1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: Amy Robot and TJ Holmes present aubrery o Day covering 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: the Diddy Trial. 3 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,519 Speaker 2: It is based on transcripts, sources. 4 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 3: And reporting from the courtroom. 5 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 2: As is obvious, Aubrey Oday is not present in the 6 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: courtroom during the proceedings. Amy and TJ Presents. 7 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 3: Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial. Hello everyone, and welcome, 8 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 3: Welcome to this latest episode of Amy and TJ Present 9 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 3: Aubrey Oday. We are sitting in a studio in New York, 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: just way up the street here in Manhattan. From as 11 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 3: we sit here, as we speak, Aubrey, the testimony continues 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 3: in the Diddy trial. Sure, you have been here with 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: us for the past several days. But you came here 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 3: many people thought you were going to be testifying, and 15 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: that made a lot of headlines and apparently robes from 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: what we've been reading as well, a lot of people 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 3: were looking forward to her testimony and then we're disappointed 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: when she didn't testify. And then an Avalanche Chevre comments came. 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: Well, funny enough you use the word disappointed. I think 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: that's a very kind to use. People, I guess felt 21 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: so personally invested in the case and personally invested perhaps 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: even in Arbury herself, that they got downright angry and 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: mean and in times cruel nasty, Yes, nasty. We've all 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: been a part of this, but it always still kind 25 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: of blows my mind the lengths people will go to 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: and the words they will use in anonymity to then 27 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: bash someone who they think they know, who they think 28 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: they understand why they did or didn't testify, And it's 29 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: just it's appalling because. 30 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: It actually has real life. 31 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: Impact, because you can't not feel something when people aren't 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: just disappointed in you, but actually. 33 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: Call you names. 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 4: Listen, beyond even that, I had been telling people when 35 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 4: I was fired what it is. I was more under 36 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 4: contractual situations that were scary back then, so I couldn't 37 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,919 Speaker 4: just go straight for the target. But I've been getting 38 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 4: more and more voisterous. I've been consistent for twenty years 39 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 4: and telling people this is a problematic area, this is 40 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: a problematic person to be working for. And finally, twenty 41 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 4: years later, instead of getting blacklisted and having all kinds 42 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 4: of things behind the scenes fail. I mean, I had 43 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 4: labels that would call me in ask me to dance 44 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 4: and sing on the spot in front of. 45 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 5: Room fuls of people. 46 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 4: One guy who's a very big person in this industry, 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 4: had me dance for about fifteen minutes to like four 48 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 4: different songs. I didn't even understand how that would be 49 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 4: considered an audition to get a record deal. But I 50 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 4: was basically being humiliated. Then he goes outside to take 51 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 4: a call and comes back in and is like, yeah, 52 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 4: I just got the call. Puff doesn't want anyone touching 53 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 4: you like I was not. Nobody knows that. I mean, 54 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 4: I was being humiliated and at home crying left and right, 55 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 4: like I've lost all of my music career. And they 56 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 4: were on television calling me a whore and promiscuous and 57 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 4: all the I mean, for all the words that he used. 58 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 5: When he fired me. I didn't know then. 59 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 4: What I know now is that they needed to take 60 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 4: my fan base and shift it over to dirty Money, 61 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 4: and I was the favorite, and so they had to 62 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 4: destruct the way that they know how to destruct, and 63 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 4: he utilized his tools, which we'll all learn who the 64 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 4: tools were throughout this trial. But for me, twenty years later, 65 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 4: I now have finally had everybody reporting Aubrey told us so. 66 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 4: I mean, it was literally a headline on like Rolling Stone, 67 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 4: like a credible outlet and they say, you know, Aubrey 68 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 4: told you so, and I did, and I felt so 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 4: empowered to get that voice back now. Like I told 70 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 4: you guys when we first started this, I had to 71 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 4: shed the layers that needed to hear that part so 72 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 4: it didn't hit me the way I wish it could 73 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 4: have hit the parts that are now gone. But to 74 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 4: now open my eyes and have getting the type of hate, 75 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 4: and it's not even just hater, it's I'm not really ever. 76 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 4: I'd never really cared about women. I never really cared 77 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 4: or to protect DV survivors. I wanted to just talk 78 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 4: all this shit to be famous instead of actually fight 79 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 4: for justice that I'm not. I did have decided not 80 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: to take the stand as if I have any fucking 81 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: choice that I'm I mean just I'm getting you fucking 82 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: nasty piece of shit over and over again in so 83 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 4: many ways. And then I go and look at these headlines, 84 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: the people reporting this I have. I'm literally on my 85 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 4: Twitter saying this is defamation. My lawyer told me I 86 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 4: could sue the person that first posted this. The outlet, 87 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 4: they have quotes from Aubrey, quotes from that she gave 88 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 4: a source close to her who is close to me, 89 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 4: because the last time I checked, my dog doesn't know English. 90 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: We laugh, I mean, we feel your pain because. 91 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 4: Probably knows English, but you probably knows several languages. My 92 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 4: dog is fantastic. 93 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: We have been screaming this, that this happens all the time, 94 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: and you don't realize it until it happens to you. 95 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 4: That will happen to you, and it unfairly happened to me. 96 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 4: You and I discussed this the first day. You would 97 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 4: be like absolutely on your shit at work and then 98 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 4: a headline would come through that you've got a full 99 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 4: blown fucking. 100 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 5: Bar in your room. 101 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 4: Unfair, cruel, and it guts you right at your talent, 102 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 4: right at what. 103 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 5: You've worked so hard to be. 104 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 4: It's not even gutting you your physical or something. As women, 105 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 4: we learn to get our physical gutted out the gate. 106 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 4: It's gutting you at your core, at your talent, at 107 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: the thing you prided yourself on. It's disgusting work, and 108 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 4: the other thing you pride yourself on, your love. Like 109 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 4: maybe there's more to this story, Maybe the partners weren't 110 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 4: good for these people, Like it's so cruel the way 111 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 4: people run things. And I've watched a chain with my manager, 112 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 4: even going back and forth. 113 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 5: He was busy. When all this came out. 114 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 4: There are millions of people saying, why didn't you respond 115 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 4: when I asked if this was accurate? And they're yelling, 116 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 4: and he's like, I'm sorry, ma'am. I have seven billion clients. 117 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 4: I was on set all day and you chose to 118 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 4: ran a story without hearing back from me. That's your 119 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 4: fucking problem. I'm literally looking at chains back and forth. 120 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 4: My lawyer tells me to sue, but guess what. I 121 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 4: look at these publications and they're pretty big. I'm in fact, 122 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 4: I'm on a show on one of them that's about 123 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: to come out. I'm going to what sue them? And 124 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 4: then what is my edit going to look like? I 125 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 4: already know it's not going to be good considering that 126 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 4: I said they were defaming me on fucking Twitter. 127 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 3: Well, we wanted to give here a moment, an opportunity 128 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: because yes, I know Twitter or social media can be 129 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 3: a disgusting, okay place, but people have some of them 130 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: have some questions that are legit, and we want to give. 131 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: You an opportunity please, because there are so many Internet 132 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 4: lawyers who's legit tell me their degree. 133 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: But here's the thing. But legit being people have a 134 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: legitimate they don't put it in a legit way. But 135 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: they want to know why didn't she testify, And they 136 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: want to put it on you as if you chose 137 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 3: not to. So the something here says I won't lie. 138 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: I was disappointed when I found out you, Aubrey, weren't testifying. 139 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: Any reason as to why they chose not to have 140 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: you testify, but choose don. 141 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 4: Okay, this is why I'm not taking the stand. There 142 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 4: are specific charges that the federal government have utilized in 143 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: this indictment. Unless I was a part of this organization 144 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 4: of crime, unless I was participating in freak offs, if 145 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 4: I were on a video, if I were watching people 146 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,559 Speaker 4: get beat and going back into the world and telling 147 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 4: everybody this is a great place, these are great people, 148 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 4: and even begging them to come back like my bandmate did. 149 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 4: Like my bandmate did, then maybe I would be on 150 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 4: the stand. But I didn't partake in any of that. 151 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 4: What happened to me. If something happened to me, like 152 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 4: I said, I don't know. I don't have any answers yet, 153 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 4: and I don't like the process in which I have 154 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 4: been receiving information. Frankly, I've had to live in a 155 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 4: very fucked up state. So all of you that did 156 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 4: say something to me, you can go right ahead and 157 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 4: fuck off if I find you in the streets. 158 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 5: I don't fight. 159 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 4: I don't even know how to fight, but I'll definitely 160 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 4: throw some words in your face. But with that being said, 161 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: it's so disrespectful to come at me in the way 162 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 4: that you guys are. 163 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 5: These are criminal charges. I am not a criminal. 164 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 4: I wasn't around during any drugs uh watching people get beat? 165 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 5: Did I see things? Yes? 166 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 4: I did, and I told Homeland Security everything that I saw, 167 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 4: every person that I saw, every bit of harassment that 168 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: I experienced, and I gave all the attachments as well. 169 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: To that point, I just want to follow over everything 170 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: I could. I want to follow with this next person 171 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: who was along those same lines. 172 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: Is this serious talking about I feel like I'm in 173 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 4: I feel. 174 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 3: Like directly to you talked so much up until the trial. 175 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: Preached NDA but does not testify to promote a podcast 176 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: said they're disappointed. So again, if somebody might have that question, 177 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: they put it in a particular way. But somebody, wait, 178 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 3: wait a minute, she don't want to testify because she 179 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: has a business venture. 180 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 5: Learned it from a headline. 181 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: But address that the idea that somebody thinks that you 182 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 3: didn't testify so that you can promote some business venture. 183 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 4: I didn't testify because I haven't been subpoenaed. It's pretty simple, 184 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 4: and that. 185 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: Should be said everybody. She did. Now, she was not 186 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: beating down the door of iHeart begging somebody please give 187 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 3: her a microphone. That should absolutely be said and be 188 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: made clear. 189 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 5: I didn't even want to I was. I didn't. Wasn't 190 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 5: You guys had to be here in order for me 191 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 5: to come. 192 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 4: I did not want to even be here, Like I 193 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 4: don't this is I'm too much in the middle of 194 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 4: too much crazy shit, and I have no answers. But 195 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 4: I also see that there's a lot of misinformation, and 196 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 4: just in the press release of this alone, it has 197 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 4: turned into a chaotic, negative event. And imagine after twenty years, 198 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 4: people finally believe me and within one day of an 199 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 4: announcement of something good that is credible and telling you 200 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 4: the truth, finally, so that you don't have to absorb 201 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 4: lies in headlines from journalistic sources that are not even 202 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 4: going to the source to confirm their stories, not even 203 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 4: reaching out. You now have a space that we all 204 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 4: in this room have worked very hard to create for you, 205 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 4: and yet you now have turned on me and you're 206 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 4: calling me a piece of shit again. You all are 207 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 4: pick me children, pick mees. Y'all are pick me We only. 208 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: Know what that means because of TJ's our twelve year 209 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: old daughter, who told us what a pick me is. 210 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: You know, you talked about some of the headlines that 211 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 2: are false. 212 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: If they want me to have been in the freak Offs, 213 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 4: it's like they want me, they want me to have 214 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 4: have been been involved in all of this. 215 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: It's like it's oh, they don't believe that you weren't. 216 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 217 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: But but the thing is is you all have seen 218 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 4: me talk back to the man on camera. It was 219 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 4: so palpable that everybody saw me as their favorite. I 220 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 4: had that same energy on and off camera. I'm not 221 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 4: an actor. I literally did one Lifetime movie and I 222 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 4: was horrible. I don't I mean when I had to die, 223 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 4: it was so fucking stressful. I think they had to 224 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 4: do like seven hundred takes because I don't know how to. 225 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: Act this movie we want to watch. 226 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 4: I'm so sorry time I love you and all, but 227 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 4: the act I can't remember the lines. 228 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 5: I would just spar on the moment. 229 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 4: I would just give what I felt when the you know, 230 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 4: like I think I could delivered this for the scene, 231 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 4: and then we'd have to stop and they would make 232 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 4: me go back to my room and read the lines, 233 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 4: and I just could never really capture the lines in 234 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 4: my brain. 235 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 5: No, I was murdered. 236 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: I was chosen. 237 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: Do you know what it's like to actually channeled my 238 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: time with Diddy for that song? 239 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 1: We must see this movie. You got to at the 240 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: end of this. We have to come up with the name. 241 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: But you were talking about the false headlines. Here's a doozy. 242 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: Here is a doozy? 243 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 5: Is it written by someone named doozy? 244 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: Well, that would be better. This is actually by. 245 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: A so called journalist article by Aubrey O'Day. 246 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know what that headline had me fucked up. 247 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 4: I mean that one came like the attacks from that 248 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 4: headline came like in the middle of the night, after 249 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 4: we had had a full day of work. I got 250 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: home to all these I saw the article and my 251 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 4: eyes were like my stomach went into my fuck onto 252 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 4: the floor. Everybody was attacking me, and so I then 253 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 4: people that are in support of me and are watching 254 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 4: and listening to what I'm saying understood and they were like, 255 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 4: this is the woman that wrote it about you, and 256 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 4: they sent me her name on Twitter. So I went 257 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 4: to chat GPT. I look this woman up. I learned 258 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 4: everything about her. It said very senior reporter, it said, 259 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 4: very credible, established. 260 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 5: All these things. 261 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: And I asked chat GPT, do you know any information 262 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 4: on that is a piece of gossip that would completely 263 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 4: run her credibility and make her stomach sink to the 264 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 4: floor if she were to see it and it were 265 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 4: to go out into the world. 266 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 5: Can you please tell me what it is? Thank you. 267 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: Chat GPT responded, I can not participate in that type 268 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 4: of behavior or something. Oh, I have it screencapped. I 269 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 4: was gonna post it online, but then I thought to myself, 270 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 4: how could retaliate. Well, I'm about to be on a 271 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 4: show on their network. They could maybe get a fat 272 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 4: photo of me, or they can continue to use fat 273 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 4: photos when they talk about me as the main picture. 274 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 4: They could do all kinds of things to hurt me 275 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 4: and to discredit me and to shit all over me. 276 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 4: And I felt sick to my stomach, like I can't 277 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 4: come after them, They'll just make my life worse because 278 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 4: unfortunately people do believe just the headline and they don't 279 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 4: read the story. 280 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: One of the first things someone told me when I 281 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: got into this business, and it came back to bite 282 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: us me in the ass later on in these past 283 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: few years. But someone said this to me, and I 284 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: thought it was so gross, and yet it's so true, babe. 285 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: Perception is reality. 286 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that is literally Ditty's mantra. It's the corporate mantra. 287 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: It's it's appalling because that means anyone else can say 288 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: what they want, and if they say it first, and 289 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: if they say it loudest, that is what people will believe. 290 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 4: Would have no issue if I came after her, because 291 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 4: she knows that she could just throw out a few 292 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 4: more headlines to take me down. They are very much 293 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: in control, and so by that you kind of choked 294 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 4: my voice. And I hope you're not an advocate for women, 295 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 4: because you just choked an advocate for women the job, bitch. 296 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: I'm trying to see if there's any other miss. 297 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: You. 298 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: Dear dear lady, little did the world know kind kind. 299 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: I'm sure she's a lovely, lovely person. 300 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, really lovely bangs are great. 301 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 3: I tried to figure out how how she could have misinterpreted, 302 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: how this there was a mistake. We have talked to 303 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: you about this trial, I think more than probably just 304 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: our Amy Sugarman, our producer is probably the only other 305 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: person you've talked about this drib more than us. There 306 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: is nothing you said that I could pluck out. How 307 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: could anybody think that Aubry Day. 308 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: The poor thing I could think of is that she said, 309 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: and you were being fair, that there were good sides 310 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: to him, But that doesn't mean I support him. You're 311 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: just saying he's a full person who has good sides. 312 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: And the title was way too pointed. 313 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 4: But I did see articles that pulled things from this 314 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 4: podcast and suggested support. 315 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 5: Of him, and and. 316 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 4: That's what I've I've discussed with you. The rope for 317 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 4: women is so little. We don't get much rope. You 318 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 4: either are this or you're that. If you want to 319 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 4: dissect something like a whole ass human being who could 320 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 4: potentially lose his entire life after this trial, I'm not 321 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 4: going to quick trigger on that. I know that he 322 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 4: was a bad guy, and I also saw good days too. 323 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 4: I need to understand everything in the context of what 324 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 4: evidence the government has secured, and how they are proving 325 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 4: this case, and how him and his attorneys are proving 326 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 4: this case. I need to understand the facts before I 327 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 4: make a call on an entire man's life. The whole 328 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 4: internet has already made a call on it. They're slipping 329 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 4: around in baby all and laughing, and that is not 330 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 4: anything he is on trial for. 331 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: You know what's so interesting too, And we experienced this 332 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: as well because you mentioned who these people are who 333 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: go on to Twitter or even yes, write articles in 334 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: the name of journalism. Who would do such a thing 335 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: when they know it's false, when they know they haven't 336 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: corroborated it, when they know they don't have a second source, 337 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: and when they know they're flat out making sit up 338 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: for clickbait. Who are these people? It's funny. This one 339 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: who went on to Twitter is her name, so she's 340 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: a mom. How many times have I told you, Well, 341 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: if I go and look at some of the profiles 342 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: and the people who have said the nastiest things about us, 343 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: really they're like Grandma loves God, and I'm like, what 344 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: your grandma who loves God like so. 345 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: Many names that I won't even repeat. 346 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 5: But here's grandmother. 347 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: Right, like loving grandmother, oh grandma as Jesus and her. 348 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 6: Family, and she just vis I hope your children get cancer, 349 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 6: And I actually will say that to me's I was 350 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 6: told I hope your children get raped. 351 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: I have been told, like it is horrific what people 352 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 2: will go on and say. So here's what we should. 353 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 5: Start naming these people public. 354 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 2: Well here's what said to you. 355 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: Yes, so she's a mom and she's stylish. 356 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 5: So here's what she had to say about you don't 357 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 5: give her things as she is a amy. 358 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: This is what she This is her self proclaimed handle 359 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: on ex Okay, this is what she had to say. 360 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: This mother full of shit talk a big talk, but 361 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: do nothing when it means something. Exclamation point, disgusting exclamation point. 362 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: I hope if you're asked to do the right thing. 363 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: I know it's a hard situation. My daughter went through 364 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: something similar. So because she had a daughter who went 365 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: through something, somehow she thinks you're the person to start 366 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: being and tearing down and calling you a liar and 367 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: calling you disgusting. 368 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, I. 369 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 4: Feel so sad that so many people depend on a 370 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 4: headline for their world news. I feel so sad that 371 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 4: so many people who don't have law degrees and follow 372 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 4: three accounts that are legal accounts on Twitter somehow believe 373 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 4: that they are lawyers. I find it so sad that 374 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 4: people don't understand their own identity so much that they 375 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 4: have to take on the ones that are being handed. 376 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 5: Out to them. 377 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 4: It's a sad state that we are in as a culture. 378 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 4: And it's an even sadder state for somebody who is 379 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 4: on trial and will lose their entire life. It's even 380 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 4: sadder for people that are taking the stand that are victims. 381 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 4: The way that we just tribute news, the way that 382 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 4: we write headlines, I mean the fact that there is 383 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 4: a term that exists named clickbait. It becomes a defining 384 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 4: factor of our reputations. All three of us in this 385 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 4: room have experienced that you lose your job over that. 386 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 4: If they understood the weight of what that was, or 387 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 4: ever had to receive one of those headlines, they would vomit. 388 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 4: Yet they are so excited to internalize it and allow 389 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 4: it to become their identity when they haven't. Grace needs 390 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 4: to be given in regards to these headlines. The term 391 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 4: clickbait isn't in the definition of fucking whatever to not 392 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 4: be understood by the masses. When I was very young, 393 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 4: a lawyer said to me, you're going to have a 394 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 4: hard time with defamation. That's why I was so into 395 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 4: the Johnny Depp trial, because those were two celebrities and 396 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 4: defamation was being claimed on both sides. And unfortunately, the 397 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 4: sources that are honest don't have a full reach over 398 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 4: most of society. They have a select audience. 399 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: As we wrap up here, as of course, anybody wants 400 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 3: to go read some negative comments. You got plenty of 401 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: opportunities and plenty of options, but I want to ask 402 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 3: not to address anybody directly here. Avery. From the moment 403 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 3: we met you, you kind of came in hot here 404 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 3: to New York because as soon as you got here, 405 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 3: folks knew you were coming, or saw that you were coming. 406 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: Jump to conclusion and just the heat started. So we've 407 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 3: been here with you the last three four plus days, 408 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: and I just I want to ask you a personally, 409 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 3: because you come off obviously you have no problem speaking 410 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 3: your mind. You have no problem calling somebody that writes 411 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: negatively about you a bitch, and complain about her bangs. 412 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: You have no problemp. 413 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 5: Actually you haven't seen in the bank a lot choice. 414 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 3: So to my point, anyone listening this is a strong 415 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: woman who doesn't have any problem speaking up. I just 416 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 3: have to ask, though, as a human being. It's coming 417 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 3: at you from a lot of places, and just what 418 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 3: has and you've been kind of hold up in a 419 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: hotel room here for several days? What happens? But tell me, really, 420 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: just what have this last several days? Just not responding 421 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 3: to anybody directly? What is that like in the quiet 422 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 3: moments when all of this is going on, it's coming 423 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 3: back up, but then all of this heat is coming 424 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 3: at you. I'm just asking how you're doing, Harburn. 425 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: I don't have the luxury right now of tending to myself. 426 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 5: I'm in advocate mode. 427 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 4: And the only way that I can get out of 428 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 4: this world, let's say, over the weekend, was to go 429 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: do the AIDS Walk, to advocate for a whole other 430 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 4: group of people and learn about the laws and learn 431 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 4: about what's stunting disclosure and things that are very important 432 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 4: in that world, and advocate over there for a little 433 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 4: bit where I'm not personally connected. And so I can 434 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: fulfill my purpose, but get away from this hell hole dumpster. 435 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 5: Fire that we're in. 436 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 4: Do you fear it weird as in the people that 437 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 4: lived and breathed in this diddy world? 438 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: Do you feel like once this trial is over you'll 439 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: have some sort of closure either way, however it ends up, 440 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: whatever ends up being the verdict, will that impact your closure, 441 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: if it's guilty or not guilty. 442 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 4: Sadly no, because this is a systematic issue. It's still 443 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 4: very much alive and well in a whole lot of places. 444 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 4: Because we discussed what journalists do today on this podcast 445 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 4: is not going to change a thing. The next time 446 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 4: you two step out and do anything and anyone wants 447 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 4: to target you, they will successfully. The next time someone 448 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 4: wants to target me, they will successfully. They'll probably do 449 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 4: it even more since we've challenged them a little bit. 450 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 4: That's what I've learned in my career. All I do 451 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 4: is challenge these people, and all I do is get 452 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 4: blacklisted some more. I don't ever see the system responding 453 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 4: with accountability. It's so important to just be accountable. Nobody 454 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 4: is wrong or right, nobody is to blame, nobody has 455 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 4: to feel pressure to point fingers. Sometimes a problem is 456 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 4: just a problem on many sides, many angles. When I 457 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 4: walk into situations where I don't see accountability, I fear them. 458 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 4: It's just such an important piece for the people that 459 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 4: wrote nasty things. I even told one of them that 460 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 4: I went back and forth with on DMS when I 461 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 4: had some time. I said, you know, I don't need 462 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 4: your Go listen to the podcast and go make all 463 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 4: your friends listen to it and correct your karma. So 464 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 4: that's how I feel hold yourself accountable. Saying sorry to 465 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 4: me does nothing for me. You already came and shoed 466 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 4: on me before you even asked. The only thing that 467 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 4: you could do to make up for bringing nasty, ugly 468 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 4: energy my way is to put some positive energy my way, 469 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 4: and positive energy right now needs to be going toward 470 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 4: this platform, because this platform is a real space where 471 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 4: the truth can exist without headlines taking over that aren't true. 472 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: Well said, and I think that is the perfect way 473 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: to end this episode, and we look forward to so 474 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: many more as we continue to cover the Ditty Trial 475 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: with the perspective of one of the only people who 476 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: can truly give it. Aubrey Oday, Thank you and thank 477 00:24:53,800 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: you for listening.