1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading, Hello, and welcome back to 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: the show. My name is Noel, my name is Matt. 6 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: WHOA did we just put our things down flipping and 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: reverse it? Yes? We did, Mr Elliott. Our colleague Ben 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: is not here today, but he's out there somewhere, and 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: I have a feeling we might hear from him very soon. 10 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: And as always, we are joined today by our super producer, 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decand and guess what you are? You? 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: You are here and that makes this stuff they don't 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: want you to know Listener Mail edition, or as we 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: like to refer to it, the U Edition. That's right, 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: that's right, And speaking of you you today is also 16 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,919 Speaker 1: been because Ben is out seriously in a weird place 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: on an adventure. He talked about it last week, and 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: he sent a message to us from that location, and 19 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: we're going to hear from him right now. As I 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier this week, I'm in a remote location fielding 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: a number of pursuits. But this letter from Garrett sent 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: me on one of my favorite rabbit holes, the kind 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: of thing that draws you into a place past time. 24 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: I looked up to realize hours had passed. Hours I 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: frankly didn't have the luxury of spending, but time well spent. Nonetheless, Garrett, 26 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: here's what you said, Hi, guys. I recently stumbled upon 27 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: a clickbait story about a VHS tape that was passed 28 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: around in the early nineties. It was a twenty five 29 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: minute or so video supposedly tutoring people on how to 30 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: properly rob graves. The video seems remarkably authentic, mostly because 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: the young man tutor en Us, seems so real. He 32 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: seems to be speaking candidly and has an occasional stutter 33 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: throughout the video. This kid is handling a very real 34 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: looking human skull. Apparently nobody has ever identified the star 35 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: of the video, despite his speech impediment, his accent, and 36 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: his unique appearance. Garrett says, I would be interested to 37 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 1: know if grave robbing is actually a modern occurrence, as 38 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: this young man seems to suggest. The lore of the 39 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: video is an interesting tale in itself. Garrett has attached 40 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: a link to a video called grave Robbing for morons. 41 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for keeping me entertained while I run. Hey, Garrett, 42 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: thank you Matt Noel. I posted the video Garrett mentioned, 43 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: and I hope you guys have a chance to watch 44 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: somewhere all of it. Here's what's going on. While I 45 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: can't conclusively speak to the veracity of this video clip, 46 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: I can tell you it's fairly graphic. The video is 47 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: much like you've described, Garrett. The cameras handheld, the background 48 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: is dirty. The person in the video walks through what 49 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: they claim are best practices for removing a skull from 50 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: a corpse, from entering a cemetery or grave site surreptitiously 51 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: and getting away. Uh. They also talk about the best 52 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: practices for removing skin from the skull and so on. 53 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: The video is pretty long, and it goes in depth. 54 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: In fact, it goes on long enough to make me 55 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: feel like it maybe a sincere effort rather than a 56 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: prank or an attempt at anti comedy. But I'm still 57 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: on the fence here. It is worth a watch. It's 58 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: freely available on YouTube, if for nothing more than curiosity. 59 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: In terms of practical grave robbing, it's very clear this 60 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: video was made before the advent of smartphones. I'd say 61 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: it was clearly made after because if you look closely, 62 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: you can see a VHS tape of Evil Dead two 63 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: in the shot. The accent is indicative of New York 64 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: unless the person here is acting. The host, as far 65 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: as I can tell, remains unidentified, though there are some 66 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: interesting Internet sleuths who feel like they have some leads 67 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: on this. It's also tough to tell whether this skull 68 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: is real. The whole thing could be a student film. 69 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: But if it is a student film, Whitney classmate of 70 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: come forward by now. And in terms of removing flesh 71 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: from bone, the advice just isn't good. Don't follow it. 72 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: The advice about how to quietly do stuff at night, however, 73 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: does make sense. It's practical for any number of situations, 74 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: including stuff like bombing graffiti or breaking and entering urban exploration, 75 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: and so one. Back to the video itself, it's fascinating, 76 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: rabbit hole, you know whether it's fake or legit. But 77 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: the bigger question you've asked, Garrett is about grave robbing, 78 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: and I am unfortunately here to tell you and all 79 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realist that grave robbing is still very 80 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: much a thing in the modern day, it's a huge industry, 81 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: and the process of grave robbing, the motivations behind it, 82 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: and the nuts and bolts of the process may not 83 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: be occurring in the way we'd initially imagine. I mean, 84 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 1: I believe this could be a good, if grizzly full 85 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: episode of stuff they don't want you to know. Pictures 86 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: staffa from Saturday Night Live say, modern grave robbing has 87 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: everything angry archaeologist elicit activity under the cover of night 88 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: meth heads, the Chinese government, ancient Native American mounds in 89 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: the Bureau of Land Management. So first, the days of 90 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: resurrection men are long gone. Medical schools and research institutions 91 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: can legally buy human remains, even if the provenance is 92 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: often dodgy. In the US, for instance, most corpses receive 93 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: a prompt burial, and the bodies that get donated to 94 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: science usually end up on the dissection table. Uh their 95 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: bones get sought to pieces, they get destined for creation eventually. 96 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: So this means that most skeletons that are used for 97 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: medical study do come from overseas, and that means that 98 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: they often arrive without the informed consent of those people. 99 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: The skeletons back when they were alive, and often they're 100 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: they're received and violation of the laws of their country 101 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: of origin. I mean, honestly, you can go buy human 102 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: bones for yourself right now if you know where to look. 103 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: Check out, for instance, curiosities from the fifth corner dot com. 104 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: That's all one word, uh five is number five th, 105 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: so curiosities from the number five th corner dot com. 106 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: India has for a long time been the world's main 107 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: source of bones used in medical studies. Back in the 108 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: Indian government outlawed the export of human remains and the 109 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: global supply of skeletons collapsed. Western countries then turned to 110 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: places like Eastern Europe and China, but often medical professionals 111 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: considered those countries or those regions to be inferior sources 112 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: of skeletons and bones because the producers didn't have much 113 00:07:54,560 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: experience creating what the experts would describe as display qualities specimens. 114 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: And it turns out that what's known as India's bone 115 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: trade continued as a black market. This meant there was 116 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: a renaissance in grave robbing, one that in all likelihood 117 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: continues today. It was one place that was called the 118 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: bone factory, referenced in an article and wired that operated 119 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: successfully for more than a century before two workers at 120 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: this factory started drinking at a bar and casually running 121 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: their mouths off about their day jobs or night jobs, 122 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: which were robbing graves. This is a gruesome example, but 123 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: other grave robbery is less motivated by getting bones and 124 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: oriented more toward robbing forward are known as grave goods, 125 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: the artifacts and the treasures buried with the dead. This 126 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: could be anything from precious metals in jewelry to you know, 127 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: ancient vases in ancient relics. In an article for Vice, 128 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: reporter named Oscar Rickett spoke with an archaeologist named Delphin 129 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: Weiss about how meth amphetamine fueled grave robbers hit the 130 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: hit the grave robbing scene in the nineteen nineties and 131 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: then became enormously prominent in the two thousand's. Delphin noted 132 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: that meth makes people actually pretty well suited for grave robbing. 133 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: Think about it. They have a lot of energy, they 134 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: keep weird hours, and they tend to focus the majority 135 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: of their time on activities that help them fund their addictions. 136 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: Delphin noted that the biggest cases of meth motivated grave 137 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: robbing occur in places like Kentucky, West Virginia, Georgia, the 138 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: Four Corners region, and across the Southwest. In general, the 139 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: sites that are targeted are often civil war sites or 140 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: Native amer incites, and this archaeologist, Delphin, says, they've personally 141 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: come across meth labs in the middle of nowhere, and 142 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: sometimes the people in charge of those labs actually put 143 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: up booby traps. The grave robbers when they get whatever 144 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: they have found, be it in an ancient Native American 145 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: mound or be it at the side of a civil 146 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: war battle, they usually go and sell these objects directly 147 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: to their meth dealer, and the meth dealer functions as 148 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: a middleman, or they sell it to someone they know 149 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: who was already an established black market dealer of Native 150 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: American goods, and at that point it starts being distributed 151 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: through networks across the US, or it just gets sold 152 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: on eBay, and it's pretty hard to track down and 153 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: stop this illegal trade. You might ask yourself why desecrate 154 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: a grave? Well, unlike the guy and the grave robbing 155 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: for Moron's video, who mainly talks about the thrill of 156 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: doing this and talks a little bit about how it 157 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: could also be a lucrative business. This seems to be 158 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: entirely a business decision in many parts of the world, 159 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: and it's one that probably isn't going to stop unless 160 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: it somehow becomes unprofitable. And this also leads us to 161 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: an interesting question about statutes. I mean, who's to say 162 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: local people don't see foreign archaeologists as grave robbers themselves? 163 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: How long does a body have to be in the 164 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: ground before exhuming it becomes a scientific enterprise rather than 165 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: a crime. These are important questions that institutions, countries, and 166 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: individuals have wrestled with. But to answer your question directly, Garrett, 167 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: right now, it looks as though grave robbing is a 168 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: modern day industry with a long, grizzly tradition, and one 169 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: that is set to continue in the future. As for 170 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: the video that you have mentioned, there are there are 171 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: a lot of things that seem a little off about it. 172 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: Aside from the advice, I would also um, I'd love 173 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: to hear from our fellow conspiracy realist about whether or 174 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: not you think this is legit, what you think the 175 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: motivation is, and um whether they'll they'll actually find this person. 176 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: So I am signing off from an undisclosed location. Hope 177 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: to talk to everyone soon. In the meantime, please write 178 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: to us about this directly. You can email us we 179 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: are Conspiracy at I Heart radio dot com, or you 180 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: can call us. We are one eight three three s 181 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: T d W y t K grizzly stuff from Ben 182 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: Bolan in the field on the undisclosed field. We're gonna 183 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: take a quick break to hear a word from our sponsor, 184 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: and then we will be back with more. Listen to you, 185 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: and we're back with more messages or stories all the things. 186 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: Communications from you the Conspiracy Realist the best part of 187 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: the show, and this one is just delightful of it. Honestly, 188 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: I was a little concerned that it was going to, 189 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, be one of those kind of like you 190 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: guys totally got it wrong and screwed the pooch on 191 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: this one, but it turned out to just be a really, really, 192 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: really amazing bit of detail around the idea of handwritten 193 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: letters as advertising or in this case, as evangelizing. So 194 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: I don't just say anymore what We'll get into the 195 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: conversation in a minute, but here is a letter from Anna. Hi. 196 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: My name's Anna, and first of all, I just wanted 197 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: to say I love your podcast. Thank you, Anna. I 198 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: was listening to your latest episode today, the Troubling Future 199 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: of Advertising, and about three quarters of the way in, 200 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: I had to laugh to myself a little bit because 201 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: he started to talk about receiving handwritten letters from religious groups, 202 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: as it so happens at the time I was writing 203 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: one of these letters. I'm one of Jehovah's witnesses, and 204 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: if you've received any handwritten letters, they're probably from your 205 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: local witnesses. We are not evangelicals, but are a Christian religion. 206 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: It may be possible other religious groups maybe sending letters 207 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: to people too, but we do it on the largest scale. Anyway, 208 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: I heard you had a couple of questions on the 209 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: nature of these letters in your episodes, so I thought 210 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: i'd answer some of them for you. First off, the 211 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: reason we write these letters is because of wait for it, 212 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. Due to COVID nineteen, we can no longer 213 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: go door to door like we used to, so we've 214 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: had to adapt thus letter writing. Second, yes, we do 215 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: handwrite the letters, each and every one of them, though 216 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: some witnesses may opt to type them, but most prefer handwriting. Because, 217 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: like you mentioned, it makes it more personal. That being said, 218 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: we're making our letters personal for different reasons than an advertisement. 219 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: Unlike ads, we act really care about people and we 220 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: want to show it by taking the time to write 221 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: a letter just for them. We're not trying to sell anything. 222 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: We just want to offer some encouragement and hope. We 223 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: never asked for donations or charge for literature. Actually, most 224 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: of us lose money writing to people. I know I 225 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: do because we pay out of pocket for stamps, envelopes, 226 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: and paper. But we still do it because we care 227 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: about our neighbors. Third, you mentioned receiving letters written by children. 228 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: These letters are in fact written by children. Witnesses encourage 229 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: their kids to participate in letter writing with them. My 230 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: family usually does it together on Saturdays for a little while. 231 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: Though we aren't forcing kids to write letters, they do 232 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: it of their own free will. As you said, sometimes 233 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: the letters message may seem mature for the appearance of 234 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: the writing. That's because some kids need some help knowing 235 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: what to write, so they'll copy the parents letters. My 236 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: little brothers do this. Lastly, I have never and have 237 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: never heard of any witnesses using the term I'll pray 238 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: for you or anything along those lines, as it seems 239 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: very judgmental and a little creepy. So if you get 240 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: a letter that says that it's probably not from us anyway, 241 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: hopefully that answers some questions about what our operation and 242 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: quotes looks like. And I truly hope those who receive 243 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: my letters look at them as a message from someone 244 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: who cares about them rather than an advertisement. If you 245 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: have any questions about Jehovah's witnesses, you can learn more 246 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: about our beliefs at our website JW dot org. Again, 247 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: love your podcast. Every episode I learned something new. Keep 248 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: it up and have a great day. I'm not gonna lie, Matt. 249 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm getting a little verklempt right now, and I don't 250 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: know why, only because I just I think this is 251 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: really lovely. This is a really lovely sentiment, and uh 252 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: Anna's apparent clearly a lovely person. And you know, while 253 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: I have my beefs with organized religion certainly, and I 254 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: have made no uh attempts to hide that on the show. UM, 255 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: I also realized that the community aspect of it and 256 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: the like you know, um support aspect of it, and 257 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: the kind of like trying to give people hope and 258 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: engender kind of positive qualities and like being living to 259 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: be the best version of yourself. All of those things 260 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: are really powerful positive qualities of certain organized religion. And 261 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm not here to nag or dis on anything that 262 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: anyone's doing that's bettering themselves or making them you know, 263 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: literally treat their neighbors more kindly, you know, or with 264 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: respect or or in a way that tries to make 265 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: them feel seen. Uh. And I just thought this was 266 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: really lovely. Um. But also I love the fact that 267 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: Anna wasn't like mad that we brought this up in 268 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: the context of advertising, that she totally acknowledges that it 269 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: could be seen or taken that way and did some 270 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: things to clear it up without feeling preachy or judge 271 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: in any way. UM. So, I don't know, hats off 272 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: to you, Anna for this letter. Uh. It really kind 273 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: of made me feel things any think that that's awesome. 274 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: What my favorite thing is that she's listening to this 275 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: show of shows while she's doing that like outreach to people. Um, 276 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: not what I would expect, Anna, but you know, hey, 277 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: different strokes like strokes of the pen get it, yes 278 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: for sure? Um. You know, man, and I have. I 279 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: have a lot of questions and I'm not going to 280 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: pose them to you right now, but most of them 281 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: have to do with, you know, the baseline belief structure 282 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: of you know, someone who identifies as a Jehovah's witness, 283 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: and um, some of those things, like the acts, I 284 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: don't I don't know enough to like even have the 285 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: conversation right now. But we've discussed Jehovah's Witnesses in the 286 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: in the past. Uh, not not at the individual level, 287 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: but at on the structural level, right of the organization 288 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: and the beliefs, the belief system. I'm interested to know 289 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: how those letters play into some of those larger beliefs 290 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: about me. I might be getting this wrong, but treasures 291 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: in heaven versus you know what you how that's related 292 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: to your acts on this plane on earth? You know? Yeah? 293 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: I just wonder, like where the letter writing fits into 294 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: all of that. Yeah, And I have to wonder two Like, 295 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, maybe it's not overt, but surely 296 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: it's made clear in these letters that this is somehow 297 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: an extension of the of the Jehovah's Witness organization. And 298 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: I would imagine the intent in some small way has 299 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: to be to you know, get people to pay attention 300 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: and maybe given a second thought because they felt seen 301 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: and they felt, you know, like they were given something 302 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: very personal. Uh. And I think that's obviously whatever the intent. 303 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the intent of just like reaching 304 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: out and trying to make people feel good and trying 305 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: to help your name anythink that's all great and obviously 306 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: very important part of this. But I also think there 307 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: is certainly a component of it that is a form 308 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: of you know, some some form of recruitment. Yeah, but 309 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: I mean, but it's done in a very classy way. 310 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: And I think the intent of of the the utmost 311 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, importance is what is described me. And I'm 312 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: not trying to contradict you on our say that you 313 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: know you're not being on the level, because I think 314 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: clearly you are, and it seems like it's something that's 315 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: very meaningful to you and members of your community. And 316 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: I love the idea of like, you know, getting together 317 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: and doing this with the family, and of course, you know, 318 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: we know, I think many of us have probably been 319 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: visited by Jehovah's witnesses, and I would argue this is 320 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: probably a better a better alternative. Uh. In this day 321 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: and age of it's it's not, people are a little 322 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: suspicious when people knock on their doors. Yeah. Earlier today, 323 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: I was in a meeting and I heard a loud 324 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: brack on my door and my dogs were barking, and 325 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: I ran over there to check it, and it was 326 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: my friendly neighborhood. A T and T salesperson let me 327 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: know about high speed. Thanks buddy. I had someone come 328 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: up come around a couple weeks ago, very similarly, very 329 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: aggressive knock to like a cop knock, you know, trying 330 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: to talk, trying to pitch some kind of smart home installations. 331 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: If I feel like we're getting back to the like 332 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: the days of Willie Lohman or something like that. You know, 333 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a idea. I don't think it's 334 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: going to take off, but I have something to add 335 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: onto this. I think this is a really, really informative 336 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: perspective and I really again appreciate it. And um. I 337 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: did want to point out though, that in looking into 338 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: this a little further, there are quite a few companies 339 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 1: that specialize in software and hardware that essentially creates the 340 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: illusion of handwritten letters for ding ding ding marketing purposes. 341 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: There's a company called Scribe bless Um, and this is 342 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: how they describe their technol Oh my god, it's crazy looking, dude, 343 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: it's crazy looking. It's basically it looks like a robot 344 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: kind of It's like it's like a like a bar 345 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: with little feed on it, with a ribbon on it, 346 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: kind of like think you think of like the top 347 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: part of a typewriter, only instead of there being keys, 348 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: it's just this extension and this little grippy thing that 349 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: holds an ink pen and it literally moves back and forth, 350 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: kind of like a like an ink jet printer, but 351 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: it guides the actual physical pen and it adds little imperfections. 352 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: I just want to read a little bit from their site. 353 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: In an era where everything is digitized and accessible with 354 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: the click of a mouse, writing letters by hand is 355 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: archaic and a big waste of time. Marketing is evolved 356 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: in the past twenty years, changing the way businesses approach advertising. 357 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: Two decades ago, digital marketing was a secondary part of 358 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: the marketing mix, if not even less relevant. Though digital 359 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: marketing is the starting point of any campaign, marketers lost 360 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: the need to spend valuable time on personally writing letters 361 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: slowly making handwriting something of a lost art. Fortunately, a 362 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: few years ago, California based d i Y hardware manufacturer 363 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: wait for it, evil mad scientists decided to revive the 364 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: spirit of handwritten marketing. They created a robotic pen plotter 365 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: with one purpose to guide a pen along a surface. 366 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: But it's all lies. It's all a lie. It's not 367 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: a handwritten letter at all. It's a rope written letter. 368 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: That's very weird. It does look very much like a 369 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: handwritten letter, just done very well. It's it's like the 370 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: most perfect handwritten letter I've seen, but it's got these 371 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 1: minor little imperfections that trick your brain, little smudges. All 372 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: you have to do is take is literally like a 373 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: like a piece of particle board with little alligator clips 374 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: fixing the side of the letter on one side and 375 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: then the envelope on the other, and the thing does 376 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: zips zips his way across the paper, making those little 377 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: ink smudges and those little, you know, handwritten imperfections. But 378 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: I love the fact, this whole thing. And then it 379 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: goes on to say, uh, every day, consumers and professionals 380 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: get bombarded by promotional emails, digital ads, and meeting invites 381 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: between the average business professional received approximately ninety emails a day. 382 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: That's one every sixteen minutes. I think we can attest 383 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: to that, Matt, that is more than accurate, if not 384 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: a little on the low side sometimes. Um, but this 385 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: idea that it's a powerful way to extend your brands 386 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: person it's just very weird. It's like what is old 387 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: is now new again and weirder again. Um, you know, 388 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: I agree. My favorite thing on their website they've got 389 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: here under products direct Mail. They they mentioned that if 390 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: you have beautiful handwriting, you can use your own because 391 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: the AI can learn your handwriting style. What wow? Uh 392 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: is signature? Anybody forging signatures with a robot? Yeah? Exactly right? 393 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: How how how is that not being mentioned here? Yeah? 394 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean granted, look, when was the last time anyone 395 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: actually verified a signature, validated a signature? Have you ever actually, 396 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: like when you signed for something, you know, on a 397 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: digital pen pad, like in a you know, a grocery 398 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: store or retail of any kind, Like, yeah, your signature 399 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: is not exactly the same every time. And I've signed 400 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: for other people's stuff before, and there's no it's not 401 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: comparing into some database of signatures. It's all kind of bulls. Well, yeah, 402 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: it's so when an auditor comes to you with a 403 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: digital version of a check, you say, is that your signature? Mr? Brown? 404 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: And you have to say no or exact yeah, exactly 405 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: interesting stuff. Um, but gosh, that was just the absolute 406 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: perfect length for a listener mail segment. Thank you so much, Anna, 407 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: thank you evil robot mad pen scientists. No, thank you. 408 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm not into it's very strange. Uh, and I hope 409 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: you make you know, lots and lots of money. Um, 410 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna take another quick break and hear from our 411 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: sponsor and then be right back with a final piece 412 00:25:52,080 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: of listener mail. And we're back, and we're gonna jump 413 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: to our voicemail inbox. And I am sorry to report 414 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm still about a month behind on that sucker, but 415 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: we're getting closer and closer to real time. I promise 416 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna get there soon. This message comes to us 417 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: from Todd and it's about a story that came out 418 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: a little while ago. I want to say May of 419 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: this year, but I had never heard of it and 420 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: it got me all thinking and excited. So let's go 421 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: to it. Hey, guys, my names Todd. Uh. I work 422 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: in the aerospace industry. I am originally from Atlanta, Georgan, 423 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: I love your show, uh and I live in Los Angeles. 424 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: Now I got a fun one to throw your way. 425 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: This one involves our our good dear friend Brunner von 426 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: Braun and a book that he wrote called Project Mars 427 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: a Technical Tale. And Uh, I'm wondering maybe there's some crazy, 428 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: wacky theory that could tie this book in von Braun 429 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: to Elon must Um and Brunner von Braun's book he 430 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: mentioned the position um in the Martian government. Uh, that 431 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: takes the title of Elon, which is basically the leader 432 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: of Mars. I believe that is what it is. Maybe 433 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 1: you guys could what's this connection up? Maybe see if 434 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: there's any anything going on here. Maybe you want travel 435 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: back in time and have his name inserted to get 436 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: fulfill the destiny he so wishes to do. And yeah, 437 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: just very interesting considering the coincidence. And you know Elon 438 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: must basically paving the way forward to colonize marks instead 439 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: of a student settlement here. So yeah, check it out. 440 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: Do do a little Google search and go down the 441 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: rabbit hole. I know. I just did love to hear 442 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: you guys just stopped on it. Uh no, thank you. 443 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: You don't want to go to this one? Oh no no. 444 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: I was like, you can have that one, that you 445 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: can have this fun. What do you think? What did 446 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: you find down that dark, dank, spooky rabbit hole. Well, 447 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: first of all, Todd and everyone, I did a quick 448 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: search on archive dot org to see if I could 449 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: actually find this book called Project Mars, a technical tale 450 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: written by Werner Werner von Brown, the you know, Project 451 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: paper Clip scientist that worked on rockets for the Nazi Party, 452 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: then worked on rockets for NASA in the United States. Uh. 453 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: It is indeed a real document that you can find. 454 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: You can get a kindle version or a PDF that 455 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: you can download. You could even torrent this thing if 456 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: you wish. And I gotta say, I don't love it 457 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: as like I'm gonna sit down and read fictional tale, 458 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: some you know, novel about Mars. It's not my cup 459 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: of tea. As far as the language, how it moves along, 460 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: it is. It is literally a technical tell. It's come 461 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: It's very much combining known known science when it comes 462 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: to rocketry and what was being developed in nineteen fifty 463 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: two nineteen fifty three, and then extrapolating that to what 464 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: a Mars mission would look like, and then adding on 465 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,959 Speaker 1: top of it, you know, a fictional Martian world, right, 466 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: fictional Martian civilization that gets encountered. There's a lot of 467 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: interesting stuff in there, I would say, when it comes 468 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: to you know, black mirror style extrapolation of technology. There's 469 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: something that Mission Control and I were talking about nol 470 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: right before you you got on. It's their depiction or 471 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: Werner von Brown's depiction of what I guess face timing 472 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: would be like, which was really interesting to see from 473 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, the early nineteen fifties. Oh sure, I mean 474 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: I remember thinking that as a kid that technology the 475 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: risk communicators from Star Trek were like, you know, such 476 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: future high tech stuff that was like not going to 477 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: appear in our lifetime, And now it's just like, you know, 478 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: it's something we totally take for grandson. Yeah, Well, I 479 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: want to read this excerpt. It's a it's not too long, Noll, 480 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: but it's going to be tedious listening to my voice 481 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: for this long, but just one moment, bear with me. 482 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: I just want you to hear this excerpt because I 483 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: think you'll enjoy it. Uh, there's there are two of 484 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: the main characters there on this Martian land there within 485 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: the Martian buildings. They're on Mars, and these two Earthlings, 486 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: they're one of them is on one side of the base. 487 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: The other one is really far away on the other 488 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: side of the base. And this happens. No sooner had 489 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: the door closed than the light went out, greatly to 490 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: Hubbard's consternation, for he felt that this might be some 491 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: sort of trap. He was about to make a rush 492 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: for the door when Holt suddenly appeared across the table 493 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 1: from him against a milky luminous background. I like milky 494 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: luminous background. Hello, Glenn, how goes it? How on Earth? 495 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: I mean Mars? Did you get here so fast? Colonel 496 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm not really here at all, grinned Holt. What you 497 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: see is my astral body. We're talking by Martian telephone, 498 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: and that includes television. Hubbard was almost speechless with amazement 499 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: at the full sized colored stereoscopic telepicture, for he would 500 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 1: have bet his bottom dollar that Holt was really present. 501 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: So this is a nineteen fifty three mind describing video conferencing, right, 502 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: And you know we've seen that in all kinds of 503 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: science fiction but just to see it written out there 504 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: by one of you know, one of the greatest minds, 505 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: a literal rocket scientist, uh, describing it in this way 506 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: is pretty fascinating to me. I attend to agree that 507 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: that was really excellent reading. Though by the way, teeny 508 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,959 Speaker 1: is give me a break. That was spelled well, nobody 509 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: knows who Holt is in this context. I really there's 510 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: nothing here for you besides being describing it as a 511 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: stereoscopic telepicture on a milky as you said, luminous Becker. 512 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: So out all that stuff aside. What Todd is really 513 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: talking about here is this strange coincidence that word of 514 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: Ron Brown describes the government as being led by this 515 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: elon whatever this Elon is, and it is spelled E 516 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: l O N. And you can find it on page 517 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: one seventy seven of Project Mars, A Technical Tale, under 518 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: the chapter How Mars is Governed. I believe that's the 519 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: twenty four chapter. Here's the quote Noel and Todd. The 520 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: Martian government was directed by ten men, the leader of 521 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: whom was elected by universal suffrage for five years and 522 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: entitled Elon E l O N. Again, two houses of 523 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: Parliament enacted the laws to be administered by the Elon 524 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: and his cabinet. So it also makes me think of 525 00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: the was it the Eloi from the time Machine? Oh? Yeah, 526 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: that's weren't they the weird underground dwellers the Eloy. Oh, 527 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to look that up. I'm gonna have 528 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: to get some AI involved, because I don't remember machine 529 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: there was the more Locks in the Eloy. I think 530 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: the more Locks for the underground people. The Eloy are 531 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: one of two post human races existing in More the 532 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,239 Speaker 1: year eight oh two eight two thousand seven. They are 533 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: descended from upper class individuals live above ground and are 534 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: the main food source for the more Locks, so they're 535 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: kind of the boogie above ground dweller as well. The 536 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: more Locks of the sort of vampire i underground creatures 537 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: who occasionally will snatch up one of these. Uh these 538 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: elo eloit to be you know, grist for the mill 539 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: m what Well, it does remind me of Eloy, Elon Eloy, 540 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: But I don't think that's what we're talking about here, 541 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: uh I. I started trying to figure out how in 542 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: the heck did Wonder from Brown name this person Elon, 543 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: And there's not a lot of use of this word 544 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: there really isn't, especially within the context of leader. I 545 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: can't find much. Maybe I'm doing the wrong searches. Um 546 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: that might just be my fault, but I'm a bit 547 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: puzzled by it. So I started looking into the etymology 548 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: of the word Elon, of the name Elon, and this 549 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: is what I found. According to behind the name dot com, 550 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: the meat this is under meaning and history. It says 551 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: Elon means oak tree in Hebrew. According to the Old Testament, 552 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: this was the name of one of the ruling judges 553 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: of the Israelites. Okay, that would make sense. I have 554 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: not done a lot of digging in the Old Testament 555 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 1: for the word Elon. I'm certain that it exists there somewhere. 556 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: I just haven't seen it in a long time at least. Um. 557 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: Also on a beheam dash Publications dot com, you can 558 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: find the etymology of the word Elon. They say it 559 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: means oak. They say it comes from the the noun 560 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: alan a l l o n, which again is oak, 561 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: and from the verb a l a l a lull, 562 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: which means to protrude, So Elon the protruding oak. Um. 563 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: I I can't give you an explanation as to how 564 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: in the heck a guy named Elon ends up being 565 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: the one who seems to be running our mission to 566 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: Mars as humans. But he's the one that this rocket 567 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: scientist described as running Mars, or the name at least 568 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: was used. That is very puzzling to me. It's just 569 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: a coincidence, right, It's just a coincidence, that's all it is. 570 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: Or it could be some time machine stuff, you know. 571 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: That's the only reason I brought out the time machine 572 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: because it made me think of, you know, time traveling stuff. 573 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: Also weird upstairs downstairs classrooms that has finished the White 574 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: Lotus by the way, on HBO, everybody should give that 575 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: a look. It's fantastic. But this is a weird one 576 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: and super fun, really great fodder for like some speculative 577 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: sci fi. I think tend to believe that it's a coincidence. 578 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: But it's a weird one, man, And you you found 579 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: some good stuff. Yeah, I mean there's not there's not 580 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 1: much to it, I think, Todd, Oh gosh, I'm already 581 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: forgetting That's how my mind works. Now. Things go in, 582 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: they stay for a moment, and then they're gone. But 583 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: I believe Todd, you mentioned like is this just Elon 584 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: maybe knowing about this or hearing about it being named that, 585 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: and you know, having an interest in some of the 586 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: fields that would lead him towards this goal. And now 587 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: it's like part of his destiny or is it literally 588 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: just a coincidence? Very strange to me, but I don't 589 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: have any answers. I'm sorry. It's not really stuff they 590 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Unless Vernon von brown knew something. 591 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: You know, in ninety two he somehow was able to 592 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: bend light so that he could see that a man 593 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: named Elon Musk was on Mars at some point in 594 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: the future. Well, I have no doubt that Verona von 595 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: braun knew some stuff that he did not want us 596 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,479 Speaker 1: to know. Um, and many of those things likely died 597 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: with him. But thanks for the voicemail. UM. That was 598 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: a real head scratcher. Matt. I believe you have a 599 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: bonus voicemail for us for today to wrap us up, 600 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: don't you. I do, And I consider this a bonus 601 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: because there's not a ton of discussion for us to 602 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: have on the show about it. But I very much 603 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: enjoyed the response that this person had to one of 604 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: our I think it was a strange news or maybe 605 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: it was a listener mail segment. It was one of 606 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: the two. About this thing. I think know you brought 607 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: it up I and I don't want to spoil anything. 608 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: Let's just jump straight to it. This is Dave A. 609 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: K A. The can stint caller. Hey, guys, Uh, look, fellas, 610 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: it's finally happened. You've actually expressed the viewpoint that I 611 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: just wholeheartedly. Can I get behind? This is Dave the 612 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: constant caller calling you know this, birds aren't real movement? Ah, 613 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: it's questionable because you know, as you guys know, there 614 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: are people in this country that will believe any got 615 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: things they're told or fed. Look at trump is um, 616 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: look at the January six insurrection, look at um well, 617 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: the flat earth movement even you know that you guys 618 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 1: even mentioned there are people that will really believe that crap. 619 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: And you know what's gonna happen is with these nuts. 620 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: So it's gonna become open season on songbirds because they 621 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: will no longer feel any ethical or moral obligation to 622 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: leave a malone. And you know what, the songbirds in 623 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: this country are already struggling. If this people, you know, granted, 624 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: if they're going for a money grab, Like you say, 625 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: you gotta pay tickets go to comedy show. That's okay 626 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: in that respect. Well, why did he come up with 627 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: something like clouds aren't real or uh, you know, something 628 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: harmless like that, like you know, carbon isn't real? You 629 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 1: know what I mean? They could have come up with 630 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: an equally uh ludicrous or absurd idea and accomplished the 631 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: same goal. Why why put a species at risk for 632 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: your own personal game. Just like I mentioned before on 633 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: one of my previous calls, I hope that they never 634 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: actually find any real bigfoot slash sasqua, sasquads, whatever you 635 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 1: want to call them, because if they do, it will 636 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: become open season. They'll be wanting to hunt them, capture them, 637 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: put them in zoos, et cetera. Guys, I'll love your show, 638 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: but I can't get behind this particular notion. All Right, 639 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: those take care. I still love the show and hopefully 640 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: you know you'll you'll see my point of view on 641 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: this matter. Take care, keep up the good work. Bye bye, Well, Dave. 642 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: I mean, we had a whole moment in that conversation 643 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: where I believe I brought up the idea that it 644 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: was something that that certain people might glom onto for 645 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 1: that very same reason. The whole flat earth thing. I mean, 646 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: it seems on the surface so absurd and and easily disapprovable. Uh. 647 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: Is it a sad Is it a satire belief system? 648 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: I think for some surely it is. But I think 649 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: for plenty it absolutely is not. So. I think we 650 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: had a whole moment in the conversation we were talking 651 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: about how there are certain folks that could truly believe this. 652 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 1: It did not occur to me that it would lead 653 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: to open season on songbirds per se. But um, I 654 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: see where you're coming from. Obviously you're a fan of 655 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: of of these creepy little dinosaurs. I really wanted to 656 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: play this on air because nol, I know how not 657 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,879 Speaker 1: necessarily anti bird you are. I'm not anti bird, I'm 658 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: just I'm bird cautious, Okay. I view birds with a 659 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: skeptical caution. Um, I don't trust him. I don't like 660 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,879 Speaker 1: their beady little eyes there, creepy little claws, and their 661 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: jerky little movements. Well, hey, you know, I'm just glad 662 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 1: that I don't know. There's something about Dave's passionate response 663 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: to it that just really got to me. No, I 664 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: loved it. Uh. And again, this is somebody I've talked 665 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: to several one time, but I've listened to him call 666 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: in many, many a time, and uh, he really, he 667 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 1: really is the constant caller in a great way because 668 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: he always he always has something to contribute. Um. I 669 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: just really, I think he's onto something here where, even 670 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: if it's with the best intentions, spreading a you know, 671 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: a eurie like that, like birds Aren't Real, can have 672 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: dangerous side effects because you never know how it's going 673 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: to be taken, whether literally or metaphorically, or you know, 674 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: to what degree someone would act on this concept. Just 675 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: food for thought, man, And I think we did talk 676 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: about it to a fairly long extent there and covered 677 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the ground when we discussed it last time. 678 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,240 Speaker 1: I think you're right now, but again, appreciate your passion 679 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,839 Speaker 1: for for the birds, um and I completely agree. I mean, 680 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: we're living in a really scary time where information is 681 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: taking a face value so easily, despite the fact that 682 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 1: we have all these amazing tools to vet information like 683 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: super quickly. Uh, and yet we've become really lazy in 684 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 1: terms of like the way that we um fortify ourselves 685 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: against this kind of misinformation. And again, I think that's 686 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: sort of what this campaign or whatever you want to 687 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: call it, kind of performance our thing and sort of 688 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 1: pointing to is that, of course, this is so stupid 689 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: that no one could possibly believe it. But I think 690 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: maybe it's almost like it's it's it's what like kind 691 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 1: of proving its own point a little bit too two 692 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 1: pointed lee, ha ha, it's two point. I would just say, 693 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 1: even these places that we go online to to vet 694 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: our sources can have flaws. There was a big story recently, 695 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: not recently, but somewhat recently. They came out about snopes 696 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 1: dot com and one of the founders of that website 697 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: and how they were literally ripping off other websites just 698 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: just directly, and some of the writers were told to 699 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: do that, and you know, the information wasn't necessarily from 700 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: their own research in several instances. Not this is news 701 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: to me not snoops. Yeah, well, I mean again, like 702 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: no sources perfect right, every you know, no matter what 703 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: you're trying to use to vet sources, everyone is kind 704 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: of going and doing their level best, let's say, at 705 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: least in the best case scenario. But that's not always true. 706 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: So I think that's why it's so important that we 707 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: have this everyone listening right now, this you know, group 708 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: of people that is that we're all going to be 709 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: using our critical thinking skills too to take on any 710 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: and all subjects. And when we work together and we 711 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: think together and we can discuss, I think that's where 712 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: we get the closest to the truth. Maybe maybe not, 713 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd love to know what you think 714 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: about that and everything that we've covered on this episode. 715 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: And we are super easy to find and to give 716 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: feedback to. You can find us on Twitter and Facebook 717 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: and YouTube where we are conspiracy stuff on Instagram or 718 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff show. Let's right, And if you would like 719 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: to find me as an individual on social media, I 720 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: am at how now Noel Brown exclusively on Instagram. Matt, 721 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: what do you at? Birds aren't real? Matt Frederick h 722 00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: w at Todd the constant Elan or No, I don't, 723 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,399 Speaker 1: I don't know, you can. I'll tell you really, it's 724 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: Matt underscore Frederick underscore. Nope, I can't. I don't know 725 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: what it is. It's Matt Frederick something. Yeah, just look 726 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 1: up Matt Frederick. He's aren't that many of them. But 727 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: can people find you on like Twitch or d n 728 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: D online or one of those nerd things. There's yeah, 729 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,839 Speaker 1: there's all kinds of weird stuff. I've been playing that 730 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,879 Speaker 1: Magic Arena a lot. I saw something on Twitter about that, 731 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: and I've played a couple of games with a few people, 732 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: and I have just been destroyed by everybody I've played 733 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: thus far I've met. Well, if anybody plays Monster Hunter, 734 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,800 Speaker 1: rise on the switch, hit me up with a d M. 735 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,919 Speaker 1: I would love to to go on a Monster Hunt 736 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: with you. Um yeah, just you can do that via Instagram. Um. 737 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: You can also give us a call as a show 738 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: you could participate in one of these very listener male 739 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: episodes that you've just heard. You can call us at 740 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: one eight three three std w y t K leave 741 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: a message of the sound Ben's dulcet tones. You've got 742 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: three minutes or three minutes or yours. Do with them 743 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: as you will, but please do let us know that 744 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,240 Speaker 1: it's okay to use your vocal likeness on the show 745 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: and let us know what to call you or if 746 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: you don't want us to call you anything at all, 747 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 1: and you know, never know, you might actually get a 748 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 1: call from our boy Matt Frederick because he's just good 749 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I'm sorry in advance, because I will 750 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:26,319 Speaker 1: call you. He will call her sorry reference. I don't 751 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: think I got that reference, Matt. Uh. Maybe maybe this 752 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: will be you will call her no amazing inflection, but 753 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: still don't think I know the pop cultural property that 754 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: you are referencing. Well, I'm sorry you don't get it. 755 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to drink a few more glasses of this 756 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: milk and uh oh okay, because it's yeahs such a 757 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 1: hot day. Probably not the best choice of beverage. Sure, 758 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: that's another reference. We're crossing references here, so it's not 759 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 1: anchor man. No, So somebody will get it, somebody out here. 760 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: God speed to you. Let us know what maths of 761 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,359 Speaker 1: reference saying, and we will send you a T shirt 762 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: or something. You can find our T shirts. Still, I 763 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 1: think if you go to t public dot com uh 764 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: and search for stuff that I want you to know 765 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: we do have merched. I think we're gonna start being 766 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 1: a little more um conscientious about getting some new designs 767 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 1: out there, but be on the lookout for that nice 768 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: But for now, all you have to do if you 769 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: want to reach out to us, especially if you've got 770 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: links or something lengthy, send us a good old fashioned email. 771 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: We are conspiracy at iHeart radio dot com. Stuff they 772 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: don't want you to know is a production of I 773 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 1: heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit 774 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,920 Speaker 1: the i heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 775 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.