1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danny L. Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: I don't know these days, you know, I just I 4 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: don't know where to begin. You know, Donald Trump has 5 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: decided to beckon Paul Manifort back to his campaign. Now, 6 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: if that name sounds familiar, it's because that man is 7 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: a convicted felon who Donald Trump pardoned when he was president, 8 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: who had a bunch of ties to the Russians, who 9 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: did a number of illegal dealings, and is a fucking 10 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: liar and a criminal and a grifter. And Donald Trump's like, yeah, 11 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: you I need you back, right. Peter Navarro just reported 12 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: to jail for you know, being held in contempt of Congress, 13 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: and he's going to serve four months. And you know, 14 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: prison is not a deterrent for these people, is what 15 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: I realize. You know, you would think federal prison would 16 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: be the place that you don't want to go to. 17 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: But when you look at like an Alan Weiselberg, right, 18 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: the former CFO of Trump Organization who worked under Donald 19 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: Trump and his father. You know, he's now been back 20 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: and forth to Rikers, seventy year old man, this doesn't 21 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: seem to be a deterrent for him to continue to 22 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: be under the thumb of Donald Trump. And so, you know, 23 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: if there was ever a case study on how broken 24 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: our justice system is, our legal system is, it is 25 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: the Trumps, right. It is the ability to evade, evade, dobade, delay, delay, delay, 26 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: and just wear out the public because you have, you know, 27 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: seemingly the resources to be able to just muck up 28 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: our judicial system and no one will stand up, you know, 29 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: and just say no. Right. And of course, you know, 30 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: this week we've learned Donald Trump is, you know, apparently 31 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: not as rich as he says that he is, because 32 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: he went to thirty different underwriters for his four hundred 33 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: and fifty million dollar bond in order to appeal you know, 34 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: the decision in the Tiss James case against him about 35 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: fraud and inflation of value, and he can't find anybody 36 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: to underwrite it, right, And apparently this multi billionaire doesn't 37 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: have liquid assets enough and half a billion dollars to 38 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: be able to pony up to continue his appeal. So 39 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: it's just, you know, you look at all of this 40 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: and it's just disgusting, and it's so exhausting to continue 41 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: to follow all of the delays, all of the bullshit, 42 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: all of the lies, like it's just exhausting. And meanwhile, 43 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: I think about the tens of thousands of innocent black 44 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: and brown people who don't have the resources for appeals, 45 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: who are serving out jail sentences that are egregious, you know, 46 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: for minimal bullshit, right like drugs. You know, Meanwhile, Donald 47 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: Trump has harmed three hundred and thirty million plus people 48 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: and he's still walking around free. You know, it's enough 49 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: to make you want to throw your fucking hands above 50 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: your head and just say fuck it, like I just 51 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: don't care. You know, every day it's another assault by 52 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: the Republican Party to roll back fifty years of advancement 53 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: in progress so that white men like Donald Trump can 54 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: continue to you know, have their knee on the neck 55 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: of the little guy and say that they're tall. I'm 56 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: just tired, you know. And their strategy is working. Their 57 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: flood the zone, throw every fucking thing at the wall 58 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: is working in a system where you have a bunch 59 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: of radical right wing judges that are doing the bidding 60 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: of the people that put them there in the first 61 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: fucking place. And it's just nauseating, and it's like, when 62 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: will the people ever have a say? When will the 63 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: people actually win? You know, I don't know. I'm starting 64 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: to believe that maybe it is just for Hollywood, that 65 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't really exist, not in any sustainable, long term way, 66 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: right that you know, you could be lulled into complacency 67 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: about this country with two elections, you know, back to 68 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: back of a brilliant black man, and then be back 69 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: in the drudges of shit, you know, all over again, 70 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: to the point where you don't even remember that that 71 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: win even happened. I just, you know, to today's conversation 72 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 1: with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzil. We talk about this exhaustion. 73 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: We talk about you know, I don't know how to 74 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: move forward, you know, how to continue to pull ourselves 75 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: up when you just feel so horribly weighed down. I 76 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: think that it's an important conversation to continue to have, 77 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: you know, And I'll just offer to some of you 78 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: that I'm reading books right now like Burnout, the Secret 79 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: to Unlocking the stress cycle. I'm reading books like Laziness 80 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: does not Exist. I'm reading books like Broken Open, I'm 81 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: reading books like The Four Pivots, like I'm reading like 82 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: six seven different books right now as a way to 83 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: find some type of guidance on how to best deal 84 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: with this time of you know, continued bullshit. You know, 85 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: just like we've never been here before, so how can 86 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: we use different tools to deal with the moment that 87 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: we currently find ourselves in. And I'm doing all of 88 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: the fucking research to try and figure it out. And I, 89 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, I say to anyone that is an avid reader, 90 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: that is, you know, listening to other shows and whatever, 91 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: please do hit me up, send me a DM you know, 92 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: comment on Patreon and the comment section under you know 93 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: these episodes, like do tell me what it is you 94 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: know that you are doing and using as a resource, 95 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: because I think that we can all use it. Coming 96 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: up next, my conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, 97 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: you know that whenever we have the opportunity to sit 98 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: down with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, I 99 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: am always always thrilled Jonathan. I don't know about you, 100 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: but I have not been feeling my best. I have 101 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: not been sleeping well. I have felt very physically and 102 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: emotionally exhausted, and like I was saying before we started 103 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: recording for the first time. No, it's this is the 104 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: second time I took magnesium to go to sleep, and 105 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: it works like no sleep hangover like other you know, 106 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: sleep aids or anything like that. But this is a 107 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: sign of my fraying nerves. 108 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: Well, I feel like we're gonna I mean, I'm not 109 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: going to assume anything. I just I'm just going to 110 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: state for the fact that like you and I are 111 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: effectively the same person and two bodies and so and 112 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: which we know is true. And and I think part 113 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: of that thing is like it's there's just this is 114 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: like geopolitical anxiety. Like Durkheim, the sociologist, used to call 115 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: this anomi like oh sense of despair that basically the 116 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: world is spending away from you that you have no 117 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: control or something like that. So there's a whole sociological 118 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: literature which is basically about people like we're in right now, 119 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: which is kind of the fascism for play stage of 120 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: the world, which is it's not so much that like 121 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,119 Speaker 2: bad stuff per se totally is one hundred percent happening 122 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: right now, but you can see everybody like it's like 123 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: that feeling of being the only person who sees the 124 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: monster in a scary movie all the time, you know, 125 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: and so that's kind of what it feels like for 126 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: people who like are worried about the direction. Right, So 127 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: there's this sense of like people you know telling you that, oh, 128 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: I'm not going to vote, or the candidates are the same, 129 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: or you know, they really like, I mean credit to 130 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: the RFK Junior campaign, they're doing a great social media game, 131 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: but they're like, oh, yeah, you know, maybe vaccines are 132 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: really you know, I probably got cavities in junior high 133 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: because of my vaccines or something like that. People are 134 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: just not reasonable right now, and so there's this sense 135 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: of kind of where is this all going That to 136 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: me is just incredibly physiologically personally unsettling, Like you can 137 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 2: kind of relax for a minute, but you can't relax 138 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: in the way that like we were talking about before. 139 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: Remember last week we talked about like go go back 140 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: to yourself before the pandemic, where you know, all the bad. 141 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: Stuff, right, the questions that you asked me right right, 142 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: right right. 143 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: And so in a way like now we're we're in 144 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: the middle of it, Like there's something really unsettling about change, 145 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: and there's also you know, I'm sure there's like noise 146 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: around our apartments and all these other reasons for insomnia. 147 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: But right now it's just kind of like this sense 148 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: of I feel like it's like if you had to 149 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: do an algebraic calculation of what it feels like right now. 150 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: Like here's the line and it's one over the Obama 151 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: Hope poster. Remember, like the Hope poster where we were 152 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: all on the same team. Yes, yes, it was like 153 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: people used to say, like the invisible hand of Obama, 154 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: like we're all like being taken care of, and we're 155 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: all we were out strategizing those guys. So hope wasn't 156 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: just like hope about like the future. It was hope 157 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: about like being on a team that was really on 158 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: the ball in terms of like you know, they they 159 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 2: were out thinking everybody. And now, like even the people 160 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 2: who were telling us before Biden was going to win, 161 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 2: like Mark what's his name, the trial lawyer who does 162 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: the cases. I watched him on MSNBC the other day 163 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: and he was the guy before who was like, we 164 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: got this, Biden is not going to lose. Everybody, calm down, 165 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 2: and he looked like he was doing a hostage video 166 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 2: like everybody. So people, I think are just people are 167 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: just nervous right now, and the question is like how 168 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: do we how do we get back to a place 169 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: like of solidity or it's really a place of strategy. 170 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: Right You're talking and I'm you know, and I'm listening 171 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: to you, and I'm thinking about really, Jonathan, like all 172 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: of the different versions of ourselves that we've gone through 173 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: since twenty sixteen, right, Like there have been and I 174 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: think that one of the reasons why we are so 175 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: exhausted is because we have lived like I don't know, 176 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: maybe five different lives since twenty sixteen. Right, Like, there 177 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: was the life that you were living as Donald Trump 178 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: was running against Hillary Clinton, and you still had that 179 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: kind of feeling of the Obama impossibility. We can make 180 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: this happen, you know, momentum, There's no way we elect 181 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: this guy following you know, the first black president that 182 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: the world loved, Like that just doesn't make any sense. 183 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: Then that happens, then there's like this state of shock. 184 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: So you're living in like your shell shocked self, Like 185 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: what is this reality that I'm in. I can't trust 186 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: this country that I once trusted to be in this 187 00:11:55,640 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: line of progression that it's been for my entire life, right, like, 188 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: things have always gotten better. Maybe they've backslid in some areas, 189 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: but by virtue of the perspective that I have as 190 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: growing up, you know, middle class in America with more 191 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: than enough, and so I'm recognizing the place that I'm 192 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: coming from. Things have always gotten better in my universe 193 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: and world. And then they backslide. Then we go into 194 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: a pandemic. Everything is just fucked up. Then we've lived, 195 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: like you know, within the pandemic time at least three 196 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: different lives in that time, and then we're in the 197 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: now place. And then now is I can't trust anything 198 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: around me at any moment. Another pandemic could erupt at 199 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: any moment, like another war can be announced at any moment. 200 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: Like it's just this sense of consistently waiting not just 201 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: for the other shoe to drop, but like the bomb 202 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: that you're waiting for figuratively and literally to drop here. 203 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: And the other part of it, I think is like 204 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: the institutional story, which is like even when twenty sixteen happened, 205 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: at least we had like the institutions still in place. 206 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: But now it feels like that there's just been such 207 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: a sustained war on like the infrastructure. That part of 208 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: that anxiety is like there's just there's no fail safe 209 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: in a way right now is I think I'm just 210 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: trying to process like why we feel this way, And 211 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: part of this thing is that it's like there's no 212 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: fail safe to how this is feeling right because the 213 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: institutions that you thought, like even when Trump was doing 214 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: all this crazy shit the first time, it was kind 215 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: of like, oh, the CDC is going to stand up 216 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: to him and that whatever, and you know now they're 217 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 2: coming in with like a really strategic, coherent plan that 218 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: every everything is going to be politicized if this happens. 219 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 2: And so it's just the checks and balances don't feel 220 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: like I want to I would take checks or balances 221 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: I don't need. I just give me one even right now. 222 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 2: But it doesn't feel like there's that. And then I 223 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: don't know here's I mean. So let me just say, 224 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: like I understand every time you send a TikTok out 225 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 2: into the wilderness, I feel it also like you know 226 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like. 227 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,359 Speaker 1: I understand I reach anybody. 228 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: Know I So I want you to know like I'm here, 229 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: like I've got a lighter and I'm holding it up, 230 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: and I'm like swaying and stuff like that. So you know, 231 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: so I hear you first, let me say, but but 232 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: I guess the question is like what can we do 233 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: that is not howling, which is what we're doing now. 234 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: We're howling. 235 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I. 236 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: Don't know, like, and so is there something that could 237 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: happen between now and whenever? They could like change the narrative, 238 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: you know, is there some political thing that could happen? 239 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: For example, is there some going on the offense? Is 240 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: there something that Democrats could do? I mean, I think 241 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: about this a lot, like I do feel like part 242 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: of the this is just kind of the part of 243 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: the buying we're in right now, is that we just 244 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: have like if you watch like liberal television, for example, 245 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: ninety percent of it is about Trump, right, It's about 246 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: bad stuff Trump did. And it's because like we have 247 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: a defensive game, but we don't really have an offensive game, 248 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: like like, oh, here's some cool things Biden did, or 249 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: you know, what are Biden's picks for the NCAA tournament. 250 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: Or but it doesn't The thing is like none of 251 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: like because I am not on the conservative like sphere, right, 252 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: So I don't get any of the news that they get. 253 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: I am in somehow, you know, I am in progressive 254 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: news funnels, and I am in whatever is considered like mainstream. 255 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: The reality is is that no one cares about the 256 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: things that Biden is doing. Well, they don't care mainstream media, 257 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: like it's not even about the narrative that's coming out 258 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: of the White House. Because I think, I honestly will 259 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: say that I think that they are trying right, like 260 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: it comes across my social media, but mainstream media doesn't care. 261 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: Well and and they're you know there, and I mean 262 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: mainstream media is like hanging on the lip of the 263 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: black hole as every thing gets sucked into the void 264 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: right now. I mean we know this because we know 265 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: the people. But so it's it's it's hard because but 266 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: the other issue, let's just be honest, is Biden is 267 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: not like Newsworthy in the way that you know Trump, 268 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: Trump speaks in provocative, moronic social media clips or something 269 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: like that, and so you know, you know, this is 270 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: what we have, right but Biden and Biden is running 271 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: the country. So it's pretty exhausting too, but it is, 272 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: you know, it is this is what we got. So 273 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: this is this is what we got so we got to, 274 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: you know. But I love that David Sedaris quote that 275 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: you posted the other day. 276 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, family, I'm like, who did I even see? 277 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: I stole it from a friend of mine who had 278 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: posted it, and I was just like, oh my god. 279 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is amazing. I want to be so 280 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: folks know what we're uh, what we're talking about. Let 281 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: me pull it up because it was so poignant. So 282 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: here's folks, here's the quote by David Sadaris says, quote. 283 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: I think of being on a plane. The flight attendant 284 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: comes down the aisle with her food cart and eventually 285 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: parks it beside my seat. Can I interest you in 286 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: the chicken? She asks? Or would you prefer the platter 287 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: of shit with bits of broken glass in it? To 288 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: be undecided in this election is to pause for a 289 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked. It's 290 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: so I mean, it's so perfect because this is what 291 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: Americans are doing right now. It's like Donald Trump is 292 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: telling you everything. There is nothing that is a secret. 293 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five is right on the Heritage Foundation's website. 294 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: They are telling you that they're coming for social entitlements, 295 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: they're telling you that they are coming for a national 296 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: abortion band for IVF. They're telling you that they are 297 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: getting rid of anything that has to do with Dee 298 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: and I. They are telling you like every single thing 299 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: that they are doing. They are rolling out in cases 300 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 1: and in peatrie dishes like Texas and Florida, Alabama and 301 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: what have you. And America is like, hmm, whoa you know? 302 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 2: Biden stutters, yeah, well, but I mean, here's my problem 303 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: with the way, not you and I formulated, but it's 304 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: being formulated more broadly. The scariest part of this is 305 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: that people want Trump. Like I interview a lot of people. 306 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 2: It's not like it's not like, oh there, some people 307 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: are sleepwalking. The people we know are sleepwalking. But other 308 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: people really want Trump. Like what Trump is saying is 309 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 2: what they want. They want They want that world, which 310 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: is to me a world. And I don't think people 311 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: realize quite how depressing it is, you know, hunting down 312 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: your enemies and not having freedom and looking over your shoulder. 313 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: And will you be able to get your driver's license renewed? 314 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: Will you able to get through airport security? Can you travel? 315 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: Can you work? You know? What ideological tests are you 316 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: going to have to take to prove yourself. You're going 317 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 2: to get spied on by your neighbors. Like, we know 318 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: how this works because it's happened to many other countries, 319 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 2: not ours. It's not very fun and it's not a 320 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 2: great way to live, but a lot of people want 321 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 2: that life. They want like dad in control and punishing 322 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 2: their enemies and all that kind of stuff. Those guys, 323 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: I just think, more power to you if that's the 324 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: world you want. But the thing the scarier part for me, 325 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: and I think the audience you're talking to are like 326 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: our friends who are like zoned out. 327 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 328 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 2: Like if everybody just votes for Biden, who've from last time, 329 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: We're fine, We're there, you know, we're fine. But it's 330 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: really the people who are like being distracted and don't 331 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: see the David Sadaris binarya in. 332 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: A way, if you're not seeing the David Sadaris scenario, 333 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: if you're not seeing that picture, then you're just not 334 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: paying attention. And if you're not paying attention, then I 335 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: don't know what else to do, right, And that's kind 336 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: of why I posted the video that I did this 337 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: week of me just like exasperated because if you're at 338 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: a place, and here's the thing, Like I get where 339 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: people are as it pertains to Israel and Gaza. I 340 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: know I am in that same place. But if, for 341 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: whatever fucking reason, you think that things are going to 342 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: get better for people in Gaza, for the Palestinians as 343 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: a whole, if Donald Trump becomes president, then you really 344 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck you were talking about. Right 345 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: then you really have no idea for an issue that 346 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: you may have woken up to six months ago. You 347 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: really have no idea like that you are holding not 348 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: only your life, but their lives in your hand with 349 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: this singular vote. 350 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I follow the Israeli media very closely, 351 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: and I have a lot of collaborators in Israel and 352 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: as you know, relatives and stuff like that. And I 353 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: can just tell you the Israeli right wants Trump to 354 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: win so that they can wipe everybody out. You know, 355 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: the Israeli right are Trump supporters. And so I don't 356 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: I agree with you in so so many ways. Now, 357 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: I think we need I guess, answer my own question, 358 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: because we just have five minutes left. I think we 359 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: need we need like a common cause, you know, And 360 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: I think democracy might be abstract. I don't know, we 361 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 2: need some kind of we need some way to remind 362 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: ourselves we're all on the same team. Like, I just 363 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: think losing democracy is very abstract for a lot of people, 364 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: So I don't know to parts of the issue is 365 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: like how can we how can we concretize being on 366 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 2: the same team in a way? I mean, I personally 367 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: have thoughts about how I plan to go about this, 368 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: which maybe we can talk about next week. I personally 369 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: feel like the anti DEI stuff has actually gone way 370 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 2: too far. It's actually, yeah, it's getting to the point 371 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: where like you're either on one side of it or 372 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 2: you're on the other. But it's getting to the point 373 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 2: where it just is really really egregious what they're trying 374 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: to do. Like I'm you know, let's talk next week 375 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: about this what they're trying to do. There's a bill 376 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 2: today to outlaw like not just DEI and met education, 377 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: but like the ability of medical centers to treat low 378 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: income people. Basically, Like it's getting to the point of insanity. 379 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: But I just think we need, like we need some 380 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: concrete common causes that remind everybody why we're on this 381 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: side of this side something something like that. So I 382 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: don't know, that's that's that's my thought. 383 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, everyone in this country doesn't 384 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: vote who is eligible to vote. A majority of people 385 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: think that, you know, politics has nothing to do with 386 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: their lives. It is not for a lack of trying 387 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: and articulation imagination that there are people who just don't 388 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: care and are never going to care. Right. There are 389 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: people that are interviewed that think that the Supreme Court 390 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: overturned Roe v. Wade because of Joe Biden, right, because 391 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: they have absolutely no idea how government works and have 392 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 1: no idea who installed the last three justices. When Hillary 393 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: Clinton was very clearly articulating that the Supreme Court hangs 394 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: in the balance with the twenty sixteen election, everyone shrugged 395 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: and said, oh, I can't hear you because you're a woman, 396 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: and you shriek. Right. So it's like, I'm at the 397 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: point where I do believe that forty percent of the 398 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: country wants an authoritarian. I do believe that forty percent 399 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: of the country thinks that somehow they will be better 400 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: off even though over the four years of Donald Trump 401 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: nothing in their life changed. They just had somebody who 402 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: hated the same people as they did, and to all 403 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: of the research and work that you've done, that's what 404 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: they want. They don't actually want their life to change. 405 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: But also like, he is promising people power, Like I 406 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: just that's my frustration now. 407 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: And the only people that get power with an authoritarian 408 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: is the authoritarian. 409 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: No, I know, I know that I'm saying he's promising 410 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: them power in ways that they that they resonate with. 411 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, but again, our job now is to make 412 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: that concrete for people, like, here's exactly what it'll mean 413 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 2: for your life, Like, it can't be. I just think 414 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: losing democracy is really abstract. 415 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: That's see. This is the only place that you and 416 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: I differ, which is that I don't think that losing 417 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: democracy is that abstract. Right, in twenty twenty one, half 418 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: the population in this country had bodily autonomy. Now they 419 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: do not. How fucking more concrete do you need it 420 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: to get it? 421 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: I just think we need to keep making it. I 422 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: think you basically you need to scare the shit out 423 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 2: of people about what's coming. I'm terrified you and I 424 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 2: are taking you take magnesium. Yeah, I'm gonna try magnesium tonight. 425 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: Seriously, it works. Yeah, Oh, my friend Jonathan as always 426 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: appreciate you making the time for Woke a f And 427 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you'll start dolling up prescriptions. I don't 428 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: have every episode the. 429 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: Helpful beside the state looking over my shoulder for every 430 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: case and locking up me probably in all my patients. 431 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: It'll be great for business. 432 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: So other than that, great for business. See you next week, 433 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: my friend. 434 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 2: Take everybody, keep living the dream. 435 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on wok 436 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: f as always power to the people and to all 437 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fun