2: Herman's opinion of innocence, not what's going to be on

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Speaker 2: a special or a documentary that's going to occur on Netflix,

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Speaker 2: with me in the panel to Ron Grantsky's nine to

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Speaker 7: Yes, my fellow, low call saying, well morning, my daughter has.

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Speaker 7: You have done for a walk in the cart from here.

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Speaker 7: God came home with.

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Speaker 1: I forgot your daughter right way, Peter, your stepdaughter lay.

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Speaker 7: She's forty, she's pack.

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Speaker 1: Why can you hear you the happening and come back

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Speaker 1: that we don't know.

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Speaker 7: We just got a call from our son in law.

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Speaker 7: Get he left your point at night the play off

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Speaker 13: Nowhere around anything.

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Speaker 12: He would come up to the dog.

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Speaker 14: Way walked it in here in that party he said.

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Speaker 2: Watery okay, okay, okay, thanks all right, skyboardman. Let me

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Speaker 2: his father in law, at least his dad he went

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Speaker 1: Crazy me, I thought he said he went fishing.

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Speaker 6: From my understanding, he told he told ron Gramski that

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Speaker 6: he went golfing. Everybody else he told he went fishing.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I've tried to figure out the psychology behind that.

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Speaker 2: If it was just saink, I know the psychology. You

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Speaker 2: that story has never never changed. Has it changed, Shackie.

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Speaker 2: I've been telling it since he was almost two years old.

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Speaker 2: He's sixteen. Now, Why, because that's what happened. I haven't

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Speaker 2: that's not true. I think I know why he changed

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Speaker 2: his story, And I'm going to get.

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Speaker 1: This from Susan Hendricks.

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Speaker 2: Susan Hendricks, joining US investigative journalist and author, covered the case.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that he changed his story?

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Speaker 2: Scott Peterson changed his story from golfing to fishing at

442
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: the San Francisco Bay, the marina where Lacey's body turned up,

443
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: after it came out that the guy collecting tickets or

444
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: letting people in and out of the parking area at

445
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: the marina remembered him.

446
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: So he was busted.

447
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 8: He really was, and he had an explanation at the

448
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 8: time for anything that came his way, saying, well, the

449
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 8: weather in a whisper really wasn't good for golfing, so

450
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 8: you take a boat that no one knows you own

451
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 8: and go out on a boat when the weather's bad.

452
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 8: And I remember on December eighth, which screams premeditation to me,

453
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 8: he googled the tide, the bay tide for that time.

454
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 8: So I believe that Amber Fry gave him a motive

455
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 8: to do what he did, and he was able to

456
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 8: change the story from golfing to in his boat. You're

457
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 8: right now, see when he was busted, when he was caught.

458
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 8: And it doesn't surprise me that this narcissistic psychopath, in

459
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 8: my opinion, wants to speak out now because he believes

460
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 8: that he's charming enough to do so, and that what

461
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 8: he says may charm those who believe he is guilty.

462
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 15: We'd like to thank all of you for being here

463
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 15: and helping us is trying to find our daughter. I

464
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 15: would just like to send a message out there that

465
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 15: whoever has her, please please please let her go bring

466
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 15: her back.

467
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 12: So much.

468
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: What a bock.

469
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: Please close our backs.

470
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 15: We want her and our grandson home safely and immediately,

471
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 15: so please bring her back to us.

472
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: That is painful to watch. That is Sharon, that Slicy's

473
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: mom and Ron Grantsky dad, her stepdad, begging for her

474
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: safe return with my sky boardman Director of American Murder,

475
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: Lacey Paterson Sky You know, I remember that moment, and

476
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: even now when I see Sharon speaking in your special,

477
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: it seems like all that is still just just below

478
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: the surface.

479
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 6: It is. I mean, I don't know if anybody could

480
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 6: ever recover from the loss of a child. I know

481
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 6: Sharon moves on, she lives her life, it doesn't consume her,

482
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 6: but she misses Lacey every day and she loves Lacey

483
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 6: every day. And it's a terrible tragedy. And I think

484
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 6: with all of the appeals, look, Scott Peterson and the

485
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 6: team behind him have been appealing for the last twenty years.

486
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 6: This hasn't it hasn't gone away. Scott has been there

487
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 6: presently and Sharon has to be on the receiving end

488
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 6: of that and she hears what's happening. And now with

489
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 6: this new DNA evidence, that they've put forward. It's hard

490
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 6: for her, it's hard for the entire family.

491
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: Speaking of Scott Peterson, take a listen to face to

492
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: face with Scott Peterson. A reminder he had a chance

493
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: to say on this in front of a jury, but

494
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: he knew he would be cross examined.

495
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: Listen, thanks for talking with me today.

496
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: He didn't want to be a dad, didn't want to

497
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 3: pay childson board, didn't want to space spousal and this

498
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: is the way he thought about getting out of it.

499
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: I believe my brother in law, Scott has been wrongfully

500
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: convicted of that murder. Okay, what about a burned out,

501
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: formerly bloody mattress. Peterson says, we'll exonerate him. To Susan Hendricks,

502
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: investigative journalist, what's he talking about.

503
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, there were two people arrested, though connected to I

504
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 8: believe it was a burglary or robbery in the area

505
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 8: during that same time period. But it doesn't mean, Nancy,

506
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 8: that two bad things couldn't have happened during the same time.

507
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 8: And I believe those involved in that have been questioned

508
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 8: and wanted to prove so much so that they were

509
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 8: not involved in the disappearance of Lacey but that tape

510
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 8: on Lacey's remains on her pants and the DNA testing,

511
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 8: will that show anything that will prove that Scott is innocent?

512
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: That is the big question.

513
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 8: And I heard Skuy say that she's wondering how Lacey died,

514
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 8: and I don't believe will ever hear exactly.

515
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 15: How she was.

516
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 8: And I remember through the years hearing her mother say

517
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 8: that's what she wonders the most. How much did my

518
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 8: daughter suffer and what really happened to her? And I

519
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 8: don't see her ever reading the answer.

520
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: To that.

521
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

522
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: To doctor Eric Ason, certified forensic pathologist. Doctor Ayson, her

523
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: body was essentially skeletonized. How can you ever get a

524
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: cod on a skeletonized body?

525
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 12: Well, part of the problem is that only the torso

526
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 12: was found and the head was never recovered, and so

527
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 12: the best guess that I have is that he was

528
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 12: either a blunt force head trauma or a gunshot wounded

529
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 12: the head, or strangulation or throat slash, something like that.

530
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 12: But if the head is never going to be recovered,

531
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 12: then the cause of death is probably never going to

532
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 12: be found. I definitely know that the torso was found

533
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 12: and there were no gunshot wounds or stab wounds or

534
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 12: rib fractures or anything that would indicate that the trauma

535
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 12: was to the torso, so the cause of death is

536
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 12: still unknown.

537
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 2: Some evidence that Peterson is touting is said to include

538
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: a burnt van near the neighborhood, possibly connected to a burglary.

539
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: The fire investigator in Modesto at the time investigated the

540
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: burned out van. The vehicle was near the neighborhood and

541
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: it had a mattress in the back with a brown

542
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: stain on it. Some people feared it was human blood. Okay,

543
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if that will be enough to exonerate

544
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: Scott Peterson since it's not connected to Lacy Peterson.

545
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 1: That's the issue.

546
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 2: Listen to this for me, this elaborate night about her

547
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: missing and this tragedy and that and that that this

548
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: will be the first holidays without her.

549
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 6: Amber, God, I don't want to play with you. So

550
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 6: you know that I.

551
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 3: Or missing.

552
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, you said you've lost your wife, obviously.

553
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: Without me staying much, but we were, Yes, you did.

554
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: I did lost my what my wife? Where Walmart?

555
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: You lost your wife? Come terminology? She's dead and then

556
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: she was. But that's not all.

557
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: Amber Fry, who many people have assailed. It's a perfectly

558
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: nice person. Now, mother, I've.

559
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: Spoken to her many many times.

560
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: She truly believed she had hit the jackpot, found this

561
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: great single guy.

562
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: That's just what Lacey thought. But listen to more. This

563
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: is the This is the call that.

564
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: Peterson places to Amber during Lacy Peterson's missing vigil.

565
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 13: Listen ever, ever, every happy here?

566
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 6: Thank you.

567
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 15: There?

568
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish you could.

569
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 13: Gainst I'm on the eye. I think that you're there.

570
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 13: I'm my the idlers getting real.

571
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 15: God, you.

572
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 13: Error you're there. I can't hear right now.

573
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 7: I'll call you on your knear.

574
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: Em Okay.

575
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 2: The Eiffel Tower, my rear end. The Eiffel Tower. Richard Hermann.

576
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 2: He's calling his lover, claiming he's aid the Eiffel Tower,

577
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: and he's making the call during the vigil for his

578
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: missing wife.

579
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 10: That's why you can't put any credibility to things. He's

580
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 10: telling this woman. You just can't. And you know she

581
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 10: a former messuse or whatever she was. She thought she

582
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 10: hit the jackpot with him.

583
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: So you're telling me you can't believe what he says

584
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: to his mistress, Then why should I believe what he's

585
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: saying now in order to get out.

586
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: Of jail, to save his own skin. Why should I

587
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: believe him now?

588
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 10: Because people say stupid things if they're cheating and they're

589
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 10: not honorable, they don't say the right things. They know

590
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 10: what they're doing is wrong. So you can't take credibility

591
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 10: for anything that he said to her. And here's another thing, Nancy,

592
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 10: if he really didn't want to be married, if he

593
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 10: didn't really want to be in that relationship, he could

594
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 10: have easily got a divorce. He didn't have to kill her.

595
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 10: I mean, come on, that's the extreme.

596
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 6: No.

597
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 14: I met Scott Peterson November twentieth, two thousand and two.

598
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 14: I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried.

599
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 14: Scott told me he was not married. We did have

600
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 14: a romantic relationship. When I discovered he was involved in

601
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 14: the Lacy Peterson disappearance in the case, contacted the Modesto

602
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 14: Police Department. Although I could have sold or sold the

603
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 14: photos of Scott and I to tabloids, I knew this

604
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 14: was not the right thing to do. For fear of

605
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 14: jeopardizing the case or the police investigation. I will not

606
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 14: comment further.

607
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: While the case is not all about Amberfry. If it

608
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: had not been for Amberfry coming forward, I sometimes wonder

609
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: if the case would ever have been cracked. Joining me

610
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: an all star panel to sky Boardman, the director of

611
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: American Murder, Lacy Peterson on Netflix, sky what led you

612
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 2: to take on this endeavor because you know a competing

613
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: streamer is going to come out with another special that

614
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 2: is all about but you chose this to be about

615
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: the facts of the trial and about Lacey and Sharon.

616
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 10: Yeah.

617
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 6: You know, it's been twenty years since this was really

618
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 6: in the media in a significant way, and I remember

619
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 6: following it. But what was interesting to me is there

620
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 6: were so many things that I either didn't know or

621
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 6: details that I'd forgotten, and so sort of diving back

622
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 6: into it and doing the research, it just became more

623
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 6: and more clear to me what was happening, what was

624
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 6: going on during the time, and the different layers and

625
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 6: intricacies of this trial, but also how it was Really

626
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 6: it's not that much of a head scratcher. You watch

627
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 6: it and you're like, this seems to lead to a

628
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 6: certain point. It's not a mystery, it's not unknown. It's

629
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 6: pretty obvious what happened, and that's really something I got

630
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 6: as I was doing the research for this, and it

631
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 6: got to be very clear that this was a story

632
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 6: about Lacy Peterson, and that the facts that were presented

633
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 6: to a trial twenty years ago, years ago are still

634
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 6: the facts today.

635
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 2: I just wonder why, sky that so many people want

636
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: to latch on to facts that are not true that

637
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: were brought up a trial that Jerry heard them. Is

638
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: it the sensationalism that someone else murdered Lacey? What is it?

639
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 6: I think it's sensationalism. I think some of it may

640
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 6: be denial. I think people want to believe in goodness

641
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 6: in people. But I really feel like there's a lot

642
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 6: of misinformation out there as well. You know, as soon

643
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 6: as things started getting on Reddit threads and all of

644
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 6: these different forums, and somebody grabs onto something and it

645
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 6: changes slightly. It's like this telephone game, and it changes

646
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 6: slightly again, and it changes slightly again, and it becomes

647
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 6: the truth without really looking at the actual evidence at

648
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 6: police reports, and so these ideas can sort of start

649
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 6: to really grow into something that isn't truthful at all.

650
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: Hard for me to look at Scott Peterson. I'm looking

651
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: at him right now, answering softball questions by some producer.

652
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: When I look at him, Sky, I think about Lacy

653
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: and how our life was cut short, the murder of

654
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: a helpless pregnant woman that could barely even go for

655
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: a walk, and then Connor, their baby boy. She and

656
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: her whole family were so ecstatic about the first baby.

657
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: Their world in front of them.

658
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: I'm just and then I look at him. It's never

659
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: about Gee. I didn't kill her, so let's find who did.

660
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: It's never about that, It's always about him. Never a

661
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: mention of wow, if I didn't do it, who did?

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Speaker 10: Never?

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Speaker 1: Never, Sky. Look if they've come up with theories.

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Speaker 6: They've come up with theory about this robbery across the street,

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Speaker 6: this burglary across the street that happened, and it must

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Speaker 6: have been these burglars that absconded with her, grabbed her,

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Speaker 6: through her in a van and took off with her.

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Speaker 6: But even that, it's just timelines don't match up.

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Speaker 1: The color of the van.

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Speaker 6: They've got this orange man now that's burnt out, that

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Speaker 6: was found a mile away. People reported seeing a white

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Speaker 6: fan in the neighborhood. The timeline of it is completely different.

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Speaker 6: The burglars, since themselves say that they were there early

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Speaker 6: morning hours. They couldn't have been there. The times, the dates,

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Speaker 6: it's all sort of mixed up, and it just doesn't

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Speaker 6: really lead to any consistency in any.

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Speaker 1: Kind of story.

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Speaker 6: And these burglars were burglars, they're not. I think it's

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Speaker 6: a big step to go from being a burglar.

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Speaker 1: To go to being a man.

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Speaker 2: They were a found sky, they were found and questioned

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Speaker 2: and pollyed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all I know is this.

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Speaker 2: Looking at Sharon and Rocha now in your Special American Murder,

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Speaker 2: Lucy Paterson, I see that her pain has not lessened.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice continues to unfold. Goodbye friend,