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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. All right, the Afterlife, Burgatory and Heaven Wayne

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Speaker 1: to tell us who Father Rutulio was. So Father de

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Speaker 1: Too was a contemporary mystic of the church. So he

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Speaker 1: was a contemporary of Padre Pio, who is a very

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Speaker 1: of course well known Stigmata. Right. Yes, so Padre Pio

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Speaker 1: himself called Father Delindo, who's known commonly as Don Delindo,

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Speaker 1: a saint in his own right, which is amazing coming

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Speaker 1: from a testimony of someone such as Padre Pio. So

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Speaker 1: he lives from the eighteen eighties through nineteen seventies, so

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Speaker 1: he witnessed a lot of disarray and destruction in the

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Speaker 1: world of course, two World Wars, and also changes in

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Speaker 1: the church during that time. He was a mystic, so

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Speaker 1: he is known to have communicated directly with Jesus Christ

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Speaker 1: and with her lady. And he was also something that's

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Speaker 1: known as a victim's soul. So this means that he

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Speaker 1: was a martyr in will, but not in blood. So

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Speaker 1: while he did not suffer martyrdom, he suffered throughout his

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Speaker 1: life all of the pains that he was given his illness.

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Speaker 1: He was almost paralyzed for the last few years of

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Speaker 1: his life. All of those graces that he gained through

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Speaker 1: that suffering were applied directly two souls in purgatory and

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Speaker 1: also for the conversion of the world, the conversion of spinners.

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Speaker 1: So he was someone very close to God. His name Delindo,

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Speaker 1: actually means pain, so it's almost as if coded into

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Speaker 1: his identity from the day of his birth. And he

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Speaker 1: didn't quite a lot of writing. He's most known for

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Speaker 1: his work on surrender, so the concept of surrendering to

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Speaker 1: God's wealth. He particularly created what's known as the Surrender

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Speaker 1: novena nine day prayer to align your will with the

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Speaker 1: will of God's whatever may come, and to use it

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Speaker 1: as something to gain as many souls for God as possible.

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Speaker 1: So this particular book he focuses on purgatory and heaven.

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Speaker 1: I remember from my Catholic studies. Purgatory is between heaven

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Speaker 1: and Hell. It's kind of like the holding tank waiting

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Speaker 1: to make your move right, that's right. So the good

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Speaker 1: thing for the souls in purgatory is that they are

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Speaker 1: confirmed in grace, so they will definitely make it to

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Speaker 1: heaven one day. It's just a matter of time. So

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Speaker 1: then this book they illustrate many examples of souls who

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Speaker 1: have died, who are arisen from the dead for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: or make an appearance, and if given the choice to

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Speaker 1: come back to Earth or remain in purgatory, despite the

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Speaker 1: pains of purgatory, they actually choose to go back to

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Speaker 1: purgatory because there's no risk of going to hell anymore.

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Speaker 1: Once you're in purgatory, you will make it to heaven

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Speaker 1: after your sins have been expiated. So it's actually quite

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Speaker 1: a relief to have made it to purgatory. And that's

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Speaker 1: of course we should shoot for heaven in purgatory. But

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Speaker 1: if you've made it to purgatory, you have done a

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Speaker 1: good job. You'll hear well done, good and faithful servants

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Speaker 1: at the end of your life, and you know that

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Speaker 1: you see God face to face. Yeah, what have you

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Speaker 1: done in one's life for your soul to end up

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Speaker 1: in purgatory in this waiting period. So purgatory the word

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Speaker 1: comes from the Greek root word pure, which is the

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Speaker 1: root for both the words of fire. So we think

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Speaker 1: the root pyro and pure as we think of the

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Speaker 1: word purification. So purgatory is a place to expiate from sin.

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Speaker 1: So in order to make it to purgatory for the

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Speaker 1: first place, you must have repented from all your mortal sins.

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Speaker 1: So the Catholic Church divides sin into two types. So

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Speaker 1: mortal sins are sins that are so grave that they

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Speaker 1: kill the soul, So essentially you're walking around as a

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Speaker 1: dead person of dead soul if he's committed a mortal sin.

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Speaker 1: And these are sins that require three conditions, So it

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Speaker 1: has to be a grave matter, and then you have

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Speaker 1: to have full knowledge of it as a sin. And

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Speaker 1: finally you have to consent with the full consent of

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Speaker 1: your will to commit a mortal sin. So if you

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Speaker 1: and you know that you're choosing it instead of God

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Speaker 1: and his commandments, So these of course can be forgiven

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Speaker 1: if they're committed throughout this life by going to the sacraments, confession,

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Speaker 1: or the Lord built into the church to help us

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Speaker 1: when we fall. But there's also something known as venial sin,

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Speaker 1: and these are the smaller sins that don't quite fits

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Speaker 1: paid for. So if you are cleansed of all mortal

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Speaker 1: of perfect contrition at the end of one's life, then

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Speaker 1: you can hope for purgatory. But the pain due to

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Speaker 1: sin is still on your soul. So it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like if you think of a physical injury, you have

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Speaker 1: still see the scar upon your skin. And so it's

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Speaker 1: the same way with sin on our soul. It stains

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Speaker 1: is the remainder of that pain that's due to sin,

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Speaker 1: and that it's a matter of justice to get rid

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Speaker 1: percent pure can enter heaven. It's just a metaphysical impossibility.

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Speaker 1: So purgatory in that way is a mercy because it

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Speaker 1: allows you to enter Heaven one hundred percent clean of

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Speaker 1: your sin. Did the Catholic Church, though, attempt to do

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Speaker 1: away with purgatory that it doesn't exist, No, some have said.

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Speaker 1: Some have tried to say that, and that's the typical

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Speaker 1: Protestant critiques that you'll hear is, oh, where's purgatory in

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Speaker 1: the Bible? And there are a few sections, notably in

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Speaker 1: the Book of Maccabee's where it's discussed that we must

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Speaker 1: pray for the dead so that they might be freed

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Speaker 1: from sin. When you break that down, you know, think

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Speaker 1: of the dead in heaven. They don't need to be

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Speaker 1: freed from sin. They're good. The dead in hell, it's

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Speaker 1: impossible for them to be free from sin. They're stuck

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Speaker 1: there right right, there's this third category of dead who

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Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot of confusion with that, and

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Speaker 1: also with the concept of Limbo too, So that is

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Speaker 1: actually a different place. Before the redemption of Jesus Christ

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Speaker 1: actually closed to the human race. We could not enter

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Speaker 1: from the Old Testament went to Limbo. This is known

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Speaker 1: now as Limbo of the Fathers, because the patriarchs such

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Speaker 1: is a dark place, but not a place of pain.

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Speaker 1: It was just more of a place of waiting, and

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Speaker 1: that was opened at the moment of the resurrection, so

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Speaker 1: that limbo is emptied out. There's also the concept of

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Speaker 1: the limbo of the innocence, which is where unbaptized, these

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Speaker 1: sort of sins in their life, of course, are said

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Speaker 1: it's a period of purification of those who have Heaven

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Speaker 1: opened to them by Jesus already. How soon, Kristen, do

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Speaker 1: you think after someone dies, does the soul enter either heaven,

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Speaker 1: hell or purgatory. Yeah, So it all depends on the

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Speaker 1: personal proclivities, sins, and disposition of the person. And sometimes

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Speaker 1: it seems disproportionate to what they've committed in their life,

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Speaker 1: but of course that's known ultimately only to God. So

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Speaker 1: one example of this is our Lady of Fatima, who

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Speaker 1: appeared to three children in nineteen seventeen in Portugal. And

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Speaker 1: then you've probably heard of the miracles the sons that

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Speaker 1: occurred during that year after her last. That's right, that's

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Speaker 1: a tough one. I have a tough time understanding that one.

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Speaker 1: But yes, so so much packed into our Lady of Fatima.

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Speaker 1: believe of purgatory as well. And the children asked after

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Speaker 1: in purgatory until the end of time. And she was

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Speaker 1: like what could she have done to deserve that? But

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Speaker 1: never really know the internal struggles of somebody's soul, and

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Speaker 1: the time in purgatory is so personalized to what you

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Speaker 1: need to personally work through. Other cases, it's sort of just,

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Speaker 1: of course, we can't there's no way to prove this,

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Speaker 1: and it just kind of moves us to do whatever

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Speaker 1: we can to hasten the assent of anybody who's stuck

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Speaker 1: in there for that long. We are talking with Kristen

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Speaker 1: Van You didn't. She is the spokesperson for the Sophia

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Speaker 1: Institute Press, which puts out the books that we're talking

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Speaker 1: about tonight, including The Afterlife Purgatory in Heaven explained. How

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Speaker 1: long do you stay in purgatory before and what is

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Speaker 1: the criteria to get out of there? So you can

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Speaker 1: So there's time even relevant to them. Christian. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: The Church has a treasury of indulgences which are kind

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Speaker 1: of the most shure fire way to help the souls

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Speaker 1: in purgatory, and these were measured in terms of days.

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Speaker 1: So you'll see in old devotionals and old missiles, for example,

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Speaker 1: that this indulgence of this prayer, if set under the

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Speaker 1: proper conditions, will grant you one hundred days, or often

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Speaker 1: And that's not referring to time as it's recorded in purgatory.

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Speaker 1: in order to gain that many years of public penance.

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Speaker 1: This prayer is worth that many years. So it's an

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Speaker 1: earthly time, which of course is the only way that

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Speaker 1: the way it's applied in purgatory is really the way

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Speaker 1: that the soul experiences it as anyone's guests. But from

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Speaker 1: all of the apparitions that we have recorded. Even a

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Speaker 1: moment in purgatory seems a lot longer than time on earth,

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Speaker 1: so of course when you're suffering, to the moment seem longer.

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Speaker 1: But it's a place that's outside of time, so time

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