WEBVTT - Sources say… 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.639 Amy Robot and TJ Holmes present aubrery o Day covering 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:03.280 the Diddy Trial. 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:05.519 It is based on transcripts, sources. 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:06.279 And reporting from the courtroom. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:08.559 As is obvious, Aubrey Oday is not present in the 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.800 courtroom during the proceedings. Amy and TJ Presents. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:16.760 Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial. Hello everyone, and welcome, 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.880 Welcome to this latest episode of Amy and TJ Present 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.000 Aubrey Oday. We are sitting in a studio in New York, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.240 just way up the street here in Manhattan. From as 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:33.239 we sit here, as we speak, Aubrey, the testimony continues 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:35.919 in the Diddy trial. Sure, you have been here with 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.400 us for the past several days. But you came here 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:41.720 many people thought you were going to be testifying, and 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.360 that made a lot of headlines and apparently robes from 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.360 what we've been reading as well, a lot of people 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.159 were looking forward to her testimony and then we're disappointed 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:55.920 when she didn't testify. And then an Avalanche Chevre comments came. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.000 Well, funny enough you use the word disappointed. I think 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.920 that's a very kind to use. People, I guess felt 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.640 so personally invested in the case and personally invested perhaps 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.640 even in Arbury herself, that they got downright angry and 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:13.119 mean and in times cruel nasty, Yes, nasty. We've all 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.440 been a part of this, but it always still kind 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.640 of blows my mind the lengths people will go to 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.679 and the words they will use in anonymity to then 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.400 bash someone who they think they know, who they think 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.680 they understand why they did or didn't testify, And it's 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:29.760 just it's appalling because. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.600 It actually has real life. 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:37.360 Impact, because you can't not feel something when people aren't 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.080 just disappointed in you, but actually. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:39.600 Call you names. 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.319 Listen, beyond even that, I had been telling people when 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.520 I was fired what it is. I was more under 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.600 contractual situations that were scary back then, so I couldn't 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.919 just go straight for the target. But I've been getting 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.720 more and more voisterous. I've been consistent for twenty years 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.200 and telling people this is a problematic area, this is 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.800 a problematic person to be working for. And finally, twenty 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:08.280 years later, instead of getting blacklisted and having all kinds 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.120 of things behind the scenes fail. I mean, I had 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.000 labels that would call me in ask me to dance 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:15.720 and sing on the spot in front of. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:16.760 Room fuls of people. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.240 One guy who's a very big person in this industry, 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.960 had me dance for about fifteen minutes to like four 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.320 different songs. I didn't even understand how that would be 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.480 considered an audition to get a record deal. But I 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.160 was basically being humiliated. Then he goes outside to take 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.440 a call and comes back in and is like, yeah, 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.959 I just got the call. Puff doesn't want anyone touching 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:41.000 you like I was not. Nobody knows that. I mean, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.040 I was being humiliated and at home crying left and right, 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.480 like I've lost all of my music career. And they 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:51.400 were on television calling me a whore and promiscuous and 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.440 all the I mean, for all the words that he used. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.079 When he fired me. I didn't know then. 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.079 What I know now is that they needed to take 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.280 my fan base and shift it over to dirty Money, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.640 and I was the favorite, and so they had to 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.760 destruct the way that they know how to destruct, and 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.240 he utilized his tools, which we'll all learn who the 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:12.680 tools were throughout this trial. But for me, twenty years later, 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:17.919 I now have finally had everybody reporting Aubrey told us so. 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.640 I mean, it was literally a headline on like Rolling Stone, 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.840 like a credible outlet and they say, you know, Aubrey 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.560 told you so, and I did, and I felt so 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:28.720 empowered to get that voice back now. Like I told 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.320 you guys when we first started this, I had to 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.960 shed the layers that needed to hear that part so 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:34.760 it didn't hit me the way I wish it could 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.520 have hit the parts that are now gone. But to 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.080 now open my eyes and have getting the type of hate, 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.800 and it's not even just hater, it's I'm not really ever. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.560 I'd never really cared about women. I never really cared 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.080 or to protect DV survivors. I wanted to just talk 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.119 all this shit to be famous instead of actually fight 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.840 for justice that I'm not. I did have decided not 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.200 to take the stand as if I have any fucking 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:03.920 choice that I'm I mean just I'm getting you fucking 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.400 nasty piece of shit over and over again in so 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.400 many ways. And then I go and look at these headlines, 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.400 the people reporting this I have. I'm literally on my 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.720 Twitter saying this is defamation. My lawyer told me I 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:19.360 could sue the person that first posted this. The outlet, 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:24.320 they have quotes from Aubrey, quotes from that she gave 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.800 a source close to her who is close to me, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.040 because the last time I checked, my dog doesn't know English. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.440 We laugh, I mean, we feel your pain because. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.960 Probably knows English, but you probably knows several languages. My 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:37.120 dog is fantastic. 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.560 We have been screaming this, that this happens all the time, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.920 and you don't realize it until it happens to you. 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.400 That will happen to you, and it unfairly happened to me. 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.080 You and I discussed this the first day. You would 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.680 be like absolutely on your shit at work and then 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.200 a headline would come through that you've got a full 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:56.040 blown fucking. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:56.600 Bar in your room. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.280 Unfair, cruel, and it guts you right at your talent, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:02.400 right at what. 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:03.800 You've worked so hard to be. 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.840 It's not even gutting you your physical or something. As women, 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.839 we learn to get our physical gutted out the gate. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.840 It's gutting you at your core, at your talent, at 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.800 the thing you prided yourself on. It's disgusting work, and 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:19.160 the other thing you pride yourself on, your love. Like 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.039 maybe there's more to this story, Maybe the partners weren't 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.040 good for these people, Like it's so cruel the way 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.400 people run things. And I've watched a chain with my manager, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.240 even going back and forth. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.039 He was busy. When all this came out. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.359 There are millions of people saying, why didn't you respond 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.040 when I asked if this was accurate? And they're yelling, 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.680 and he's like, I'm sorry, ma'am. I have seven billion clients. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.640 I was on set all day and you chose to 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.960 ran a story without hearing back from me. That's your 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.080 fucking problem. I'm literally looking at chains back and forth. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.560 My lawyer tells me to sue, but guess what. I 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.040 look at these publications and they're pretty big. I'm in fact, 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:58.960 I'm on a show on one of them that's about 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.080 to come out. I'm going to what sue them? And 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:03.800 then what is my edit going to look like? I 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:05.800 already know it's not going to be good considering that 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:07.880 I said they were defaming me on fucking Twitter. 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.480 Well, we wanted to give here a moment, an opportunity 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.120 because yes, I know Twitter or social media can be 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:20.000 a disgusting, okay place, but people have some of them 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.240 have some questions that are legit, and we want to give. 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.240 You an opportunity please, because there are so many Internet 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:26.920 lawyers who's legit tell me their degree. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.480 But here's the thing. But legit being people have a 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.440 legitimate they don't put it in a legit way. But 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.560 they want to know why didn't she testify, And they 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.520 want to put it on you as if you chose 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.479 not to. So the something here says I won't lie. 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:45.400 I was disappointed when I found out you, Aubrey, weren't testifying. 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.680 Any reason as to why they chose not to have 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.560 you testify, but choose don. 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:57.919 Okay, this is why I'm not taking the stand. There 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:02.359 are specific charges that the federal government have utilized in 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:06.400 this indictment. Unless I was a part of this organization 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:11.000 of crime, unless I was participating in freak offs, if 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.880 I were on a video, if I were watching people 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.559 get beat and going back into the world and telling 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.040 everybody this is a great place, these are great people, 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:24.480 and even begging them to come back like my bandmate did. 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:29.840 Like my bandmate did, then maybe I would be on 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.640 the stand. But I didn't partake in any of that. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.680 What happened to me. If something happened to me, like 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.480 I said, I don't know. I don't have any answers yet, 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.440 and I don't like the process in which I have 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.400 been receiving information. Frankly, I've had to live in a 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.320 very fucked up state. So all of you that did 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.240 say something to me, you can go right ahead and 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.840 fuck off if I find you in the streets. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:51.400 I don't fight. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.240 I don't even know how to fight, but I'll definitely 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.360 throw some words in your face. But with that being said, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.200 it's so disrespectful to come at me in the way 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:00.080 that you guys are. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.640 These are criminal charges. I am not a criminal. 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:09.880 I wasn't around during any drugs uh watching people get beat? 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:11.240 Did I see things? Yes? 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.680 I did, and I told Homeland Security everything that I saw, 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.040 every person that I saw, every bit of harassment that 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.160 I experienced, and I gave all the attachments as well. 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.800 To that point, I just want to follow over everything 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.640 I could. I want to follow with this next person 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.280 who was along those same lines. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.400 Is this serious talking about I feel like I'm in 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:32.200 I feel. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:37.440 Like directly to you talked so much up until the trial. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:43.640 Preached NDA but does not testify to promote a podcast 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.480 said they're disappointed. So again, if somebody might have that question, 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.480 they put it in a particular way. But somebody, wait, 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.040 wait a minute, she don't want to testify because she 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:52.840 has a business venture. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:56.720 Learned it from a headline. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.600 But address that the idea that somebody thinks that you 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.319 didn't testify so that you can promote some business venture. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.480 I didn't testify because I haven't been subpoenaed. It's pretty simple, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:08.000 and that. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.360 Should be said everybody. She did. Now, she was not 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.600 beating down the door of iHeart begging somebody please give 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.040 her a microphone. That should absolutely be said and be 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:17.720 made clear. 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.280 I didn't even want to I was. I didn't. Wasn't 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:22.520 You guys had to be here in order for me 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:22.880 to come. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.040 I did not want to even be here, Like I 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.720 don't this is I'm too much in the middle of 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.320 too much crazy shit, and I have no answers. But 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.840 I also see that there's a lot of misinformation, and 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.640 just in the press release of this alone, it has 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.840 turned into a chaotic, negative event. And imagine after twenty years, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.360 people finally believe me and within one day of an 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:48.200 announcement of something good that is credible and telling you 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.360 the truth, finally, so that you don't have to absorb 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.800 lies in headlines from journalistic sources that are not even 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.280 going to the source to confirm their stories, not even 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.920 reaching out. You now have a space that we all 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.680 in this room have worked very hard to create for you, 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.800 and yet you now have turned on me and you're 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.600 calling me a piece of shit again. You all are 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:16.400 pick me children, pick mees. Y'all are pick me We only. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.720 Know what that means because of TJ's our twelve year 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.320 old daughter, who told us what a pick me is. 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.160 You know, you talked about some of the headlines that 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:24.559 are false. 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.480 If they want me to have been in the freak Offs, 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.439 it's like they want me, they want me to have 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.640 have been been involved in all of this. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.800 It's like it's oh, they don't believe that you weren't. 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:36.800 Yeah. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.880 But but the thing is is you all have seen 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.560 me talk back to the man on camera. It was 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:46.160 so palpable that everybody saw me as their favorite. I 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.520 had that same energy on and off camera. I'm not 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.040 an actor. I literally did one Lifetime movie and I 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.040 was horrible. I don't I mean when I had to die, 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.000 it was so fucking stressful. I think they had to 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:57.920 do like seven hundred takes because I don't know how to. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.000 Act this movie we want to watch. 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.200 I'm so sorry time I love you and all, but 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.280 the act I can't remember the lines. 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:08.800 I would just spar on the moment. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.400 I would just give what I felt when the you know, 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.720 like I think I could delivered this for the scene, 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.280 and then we'd have to stop and they would make 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.040 me go back to my room and read the lines, 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:17.800 and I just could never really capture the lines in 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:18.960 my brain. 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:21.360 No, I was murdered. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:22.760 I was chosen. 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.920 Do you know what it's like to actually channeled my 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.120 time with Diddy for that song? 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:29.599 We must see this movie. You got to at the 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.040 end of this. We have to come up with the name. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.720 But you were talking about the false headlines. Here's a doozy. 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:35.760 Here is a doozy? 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.320 Is it written by someone named doozy? 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.440 Well, that would be better. This is actually by. 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:56.280 A so called journalist article by Aubrey O'Day. 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.800 Yeah, So you know what that headline had me fucked up. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.960 I mean that one came like the attacks from that 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.360 headline came like in the middle of the night, after 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.160 we had had a full day of work. I got 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.400 home to all these I saw the article and my 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.040 eyes were like my stomach went into my fuck onto 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.080 the floor. Everybody was attacking me, and so I then 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.040 people that are in support of me and are watching 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.920 and listening to what I'm saying understood and they were like, 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:23.800 this is the woman that wrote it about you, and 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.839 they sent me her name on Twitter. So I went 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.440 to chat GPT. I look this woman up. I learned 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.760 everything about her. It said very senior reporter, it said, 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.599 very credible, established. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:35.000 All these things. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.760 And I asked chat GPT, do you know any information 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:45.719 on that is a piece of gossip that would completely 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.720 run her credibility and make her stomach sink to the 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.719 floor if she were to see it and it were 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.160 to go out into the world. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.200 Can you please tell me what it is? Thank you. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:01.480 Chat GPT responded, I can not participate in that type 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.600 of behavior or something. Oh, I have it screencapped. I 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.960 was gonna post it online, but then I thought to myself, 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:11.360 how could retaliate. Well, I'm about to be on a 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.800 show on their network. They could maybe get a fat 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:15.920 photo of me, or they can continue to use fat 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.240 photos when they talk about me as the main picture. 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.960 They could do all kinds of things to hurt me 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.600 and to discredit me and to shit all over me. 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.120 And I felt sick to my stomach, like I can't 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.520 come after them, They'll just make my life worse because 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:34.560 unfortunately people do believe just the headline and they don't 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:44.280 read the story. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.440 One of the first things someone told me when I 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.920 got into this business, and it came back to bite 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.080 us me in the ass later on in these past 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:53.800 few years. But someone said this to me, and I 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.360 thought it was so gross, and yet it's so true, babe. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.600 Perception is reality. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:06.360 Yeah, that's that is literally Ditty's mantra. It's the corporate mantra. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.520 It's it's appalling because that means anyone else can say 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.600 what they want, and if they say it first, and 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.720 if they say it loudest, that is what people will believe. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.960 Would have no issue if I came after her, because 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.880 she knows that she could just throw out a few 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.360 more headlines to take me down. They are very much 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:29.080 in control, and so by that you kind of choked 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.720 my voice. And I hope you're not an advocate for women, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:36.120 because you just choked an advocate for women the job, bitch. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:40.000 I'm trying to see if there's any other miss. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:41.120 You. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:47.080 Dear dear lady, little did the world know kind kind. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.880 I'm sure she's a lovely, lovely person. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:50.640 Yeah, really lovely bangs are great. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.920 I tried to figure out how how she could have misinterpreted, 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.080 how this there was a mistake. We have talked to 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.160 you about this trial, I think more than probably just 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.000 our Amy Sugarman, our producer is probably the only other 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.120 person you've talked about this drib more than us. There 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.000 is nothing you said that I could pluck out. How 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.000 could anybody think that Aubry Day. 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.680 The poor thing I could think of is that she said, 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.920 and you were being fair, that there were good sides 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.600 to him, But that doesn't mean I support him. You're 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.000 just saying he's a full person who has good sides. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:24.600 And the title was way too pointed. 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.040 But I did see articles that pulled things from this 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.720 podcast and suggested support. 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.440 Of him, and and. 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.040 That's what I've I've discussed with you. The rope for 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.360 women is so little. We don't get much rope. You 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.560 either are this or you're that. If you want to 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.600 dissect something like a whole ass human being who could 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:46.080 potentially lose his entire life after this trial, I'm not 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.800 going to quick trigger on that. I know that he 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.320 was a bad guy, and I also saw good days too. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.520 I need to understand everything in the context of what 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:58.440 evidence the government has secured, and how they are proving 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:02.320 this case, and how him and his attorneys are proving 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.600 this case. I need to understand the facts before I 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.480 make a call on an entire man's life. The whole 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.600 internet has already made a call on it. They're slipping 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.960 around in baby all and laughing, and that is not 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:16.720 anything he is on trial for. 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.680 You know what's so interesting too, And we experienced this 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.400 as well because you mentioned who these people are who 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.600 go on to Twitter or even yes, write articles in 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.640 the name of journalism. Who would do such a thing 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.640 when they know it's false, when they know they haven't 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.200 corroborated it, when they know they don't have a second source, 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.760 and when they know they're flat out making sit up 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.960 for clickbait. Who are these people? It's funny. This one 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.240 who went on to Twitter is her name, so she's 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.080 a mom. How many times have I told you, Well, 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:48.640 if I go and look at some of the profiles 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.920 and the people who have said the nastiest things about us, 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.600 really they're like Grandma loves God, and I'm like, what 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.080 your grandma who loves God like so. 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.640 Many names that I won't even repeat. 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:01.520 But here's grandmother. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:08.080 Right, like loving grandmother, oh grandma as Jesus and her. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:12.840 Family, and she just vis I hope your children get cancer, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.440 And I actually will say that to me's I was 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.080 told I hope your children get raped. 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.960 I have been told, like it is horrific what people 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.119 will go on and say. So here's what we should. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.080 Start naming these people public. 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.640 Well here's what said to you. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:30.880 Yes, so she's a mom and she's stylish. 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:32.640 So here's what she had to say about you don't 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.200 give her things as she is a amy. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.240 This is what she This is her self proclaimed handle 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.480 on ex Okay, this is what she had to say. 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:44.040 This mother full of shit talk a big talk, but 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:49.200 do nothing when it means something. Exclamation point, disgusting exclamation point. 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.080 I hope if you're asked to do the right thing. 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.760 I know it's a hard situation. My daughter went through 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.240 something similar. So because she had a daughter who went 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.800 through something, somehow she thinks you're the person to start 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:03.000 being and tearing down and calling you a liar and 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:04.680 calling you disgusting. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:09.480 Yeah, yeah, you know, I. 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.159 Feel so sad that so many people depend on a 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:19.959 headline for their world news. I feel so sad that 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.840 so many people who don't have law degrees and follow 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.520 three accounts that are legal accounts on Twitter somehow believe 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.240 that they are lawyers. I find it so sad that 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:35.360 people don't understand their own identity so much that they 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.040 have to take on the ones that are being handed. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:39.280 Out to them. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:44.600 It's a sad state that we are in as a culture. 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.800 And it's an even sadder state for somebody who is 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.600 on trial and will lose their entire life. It's even 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:56.120 sadder for people that are taking the stand that are victims. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:02.760 The way that we just tribute news, the way that 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.399 we write headlines, I mean the fact that there is 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:11.440 a term that exists named clickbait. It becomes a defining 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.320 factor of our reputations. All three of us in this 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:18.040 room have experienced that you lose your job over that. 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.480 If they understood the weight of what that was, or 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:26.520 ever had to receive one of those headlines, they would vomit. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:31.160 Yet they are so excited to internalize it and allow 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:35.119 it to become their identity when they haven't. Grace needs 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.600 to be given in regards to these headlines. The term 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:43.520 clickbait isn't in the definition of fucking whatever to not 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.720 be understood by the masses. When I was very young, 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:48.639 a lawyer said to me, you're going to have a 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.720 hard time with defamation. That's why I was so into 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.000 the Johnny Depp trial, because those were two celebrities and 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:58.840 defamation was being claimed on both sides. And unfortunately, the 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:04.560 sources that are honest don't have a full reach over 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.240 most of society. They have a select audience. 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.320 As we wrap up here, as of course, anybody wants 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.159 to go read some negative comments. You got plenty of 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.800