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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye, welcome back to the solid verbal

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Speaker 1: fine gentleman over there, the so called monster of the Midway,

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein in the heart of the Midwest, Chicago, Illinois, Sir,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm terrific, Ty, I'm terrific. There's no rain, there's no snow,

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Speaker 3: more today, which is always always fun for me. So

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Speaker 3: this is so. We're doing an NFL Draft show today. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and as always we're driven by Geico. Yes, Convermi, you

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Speaker 3: I basically watch no NFL games before the before the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: time on the weekends. But I love the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 3: I love the strategy of it. I love taking players

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Speaker 3: I love the mechanics of the NFL Draft, And that's

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Speaker 3: Athletic I love all of the brains that go into it,

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Speaker 1: It is also the hardest sporting event to convince your

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Speaker 1: Please to welcome Nate Tice to the Solid Verbals. Sir,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: his cap coming as a prospect and say the flip

431
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Speaker 2: side Tua running all those RPOs. It turns out that's

432
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Speaker 2: probably what he needs to run. And there's nothing against RPOs.

433
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Speaker 2: Like every even in the NFL, you still have to

434
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Speaker 2: have a sprinkling of them, but you just can't major

435
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Speaker 2: in them. It's just defenses are just too good what

436
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 2: they just are. But you can get once in a

437
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 2: while sprinkle in a make it easy on your offense,

438
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 2: but it's just really hard to major in them. And

439
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Speaker 2: I think that's what I've learned from two is like

440
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 2: we've given it a chance. The Dolphins gave it a

441
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 2: chance to run that heavy RPO system. I don't think

442
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: it's it's tangible in the NFL.

443
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Speaker 3: Is there something you can glean from that because I've

444
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Speaker 3: actually seen data points of like, okay, RPOs removed, this

445
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: is what a quarterback does or can't do. Is there

446
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 3: something you can take from like the ability to decide quickly,

447
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 3: the ability to read a defense quickly, because that is

448
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 3: what an RPO demands a quarterback do. Is there something

449
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 3: that you can take from that element of I mean

450
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 3: all of these guys have run it to a certain extent.

451
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Speaker 3: Is something you can take from that?

452
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Speaker 2: Yeah? And it's processing is did they make the give

453
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Speaker 2: or take read properly? And that's really is they asked

454
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: him to do this, Did he execute it properly or

455
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 2: did he just pull it to call his own number?

456
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 2: And they've just made it to a terrible situation. And

457
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: also just trace wise accuracy. That's mac Row's best strength

458
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: really is his how how quick of a trigger? He asked?

459
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 2: Like how quick he It's like a shortstop. That's actually

460
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 2: his biggest positive. And that's what you look at too.

461
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Speaker 2: It's just like are you able to squeez in the

462
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: tight spaces? Are you able to change arm angles? That's

463
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 2: another skill that these guys have to have. Everything's not

464
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 2: with drill work. You just catch it. Everything's perfect throw,

465
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: you have to change it down below, over the top,

466
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: put touch on it. So those are a little trait

467
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 2: things that you look at for those.

468
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Speaker 3: Is anything appear to you jump off the videotape as

469
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Speaker 3: it were about practice time limitation right? That these guys

470
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Speaker 3: are limited. I mean they can watch as much tape

471
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Speaker 3: as they want to do. They can do walk through

472
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Speaker 3: as they have summer throwing sessions, things of that nature.

473
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Speaker 3: But you are limited as a college player that you

474
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Speaker 3: can only practice so much. That you can look at

475
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Speaker 3: a quarterback and say, man, it seems that by all accounts,

476
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Speaker 3: he is very coachable. He is very eager to like

477
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Speaker 3: grind it out on the practice field. But you can

478
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Speaker 3: tell that for whatever reason, the system that they're running,

479
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Speaker 3: as you mentioned with Justin Herbert for example, is pretty

480
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Speaker 3: simplistic and is not asking a lot of him. Is

481
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Speaker 3: there a guy in this year's quarterback class that you

482
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Speaker 3: can say, I see the potential jumping off the page

483
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Speaker 3: if he gets to the right.

484
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Speaker 2: Place, Well, Malik Willis, That's yeah, that's the easy answer.

485
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: I would say Desmond Ritter for this, But Desmond, I

486
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: think is more of a he can go into a

487
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: lot of systems and be okay in I think he

488
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: can mentally handle that. I would saying Milik willis though,

489
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: going to a system and just taking time it. Really

490
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: I could see him kind of like fitting in in

491
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: different like what you want to ask him, Boot game,

492
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: sprint out game, a lot of you know, drop back,

493
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: launched the ball. I don't think quick game would be

494
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: his his his forte ever, but I think Malik willis

495
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: getting into a Shanahan type offense where they let him

496
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Speaker 2: move out of the pocket a whole bunch of times,

497
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Speaker 2: but also having someone he can sit behind where he

498
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be the guy, and so that narrows

499
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: down where he could fit in even more specifically, But

500
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Speaker 2: that would be an idealistic situation for him. From Milik

501
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: willis from liberty because he just needs a little He

502
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: needs time. It's just not even just the offense he's running,

503
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: because it's just burbage. Because going from Hugh Freees offense

504
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: which is very simple, to reading defenses, that's where I

505
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: actually think his biggest growing pains will happen. He can

506
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: figure out everyone, He's smart enough, he can figure out

507
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: the terms and blah blah blah. It's just rope memorization,

508
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 2: but figuring out how the defenses are and what they

509
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: can do, and what they looks are, where the pressure's

510
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: coming from. That's going to take the most time for him.

511
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: So I think being in a system that makes it

512
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Speaker 2: easier on him would be the best.

513
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Speaker 1: I saw an observation Nate from Max Brown of the

514
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Speaker 1: PAC twelve network who pointed out that when he watched

515
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Speaker 1: tape on the leak Willis, he noticed that he padded

516
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: the ball before all of his throws, And you know,

517
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Speaker 1: he went into a little bit of detail as to

518
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Speaker 1: why that's not a good thing and how at this

519
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: stage in his career, maybe that's something you can coach

520
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: out of him. Maybe it isn't, But you know, there's

521
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: such level of detail that goes into these scouting grades.

522
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Speaker 1: I mean, is there any way to quantify how big

523
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Speaker 1: of a project the guy like a Malik Willis is

524
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Speaker 1: versus a guy like I mean, frankly, all of these

525
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are a project on some level, right, But is

526
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Speaker 1: there any way to quantify that in your mind? Like

527
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: who comes with the greatest risk but potentially the greatest reward?

528
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I how I have gone about it, and I've

529
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: stolen this from basketball like a so tim I'm a

530
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: misso Timberwolves fan and they're playing the playing game this week.

531
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Speaker 2: So yeah. Also yeah, but there there there's a blog

532
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: that's be a nation blog for them that's actually pretty

533
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: great called canus hoopis. But in there a guy that

534
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 2: he was just a commentator that ended up now he

535
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: works for the Nuggets. Uh, he would just do star, starter,

536
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 2: bench or bust, and just how to discern these guys.

537
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 2: And ever since I've stolen that when I'm breaking prospects,

538
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: is what's his likelihood of being a star, what's his

539
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: like Gohood being starter, bench or bust, you know, role

540
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: player bust. And that's looking at Willis and just trying

541
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: to give you an answer on this is quantifying that

542
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Speaker 2: is that he has the highest star potential of these guys.

543
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: He has the if we put it twelve percent, you know,

544
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: or eight percent something like that, but he has maybe

545
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: the lower starter potential where it's just like, hey, he's

546
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: just the guy. Or and he also has the highest

547
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: bunch of bus potential as well, because it's just like

548
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: he could just totally flame out and all that. So

549
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: when you're right, when you go with these guys. And

550
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: that's what's so crazy for me is I have a

551
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: same kind of a year grade with Picket as Willis,

552
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: but kind of that middle late second, early third is

553
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: you're kind of like you give a half round inflation

554
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: for a quarterback, So if I have a mid second

555
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: round grade, you take them in the late first Like

556
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: that kind of is how it goes, like a little bit.

557
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: That's why Trevor Lawrence and these guys last year, it's like, no,

558
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: I have a top five grade on them, Well let's

559
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 2: take them number one. That's pretty easy. But like with

560
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: these guys, it's you have that half ground inflation and

561
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 2: now it's now you get into the risk reward game.

562
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: Is how high do you take a guy like Willis?

563
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Speaker 2: Like I would never take them, like at the highest

564
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Speaker 2: I would take him as like the thirties, you know,

565
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: thirties or forties. But teams are sounding starting to take

566
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 2: sound like they take them to the lottery because of that

567
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: percentage of the star. That's what you're you're I think

568
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: the Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes playoff game broke people's brains

569
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: and now everyone's just like we need that, we need

570
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: that and it's like, yes, you do need that, but

571
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: you also need these guys to operate from the pocket

572
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: as well with the creation stuff. You need both now

573
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 2: like you need these guys need to be so superheroes. Now,

574
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous what these quarterbacks can do, this new age

575
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: and these these mid twenties guys. But I don't know

576
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: if this is a long winded answer to say, like

577
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: you you have to take in the risk of where

578
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: you're taking the pick and understand what your situation is.

579
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: But I think everybody has that percentage that that bench,

580
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: that star, that started percent percentage different with each of

581
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: these guys. But that's just how I look at them.

582
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: Well and answer your question.

583
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Speaker 1: No, no, you did.

584
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: You did.

585
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: And I think you're you're sort of pushing up against

586
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: something else that you've been saying that really the consensus

587
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: for this draft that there is no consensus.

588
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, at a lot of.

589
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: Positions, quarterback chief among them. We can talk about des Ritter.

590
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: You're really high on Deserritter. You' ranked him as your

591
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: top quarterback. And you know, this is one of those

592
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 1: things where I think for dumb dums like Dan and

593
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: I who aren't in the weeds we're not looking at

594
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: the video. We see what we see on Saturdays and

595
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: we kind of break it down from our chair here.

596
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: But we see des ridder and we say, Okay, there's

597
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: been an inconsistency in his game. We see desert to

598
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: throw behind guys, particularly games, as you rightfully pointed out,

599
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: you look at the tape and you say, well, in

600
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: some cases he's trying to throw behind him. In other cases,

601
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: maybe he's just jacked up early in the game. Desmond

602
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: Ritter is a guy that we've had her eye on

603
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: for quite some time. Obviously made the playoff this year,

604
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: had a really good season, really good career with Cincinnati.

605
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: What makes him your top quarterback prospect in twenty twenty two.

606
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've kind of called him the comedians comedian, Like

607
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: that's kind of what he's been, I'm telling you, Like

608
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: how you described him a little bit is what I

609
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: went into him as I barely watched him in twenty twenty,

610
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: Like I watched, you know, the game against Georgia, and

611
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: that was kind of like, oh, okay, he's fun. That's

612
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: how I looked at him. He's fun. There's difference between

613
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: good and fun though, and then when I watched him

614
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: in October, I would say October and November for the

615
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: first time on actual tape film all twenty two whatever

616
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 2: you want to call it, the cloud, thunder, exos, whatever,

617
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,479
Speaker 2: whatever term I want to use for it. When I

618
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: watched him Alston, I was like, Oh shit, you actually

619
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: like process and you actually like do all the little

620
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: things that is needed in the NFL. We talk about

621
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: all the creation stuff you need that you need to

622
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: be able to create. Go get a bucket as the

623
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: term I use, but also you need to be able

624
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: to do the stuff in the pocket. And the fact

625
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: that I've seen him create throughout his career, that was

626
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: what I knew him as as an athlete, as a

627
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: guy that can go. I mean like, I was not

628
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: surprised by his forty time because I've seen this guy

629
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: turn on the jets and pull away from everybody, and

630
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, I'm watching him against Indiana.

631
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: The's point protections out and he's moving guys and not

632
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: just like killing a play where they go from run

633
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: to pass play, but actually telling the center, Hey you

634
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: have the point over there. I'm switching the point over here. Hey,

635
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: Jerome Ford running back, you got that guy and then

636
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: snap the ball and deliver a pass. And that's what

637
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: it kind of perked me up. I seeing him do

638
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: that over and over. This is all theory. You talk

639
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: to a lot of these quarterbacks. They got on the

640
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: whiteboard and they can draw it up then go oh,

641
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: I changed the protection and I do all that, and

642
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: as soon as the bullets start flying, they do not

643
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: do that. They just go ready, go snap, I'm throwing

644
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: the ball. Like. But with Ritter, he was so calm

645
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: in this processing, post pre am, post snap that I

646
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: was like, That's what really turned me on to him.

647
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: I know. That's my theory is I's so amped up.

648
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: That's also about why I liked him, though, is that

649
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: he's so competitive and I can tell that he is

650
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: just how he everything, Like when a ball gets badded

651
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: down or he misses a throat, you could see him

652
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: just kind of go like he's not blaming the receiver

653
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: or anything. I've seen the receivers drop balls for him

654
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: and he's mad at himself because he's like, oh, I

655
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,239
Speaker 2: should put it perfect. I was like, okay, that's kind

656
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: of cool. Like and I've seen something with you where

657
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: he's miked up and he's he was running away from

658
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: a teammate and the team was like, oh, I would

659
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: have caught you. And then he's like muttering to himself

660
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: back He's like, no, you wouldn't have No, you want

661
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: to And I was like, okay, this, this psycho robot

662
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: is my guy. Like I like this. So a lot

663
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: of the mentality that he has, the fact that he

664
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: is has improved, much like a Joe Burrow has where

665
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: they just took a huge leap from one year to

666
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: the next, as far as how he works in the pocket,

667
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: how he is processing. Decides like, okay, so you have

668
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: a you want to get better. That's what you have

669
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: as a pro. You are your own coach. You want

670
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: to make yourself better. That's what all the best of

671
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: the best, they just the Dak Prescott's of the world.

672
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: They are psychos. All right, I'm gonna spend this much

673
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: money to like make sure I can do you know,

674
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: the hit movements right and get the footwork right. I

675
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: can already see that kind of wiring with Ritter, and

676
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: so that's why I really liked him. The accuracy stuff

677
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: you brought it up. I do think the early stuff

678
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: is because he's amped up, but also his foot work

679
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: stuffs still little bit inconsistent, so he can, you know,

680
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: overstride and he'll miss high and the ball just zooms.

681
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. His misses are bad, like they

682
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: go ten yards over a guy's head and it's like,

683
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: oh boy, Desman, come on, come on, come on, hone in,

684
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: hone in. We're good. But I do like that he's

685
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: able to attack all three levels of the field. He

686
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: runs true drop back concepts, which is rare at the

687
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: college level to see him that run that well, he's

688
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: sitting deep passes like he's doing a lot of same

689
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: throws that like Stafford was not like to that level

690
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: where he's doing trick shots and stuff. But as far

691
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: as like as he's processing, he's getting to backside reads.

692
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: That stuff is tangible, That stuff translates, and so that's

693
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: why we do the star starter stuff. His star percentage

694
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: might be as high, but a starter percentage is a

695
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: huge chunk, bigger than I think a lot of these

696
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: other guys in this class.

697
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: I want to stick with concepts. And I don't know

698
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: if this is specifically draft related, but because you're watching

699
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: so much, and because you're watching so many varied styles

700
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: and because we know on a certain level, scheme and

701
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: concept sometimes trickles up high school level to college to

702
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: pro whether it's you know, jet motion or RPOs, things

703
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: tend to go in that direction at least sometimes are

704
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: there specific schools? Are there, specific systems? Are there specific concepts?

705
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: Are there specific coaches that do things that you're like, Hey,

706
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: that's a fun and weird thing that this team is doing. Hey,

707
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: it's interesting how they stack the plays on this drive

708
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: to like work off of each other. Or it's interesting

709
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: how they used this sort of h BAC or this

710
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: sort of you know, guy in the slot. Is there

711
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: that team or those or are there those coaches that

712
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: you're like, I don't know, this is kind of like

713
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: a fun little situation brewing here.

714
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the most fun watches from me was

715
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: South Dakota State, Okay, and I believe that OC went

716
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: to Idaho. I think he did or something of that sort.

717
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but that offense was like a fever dream,

718
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: like they had like six different versions of QB sneaks

719
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: and like fake TV snakes. I know it was. I

720
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: had to watch the running back Pierce Straw and I

721
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: was watching that offense. I was like, this is kind

722
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: of fun. Coastal Carolina does a lot of goofy fun stuff. Yeah,

723
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: and that one again, that one's like a fever dream.

724
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use the same the same adage for that

725
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: because that one is like they it's almost like a

726
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: triple option offense, but it's not. It's like it's it's weird.

727
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: They just do everything, but they do like but it

728
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: makes sense. Like their guys are really well coached. That's what.

729
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: They're a very fun unit to watch. I get they're winning,

730
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 2: so obviously that he was, but they do a lot

731
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: of fun stuff. Also Louisiana Lafayette, which is just also

732
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: they just do a lot of sound stuff. I would

733
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: say on the defensive front, what Derek Mason did at

734
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: Aupera and actually like flash some like really uh like

735
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: some cool stuff. He was the defense coordinator left right, Yeah,

736
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: and that was kind of and that's just me as

737
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: like watching I was watching offensive guys, but I would

738
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: watch them go against aubres defense and I realized that

739
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: their defense was up and down, so I maybe caught

740
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: three good games of it. But he was doing some

741
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: sweet stuff on defense and just more again this is

742
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: more just soundness and and and there's a couple of

743
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: plays that have been stolen already, So I wish I

744
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: could be like, oh, yeah, we're gonna steal I could

745
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: see this one coming into the NFL. I would say

746
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that might be matriculating to the

747
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: NFL is some of the motion stuff with RPOs where

748
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 2: people just more grab back stuff that they can pull

749
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: from in the NFL level where they just maybe have

750
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: a guy in motion and reading the flat there. Cincinnati

751
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: doesn't play. I've seen the Texans run this when when

752
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson and Bill O'Brien were there. I don't even

753
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: if I could say Deshaun Watson's name, but they run this.

754
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 2: They run this just this RPO where it's it's zone read,

755
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: but then the tight end is what in a run sense,

756
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: it's called split zone where they kick out the backside

757
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: d N but they don't block him and he just

758
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: runs to the flat. And it's such a simple play.

759
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: So basically you're creating as a naked bootleg as well

760
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 2: with the zone read all in one play. And I'm

761
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 2: shocked teams haven't stolen this because at the end of

762
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: NFL you can do this because the offensive line can't

763
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: get downfield on this one. So I've only seen one

764
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: NFL team really run it. I've seen the Chiefs run

765
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: it maybe once. But I'm wait for teams to run

766
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: that more because that thing is stealing. Like the Cincinnati

767
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 2: ran that like twelve times a game. It was awesome.

768
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: It was just like run his zone, drone forward going

769
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: for fifteen yards, or we're just gonna throw it to

770
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: the tight end in the flat for an eight yard since. Yeah,

771
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: it was like the easiest play. But wait for that

772
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: one to get maybe proliferate more throughout the league.

773
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: Did you have any at least to your eyes, accidental

774
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: discoveries along the way as you were watching player, a quarterback,

775
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 3: a and You're like, who is this receiver or who

776
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: is this right tackle? Who is just smothering dudes? Like

777
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: I guess it's the old Aaron Rodgers story, right. Jeff

778
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: Tedford went to the JC to look at a tight

779
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: end and he was.

780
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: Like, who is this quarterback in there?

781
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: Who is? Yeah? Do have any like surprise pops really

782
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: either side of the ball? You know, if the safety

783
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: pops or a right tackle or a receiver, who are you?

784
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: Who are your surprise, pops, and they don't even have

785
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: to be in this year's draft class. But don't jumped

786
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 3: out to you.

787
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: Oh easily, it's Will Levis or Leavis. I'm not making

788
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: sure it was safe.

789
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: I have a question about Will left Levis curiosity.

790
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: I went down to Will Levis question continue.

791
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, yeah, no, no, it's uh. I'm excited to

792
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: talk about him, and I kind of dropped drop hints

793
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: on him. Yeah, I was stunned. I was watching Wendelle

794
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: Robinson the receiver, and I liked him. I compared him

795
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: to Cole Beasley, which I was pretty proud of. So

796
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: watching him and all of a sudden, I'm seeing this

797
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: quarterback and it was it was the Georgia game. It

798
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: was the first my first exposure to him and ball

799
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: just popping out of his hand and I was like, okay,

800
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: that's pretty interesting. You throw it kind of funky because

801
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: he like he does everything really quick, like it's just

802
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: like its just the ball just comes out. And I

803
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: was really surprising me. But he was big, he was

804
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: scrambled around, he was running over guys. I was stunned

805
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: how much I liked him. I watched a couple other games.

806
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 2: Iguinst Iowa. I think it the Bowl game, I think

807
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: another game in between there, and I was like, okay,

808
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: like there's something to this guy. It's one of those

809
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 2: where I'm like, I'm gonna keep a tab on you

810
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: see how you grow this next year. But he was

811
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: one that shocked me. I actually was like, are you

812
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: draft eligible? What's what's double check? Make sure? But he's

813
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: coming back for another year. So but yeah, that one

814
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 2: was out of nowhere. I couldn't believe how much I

815
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: liked him.

816
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I so I'm a pen stater. I don't have

817
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: your f oh.

818
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, I don't have a free person always just

819
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: does this. I want to have this.

820
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: I'm a pen stater. I'm familiar with Will's early discography,

821
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: and needless to say, it was a little underwhelming. Part

822
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: of that could have been the system he was in.

823
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: Obviously a lot better under Liam Cohen and Kentucky, and

824
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: plenty of room to grow this year. But I will admit, Nate,

825
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: when I saw you had some first round steam on

826
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: him on your Twitter, I was like, Ooh, I need

827
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: to make sure I'm fastened to this chair right now.

828
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: I did not see that coming.

829
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: This and this is where I'm telling you, I get

830
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: this exposure to guys like this is the same thing

831
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: with happening me with Ritter. I was like, I, I've

832
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: never heard of this guy, Like I watched him play

833
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: once and then, so it's kind of fun. So some

834
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: of that, like like you said the early discography, like

835
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: I didn't, I don't. I didn't. I didn't hear that.

836
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: Album Ate Baggage though.

837
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: No, I just heard the mixtape and I was like, hey,

838
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: he was featured on this song and it was pretty good.

839
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: Like I liked him on that feature, So maybe I'm

840
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: gonna check out his his whole album. And that's that's

841
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: and I could see him like even if you look

842
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 2: at his stats, he's like I think, like twenty four touchdowns,

843
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 2: he still had twelve picks and you can still see

844
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: some dummy in them. So that's why he's not perfect.

845
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: But it was like, that's it's the flashes of him.

846
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: So I but every Penn State person I've talked to

847
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: has just gone, man, he he was like Taysom Hill

848
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: when we had him, Like he was just some run

849
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: he was just some run around gadget guy. And so

850
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: that's that's what's interesting. That he's I've heard that he's

851
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: worked with a coach just like Ritter has, where he's

852
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: really like a private coach where he's really worked on

853
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: his all of his pocket stuff. So maybe some of

854
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 2: that stuff's coming to fruition with him. He might drop

855
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: off the face of the ear who knows it doesn't

856
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: stuff so hard, But you.

857
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: Know you bring that up, right, so you know, I'm

858
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: sure you've gotten the commentary from Penn State people. And

859
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: if we expanded out not just Will Levis, but like

860
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: draft time, when you're evaluating talent, it's got to be

861
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: a massive exercise in avoiding group think because, especially now

862
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: in the media world, everybody's trying to get clicks. You

863
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: know this now, right like everybody's trying to get clicks.

864
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: Everyone's trying to have the hot take that makes their

865
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: stuff pop, makes their star rise a little bit. For

866
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: lack of better terms, like, how do you avoid those

867
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: pitfalls and sort of come to your own conclusion when

868
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: there is so much out there I saw today, I

869
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: mean I looked at a couple different mock drafts even

870
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: before this interview. There really is no consensus. People think

871
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson's the number one pick. But there's like fifteen

872
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: other opinions out there. How difficult is it? Give voice

873
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: to how difficult it might be to kind of formulate

874
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: your own opinion in this time where there are so

875
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: many to go around.

876
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: No, And that's a great point to make, or a

877
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: great question run is just do the work and come

878
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: to your own come to your own conclusions, like yes,

879
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 2: and I'll be a liar if I said I don't.

880
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: If I ignore the noise and I don't look at

881
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: what other people are saying that, I'm not going to

882
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 2: sit here and lie to you and say I don't.

883
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: I say, for me, is you kind of go okay,

884
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: this is where these guys are kind of in the

885
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 2: area that they're in. Okay, people are kind of talking

886
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: about this guy as the first rounder. But for me,

887
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: how I just go about it is yeah, just doing

888
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: the work and that kind of leads to its own

889
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: conclusions and that this is just for me and just

890
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: like having my own statement on something. That's why I

891
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: think I was I was really early my love for

892
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: Desmond Ridder was I just wanted to be like, hey,

893
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: this is funny that I say I'm going to I'll

894
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: admit to trying to form that internet dopamine as well,

895
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: is going like, hey, this is my guy that I'm

896
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: playing my flag on, Desmond Ridder because I wanted to

897
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 2: just go I'm not a Johnny come Lately. I'm watching

898
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: him and this is what I think after watching all

899
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: these top guys. And so there's a little bit that

900
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: where you have to do that to stand out. Otherwise

901
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: people just go, oh, you just you're you're just crowdsourcing.

902
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: You know, You're you're just taking what everybody else.

903
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: No situation for you.

904
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: It really is, it really is. And but that's for

905
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: me is just trying to do the work and watch

906
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: actually watching these guys and taking the notes and just

907
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: going like this is what how I feel like I

908
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna have their own personal biases, you know, with

909
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: with these guys and going like, I have a certain

910
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: like a receiver. I love big ball winners like I

911
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 2: just do. I I like size at my at the

912
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: receiver position, actually really every position. That's just what I

913
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: have liked. That's a In the NFL, a lot of

914
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: stuff becomes durability question marks. Like that's why people always go, wow,

915
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: why did this guy making the NFL? Well he's probably

916
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 2: five nine one eight, Like you know that that doesn't

917
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: hold off in the NFL once you're a freak. But

918
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: that's where I I that's why I'm gonna have my

919
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: own personal biases. But I'm always going to just go like, well,

920
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: you know, the stat people really like this guy. All Right,

921
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take him. I'm gonna give him a second look.

922
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: Oh this guy ran a four three eight at the combine.

923
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: Well you know I have a second round grade on him.

924
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: All right, I'll take a second look. So that's really

925
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: it's just we're all going to have our own processes

926
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: for it. But that's just mine doing the work. He's

927
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: just taken all the data points. But also real quick

928
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: is that you're saying there's no consensus. I actually think

929
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: that's what makes it so fun for this draft class.

930
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it's going like, all right, what do

931
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: you see? Like what everybody's it's eye of the beholder always.

932
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: But now as opposed to like last year we had

933
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: so many blue chip, true blue chip guys, this year

934
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: it's more going like a right, who's seeing the right

935
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: things or is making the best educated guesses?

936
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: You mentioned your own kind of bias towards size in

937
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: the NFL, I want to talk about some of the

938
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: other skill positions if they could quickly before we.

939
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: Let you go.

940
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: But especially on the receiver side. I heard a recent

941
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: show you did with Robert and you talk about Drake

942
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: London as your top receiver and you like him because

943
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: he's got the size. He won what was it, nineteen

944
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty balls, some ridiculous percentage, right, He's clearly

945
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: a freak. On the flip side, you've got a guy

946
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: like a Chris a Lave who is smaller but seems

947
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: to be a really gifted root runner, could find his

948
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: place in the NFL because of that. I'm curious to

949
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: get more of a breakdown of that wide receiver possition

950
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: because you know, when it comes to draft day, it

951
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: is a position that is much talked about. We see

952
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: these guys out there on game day every Saturday. How

953
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: that game translates to the NFL, at least for me

954
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: personally as a college football fan, I've always had a

955
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: really hard time figuring out who's gonna pop at the

956
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: next level and who isn't. How do you kind of

957
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: do that calculus from your side?

958
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of it is. This is where

959
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: tape because receivers is some of these guys get six

960
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: targets in a game, and if you only watch those

961
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 2: six targets, you're missing out on sixty other plays where

962
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: you can get something from these guys where they're just

963
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: running a route but not getting to target. And you

964
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: can see them working against press or working a route

965
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: that they haven't gotten the ball on, but you can

966
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: see them running that type of route of the route tree.

967
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: So that's where you know, watching these guys really comes

968
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: up also seeing their effort and blocking. And I know

969
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: that sounds like, Oh, I think I've won some people

970
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: over on it on our show because they thought it

971
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: was just like oh coaching, Like, ah, you're just an

972
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: old coach. I talks about it matters. It really matters

973
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: because if you want to be in three wide receivers

974
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: and run the ball, those receivers have to block, like

975
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 2: if you're taking off tight ends and fullbacks like that's

976
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: what they have to do. It's just part of the

977
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: position now. And so watch that's where some of the

978
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: size stuff comes in and more of just toughness. And

979
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: that's what's so funny is that I'll start with him

980
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: is Chris olave Is. He's not usually the guys I like,

981
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: I like. I love his route running. He is advanced,

982
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: as one of the most advanced route runners I've ever

983
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: seen come out of the college level. On top of that,

984
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: he has speed, legit speed that he uses. It's not

985
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: just a theory thing where it's like, oh, you ran

986
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: a four to three eight, I thought you're gonna be

987
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: a four or five guy. It's actually he uses that

988
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: speed to his advantage. I like his ball scales, his

989
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: his My negatives with him is he is smaller as

990
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 2: far as play strength. He's not a good blocker. He

991
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: can get pushed around more physical guys, but how he

992
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: can overcome it because he's so skilled. So that's why

993
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: I'm okay with him as opposed to usual with the

994
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: smaller guys or skinnier guys, I should say, because it's

995
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: not smallly six foot U. There's just skinny. He's just skinny,

996
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: and that always matters with durability stuff. But then Drake

997
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: london Is, I went in that's what I thought. I

998
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 2: thought it was just gonna be some big dude, almost

999
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: like one of the Clemson guys that's come through the years.

1000
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: Mike Williams the t Higgins of the world. He's just big, big,

1001
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: almost stiff, but just like snatch everything. And why I

1002
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: loved London so much was he was sinking on routes.

1003
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: He was you could see the athleticism. Even if his

1004
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: long speed's not there, his one through ten speed was

1005
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: actually pretty good. And also being able to like like

1006
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: actually like run a full rout tree even if that

1007
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: was an a it's a true air raid offense that

1008
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: they ran. And oh my god, so many screens. I

1009
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: couldn't believe how many.

1010
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Hey, you have Drake London and you're

1011
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 3: throwing him short balls all the time.

1012
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 2: All over and over. And also the quarterback was late

1013
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: all the time, and that's where some of the separation

1014
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: like arguments came from. Well we can't separate. It's like, no,

1015
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: he separated. The quarterback was three seconds late, so he

1016
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: had to play in his foot and go up and

1017
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: get it. Against Oregon State, I watched him and he

1018
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: had he legitimately drew five penalties in that game or more.

1019
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: That's just off the top of my head I can remember.

1020
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: So it's like he's dominating like he is dominating as

1021
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: much as you can see a receiver dominate at the

1022
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: college level. And the versatility that he brings. He can

1023
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: work from the slot, he can block like they have

1024
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: him running like tight end blocking stuff. So it's like,

1025
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: this guy, no matter what I think, it could just

1026
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: be useful, like and if the upside, he still has upside.

1027
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: Though he's super young, he's just become like finally becoming

1028
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: a full time football player for the first time in

1029
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: his life. I just like, I just like the package

1030
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: of him, size, ball skills, route running, just all the

1031
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: like polishes already shown. And he's so young at such

1032
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: a young age. So that's why I really really like him.

1033
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: There's and there's a couple other guys, like bigger guys

1034
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: that I always gravitude towards, Like I'm high on Justin

1035
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: Ross from Clenson. Sure, really it's And what's funny is

1036
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: I remember as a freshman, but really my grade off

1037
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: of him, I have early second grade on him, and

1038
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: medicals are going to be a train wreck for him.

1039
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: But is this past year I was watching him and

1040
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: I was like, this guy's a stud. It's just that

1041
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: the quarterback was hitting the stands on the throws. So

1042
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: this poor guy's bringing guys off on routes and then

1043
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: seeing the ball like go over his head. He looks like,

1044
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: you know, like a pitcher that gives up a home

1045
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: run and the ball and they just look at the

1046
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: ball go over. That's that was justin ross running routes

1047
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: and then but what I liked about him was that

1048
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: he would he would still compete as a blocker. He

1049
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: was still into the game even though the targets weren't coming,

1050
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 2: the stats weren't coming, So that really maybe I was like, okay,

1051
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: you're you get it, like you want to compete, and

1052
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: receivers can be come and go with their competition levels.

1053
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: So that's those are always positives that you want to see,

1054
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 2: you know, and then you want to just talk about

1055
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: the rest of the first round guys, I have go

1056
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: for it. Yeah, but my number three is Jameson Williams,

1057
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 2: and I think everybody's watched college football or now knows

1058
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: about the draft knows what his game is. Speed, speed, speed.

1059
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: But what I liked about him is he was more

1060
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: of a real receiver than I thought he would be.

1061
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: He actually knows how to run routes and actually knows

1062
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: how to tempo his stuff a bit of a body catcher,

1063
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: which I didn't like, but I I still like him

1064
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: as like he's useful, like no matter which team he

1065
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 2: goes to, they're gonna you always have a use for speed.

1066
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: And then next I really like Johan Dotson. I'm from

1067
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: Penn State. I know that that preaching to acquire probably here,

1068
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: but I think he's just a ballplayer. I think he

1069
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 2: played with bad quarterback play, or if he quarterback play

1070
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: and he is, I think he's just a hell of

1071
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: a football player, plays big. I compared him to Tyler

1072
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: Lockett and then Traylon Burks from Arkansas, which is one

1073
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: of the weirdest studies I've ever had for the receiver position,

1074
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: just how they use him. I think he's a big

1075
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: boomer bust candidate. But if he gets to the right

1076
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: system that guides him along, I think he still has

1077
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: to learn how to play football. I don't think his

1078
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: understanding of the playbooks all the way there. That's why

1079
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: they motioned them so many times. They have to tag

1080
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: them and tell him, hey, Traylon moved to the right,

1081
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: run this route. So I do think there's part of that.

1082
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: So his learning curves can be a little steeper, but

1083
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: if he hits, he'll he'll hit pretty well because he's

1084
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: just so has so many cool traits. And the last

1085
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: one's Garrett Wilson from Ohio State, which I'm a little

1086
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: I have some concerns with his route running, how he

1087
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: plays against press, but when you just get the ball

1088
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: in his hands and it's just like, go do stuff

1089
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: because he's so dynamic. I couldpare it him to Brandon

1090
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: Ayuk from who's with the forty nine ers now, where

1091
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: it's it's a little bit more boom busty, but it's like,

1092
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: just get the ball in his hands and let him

1093
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: go make plays.

1094
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: Who is the highest star potential guy on your board,

1095
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: either any position, any side of the ball, whatever you mentioned.

1096
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: Malik Willis has the highest star potential of any of

1097
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks. But just in terms of like, look, you're

1098
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: in Vegas. If you're betting ten thousand of your own

1099
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: American dollars that this person will be a pro bowler,

1100
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 3: who is that person?

1101
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: Drake London? I do I think that if he I'm

1102
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: not as concerned about as long speed. I know he

1103
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: hasn't run and he keeps putting off his pro day.

1104
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 2: But I'm not as concerned as other people are because

1105
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: he just win. Like it's just a useful NFL player,

1106
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: NFL receiver, and I think that if he does take

1107
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 2: a next step that it's like, oh, who's going to

1108
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: guard him? Like it's I've seen, I've seen now for

1109
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 2: seven years. No one could guard Mike Evans once unless

1110
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: you just double team on basically every play. I don't.

1111
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 2: I think he's not as big or as truly as

1112
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 2: explosive as Mike Evans is, but I think he's more skilled.

1113
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a fun match. I know

1114
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm super high on them. I feel right crazy. I

1115
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: go crazy on him, but then I just watch. Every

1116
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: time I rewatch them, I'm like, yeah, I double down

1117
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: on that. But I do think he has some of

1118
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: the most star potential, especially of this crops. It's a

1119
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: good cropper receivers, it really is.

1120
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: It must be by the way, it must be maddening,

1121
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 3: and you know, it's it's easy to dig on where

1122
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 3: USC has been these past couple of years. To look

1123
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: at players. You're like, he's definitely getting the ball, like

1124
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: he's to everybody knows he's getting the ball or everybody

1125
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 3: knows this running back is getting the ball, everybody knows

1126
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 3: where this this team has to go because there's so

1127
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: little talent or organization, and yet the guy still succeeds.

1128
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 3: And there are examples of that up and down. The

1129
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: NFL guys who were taking the lower rounds were just

1130
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: like they somehow always got open. They somehow and so

1131
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: it's got to be infuriating to you to to have

1132
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: to watch these bad football teams with these like lone

1133
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 3: shining stuff who are not maximizing their winning potential.

1134
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: It's rough. It's rough when you I've realized every time

1135
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: I do this, I'm like, oh, I've been spoiled with

1136
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: NFL play. You're just like even the quote unquote bad

1137
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: NFL teams, it's like you still watch them. You're like

1138
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: they're still doing cool stuff or this player is fricking awesome. Like,

1139
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: but yeah, you watch these college games and it's I've

1140
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: gotten spoiled. Not we just play, but just quarterback play.

1141
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 2: Because USC was one of them. I'm watching these guys

1142
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: take forever to get rid of the ball, and I'm like,

1143
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: the throws there, just throw it, just please, for the

1144
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: love of God, just hit them and or watching Clemson

1145
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: and seeing like I was like, man, this guy is

1146
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: taking the long wind up and the balls over. That's yeah,

1147
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: that's h yeah. After receiver positions where that crops up

1148
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: the most, because you'll go fifty snaps where they don't

1149
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: even get a target, and so you get a little

1150
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: bit bit bored watching them.

1151
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: On the flip side, though, I mean, and we'll let

1152
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: you out of here in a couple of minutes, but

1153
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: you've been terrific, so I'm just going to keep you

1154
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 3: as long as we possibly can. On the flip side,

1155
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 3: you'll watch teams who are so deep and so talented

1156
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: and so much more talented than the competition. And you

1157
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: mentioned this a little bit with Tua, like he has

1158
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 3: to run the RPO stuff. But on a certain level,

1159
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 3: whether it's Alabama or Ohio State or what Clemson was

1160
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: or some of the better teams in the country, are

1161
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 3: you like, yeah, but it's a little bit easier for

1162
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 3: them because this guy's the number three receiver and numbers

1163
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: one and two are getting so much attention. So he's drawing,

1164
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: you know, a worse corner or a worse nickel or whatever,

1165
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 3: or this offensive lineman is drawing you know or is

1166
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: surrounded by other crazy talented guys. So this defensive lineman

1167
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 3: is playing with another guy who's getting double teams all

1168
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 3: the time. Like, how is it difficult to sift through

1169
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 3: a more advantaged player.

1170
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, yeah, yes, and no, it's especially for quarterbacks.

1171
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 2: It's the offensive line. Yeah, and what they have to

1172
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: deal with, Like that was that speaks to Ritter a

1173
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: little bit more? Was no one really brought up the

1174
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: Cincinnati offensive line. They were not good, right, they were

1175
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: like below I would say average. I'll put them at average,

1176
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: but they they watching them and that's like it speaks

1177
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: more to Ritter. But then you watch another guy I'm

1178
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: trying to think of, like one of the past, maybe

1179
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: Mac Jones last year. I was just bring him up,

1180
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: but like just sitting there and they just get to

1181
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 2: hang out. And just or Russell Wilson when I played

1182
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 2: with him at Wisconsin where it's just he just hung

1183
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: out in the pocket. It was just like one, you know,

1184
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: one Mississippy two Mississippi kind of like all right, I'm

1185
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: gonna go scramble, just go make something happen. So you

1186
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: always have to take that into account. You also get

1187
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: kind of a good litmus test kind of going like seeing,

1188
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: especially like running back, this will happen a lot. Okay,

1189
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: this running back goes, he gets three carries. Okay, it

1190
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: looks okay. How does his backup look getting behind the

1191
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 2: same offensive line, same play, same situation. That was That's

1192
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: the position I think more than others, you can really

1193
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 2: get a tell for a situation and based on how

1194
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: their backup does. Like That's one of the reasons I

1195
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: was kind of lower on Isaiah Spiller a textas a

1196
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: and m I'd watch his backup go in and get

1197
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: break off and explosive play, and then he goes and

1198
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 2: he gets fars and I was like, man, this one

1199
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: was actually blocked better, Like you got to you got to,

1200
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 2: you know, make something happen with it. So I would

1201
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: say that position, more than others, you can really see stuff.

1202
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 2: I would say, quarterback, Yeah, you have to take that

1203
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: into account. This is like I was watch Ritter and

1204
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: this is again I'm mister optimist on him, but you

1205
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: watch him unless he's thrown to Alec Pierce, who I

1206
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 2: also like the receiver or the tight end Wiley. Everybody

1207
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: else was dropping the ball every like every other time.

1208
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: It would him right the chest and drop it. So

1209
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: you take that into the count You're like, well, I'm

1210
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: going to watch the process at this guy. Yeah, don't

1211
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: look at the result, look at the process leading up

1212
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: to that. Especially all these guys, it's process, process, process,

1213
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: and then it leads to good results. If you're on

1214
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: a good team, the good results happen all the time.

1215
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 2: If you're on a bad team, it's like, wow, that

1216
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: process was good. Another drop, All that process was good.

1217
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 2: Left guard got beat. You know, you know that those

1218
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: things start adding up. I think that's a big difference.

1219
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: Is the good teams get the results more, which makes

1220
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: sense with all the wins.

1221
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: Yes, Nate, I know we've asked you about, you know,

1222
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: some very specific draft things here, but who are just

1223
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: some other names guys that you came across, Maybe not

1224
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: the accidental discovery is Dan description earlier, but just guys

1225
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: that you like, Guys that you enjoyed watching on tape,

1226
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: who you were rooting for on draft day.

1227
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Khalil Shakir from Boise State is probably one of

1228
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: my favorite watches of any position. I have a high

1229
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 2: second round grade on him. I'm shocked, like I'm waiting

1230
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: for people to catch people like him, but I thought

1231
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: kind of maybe he ran pretty well at the combine.

1232
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: I thought maybe he'd get another little bump. But I

1233
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: love him. I think he's a returner. I think he's

1234
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: gonna be a very useful and early in his career.

1235
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: Number two can play slot and play outside. Good route runner,

1236
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: he's just got short arms, but good returner, like just

1237
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: a ballplayer. I really like him. Other guys like Sky Moore.

1238
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 2: I'm not the first person to say that they like him.

1239
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: I've already brought up I've already brought up Justin Ross,

1240
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 2: who I'm super high on that. You know, the injury

1241
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: concerns is what's gonna what's gonna make him drop a

1242
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: little bit? That's our receiver. I would sy tight end

1243
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: Greg Dolcic from u c l A. Yeah, I really.

1244
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: He's been a late rise. He was a declare. That's

1245
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: where we're talking about, Oh wow, this guy's eligible, had

1246
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 2: no idea and they need declare And I was like,

1247
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: oh God, I gotta watch him real quick. And I

1248
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 2: was like, oh man, he's pretty damn good. Runs like

1249
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: a deer like he is. I compared him actually to

1250
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: Jared Cook, which is like so funny because he's really

1251
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 2: high cut, really long legged, so it kind of actually

1252
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: hurts him blocking because he can't get low and this

1253
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: is a detailed like this is just ran this as

1254
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 2: I is. But then but he can run and take

1255
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 2: like a true vertical threat or at the tight end position.

1256
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: I really like him. Kate Otten from Washington, good blocking

1257
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: tight end, kind of does everything well. Really like him.

1258
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 2: Another Derek D's from San Jose State. He's like a

1259
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 2: Day three guy, but I really like him as well.

1260
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: He didn't run or anything, so I'm a little I

1261
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: always hate that. Like I went to the Shrine game,

1262
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: I was waiting for him. I was like, this is

1263
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: kind of my baby, like my little dark horse. And

1264
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: then he didn't He got he got he like got

1265
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: an ankle, rolled, rolled an ankle, sprained ankle, like individual

1266
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: first first practice and he didn't practice. I like dropped

1267
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: him around because I was so frustrated with them. But

1268
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 2: I would give him a chance. I would say, even

1269
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: if we're going running backs. I really like Rashad White

1270
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: of Arizona's statement, that's kind of like my little he

1271
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: was their offense dude. He is I like I was

1272
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: because I saw Richard senior with him and I was like, Okay,

1273
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: that's running back. You don't really want to see that.

1274
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: And then you watch him and he is talented. He

1275
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: is such a fun player. Tyler al Jeer, I like him.

1276
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: For BYU compared him with James Connor type. I like

1277
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: Jerome Ford from Cincinnati. Those guys, I really like all

1278
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: of them. I got one other guy and it's like

1279
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: it's on the tip of my tongue and now I

1280
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: can't think of his name. But anyways, those guys are

1281
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: oh ty Chandler from North Carolina. I like him as

1282
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: a Day three guy, a little long legged, but I

1283
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: think he's usfual. I think someone's going to gonna like

1284
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: him a little bit. But yeah, I really like this

1285
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: running back class. There's a lot of like round three,

1286
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: round four types that a couple of them are going

1287
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: to hit for somebody.

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00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 3: Final question. You're in Vegas. You've talked about preferring size

1289
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 3: from your NFL draft prospects. My co host Tye does

1290
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 3: is a five tool player. But if there's something that

1291
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: Tie does not bring to the table, it is elite size.

1292
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: About five to nine? What buck sixty, buck fifty five?

1293
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: Where are you at right now.

1294
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not starting in the league.

1295
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 3: You're not starting in the league. But my question to you,

1296
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: as somebody who prefers and has been around size, you're

1297
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: in Vegas. If TIE is in Vegas and you can't

1298
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 3: answer buffet or anything like that. We're building quality mass

1299
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 3: on Tie via a series of meals. What is your

1300
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 3: itinerary for TIE building quality mass in restaurants in Las Vegas.

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00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: I would start with lunch at Good Pie, which is

1302
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,479
Speaker 2: a great call. Yeah, pizza joint in downtown Vegas, which

1303
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 2: is it's area called It's on Main Streets the Arts District,

1304
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: which is which is basically they threw a bunch of

1305
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: hipsters at it and it became a spot and it's great.

1306
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: It's great though, by the Yeah Good Pie. I would

1307
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: start with lunch there, dinner it would be all, my god, dinner.

1308
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: You go a million places. I like Al Mafi at

1309
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: freaking at Caesar's, trying to run my brain here. That's

1310
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: my my terranean style. There's a place out here in

1311
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: the suburbs in Summerlin called Harlow's, which is a steakhouse

1312
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: at I adore I look, it's by Rob mary Neelli,

1313
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: the former coaches his daughter. She's she's a chef, she's awesome,

1314
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: But Harlow's out here. I would also go to Italy,

1315
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: which is a multiple places. There's one work, there's other,

1316
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: but there's a sandwich there. I would also get, so

1317
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,479
Speaker 2: if you're going in between lunch and dinner, I would

1318
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 2: get a sandwich there. There's a it's like a it's

1319
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: super simple. It's just a really good bread. They put

1320
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: all of oil, salt, pepper, and just like a little

1321
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: wolf some meat on there.

1322
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 3: I think I had.

1323
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so freaking good. And I'm trying to think

1324
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: of other dinner places. I kind of like I'm kind

1325
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: of a grab back because there's like seven places I

1326
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: like buy them all the same rating. So really dinner

1327
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: you can kind of what you choose where you want

1328
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: to bulk up there.

1329
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 3: Have you done? Have you done Carbone?

1330
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, I did it last week actually with my parents. Yeah,

1331
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: that's a good spot. That's actually really good.

1332
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's a it's like elevated red sauce Italian

1333
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,439
Speaker 3: tie and you're gonna do real well, Like you can

1334
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 3: stuff yourself with the bread that they they'll bring you

1335
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: like a basket. The size of your torso of bread

1336
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 3: with soapro soada and parmesan cheese.

1337
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: And but what about the vodka sauce, Dan, You know

1338
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: that's mine. So that's that's their strength. Tie they have

1339
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: like the rigatoni and spicy vodka sauce. That's all right,

1340
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: it's we're coming out to Vegas. Yeah, coming out.

1341
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 3: We got to do this, Dan, Yeah done.

1342
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: I think I think it'll be the first tourists ever

1343
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: to come to Vegas. I don't know, but I guess

1344
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: you would. Yeah.

1345
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 3: Fair enough.

1346
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,479
Speaker 1: Of The Athletic The Athletic Football Show. We appreciate your time,

1347
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: We appreciate you making us a little bit smarter. Hope

1348
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: you get some sleep over the next couple of weeks.

1349
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: I know, I know it can be kind of crazy

1350
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: leading up to the draft and in the immediate aftermath.

1351
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: But thank you so much for hopping on with us here.

1352
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, guys.

1353
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: This is a lot of fun, all right. There you go, Yeah,

1354
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: Tice the Athletic Go check him out on The Athletic

1355
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: Football Show. He and Robert May is doing an awesome

1356
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: job breaking down all things NFL right now. Of course,

1357
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: the big topic is the upcoming NFL draft, Daniel.

1358
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited to watch. My very specific watch plan

1359
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 3: is the same thing every year. It's Thursday night. I say,

1360
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 3: oh man, here's the NFL Draft. I watch the first

1361
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 3: seventeen picks. I go to bed, and then I wake

1362
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 3: up the next morning and I say, WHOA, Okay, interesting.

1363
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 3: And then I watched the first three picks of the

1364
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 3: second round, and then I go do something else, and

1365
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 3: I just keep checking my phone and I say whoa.

1366
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 3: And I just keep doing that, and then I'll tune

1367
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 3: back in and I'm always I always like seeing the

1368
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 3: like the swap in and out of analysts on the

1369
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 3: ESPN or NFL network set or whatever, and then them

1370
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 3: start to get loopy deep into the draft where they

1371
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 3: have to go to the back through. They're hungry, they're thirsty,

1372
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 3: they're glassy eyed, they haven't slept in seventeen days. I

1373
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 3: always like the wild card element of that. So I'm

1374
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 3: in for all sorts of different amounts of fun with

1375
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 3: the draft. I love it.

1376
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: My best draft memory was back in twenty thirteen. I

1377
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: can't tell you who was picked, but that was the

1378
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: year I had my reconstructive shoulder surgery. Okay, and you

1379
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: just I mean, you can't do anything. I watched all

1380
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: of the Wire and all of the NFL Draft in

1381
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: the span of like two weeks.

1382
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 3: Weird combo.

1383
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. They do get loopy after a while

1384
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,479
Speaker 1: because it's all filler. And you know from doing this show,

1385
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: we do what an hour hour and fifteen minute show

1386
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: here a couple times a week. Even within the span

1387
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: of this show. We try to limit the amount of

1388
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: filler that we have, but it happens. It's inevitable. Those guys,

1389
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: those guys have to deal with it. I can't imagine

1390
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: what it's like to try and host that coverage, what

1391
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: it's like to try and provide a different slant when

1392
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: you're on day talking about guys. No one's ever heard

1393
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: of doing interviews trying to move the coverage seven hours

1394
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: day here, it's it. I'm equally as impressed by the

1395
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: level of analysis as I am by just the production

1396
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of keeping the thing afloat.

1397
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 3: Have you ever watched it from the other side, where

1398
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 3: like the Cults or the Bengals or the Cowboys, you

1399
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 3: get to see the behind the scenes show. Whether it's

1400
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a hard Knocks in season now, there's

1401
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 3: all sorts of behind the are some teams just film

1402
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 3: it themselves. And of course it's the very serious.

1403
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: War room, right, it's the draft war room.

1404
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 3: They're like they're doing something extremely internationally important. And there's

1405
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 3: thirty seven people in a room and they're all pumping

1406
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 3: their fists because they got their like number seven linebacker

1407
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 3: in the fourth round. And I know this is their lives.

1408
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 3: I know this is their jobs. I know all of

1409
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 3: the seriousness that goes with like making the correct or

1410
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 3: indirect indirect decision. But the seriousness with which those shows

1411
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 3: are edited and the compounds, the facilities are laid out,

1412
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 3: and the giant whiteboards and the moving pieces, it does

1413
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 3: make me giggle.

1414
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: Tie.

1415
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: It makes me giggle that it's.

1416
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 3: This industry and this war room and like the phone

1417
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 3: calls all right, let's do it. Yeah, it's great. It's

1418
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 3: I love the theater of it all. And I don't

1419
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 3: know how if you're a football fan you can't appreciate

1420
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 3: how lovingly ridiculous it can all seem. Well, and on

1421
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 3: top of it, the drafts in Vegas. Yep, the drafts

1422
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 3: in Vegas. It was supposed to be in Vegas.

1423
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: I think a couple of years ago, right, and yeah

1424
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: when virtual Yeah, so I'm I'm curious to see the

1425
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: pomp and circumstance, particularly as it relates to the first round,

1426
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: because I have heard varying accounts of what that will

1427
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: look like from a TV standpoint, and I'm excited for it.

1428
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 3: Wait, do you have a song pick, like the song

1429
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 3: of the year, the commercial bumper where it was like,

1430
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 3: oh no, that's all Like, remember we called that like

1431
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen or twenty thirteen or whatever year it

1432
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 3: was we got it that one year. Yeah, well it's

1433
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 3: there because you pay attention. I douse.

1434
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: I need to think a little bit more about this.

1435
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: Maybe it's something we could talk about on Thursday.

1436
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:17,439
Speaker 3: I'm going to have much more time.

1437
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna come armed with a list of five songs.

1438
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: I'm not going to look it up.

1439
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: I think they may actually publicize it. I won't look

1440
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: it up. Okay, that that spoils the fun.

1441
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that.

1442
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: I will try to. I will comb through the top

1443
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: forty list and see what pop songs I can come

1444
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: up with that seemed like they would work. I have

1445
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: a few off the top of my head, but I

1446
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: need to. I need to actually put some research into

1447
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: this one.

1448
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 3: Are you a Vegas person, by the way, I'm a

1449
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 3: Vegas person for forty eight hours max? Yeah, anything more

1450
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 3: than that, and uh, you know, maybe it's different if

1451
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 3: you live there.

1452
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: If it you know, you kind of.

1453
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 3: Put roots down.

1454
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: It's a full on city. Yeah, that's different. But as

1455
01:05:55,640 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: for a tourist destination, I forty eight hours, maybe seventy

1456
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: two hours tops, but after.

1457
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: That, it's time.

1458
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 3: What are your priorities there?

1459
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: I mean the priorities use Well, I've been out there

1460
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: for the NCAA tournament, which is awesome. Yeah, it's a

1461
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: great time on Incidemat tournament, and the priority was hard

1462
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: gambling when I was there.

1463
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 3: On basketball, on table games.

1464
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: Well on what well, I was there for college basketball,

1465
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: so it was it was basically wagering on as many

1466
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: games as possible, okay, and then playing blackjack. But that

1467
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: was also before all of these things became more mainstream

1468
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: and more prevalent pretty much anywhere you live. Sure, so

1469
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the preference would be if I

1470
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: went back, but at least the time I was there,

1471
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: the one time I was in Vegas, it was pretty much,

1472
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: let's watch as much basketball as we can.

1473
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 3: Oh, that's the only time. That was the Loane visit

1474
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 3: to Vegas, Okay, the only time. Yeah, Yeah, Vegas is

1475
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 3: pretty good. I'm not a gambler, I'm not a drinker.

1476
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 3: I'm not a clubber. I'm not a strip club person.

1477
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 3: But man, in my old age, do I just want

1478
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 3: to go and eat all of the food. It is

1479
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 3: such a great restaurant city, not even just the strip,

1480
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 3: even beyond that that. That's to me why I would

1481
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 3: return to just and you know, go to a comedy

1482
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 3: show or two or something like that. But man, so

1483
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 3: many restaurants I want to try out in the desert.

1484
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's all I have to contribute to that.

1485
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 3: And oh, man, Vegas, Yeah, I haven't been in a

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Speaker 3: long time, long long time. Yeah, I would like to

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Speaker 3: go back. All right, that's all. I think. That's all

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Speaker 3: I have. I would be remiss on another level, though, Tie.

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01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 3: Maybe somebody found our show through Nate or through the

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01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 3: Draft or something like that, or just found it recently,

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01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 3: and I imagine somebody says to themselves, you know, the

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01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 3: content's okay, but damn, do Dan and Tie sound good?

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01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,959
Speaker 3: We've gotten that note? Like, man, you guys sound good,

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01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 3: and I want I got to tell you just in

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01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 3: the light of in light of I guess these past

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01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 3: few days, it's definitely Tie. It's definitely Tie. Who makes

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01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 3: this show sound as good as it does. I've gotten better,

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01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 3: but it's definitely Tie. And so I just want to

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01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 3: give you a bit of a background after these past

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01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 3: few days, if you'd like to know why our show

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01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 3: sounds so good and so legendary. It's from the majestic

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01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 3: heights of the Steel Stacks. What is this to the

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01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 3: insight of the National Museum of Industrial History, the whispering

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01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 3: winds of Klein Farms, Tie, the wonder of the Da

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01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:31,480
Speaker 3: Vinci Science Center, and up to the peaks and vistas

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01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 3: of Hawk Mountain and the Wildlands Conservancy.

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Speaker 1: I hear the birds. I hear the birds. Those are

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: not real birds. They sound like they're right next door.

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01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 3: It's the crisp compression, the legendarily unforgiving noise gates, an

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01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 3: unmatched EQ Welcome to the mesmerizing digital audio landscape of

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Speaker 3: tay Gusta National.

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Speaker 1: This is the dumbest thing you've ever done.

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Speaker 3: I love it. It's pretty good, right is great? I

1514
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 3: heard it yesterday and I was like, I don't know,

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01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 3: I got to make this a stupid podcast thing because

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01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 3: that's how my brain is has been shattered into uh

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01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 3: what a track? And I did throw in fake bird sounds. Ty,

1518
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 3: you got some goldfinches, some robins, and there I did.

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01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 3: I found, I found the track. And then I said, well,

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01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 3: I've heard you know, CBS and the Masters they pipe

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01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 3: in the bird sounds, and who would I be not

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01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 3: to do the same.

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01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: They've got like a cardinal micd up. You can hear

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01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: it on some holes.

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01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 3: It's very it's pretty I looked up bird sounds you

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01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 3: can hear right. Yeah, how's the mix to you? It's good.

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Speaker 3: You did. You're pretty good to you.

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Speaker 1: Give yourself a little.

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01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 3: Bit of credit.

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Speaker 1: You've done all the nuggets. You've done a lot of

1531
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Speaker 1: our shows.

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01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 3: You know what you're doing. I know, I know. It's

1533
01:09:52,040 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 3: just Tygusta National and hello friends. Oh so I took

1534
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,440
Speaker 3: such a good nap yesterday. It's so good.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations Scotti, Scheffler. Yeah, hook them Texas Texas grad. Yeah,

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01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: Texas finally wins something. Yeah, good on him ran away

1537
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: with it in the end. Yeah, I mean Texas in

1538
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: their lone huge football win. Beat Georgia, and so there's

1539
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: some sort of alignment there of Scotty chef Jordan Spi

1540
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: has won the Masters. Also a ut guy, Scotti Scheffler,

1541
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: originally from I think Ridgeway, New Jersey, which is fairly

1542
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: close to me, but moved down to Texas. More of

1543
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 1: a Texas guy golf school. Yeah. Absolutely, so, well, look,

1544
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: this has been a fun show. Nate Tice. Go check

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01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: him out. We're huge fans of Nate's work. The show

1546
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: that he does with Robert Mays is awesome. If you're

1547
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: into all things pro football, go check out the Athletic

1548
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: NFL Show. We'll be back on Thursday. I'm going to

1549
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about basically what's going on

1550
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: in college football. I know that's what we do here.

1551
01:10:58,479 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 3: It is a college football show.

1552
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 1: But now that we actually have some things to discuss,

1553
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: albeit scant with spring games just kind of starting up

1554
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: here in the month of April, we'll do our best

1555
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: to provide a recap of that. And are we doing

1556
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: the Q and A show?

1557
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 3: Is that is that the Yeah? I think we're gonna

1558
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 3: do a MEGAQ and A.

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01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. So if you've got questions, if you've got things

1560
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: that are pressing that you want to talk more about,

1561
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: hit us up Solidverbal at gmail dot com. Of course,

1562
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,759
Speaker 1: if you are on the Patreon at verbowlers dot com,

1563
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: you can always send us in your thoughts via discord

1564
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: via Patreon itself. We'd love to get your thoughts on

1565
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, what's going on in college football and what

1566
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: types of things we should address next, but we'll do

1567
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: that on Thursday. Don't forget in the meantime if you

1568
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 1: did happen upon this show, didn't know about us before,

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01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: Welcome on in Everybody's welcome. Thank you to ty Gustin

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01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: National whatever we're calling this. Yeah, hit the subscriber follow button.

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01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: We'd love to have you back for another show. And last,

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Speaker 1: but not least, go to solid giveaway dot com. We

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Speaker 1: are giving away free signed aj Brown Minnie helmet. You

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Speaker 1: got a couple of weeks to get your name in.

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Speaker 3: That hat, all right? So I got notable who's a

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01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 3: notable Butler? Welcome like welcome to Darius Butler Cabin. I'm

1577
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 3: so sorry for that guy over there, my good friend

1578
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 3: Dan Rubinstein, form myself Tie Hill in the brand. Thanks

1579
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 3: so much for downloading, listening and playing along with our badness.

1580
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 3: At home.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you all in a few days, and meantime,

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Speaker 1: stay solid, peace,