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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all. So what's happening

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Speaker 1: in women's basketball right now is what we've been trying

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Speaker 1: to get to for almost thirty years. From the stadiums

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Speaker 1: where athletes break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Quar broke the all time single game assists record.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy for rookies to be doing.

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Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 1: and the community we create. Welcome to Naked Sports. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Carrie Champion. Merry Christmas Eve, Happy holidays to

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Speaker 1: all of you. This is our last episode before we

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Speaker 1: jump into the new year. I hope you really do

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. The purpose of today's episode one is to

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Speaker 1: talk to a fellow journalist. And I know I've been

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Speaker 1: on a bit of a role with my fellow journalists,

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Speaker 1: but I was really curious about my friend I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: in has a show on MS NOW formerly known as MSNBC,

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Speaker 1: and I've known him for some time. I actually met

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Speaker 1: him last year at the Super Bowl. We both attended

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Speaker 3: About how he's been able to.

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Speaker 1: Weather this storm. And I don't want to be the

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Speaker 1: person who is screaming and saying the world is coming

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Speaker 1: I do think is happening in real time is that

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Speaker 1: to policy, whether it be what's happening with ice in

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Speaker 1: it comes to healthcare. I hear people talking about their

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Speaker 1: we all don't know each other. Last week I had

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Speaker 1: how we want to go about telling our unique stories

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Speaker 1: and how it relates to policy. But for me, there's

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Speaker 1: I hope that you enjoy his perspective. We talk about

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Speaker 1: a little bit of everything, not just politics. We talk

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Speaker 1: We talk about the evolution of the politician. Because I

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Speaker 1: don't care what you say. Donald Trump to me is

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Speaker 3: It's not broad strokes. I'm sure some of you disagree.

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Speaker 1: With that statement, but it's interesting to see how they

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Speaker 1: sit back and relax. This very informative addition of naked sports.

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Speaker 3: And you know what you can do.

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Speaker 1: Because it is the holiday, you should be listening to

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Speaker 2: Finally made it to naked sports.

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Speaker 1: Oh stop, we're not even gonna talk sports. We're talking politics.

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Speaker 1: We're talking a little bit of sports. Wen't talk about FIFA.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm curious about, though I don't know

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Speaker 2: They decided to move to the US, like many immigrants,

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Speaker 3: Life in Detroit. I'll say, let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: So people are watching this podcast, listening to this podcast,

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Speaker 2: Epstein, powerful men who thought that they were above the law,

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Speaker 1: The only reason why, as you say that, I'm kind

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Speaker 1: I do believe that's what and they come along every

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Speaker 2: I good for you. I experienced ignorance, right, and that

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Speaker 2: I do feel that the experience that I had is

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about your religion and maybe your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I'm not like nobody said to me, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: right Like I never experienced that. I never, I never again.

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Speaker 2: about what that was. But I never me or my

439
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 2: family never personally experienced like waking up with any kind

440
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Speaker 2: of like direct hate at us for being Arabs or Muslims.

441
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Speaker 2: That is my single experience. I don't want to I

442
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 2: don't want to.

443
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Speaker 1: Make that that's wonderful and that's fascinating, especially in Georgia.

444
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Speaker 2: I know, I know, that's why. That's why I'm saying too,

445
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: like I did not experience that direction.

446
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Speaker 3: Okay, so that was ignorance on my part to assume

447
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Speaker 3: you have.

448
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: No, I hadn't, honestly. Yeah, that's not to take away

449
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: from many Arabs and Muslims who experienced it. Again, no, right, no,

450
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Speaker 2: especially after nine to eleven, you know, yeah, no, yeah, I.

451
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Speaker 3: Was gonna say after nine to eleven.

452
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Speaker 1: Nothing after nine eleven, you felt you felt safe, You

453
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Speaker 1: didn't feel somebody across the street when you was walking

454
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Speaker 1: down the street, you didn't feel like people.

455
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Speaker 3: Were like there.

456
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Speaker 2: I know, I mean, look, that is a fair question.

457
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Speaker 2: I just don't remember in my head whether I ever

458
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Speaker 2: felt in a specific moment like I think the moments

459
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Speaker 2: that we think of as Muslims in this country. Experiencing

460
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 2: racism would be things like were you sent to secondary

461
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: screening and oh, you know traveling at the airport? Whoa,

462
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Speaker 2: And that's stuff that I did experience, right, But that's

463
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Speaker 2: kind of like, again, I consider that to be a

464
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: form of racism, but it's not a racism that I think.

465
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Speaker 2: I traveled a lot to the Middle East, and so

466
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Speaker 2: I was going to a lot of dangerous places in

467
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Speaker 2: war zones, and so when I was coming back to

468
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: the US, I was always taken to additional security. So

469
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Speaker 2: there's like two parts of my brain that would say, like,

470
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Speaker 2: is this happening to me because I am a Muslim

471
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Speaker 2: American coming back to the US, Or is this happening

472
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Speaker 2: to me because I was a journalist who was just

473
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Speaker 2: in I Rock for three years.

474
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Speaker 1: Well that's but by the way, that's a smart way

475
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Speaker 1: to look at it. It also a smart not a

476
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Speaker 1: smart way, it's a very thoughtful way to look at it,

477
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Speaker 1: because you don't want to let I mean, I just

478
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Speaker 1: know people who can let racism isms.

479
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Speaker 3: Yes the nation.

480
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Speaker 2: So that's why I'm saying I didn't experience that. But

481
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: but again, there's no way you can deny that people

482
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Speaker 2: who were wearing shirts in Arabic were pulled off planes,

483
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: or people who are wearing hajeb were harassed. That that

484
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Speaker 2: is a form of racism. I just didn't experience it.

485
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Speaker 2: The limited experiences that I had are things that when

486
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Speaker 2: I tried to analyze them, I could never definitively say, hey,

487
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Speaker 2: that is happening to you because you are a Muslim

488
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Speaker 2: Arab man coming in this country, or your name is

489
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Speaker 2: Amen or whatever. It was like in my head, I

490
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 2: would say, like, you know, I just came back from

491
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Speaker 2: like six months in a rock. It's a war zone.

492
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Speaker 2: I just came back from Syria. Maybe they're taking me

493
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Speaker 2: on the side because they can see that my plane

494
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: ticket just says like I was coming back from the

495
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Speaker 2: Middle East, you know what I mean? And that was

496
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Speaker 2: because or both or both.

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Speaker 1: You have a show on MS now and you cover

498
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Speaker 1: these stories. I know it's not hard for you to

499
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Speaker 1: stay professional because I've watched and I've seen. But I

500
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: do believe we all bring our own bias. I'm a journalist.

501
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: I bring my own bias, but it's not a biased opinion.

502
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Speaker 1: I try to speak from what I've experienced and what

503
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Speaker 1: I see and what I know. Does that ever interfere

504
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Speaker 1: with you being objective or do you find that you

505
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Speaker 1: can be objective even though you are Palestinian.

506
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Speaker 2: I can definitely be objective, But actually I try to

507
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: shy away from the word of being objective. I try

508
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Speaker 2: to be fair, and I think fair is much more important.

509
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Speaker 2: Very Yeah, I think being fair is much more important

510
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: than being objective. Yea, Because also I think the reason

511
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: why we're seeing such a shift in the in the

512
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: media landscape in this country is people want people who

513
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: are real and authentic, and they want people to be

514
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: their honest selves. Right, And when you can hear my

515
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: honest experience, then you, as a viewer, you know, as

516
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: a as a watcher, listener, reader, can decide for yourself. Like, Hey,

517
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: this guy introduced an idea to me that I had

518
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 2: not heard anywhere else. And I don't you know, in

519
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: our business, we are constantly told bring your whole self

520
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: to the game, right, I.

521
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Speaker 1: Say, I don't think anybody wants that, though, I mean bosses,

522
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: that is maybe the people.

523
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Speaker 2: There's a period of Again, look, you know in our business,

524
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Speaker 2: there's like in journalism, Yeah, there's a difference between perspective

525
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: programming and news programming, right, Like we have different responsibilities.

526
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: So I am on the perspective side where the company

527
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: encourages me to bring my opinion. The opinion should be

528
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: grounded in facts, and it should meet certain journalistic standards,

529
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: but they want you to give your opinion on issues

530
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: that matter to the broader world. So I think when

531
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: I say the important thing is to be fair, is

532
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: that when you are making a case for something, or

533
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: if you're trying to highlight what is happening in Gaza

534
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: that is not getting enough attention, or if you're trying

535
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Speaker 2: to expose or highlight the hypocrisy of what American foreign

536
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 2: policy is about, or the double standards in terms of

537
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: international law, for example. You're doing that grounded in facts,

538
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: but you're doing that in a way that you can

539
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 2: say to viewers like you wouldn't be cool with this

540
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: happening in your own country. You wouldn't be happy with

541
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: schools being bombed, hospitals being bombed. You wouldn't be happy

542
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 2: with these things happening here by any other country, So

543
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: why are you okay with your tax dollars being used

544
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: to fund that somewhere else? That's what I try to do.

545
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: I try to be fair more so than I just

546
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Speaker 2: simply I don't think a journalist's job if somebody says, hey,

547
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: it's raining outside, for you to say this person says

548
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: it's raining, that person says it's not raining. I genuinely

549
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: think that your responsibility is to kind of stick your

550
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: head out the window and tell the world what you're seeing.

551
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: It's actually I see the rain coming and it doesn't

552
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: look good, and the wind is coming as well.

553
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Speaker 2: I had a professor in college who used to do

554
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Speaker 2: this exercise, who would hold that he would divide the

555
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: class down the middle and hold up a quarter and

556
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Speaker 2: tell people what they're seeing on this side of the quarter,

557
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: and tell and ask these people like, hey, what do

558
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: you and these students what are you seeing on this side?

559
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: And they would describe the tails, and they would describe

560
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: their head, and they both see their own reality. But

561
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: he was able to see what the entire experience was

562
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Speaker 2: and able to describe to both what they see on

563
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Speaker 2: both sides. It's hard sometimes, right, because it's like you

564
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 2: only live on one side of the divide and can

565
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: only see one side of the quarter. Sure, And what

566
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: I would like to think our positions allow us to

567
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Speaker 2: do is to be able to actually walk around the

568
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Speaker 2: entire quarter and say, hey, I've walked around the whole thing,

569
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Speaker 2: and I'm telling you you hear are the things that

570
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Speaker 2: I've noticed. I see the heads on this side, I

571
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Speaker 2: see the tails on this side, and I see the

572
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Speaker 2: person holding it, and I see the students on both

573
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Speaker 2: sides of it.

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Speaker 1: I think, since you brought that up, that's a really

575
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: great point. I think since the pandemic, we have been

576
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: experienced a lot of new like the veil has been lifted.

577
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: I think Americans in general understand this country better. Yeah,

578
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: I think that. I think that the days of picking

579
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: left or right have really Yes, that it's still there,

580
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: but I think that in general, if you are looking

581
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Speaker 1: at both sides, you're like, you see the flaws on

582
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: both sides. You're not leaning I'm not leaning left or

583
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: leaning right. I'm like everybody's fucked up. Like you know,

584
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: this whole situation is just fucked up.

585
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Speaker 2: Well, I always say, like, you can't. You can't have

586
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: a country of three hundred and thirty million people and

587
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: reduce them into two camps based on like six.

588
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Speaker 3: I've never heard of such a thing.

589
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: Like you're a complex person. I'm a complex person. Most

590
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: people are complex people.

591
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Speaker 1: I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, and you can't

592
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Speaker 1: make and then and the independent doesn't exist in the

593
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Speaker 1: way that they think it should.

594
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that that's like, that's an unfortunate

595
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: part of our politics, as we have a two party

596
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: system in which our politics are reduced to like six

597
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: litmus test questions like are you pro guns? Are you

598
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: pro life? Are you pro equality? Or you anti this?

599
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: Do you believe in climate change? Once you've done like

600
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: the seven or eight boxes, you're like, Okay, now I

601
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: know what camp you're in, and you know what camp

602
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Speaker 2: I'm But what's happened to your point is that like,

603
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Speaker 2: actually these things are now evolving. People don't necessarily it's

604
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Speaker 2: no longer a Republican and a Democrat thing, some people

605
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: have said, now it's become like a top bottom thing,

606
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Speaker 2: like it's class you know, classist. Sure, the wealthy are

607
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Speaker 2: in one side and the people on the bottom are

608
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Speaker 2: on the other side, and you can kind of see

609
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 2: the world through that prism. But the reality but it is,

610
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Speaker 2: I think people are changing the world is changing so

611
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: much because people have so much access to information and

612
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: they can see for themselves, like wait, a minute, I

613
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: actually agree with like sixty percent of this Republican's viewpoint

614
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: on so many things. I don't agree on some of these.

615
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Speaker 2: And that's where this is not getting really confusing for people,

616
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: because now we're like, wait a minute, I agree with

617
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: this person, but this person is also you know, I

618
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: don'tlike all of his other stuff. And you realize, like,

619
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Speaker 2: you know what, you probably have a lot more in

620
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: common with somebody who's on the other side of the

621
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: divide that you're led to believe is on the other

622
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: side of the divide than you would just based on

623
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: being put in a camp, like, hey, this is your team.

624
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: You got to get along with everybody on your team.

625
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't think that people even want to

626
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: agree with I even I think what's interesting about that

627
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: you talk about left and right and or where do

628
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: you live? Based on these random questions. I also am

629
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: starting to see how men and women are divided now. Yeah,

630
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: like more than ever, men are on one side of

631
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Speaker 1: the camp. They feel this way about women. Women are

632
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: over here and they feel a certain way about man.

633
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: Like we're in mad.

634
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: Gender wars like never before. And in my mind, I'm thinking,

635
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: this camp, this cannot be good. It really can't be good.

636
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: And well in what way? Like in what way do

637
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: you see like a gender divide?

638
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: So dating, you hear more women say, eh, I'm just

639
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: gonna stay home. I don't feel like it. I don't

640
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: want to be bothered.

641
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: More and more women are and I don't and I've

642
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: and I'm reading stories about it. You see the fun

643
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: story about you know, it's not cool to say you

644
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: have a boyfriend anymore, Like it's uncool, like no one

645
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: And if you do, you're not posting him on social

646
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't. Yeah, no, we're not posting you.

647
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: You're fine. I don't need it. Or I hear men

648
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: say it's hard today women. You know, Sky Galloway has

649
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: a whole philosophy. He's gonna be on the part. He's

650
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: gonna come on the podcast in a couple of weeks,

651
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: and he has this whole philosophy about men being lonely,

652
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: that's why they behave the way they behave. And I'm

653
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: where we headed? And is it because is it because

654
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: we do have so much information? Is it because women

655
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: are seemingly advancing faster than men in other areas unless

656
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: they are heterosexual white males, right, there is this thing

657
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: that looks like we are we're pushing ourselves away from

658
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: being with men in general, like and being asexual being.

659
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't really have time for it. I can tell

660
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: you countless women I know, beautiful, smart, successful, all the

661
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: things lists stay home, want to cook, not just working

662
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: just so they are like, I.

663
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: Don't feel like it, so I have maybe I have

664
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: a slightly different take on it.

665
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: I love that you have a slightly different take I read.

666
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: I think the way that I read it is that

667
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: we now have the ability to see what we're worth.

668
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: And because we can see what we're worth, we're not

669
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: going to waste our time with anything that may make

670
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: us feel less than what we're worth. So if I

671
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 2: am a single guy, which I'm not, but if I'm

672
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: a single guy or a single woman, and I feel

673
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: good about myself, and I'm kind of like out there

674
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: looking at the quality of the men or the women

675
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: that I could potentially partner with the consensus in the

676
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: in the back and not to poke any holes into

677
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: Scott Galloway's theories, but it's like back in the day,

678
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: it was kind of like, hey, you need to do

679
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: this for like evolutionary survival. You need to whether whether

680
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: it was like an arranged marriage, an arranged introduction, or

681
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, we got to combine resources to live

682
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: and now you're like, you know what, I'd rather do that.

683
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: I'd I'd rather try to go it alone for a

684
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: little bit and see if it adds value in my life.

685
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: But I will say that the flip side to that

686
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: is that we live also in a resentment economy where

687
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: I can see how everybody else is living, and so

688
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: that kind of makes me feel a little bit down

689
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: sometimes about myself, not me personally, but like as a

690
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: woman or as a man. If I'm constantly looking at

691
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: how amazing everybody's life is yea on social media, then

692
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: I start to say to myself, like, hey, what am

693
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: I doing wrong about in my life? Like why can't

694
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: I have that? Why can't Because you're constantly in a

695
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: state of tension comparing yourself to other.

696
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 3: People, which is the thief of joy?

697
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: Correct with the thief of joy? And I think that

698
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: like the and I always say this, you know to

699
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: to like friends and family, but like the biggest gap

700
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: in life is the gap between your expectation and your reality.

701
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, so true.

702
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: You know. That is the hardest gap, so hard because

703
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: in your head you have an expectation like I should

704
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: be this, I should be earning that, I should be

705
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: doing this, I should be living this lifestyle. But the

706
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: reality is like, I'm not living any of that, and

707
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: so you're trying to kind of close that gap. And

708
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: I feel like if we try to spend less time

709
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: trying to close that gap and live in the reality.

710
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 3: It's okay to.

711
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: Have expectations, sure, but that gap is we're being bombarded

712
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 2: twenty four seven.

713
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: With that, and that's in our minds exactly to hit

714
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 3: that gap.

715
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that gap is the worst place to live.

716
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so bad.

717
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, well, I have a I agree with

718
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: you wholeheartedly. I don't necessarily it, Scott.

719
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: I love you.

720
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with everything that Scott says. But

721
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: this is what I do think. And there's an article

722
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: written about this, probably two years ago in the New

723
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: York Times, and I got I wish I could find

724
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: it and send it to everybody. But the idea that

725
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: I this is what I think is interesting. The idea

726
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: that women are no longer I'm not my mother and

727
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: my mother wasn't her mother, and my grandmother definitely wasn't

728
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: her mother. And I'm saying this because I have lived

729
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: and watched all these women. I've lived the family. The

730
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: women in my family do not die. They like my

731
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: great grandmother, I know, right, she lived so she was

732
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: like one hundred and four. My grandmother just passed away

733
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: at ninety six. My mom is still alive. And I've

734
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: watched with every generation what they don't have in common

735
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: and what they do have in common. My great grandmother

736
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: married three times because she didn't have a career. First

737
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: at fourteen, then she left that husband because she didn't

738
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: like him. At twenty one, then she remarried again, and

739
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: then when he died, because she still needed to live.

740
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: She didn't have a career. She didn't, she did, she

741
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: barely finished high school. She got married again, and that

742
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: husband took care of her. Each husband took care of

743
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: her and bought her a house and put her where

744
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: she was supposed to be. And when that last husband died,

745
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: she was in her seventies and she's like, I'm all set,

746
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: I can retire like this.

747
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: I'm all good. He died, so we're good. We're set.

748
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: We're fine.

749
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: My grandmother then comes along. She finishes high school, but

750
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: she doesn't finish at eighteen, she finishes doing night school.

751
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: She gets married at twenty one, didn't like the husband,

752
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: gets a divorce, and then goes back to night school,

753
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: so she lives most of her life single. My mother

754
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: never gets married, goes to high school, decides to do

755
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of junior college, right, but never married

756
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: as a kid, all the things. Each generation had decided

757
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: to find their independence a different way.

758
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: Right.

759
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: I've been married, fine, it was great. I loved it.

760
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: That's what I thought I was supposed to do. Wonderful.

761
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: Man.

762
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be married anymore. And then so

763
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 3: I kicked.

764
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: The door down all the way and I'm all like,

765
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: let's just and every generation does something different. So what

766
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking about is evolution for better or for worse.

767
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know if men understand that. I still

768
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: believe men think, and you help me understand this, that

769
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: they are the providers. That's their main job is just

770
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: to be the provider.

771
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: That's it.

772
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't need to talk to you. I don't need

773
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: to understand how you feel. I don't need to be

774
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: in touch with my feelings.

775
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: Your wife didn't.

776
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: But the reality of it is is that I'm like,

777
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, oh, this makes perfect sense.

778
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: Like men don't feel like they need to evolve because

779
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: they haven't been taught that they have to evolve, or

780
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily see that with their father or with

781
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: the men in their lives having intimate, deep conversations of

782
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: expressing what you feel and why you feel what you

783
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: feel is not a thing. And so in my mind,

784
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm all like, gosh, every generation I see with women

785
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: evolving involving being different intentionally from their mothers, from their

786
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: parents because they don't want to live that life. I

787
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: don't know why that's not the case for men, Why

788
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: they think providing is all we have to do.

789
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: That is an excellent question. I'm not sure that I

790
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: can answer that.

791
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: Sure you can. You're a man. You're a man. Can't

792
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: you answer all questions for men? Will?

793
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: I will not do I will not do that to you.

794
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: I will not speak on behalf of all men. And

795
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: there's definitely.

796
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: Definitely we have allatic.

797
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: You know, I think your experience really look I lived.

798
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's like a different experience,

799
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: but my experience is somebody who is the son. Actually,

800
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: I'm an immigrant myself. My parents moved here when I

801
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: was five. As an immigrant, it's a even I'm dealing

802
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: with like a whole set of other baggage, right, because

803
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: we really have a much more survival mode that's kind

804
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 2: of baked into us. Where you're coming into a country,

805
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: we don't necessarily have a lot of family, and then

806
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: we were kind of scattered out. So you're living in

807
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 2: a community where you in the beginning feel I don't

808
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 2: have any real touch points right for support. I'm kind

809
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: of on my own. I see that more so with

810
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: my parents, who immigrated at the age of forty and

811
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: like just and I say to myself, I say this

812
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: all the time. I was like, I don't know if

813
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: I would have had this strang right, I don't know

814
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: if I would have had the strength as a person

815
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: to pick up my bags, leave my birth country, go

816
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: to a country that I had never been in my life,

817
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: barely spoke the language, and then make something out of

818
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: myself and then raise two kids to become very successful well,

819
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: I don't even want to say, but to become productive

820
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 2: members of society like they raised. Families have families have

821
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: kids journalists. My brother is a doctor, and so that

822
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: experience also.

823
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: This is why I'm sorry interrupt, This is why I

824
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: love immigrants in our country. Like your story, your parents' story.

825
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: When you tell that story, I'm like, this is what

826
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: this country is.

827
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean it is the American experience. It

828
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: is a uniquely American thing. And I you know, I

829
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time asking my parents, like why

830
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: did you why did you choose America? Why not you know,

831
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: why didn't you choose Europe? It was much closer to Egypt.

832
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: My dad had actually been to Europe before when they

833
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: decided to come to the US. They had never been

834
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: to the US. It was just the promise of what

835
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: America offered them, right and what it represented at the time.

836
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 2: I would hope and I would like that that America

837
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: to still exist. I'm not sure that it does. I'm

838
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: not sure that people around the world who were in

839
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 2: my dad's situation or my mom's situation forty years ago

840
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: are looking at American and say, hey, this is the

841
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: place I still want to go to. And that's the

842
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: part that scares me a little bit, and it makes me,

843
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: it actually makes me fight for America in a different way.

844
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: Right like that, I think, well, people always talk about

845
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: this that immigrants sometimes cherish and love the freedom and

846
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: love what America has to offer more than people who

847
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: are actually born in this country and have taken it

848
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: for granted. Right. And so when you see the sacrifices

849
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: that your parents have made, and you see first hand

850
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 2: the importance of participating in society, of voting, of making

851
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: sure that you are a responsible citizen, of saying how

852
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: do I give back to the community, those things become

853
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: ingrained in you that you don't just wake up and

854
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: say everything about this country sucks. I don't like anything

855
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: about it. I'm not going to participate politically. I give up.

856
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: I can't change it. It's so frustrating. The reality is

857
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: the truth. The reality is like, hey, wait a minute,

858
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: I've seen so many of the good things that have

859
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: allowed for my family to come here, make a living, succeed,

860
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: raise their families, give back that Now I'm like, okay,

861
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: now I have a responsibility to make sure that space

862
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: still exists so that another family that does want to

863
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: come in, or my kids who are now born in

864
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: this country, who are very aware of their identity, but

865
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: also aware of like what this country means for them,

866
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: fight for that more, make sure that there is more

867
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: seats at the table for people from all walks of life.

868
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: Why did your parents pick America?

869
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: I think ultimately for two reasons. One, my mother's family

870
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 2: was here, and so there was that kind of personal

871
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: appeal to come to Michigan. But I think it really

872
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: represented for them a freedom and opportunity that was not

873
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: as explicitly promised in Western Europe. You know, I mean

874
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: to be honest, like, if you're going to immigrate from

875
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: the Middle East, you're either going to go to Europe

876
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: or you're going to go to and it's a type

877
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: of immigration. I want to be clear. It's like people

878
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: immigrate sometimes to go follow specific opportunities, right like if

879
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: if you're given a job in another country, you go

880
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: for it. Sure, And that's not what our experience was.

881
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: Our experience was like there was this belief that my

882
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: parents felt, you know, they had two young boys, and

883
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: they wanted something more out of their lives to offer

884
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: their kids. They wanted their kids to have opportunities and

885
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: possibilities and potential that were not easily realized at the

886
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: time in the Middle East. And they didn't think that

887
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: Europe offered it. They felt that America would be the

888
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: best place that could offer it, and they decided to

889
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: come to the US.

890
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: Or how much of your parents love this country the country?

891
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: No, you know, honestly, most immigrants definitely live with a

892
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: sense of like they made the right decision. I do

893
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: think that their are periods in time when you have doubt.

894
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: I mean like when you when you see Donald Trump

895
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: say that, when he demeans Muslims, when he talks about

896
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: creating a Muslim band, when he is supporting Israel with

897
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: blank checks to kill Palestinians, When you see your country,

898
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: your adopted country, engage in this very kind of like

899
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: barbaric way, in humane way towards your community, towards your ancestors.

900
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. You you are in conflict.

901
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: You are in conflict. And I think a lot of

902
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: Americans felt that in two thousand and three, a lot

903
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: of Iraqi Americans for example, who you feel it in

904
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: many conflicts, but when.

905
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: You and feel it, I feel it.

906
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: As a black person born and raised in this country,

907
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: I feel the same conflict of what America is this?

908
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hassen menhe is the comedian has Yeah It

909
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: has a brilliant, brilliant take in his comedy special About This,

910
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: where he talks about, like to what extent when immigrants

911
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: come to this country they're willing to kind of like

912
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: give up on their home country for this and that,

913
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: like what does it take like a green card and

914
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, like a BMW whatever. But that tension really

915
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: is very real. It's a real tension that you have

916
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: adopted to come You've adopted this country. You want to

917
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 2: come here, you want to raise your kids, you believe

918
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: in its values. But then their foreign policy, what the

919
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: doing abroad, what it's contributing to a broad supporting authoritarian

920
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: regimes in the Middle East, is just so painful, and

921
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: so you're like, Okay, now I'm here in the US,

922
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: I got to fight to change this policy and try

923
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: to bring awareness to what this country is doing in

924
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: this part of the world. So long way of saying

925
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 2: it's a it ebbs and flows. There are moments where

926
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: they live as is life. There are moments when they're

927
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: like they love every aspect of America. There are moments

928
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: where they really dislike some parts of the I think,

929
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: but it's never been about the country it's always been

930
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: about the policies.

931
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think if we're being honest, I think

932
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: everyone who's who lives in this country at one point

933
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: or another have as like a policy that's just what

934
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: it is, like something that affects them directly, or they

935
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: don't like the way they see the country going. Maybe

936
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: they love the way the country's going now and then

937
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: hated it a few years ago.

938
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 3: What does it take? That's funny?

939
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: You miss in Hassan Minhaj because I think there's a

940
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: thing that I do. I'm like, am Michael marry this

941
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: rich man? I mean, am I really going to deal

942
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: with that belly? Am I going to deal with the snoring?

943
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean the horrible?

944
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: What are you willing to compromise?

945
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: What am I willing to compromise?

946
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: Like if I'm not attracted to you, Am I willing

947
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: to have the house and all the things just because

948
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: you're rich?

949
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: No?

950
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: I'm not.

951
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: I mean, would you take would you This is a

952
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: question that I get. Let me tell you, I have

953
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: a lot of single friends that are amazing, and I

954
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: think it's a question that a lot of women ask,

955
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 2: which is to what extent you're willing to compromise? But

956
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: but they're in that framework that you're talking about about again,

957
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: you're still seeing the male as the provider, right, because

958
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: if you would, you be willing to be with a

959
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: man who is that you're attracted to, that loves you

960
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: and cares for you deeply. But it's not a provider's

961
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: somebody who's like, so.

962
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: You're okay, So you're challenging my first philosophy, which is

963
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: my first thought earlier, not even challenging it. You're bringing

964
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: something to me that I'm just now realizing. And you're

965
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: saying because earlier I'm like, man only think that the

966
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: provider and that's their only job. And you know why,

967
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: they only think that's their only job, because that's the

968
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: way they get the woman that they want.

969
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: But you also just in the way that you just

970
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: said it right now, he's like, so right, you just

971
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: said the way that you laid that framework. He's like,

972
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: am I going to compromise for this guy because he

973
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: can provide me a house? I'm like, but you're actually

974
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 2: putting now the onus of providing on him on him.

975
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, But if you're saying you're right, you're right,

976
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, And this is why today years old.

977
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: This is why men are like, all I need to

978
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: do is be a provider.

979
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: Listen, I am saying straight up, I tell this, I

980
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 2: say this all the time. To my life. I will

981
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 2: be a happy stay at home dad. I would love

982
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: every aspect of life if I could be a stay

983
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: at home dad. If the burden of providing is not

984
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: like focused on one person shoulder or the other, right,

985
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: it takes I feel like you can be productive in

986
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 2: ways in life. Look, this is going to sound very

987
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: kind of like. I know I'm saying it at a

988
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: point in my life where I have worked for a

989
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: big part of my life, right, but I am saying

990
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: that I genuinely have come to appreciate a lot of

991
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: things that as a father of two young kids, I've

992
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: come to appreciate so many of the things that I

993
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: never did when I was a young kid myself and

994
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: watch my mother do them in the house, or take

995
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: care of the family and provide a certain type of

996
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: emotional comfort and well being to the family. Right, Like

997
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: that was such an important part of my upbringing that

998
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: now I appreciate that, and I feel like it doesn't

999
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: matter whether you know people may say it comes more

1000
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: naturally from a mother. I don't know. I'm going to

1001
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: just say that I think it's such an important blanket

1002
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: to have for the family that it doesn't matter who

1003
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: it comes from, as long as it as long as

1004
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: it's there, as long as it's there. And so if

1005
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: there's a way in which I can be the provider

1006
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 2: of that blanket, or if it's something that my wife does,

1007
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 2: then I think it's a win win for our family.

1008
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 3: I think irrespective of who is who's the provider. I

1009
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: agree with you.

1010
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I haven't let that sit in

1011
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: my spirit. Maybe i'll take that into twenty twenty six,

1012
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: but I do agree with you, and I agree with

1013
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: you because because I have been in the past the provider,

1014
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: I think, but I didn't. It didn't always start that way.

1015
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: And I also think relationships evan flow. I think someone's

1016
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: the provider, another person is the provider. But I do

1017
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: know I think if I go one step further, the

1018
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: men being the provider, there's a difference when the man

1019
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: is a provider versus when the woman is a provider.

1020
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: I think I think I've noticed men who have more resource, resources,

1021
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: more money provider take advantage of that in a way

1022
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: in which a woman wouldn't take advantage of that, And

1023
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: that might be my own little skepticism around it. I

1024
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: think when a woman is a provider, she may feel

1025
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: exhausted because it's like, Oh, I gotta work out, I

1026
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: gotta get take care of kids, I gotta look good.

1027
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: I gotta be a good friend. I gotta be a

1028
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: good worker. I gotta be nice to my boss. I

1029
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: gotta make sure my husband is I think a woman

1030
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: feels more obligation, and that's where there's much I don't

1031
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: know if men are like, oh, I gotta work out,

1032
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I gotta be a good friend and my friend John,

1033
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta I gotta look good for my wife.

1034
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: I gotta be a good friend to the people I

1035
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: work with you. Men don't think like that. Women feel

1036
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: like they have to do.

1037
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: Let me ask you so, if you became a provider,

1038
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: if if you had a man in your life who

1039
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 2: was dependent on you financially, would your expectations of him increase?

1040
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: Would you be like, Oh, I need you to be

1041
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: emotionally there for me when I needed I need you

1042
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: to be more. I don't know if the right word

1043
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: is like I need you to be more on my page,

1044
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: on my cadence, on my rhythm and life probably, and

1045
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 2: so I think.

1046
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: That same thing probably probably like I don't know, I'm

1047
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: just saying and I don't know, but I'm just saying,

1048
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: it's so complicated and it's so good to open up

1049
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: that perspective. But it's like, yeah, no, when I was

1050
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: I could see that. And most of my girlfriend's very successful,

1051
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: all married, probably eight of the ten, and this is

1052
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: a very unique circle. Make more money than their husbands,

1053
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: and they're married and happy and have kids and live

1054
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: their best lives.

1055
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: They just do. It's just what it is.

1056
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: Although they don't boss their husbands around their husbands, I

1057
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: think in fact, the husbands still rule the house.

1058
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: If you're talking talking about traditional.

1059
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: Roles, like the man is doing the man thing and

1060
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: you're respecting what he says, and she's like, okay, I'm

1061
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: respecting what you says.

1062
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 3: You say like I just I've seen it just work.

1063
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: Also, maybe like biological differences between men and women that

1064
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: just like you're not gonna be able to change, get

1065
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: not you're not able to change, you know you're not.

1066
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not trying to like hang my emotional

1067
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: deficit on biology.

1068
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 3: But I'm sure this is wild.

1069
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: Okay, this is not even what I would I was like,

1070
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, yes provider, yes, okay, wait okay, so

1071
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: then then you did me off. But this is so

1072
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: fascinating how men and women think about the roles that

1073
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: we have. And I think that's unfortunately where we are today.

1074
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: The reason why someone like a Sky Galloway can really

1075
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: really have an importan someone's ear, or because there is

1076
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: something happening with men. There is a fundamental transition happening

1077
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: with man that I can't speak to because I'm not

1078
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: a man. Meaning a lot of them probably didn't.

1079
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 3: Feel a place to go.

1080
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: That's why they all decided to not all, but by

1081
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: and large, a certain type of man decided to vote

1082
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: for Trump. That group that they said that that that

1083
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: that young male group that graduated from college that didn't

1084
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: kind of know where to go, that bro group that

1085
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: people are talking about.

1086
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: We're like, oh, this feels right.

1087
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: I fit here because the Democrats weren't giving them a

1088
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: place where they fit. And I believe there's some truth

1089
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: to that. They are they are looking for a place

1090
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: to belong, they are feeling left out. I think that

1091
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: happens with all men because women have these groups and

1092
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: they bond differently and they come together and there and

1093
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: they and the men are like way, where are groups?

1094
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: Where the men groups? Where are the men leaders? Where

1095
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: men are saying come together and be with us? Like

1096
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: there are I mean, well, there are? Right we can

1097
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: point to a lot of right wing groups that we

1098
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: know of now they've they've been popular, But what about

1099
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: just in general, not the Charlie Kirks, not the not

1100
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: the THEO Vonn's and the podcast or the people who

1101
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: love Joe Rogan. Where are those other people going to

1102
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: listen to find their their their group? Where are those

1103
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: men going?

1104
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think you know, I have a

1105
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 2: lot of different what I would call like support groups

1106
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: like which are well, I mean like they're friends, Like

1107
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 2: they're personal friends of mine and we have our own groups.

1108
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: Can you guys talk intimately, like man, I don't know

1109
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: if I feel like I want to do this or

1110
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: my wife's skin on my nerves.

1111
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: But it's not I don't know if it's like it

1112
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 2: carries that kind of emotional vulnerability, but it definitely carries

1113
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: that kind of like snarky, you know, bitching attitude.

1114
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 3: Is that important.

1115
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: It's super important, It's very important. What I'm trying to

1116
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: say too, is like I there's a stylistic difference of

1117
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: like you know, and again I don't want to kind

1118
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: of generalize here, but perhaps a woman is saying to

1119
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: her girlfriends trying to open up from like an emotional

1120
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: place and say like, hey, how do you think I

1121
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: should handle the situation? So so maybe that is that

1122
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: you know exist. I think in my network or my

1123
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: group of friends, when I have a grievance, there are

1124
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: ways we communicated That is probably not as emotion sophisticated,

1125
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: but it definitely works in the sense that your friends

1126
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: tell you like, oh, man, like here, do this, do that,

1127
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: and it works, you know what I mean, And you

1128
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: have that support and you have that kind of like

1129
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: way of getting your mind off of it. Or if

1130
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: you're feeling the pressure and then you know your friends

1131
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: come to you and say like, oh, I see you,

1132
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 2: I see what you're doing. I see how hard that is.

1133
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 2: You would never be able to survive. Certainly, I wouldn't

1134
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 2: be able to survive in journalism in this kind in

1135
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: this like pressure cooker of an environment if you don't

1136
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: have a good core group of friends. By the way,

1137
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 2: many of them, I don't want to say many of them,

1138
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: but many of them you'll be surprised, but some of

1139
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: them are like hardcore Trump supporters, right, your friends. Yeah,

1140
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: so this is why. No, but this is why I think, Like,

1141
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: you know, for example, I love UFC, right, but now

1142
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 2: the context of UFC has taken on a whole culture

1143
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: because if you're a UFC supporter, you're like, oh, you

1144
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: must be a Magabro, right, or you must be a

1145
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: Trump supporter because they've kind of co opted the culture

1146
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: of the sport. So this is where it becomes like tricky.

1147
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 2: And I'm saying, you're like, we're just kind of you know,

1148
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: where everybody's using like six litmus tests, and suddenly you're

1149
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: being put in a different like camp. I love soccer.

1150
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: You're seeing right now this like love relationship between the

1151
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: president of FIFA and Donald Trump, who just gave him

1152
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: a Peace prize. I've loved soccer way before.

1153
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: And FIFA's always been corrupt, no offense, yeah, no, exactly

1154
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: what they always have, so that shouldn't have been surprising.

1155
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: But it was just like everyone's capitulating.

1156
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. And so so at the end

1157
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: of the day, it's like, I you know you because

1158
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: you love a cultural thing that brings people together from

1159
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: all walks of life. It does not mean that you

1160
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: subscribe to the to the kind of like ideology that

1161
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: has emerged from that. Does that make.

1162
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 3: Sense, It does make sense. But I want to go back.

1163
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: I want to I want to drill down on what

1164
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: you just said. A lot of your friends are Trump supporters.

1165
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 2: I don't want to say a lot. I would say

1166
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 2: like I have I have a friend, I have friends

1167
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 2: that are Trump supporters. I don't want make it sound

1168
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: like I have like but I definitely have a core

1169
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: group of friends who are definitely Trump supporters that are

1170
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: part of a network of people that I you know,

1171
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 2: we talk and we chat, but there's like a base

1172
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: line level of respect and we always like I know

1173
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: where they're I know where they are, I know where

1174
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: I'm in. You know, we kind of go back and

1175
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: forth and we have these like very healthy discussions and

1176
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: sometimes we just have a lot of fun together.

1177
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. And are you a Trump supporter? No, Okay, I'm not.

1178
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: I'm just making sure for the folks who who may

1179
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: have listened, they've never they they don't know that. I

1180
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: assumed that, But what is that friendship like, because I

1181
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: think that's the beauty about some men that then women

1182
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: I have. I have one or two people in my

1183
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: life who I know for a fact who have verbally

1184
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: said they support Trump, and they were women, and it

1185
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: really affected our friendship in the sense that they admired

1186
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: everything that he was doing, and they would talk about

1187
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: him in such glowing ways. And I'm like, well, that's

1188
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: just not realistic, Like you're you're I don't. I don't

1189
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: necessarily care if you Trump. Yes, I do care if

1190
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: you support him, But what when I can I can

1191
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: be your friend as long as I know that you're being.

1192
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: Rational about the support.

1193
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: You can admit this is wrong, this is right, or

1194
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: that does make me uncomfortable as opposed to just being

1195
00:56:59,280 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: a sick of hand.

1196
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was going to say any but for me,

1197
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,959
Speaker 2: like the baseline is what is your respect towards other

1198
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: human beings irrespective of what Trump is doing? Meaning like,

1199
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: I have a lot of friends who look at Trump

1200
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: as a kind of economic vessel, right, and for that, Yeah,

1201
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: they have fought and I say this to them, I say,

1202
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: you guys have been duped and tricked into thinking like,

1203
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: he's an economic savior for the country. Sure, And so

1204
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: the disagreements that we have is more about them, in

1205
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: my opinion, them being tricked into thinking like, hey, this

1206
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: guy is out here saving the country economically and making

1207
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: your life economically better. And they'll point to like the

1208
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: big beautiful bail and be like, yeah, but look, next year,

1209
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 2: my tax is going to be a little bit lower.

1210
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: So that those types of differences and the people who

1211
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: are also kind of like, well, he's going to be

1212
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: good for AI because AI is the future, and right

1213
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: now he's allowing AI to run a muck unregulated and

1214
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: AI is going to save us, right, And there are

1215
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: some people who believe that, And so for me, those

1216
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: people I kind of put in a buck and those actually,

1217
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: those are where my friends lie, right that are quote

1218
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: unquote Trump supporters. But if there is a line that

1219
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 2: is crossed in which I see that they are believers

1220
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: in this kind of like white nationalist supremacy in which

1221
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: anyone who is like me does not belong in this country,

1222
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: or can't contribute to this country, or should be expelled

1223
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: or kicked out of this country, that's where I draw

1224
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: the line. And say like, now I'm questioning your values

1225
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: as a human being, and that doesn't you can't override that, right,

1226
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: Like it's not Trump for me is a symbol And

1227
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: what I can read between why they support that symbolism

1228
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: versus what they actually support in the white nationalism and

1229
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: the supremacy, and I gauge that on a human to

1230
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: human level, Like I don't just have this blanket statement.

1231
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 2: That's like to your point, people who supported Donald Trump,

1232
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: who fell for his belief that he was going to

1233
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: be a peace president. You remember when Donald Trump was

1234
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: like I'm not going to start any new wars, and

1235
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: here he's bombed, He's bombed, he's bombing Venezuela, possibly gonna

1236
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 2: invade Venezuela. He wanted to. He wanted to invade and

1237
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: occupy Greenland. He wants to retake a base in Afghanistan.

1238
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: He's carrying out drone strikes in Somalia. He wanted to

1239
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: invade Canada or make Canada the fifty first rate. That

1240
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: is the language of a belligerent autocrime. Yeah, so you

1241
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: can say that you won the FIFA Peace Prize, but

1242
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: your actions are actually doing something very different. So I

1243
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: make a distinction between what the individual's values are and

1244
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: what you're actually supporting from a Trump policy. Because to

1245
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: the point that I was saying is that a lot

1246
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: of Arab Americans and a lot of Muslim Americans believed

1247
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: in Donald Trump being a peace president. I remember, and

1248
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: now it's turned out that he is not a peace president.

1249
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: What do you think of And I know that we

1250
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: have to wrap soon, but what do you think of this?

1251
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: When I see these groups who were so very adamant

1252
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: about voting for Trump, Arabs for Donald Trump.

1253
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: I mean, those were like, I mean that that was

1254
00:59:59,440 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: a joke.

1255
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: But well, what about all of the I think it's

1256
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: coming from California. I think I think about all of

1257
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,919
Speaker 1: the immigrants from Latin America who were like, we're voting

1258
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: for Donald Trump and he essentially is using ice to

1259
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: get rid of their relatives, them, anybody who seems to

1260
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: be in their family and or friend group, and then

1261
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: now they're walking it all back. How was he able,

1262
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: in your opinion, how is he able to fool everyone lying?

1263
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 2: He was able to fool everyone. He was able to lie? No, No,

1264
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: I mean I can speak to from the Arab American experience. Okay, right,

1265
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: Donald Trump went to Michigan, went on stage and brought

1266
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 2: a handful of local Arab American politicians and Muslim Americans

1267
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: and stood there on a stage and said to them,

1268
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 2: we're going to stop what is happening in Gaza. We're

1269
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 2: not going to start a war. And they believed that

1270
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 2: he was going to be able to use the leverage

1271
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: that he had to bring Israel to bear and stop

1272
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: the genocide. Okay, now we're in this period where people

1273
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 2: think the genocide has stopped because we're not seeing the

1274
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: same scale of bombings and killings every day, But the

1275
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: reality of it is it's still going on, and it's

1276
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: just happening beyond the headlines. It's happening at a lower

1277
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: level of intensity, but there's bombings almost every other day.

1278
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 2: Palestinians are still not getting fed, they're not getting food,

1279
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 2: they're not getting medicine. They are still dying and dying

1280
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: of starvation and hypothermia. That is the ability that Donald

1281
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: Trump had, which is he could stand in one room

1282
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 2: to a group of people and lie, and those people

1283
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: would believe the lie, and he would go to a

1284
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 2: completely different room like pro Israel groups and say to them,

1285
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 2: I'm the best president for Israel. I'm going to bomb Iran,

1286
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to move your embassy. I'm going to give

1287
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: you the Goland Heights. And they also believed him. And

1288
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: that's what Kamala Harris was not able to do. I'm

1289
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 2: not saying she should have gone out there and lied,

1290
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: but she certainly could have been a little bit more

1291
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: to try to craft a different approach than what Joe

1292
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 2: Biden was doing enough to give people hope that she

1293
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 2: was going to be a different president, right, because those

1294
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: people needed to hear explicitly, will you be different? On Gaza?

1295
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: Can will you be different? I mean, everybody wanted to

1296
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: believe she was going to be different. Yeah, but she

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Speaker 2: never gave people an enough.

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Speaker 1: She didn't say it outright the way in which she

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Speaker 1: should have said it.

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Speaker 3: She didn't.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what this president has done, and then

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Speaker 1: this question I'm asking you. He has taken the language

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Speaker 1: of politics and it is dead. I watch the way

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Speaker 1: he talks, whether it be belligerent, whether it be you know,

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Speaker 1: he's making up things, names, words, but no matter what,

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Speaker 1: he is communicating and he's meeting certain people where they

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Speaker 1: are and they need to hear that. No, I don't

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Speaker 1: like him he's dead. I don't like them give her

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Speaker 1: to that country. It's crazy, right, Like it's really simple.

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Speaker 1: It's not like I talk to my peers. I don't

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Speaker 1: have the big words. I don't want to hear about

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Speaker 1: the bill. It's just real simple, elementary level, to the

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Speaker 1: point you can understand me. And I felt like, now, obviously,

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Speaker 1: looking back, everything makes sense. I feel like Kamala Harrison.

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Speaker 1: A lot of folks who voted for Kamala Harris, who

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Speaker 1: believed in the Dimmer Credit party, that party became the

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Speaker 1: elite party, and they just assumed that what he said

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Speaker 1: made no sense. When he was like, they're eating the cats,

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Speaker 1: they're eating the dogs, I was like, this is crazy.

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Speaker 3: And then next day we're like.

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Speaker 1: No, they're eating the cats. Well, they're eating the dogs.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, you you believe that? Like there are

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Speaker 1: people who genuinely, you're to your point, believe what he said.

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Speaker 1: And that's what we took for granted. We the people

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Speaker 1: who read.

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Speaker 3: The who read, the people who.

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Speaker 1: Are well read, who are traveling the world, we knew

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Speaker 1: that that wasn't true, and we assumed that that was

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Speaker 1: just a bait, that was just a given and.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a given.

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Speaker 1: They're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs, and people

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Speaker 1: were like, yeah, they're eating the cats.

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Speaker 2: But but he has this ability and it's it's it's

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Speaker 2: not I don't want to say it's not exclusive to him,

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Speaker 2: because on one level of politicians lie. That's not They

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Speaker 2: all lie. They all lie, yes, but he has not

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Speaker 2: just him. They all lie, but he has a superpower

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Speaker 2: of being able to be in a room and lie

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Speaker 2: to a specific group of people in a moment, and

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Speaker 2: everybody else around him can look at that lie and say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's just lying to them to get their votes. So

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Speaker 2: he'll lie to you to say, like, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be the pro peace president who's going to end the

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Speaker 2: genocide in Gaza to get your votes in that moment,

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Speaker 2: and then go out and then take two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars from like Miriam Adelson or whoever, and

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Speaker 2: promise them that he's going to do these things for

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Speaker 2: Israel and give them more weapons and give them a

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Speaker 2: green light to bomb Iran or what have you, and

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Speaker 2: then have But I also.

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Speaker 3: Believe those people just are already wanting to vote for him.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that it took well, they're right, for

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Speaker 3: the vote.

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Speaker 2: And that's what makes him, That's what he has. He

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Speaker 2: has the ability to read a division. He has an

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Speaker 2: ability to read something that is divisive and say, okay,

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Speaker 2: I can create that wedge, right. And this is why

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Speaker 2: I kind of come back to this moment of maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm a little bit hyper fixated on this issue because

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Speaker 2: it's like the area that I'm you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to say most interested in, but it's something that

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Speaker 2: I follow very closely, the situation with Gaza, but I

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Speaker 2: look at something like what happened with Zahoran Mamdani is

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Speaker 2: another example, like somebody who can read the room and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: there's a cultural shift that has happened in this cun

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Speaker 2: now around Israel and within our politics, and you can

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Speaker 2: either be five steps behind it or you can be

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Speaker 2: ahead of it. And I think Donald Trump has actually

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Speaker 2: been one of the people who's been ahead of it.

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Speaker 2: I think Kamala Harris was five steps behind it. I

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Speaker 2: think John Donnie is ahead of it. I think that

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Speaker 2: you have now a lot of politicians who are campaigning

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Speaker 2: and the first thing that they're coming out and saying

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Speaker 2: is we're not taking a pac money right, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna and I'm going to stop sending offensive weapons to

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Speaker 2: uh Israel. And they're talking about Palestinians as humans.

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Speaker 3: They're getting ahead of it.

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Speaker 2: They're getting ahead of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they know, they know the way.

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Speaker 2: But that was and that was and that was the

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Speaker 2: missed opportunity I think in the in in the election

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Speaker 2: that I personally would argue cost Kamala Harris the well.

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Speaker 1: And also she was she's a politician, like a true

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Speaker 1: like politician. I don't feel I feel I don't feel

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Speaker 1: like Zorn or Donald Trump for politicians.

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So like when you've been raised a certain way,

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Speaker 3: that's all you know. Yes, so you don't know. And

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Speaker 3: also so I say this for her, no one at

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Speaker 3: her party wanted her. She had to. She's she was

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Speaker 3: fighting an uphill battle.

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Speaker 1: She and people got behind her because there was nobody

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Speaker 1: else to get behind and so she's fighting it and

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Speaker 1: she thinks people want and then you find everything that's

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Speaker 1: happening after the fact, you're like, oh, they really.

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Speaker 2: They did not want They really.

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Speaker 3: Didn't Oh you were okay, no one wanted you. So

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Speaker 3: it all makes sense now, But it was it was.

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Speaker 1: I can't it'll be fascinating the way this is written

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Speaker 1: and told in the history books about how it all

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Speaker 1: came to be and what happened after the fact.

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Speaker 2: But you know, like to your point about the journalists earlier,

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01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 2: when we were talking about like people want people who

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Speaker 2: are authentic and real, and it's kind of like they

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Speaker 2: want a buck. They want you to be fair, but

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Speaker 2: they want you to kind of like keep it real.

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Speaker 1: I the reason why I pushed back on hat I

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Speaker 1: am probably arguably the most authentic person you can meet,

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Speaker 1: and I do it on camera and I do it

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Speaker 1: off camera, and.

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Speaker 2: That is I have to say you are pretty real

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Speaker 2: in like off camera you are. You are the same

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Speaker 2: person I don't and I.

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't always work in my favor. So yes,

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Speaker 3: people may want that.

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Speaker 1: It's a wonderful ability, but it's it's not what they want.

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Speaker 3: I might be so far ahead of the curve.

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Speaker 2: Right now when I say, like all people, some people,

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Speaker 2: but you got to you got to think. The way

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Speaker 2: that I look at is you got to ask yourself

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Speaker 2: who are your constituents, who am I talking to? Who

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Speaker 2: are you talking to?

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Speaker 3: Who are your constituents?

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01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: And who are your shareholders? Like who are your stakeholders,

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01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: who's invested in you, who's invested in your well being

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01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 2: as a podcaster, as a woman, as a mother, as

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Speaker 2: a wife, as a whatever, as a you know, when

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Speaker 2: you have when you've identified those people, a lot of

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Speaker 2: the noise becomes.

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Speaker 3: You just talk to them, exactly.

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Speaker 2: You talk to them. You can. You can see and

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01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 2: listen to everybody, but you you always come back to

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01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 2: who are the people that are most invested in you?

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Speaker 2: Who are the people that are bringing value to your life?

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Speaker 2: Because your viewers bring value to your life. I mean

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Speaker 2: they do. If you know people who are watching you

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Speaker 2: and listening to you, you want to engage with them.

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Speaker 2: And when they engage with you sincerely and they give

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Speaker 2: you honest feedback, I'm sure you take it to heart,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure you like hey one exactly. So it's

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Speaker 2: just I.

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Speaker 1: Agree with you. I agree with everything you said. I

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Speaker 1: was just you know, yeah, yeah you can.

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Speaker 3: You can see both, Okay, so people.

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Speaker 1: Can watch you and miss now six to nine pm Eastern,

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01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: tell us about your show, the name of the show,

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Speaker 1: so everybody can tune in. Because you're so smart. Let

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01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: me tell you what you're Let me give you your flowers.

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01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: I love to do that. You're so and so smart.

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Speaker 1: Is not even fair. That's just so simple. It's the

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Speaker 1: well read of it all. It's the diversity of it all.

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Speaker 1: It's the years of coverage being out actually in the elements.

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Speaker 1: There's a difference between sitting there and being an anchor

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Speaker 1: and then being someone who actually was raised in the

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Speaker 1: field in the sense of you were able to see

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Speaker 1: it and live it and experience it.

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Speaker 3: And then I think it's also this year your unique perspective.

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Speaker 3: I always want to hear.

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Speaker 1: From people who look different or raise differently, have the

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Speaker 1: different experience growing up, because I feel like it really

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Speaker 1: does allow you to have such an invaluable take on life.

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Speaker 1: That's why I believe in traveling like ala, I feel

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Speaker 1: that's the only thing that pays you back. I don't

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Speaker 1: care about I can spend my money on everything in

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Speaker 1: the world and look the best and buy the things.

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Speaker 1: But if I don't spend money on travel, then I

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Speaker 1: am not investing in my spirit and my soul.

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Speaker 2: I could not agree with youm Moore on that point.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's something like I'm trying to instill in

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Speaker 2: my kids. We've been doing it since they're like super young.

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Speaker 2: Every year we travel. I think that's seeing the world,

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Speaker 2: seeing different cultures, being out of your comfort zone, learning

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Speaker 2: how to communicate across languages and cultures and barriers is

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Speaker 2: so important. Seeing how the other world lives, seeing how

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Speaker 2: other people live, what they value, what they don't value,

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Speaker 2: what is comfortable, what is not comfortable. I think that

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Speaker 2: sense of awareness is so important in life. You can't

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Speaker 2: put a value on that, like if I had a

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Speaker 2: dollar to spend on travel or to spend on like

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Speaker 2: a gift.

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Speaker 3: I'm traveling all day, all day, all day. I just

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Speaker 3: get ondays. I don't care about walking around the street.

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Speaker 1: And this now six to nine Eastern people can watch

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Speaker 1: you and you have we.

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Speaker 2: Can prime Time, you can prime Time three hour show.

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Speaker 2: I have three amazing co hosts. There's four of us.

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Speaker 2: Each one of us brings a very unique experience to

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Speaker 2: your point, you know about like diversity. There are four

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Speaker 2: of us, and all of us have walked very different

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Speaker 2: experiences on this earth, and we come from many different backgrounds,

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Speaker 2: and our backgrounds journalistically are very different. You know, each

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Speaker 2: one of us has experienced at different levels of the industry,

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Speaker 2: come from different backgrounds of the industry. Ideologically, maybe a

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Speaker 2: little bit different. But I think what's so unique about

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Speaker 2: it is there's such a level of respect and camaraderie

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Speaker 2: that when you sit around that table and guests come

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Speaker 2: to share their insights and we have these disagreements and

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Speaker 2: questions and answers there. As I was saying earlier about

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Speaker 2: my friends, there's a baseline level of respect, and when

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Speaker 2: you get that, you're able to have the conversations that

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Speaker 2: people want to have and be engaged in, and hopefully

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Speaker 2: people are learning from it. People are like saying like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's a view that I didn't hear before. That's a

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Speaker 2: perspective I didn't here before. That's something that's new to me.

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Speaker 2: And can carry that with them, you know, be on

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm carrying you with me right now. I'm

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Speaker 1: holding on to it really deep.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I adore you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you are fighting the good fight

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01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: and that you are here informing us and holding people

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Speaker 1: accountable with your words. It is needed, it is invaluable,

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Speaker 1: and it's dangerous work in these times.

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Speaker 3: So I'm so grateful for you. Thank you.

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01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 2: I appreciate thank you for having me on to talk

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01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 2: about the World Cup.

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Speaker 3: Though, well, next time part four when I come to

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Speaker 3: your podcast.

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01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all, so listen, enjoy your holidays, and remember

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Speaker 1: we're not coming back until the new year.

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Speaker 3: So do me a favor.

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Speaker 1: Hit that button that subscribe, that like button, forward to

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Speaker 1: your friends and your family, and go back and listen

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Speaker 1: to some episodes.

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Speaker 3: We recently here at.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports won an award for Best Docuseries, and that

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01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: was when I was doing Angel Reese Versus Caitlin Clark,

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Speaker 1: The Making of a Rivalry.

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Speaker 3: Go back and listen to that.

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Speaker 1: That's such a great six episode docuseries award winning. Now

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Speaker 1: six episode docuseries. I appreciate you all for supporting and

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Speaker 1: if you've already heard that, just go back and listen

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Speaker 1: to some other episodes here on Naked Sports. Subscribe, Tell

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Speaker 1: your friends, Happy New Year, Merry Christmas, happy holidays, all

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Speaker 1: of the above.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate your support.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports written and executive produced by me Carrie Champion,

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Speaker 1: produced by jacqueses Thomas, sound design and mastered by Dwayne Crawford.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports is a part of the Black Effect podcast

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Speaker 1: network in iHeartMedia