WEBVTT - The NFL Draft with Nate Tice 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:05.160 Welcome to the solid verbal hell that. 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.160 For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.119 I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.080 be happy. You want to be happy for a day? 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:14.800 Da steak? Is that woo woom? 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:20.439 And Dan and Tye, welcome back to the solid verbal 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.000 boys and girls. My name is ty hilden Brandt. That 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.920 fine gentleman over there, the so called monster of the Midway, 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:30.040 Dan Rubinstein in the heart of the Midwest, Chicago, Illinois, Sir, 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:30.520 how are you? 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.280 I'm terrific, Ty, I'm terrific. There's no rain, there's no snow, 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.640 there's nothing happening. I had a nice weekend, had a 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:38.320 good pizza bake, yes, Shay go, and to make some 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.479 more today, which is always always fun for me. So 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.240 this is so. We're doing an NFL Draft show today. Yes, 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.280 and as always we're driven by Geico. Yes, Convermi, you 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.560 are driven by our friends of Geico. Yes, yes, Okay, 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.360 just wanted to make sure because I'm I'm feeling like 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.160 the wind in my hair as we drive down the 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.040 content road here. That's right. I love the NFL Draft. 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:04.080 I basically watch no NFL games before the before the playoffs, 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.000 just because life is so busy, and work is so 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.479 busy doing soliverbal and college football things during the fall 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.639 time on the weekends. But I love the NFL Draft. 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.440 I love the strategy of it. I love taking players 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.720 that we watched a ton of in college and seeing 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:22.280 how another group of people evaluate what their futures and 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.880 how good they are or were or seemed but warrant 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.320 or didn't seem but are those kinds of things and love. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:33.080 I love the mechanics of the NFL Draft, And that's 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.360 why I'm especially excited because this is a first time 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.160 guest that we're having on today, Nate Tice from the 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.240 Athletic I love all of the brains that go into it, 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.560 and it's such an inexact science. There's so much guesswork 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.240 to it, but I think that's what makes it incredibly 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.280 fun and interesting. Oh, I'm quite excited for today's show. 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:56.400 It is also the hardest sporting event to convince your 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:00.840 spouse and or significant other to like watch, Yeah, because 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.480 when you describe to them what it is, HM, you're 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:10.000 gonna wait fifteen minutes, ten minutes in between picks and 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.600 they're going to call someone to a podium and in 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:17.920 between it's all filler, Dan m hm. And it goes 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:22.360 on for hours, three days, yes, four days, however long 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.440 it is. Yeah, three yeah. This is where we're at 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.000 with the NFL Draft. But I love it too. 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:27.640 It's awesome. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.760 It is great. It is one of those points of 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.240 overlap between college and pro. If you're a college fan, 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.200 you want to see how your favorite college stars do, 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.440 where they get drafted, how they translate to the next level. 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:41.840 If you're an NFL fan, in a lot of cases, 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.960 it may be your introduction into the previous year of 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.560 college football. Right you don't you watch it, but you 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.360 care about who your team's gonna get. You start reading 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.520 up on these guys looking back to see how they 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.880 did in college. So one of those cool moments for 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.280 us where we get to talk to NFL people. Talk 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.560 to Robert Mays of The Athletic Football Show. Last year, 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.320 we're talking to his co host, Nate Tice. 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I don't know if you watched any 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.200 highlights news anything. I saw Clemson there were a lot 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.719 of struggles, but maybe it's because they have such strong 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.000 defensive linemen. I don't know. I watched some clips of. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.560 Michigan Club nick Man, my boy, your guy, my boy. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:31.440 Yeah. I didn't see a terrible amount of news regarding 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:35.240 spring game stuff outside of that, but we do absolutely 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:41.000 need to mention Dwayne Haskins. Dwayne Haskins, the tragedy twenty four, 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:49.960 twenty four years old, and just those who spent significant 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:54.000 around time around Dwayne Haskins. Obviously, we watched him from 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.760 Afar and were thrilled to see how prolific a player 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.000 and successful a player he was at Ohio State and 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.039 his brief time as a starting quarterback there. But you 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.560 read the stories and the experiences of the people who 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.240 spend a lot of time around him, and it's just 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.800 absolutely heartbreaking to lose somebody like that who had so 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.600 much meaning, well so much meaning for so many people. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.080 And so it's just just a brutal bit of news 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:20.000 from over the weekend. 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.479 Absolutely devastating to hear that news. I sent it to 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:24.200 you and I saw it. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:28.360 We were both bored. So yeah, and especially painful reminder, 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.600 as you know, we're talking about draft stuff, and we're 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.120 talking about, you know, the strengths and weaknesses of a 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.520 player or of a program, or like talking about humans. 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.000 We're talking about human beings who are doing their absolute 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:45.359 best to further their place professionally. But man just gutted 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:46.480 to see what happened. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.640 Well, on that tragic note, Dan, we will segue here 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:54.520 to the topic dujor on the show. Yes, it is 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:59.240 the NFL Draft. It is Nat Tice. I don't know, like, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:03.440 do you have any preference when it comes to the 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.320 NFL Draft with respect to the guys that you like, 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.560 Because I've talked about this before on our show. I 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:13.159 am a sucker for pretty much every wide receiver. Yeah, 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.760 every wide receiver, every standout wide receiver that's ever come 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.880 out of college. I have been utterly convinced that they're 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.360 going to pop at the next level, to the extent 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.640 where I'm playing in fantasy football leagues, dynasty leagues where 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:29.640 you're required to draft some of these young draft prospects, 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.679 and I pick them all and most of them never pop. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.880 I got Tyler Lockett, right, it took them a little 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.120 bit to get there. I've gotten a couple other guy. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.680 I got Odell Beckham, right, I've gotten a couple guys 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.040 right along the way. 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:43.640 What a brave stand you took. 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:48.120 But player exactly like, you're not going to confuse me 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.680 with Nate Tice, who actually knows what he's looking at. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.160 Do you have any guys like that or any position 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.760 groups like that where you're just hook line and sinker 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.080 for whoever the names are in that given year. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:04.840 I'm always rooting for not just the players, but the destinations. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.880 For the Swiss Army knife speed types d Anthony Thomas, 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.960 Tyreek Hill, Percy Harvin, most recently Deebo Samuel who landed 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:17.679 in the absolute perfect system and situation Taevon Austin. Guys 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.160 who are just so fast and so talented and so 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.440 good with the ball. They're not a pure receiver, they're 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.120 not a pure running back, they're not a flanker per se. 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.720 They're not an outside guy per se. Where they're the 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:33.880 sort of at best that interchangeable talent that is lightning 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.320 in a bottle, but at worst they end up somewhere 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.720 that tries to put the circle in the square peg. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:43.040 So I'm always rooting for those guys who are inside 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:47.000 outside players who have that ability to land somewhere that 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.920 sees the beauty in their specific talents. That's what I 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.760 root for. Shall we dive right in I'm ready. 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.120 Let's do it already Dan joining us now from the 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.400 Athletic The Athletic Football Show with our friend Robert Mays, 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.160 who actually did this interview with us a year ago. 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.120 Please to welcome Nate Tice to the Solid Verbals. Sir, 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:06.560 how are you? 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.000 I'm doing well? Yeah? Now you got both of us. 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.560 That's good. Complete completely the set. Now you need Lindsey 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.840 Jones and Chokapatia if you work. 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.480 Our way, yeah, work away through the mount rushmore. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.480 So. Yeah, you did the reverse Mortal Kombat. You started 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.880 with Shao Khan. Whoa. Now you're on the goro. I 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:24.559 guess I'm goro. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.640 That's true, a natural goro. Yeah, Tice, we'll use that. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.120 I appreciate that. No, thanks for having me all guys, 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.200 this is perfect. I know our appre show. I feel 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.160 like I've used up all my good bits. So I 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:38.880 have a couple more. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.440 Yeah, if we can harvest those yeahs as we go 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.680 through here. So look, how how are you right? You've 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:49.800 been intimately involved with all things football for a good 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.480 long time now, you know, sort of in this role 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.160 now with the Athletic you're making the rest of us smarter, 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.000 and that's why we wanted to bring you on because 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:01.080 the NFL Draft happens a few weeks from now. The 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.040 draft is one of those points of intersect between college 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.480 football fans, hardcore college football fans, and the NFL, and 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.920 there's always that gray area, right, like the translation from 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:16.240 college to pro. How have you been spending your time 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.960 now as you're trying to suss out the NFL draft, 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:20.680 Like what can you give us a sense for what 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.000 that looks like for you as you're evaluating talent? 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.920 Yeah, right now, it's kind of the calm period, which 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.880 is kind of funny. The closer it gets, the callmber 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:31.400 it gets. But I would say when I'm starting out 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.120 and this is this is my first year doing this 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.720 on the media side, where during the season I'm covering 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.040 the NFL stuff with Robert doing the shows right and 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.559 stuff up, you know what I see, and then also 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.280 having to keep tabs on college guys. So this is 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.559 my first experience to doing this stuff from the media world, 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.079 and really you're just starting out, Okay, who are the 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.199 draft eligible guys and going like, okay, all right, who 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.520 are your seniors? And now that's actually becoming even dicier. 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.120 That's what actually went through this year with all the 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.160 COVID stuff and everybody getting those extra years. How how 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:06.079 teams listed their guys on websites was all inconsistent. Already 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.600 Notre Dame and Stanford do something screwy because they don't 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.440 say red shirt and stuff. So that always is like, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.800 oh God, and now we got the COVID year. And 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:16.040 so you got like this guy Tyler Algiere from from BYU. 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:17.840 There was one side that had him as a sophomore, 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.520 one side had him as junior, one side had him 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.880 as a redcher at senior, and like it was just like, okay, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.439 what are you? But that's just part of the fun. 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:26.839 But figuring all these out, you're really hoping for these 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.120 guys to pop. You know of some guys like before 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.480 going into this year, I knew who John Matchi was. 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:33.800 I know who he is. I've watched DeVante Smith, I 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.319 watched Jerry Judy. But like a guy like James and 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.240 Williams just stepping up out of nowhere. That's what's fun. 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.120 Like with the scouting processes, these guys pops, it's the 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.400 Joe Burrows come out of nowhere. Then. But then there's 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.360 guys that you've heard about for years and years and years, 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.040 the Thibadeau's of the world that you know about since 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.640 senior year of high school. And so that's what's fun 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.040 about scouting is that just getting to like see these 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.400 guys reveal themselves and once I really like to wait 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.240 until about the December or so, like to really get 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:03.640 a feel for these guys when you have a full 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.480 season of tape and you're trying to watch these guys 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.280 against the best competition. I also like to watch these 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.320 guys against maybe lesser competition to see them actually dominate, 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.600 like see like, hey, in perfect circumstances, what did you do? 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.000 Like how did you do it? As well as the 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.160 big games you know against when they go against the 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.480 Alabamas into Georgia's and the Ohio States of the world. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.440 But really long winded answer to say, scouting is just 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.360 letting it wash over you and just hoping that someone 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.920 pops and then you're just like okay, or that guy's notable, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:32.640 and then checking the lists to see, you know, other 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:33.760 people are seeing the same thing. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.760 Nate, you mentioned guys that come out of nowhere. I 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.600 want to bring up Kenny Pickett for a second if 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:43.000 I could, I know in some of the analysis you've done. 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.920 You have some commentary about his progressions, how he needs 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.480 to develop on that front. Obviously, the talking point going 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.600 into the draft and after the combine has been the 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.480 eight and a half inch hands, which another data point. 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.079 But you hit on something with the guys who come 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.360 out of nowhere that I've always thought, and I'm not 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:04.839 an analyst, I'm not a scout, but my untrained eye 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.000 is always a little bit concerned when a guy like 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.480 a Kenny Pickett has just a meteoric rise in the 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.200 course of one season. Kenny Pickett threw more touchdowns this 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.680 past season than he had in the previous three combined. 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.440 It was an incredible year by any stretch. But I 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.240 always worry that guys like that are fools gold. Now counterpoint, 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.800 Joe Burrow not fools gold, and he fits a similar template. 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.800 But give us your sense of Kenny Pickett. How worried 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.520 should folks be? How high should he go on draft Day? 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.160 What is his status as a pro quarterback moving forward? 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:42.839 Yeah, with Picket is and people are compared these two 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.040 is Burrow and Pickett just because of that meteoric rise. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.000 A lot of this is going into process and going 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.000 what they do as a snap's going pre and post snap, 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.320 so just discerning what the defense is, if they have 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.760 any protection stuff, and then after snap, seeing where their 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.320 eyes go. And why I'm bringing that up is even 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.120 before Burrow's huge year, I I I'm not gonna say 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.160 like I have heard a Burrow before that big year, 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.360 but when you would watch him and then watch the 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.640 previous season before he blew up, you could still see 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.720 some of the processing stuff. You could still see some 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.200 of the flashes of going, okay, you get it, like 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.720 you get how to play the quarterback position. The offense 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.680 wasn't great. You weren't great either, but you at least, like, 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.800 you know, you looked like a Day three pick. Like 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:25.920 at the time he really looked like a fifth, sixth, 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:30.200 seventh rounder type. And then he just exploded that now 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:31.679 we're all gonna know who Joe Burrow is for the 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.600 rest of our lives. With Pickett is yes, all he 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.040 is an older prospect and all that, And why I 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.920 bring that up is that is what's more than more 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:41.680 than the hand size, more than any of that stuff 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:43.920 is for a guy that's an older guy in an 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.600 offense that he's been in before, he doesn't really stand 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.080 the pocket and process how I thought he would. I 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:50.840 thought he would be a one to two to three 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.120 to four machine, just a vet, you know, just sitting 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.520 in there knifing and you know, dicing guys up from 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.560 the pocket. And really he's a one and done guy, 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.440 which is also his strength. And when I mean one 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.840 and done, it's I'm going to read a that's not 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.160 open scramble time. Let's make go make a play happen. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.120 And that's his best asset is he can create, which 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.200 is needed at the quarterback position in the NFL. Now, 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.800 you can't just be a bled cell. You can't be 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.280 just you can be Tom Brady, but you also need 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.400 about ten years of experience to get to that level 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.600 of sitting in the pocket and not creating with your legs. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:23.520 You need to be able to create, especially early in 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.800 your career so you can get the mental reps. So 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.680 the fact that he's a guy that's been an offense 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.080 for years, for a couple of years, he's an older prospect, 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.560 he's going against less younger guys, and the fact that 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:35.840 he's still mentally is more like a one and done 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.720 freshman sophomore type. That's that's my cost for concern with him. 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:41.800 I have him as a late second early third round 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.720 grade I and this is not like it's kind of 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.200 a joke, but I don't mean it to be about 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.280 compared with Tyra Hanikey from Washington and the fact that 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.520 I think he's a better version of that and how 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.520 Picket wins. How all these guys you have to figure 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.760 out how they win, and how Picket wins is creation 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.640 and accuracy, and if his mental process is from the pocket, 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.120 he can get to a system. It's a little more 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:03.760 patient with him. I think he needs more time than 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.960 people realize. I think people are like, oh, plug and play, 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.520 he's pro ready. I think he still needs some time 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.920 as far as mentally to like calm himself down in 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:12.800 the pocket and really like process from there. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:17.560 You've also made a similar comment about Matt Corral from 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:22.880 Olbyss and Sam Howell from North Carolina. Now different context. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.480 I think you focus in a little bit more on 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.680 the systems that Corral and how have run, But the 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.680 criticism is sort of in the same vein with regard 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.840 to processing. When you get to this stage in your career, Nate, 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.520 I mean, you obviously are pretty familiar with the NFL 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.360 and how things work on that level. Can you coach 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.960 a guy up to the point where that processing gets 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.120 to where it needs to be, where the read progression 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.600 can get to where it needs to be, or is 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.520 the concern that it's too little, too late at this point? 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.400 Yeah, you can, and that's why it's a guy. I'm 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.560 going to tire all both sides of my mouth. You can. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.600 But the thing is, it takes time. And also you 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.080 want to see the flashes of it when they're in college, 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.320 because then it's a it's a can or won't thing? 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.000 A right are they doing that? Because you can't do 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.240 it or you won't do it? We can teach it 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.320 into you, you know, like it's that's what you're trying 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.080 to figure out. Like that's why so at corral Is 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.280 lane Kiff and I have seen run various versions of offense, 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:23.120 r PO heavy pro style mix in pistol, like just 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:24.680 a little bit of everything. He changes it up all 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:29.920 the time, seeing him in situations where the quarterback is 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.080 usually has to be the most valuable guy at third 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.120 and six, At third and seven, Hey, what's drop back 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:35.880 and pass? And you have to find the right throw 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:38.800 they Lane Kiffin would choose to just run like a 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.600 QB counter, which just choose to run a screen. And 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.400 that's where my red awords go off. And so that's 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.280 why each guy a guy can come from an RPO 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.440 heavy system. Matt Jones perfect example. Like everyone wants to 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.280 think Alabama as his pro style, it's not his RPO's 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.600 RPOs get his processing in. It was so it was magical. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.760 It was just how quick he went what you like, 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:00.480 he would just in the ball, just go to the 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.480 perfect spot every time. So that was one of those 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.240 where it's like, Okay, you didn't run a lot of 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.640 pro style stuff quote unquote pro style, but I think 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.520 you can. I'm in make a bet that you can 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.080 handle it. When you watch a Matt corral is, anytime 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.280 he has to go one to two, they do run 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.760 a drop back. It's like hold onto your hat. Sometimes 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.440 he can do it. Sometimes it's all over the place. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.600 A lot of times he's looking to run. You never 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.280 really want to see these guys. And both of these 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:23.960 guys do a crow and howe is they look to 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.760 run and pick it. They all look to run right away. 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.439 And why that matters is you have to do damage 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.040 from the pocket. You have to because defense is just 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.360 too fast and good. You can't just keep scrambling. You're 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.000 gonna get whacked over it and you just can't. It's 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.120 a three yard game where you just took a shot 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.880 and that's not worth it to the offense. Yes, using 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:43.760 your legs on like a third down getting it is good, 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.880 but not living that way, making a living that way. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:48.959 And so that's where my concerns with Carral and how 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:50.639 Will come is that when they were asked to do 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.000 the drop X stuff, it was it was a grab bag. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.880 There's no consistency to their game. And it's like, yes, 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:57.920 you can get on these guys on the whiteboard and 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:00.840 at the combine and go, okay, maybe they can handle it. 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.320 But when you're seeing just maybe those three or four 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.240 or five snaps a game and they can't really do 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.639 it consistently, that's where you're concerned. Is that, Well, if 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.720 they can't do it for five snaps, now I'm asking 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.640 them doing it for fifteen twenty five snaps. That's that's 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:13.359 a little scary. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.480 Every year, quarterback classes are basically always looked at as 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.639 wild cards. You know, everybody's playing different competition, everybody's running 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.600 different schemes, and everybody's going to enter into different situations. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:28.119 So if you are able to use your captain hindsight 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.680 of the past three, four or five years and say, Okay, 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.159 these were all wild cards. These guys kind of worked 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.720 out and it wasn't obvious that they would, and these 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.000 guys didn't and it seemed obvious that they would. What 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.080 are there any lessons you can apply to the past three, 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.879 four or five years of quarterback classes looking at this 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.560 class who are like, Okay, I could see it working 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.560 out even though this guy seems like, Man, I don't 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.479 know if it's all. There are there examples that you 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.919 can you can pull from your your memory banks. 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.240 Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people will probably say 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.159 Josh Allen because but Josh Allen is gonna be the 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.840 outlier of all outliers in life. I'm not even just 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.000 talking about football scouting. I'm talking about data points in life. 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.280 Stocks like you want to compare to. That's what Josh, 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:17.199 I mean anything a baseball card that also becomes you know, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.640 a Honus Wagner. No, I would say more is justin 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.359 Herbert And that's where I've taken a ton of lessons 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.920