Speaker 1: Amy Robot and TJ Holmes present aubrery o Day covering
Speaker 1: the Diddy Trial.
Speaker 2: It is based on transcripts, sources.
Speaker 3: And reporting from the courtroom.
Speaker 2: As is obvious, Aubrey Oday is not present in the
Speaker 2: courtroom during the proceedings. Amy and TJ Presents.
Speaker 3: Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial. Hello everyone, and welcome,
Speaker 3: Welcome to this latest episode of Amy and TJ Present
Speaker 3: Aubrey Oday. We are sitting in a studio in New York,
Speaker 3: just way up the street here in Manhattan. From as
Speaker 3: we sit here, as we speak, Aubrey, the testimony continues
Speaker 3: in the Diddy trial. Sure, you have been here with
Speaker 3: us for the past several days. But you came here
Speaker 3: many people thought you were going to be testifying, and
Speaker 3: that made a lot of headlines and apparently robes from
Speaker 3: what we've been reading as well, a lot of people
Speaker 3: were looking forward to her testimony and then we're disappointed
Speaker 3: when she didn't testify. And then an Avalanche Chevre comments came.
Speaker 1: Well, funny enough you use the word disappointed. I think
Speaker 1: that's a very kind to use. People, I guess felt
Speaker 1: so personally invested in the case and personally invested perhaps
Speaker 1: even in Arbury herself, that they got downright angry and
Speaker 1: mean and in times cruel nasty, Yes, nasty. We've all
Speaker 1: been a part of this, but it always still kind
Speaker 1: of blows my mind the lengths people will go to
Speaker 1: and the words they will use in anonymity to then
Speaker 1: bash someone who they think they know, who they think
Speaker 1: they understand why they did or didn't testify, And it's
Speaker 1: just it's appalling because.
Speaker 2: It actually has real life.
Speaker 1: Impact, because you can't not feel something when people aren't
Speaker 1: just disappointed in you, but actually.
Speaker 2: Call you names.
Speaker 4: Listen, beyond even that, I had been telling people when
Speaker 4: I was fired what it is. I was more under
Speaker 4: contractual situations that were scary back then, so I couldn't
Speaker 4: just go straight for the target. But I've been getting
Speaker 4: more and more voisterous. I've been consistent for twenty years
Speaker 4: and telling people this is a problematic area, this is
Speaker 4: a problematic person to be working for. And finally, twenty
Speaker 4: years later, instead of getting blacklisted and having all kinds
Speaker 4: of things behind the scenes fail. I mean, I had
Speaker 4: labels that would call me in ask me to dance
Speaker 4: and sing on the spot in front of.
Speaker 5: Room fuls of people.
Speaker 4: One guy who's a very big person in this industry,
Speaker 4: had me dance for about fifteen minutes to like four
Speaker 4: different songs. I didn't even understand how that would be
Speaker 4: considered an audition to get a record deal. But I
Speaker 4: was basically being humiliated. Then he goes outside to take
Speaker 4: a call and comes back in and is like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I just got the call. Puff doesn't want anyone touching
Speaker 4: you like I was not. Nobody knows that. I mean,
Speaker 4: I was being humiliated and at home crying left and right,
Speaker 4: like I've lost all of my music career. And they
Speaker 4: were on television calling me a whore and promiscuous and
Speaker 4: all the I mean, for all the words that he used.
Speaker 5: When he fired me. I didn't know then.
Speaker 4: What I know now is that they needed to take
Speaker 4: my fan base and shift it over to dirty Money,
Speaker 4: and I was the favorite, and so they had to
Speaker 4: destruct the way that they know how to destruct, and
Speaker 4: he utilized his tools, which we'll all learn who the
Speaker 4: tools were throughout this trial. But for me, twenty years later,
Speaker 4: I now have finally had everybody reporting Aubrey told us so.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was literally a headline on like Rolling Stone,
Speaker 4: like a credible outlet and they say, you know, Aubrey
Speaker 4: told you so, and I did, and I felt so
Speaker 4: empowered to get that voice back now. Like I told
Speaker 4: you guys when we first started this, I had to
Speaker 4: shed the layers that needed to hear that part so
Speaker 4: it didn't hit me the way I wish it could
Speaker 4: have hit the parts that are now gone. But to
Speaker 4: now open my eyes and have getting the type of hate,
Speaker 4: and it's not even just hater, it's I'm not really ever.
Speaker 4: I'd never really cared about women. I never really cared
Speaker 4: or to protect DV survivors. I wanted to just talk
Speaker 4: all this shit to be famous instead of actually fight
Speaker 4: for justice that I'm not. I did have decided not
Speaker 4: to take the stand as if I have any fucking
Speaker 4: choice that I'm I mean just I'm getting you fucking
Speaker 4: nasty piece of shit over and over again in so
Speaker 4: many ways. And then I go and look at these headlines,
Speaker 4: the people reporting this I have. I'm literally on my
Speaker 4: Twitter saying this is defamation. My lawyer told me I
Speaker 4: could sue the person that first posted this. The outlet,
Speaker 4: they have quotes from Aubrey, quotes from that she gave
Speaker 4: a source close to her who is close to me,
Speaker 4: because the last time I checked, my dog doesn't know English.
Speaker 2: We laugh, I mean, we feel your pain because.
Speaker 4: Probably knows English, but you probably knows several languages. My
Speaker 4: dog is fantastic.
Speaker 1: We have been screaming this, that this happens all the time,
Speaker 1: and you don't realize it until it happens to you.
Speaker 4: That will happen to you, and it unfairly happened to me.
Speaker 4: You and I discussed this the first day. You would
Speaker 4: be like absolutely on your shit at work and then
Speaker 4: a headline would come through that you've got a full
Speaker 4: blown fucking.
Speaker 5: Bar in your room.
Speaker 4: Unfair, cruel, and it guts you right at your talent,
Speaker 4: right at what.
Speaker 5: You've worked so hard to be.
Speaker 4: It's not even gutting you your physical or something. As women,
Speaker 4: we learn to get our physical gutted out the gate.
Speaker 4: It's gutting you at your core, at your talent, at
Speaker 4: the thing you prided yourself on. It's disgusting work, and
Speaker 4: the other thing you pride yourself on, your love. Like
Speaker 4: maybe there's more to this story, Maybe the partners weren't
Speaker 4: good for these people, Like it's so cruel the way
Speaker 4: people run things. And I've watched a chain with my manager,
Speaker 4: even going back and forth.
Speaker 5: He was busy. When all this came out.
Speaker 4: There are millions of people saying, why didn't you respond
Speaker 4: when I asked if this was accurate? And they're yelling,
Speaker 4: and he's like, I'm sorry, ma'am. I have seven billion clients.
Speaker 4: I was on set all day and you chose to
Speaker 4: ran a story without hearing back from me. That's your
Speaker 4: fucking problem. I'm literally looking at chains back and forth.
Speaker 4: My lawyer tells me to sue, but guess what. I
Speaker 4: look at these publications and they're pretty big. I'm in fact,
Speaker 4: I'm on a show on one of them that's about
Speaker 4: to come out. I'm going to what sue them? And
Speaker 4: then what is my edit going to look like? I
Speaker 4: already know it's not going to be good considering that
Speaker 4: I said they were defaming me on fucking Twitter.
Speaker 3: Well, we wanted to give here a moment, an opportunity
Speaker 3: because yes, I know Twitter or social media can be
Speaker 3: a disgusting, okay place, but people have some of them
Speaker 3: have some questions that are legit, and we want to give.
Speaker 4: You an opportunity please, because there are so many Internet
Speaker 4: lawyers who's legit tell me their degree.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing. But legit being people have a
Speaker 3: legitimate they don't put it in a legit way. But
Speaker 3: they want to know why didn't she testify, And they
Speaker 3: want to put it on you as if you chose
Speaker 3: not to. So the something here says I won't lie.
Speaker 3: I was disappointed when I found out you, Aubrey, weren't testifying.
Speaker 3: Any reason as to why they chose not to have
Speaker 3: you testify, but choose don.
Speaker 4: Okay, this is why I'm not taking the stand. There
Speaker 4: are specific charges that the federal government have utilized in
Speaker 4: this indictment. Unless I was a part of this organization
Speaker 4: of crime, unless I was participating in freak offs, if
Speaker 4: I were on a video, if I were watching people
Speaker 4: get beat and going back into the world and telling
Speaker 4: everybody this is a great place, these are great people,
Speaker 4: and even begging them to come back like my bandmate did.
Speaker 4: Like my bandmate did, then maybe I would be on
Speaker 4: the stand. But I didn't partake in any of that.
Speaker 4: What happened to me. If something happened to me, like
Speaker 4: I said, I don't know. I don't have any answers yet,
Speaker 4: and I don't like the process in which I have
Speaker 4: been receiving information. Frankly, I've had to live in a
Speaker 4: very fucked up state. So all of you that did
Speaker 4: say something to me, you can go right ahead and
Speaker 4: fuck off if I find you in the streets.
Speaker 5: I don't fight.
Speaker 4: I don't even know how to fight, but I'll definitely
Speaker 4: throw some words in your face. But with that being said,
Speaker 4: it's so disrespectful to come at me in the way
Speaker 4: that you guys are.
Speaker 5: These are criminal charges. I am not a criminal.
Speaker 4: I wasn't around during any drugs uh watching people get beat?
Speaker 5: Did I see things? Yes?
Speaker 4: I did, and I told Homeland Security everything that I saw,
Speaker 4: every person that I saw, every bit of harassment that
Speaker 4: I experienced, and I gave all the attachments as well.
Speaker 3: To that point, I just want to follow over everything
Speaker 3: I could. I want to follow with this next person
Speaker 3: who was along those same lines.
Speaker 4: Is this serious talking about I feel like I'm in
Speaker 4: I feel.
Speaker 3: Like directly to you talked so much up until the trial.
Speaker 3: Preached NDA but does not testify to promote a podcast
Speaker 3: said they're disappointed. So again, if somebody might have that question,
Speaker 3: they put it in a particular way. But somebody, wait,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, she don't want to testify because she
Speaker 3: has a business venture.
Speaker 5: Learned it from a headline.
Speaker 3: But address that the idea that somebody thinks that you
Speaker 3: didn't testify so that you can promote some business venture.
Speaker 4: I didn't testify because I haven't been subpoenaed. It's pretty simple,
Speaker 4: and that.
Speaker 3: Should be said everybody. She did. Now, she was not
Speaker 3: beating down the door of iHeart begging somebody please give
Speaker 3: her a microphone. That should absolutely be said and be
Speaker 3: made clear.
Speaker 5: I didn't even want to I was. I didn't. Wasn't
Speaker 5: You guys had to be here in order for me
Speaker 5: to come.
Speaker 4: I did not want to even be here, Like I
Speaker 4: don't this is I'm too much in the middle of
Speaker 4: too much crazy shit, and I have no answers. But
Speaker 4: I also see that there's a lot of misinformation, and
Speaker 4: just in the press release of this alone, it has
Speaker 4: turned into a chaotic, negative event. And imagine after twenty years,
Speaker 4: people finally believe me and within one day of an
Speaker 4: announcement of something good that is credible and telling you
Speaker 4: the truth, finally, so that you don't have to absorb
Speaker 4: lies in headlines from journalistic sources that are not even
Speaker 4: going to the source to confirm their stories, not even
Speaker 4: reaching out. You now have a space that we all
Speaker 4: in this room have worked very hard to create for you,
Speaker 4: and yet you now have turned on me and you're
Speaker 4: calling me a piece of shit again. You all are
Speaker 4: pick me children, pick mees. Y'all are pick me We only.
Speaker 1: Know what that means because of TJ's our twelve year
Speaker 1: old daughter, who told us what a pick me is.
Speaker 2: You know, you talked about some of the headlines that
Speaker 2: are false.
Speaker 4: If they want me to have been in the freak Offs,
Speaker 4: it's like they want me, they want me to have
Speaker 4: have been been involved in all of this.
Speaker 2: It's like it's oh, they don't believe that you weren't.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But but the thing is is you all have seen
Speaker 4: me talk back to the man on camera. It was
Speaker 4: so palpable that everybody saw me as their favorite. I
Speaker 4: had that same energy on and off camera. I'm not
Speaker 4: an actor. I literally did one Lifetime movie and I
Speaker 4: was horrible. I don't I mean when I had to die,
Speaker 4: it was so fucking stressful. I think they had to
Speaker 4: do like seven hundred takes because I don't know how to.
Speaker 1: Act this movie we want to watch.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry time I love you and all, but
Speaker 4: the act I can't remember the lines.
Speaker 5: I would just spar on the moment.
Speaker 4: I would just give what I felt when the you know,
Speaker 4: like I think I could delivered this for the scene,
Speaker 4: and then we'd have to stop and they would make
Speaker 4: me go back to my room and read the lines,
Speaker 4: and I just could never really capture the lines in
Speaker 4: my brain.
Speaker 5: No, I was murdered.
Speaker 2: I was chosen.
Speaker 4: Do you know what it's like to actually channeled my
Speaker 4: time with Diddy for that song?
Speaker 1: We must see this movie. You got to at the
Speaker 1: end of this. We have to come up with the name.
Speaker 1: But you were talking about the false headlines. Here's a doozy.
Speaker 1: Here is a doozy?
Speaker 5: Is it written by someone named doozy?
Speaker 2: Well, that would be better. This is actually by.
Speaker 1: A so called journalist article by Aubrey O'Day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know what that headline had me fucked up.
Speaker 4: I mean that one came like the attacks from that
Speaker 4: headline came like in the middle of the night, after
Speaker 4: we had had a full day of work. I got
Speaker 4: home to all these I saw the article and my
Speaker 4: eyes were like my stomach went into my fuck onto
Speaker 4: the floor. Everybody was attacking me, and so I then
Speaker 4: people that are in support of me and are watching
Speaker 4: and listening to what I'm saying understood and they were like,
Speaker 4: this is the woman that wrote it about you, and
Speaker 4: they sent me her name on Twitter. So I went
Speaker 4: to chat GPT. I look this woman up. I learned
Speaker 4: everything about her. It said very senior reporter, it said,
Speaker 4: very credible, established.
Speaker 5: All these things.
Speaker 4: And I asked chat GPT, do you know any information
Speaker 4: on that is a piece of gossip that would completely
Speaker 4: run her credibility and make her stomach sink to the
Speaker 4: floor if she were to see it and it were
Speaker 4: to go out into the world.
Speaker 5: Can you please tell me what it is? Thank you.
Speaker 4: Chat GPT responded, I can not participate in that type
Speaker 4: of behavior or something. Oh, I have it screencapped. I
Speaker 4: was gonna post it online, but then I thought to myself,
Speaker 4: how could retaliate. Well, I'm about to be on a
Speaker 4: show on their network. They could maybe get a fat
Speaker 4: photo of me, or they can continue to use fat
Speaker 4: photos when they talk about me as the main picture.
Speaker 4: They could do all kinds of things to hurt me
Speaker 4: and to discredit me and to shit all over me.
Speaker 4: And I felt sick to my stomach, like I can't
Speaker 4: come after them, They'll just make my life worse because
Speaker 4: unfortunately people do believe just the headline and they don't
Speaker 4: read the story.
Speaker 1: One of the first things someone told me when I
Speaker 1: got into this business, and it came back to bite
Speaker 1: us me in the ass later on in these past
Speaker 1: few years. But someone said this to me, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was so gross, and yet it's so true, babe.
Speaker 2: Perception is reality.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that is literally Ditty's mantra. It's the corporate mantra.
Speaker 1: It's it's appalling because that means anyone else can say
Speaker 1: what they want, and if they say it first, and
Speaker 1: if they say it loudest, that is what people will believe.
Speaker 4: Would have no issue if I came after her, because
Speaker 4: she knows that she could just throw out a few
Speaker 4: more headlines to take me down. They are very much
Speaker 4: in control, and so by that you kind of choked
Speaker 4: my voice. And I hope you're not an advocate for women,
Speaker 4: because you just choked an advocate for women the job, bitch.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to see if there's any other miss.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 2: Dear dear lady, little did the world know kind kind.
Speaker 3: I'm sure she's a lovely, lovely person.
Speaker 5: Yeah, really lovely bangs are great.
Speaker 3: I tried to figure out how how she could have misinterpreted,
Speaker 3: how this there was a mistake. We have talked to
Speaker 3: you about this trial, I think more than probably just
Speaker 3: our Amy Sugarman, our producer is probably the only other
Speaker 3: person you've talked about this drib more than us. There
Speaker 3: is nothing you said that I could pluck out. How
Speaker 3: could anybody think that Aubry Day.
Speaker 1: The poor thing I could think of is that she said,
Speaker 1: and you were being fair, that there were good sides
Speaker 1: to him, But that doesn't mean I support him. You're
Speaker 1: just saying he's a full person who has good sides.
Speaker 1: And the title was way too pointed.
Speaker 4: But I did see articles that pulled things from this
Speaker 4: podcast and suggested support.
Speaker 5: Of him, and and.
Speaker 4: That's what I've I've discussed with you. The rope for
Speaker 4: women is so little. We don't get much rope. You
Speaker 4: either are this or you're that. If you want to
Speaker 4: dissect something like a whole ass human being who could
Speaker 4: potentially lose his entire life after this trial, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to quick trigger on that. I know that he
Speaker 4: was a bad guy, and I also saw good days too.
Speaker 4: I need to understand everything in the context of what
Speaker 4: evidence the government has secured, and how they are proving
Speaker 4: this case, and how him and his attorneys are proving
Speaker 4: this case. I need to understand the facts before I
Speaker 4: make a call on an entire man's life. The whole
Speaker 4: internet has already made a call on it. They're slipping
Speaker 4: around in baby all and laughing, and that is not
Speaker 4: anything he is on trial for.
Speaker 1: You know what's so interesting too, And we experienced this
Speaker 1: as well because you mentioned who these people are who
Speaker 1: go on to Twitter or even yes, write articles in
Speaker 1: the name of journalism. Who would do such a thing
Speaker 1: when they know it's false, when they know they haven't
Speaker 1: corroborated it, when they know they don't have a second source,
Speaker 1: and when they know they're flat out making sit up
Speaker 1: for clickbait. Who are these people? It's funny. This one
Speaker 1: who went on to Twitter is her name, so she's
Speaker 1: a mom. How many times have I told you, Well,
Speaker 1: if I go and look at some of the profiles
Speaker 1: and the people who have said the nastiest things about us,
Speaker 1: really they're like Grandma loves God, and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: your grandma who loves God like so.
Speaker 2: Many names that I won't even repeat.
Speaker 5: But here's grandmother.
Speaker 1: Right, like loving grandmother, oh grandma as Jesus and her.
Speaker 6: Family, and she just vis I hope your children get cancer,
Speaker 6: And I actually will say that to me's I was
Speaker 6: told I hope your children get raped.
Speaker 2: I have been told, like it is horrific what people
Speaker 2: will go on and say. So here's what we should.
Speaker 5: Start naming these people public.
Speaker 2: Well here's what said to you.
Speaker 1: Yes, so she's a mom and she's stylish.
Speaker 5: So here's what she had to say about you don't
Speaker 5: give her things as she is a amy.
Speaker 1: This is what she This is her self proclaimed handle
Speaker 1: on ex Okay, this is what she had to say.
Speaker 1: This mother full of shit talk a big talk, but
Speaker 1: do nothing when it means something. Exclamation point, disgusting exclamation point.
Speaker 1: I hope if you're asked to do the right thing.
Speaker 1: I know it's a hard situation. My daughter went through
Speaker 1: something similar. So because she had a daughter who went
Speaker 1: through something, somehow she thinks you're the person to start
Speaker 1: being and tearing down and calling you a liar and
Speaker 1: calling you disgusting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 4: Feel so sad that so many people depend on a
Speaker 4: headline for their world news. I feel so sad that
Speaker 4: so many people who don't have law degrees and follow
Speaker 4: three accounts that are legal accounts on Twitter somehow believe
Speaker 4: that they are lawyers. I find it so sad that
Speaker 4: people don't understand their own identity so much that they
Speaker 4: have to take on the ones that are being handed.
Speaker 5: Out to them.
Speaker 4: It's a sad state that we are in as a culture.
Speaker 4: And it's an even sadder state for somebody who is
Speaker 4: on trial and will lose their entire life. It's even
Speaker 4: sadder for people that are taking the stand that are victims.
Speaker 4: The way that we just tribute news, the way that
Speaker 4: we write headlines, I mean the fact that there is
Speaker 4: a term that exists named clickbait. It becomes a defining
Speaker 4: factor of our reputations. All three of us in this
Speaker 4: room have experienced that you lose your job over that.
Speaker 4: If they understood the weight of what that was, or
Speaker 4: ever had to receive one of those headlines, they would vomit.
Speaker 4: Yet they are so excited to internalize it and allow
Speaker 4: it to become their identity when they haven't. Grace needs
Speaker 4: to be given in regards to these headlines. The term
Speaker 4: clickbait isn't in the definition of fucking whatever to not
Speaker 4: be understood by the masses. When I was very young,
Speaker 4: a lawyer said to me, you're going to have a
Speaker 4: hard time with defamation. That's why I was so into
Speaker 4: the Johnny Depp trial, because those were two celebrities and
Speaker 4: defamation was being claimed on both sides. And unfortunately, the
Speaker 4: sources that are honest don't have a full reach over
Speaker 4: most of society. They have a select audience.
Speaker 3: As we wrap up here, as of course, anybody wants
Speaker 3: to go read some negative comments. You got plenty of
Speaker 3: opportunities and plenty of options, but I want to ask
Speaker 3: not to address anybody directly here. Avery. From the moment
Speaker 3: we met you, you kind of came in hot here
Speaker 3: to New York because as soon as you got here,
Speaker 3: folks knew you were coming, or saw that you were coming.
Speaker 3: Jump to conclusion and just the heat started. So we've
Speaker 3: been here with you the last three four plus days,
Speaker 3: and I just I want to ask you a personally,
Speaker 3: because you come off obviously you have no problem speaking
Speaker 3: your mind. You have no problem calling somebody that writes
Speaker 3: negatively about you a bitch, and complain about her bangs.
Speaker 3: You have no problemp.
Speaker 5: Actually you haven't seen in the bank a lot choice.
Speaker 3: So to my point, anyone listening this is a strong
Speaker 3: woman who doesn't have any problem speaking up. I just
Speaker 3: have to ask, though, as a human being. It's coming
Speaker 3: at you from a lot of places, and just what
Speaker 3: has and you've been kind of hold up in a
Speaker 3: hotel room here for several days? What happens? But tell me, really,
Speaker 3: just what have this last several days? Just not responding
Speaker 3: to anybody directly? What is that like in the quiet
Speaker 3: moments when all of this is going on, it's coming
Speaker 3: back up, but then all of this heat is coming
Speaker 3: at you. I'm just asking how you're doing, Harburn.
Speaker 4: I don't have the luxury right now of tending to myself.
Speaker 5: I'm in advocate mode.
Speaker 4: And the only way that I can get out of
Speaker 4: this world, let's say, over the weekend, was to go
Speaker 4: do the AIDS Walk, to advocate for a whole other
Speaker 4: group of people and learn about the laws and learn
Speaker 4: about what's stunting disclosure and things that are very important
Speaker 4: in that world, and advocate over there for a little
Speaker 4: bit where I'm not personally connected. And so I can
Speaker 4: fulfill my purpose, but get away from this hell hole dumpster.
Speaker 5: Fire that we're in.
Speaker 4: Do you fear it weird as in the people that
Speaker 4: lived and breathed in this diddy world?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like once this trial is over you'll
Speaker 1: have some sort of closure either way, however it ends up,
Speaker 1: whatever ends up being the verdict, will that impact your closure,
Speaker 1: if it's guilty or not guilty.
Speaker 4: Sadly no, because this is a systematic issue. It's still
Speaker 4: very much alive and well in a whole lot of places.
Speaker 4: Because we discussed what journalists do today on this podcast
Speaker 4: is not going to change a thing. The next time
Speaker 4: you two step out and do anything and anyone wants
Speaker 4: to target you, they will successfully. The next time someone
Speaker 4: wants to target me, they will successfully. They'll probably do
Speaker 4: it even more since we've challenged them a little bit.
Speaker 4: That's what I've learned in my career. All I do
Speaker 4: is challenge these people, and all I do is get
Speaker 4: blacklisted some more. I don't ever see the system responding
Speaker 4: with accountability. It's so important to just be accountable. Nobody
Speaker 4: is wrong or right, nobody is to blame, nobody has
Speaker 4: to feel pressure to point fingers. Sometimes a problem is
Speaker 4: just a problem on many sides, many angles. When I
Speaker 4: walk into situations where I don't see accountability, I fear them.
Speaker 4: It's just such an important piece for the people that
Speaker 4: wrote nasty things. I even told one of them that
Speaker 4: I went back and forth with on DMS when I
Speaker 4: had some time. I said, you know, I don't need
Speaker 4: your Go listen to the podcast and go make all
Speaker 4: your friends listen to it and correct your karma. So
Speaker 4: that's how I feel hold yourself accountable. Saying sorry to
Speaker 4: me does nothing for me. You already came and shoed
Speaker 4: on me before you even asked. The only thing that
Speaker 4: you could do to make up for bringing nasty, ugly
Speaker 4: energy my way is to put some positive energy my way,
Speaker 4: and positive energy right now needs to be going toward
Speaker 4: this platform, because this platform is a real space where
Speaker 4: the truth can exist without headlines taking over that aren't true.
Speaker 1: Well said, and I think that is the perfect way
Speaker 1: to end this episode, and we look forward to so
Speaker 1: many more as we continue to cover the Ditty Trial
Speaker 1: with the perspective of one of the only people who
Speaker 1: can truly give it. Aubrey Oday, Thank you and thank
Speaker 1: you for listening.