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Speaker 1: we have a lot to talk about tonight. There's so

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Speaker 1: much happening with Taiwan this week. But first, Senator Crews,

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Speaker 1: I were to predict, she will have some condition and

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Speaker 1: make them change it somehow. And if they do that,

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Speaker 1: I think she probably gets to yes at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day. But I don't know. We'll find out

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Speaker 1: in the next couple of days. Well, I think we're

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Speaker 1: all going to be sitting here waiting with bated breath

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Speaker 1: to see what she decides. I hope and I pray

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Speaker 1: that she has the courage to reject this tremendously bad bill.

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Speaker 1: But what do you guys think? Let me post tell me.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Cinema's gonna vote yes? Do you think

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Speaker 1: she's gonna vote no? Do you think She's gonna put

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Speaker 1: conditions on it that will be given to her and

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Speaker 1: then she will vote yes. What do you think post

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Speaker 1: let me know. Also, don't forget we have two episodes

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Speaker 1: of The Cloakroom this week and our next episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about a topic that I promised you

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Speaker 1: a couple weeks we would talk about. We're finally getting

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Speaker 1: to it. We're gonna talk about George Soros funded progressive

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Speaker 1: prosecutors around the nation. You don't want to miss this one, Senator.

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Speaker 1: As always, it was good to chat with you. I'm

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Speaker 1: Liz Wheeler. This is The Cloakroom on Verdict Plus