Speaker 1: I'm Zuzana Shakovsky and I played COROTA on gossip row.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, listeners, to your one and only source into
Speaker 1: all things gossip crow. You know you'll love it. Xo
Speaker 1: X oh, welcome back to Xo XO. I'm Jessica's or
Speaker 1: and I promised we wouldn't make you wait too long,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna keep this quick. Okay, so today we're
Speaker 1: continuing our epic deep dive conversation with the one and
Speaker 1: only de Roda, also known as Zuzana Shatkovsky. Last time,
Speaker 1: you'll remember, we talked about how she got cast in
Speaker 1: the show even though she was only twenty eight years
Speaker 1: old and they were looking for a sixty year old,
Speaker 1: how her character basically raised Blair and the mini spinoff
Speaker 1: series she's shot called Chasing de Roda. This episode, you'll
Speaker 1: hear our conversation about Blair's minions, the Paparazzi on set
Speaker 1: and her favorite couples on the show. So let's just
Speaker 1: jump back in with her. Zuzana Shatkovski, let me ask
Speaker 1: you this. What do you think about the minions? Do
Speaker 1: you think de Roda like respected these minions that literally
Speaker 1: follow Blair around and like think the sun shines out
Speaker 1: of her asshole. You know. I feel like that, like
Speaker 1: she always had to kind of babysit them a little
Speaker 1: bit in a way. Um. So I feel like there
Speaker 1: were a lot of a lot of eye rolls about
Speaker 1: certain minions behaviors. Um. So I think that, Um, I
Speaker 1: think there was some instances where Groda end up having
Speaker 1: to kind of keep them in line. I remember, like
Speaker 1: there was the entire story about the La when when
Speaker 1: Blair had the you know, was designing so Deronda had
Speaker 1: to do a lot of trouble shooting and a lot
Speaker 1: of like cleaning up with the mess, and so I
Speaker 1: feel like the minions probably, like we're a little bit
Speaker 1: exhausting for her. It's just the whole dynamic for Blair.
Speaker 1: It's so funny to me. And then she was so
Speaker 1: mean to those minions too. So funny, like so mean
Speaker 1: to them. It was so like some of the ship
Speaker 1: she says. I'm like, Blair, it's Hilarious, it's really funny.
Speaker 1: That was it was just that was a very good
Speaker 1: like Blair, all of you, De Roda, the minions, like again,
Speaker 1: like your reactions to the craziness that's going on Blair's
Speaker 1: one liners, her steaming her, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and then like her relationship with her mom. It was
Speaker 1: so grounded in a way to where it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is why she's acting like this because she doesn't
Speaker 1: get get or have this from her family. Right. It's
Speaker 1: like a little different set of expectations, right. You know,
Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting with the minions because I
Speaker 1: think there's such a great example of what works about
Speaker 1: gossip girl two, which is it? You have sort of
Speaker 1: an over the top situation and you kind of really
Speaker 1: go there with the dialogue and, you know, the detail,
Speaker 1: but the performances it's like they have to be moored
Speaker 1: in some kind of like real heart and like earnest place,
Speaker 1: like some kind of desperation or whatever, you know, like
Speaker 1: so that those performances it's like, you know, if you
Speaker 1: think about like what Amanda Sat and did or our
Speaker 1: Alice Callahan, it's like those characters were all so fleshed
Speaker 1: out and so different from each other and so the committed,
Speaker 1: you know. So every single one of those performances was
Speaker 1: like in a full, fully committed mode, so that when
Speaker 1: you watch it, all of a sudden they're actually real people,
Speaker 1: even though they're the things that they're doing are so
Speaker 1: insane and like right. And then even, yeah, Nicole Dream, yeah, like,
Speaker 1: I mean all of them doing it, Nelly, Yuki like
Speaker 1: and those that and it created a tapestry of like
Speaker 1: the person alities that are supported Blair. I mean, like
Speaker 1: you said, you know, it's like for Blair to be
Speaker 1: the Queen Bee, like there has there has to be
Speaker 1: the context and those kind of that context has to
Speaker 1: be real and has to be like full. And so
Speaker 1: for all of those performances to be so specific and
Speaker 1: you know, that's it's kind of like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a master class and the character work, because everybody kind
Speaker 1: of figured out what's the essential thing here at play
Speaker 1: and then just played the hell out of it and
Speaker 1: it became funny and real and you can empathize with
Speaker 1: it and you could go with it and and those
Speaker 1: characters were beloved, you know. So I think it's a
Speaker 1: really cool example of how TV can like really be special.
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely, and what people would really like trip
Speaker 1: and I remember when my sisters would come, they would
Speaker 1: like be like, oh my gosh, it's crazy that when
Speaker 1: you yell cut, like Layton goes over and like hugs
Speaker 1: and last with the coal or like right, right, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're laughing like the road out, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like because people you see what you see and you
Speaker 1: don't understand and literally cut and it's like Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like laughing and hugging or all of us. You know,
Speaker 1: which is is the best part about it, which also
Speaker 1: made it fun to do. You know. Yeah, like I
Speaker 1: have like some really fun pictures from like the final
Speaker 1: season and and I have these cute pictures of like
Speaker 1: me and Layton and Michelle tractonburn just like giggling about
Speaker 1: something because she's playing this insane Georgina, you know. But
Speaker 1: it was it was always so funny to me how like,
Speaker 1: you know, in between everybody was just like how committed
Speaker 1: they were to these like bigger than life characters and
Speaker 1: able to be believable in them when really so different.
Speaker 1: They're all like very chill, very sweet, you know, down
Speaker 1: to our humans. Yeah, totally. What do you think? What
Speaker 1: do you think? De Rhoda Thought of like Blair and
Speaker 1: Serena's relationship? I don't remember so much, like I mean,
Speaker 1: I know I definitely had some moments where I was
Speaker 1: like in scenes with Serena kind of, but there are
Speaker 1: very few people that could actually hurt Blair, you know,
Speaker 1: like like Serena was one of those people who would
Speaker 1: actually like get in there and like break her heart. Um,
Speaker 1: hence a lot of the drama that they developed between them.
Speaker 1: And so I feel like for Garrote, yeah, that would
Speaker 1: probably the one in the most dangerous relationships that, you know,
Speaker 1: if she was invested in Um and protecting Blair's heart. But,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that it's a little bit similar
Speaker 1: to the Chuck Relationship and right from Der Rhoda's point
Speaker 1: of view, as if de Roode is like, you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit removed, you know, and coming at it
Speaker 1: from a slightly more mature vantage point of just having
Speaker 1: had more life experience or whatever, that she could always
Speaker 1: be on team chuck because she knew that, as much
Speaker 1: as the bad stuff would happen between them, that there
Speaker 1: was fundamentally, yeah, that there was a real love and
Speaker 1: that things would be okay in the end, because in
Speaker 1: the end we're dealing with, you know, the highs and
Speaker 1: lows and of youthful love, right, and so I feel
Speaker 1: like she believed in it in a like a long
Speaker 1: game way, and I think she probably had a similar
Speaker 1: feeling about the friendship with Serena that, you know, she
Speaker 1: knew from being in her wise old age, however old
Speaker 1: she was, you know that they would be friends. You
Speaker 1: know down the line they would look back and laugh
Speaker 1: at all of these like really horrible things to each other.
Speaker 1: So I think that there was probably a little bit
Speaker 1: of sort of an emotional maturity to let let her
Speaker 1: you know, not and I also feel like de Roda
Speaker 1: probably also saw that. Like they really do love each other,
Speaker 1: Blair Serena love each other, but they're so different and
Speaker 1: the things that I think getting the way of their
Speaker 1: whether it's the jealousy or shadowing or trying to be
Speaker 1: it's it's it's wild to me because I'm also like,
Speaker 1: whatever you think Serena is doing to you, Blair, you
Speaker 1: don't even you're not even that person, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like you're just, you know, you're you're so
Speaker 1: far from what Serena is and Serena so far from Blair.
Speaker 1: So and maybe that's part of it. But it's also
Speaker 1: just funny because I think in high school, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a very hard time, but in my experience, when you
Speaker 1: do connect and find that with a girl and there
Speaker 1: isn't a jealousy and you do support each other and
Speaker 1: you have that. It's it's really a special thing. So
Speaker 1: I think Serena Blair have that. And again, it's a
Speaker 1: TV show. There's IT's entertainment. Obviously, like I'm like getting
Speaker 1: real deep. No, but it makes so much just very funny. Yeah, because,
Speaker 1: like I no matter how far down the road and
Speaker 1: life you get, it's like those high school experiences, that
Speaker 1: time of life, they affects you. Yeah, it's formative for reasons,
Speaker 1: because you're becoming who you are. You know, you find
Speaker 1: these kind of like heart, heart to heart connections when
Speaker 1: you're young. That can you know, that can have the longevity.
Speaker 1: And then, of course they have to go through all
Speaker 1: this like, you know, high school drama, because I feel
Speaker 1: like the reason we like gossip girl and other shows
Speaker 1: about high school experience, like even, you know, as adults
Speaker 1: and all kinds of different people like those shows, is
Speaker 1: because in high school that's when we are like only
Speaker 1: living our emotional lives, you know, like like our like
Speaker 1: the steaks of our hearts, everything, everything, everything, the love
Speaker 1: of your life, it's your best friend. It's the craziest dance.
Speaker 1: It's the craziest sport, it's the craziest essay and nothing's
Speaker 1: indulged by the responsibilities of, you know, life that later
Speaker 1: on kind of come come into play. It's like all
Speaker 1: everything is just it's just full throttle emotional living and
Speaker 1: like it's great to watch. You know, we can relate
Speaker 1: to it. You know, I love it. I love all
Speaker 1: this stuff. I totally and I again think that's where
Speaker 1: the writing on this show and even with the parents
Speaker 1: in the in the show, I'm finding now when I'm
Speaker 1: watching it, I'm like, Holy Shit, like what Kelly is,
Speaker 1: what lily is going through, from losing bart to trying
Speaker 1: to figure out this thing with Rufus and then to
Speaker 1: be like a step mom to chuck and then be
Speaker 1: there for Serena and Eric and then you know she's
Speaker 1: got Dan and Jenny. I'm like, Yo, are you super mom,
Speaker 1: because that's crazy. Yeah, and again they did such a
Speaker 1: good job of making sort of the you know, the
Speaker 1: older characters fully they exist on their own terms also.
Speaker 1: So it's I feel like sometimes when you look at
Speaker 1: a show that comes at you from a certain point
Speaker 1: of view, like this, the high school drama, then those
Speaker 1: parents are just sort of exist, you know, to bounce
Speaker 1: things off of. You know, they're just like Erpherl and
Speaker 1: here they have their own lives, their own insecurities and
Speaker 1: vulnerabilities and all that stuff. That shows you why they
Speaker 1: parent the way that they do and how it has
Speaker 1: an impact on their kids and how, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's a really complicated tapestry. They woke, which I think
Speaker 1: is was quite ingenious and like there's a reason why
Speaker 1: all kinds of people like the show. Like the reason.
Speaker 1: There's a reason why it's not just it only doesn't
Speaker 1: only resonate with, you know, private school kids. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: resonates with the IT resonates like people all over the
Speaker 1: age age gamut. Like even when I when I did
Speaker 1: the show, he used to be so surprised because, like,
Speaker 1: people would come up to me on this treat Um,
Speaker 1: you know that we're like dudes wearing business suits and
Speaker 1: they're like fifties and they'd be like row and I
Speaker 1: was like what do you watching the show? And I
Speaker 1: was like this, this is just a show for, you know,
Speaker 1: young kids who are living this experience. It's a show
Speaker 1: that resonates with a lot of people. So it's cool.
Speaker 1: They really did ye, writing, for sure, and there's like
Speaker 1: something to be said, even when it goes to the parents,
Speaker 1: if it's not like the flashy thing with Serena or
Speaker 1: the drama with Blair. You never you always want to
Speaker 1: see what's going on, because they always tied things together
Speaker 1: in this spider web way that like you didn't want
Speaker 1: to take your eyes off the TV. And then literally
Speaker 1: the episode will end and take the wildest turn and
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you not? Where would you come up
Speaker 1: with the ship? Yeah, and then when people were watching
Speaker 1: it live, they had to wait a whole week. I
Speaker 1: mean that's what it's wild to me. It's like when
Speaker 1: the fact that they, you know, created so much did
Speaker 1: that's drama and stuff. Yeah, you know, it's like effect that, Um,
Speaker 1: the original format was not binge watch and you had
Speaker 1: to wait a whole week to see, like what happens
Speaker 1: now with Ivy or whatever. You know, you're like, do
Speaker 1: you on other shows that you've done? You've done table reads. Right, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: can you imagine if we did table reads? Oh my God,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say I never took one on Gossiprol,
Speaker 1: but I guess nobody did. We never did. We never
Speaker 1: so interesting. I Tho. Wow, I've done table reads, one
Speaker 1: on every shiple I just thought it was always a
Speaker 1: table reading, unless you know sometimes an everyone's invited. But
Speaker 1: the never occurred to me that of course we didn't know.
Speaker 1: We never did it, and I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that was part of the reason that, like
Speaker 1: the writer's room was in l a at the time.
Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't really like zoom and all the things
Speaker 1: that we have now. Probably, but I also don't I
Speaker 1: also think it was probably better we didn't because just
Speaker 1: the energy and this stuff without like shifting and rewriting
Speaker 1: when you hear it out loud, I think it just worked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, yeah, you'd always be just like
Speaker 1: right on the ride. Yeah, right, exactly. I went to
Speaker 1: l a one time to the writer's rooms, like I
Speaker 1: went to visit them. I was happy to be in
Speaker 1: L A and I went to visit and that amount
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff on the white boards all around the room, storyboards,
Speaker 1: and I was like looking and I was like and
Speaker 1: they were like don't look over there, and I was
Speaker 1: like okay, I was like so nuts. It's just like
Speaker 1: every color marker on the storyboard, like it was every
Speaker 1: which way. Yeah, and you know, I mean it's a
Speaker 1: lot of episodes every year, a lot of Swiss and turns,
Speaker 1: a lot of characters and, like you said, I think
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things that they did so successfully
Speaker 1: is that they kept it was a real uh ensemble show,
Speaker 1: because all of the characters were interesting and we were
Speaker 1: invested in all of them. That wasn't like, you're right,
Speaker 1: there wasn't like the boring family that we didn't care
Speaker 1: about the week. You know that. You there wasn't the
Speaker 1: part where, like, I go to the bathroom during this part.
Speaker 1: It was always and that happened on a lot of shows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you just I just don't find that with gossip girl,
Speaker 1: like if Kelly and Rufus or bart or anyone in
Speaker 1: the Waldorf family comes on you, you're interested to see
Speaker 1: what's going to happen, because they dialed it in and
Speaker 1: connected the dots so brilliantly. Yeah, that you you didn't
Speaker 1: want to miss a beat, and I think that's what's really,
Speaker 1: really great. Yeah, and I know, I'm from listening to
Speaker 1: your podcast that, like you know, every actor has their
Speaker 1: own coping mechanisms for being an actor, you know, and
Speaker 1: what they do and how they you know, how they
Speaker 1: whether they're able to watch themselves or not or whatever.
Speaker 1: But like, you know, I happened to be one of
Speaker 1: those people that, mostly for probably unhealthy reasons, but I
Speaker 1: always watched what I always watched what I do because
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm always very secure about it. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: let me see how bad it is, and I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's not so bad. But Anyway, I was one of
Speaker 1: the people who watched. I watched Gossipearl as it was
Speaker 1: airing and like I was like a fan of the
Speaker 1: show and watching it. So I would show up on
Speaker 1: set and sometimes you know ed or or Laton or somebody,
Speaker 1: to be like how's the show? What's going on in
Speaker 1: the show? And I want to be like well, it's good,
Speaker 1: in fact this week, and it's like funny because I
Speaker 1: you know. So I was actually having a double experience
Speaker 1: because I was honestly working, but then I was also
Speaker 1: watching it like a fan, and also because my stuff
Speaker 1: was so, you know, I was in my kind of lane.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, often just in the
Speaker 1: Waldorf House and often in the only in certain storylines.
Speaker 1: So a lot of it was news to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I would get the scripts I was in,
Speaker 1: I didn't read all of them, and then I would
Speaker 1: see the show and I was into it, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's funny because now it's been a while, I
Speaker 1: should probably go and rewatch the whole thing too, because
Speaker 1: it's probably be you know, forgotten a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: You should, because it's wild. It's crazy. I forgot. There's
Speaker 1: stuff I'm in and I'm like, does she hook up
Speaker 1: with him? The other day my sisters like, Jessica, you
Speaker 1: played her. Did you kissed the guy or not? Honestly, don't, Rebo. So, no,
Speaker 1: what's common? Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, it's insane. All the
Speaker 1: sets were so great, like all the flowers, the flowers,
Speaker 1: oh my God, it was insane, those flowers, and I'd
Speaker 1: always be like all right, well, I'll take some at
Speaker 1: the end. If no one's gonna take up they're like
Speaker 1: take off. I would have like flowers all over my
Speaker 1: place in New York after that, because sometimes you could.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have the same flowers in the next scene
Speaker 1: or you know whatever, but the way it was just decorated.
Speaker 1: But I always loved coming to the to the Blair's house,
Speaker 1: like Vanessa had to go there. I always liked filming
Speaker 1: there a lot. Yeah, it was cool, it really was.
Speaker 1: And then and then the funny because, like I had
Speaker 1: a lot of experience with the you know, the cutlery
Speaker 1: and the tea toots and stuff. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: they had the nicest, obviously China and everything. And sometimes
Speaker 1: so I'm like kind of a discerning eye, for I
Speaker 1: can tell that pattern and that I've seen it swere
Speaker 1: in the world, like Oh, that's the Waldorf's China's real
Speaker 1: stuff there, which they never changed out. If it was
Speaker 1: like it was whatever, it was designer China, like what
Speaker 1: you know, everything, everything, you know, that's it was. Really
Speaker 1: that was probably the most taxing part of my job,
Speaker 1: was the fact that everything was so nice and real.
Speaker 1: So I often was carrying a tray. It was just
Speaker 1: like very, very often happened. And that stuff was heavy
Speaker 1: because it was like silver. And then I'd like the
Speaker 1: teapots and all this stuff, and so I would have
Speaker 1: these like heavy, heavy trays so that when we wrapped
Speaker 1: at the end, they said, you know, they're like, do
Speaker 1: you want to take something, and I was like, so
Speaker 1: I took up the biggest tray. That was kind of
Speaker 1: the Albatross of my experience. So I haven't it's like
Speaker 1: the silver tray with like feet on it and it's
Speaker 1: like really heavy and like, you know, Nice. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have any stuff like that in
Speaker 1: my life, so it kind of sticks out like a
Speaker 1: sore thumb in my in my house, but it's like
Speaker 1: I have this big old silver, fancy tray and I'm
Speaker 1: the other thing I took actually, was my head band,
Speaker 1: I love. Yeah, I was just kind of cute. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about that for a second. In a scene when
Speaker 1: you're holding those that ship is heavy and you can't
Speaker 1: you have to keep it in the same place, in
Speaker 1: the same spot, like Oh, I definitely had some problems sometimes,
Speaker 1: like clinking glasses, because my arms start shaking after like
Speaker 1: ten takes and then they're like hey, hey, you do
Speaker 1: not set the glass down out of your line. You're like, well,
Speaker 1: I have to set it down when she said uh,
Speaker 1: because I set it down when she said on nine times.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'll just like wait a beat and then
Speaker 1: you're like trying not to think about it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm actually like a real expert on the kind of minutia,
Speaker 1: technical life stuff, because of my scene work on gossip
Speaker 1: girl had to do with some sort of you know,
Speaker 1: tea service, food, you know, so that thing of like
Speaker 1: hitting the same mark with like putting down the plates
Speaker 1: and picking up the teacup and the business. Like I
Speaker 1: was always doing business, and so now if I ever
Speaker 1: work on any sets and they give me any business,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh the problems. People love me because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know just I always get it in the right spots,
Speaker 1: I'm picking it up the right dirt way, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like I had a lot of business and
Speaker 1: the one that was the hardest was kind of funny.
Speaker 1: It was there was a whole storyline where Blair got
Speaker 1: a bulldog. Handsome, yes, but was it because of school? Ever?
Speaker 1: I think so. It was with Yale, maybe. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was doing Yale. Yeah, and there was the bulldog and
Speaker 1: the bulldog came in and it was puppy, a teeny
Speaker 1: bulldog and was so cute and I had to carry it,
Speaker 1: you know, around and then that's like a difficult thing
Speaker 1: to do in a scene like, let's just be honest,
Speaker 1: a baby or a puppy. And this thing, ever, it's
Speaker 1: a difficult thing. Yeah, and he was already he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, fine at first, and then we took a
Speaker 1: hiatus for the holidays and when we came back to
Speaker 1: the same episode and that dog was like full grown,
Speaker 1: because it grew. And so then I had to carry
Speaker 1: it and it was so heavy and the man was
Speaker 1: like handing it to me and I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: this is such a because it was a big old
Speaker 1: bulldog and by that point my arms were like going numb.
Speaker 1: And then you're trying not to complain, because it's the
Speaker 1: dumb thing to complain about, but you're like, can we
Speaker 1: please speed this up or make a change, because this
Speaker 1: dog is on a wheel dy Oh my God. But
Speaker 1: did they only have one? They had that one and
Speaker 1: they thought for some reason they didn't think that it
Speaker 1: would change over the maybe they had another one of
Speaker 1: it or something, but whatever it was that if they
Speaker 1: were twins or brothers and they both grew up, because
Speaker 1: the continuity was weird, but they just like rolled with it.
Speaker 1: They just went with it. Yeah, because there was a
Speaker 1: there's a baby that comes along. Yeah, because I remember
Speaker 1: I had to Oh my God, it's and you also,
Speaker 1: for me, I like felt weird because I'm like does
Speaker 1: this bag? We even want to be here like them? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just like I had a birth scene, like I
Speaker 1: sided to give birth to my baby on a gossip
Speaker 1: girl and they handed me the newborn baby like to
Speaker 1: my arms and so, you know, then the smallest they
Speaker 1: can get, like you know with the Union, three months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so the mom was like I could see her.
Speaker 1: She was like she wasn't supposed to step into the set,
Speaker 1: so she was. The baby was carried from the mom
Speaker 1: to meet by like a baby nurse. By the way,
Speaker 1: if someone told me I can't be by my three
Speaker 1: month old child, I'd be like you can get out
Speaker 1: of here by yeah, and I can't. Looking at the
Speaker 1: mom thing, like is this? Who was this fun for?
Speaker 1: But I guess people like being on TV. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: but the baby, I remember being like Oh, and I
Speaker 1: was so uncomfortable about it because it was like so
Speaker 1: fresh of a baby and I was like I don't
Speaker 1: what the responsibility holding him, but you know, I was
Speaker 1: laying down. It was fine. They like said it and
Speaker 1: then they worked with a little a few minutes at
Speaker 1: a time, but I remember thinking like yeah, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: there were twins. One cries that they break the other
Speaker 1: one and I'm like, Oh my God. Yeah, so this
Speaker 1: woman had to bring her twins in from, you know,
Speaker 1: Long Island or remember that she had like a long commute.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, I forgot that the ROADA had a baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had too, because I had the one that was
Speaker 1: like season three I think, and then that I was
Speaker 1: pregnant when I got married to the Vanya character, and
Speaker 1: then I had another one later, which was purely a
Speaker 1: plot device because there was like a reveal with like
Speaker 1: a pregnancy test in a trash can. But they I
Speaker 1: forget if you thought it was Blair or Serena or something.
Speaker 1: It was like and then it turned out to be
Speaker 1: me again, just popping babies out, taking practice test in
Speaker 1: Blair's bathroom for some reason. But you know, wait, who's
Speaker 1: The dad all the time? Well, it was Bonnia, all
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, well, mine, Yeah, Mine, mine was Bonya because,
Speaker 1: like the reason we got married because I was pregnant
Speaker 1: with his baby and then and then we had a
Speaker 1: second baby later. But yeah, but yeah, but there was
Speaker 1: other babies to Georgina had a baby. That was baby
Speaker 1: was pretty present. I think. I can't remember. There was
Speaker 1: another baby's too? Yeah, because my babies were only there
Speaker 1: a couple of times, but it was still fair. How
Speaker 1: about Rufus and really having a baby, another child? Right?
Speaker 1: It's like so nice that you're watching it back in order,
Speaker 1: because it's like yeah, all those things, I know all
Speaker 1: of this stuff that happened. No, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: remember all of it, but it's like all one big soup. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: let's just do this, because I'm having so much fun
Speaker 1: with you. Who would who do we like to see
Speaker 1: each other with? We obviously like chuck and Blair. I
Speaker 1: like chucking Blair. whould you like to see Serena with
Speaker 1: Serena and Dan? No, I think Serena. Didn't Serena and
Speaker 1: nate have a thing at one point at the beginning?
Speaker 1: Wasn't the first one? Yes, I think that was in
Speaker 1: the bar at the YEP. I feel like I like
Speaker 1: that just just for starters. But Um, I really liked
Speaker 1: Vanessa and Dan. So I feel like the original setup,
Speaker 1: you know, from those first seasons, like you know, when
Speaker 1: everyone kind of found their love matches. I always kind
Speaker 1: of got stuff on those. I feel like that's the
Speaker 1: only person that works for Vanessa. There and really, when
Speaker 1: I'm watching it now, I'm like they're just very similar.
Speaker 1: They like the same thing. Yeah, it just made sense
Speaker 1: because we're like they're cute together. You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: It's like I used to always say to people. Look,
Speaker 1: like people always ask me about, you know, stuff on
Speaker 1: the set and all the actors and whatever, and I
Speaker 1: would always say about you, I would say she's the
Speaker 1: sweetest person and she's the most beautiful person I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in person. I was like the fact that nobody's
Speaker 1: always feel like it's really crazy, like when you walk
Speaker 1: in the room, people are like because they are so
Speaker 1: striking and you have such a beautiful heart that like
Speaker 1: radiates three or so. You're just like a lovely human.
Speaker 1: So I used to always tell the village you were
Speaker 1: the one that when anybody asked me, like who's the
Speaker 1: most beautiful person? Who got the girl world, they're like
Speaker 1: you're like just, Oh my God, you are the sweetest.
Speaker 1: That makes me so happy. So I always like to
Speaker 1: see Vanessa happy too. I was a big fan of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: feel like, Vanessa, get it, get you got it, get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so sweet of you. It's funny you say that
Speaker 1: because like even when I just saw your face pop
Speaker 1: up on here before we went, like your skin is fawless,
Speaker 1: you have the biggest heart, you're so sweet and lovely
Speaker 1: and when you see your smile and everything, you're so
Speaker 1: warm and beautiful and like literally what you did for
Speaker 1: a character that didn't have lines, like that's how beautiful
Speaker 1: and amazing and talented you are. So when you're saying that,
Speaker 1: that just made me feel so warm and happy and
Speaker 1: I love you for saying that and appreciate it. Well,
Speaker 1: I really do think that this show like really part
Speaker 1: of the magic of it, like the reason that people
Speaker 1: still really are moved by it and just love it
Speaker 1: to death. It's like is the human contact. These characters
Speaker 1: are fleshed out by just the right people and it
Speaker 1: has the right kind of chemistry amongst the cast and
Speaker 1: that charisma that the individual actors bringing their individual ways,
Speaker 1: and it's it's like everything is sort of in its
Speaker 1: right place, you know, and like every character is brought
Speaker 1: to life by the right human and like so it works,
Speaker 1: and so then people really love it and it's lasting because,
Speaker 1: like you can tell, like there are a lot of
Speaker 1: shows and whatever years were or whatever it was would
Speaker 1: finished doing this, you know, and not all of them
Speaker 1: still have the same kind of Fan Fervor and commitment,
Speaker 1: you know, but I think it's personally because these characters
Speaker 1: are really like fleshed out with love. Yeah, it's got
Speaker 1: to be the craziest thing for like Josh and Stephanie
Speaker 1: to take this, you know, get option the books, make
Speaker 1: it into a TV series, go to the network and
Speaker 1: just really have the faith with the casting, with the cast,
Speaker 1: with the producers, with you know, wardrobe, hair and makeup,
Speaker 1: the camera. You just have to have faith that it's
Speaker 1: going to work, and I think they did a good job.
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, right, yeah, you see, like people so
Speaker 1: excited about it, you know, who are newly watching it,
Speaker 1: like young people now who are watching it, and then
Speaker 1: people who watching it, who like still hold it dear
Speaker 1: after all this time and continue to watch it or
Speaker 1: have some connection to it. You know, it's cool and
Speaker 1: people have Um, you know, they kind of grew up
Speaker 1: on it a certain way and saw themselves reflected in
Speaker 1: one way or another. or or was it or it
Speaker 1: was escapism. I think it's a good mix of the
Speaker 1: two things because, like, for sure, you know, there's things
Speaker 1: people relate to you, but it's also this fantastical other,
Speaker 1: the world of like Glamour and yeah, flashy, Flash, yeah,
Speaker 1: all the things the city, these vibes. Do you know what?
Speaker 1: We were just in Charleston. This girl came up to
Speaker 1: me and she said, I just have to tell you.
Speaker 1: She said, I'm losing my mom to cancer and the
Speaker 1: only thing it's gonna make me cry, it gets me through,
Speaker 1: is watching gossip girl. And I'm like the fact that
Speaker 1: like we can do something when someone's literally having like
Speaker 1: a life or death situation, to give them a moment,
Speaker 1: it's like really beautiful. It is beautiful. No, it absolutely
Speaker 1: makes sense and people, I mean it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: that feeling when it's most like you can be with
Speaker 1: your your extended family or your friends, you know, and
Speaker 1: it has the quality of a show where you can
Speaker 1: always go in and kind of get away from things
Speaker 1: for a little bit and feel connected to another story
Speaker 1: and uh, and it means a lot and the fact
Speaker 1: that those people, there are so many people that are
Speaker 1: touched and moved by in that it's important to them
Speaker 1: and every time I meet someone like that that's a
Speaker 1: really special gift and it's like one of those things
Speaker 1: about being an actor. That's like beyond imagine. Night you're like,
Speaker 1: how lucky might I get to do such a fun
Speaker 1: job that I love so much, and it's like insane
Speaker 1: to me that I ever get to do it? And
Speaker 1: then the fact that I not only did I get
Speaker 1: to do it, but I got to be I got
Speaker 1: to walk around inside of that world that other people,
Speaker 1: you know, really like to visit and be connected with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's huge and, like we talked about before, like this
Speaker 1: is a show that wouldn't be what it is if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for the fans and the way that it
Speaker 1: came into the Zite guys, because the fans really wrote
Speaker 1: the show and they made the show, because this show
Speaker 1: was right on the precipice of writers listening to their audience,
Speaker 1: a dialogue, you know, because people were, we're reviewing it
Speaker 1: and writing about it online and social media was starting,
Speaker 1: and so all of a sudden it's a show that
Speaker 1: is really owned by the fans in a way that
Speaker 1: it's really special, because it was one of the first
Speaker 1: shows that actually listened to its own audience, you know. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes my day and people always say him, I'm
Speaker 1: starting to bother you them like, are you kidding? And
Speaker 1: makes my day because it makes me feel like I
Speaker 1: did something of some kind of value to somebody. And
Speaker 1: also it's just a thrill, you know, it's a thrill,
Speaker 1: and it's a thrill to be a part of anything
Speaker 1: that touches them. You know. Yeah, totally. It's it's wild
Speaker 1: and it's like what you're saying, like the support from
Speaker 1: the fans made the show keep going. All right, I
Speaker 1: just got really emotions, I know, and I was already
Speaker 1: like stopping with my allergies, but it's true. It's like
Speaker 1: because it's so funny too, because, like you, you will
Speaker 1: get this, like actors too, there's like certain people that
Speaker 1: like take our stuff way too seriously, right, and we
Speaker 1: should like we you can take out a role and
Speaker 1: it is our job and be defending, but like we're
Speaker 1: not carrying anything, we're not like saving people's lives, but
Speaker 1: if we could give people a moment to like connect
Speaker 1: or feel something or laugh for a minute or get
Speaker 1: through something that they're going through for storylines that they're watching,
Speaker 1: that's what we do, why we love what we do
Speaker 1: and like beyond me. Yeah, and it's amazing because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody has their you know, I guess they're calling or
Speaker 1: their their gifts and like if you know, this is ours.
Speaker 1: And then it's like we have to take our job
Speaker 1: seriously and we can't take ourselves seriously. But what we
Speaker 1: can do is like the gratitude aspect. We can take
Speaker 1: that part seriously so we can be like look, it's
Speaker 1: really freaking cool that we are in something that means
Speaker 1: something to people. Like thank you, thank you, universe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think in that with with the writers and
Speaker 1: producers and what they did with the show, I think
Speaker 1: that's part of it, because there was so much heart
Speaker 1: in it. It wasn't just because there's Times I get
Speaker 1: a script and I'm like, well, these people are just
Speaker 1: trying to make a hit. And, by the way, I
Speaker 1: read a ton of scripts that are beautifully written and
Speaker 1: great too, but there's times where I'm like, okay, they're
Speaker 1: just it's not about making a hit. It's not about
Speaker 1: trying to make something successful. Something becomes successful when there's
Speaker 1: heart in it across the board. To itself, yes, and
Speaker 1: across the board like even our camera guys and everyone
Speaker 1: on the show, like every ankle right, no pun intended,
Speaker 1: but like every part of the show, every piece of
Speaker 1: the puzzle, from our drivers to our security guards, to
Speaker 1: crafty to hair and makeup, like everyone cared fully, everyone
Speaker 1: poured their hard into it and I think it really
Speaker 1: came through not just on screen on set, in in
Speaker 1: the fittings, in the trailers. I just ran into an
Speaker 1: extra that was for four years. He was like I
Speaker 1: basically was there every day and I said, Oh my God,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. It's years, and he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I have not been on a set like that again,
Speaker 1: where it was like a family and people talked to
Speaker 1: the background and like the background what makes the show too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not one party scene that works without every background in.
Speaker 1: And that was a huge background show too, because it
Speaker 1: had so much. There were so many festivities and and no,
Speaker 1: we did have we had people who were background and
Speaker 1: stand ins that were there for season after season after season,
Speaker 1: which I think is unusual right, because most people moving through. No,
Speaker 1: I definitely had that vibe too, and for me it
Speaker 1: was the first show I've ever been on for, you know,
Speaker 1: other than just a little drop in, so to see
Speaker 1: how the feeling of that world developed and, you know,
Speaker 1: and at first I felt a little bit trepidaciously. I
Speaker 1: mean I was like, I don't know exactly when I
Speaker 1: started feeling in the ownership over it or feeling like
Speaker 1: it was my show too. You know, I always felt
Speaker 1: a little concerned about it. Um, I didn't know how
Speaker 1: to be but it was like, you know, when I
Speaker 1: was you know, I always felt like I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, and then it was it was because
Speaker 1: of Layton and, you know, she would always make sure
Speaker 1: I felt like, yeah, I know, I was part of
Speaker 1: the goings on, and so it was like finally, when
Speaker 1: I kind of looked around, I was like, Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: a part of this family and I'm doing this. It
Speaker 1: was like such a thrill and it was like kind
Speaker 1: of snuck up on me almost, you know. So it
Speaker 1: was you know, but it's still continues and even seeing
Speaker 1: seeing you recently and now talking to you today, it's
Speaker 1: like it's amazing because, like you know, it still feels
Speaker 1: really like an important part of my life. You know
Speaker 1: that Um always carried with me, I know, and just
Speaker 1: even when we were all just there in Charleston, like
Speaker 1: even just like it also felt like none of us
Speaker 1: skipped a beat, right, right. Yeah, I also love the
Speaker 1: fact that like I love when I'm watching things and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, here's chase just like absolutely murdering it
Speaker 1: on this you know, cool gass show called the boys,
Speaker 1: or you know, and I'm yeah, and it's like a or,
Speaker 1: you know, pen on you or I'm always so thrilled
Speaker 1: for everyone to see what they're doing and and what
Speaker 1: how their lives have changed, especially because, like, even though
Speaker 1: I wasn't so much older than everyone, I was like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a generational step aside from from
Speaker 1: you guys, just being in my late twenties versus early
Speaker 1: twenties when we started. So now seeing people have like
Speaker 1: babies and this whole other phase of life. I'm like
Speaker 1: everybody's adults, so weird. You know. That's like so cool.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the feeling or when you knew kind
Speaker 1: of like Whoa the show hit? In a way, I
Speaker 1: just feel like all of a sudden, one day we
Speaker 1: showed up and it was like security guards and like
Speaker 1: fans and Paparazzi and it was like overwhelming. People are
Speaker 1: like was it exciting? I'm like no, it was kind
Speaker 1: of like scary, right. No, I mean it was really
Speaker 1: interesting to be on a show that you know was
Speaker 1: filming before. Yeah, I guess it always happened to me,
Speaker 1: but the fact that we were filming x amount of
Speaker 1: episodes before it ever aired and then they're like what
Speaker 1: is this gonna be like? And then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it's airing and then all of a sudden it's
Speaker 1: this like hot thing. So yeah, watching that transition, I
Speaker 1: always felt a little bit like I was watching it
Speaker 1: the side a little bit. I remember having a feeling
Speaker 1: that so many of the actors, you know, playing the
Speaker 1: principal roles, had had already storied and long careers as
Speaker 1: such young people, you know, it'd already been in in
Speaker 1: Hollywood or, you know, working since a very young age,
Speaker 1: and so to see people kind of get the for
Speaker 1: lack of a better word, like the payoff or like
Speaker 1: kind of hit it, you know, it was really fun
Speaker 1: moment to see. But also than watching, than the specifics
Speaker 1: of what that looks like. It is weird. It's weird
Speaker 1: all of a sudden that you know there has to
Speaker 1: be security and it's weird that there's so many people,
Speaker 1: because I remember always Um when we're on location and
Speaker 1: like if I was walking, you know, with Layton Everth
Speaker 1: Blake or something and people we're coming for autographs or pictures.
Speaker 1: It's not that anyone doesn't want to give them out,
Speaker 1: it's just that there was an unending tide of people.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden you're like, well, you can't. The
Speaker 1: security guard was there, because you couldn't stop with that
Speaker 1: if you'd never get ten steps ahead. And I've never
Speaker 1: seen anything like that in my life. So I was
Speaker 1: like Whoa. And so that was interesting. And watching those
Speaker 1: those you know kind of big burly guys who have
Speaker 1: to like push young ladies aside. You know it was
Speaker 1: not but it was. And then, like you remember when,
Speaker 1: like when the guys would come out of the trailer,
Speaker 1: like pen or chase or ed or Oh man connor,
Speaker 1: like they'd come out and the girls would scream and
Speaker 1: be like a piercing like beetles, like the Beatles, like
Speaker 1: from the like. I would be in an old like
Speaker 1: how the videos have gotten excited about the Beatles and yeah,
Speaker 1: and we would be like hollowly crap. And there would
Speaker 1: be times too. I remember on the Upper East side,
Speaker 1: I think baby ed and I one time like walked
Speaker 1: over to the crowd of people. We said Hey, we
Speaker 1: will um and do any hugger autograph after but can
Speaker 1: you just not scream so we can get through the scene,
Speaker 1: like we want to go home, you want to go home,
Speaker 1: we want to meet you. And they were so respectful
Speaker 1: and amazing once they kind of understood, like okay, let's help.
Speaker 1: That was like red. But there was one one day
Speaker 1: where we were like going to not make the day
Speaker 1: because of how excited they were. And and then like
Speaker 1: on the on the flip of it, like if I
Speaker 1: put myself at ten years old and I'm walk out
Speaker 1: of my school and, you know, nine, O, two and
Speaker 1: O was filming, like I'd probably be like, Oh my God,
Speaker 1: I want to go say hi. I don't, I don't
Speaker 1: know that I would, you know. So on the flip
Speaker 1: I'm like they're just excited and great, but sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just about like understanding, you know, the flip, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: we can't get mad and have like an a d
Speaker 1: go yell at a ten year old. But like yeah,
Speaker 1: but I do remember like the Paparazzi, things like I've
Speaker 1: never seen before because I was not my world, and
Speaker 1: so watching the Paparazzi on set, like the fact that
Speaker 1: they would be so destructive and like like not discreet
Speaker 1: at all and the fact that there would be like
Speaker 1: full shots ruined because of like, uh, you know, photographers
Speaker 1: would get mad at they didn't get close enough and
Speaker 1: then they would go and mess up a shot by
Speaker 1: like standing in the back of it, you know, and
Speaker 1: I would just see that all the time. But they
Speaker 1: were like that. Sometimes they were deliberately doing that. They
Speaker 1: would go o're like, Oh my God, we can't even
Speaker 1: shoot right now. You'd almost have to like feed need it,
Speaker 1: you know, they had so we can work. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: such a weird thing, as I remember that. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: me it was like I remember there was a episode
Speaker 1: we're actually feeding ducks in central park and it was
Speaker 1: I just love that line. We're just feeding duck wing
Speaker 1: D coming, no big deal, but they were actually it's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things about you and Blair, though. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know the feeding ducks well and we had at
Speaker 1: once and where they actually brought in ducks like they
Speaker 1: were like after ducks, you know. They were like Um
Speaker 1: professional ducks. So the guy had like a trainer brought
Speaker 1: them and he put them in the pond with like
Speaker 1: the normal ducks. They was like it was so funny
Speaker 1: because the one group of ducks was very well behaved
Speaker 1: and so we had like actor ducks and then one
Speaker 1: of the ducks, the trainer was like showing us the
Speaker 1: duck and like the Layton was like kind of holding
Speaker 1: it and I was like petting it and the Paparata
Speaker 1: took a picture and it was like in people magazine
Speaker 1: and it was a picture of like Layton holding the
Speaker 1: duck and kind of like half my face and I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna Properustiot People magazine.
Speaker 1: That was like the moment where I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is really exciting for me. Um, so that was
Speaker 1: it was like my arm. I just also loved that
Speaker 1: there's like actor ducks, like actor ducks and yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but I do remember like taking the subway and stuff like.
Speaker 1: Probably we're like into season two or the kind of one,
Speaker 1: stoda started having a little more of a storyline and
Speaker 1: I'd see people looking at me and I was like Oh, like,
Speaker 1: I'm being recognized, like the first feelings of ever being recognized,
Speaker 1: you know, for a TV part. Like I remember the
Speaker 1: visceral feeling of that and it was like very it was.
Speaker 1: It's never I mean because of you know my my position.
Speaker 1: I'm at a different mantage point than you guys. But like, Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's never been personally overwhelming because it's always been
Speaker 1: a kind of minor so it's always only a thrill,
Speaker 1: you know. But I've seen it on the on the
Speaker 1: big scale, or it's a little freaky, but for me
Speaker 1: it's always Um, it's always in these little bite sized pieces.
Speaker 1: That just makes me feel like, oh, cool. But also,
Speaker 1: when you say bite sized pieces, I feel like you're
Speaker 1: like the whole, like pizza, because people literally you're like
Speaker 1: a fan favorite, like people come undone. That's why, like
Speaker 1: when I saw you and my girl and you're like
Speaker 1: your podcast is like from like day one, but like,
Speaker 1: like you would have been one of the first five
Speaker 1: episodes for sure, and everyone, to not just fans, like
Speaker 1: the cast, to the writers, like love like you're like
Speaker 1: people may be discreet fans on the street is they're nervous,
Speaker 1: but like you really really are people's like favor we
Speaker 1: we read the things, the reviews, and that that goes.
Speaker 1: You're you literally had an audition where you didn't have
Speaker 1: words to do cripple your age, and you managed to
Speaker 1: then have a full bowed character that people like love
Speaker 1: and adore and it's so red, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: you're gonna probably to be like, come on, just I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to ask. Can You? Can you do like
Speaker 1: one or two lines as Deroda, like talking to Blair? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny because like, Um, people to ask you. Ye,
Speaker 1: people ask me all the time, and so it's like
Speaker 1: I always I can never remember like a line to say,
Speaker 1: but I always yeah, but the accent I can do. Um,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'd probably get it the most. It
Speaker 1: was always funny when when Ed and I were in
Speaker 1: a scene together. I'm always think we're the two people
Speaker 1: not seeking in our own accent, and we had there
Speaker 1: like that split second before we enter, to like just
Speaker 1: um the line people always want me to say, which
Speaker 1: I think is so weird, as they always want me
Speaker 1: to say God is always watched Miss Blair, and it's
Speaker 1: which when she was master, yes, which I think it's
Speaker 1: such a weird thing is people always want me to
Speaker 1: say it to them and I'm like that's a masturbating
Speaker 1: God always watching Miss Blair. Um, there was something about chalk.
Speaker 1: You gotta do with you talk. Okay, all right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mr Chuck. Um, I defriend Mr Chuck in facebook and life. Wait,
Speaker 1: over time. I defriend Mr Chuck in facebook and life.
Speaker 1: By the way. Was it written like that? I think so.
Speaker 1: I can't I think I might him got a little
Speaker 1: bit wrong just now, but yeah, it was deep friend
Speaker 1: in facebook and life. Yeah, Oh my God, Mr Chu Chuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now do you? Obviously you could just turn it on.
Speaker 1: I find that fascinating. Yeah, it's fun because like, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mr Chuck, Miss Blair, like the once you stick a
Speaker 1: mist a miss on it, that'll do it. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: did you? Was it written that way or did you
Speaker 1: do that the script? Was it? It was usually written.
Speaker 1: I mean the miss, miss and Mr stuff was in there,
Speaker 1: but I would sometimes push it a little bit more
Speaker 1: to the accent. Um, but it was. It was pretty
Speaker 1: much set up for that. It's funny because I did
Speaker 1: a cameo on the new gossip girl, um, with Aaron.
Speaker 1: I wanted. I wanted to ask, but I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: if we could talk about it. Oh, yeah, well, no,
Speaker 1: we did it. Um. It was the Hanukah episode of
Speaker 1: the first, you know, season. I guess they're filming the
Speaker 1: second season now, and we came in for that UH,
Speaker 1: like a dinner party that we would have been invited
Speaker 1: to by miss by Blair's mom and by eleanor and Cyrus,
Speaker 1: and so it was Margaret, wally mean and Aaron, me
Speaker 1: and Aaron that were like return for that episode and
Speaker 1: there was a line that I was supposed to say
Speaker 1: and it said Ms Waldorf, and so I went up
Speaker 1: and I was like, excuse me, I was like Dorontas,
Speaker 1: Miss Eleanor, but I was like, I was like it's
Speaker 1: been a lot of years, so you don't remember. But
Speaker 1: I was like no, dorona would never say an swaller up.
Speaker 1: She would say yeah, and so I like got them
Speaker 1: to change it a little because I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a certain way that I'm right. Of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was weird to step back into. And
Speaker 1: so are you? You sound literally perfect, do you? Are
Speaker 1: you good with all accents? Um? No, I mean I
Speaker 1: do a lot of eastern European. I like Russian, and
Speaker 1: you know, on people understand this, it's very, very hard,
Speaker 1: like very hard. Well, those things, those ones are like
Speaker 1: kind of more in my wheelhouse. And then you know,
Speaker 1: I've tried French and other western European ones, but I'm
Speaker 1: not as comfortable with that. I'm not very good with British.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the one thing I wish I was
Speaker 1: better at. Um, but I feel like my well also British,
Speaker 1: just like there's so many different accents. Like the UK
Speaker 1: is quite small, like so many different sounds, and England
Speaker 1: and and there's so many accents there. Like you think
Speaker 1: of America and there's like a Texas accent and Louisiana
Speaker 1: like a southern accent. There's like so many different ones,
Speaker 1: and then there's New York and then there's the midwestern.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it's like Um some of them. I
Speaker 1: watch a lot of like BBC stuff and like British
Speaker 1: shows and it's like sometimes I've turned the subtitles on
Speaker 1: it's talking about like what. I'm just watching something that
Speaker 1: was set in whales and I was like what, you know,
Speaker 1: so it's it's wild. But yeah, they based in European accents.
Speaker 1: Stuff kind of comes. Yeah, what's Aaron's accent on? Aaron
Speaker 1: is supposed to be Russian but UM, okay, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was his first time working with that accent on Gospel.
Speaker 1: So he called like a buddy and he was like
Speaker 1: from Belarus or something and had a little bit of
Speaker 1: a little session to get that one up to part. But,
Speaker 1: you know, he and I would always talk about the
Speaker 1: fact that, like you know, there's a good mix of,
Speaker 1: you know, wanting to be real and then also having
Speaker 1: fun with it. So those characters are fun characters. And
Speaker 1: so a lot of times, like even I would like
Speaker 1: air on this side of making a slightly funnier choice
Speaker 1: than always being like down to the brass tacks of
Speaker 1: being like absolutely authentic. So sometimes I would lean into
Speaker 1: the fuy sound. But you know, it's like my between
Speaker 1: my two parents in a very different way of expressing themselves.
Speaker 1: You know, both had a thick Polish accent. But so
Speaker 1: I'll steal a little bit of this or that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like you're making it your own. But I had
Speaker 1: a couple of scenes in the show where I got
Speaker 1: to speak in Polish for a moment. Like there was
Speaker 1: a scene that I kind of lose it on Mr
Speaker 1: Chuck because he tries to like buy me off or
Speaker 1: something something. And so yeah, it's me and it's me
Speaker 1: and chuck and Serena and we're and there's a scene
Speaker 1: I kind of turn on them and I'm so enraged
Speaker 1: that I start yelling at him in Polish and in
Speaker 1: that scene they kind of let me translate it. They
Speaker 1: kind of let me write my own Polish lines, but
Speaker 1: I worked on it really hard because I wanted it
Speaker 1: to be while we're seeing, because I know people in
Speaker 1: Poland watched the show. They have, you know, they haven't Poland.
Speaker 1: So I wanted Polish people to be proud of me.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I wanted to nail it and
Speaker 1: get really perfect. Do People like freak when they hear
Speaker 1: you talk without the accent, only knowing you as de Rota,
Speaker 1: like a fan? That's the yeah, number one thing that
Speaker 1: they say, are you? And I was like you don't
Speaker 1: have an accent, you know, and then they always say
Speaker 1: I look much younger too, and even even now that
Speaker 1: I'm older than I was, now, I'm like, they still
Speaker 1: say I was younger. So the thing, everyone looks so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, when I saw you guys, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody looks at you know, it's insane. Well, there's a
Speaker 1: reason that everybody so in the Biz, I guess. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like you look amazing. Like I
Speaker 1: kept being like, are we all drinking. Like I say,
Speaker 1: we put myself right in there well, drinking the same
Speaker 1: water because, like chase looks lat and lake. It's like
Speaker 1: everyone's almost aging backwards. It's wild. Oh yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: think that everyone just looks really good. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's definitely true. And it's like chase is another one
Speaker 1: that like I used to like. You know, he would
Speaker 1: walk in the room and be like Whoa, and I
Speaker 1: saw him, you know, a couple of weeks ago when
Speaker 1: we were together, and I was like yeah, the same,
Speaker 1: same old thing. I was like, he's a you're like
Speaker 1: drops out of some kind of cloud from heaven and honestly,
Speaker 1: people probably get so sick of anyone who comes on
Speaker 1: and we talked about this. So sorry, guys. He's also
Speaker 1: just the nicest person. Yeah, he's so sweet and I
Speaker 1: used to love it, like when we would go to events,
Speaker 1: like if there was like a party or, you know,
Speaker 1: some sort of organized thing and they would be out
Speaker 1: in a public place and he would always like chat
Speaker 1: with me and make me feel cool because like all
Speaker 1: the girls were trying to chat with him and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the old Polish housekeeper, but I
Speaker 1: was like, chase is talking to me. You know, he
Speaker 1: always was very nice to me and like, you know,
Speaker 1: because I feel like way, like part of what I
Speaker 1: was saying was because I was playing Grota and you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't there all the time and you know, so
Speaker 1: I had that slight feeling of like not knowing, you know,
Speaker 1: not feeling too probably really didn't have that many scenes
Speaker 1: with with nate, really, no, and not you know. You know,
Speaker 1: I always felt a little bit not shy, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's a little tentative. And so it was all the
Speaker 1: individual people sort of reaching out and, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of taking care of me in a sweet way. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Blake was always that way with me too,
Speaker 1: where it was like, you know, kind of made me
Speaker 1: feel like I was part of the team. Chase and
Speaker 1: Ed both always for like that, and pen too. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like we had lots of fun
Speaker 1: chats and you know, I was made to feel like
Speaker 1: up here instead of just like, you know, some old housekeepers.
Speaker 1: That's saying. Everyone loves, loves you so much, even too,
Speaker 1: like when Layton just came out the Orbelle, she's like
Speaker 1: I still talk to all the time. She's she's the
Speaker 1: best I'm like she's yeah, yeah, it's great, and it's
Speaker 1: like we had Um, you know, you have all that
Speaker 1: off time and, you know, time in between scenes, and
Speaker 1: I feel like I got, you know, so many interesting
Speaker 1: friendships and chance to really meet people on that show
Speaker 1: that I still hold very close to my heart, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like that made it so much fun. You know,
Speaker 1: even when you were sitting around waiting, there was always
Speaker 1: some kind of fun chat or hanging out in somebody's
Speaker 1: dressing room. You know, it wasn't a very solitary experienced
Speaker 1: the way it is on some sets. You know, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I too think we were all experiencing something together too.
Speaker 1: It was experience like New York together, experiencing the way
Speaker 1: the show was hitting. There was just so much that
Speaker 1: we were all doing together, whether we knew it or not.
Speaker 1: What I mean? Yeah, and it's interesting to see, you know,
Speaker 1: how it show kind of takes off and becomes its
Speaker 1: own sort of little spaceship and everybody else over the
Speaker 1: ride with it and everyone just like, okay, buck up here.
Speaker 1: We kind of love hearing your stories, like from from
Speaker 1: the podcast, you know, the stories of you guys having
Speaker 1: the sort of home mass with the guys have being
Speaker 1: roommates and, you know, just had and find that it's
Speaker 1: almost like going to college and like you have to
Speaker 1: find your you know, your home away from home, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like that. If that being you know,
Speaker 1: being a young person kind of going into a different
Speaker 1: landscape and then like having a wild experience together. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the the kind of way that you have
Speaker 1: to bond and and hold each other up through that
Speaker 1: and make it fun and memorable. You know. So it's
Speaker 1: those stories are really cool. It's yeah, it's just been
Speaker 1: a trip and that's why this has just been so fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I love that you're doing this podcast because I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, firstly, I mean podcasts are are
Speaker 1: the thing. I like with that part, I'm like, how
Speaker 1: did I live without podcast I like it was like
Speaker 1: such an important part of my daily life. And then, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, the show still lives and has all this,
Speaker 1: you know, this huge fan base that continues to grow,
Speaker 1: and so it's nice to have a tribute to it
Speaker 1: in a place to sort of talk about it and
Speaker 1: kind of get the behind the scenes stuff. And then also,
Speaker 1: I think it's nice because, you know, we have the
Speaker 1: new gossip girl in the world. Um, and Old Gospel
Speaker 1: has its own sort of D N A and obviously
Speaker 1: they're connected, but it's it's nice that the popularity the
Speaker 1: new one can help reinspire people to just to rediscover
Speaker 1: the old one as well. So it's nice because it's
Speaker 1: all kind of working together. You know. I think that's great, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, Um, well, you're you are, you're in New York,
Speaker 1: so you're probably like, let me get to my Friday evening.
Speaker 1: You know, this has been so fun to talk to you.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I got to sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: thank you and see your face recently and also to
Speaker 1: be a part of this, because I've been a fan
Speaker 1: of the podcast. The fact that I've here is like
Speaker 1: a thrill to me. So, yeah, I just want to
Speaker 1: express my gratitude to you and also my admiration. I
Speaker 1: mean not only a big fan of your work and
Speaker 1: you as a human, but also I think you're a
Speaker 1: tremendous podcaster and I really like, I love what you're
Speaker 1: making here, so it's my honor to be part of it.
Speaker 1: You are just a yeah, but a human. Thank you.
Speaker 1: You're so sweet. Thank you so much. Happy that you
Speaker 1: came on and when I come to New York, let's
Speaker 1: do the tour. Yeah, that'd be really fun and we can,
Speaker 1: we can. Yeah, it'll be a trip. Well, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Thank you very much, Susanna. It was so
Speaker 1: awesome to finally get you on the podcast, girl, and
Speaker 1: thank you so much for giving the many, many Drota
Speaker 1: fans such a treat. I can't wait for a tour.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited and in the meat time I'M gonna
Speaker 1: go watch more of the gilded age and keep up
Speaker 1: with everything that you've got going on, and everyone listening
Speaker 1: you should do the same thing now. Catch you all
Speaker 1: next week for another episode of X O X O.
Speaker 1: we'll be back to the rewatches, picking up with season
Speaker 1: two episode. Until next time, x x O, x o
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Speaker 1: Our Show is executive produced by Lingley. Our producers are
Speaker 1: Diego Tapia, Kristin Vermilia, Emily Carr and Hannah Harris. ORIGINAL
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