1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: And welcome back Paul Wild with us, George Norrie back 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 2: with you. Paul's website is linked up at Coast tocoastam 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: dot com. Paul, what was that deciding moment for Jim 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: Morrison that led him towards the doors with Retmanseric? 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 3: Well, like I said, he you know, he didn't want 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 3: to go to New York work at Jonas Mekas the 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 3: film the album Guard, filmmaker he loved, and so he 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 3: moved to Venice Beach and Santa Monica, started sleeping out 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 3: of the Santa Monica Peer and that's when he started 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 3: to h to open his mind up. He was taking 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 3: a lot of LSD n F l ST though probably 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 3: put most of us into a mental hospital at Cooma. Yeah, exactly, 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 3: and he was opening up his his his consciousness. He 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 3: was he was breaking on through. The song that he 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 3: wrote is just all about that is break on through 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: to that, to that other side, to that other reality 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: that he was. 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 4: In touch with. 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 3: And he didn't want to get a job, and he 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: was able to get his way, I find a way 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: out of not being drafted because he was classified A 23 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: one at the time, and he was able to get 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: out of that. He did not want to go into Hollywood. 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 3: He hated Hollywood. He thought Hollway movies were sir for 26 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: the masses. But he had to find a way to 27 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 3: express himself. And I don't think he really wanted to 28 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 3: just simply be a beat nick poet in Venice Beach, 29 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: which already has like a at the time, a long 30 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 3: history of beat poets there, people like Laurence Lipton. 31 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 4: So he had the idea to make, you know, to 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 4: form a. 33 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: Rock and roll band, and he said that he envisioned 34 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: a fantastic concert in his mind. That he's literally just 35 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: taking notes, you know, at a at a concert that 36 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: he was hearing in his head. And that's how he 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: said that the songs came to him so magically. He 38 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: meets ray Manzeric on the beach and the the the 39 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: mental momentum is is already you know, within him, that 40 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 3: that spiritual momentum, those those spirits that he said, you know, 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: leapt inside of him there they're looking for a way 42 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: to come out, you know, to activate the you know 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: that the Shalmanic presence you know that he had along 44 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: with all of his you know, his heritism and his 45 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: his mysteriousness that made him such a fascinating rock star. 46 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: And man Xeric was the keyboardist, if I recall, wasn't 47 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: he Yes? 48 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: He Raymond's Eric grew up in Chicago and he loved 49 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: the blues and he started playing the piano and keyboards 50 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: there and then he wanted to come to California to 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 3: study film. And that's how I mentioned Morrison at u. 52 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: C l A. 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: What was the moment where the doors hit it big? 54 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: Well, they they started out playing the smaller clubs in 55 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 3: town and then they they were found by the person 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: who books at the Whiskey a go go, and they 57 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: started really hunting their act there. They were following a 58 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:10,279 Speaker 3: band called Love that they they loved, and. 59 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 4: Then it was. 60 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: The Electra Records that that that found them like Jack 61 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 3: Holsman and and they're producer Paul Rothschild and but they 62 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 3: heard just really blew them away. They they wanted to 63 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: they wanted to sign them. I think what what sold 64 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: Jack Holsman was was on the Alabama song because it 65 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: was very he realized that, oh, well they're doing Berthold 66 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: Brect And I think that was the clincher for Jack 67 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 3: Holsman to sign them to Electra and then of course 68 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: they wanted to uh. 69 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 4: They felt that what they thought. 70 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 3: Breaking Through was going to be their big hit single, 71 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: so they released that and then mhm that was That 72 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: was well received, but it wasn't the big hit. 73 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 4: But it was light My Fire that they decided. 74 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: To release and and that's what what skyrocketed them into fame. 75 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: The late Vala Kilmer played Jim Morrison in The Doors movie. 76 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: How do you think he did? 77 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: They think, well, oh, I think he did a fantastic job. 78 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 4: You know, I thought he was amazing. 79 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: I read somewhere they had to pay him extra million 80 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 3: dollars because the drugs, because Malcomer was not into drugs 81 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: and all that. It is worth noting that Mary Warbelow 82 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 3: his college girlfriend. She her friend Bill Cosgrave, who wrote 83 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: a really good book called Jim Morrison, Mary and Me, 84 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: and he was friends of Jim Morrison, was living on 85 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 3: the beach in those first days the Doors and with Mary. 86 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: And when Mary Warblow saw the movie, she said that 87 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: that was only thirty percenttion that that the rest of 88 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: him was was missing. But it's a fantastic concert movie. 89 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 3: Raymond's Eric had problems with it. I haven't read that 90 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: or someone told me that Olivers don't even like thrown 91 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: him off the set. But Valcomer did at a really 92 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: amazing job, a really amazing job, and there are some 93 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 3: really beautiful scenes in that film. 94 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 4: Actor. 95 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: I miss him. He was a good guy too. Yeah, 96 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: he left us two too early, he did Mount Morrison 97 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: speaking of believing us too early at twenty seven. They 98 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: never did an autopsy pall on him. What do you 99 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: think happened to him? 100 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: Oh? 101 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 4: Well, I've thought about this so much. 102 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: Well, like everything in Jim Morrison's life, everything that happened 103 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 3: in Paris is mysterious. It's we're gonna be talking about 104 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: it for decades, right, Yeah. I I think that there's 105 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: two likely stories. 106 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: One. 107 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 3: You know John Densmore, the drummer, He said that if 108 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 3: anybody could disappear a bit in Jim Morrison, and if 109 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 3: if he consider what was hanging over his head, you know, 110 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 3: the Miami Trot. For instance, he was still on on 111 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: bond on appeal and he was very worried about what 112 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 3: was going to happen to him when he came back 113 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 3: to Florida. If he lost on appeal, he would have 114 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: to serve six six months of hard labor, and I 115 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: think they're prepared. They were, they were prepared to stick 116 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: it to him. His lawyers were telling him that it's 117 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: a good autum chance that they're gonna win on the appeal. 118 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: But I think Jim Morrison was thinking to himself, you know, 119 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: I've already been convicted of a crime I did not do. 120 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: In decent exposure, ten thousand photographs was submitted that night, 121 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 3: excuse me him. During the during the trial, not one 122 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: showed him. No witnesses remembered him doing that. So he 123 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: was very worried about what would happen to him when 124 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 3: he came back to the United States, and this caused 125 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: him a lot of anxiety in Paris. So it's possible 126 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 3: that he considered doing that. That was back when there's 127 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: no no Internet or anything like that, and you know, 128 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 3: he had the money where that could have been possible. 129 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: I think in the realm of like what could really 130 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 3: is true is that they I think that the people 131 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: in the scene, like Alan Rone and Angus Farda Parisians 132 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: when all of this happened, the very concerned for Pam mccurson, 133 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 3: who was only twenty four years old and Jim Morrison 134 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: passed away. Plus she was you know, she was a 135 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: heroin addict, and she's in a foreign capital and she 136 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 3: doesn't know French and her very famous international rock star 137 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: boyfriend has has just died. And I think there was 138 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: they wanted to hurry up the release of the body 139 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: to protect Pamelin Curisson because if the the Prisian authorities 140 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: had had custody of the body for longer, they could 141 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: have thought, well, you know, let's do a let's do 142 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 3: an autopsy, and if they found heroin, then it's a 143 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: possibility of a murder investigation. There are actually people who 144 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: in other documentaries that they said they left France was 145 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: there afraid that they were could be fingered to be 146 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: the one who sold Jim Morrison the heroin. But of 147 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: course that would put Pamelin curs On, you know, at 148 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: the the cross here is that she'd be the prime suspect. 149 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: So I think there was a there was a they 150 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: might have I mean, that's what I think I would 151 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 3: have done if I was around and I saw how 152 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: vulnerable Pamela Curisan was, like, she did not put next 153 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: of kin in the United States which sped along the 154 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: release of the body for burial, and that you know, 155 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: allowed her to to leave to leave France. If she 156 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: had listed Jim or or something that's having FAMD in the 157 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: United States, it would have been had to contact it 158 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: and it would have delayed the whole process of releasing 159 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: the body. 160 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: Can you rule out suicide? 161 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: Yes, I don't think Jim Morrison was was was someone 162 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: who was going to was going to take his life. 163 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: This is somebody who was full of life. This is 164 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: somebody who would not, in my am I belief from 165 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 3: the person that I've that I've come across, would he 166 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: would not do that. He was someone who thought about 167 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: death a great deal. 168 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 4: And this is. 169 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: Someone who is super curious and deeply fascinated with you 170 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: know what lies beyond, you know when we when we 171 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 3: leave our bodies. 172 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: But suicide, no, I don't think so. 173 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: We had a great guess by the name of our 174 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: Gary Patterson have since passed away, who was obsessed with 175 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: the fact that many of these rock stars died at 176 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: the age of twenty seven. Strange is it? 177 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: It is? It starts at Robert Johnson, right, you know, yeah, 178 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 3: and it comes out like the Amy Winehouse you know 179 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: recently and et cetera and Kirk Cobain. I mean from 180 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: what I astrologically look at it from the cult. From 181 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: the cult perspective, that's when you're Saturn return and comes around. 182 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: That's always a tumultuous time in anybody's life, if they 183 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 3: look back on it. And maybe there's something to that 184 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 3: that goes on with rock stars who are who reach 185 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: some level of fame at that at that time. And 186 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: you know, I don't I don't know. It's very it's 187 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: deeply mysterious, isn't it? 188 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 4: Sure is. 189 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: Morrison was also influenced by the nineteen sixty two movie 190 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: Lawrence of Arabia. How come. 191 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 4: Oh? 192 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 3: I think, uh so, Lawrence comes out in nineteen sixty two, 193 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 3: and I think Lawrence of Arabia is depicted in that film. 194 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: He's he's our first rock star. The film influenced Mick 195 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: Jagger and David Bowie. You know, this is someone who 196 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 3: who is a lot like Jim Morrison. He's well read, 197 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: and he's an intellectual and when he wants adventure and 198 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: he doesn't want to be stuck in the map room 199 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: like at the beginning of the movie, and he wants 200 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: to go out through the desert. He reinvents himself and 201 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: he goes to a series of trials. We almost loses 202 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: his life, and he gains the respect of of the 203 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: Bedouin tribes in and then he becomes this international figure. 204 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: You know, there's a very romantic hero, right and like 205 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: in the film you see him dancing on the on 206 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: the train cars and he's having his picture taken by 207 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 3: the American journalists that came out and you know that 208 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: makes him famous. 209 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 4: The film is. 210 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: It just is a kind of like you know, blueprint 211 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: for you becoming a rock star, you know, going through 212 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 3: what you have to go through to become somebody else, 213 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: you know, and and and at a costume you know, 214 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: of your choice. 215 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: You know. 216 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: With Jim Morrison, he went through this same thing. He's 217 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: out in the desert and he changed his life around, 218 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: and he went through like like trials with or shamanic initiation, 219 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: with the kind of drugs he didate, and the amounts 220 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 3: that he did that to break on through and in 221 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 3: a way that you know he saw to do it. 222 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 4: And then he. 223 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 3: Appropriated the black leather, the whole lizard king image, you know, 224 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: to you know, to provoke and people who saw him 225 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: and during audiences that you know, he's he's bringing you 226 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: back to a time that is very very old. Jim 227 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: Morris was a very very old soul and that's that's 228 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 3: what he was channeling. Like that God, he even looked 229 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 3: like the statues that were created during the time of 230 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 3: the ancient world. 231 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: Truly remarkable individual, wasn't he? 232 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 4: Yes, very much So. 233 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 2: At what point in his career do you think he 234 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 2: was at a point where he knew he had made it? 235 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: Did he ever believe that? 236 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: Yes, that's that's a good question. I mean he made 237 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: in the sense of how rock stars, how we think 238 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 3: they make it. At that time, he achieved fame, and 239 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 3: he had money, and you know, they were on tour 240 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 3: and he was being interviewed and you know, he was 241 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 3: meeting all young He said that he was meeting a 242 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 3: lot of very interesting people around Los Angeles and Hollywood 243 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 3: at the time. 244 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 4: But Jim Morrison was ambivalent about this. 245 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: He in the end said that looking at pictures of himself, 246 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: he felt like, God, I gotta look at these pictures 247 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 3: of myself when I'm like seventy eighty years old. Like 248 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: he really wanted people to remember him for his poetry, 249 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: you know, for his art, and he was afraid that 250 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 3: the rock star image, at the sex symbol image was 251 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: was going to interfere with that, so he was ambivalent 252 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 3: about that. 253 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 4: He told his sister. 254 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 3: That when he would recite his poetry on stage that 255 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 3: the audience wasn't wasn't wasn't too interested in it at 256 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 3: least when the Doors got really famous, because they were 257 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 3: they were playing the when they got families, They're playing 258 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: these huge arenas, you know, film with like you know, 259 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: you know, screaming teenagers like just going because they want 260 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: to see Jim Morrison, like you know, start a right 261 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: or something like that. Right, Whereas like in the in 262 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 3: the smaller, you know, more artistic, avant guard clubs, they 263 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: were playing like they really loved Jim Morrison's like, you know, 264 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 3: poetic imagination. So it became a catch twenty two for him. 265 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: Paul, what did they think of the Beatles at the 266 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: time the Doors. 267 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 4: Oh, I think they they they loved the Beatles. 268 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 3: And I'm sure I've never really read anything about what 269 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 3: Jim Morrison might have said about the Beatles. 270 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 4: Jim Morrison's favorite band was Pink Floyd. You really loved Pink, Yes. 271 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: He must have known about the Beach Boys because they 272 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 2: were in l A too. 273 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, this is interesting. He he really loved Elvis. 274 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 3: Elvis was this big deal. Like he really admired Mick 275 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: Jagger a great deal. He wasn't too inter rock music, 276 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 3: like he loved his Tom Layer records and things like that. 277 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 4: But he loved Elvis. 278 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: And in front of Barney's Beanery on Santa Monica Boulevard, 279 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 3: out there in the patio, there used to be a 280 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 3: patty out there. Patty out there, he told a friend 281 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 3: of his, like, you know, I would love to see 282 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: a biography about Elvis. His name escapes him right now, 283 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: but he was the friend that he was talking to, 284 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: who was who co wrote No One here gets out. 285 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 4: A lot of the bog found him. He went on to. 286 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: Write the first biography about Elvis that that came out 287 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: not too long after that conversation. So Jim Morrison was 288 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: the inspiration to get the first biography of Elvis out there. 289 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: Big morrishan ever meet Elvis? 290 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 4: Do you know that? 291 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. I bet he would 292 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: have had a real trip on that one if he did. Yes, 293 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: it is interesting to read about when when Elvis and 294 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 3: the Beatles met here in Los Angeles, and Elvis kind 295 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: of looked at John Lenlom and say, hey, guys, like 296 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: you need to, like, you know, say something here. 297 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 4: Soon. 298 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: You know, they get along after a while, though, didn't they? 299 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: They did? They did a. 300 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: Lolways, remember seen Elvis on the Ed Sullivan Show a 301 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: long long time ago. 302 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, Elvis was another one. 303 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 3: Miguel Connor's book of the Occult Elvis came out, and 304 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: it turns out that Elvis was was also somebody who 305 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: had a strong connection to the other side. I was 306 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: very surprised with all the things that I read in 307 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: Miguel Connor's book, which is also a great read. 308 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: Would you say Morrison was spiritual? 309 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: Oh? 310 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 3: Quite, He was a very spiritual person. The doors manager 311 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: of Bill Simmons once said that, like, you know, his 312 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: concerns are not of this world, like there's there's some 313 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: other world. I think Jim Morrison was someplace else, you know, 314 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: for most of his life. You know, a lot of 315 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: rock stars are, you know, they're they're interested in the 316 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: trappings of you know, of the money that brings to 317 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 3: my mice houses and nice cars and all that kind 318 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: of stuff. Jim Morrison just preferred things to be simple, 319 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: you know. He just he liked his Mustang and but 320 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: he never he never bought a house, and het he 321 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: bought some nice things for his girlfriend Pamela, and he 322 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: loved deeply. And he lived in a room in the 323 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: Altaiena Momantel, room thirty two, and he kept his life 324 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: simple that way. He was always somebody who was going 325 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 3: to Frank Cassandro that you could see on Santa Monica Boulevard, 326 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: in the cafes and the bars, talking to himself in 327 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 3: scribbling poetryund paper. So he was definitely someone who was 328 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: connected to that, to that other reality. 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