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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed we do, guys. It's

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Speaker 1: This is obviously a tremendous earthshaking moment in terms of

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Speaker 1: bombshell news, the leak of this draft decision that would

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Speaker 1: lot of people that none of these things can ultimately

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Speaker 1: be taken for granted. None of it is completely settled ground.

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Speaker 1: And that's just my encouragement to you, wherever you fall

435
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Speaker 1: on this issue or any other on the political spectrum,

436
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Speaker 1: to not take for granted any privileged benefit right that

437
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Speaker 1: you enjoy in this country. Any and all of it

438
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Speaker 1: can be rolled back if you are disengaged, if you

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Speaker 1: were apathetic, if you think that, you know, you don't

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Speaker 1: want to get your hands dirty in politics, or if

441
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Speaker 1: you think that you're you know, too disgusted with the system,

442
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Speaker 1: which I certainly understand and relate to to ultimately get involved.

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Speaker 1: So that's sort of the ruling. As I said at

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Speaker 1: the beginning. You know, there is some outside chance that

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Speaker 1: it could change between now and the month or two

446
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Speaker 1: months from now when it ultimately is is released and

447
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Speaker 1: becomes law of the land, but I think that is very,

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Speaker 1: very unlikely, and it seems incredibly, you know, almost certain

449
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Speaker 1: that this is the direction the country has had it in. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and move on then to Scotis politics.

451
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Speaker 1: Because this how this all came out is a crazy

452
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: story in and of itself. As you said, basically scoop

453
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: of this injury there from Politico and the overall analysis

454
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Speaker 1: of how this is going to affect the Court for

455
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Speaker 1: decades to come really is not yet being grappled with.

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Speaker 1: Put this up there on the screen from Scotus Blog.

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Speaker 1: The document leak to Politico is almost certainly authentic draft

458
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Speaker 1: opinion by Justice Alito that reflects what he believes. At

459
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Speaker 1: least five members of the Court have voted to support

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Speaker 1: over ruling low Row, but as Alito's draft, it does

461
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Speaker 1: not reflect the comments or the reactions of other justices.

462
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Speaker 1: So that is definitely something to keep in mind whenever

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Speaker 1: you're looking at that. We don't yet know if you're

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Speaker 1: going to have concurrences from Justice Thomas, concurrensis from Justice

465
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Speaker 1: Barrett and others that you know, the people should remember

466
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Speaker 1: they don't they're not entirely familiar with the way that

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Speaker 1: these things go. But there can usually be you know,

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Speaker 1: up to like ten documents that are issued with different

469
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Speaker 1: concurrences selective conferrence, he says, it can be hundreds of pages.

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Speaker 1: It is noteworthy the draft is from February, So it

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Speaker 1: could have changed, it could have already changed. That's that's

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Speaker 1: an important thing, right, okay. And so then in terms

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Speaker 1: of the leak itself, there's a lot of questions about

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Speaker 1: this leak. Let's put this up there on the screen

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Speaker 1: again from Scotus blog. It is impossible to overstate that

476
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Speaker 1: the earthquake this will cause inside of the court in

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Speaker 1: terms of the destruction of trust amongst justices and staff,

478
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Speaker 1: this leak is the gravest, most unforgivable sin. And what

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Speaker 1: he means is that within the court itself, it is

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Speaker 1: a long standing precedent you do not leak draft opinions

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Speaker 1: because they get issued by the court itself whenever everything

482
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Speaker 1: is ready as of because it is literally the law

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Speaker 1: of the land. It can change markets, it can change

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Speaker 1: the country. Obviously, this one is going to impact our

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Speaker 1: politics dramatically. And so as I understand it, Having spoken

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Speaker 1: now to some people who are on Scotus are familiar

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Speaker 1: with the process for clerking, this is the cardinal sin.

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Speaker 1: You are never allowed to leak, not only to reporters,

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Speaker 1: but a draft opinion itself being circulated is like that

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Speaker 1: is a whole other realm. Now we don't know the

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Speaker 1: circumstances under which this was leaked, and I do think

492
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Speaker 1: it is worth kind of understanding who the people who

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Speaker 1: brought this to light are. So the two reporters who

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Speaker 1: published this at Politico, Josh Gernstein and Alex Ward. So

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Speaker 1: what's interesting about the two of them Because I actually

496
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Speaker 1: knew Alex back in my Pentagon days. He is a

497
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Speaker 1: national security reporter who used to work at Vox. Josh

498
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Speaker 1: Gernstein is a legal expert. You and I are probably

499
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Speaker 1: most familiar with him for his reporting on the FBI,

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Speaker 1: so it's not that he's more familiar again with national

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Speaker 1: security law. There are a lot of questions right now

502
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Speaker 1: as to why exactly the person who broke Probably are

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Speaker 1: the people who broke probably the biggest scoop of the

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Speaker 1: last twenty years, are not Adam Liptak, who is the

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Speaker 1: New York Times correspondent, Nina Totenberg the NPR Supreme Course.

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Speaker 1: She may have been placed back off of leave for

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Speaker 1: some ethical decisions, but anyway, Nina Totenberg, she's the previous

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Speaker 1: person who ever actually reported inside the Supreme Court. Jane

509
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Speaker 1: Mayer over at The New Yorker, there are many reporters

510
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Speaker 1: in this town who have been covering the court frankly

511
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Speaker 1: know the justices, if dined with them, been to their parties, weddings,

512
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Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. The fact that they did not

513
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: report this and get this is pretty extraordinary. It leads

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Speaker 1: to a question also on the leak strategy. And this

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Speaker 1: is another thing I want to spend a little bit

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Speaker 1: of time on, which is that there is an overwhelming

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Speaker 1: assumption right now that this leak came from a liberal

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Speaker 1: member of the court, either a Justice herself or himself,

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Speaker 1: or a member of their staff. But there also is

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Speaker 1: a prevailing opinion on the right, in right legal world

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Speaker 1: that this was actually leaked, because this is the majority

522
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Speaker 1: opinion that should have been and has now been kind

523
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Speaker 1: of hammered away by Roberts or by Justice Kavanaugh because

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Speaker 1: we don't know what the internal one is. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't really know what to think. One theory floating

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Speaker 1: out there is that the reason Gernstein and Ward got

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Speaker 1: it is because it's possible that the email system for

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court was hacked and by like within the

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Speaker 1: National security real Yeah, Like, there's one theory that this

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Speaker 1: was actually a hack of their email servers, and then

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Speaker 1: it was leaked, you know, to people who would be

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Speaker 1: familiar with those types of sources, possibly like the NSA.

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Speaker 1: Once again, by the way, this is not iculation. That's

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Speaker 1: interesting though. Number two is that this was a liberal justice.

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Speaker 1: I would say the overwhelming kind of opinion is on

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Speaker 1: that one. Number three, it seems like to your point

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Speaker 1: about who got the scoop, it does seem like if

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Speaker 1: it was a liberal justice, it would go yeah, even

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Speaker 1: like a Jeffrey Tubin or exactly, Yeah, Jeffrey Tuben is

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Speaker 1: another one. He was written entire books on the court.

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Speaker 1: I means, you know, the CNA. He was the first

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Speaker 1: person who was on cns's his name at NBC. Who's

543
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: very Pete, Pete Williams, Yeah, Williams. You know, these are

544
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Speaker 1: people who have direct personal relationships tons of sources within

545
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Speaker 1: the court, right, yeah, you listen. This is all pure conjecture,

546
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Speaker 1: but I would think that if it was actually one

547
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Speaker 1: of the liberal justices, that it would have come to

548
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Speaker 1: one of those. I would so too. Maybe they're trying

549
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Speaker 1: to carry cover their tracks. Also, it's possible that Justice

550
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Speaker 1: said no idea, a member of the staff did it.

551
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: Maybe they went to college with Alex Or with Josh Stuarts,

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00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, who knows like how these all

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Speaker 1: things play out. Also, I did see some criticism of

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Speaker 1: Politico for publishing this story. Oh come on, please. If

555
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: I had my hands on this, I hit published the moment.

556
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: I know. That's what. I can't believe anyone's even art

557
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: story of all time. I mean, in terms of national impact,

558
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: it was crazy, and especially I'm sure it probably came

559
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Speaker 1: from the same people who would be outraged that, you know,

560
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: Twitter censored the Hunters and things like that. It's all right, guys,

561
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Speaker 1: we got to be consistent here. I do think that,

562
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Speaker 1: you know, it was wrong to sense of the Hunter

563
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Speaker 1: Biden's story. Obviously, if you're Politico or any news organization,

564
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Speaker 1: you run us all you're going to run, no question.

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Speaker 1: I did think that, you know, there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of conservative outrage about the fact of the league itself.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, like, to me, the substance

568
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: is way more important than the leak. I am not

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Speaker 1: outraged about the league. I view this listen. I have

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Speaker 1: no respect for like the norms and guardrails of the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I think it's an undemocratic, unaccountable institution. I

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Speaker 1: think it already kind of sucks. I think it's you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's norms suck too, by the way, like

574
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Speaker 1: they have this instinct towards a total lack of transparency

575
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Speaker 1: and also towards a total lack which we covered on

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Speaker 1: this show, of any sort of ethical guardrails for their

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Speaker 1: own justices, unlike other places within the judiciary, within the

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Speaker 1: federal judiciary. So you know, and again it's the same

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Speaker 1: type of people who are during the Trump era would

580
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Speaker 1: have been like, ah, the norms and guardrails you guys,

581
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: stop with your pearl clutching. Are now like, oh, how

582
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Speaker 1: could you violate the sacred norms of the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: I get where they're coming from. I do think it's extrame.

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Speaker 1: I think, really, whoever did this, you did us all

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Speaker 1: a disservice, because really, Crystal and I agree with you,

586
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Speaker 1: this substance is obviously most important, But there's a reason

587
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: we led the show with that. That's not going to

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Speaker 1: be my first take. My real thing is, guys, as

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Speaker 1: people who we want to know the full picture. All

590
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Speaker 1: we have is some draft opinion. We don't know the concurrence,

591
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: we don't know what the law is we don't know

592
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Speaker 1: who voted against. We don't know what the full effect is. Okay,

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00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: let's say that you're whoever leaked this is pro choice. Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: whoever you did this, you just put a lot of

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Speaker 1: women who are Maybe there's a lady who doesn't go

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00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: get an abortion right now. I mean, listen, it's still

597
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: the law. You can if you want to. And there

598
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: could be someone who says, I better give this shit though,

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Speaker 1: right right exactly, I care it's extraordinarily likely that that's

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Speaker 1: going to happen, right, I mean, you could go, I'm

601
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Speaker 1: sure there's going to be planned lines down the block

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Speaker 1: on planned parenthood here in Washington or many of the

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Speaker 1: other liberal cities. So I just think whoever did this

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Speaker 1: really did as all. I don't agree with that, because

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Speaker 1: I ultimately think the more information and the sooner the

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00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: American people have that information, the better. I mean, we're

607
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: also going to be talking about voting happening right now

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00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: in critical political primary races that you know could very

609
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: much be impacted by what looks extremely likely to occur

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Speaker 1: in this case. So so I totally disagree with that.

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Speaker 1: I do actually think it was a service to have

612
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: this information to have the transparency around it, to have

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00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: insight into their thinking. And you know, I have no

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Speaker 1: issue with I have no issue with whoever decided to

615
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: leak this for whatever reason it was. And I think

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Speaker 1: you're right to point out like there is sort of

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Speaker 1: a working assumption that this was someone who was pro choice,

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Speaker 1: who was upset about the direction of the decision, but

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Speaker 1: one who wanted to try to put pressure somehow and

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Speaker 1: like a hail married pass to get somebody to bend

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Speaker 1: under public pressure and go a different direction. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that there's any chance that strategy is ultimately going

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Speaker 1: to work. So basically, I think this just gives us

624
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: insight earlier to where the Court has ultimately landed on,

625
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, one of the central fault lines in American

626
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: politics of the last fifty years. I would just like

627
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: to say on this, which is that it will destroy

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Speaker 1: trust on the Supreme Court and it will change the

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Speaker 1: way that this works for all time, because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: there is a pretty cordial relationship right now now between

631
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Speaker 1: you know, like Justice Kagan as friends with was or

632
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: Justice Ginsburg was really good friends with, like Justice Scalia,

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Speaker 1: and the units to go to conferences together and Bryan

634
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: Kagan is apparently close Roberts all this other stuff, then

635
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: that stuff is over in terms of sharing pain. I know,

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Speaker 1: I know you don't care. I don't really care about

637
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Speaker 1: their U have a big impact, though I don't really

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Speaker 1: know what it looked like personally. Be happy to see

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00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: the UH trust and credibility of the Supreme Court go down. Well,

640
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: this is going to change. I mean, this is certainly

641
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Speaker 1: going to polarize it. This is going to polarize it,

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00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: no question on the mods. The other thing, I just

643
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Speaker 1: wanted to point out some of the history here because

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Speaker 1: you actually sent this this morning, which is that there's

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Speaker 1: no doubt that a leak, a premature leak of decision

646
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Speaker 1: is extraordinarily rare, but is not completely unprecedented. And actually, interestingly,

647
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Speaker 1: when Roe was actually decided, there was a clerk for

648
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Speaker 1: one of the justices who gave I think was Time

649
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Speaker 1: magazine the jump on the story. And then so the

650
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Speaker 1: whole idea was, Okay, I'm going to give you insight

651
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Speaker 1: into what the decision is, but it's embargoed until the

652
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Speaker 1: decision actually comes out. And because there was a delay

653
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Speaker 1: in releasing the decision, Time actually their magazine went to

654
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Speaker 1: print and was on newsstands several hours before the decision

655
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Speaker 1: actually came down and really sort of like screwed over

656
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Speaker 1: this clerk who tendered his who was like, I'll resign

657
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Speaker 1: if you want, and I mean the reporter, you know,

658
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Speaker 1: and Time magazine really kind of screwed him over. Because

659
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Speaker 1: when you have an embargo, you have an embargo, and

660
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Speaker 1: that's that. So that is an instance when it was

661
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: leaked ahead of time and there was a jump on

662
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: the story is obviously a little bit different than this situation,

663
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Speaker 1: where you know, it's clearly an attempt by someone to

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Speaker 1: inform the public early and potentially try to affect ultimately

665
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Speaker 1: the outcome here is whatever the outcome is here, although

666
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Speaker 1: again I think that is extremely almost you know, impossibly

667
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Speaker 1: unlikely to happen, but it is. It is very rare

668
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Speaker 1: for this ultimately to happen and does represent in its

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Speaker 1: way also a sort of watershed breakdown in terms of,

670
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Speaker 1: you know, how the court operates. Again, I have no

671
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Speaker 1: problem with that, but that's just like the factual way.

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Speaker 1: It's a factual matter. It's going to change course of

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Speaker 1: business there on the court, and you know that that

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Speaker 1: is something which is going to be interesting. Also, let's

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Speaker 1: go put this next one up there on the screen,

676
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Speaker 1: just people who are asking about the authenticity. Here's what

677
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Speaker 1: Politico said in response, and it should also be notable.

678
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like the Hunter Biden story, where look,

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Speaker 1: you think the Supreme Court's not aware that it is

680
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Speaker 1: out there. If it was fake, they would tell it.

681
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Speaker 1: They would tell it. Yeah, like they would have immediately

682
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Speaker 1: shot it. It would have been like, this is a

683
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Speaker 1: big report, this is not. Actually. There's a good example

684
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Speaker 1: of this recently. Remember there was that story where people

685
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Speaker 1: claim that Soda Mayor had to work from home because

686
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Speaker 1: does thee courses wouldn't wear a mask, that's right, And

687
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: they all put out statements being like, this is bullshit,

688
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: that none of that happened. So we literally know that

689
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Speaker 1: that happened. I think it happened like three or four

690
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Speaker 1: months ago. So here's an example where been out there.

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Speaker 1: Now it's worth filming this. It's eight forty seven am

692
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Speaker 1: here on the East Coast. Guarantee you all of justice

693
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Speaker 1: has been up all night. If it was fake, they

694
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Speaker 1: would have told us so. But in regards to that,

695
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Speaker 1: the Politico says, extensive review posts were confident of the

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Speaker 1: authenticity of the draft. And again pretty much everybody who

697
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Speaker 1: is familiar with the court says that this is absolutely

698
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Speaker 1: an authentic draft. So look, take that for what you will.

699
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Speaker 1: Let's move on to the politics of this, the most

700
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Speaker 1: fun one. So how do Americans feel about abortion? This

701
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Speaker 1: is one which is going to disappoint a lot of

702
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: my friends who are on the right. Let's put us

703
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Public opinion on abortion has

704
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: basically remained static since nineteen ninety five. Like I was

705
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Speaker 1: talking about there back in the safe, legal and rare case,

706
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Speaker 1: so right here. In nineteen ninety five when this was taken,

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Speaker 1: sixty percent of Americans said that they thought abortion should

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Speaker 1: be legal in all or most cases. And in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, the last time that Pew did did it's

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Speaker 1: extensive data, fifty nine percent said that abortion should be

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Speaker 1: legal in all or most cases. Actually, the low point

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Speaker 1: for abortion in this country was two thousand and nine,

713
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Speaker 1: when Americans said forty seven percent that abortion should be

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Speaker 1: legal in all or most cases. I'm not exactly sure

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Speaker 1: what was going on in two thousand and nine or

716
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Speaker 1: why exactly that would have changed, but it's not two

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Speaker 1: thousand and nine, So there you go Obama stuff party.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I guess it could have been that.

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Speaker 1: I truly have absolutely no idea. Now, in terms of

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Speaker 1: views on abortion, how do most people feel whenever it

721
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: comes to the trimester period, Because that really is where

722
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Speaker 1: public opinion bifurcates completely. So people who think that abortion

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Speaker 1: should be legal in all cases twenty five percent, people

724
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Speaker 1: who think that abortion should be legal in most cases,

725
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Speaker 1: thirty four percent, people who think that should abortion should

726
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Speaker 1: be illegal in most cases, twenty six percent people who

727
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: think that abortion should be illegal in all cases. And

728
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Speaker 1: of course, got is the rape, incest, life of the

729
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: mother situation? Thirteen percent don't know, don't have an opinion,

730
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Speaker 1: two percent. Wow, abortion really is one of those people

731
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Speaker 1: know where they stay in Paris, it was exactly where

732
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Speaker 1: they feel. I do want to just pause you on that,

733
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Speaker 1: because I do think it's worth noting that of all

734
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Speaker 1: of those positions across the spectrum that you just lay down,

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Speaker 1: the least popular stance is illegal in all cases only

736
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Speaker 1: thirteen percent. That's like lower than defund the police level

737
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Speaker 1: of support, and that is in fact going to be

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Speaker 1: the law in quite a number of states. As we

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Speaker 1: just went over so that's why, you know, and especially

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Speaker 1: when you ask people how they feel about Row specifically

741
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Speaker 1: being overturned. The latest poll that I saw again, it

742
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Speaker 1: was very lobstited. Seventy percent wanted Roe to remain in

743
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Speaker 1: place and only thirty percent wanted it overturned. In general,

744
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Speaker 1: my sort of like grand view of cultural issues like

745
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Speaker 1: abortion is that whichever parties see seems to be in

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Speaker 1: the most extreme position is the party that's losing. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I think you see the you know, the

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Speaker 1: little bit of ebbs and flows that you see in

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Speaker 1: terms of where people stand on abortion, I think depends

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Speaker 1: on those same swings in terms of what party is

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Speaker 1: advocating for what. So now you have, you know, Republicans

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00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: who are very responsive to the furthest right voices on

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Speaker 1: this issue, because those are the people who are most

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Speaker 1: activated on the issue. They're single issue voters, this is

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Speaker 1: their thing. They're very organized, they're very activated on it.

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Speaker 1: And so you have Republican elected officials who are very

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Speaker 1: responsive to the furthest hardest right views on this particular issue.

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Speaker 1: That has led them to be out of step with

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Speaker 1: populations even in conservative states. I think it was Mississippi

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Speaker 1: that tried by ballot initiative pass fetal heartbeat law that

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Speaker 1: got rejected, even in a state as red as Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we had you know, Todd Aiken and his

763
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Speaker 1: comments about legitimate rape in Missouri, causing him to go

764
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Speaker 1: down to a very unpopular Claire mccaskal at the time.

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Speaker 1: So now you're going to have actually more pressure on

766
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Speaker 1: Republicans to you know, from this activist base to okay,

767
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Speaker 1: time to pass the law, time to make this the

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Speaker 1: law in the state, if not the entire country. And

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Speaker 1: that again is going to put them in a very

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Speaker 1: extreme place, siding with thirteen percent of the country that

771
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Speaker 1: believe it should be illegal in all cases versus the

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Speaker 1: overwhelming majority opinion that says at least there should be

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Speaker 1: some exceptions here. So I actually have a pulling here

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Speaker 1: on roversus weight. And actually this is one of the

775
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Speaker 1: only cases where support has gone up for do not overturn.

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Speaker 1: So in August of nineteen ninety two, sixty percent said

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Speaker 1: that do not overturn row, thirty four percent said yes,

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Speaker 1: sixty two In January of three January thirteen remained static,

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Speaker 1: But you saw a big jump in December of twenty

780
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Speaker 1: sixteen sixty nine percent. Yes, twenty eight percent say overturn

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Speaker 1: Now it is seventy percent. There's August of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: so roughly approximate to where we are right now. Do

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Speaker 1: not overturn Roe versus weigh at seventy percent? Yes, overturn

784
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: Roe versus weighed at twenty eight percent. And the divide

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Speaker 1: amongst Republicans is very real, and I want to spend

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Speaker 1: some time here. Yeah, so total people say that sixty

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Speaker 1: one This is the divide amongst Republicans in views of

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Speaker 1: legal abortion illegal in all our most cases, thirty eight

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Speaker 1: percent legal in all our most cases, sixty one percent. Now.

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Speaker 1: Amongst people who are Republican, sixty two percent of Republicans

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Speaker 1: say that it should be illegal in all our most cases,

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Speaker 1: but thirty six percent think it should be legal in

793
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Speaker 1: all our most cases now. Of people who identify as conservative,

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00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: it's seventy seven percent illegal, twenty two percent legal. Amongst

795
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Speaker 1: moderate or liberal Republican, I don't know who we call

796
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Speaker 1: it a liberal Republican, but whatever, forty four percent illegal,

797
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: fifty seven percent legal in all our most cases. Now.

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Speaker 1: Amongst Democrats, it's not nearly split. Seventeen percent of Democrats

799
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Speaker 1: say that it should be illegal in all the most

800
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Speaker 1: cases and legal in most cases. Amongst conservative or moderate

801
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: identified Democrats, it's twenty five percent illegal, seventy five percent legal,

802
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: and amongst liberal Democrats it's nine to ninety one. So

803
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 1: there's actually much bigger of a split within the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: And this is what I alluded to previously when I

805
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: was describing my own views. I consider myself we got

806
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: barsol conservative type. I'm very against political correctness. I'm very

807
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Speaker 1: against some of these new culture war things that are

808
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: happening with critical race theory and trans ideology. Those are

809
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: frankly just as unpopular as a bore batting abortion in

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Speaker 1: all or most cases. Now you are going to see

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Speaker 1: a big split amongst those people, Crystal. So what I

812
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: was describing to you is that one third of Republicans,

813
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: especially one third of people who voted for Donald Trump,

814
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: consider themselves pro choice. Now they didn't care because Trump

815
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: was ultimately against political correctness. And if you see, also,

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Speaker 1: we actually had a segment today we were going to

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Speaker 1: do before all this happened, about how Republicans are leading

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Speaker 1: amongst Latinos and amongst I think his parents under the

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Speaker 1: age of parents with kids sixty something like that. Again,

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Speaker 1: I would describe to the CRT in the trans debates,

821
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Speaker 1: but when it comes to abortion, it's literally the opposite

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Speaker 1: in terms of how that polling. And by putting this

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Speaker 1: front and center as that, I do think this is

824
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Speaker 1: going to be the one thing that could possibly change

825
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: the outcome of the midterm elections. Now there is evidence

826
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Speaker 1: possibly against my hypothesis. We saw that the Texas law

827
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: did not ultimately change that much. Governor Abbott is sailing

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Speaker 1: to re election now Governor Youngkin here not in Virginia,

829
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Speaker 1: but in Virginia. Well, they ran a lot of ads

830
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Speaker 1: against him, saying he's going to overturn abortion if row

831
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: versus way. That didn't ultimately happen, but Governor Newsome did

832
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: run on it, and he ultimately beat the odds on

833
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: the recall elect not beat the odds he beat, I

834
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: think is relatively the same margin. His polls skyrock his

835
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Speaker 1: post pass for the text, and it ended up not

836
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: being close whatsoever. So what do you make of that?

837
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Speaker 1: I literally have no idea. It was all been hypothetical.

838
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Speaker 1: There are two sides of it. Personally, I think now

839
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: that it's real and people have to really decide and

840
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: if it legitimately is on the ballot, I think this

841
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: is going to hurt the Republican Party. I think red

842
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: states will get a lot redder, a lot of the

843
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: evangelicals are going to get a lot more excited. But

844
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Speaker 1: places like Pennsylvania, places like Georgia, places like Florida, Well,

845
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Speaker 1: Florida is probably a little bit different, but let's say

846
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Speaker 1: the industrial Midwest and elsewhere where the barstool contingent is

847
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: actually a lot higher. A lot of the people supporting

848
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Speaker 1: the Republican Party are doing more so for cultural reasons

849
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: outside of guns and abortion. That is going to have

850
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Speaker 1: I believe a significant impact on their electoral fances come November.

851
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Speaker 1: It'll be I could be completely wrong. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: you know, you have said for a while that the

853
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Speaker 1: one thing that could upend the current you know, destruction

854
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party that we were headed towards for

855
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: the midterms would be that decision. Now that that doesn't

856
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: mean it's going to play out that way, but it

857
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 1: is that much of a sort of monumental pivot point

858
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Speaker 1: in terms of the American political landscape that you could

859
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Speaker 1: have it see it having massive impacts, especially because you

860
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: have a Democratic base that has been completely apathetic, I

861
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: mean disappointed in Biden on almost every level. His economic

862
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: agenda completely bogged down. You know, you pointed to trans

863
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: issues and CRT with parents. I would point to the

864
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: fact that you gave people a child tax credit and

865
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: then you took it away after a year, which we

866
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: saw there was a huge drop in terms of support

867
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Speaker 1: from parents who were receiving the CTC once that ultimately

868
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: went away. You have inflation, you have I mean, there's

869
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: manifest many issues in which Democrats feel very disappointed in

870
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: the failure of this administration to live up to their

871
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: basic promises. Now, I think you are going to continue

872
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: to see a lot of frustration among the Democratic base,

873
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: especially the part of the Democratic base that cares most

874
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: about the issue of abortion rights, that says, where have

875
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: you all been? You know, we knew that this was

876
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: a possibility. And I do want to make the point

877
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: that you know, Obama had a supermajority. The Biden administration

878
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: has control of the Presidency, the Senate, and the House.

879
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: They got rid of the Philbuster. They could enshrine abortion

880
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: rights in law right now. It did not have to

881
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 1: be left to this group of justices, and so as

882
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: someone who is very upset with this decision and really

883
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: abhors it, I'm equally I almost like I expect it

884
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: from this is what I expect Amy Coney, Barrett and

885
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh and co. To ultimately do. The Democrats who

886
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: claim to support these rights have had years and years

887
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: and years to codify it into law and protect against

888
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: the whims of an unelected on accountable Supreme Court, and

889
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: they haven't done it. So I think that's very very

890
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 1: important to note. And I also want to say, because

891
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, that this is maybe the most central

892
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: issue and a determining issue of why Trump got elected

893
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. When he puts out the list of

894
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice and that shores up the evangelical base,

895
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: that was a huge turning point. You know, Hillary Clinton

896
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: was at the MET Gala last night, at the Gilded

897
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: Age themed MET Gala last night, wearing her red ball

898
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: gown with the names of like suffragettes and other women

899
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: who inspire her. I don't know how she escapes any

900
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 1: scrutiny and criticism from people who would be upset about

901
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: this decision when she is the most proximate cause of

902
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: the reason why we have these justices on the court.

903
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: I mean, she ran a terrible campaign, not to mention

904
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: her DNC allies to ring the primary to put this

905
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: terrible candidate as the you know, standard bearer of the

906
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. So I think you also have to look

907
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: at the Democratic leaders who have had every opportunity to

908
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: shore up this right, which is important to not just

909
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: their base, but a lot of people across the political spectrum,

910
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: and they have made every excuse in the book ultimately

911
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: not to act. So make sure you direct some of

912
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: your ire today if you are on the side of

913
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: this issue that I am at those failures across many here. Well,

914
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: there's also one Ruth Bader Ginsburg who deserves a lot

915
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 1: of scrutiny here yea which I've always enjoyed. And there

916
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: are this town is RBG Central, literally where I used

917
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: to live. There are RBG posters everywhere. Every liberal girl's

918
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: got the RBG sweatshirt, bobblehead mug. Some name their dogs cats. Listen,

919
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: if you want to blame a single individual for this

920
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: who had agency over that, it's Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I mean,

921
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: she is the person who refused to retire under Obama

922
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: and everybody was yes queening her at the time because

923
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: she wanted to be retire under Hillary Clinton, and then

924
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: she ultimately died under Donald Trump, and it's her seat

925
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: which ultimately was the deciding vote in order to overturn abortion.

926
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: This looks to be a five to four decision. Yeah, exactly. Vote.

927
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: You're welcome, RBG. You know, like, I mean, seriously, like

928
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: anybody who is real about this needs to reconcile themselves

929
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: with the fact that Rbg's narcissism is the reason that

930
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: this is happening if you are on that side of

931
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: the issue, which is a little bit of a narrative

932
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: violation which I kind of enjoy. Yeah. Well, and I mean, listen,

933
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: we don't love to speak the dead, but those are

934
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: just the facts. That's just a public figure. Yeah, and

935
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: that one obviously yes, or was dead. You have to

936
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: be honest about people, whether they're alive or dead. And

937
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: the honest fact of the matter is that if she

938
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: makes a different choice, which many activists were encouraging her

939
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: to do, this decision goes in a different way and

940
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: you likely have the continued sort of steady erosion. I

941
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: do want to say, I feel like some of the

942
00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: conservative outrage at the fact of the leak versus the

943
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: the focus. You know, there's more of a focus on

944
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: that from the right than on the substance of the decision.

945
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: I think in certain ways in terms of their outreach,

946
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: I think that's a little bit telling, because if they

947
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: felt like this was ultimately just an unambiguous great thing

948
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: for them, then they'd be kind of cool with the leak. Like,

949
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: for example, if a Bergefell, which you know, guarantee the

950
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,479
Speaker 1: right to same sex marriage, if that had been leaked

951
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: ahead of time, I don't think liberals would have been, like,

952
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: you know, apoplectic about the leak. They would have just

953
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: been excited about the decision. So I do think it

954
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a tell that they also

955
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: see this as probably very politically difficult for them. And

956
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: the other piece that I'm frankly just not sure how

957
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: it plays out is the organized effort among the evangelical

958
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: right base to get justices on the Supreme Court to

959
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: effect you this particular outcome has been a central organizing

960
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: principle of Republican politics for decades now. As I said,

961
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: very signific contributor, if not the most significant contributor to

962
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: Donald Trump ultimately getting elected. And so when you lose

963
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: that animating factor, you know, maybe it doesn't really change

964
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: anything because now you still have the well, we got

965
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: to keep our people on there because we don't want

966
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: it to, you know, go back the other way. Or

967
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: we got to make sure to elect Republicans in the

968
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: legislature so they can enshrine this in law. But you know,

969
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: it's also possible that this is which has been so animating,

970
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: effectively being taken off the table for now could also

971
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: have a deflating impact on some of the animating politics

972
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: of the Republican base. Ultimately, I don't know which way

973
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: that goes, but it's going to be interesting to see

974
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: how that ultimately all shakes out. Soccer, there's no way

975
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: to know. Like I said, I grew up around a

976
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: lot of these people, a lot of these evangelicals. This

977
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: is all they care about, this is all they've ever

978
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: cared about. Here in the Northeast, we've got like the

979
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: Catholic mom contingent. A lot of those people will crawl

980
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: over broken glass in order to make sure that abortion

981
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: gets overturned. So I don't know whether they're going to

982
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: continue to come out and vote. If I had to guess,

983
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: that probably gonna come out in big droves in order

984
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: to support Trump because he can run on I'm the

985
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: guy who got it done pretty big, you know, incentive,

986
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: But in long run for organizing, for the church's support

987
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: and the infrastructure that they've always given the socially conservative

988
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: branch of the Republican Party. Honestly, I really don't know.

989
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to me. There's it's possible that

990
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: a human rights campaign phenomenon will happen, like you know,

991
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: the human Rights campaign here in DC. They had all

992
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: this money ahead of obergerfell, and then when it fell,

993
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: they're like, well, now what do we do? Like you know,

994
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: so now they're all in on trans and all this

995
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: other stuff may become dramatically more unpopular, But at the

996
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: time they had a real animating principle and there were

997
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: a central force in our American politics. I mean, you'll

998
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: remember in the two thousand and nine and twenty ten.

999
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they were huge in terms of their condigens.

1000
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I mean, and now you know, the

1001
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: Family Research Council, some of these evangelic concern women of America.

1002
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: These are titanic forces on the right in terms of

1003
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: their endorsement power and more. It's possible that they lose.

1004
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: They'll probably all pivot to you know, CRT or gender

1005
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: ideology possibly, but that's just it doesn't have the same juice, No,

1006
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: And it's a lot of very ephemeral issues, like I mean,

1007
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: I mean, they were so I mean, they got sort

1008
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: of spun up overnight, and that could be replaced by

1009
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: some other moral panic or outrage in three days. But yeah,

1010
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple things here. I mean, another

1011
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: story we were going to cover before this happened was

1012
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: the fact that Biden and the Democrats are like, I

1013
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: guess we're going to run on Trump again in the terms,

1014
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: so we'll just like try to make it about Trump again,

1015
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: even though we had the Glenn Youngkin race and we

1016
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: know this isn't really working for us anymore. I guess

1017
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: that's what we're going to do. And they were actually

1018
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: kind of like secretly glad that Elon Musk might let

1019
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: Trump back on Twitter because they view it the way

1020
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: we do of like, oh good, we get this obnoxious

1021
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: asshole back that we get to point to every single day. Well,

1022
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: I think that thinking is all now completely off the table.

1023
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: This is going to be the mid term strategy for Democrats,

1024
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: and it's a potent one. I mean in terms of

1025
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: motivating Democrats to come out and vote, in terms of

1026
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: where independent stand on the issue, and this is an

1027
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: issue where independences are very much more aligned with with

1028
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: keeping Roe in place than with overturning Roe, and tend

1029
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: to be, you know, sort of in the center. And

1030
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: again Republicans have placed themselves now in the camp of

1031
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: the most extreme view on the issue. So this is

1032
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: going to be potent, and it also does give there

1033
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: is I think a genuine case that you can make

1034
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: that this does endanger things like Obergefel because it does

1035
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: undercut some of the legal rationale and reasoning there. You

1036
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: do have Republicans, you know, sort of, yeah, they want

1037
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: to talk about trans issues, but there's also this whole

1038
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: effort to paint you know, any gay teachers and whatever

1039
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: is groomers and the whole groomer discourse. So I don't

1040
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: think it's insane for Democrats to look and liberals to

1041
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: look at this decision and say, you know, some of

1042
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: these things that we thought were settled may not be

1043
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: so settled when we have a court that is clearly

1044
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: very activist, doesn't really care about president even long standing precedent,

1045
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: and is willing to cater to a conservative base, even

1046
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: when that means completely upending American politics. The other thing

1047
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: I'll say in terms of political impact is I think

1048
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: you're going to have a new group of voters who

1049
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: were not necessarily Bernie Sanders, people who are completely disgusted

1050
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: with the failures of the Democratic Party. I think you'll

1051
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of you know, liberal women who were

1052
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: maybe like Elizabeth Warren type people. I mean, if you

1053
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: ever wanted to point clearly on a cultural issue to

1054
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: the utter failure of the Democratic Party across years and

1055
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: years like here, it is because again, like I said,

1056
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: Obama had a super majority. Okay, Biden, who who has

1057
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: talked about in shrining you know, row In law effectively

1058
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: at the federal law federal level, which you could do,

1059
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: has done nothing on it. Has not been interested in

1060
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: getting rid of the filibuster or even you knowing or

1061
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: amending the filibuster. And so I think this is going

1062
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: to be a very compelling case for a group of

1063
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: voters who has been just sort of like vote blue,

1064
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: no matter who, that the Democratic Party has failed in

1065
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: some really clear and really manifest ways, and that ultimately,

1066
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: even though again in the midterms, I think this will

1067
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: probably serve the Democratic Party and galvanize a base that

1068
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: has been extraordinarily apathetic, give them an issue to run

1069
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: on that where they are in the clear maturity. I

1070
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: do think overall for the Democratic establishment this lays very

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Speaker 1: bare how just absurdly pathetic they have been in terms

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Speaker 1: of standing for and protecting the things that they claim

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Speaker 1: to care about and that they run on every election cycle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I just want to say one thing,

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Speaker 1: which is that in the decision, Alito actually does say

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Speaker 1: Obergafels protected law. So I think it's you can say

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Speaker 1: he's lying if you want to. I'm just you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there is any current political constituency to

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Speaker 1: overturn Obergafel. Fifty five percent of Republicans support the decision.

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Speaker 1: There is not even close to the same level of

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Speaker 1: evangelical lie. But we just it. We just pointed out that,

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Speaker 1: you know, this even goes against the significant portion of

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Speaker 1: the Republican base. I don't put it completely off the table,

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Speaker 1: do I think it's going to happen tomorrow. No, But

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Speaker 1: do I put it completely off the table. No, because

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Speaker 1: I think you do have a court that is, you know,

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Speaker 1: quite activist and quite unconcerned with passport. I could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that's the next battle of the culture. However,

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Speaker 1: the other issue which you mentioned, which is important is

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Speaker 1: on the Democratic row. So I actually went ahead and

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Speaker 1: pulled so in for the first time this year. Actually,

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Speaker 1: the Senate voted on Roe versus Wade, and there was

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Speaker 1: an argument I saw advanced by Senator Sanders that they

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Speaker 1: should break the filibuster. But by my account, the Democrats

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Speaker 1: do not have the vote. So this was February twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. There were forty six ya's in order

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Speaker 1: to protect Row, forty eight nay's, and six not voting. Now,

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00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: the people who were not voting, notably Raphael Warnock. So

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Speaker 1: he's come out on the record as pro choice. Obviously

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Speaker 1: it would be a tough vote for him in Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Another one is Senator Paul in Kentucky. I believe he

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Speaker 1: is pro life. Another one was Senator Luhan New Mexico.

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Speaker 1: He was I believe he was ill at the time.

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Speaker 1: But here is one which was interesting Senator Kennedy of Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: but most importantly was Senator Casey actually out of Pennsylvania,

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00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: so apparently yeah, and then Joe Manchin as well in

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Speaker 1: terms of voting nay on that decision. So those different

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Speaker 1: senators and how they fall. Right, go ahead, you have

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Speaker 1: do you have where are Collins and Murkowski on that count? Right?

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Speaker 1: So okay, let you have Collins. Okay, you do have

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Speaker 1: a couple. Collins was a nay on that vote, and

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Speaker 1: then let me see here, Murkowski was also a nae.

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Speaker 1: So you do have a couple of Republicans who you know,

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Speaker 1: Let's take a good point though, because Mansion says he's

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Speaker 1: pro life, right, he would probably you know, vote against

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Speaker 1: Roe being codified in federal law. But Collins and Murkowski

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Speaker 1: at least claimed to be pro choice. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: you know, Collins famously that she didn't think Brett Kavanaugh

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Speaker 1: would overturn Roe versus. Wait, okay, how did that work

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Speaker 1: out for you? Like that would clearly I think that

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Speaker 1: was a pre election clearly not the case, definitely a

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Speaker 1: pre election move. But so I think, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you lost a couple Democrats, there might be a couple

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Speaker 1: of Republicans you could ultimately pick up. And then the

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Speaker 1: other side of this is if Republicans do take control

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Speaker 1: of Congress, and I think we have c three that

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00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: we can put up here this Forbes tear sheet, there

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Speaker 1: is an organized effort to try to push a law

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Speaker 1: that would ban abortion nationwide if Supreme Court it overturns

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Speaker 1: Row versus Wade. You've got leading anti abortion groups and

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Speaker 1: their allies in Congress meeting behind the scenes to plan

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Speaker 1: a national strategy that would kick in if the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court rolls back abortion rights this summer, including a push

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Speaker 1: for a strict nationwide ban on the procedure if Republicans

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Speaker 1: retake power in Washington. Now, I don't know whether you have.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I would say, as I said before,

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party very responsive to this group of activists

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Speaker 1: because they're very organized, because they're single issue voters, because

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Speaker 1: they're very much like you know, they're very much a part,

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Speaker 1: a core part of the Republican activist base. And so

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Speaker 1: even in states where something like this would be pretty unpopular,

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Speaker 1: you're going to see senators who back it and members

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Speaker 1: of Congress who back it because of their responsiveness to that,

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01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, more extreme views of the Republican base on

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Speaker 1: this issue. Now, do I think it ultimately would have

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Speaker 1: enough votes, I don't know, But in terms of the

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Speaker 1: politics for the midterms, it really doesn't matter because there's

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Speaker 1: a very you can run on it. You can, there's

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Speaker 1: everything you need here to make a very credible case

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Speaker 1: that they would want to head in this direction. So

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Speaker 1: you know, Democrats can say to voters in California and

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Speaker 1: New York other states, blue states where you know, these

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Speaker 1: laws aren't going to be impacted by Row versus way

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Speaker 1: being overturned, like you know, you shouldn't feel so safe

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Speaker 1: here ultimately, because Republicans are not content with just half

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Speaker 1: of the states having abortion effectively and or extremely severely restricted.

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Speaker 1: They're actually coming for the whole thing and these I

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Speaker 1: also think these senators and members of Congress will be

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Speaker 1: under tremendous pressure from the activist evangelical right to pass

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Speaker 1: a measure such as this, because now it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court has done their part, where are you on

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Speaker 1: this issue that you've been telling us is core to

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Speaker 1: your belief system for years? So they will be under

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Speaker 1: pressure to pass and codify something like a nationwide band.

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Speaker 1: Don't underestimate the Catholic Church either. They're going to go

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Speaker 1: full bore on this one. They have a lot of

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Speaker 1: power here in Washington and over a lot of the

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Speaker 1: northeastern Republican types as well. So yeah, look, I think

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Speaker 1: the TLDR from this whole segment is going to change

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Speaker 1: politics forever. This is the one thing that could possibly

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Speaker 1: rescue the Democrats. It will scramble a lot of the

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Speaker 1: way that we talk and we debate for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, it could activate the PMC kind of

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Speaker 1: liberal contingent and against the Democratic Party, which definitely could

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Speaker 1: be interesting. Could also change the way that Biden and

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Speaker 1: the Democrats and Chuck Schumer run the Senate. It's going

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Speaker 1: to change possibly the way that they'll try and get

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Speaker 1: something through the House. So buckle up, get ready. It's

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Speaker 1: a whole new era. Okay. At the same time, though

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Speaker 1: it is primary day, there are bill elections happening here

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Speaker 1: too in Washington. That's right or sorry, here in America.

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Speaker 1: So the biggest one everybody's eyes are on. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this up there on the screen is the Ohio Senate

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Speaker 1: race where the Republican Senate primary to replace retiring Senator

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Speaker 1: Rob Portman. So obviously that is between JD. Vance, who's

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Speaker 1: been endorsed by Donald Trump, Mike Gibbons, Matt Dolan, Jane Timpkin,

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Speaker 1: and Josh Mandel. I always say these types of segments

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Speaker 1: full disclosure. I've been friends with JD. Vance for like

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Speaker 1: seven years, So take anything that I say with a

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Speaker 1: grain of salt. I think it's important that people know

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Speaker 1: that whenever you're giving analysis about a certain type of campaign. Now,

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Speaker 1: in terms of how the polls are going for him,

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Speaker 1: let's put this up there on the screen from Real

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Speaker 1: Clear Politics. So Vance was not doing so well. It

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Speaker 1: was roughly tied there with Josh Mandell until Trump came

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Speaker 1: into the race and endorsed him a couple of weeks out.

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Speaker 1: So green line. He's the green line for those who

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Speaker 1: are just watching there. He currently clocks in on the

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Speaker 1: day of the election at twenty six percent. I'll keep

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Speaker 1: in mind these are averages of just two polls from

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Speaker 1: the Trafalgar Group and from Emerson. We don't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of high quality polling out of this race. It

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Speaker 1: truly anything could happen now. Number two Josh Mandel at

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Speaker 1: twenty two point five percent, then Dolan at twenty one

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Speaker 1: point five. Dolan is an interesting character. So Dolan is

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Speaker 1: a multi millionaire owner I guess Cleveland what is it

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Speaker 1: called now, the Garden Guardian? Okay, the Cleveland guard And

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01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: this is relevant by the way to the race. So

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01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: one of the owners of this team. So he has

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Speaker 1: burned about ten million dollars of his own money in

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Speaker 1: ads in order to try and buy the nomination. Now,

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Speaker 1: to be fair, he's actually a very anti Trump, criticized

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Speaker 1: Trump whenever it came to January sixth, So a lot

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Speaker 1: of never Trump folks are looking at this and, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of hoping that it'll play out. I honestly have

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Speaker 1: no idea. I had to bet. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna win. My understanding is that he's not exactly anti

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Speaker 1: Trump in that he said he voted for him twice,

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Speaker 1: that he would vote for him again if he's the nominee.

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Speaker 1: But he takes the approach of like time to move

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Speaker 1: on from the elections. Yeah, and he's very clear about

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Speaker 1: it too, So he's sort of carved down this his

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Speaker 1: His theory of the case is that you have Mandel

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Speaker 1: and Vance and whoever the other one is that Mandel

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Speaker 1: almost got in a fight with given they're kind of

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Speaker 1: fighting over the same pool of like, you know, superstaunchly

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Speaker 1: Trump pro Trump voters, and they're all angling to be

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Speaker 1: like the most pro Trump and you know, gett in

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Speaker 1: his best graces, which it is sort of sad to

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Speaker 1: watch the way that this just becomes a single issue

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Speaker 1: race around like who is the most who's a real

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Speaker 1: Trump candidate? And so he basically says, Okay, you all

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Speaker 1: can fight over that group of voters, which is almost

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01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: undeniably the you know, majority of the Republican Party. But

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Speaker 1: because you have a divide here, I'm going to go

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Speaker 1: after this group that isn't so excited about talking about

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Speaker 1: January sixth and a rigged election for the rest of

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Speaker 1: their entire lives. And here in the final days, there

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Speaker 1: have been multiple polls that show him definitely surging here

1240
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Speaker 1: at the end, I think that part seems pretty undeniable.

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Speaker 1: Will he be able to make up ground and you know,

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Speaker 1: actually best JD Vance, who seems to be in the

1243
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Speaker 1: pole position right now, hard to say. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a probably still you know, it's definitely still JD's race

1245
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: to lose at this point. But it is interesting that

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Speaker 1: that surge and that strategy, and he also has been

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Speaker 1: until very recently effectively immune. People weren't really focusing on it.

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Speaker 1: So they're beating each you know, their Club for Growth,

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Speaker 1: beating up JD. Vance and the two other ones almost

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Speaker 1: getting in a fist five, and like lots of muzzlinging

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Speaker 1: between the three of them. And he's sort of come

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01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 1: through unscathed until very recently when they saw him rising

1253
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: in the polls. And now the central attack on him

1254
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: is like, how could you change the name of the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Indians to the Cleveland Guardians. We're horrified, which is funny.

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Speaker 1: I mean, TRAVI a pretty good attack and something about

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Speaker 1: it said something about it too. Whatever. He put out

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Speaker 1: a statement, so you know what you reference. There is

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Speaker 1: a very interesting civil war. They'll try and break down

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Speaker 1: as best as I can. Josh Mandel's race is being

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Speaker 1: run by Ted Cruz's former campaign manager, and Ted cruz World,

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Speaker 1: kind of what I call the true con world is

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Speaker 1: all in on Josh Mandel. They hate JD. Vance mostly

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Speaker 1: because of his position on economics, and they don't view

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Speaker 1: him as trustworthy. They've been trying to hit him with

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Speaker 1: never Trump. So then the Club for Growth, which is

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Speaker 1: extraordinary libertarian and its economic outlook, has been going after JD.

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Speaker 1: JD has been countering them, saying calling them the Club

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Speaker 1: for Chinese Growth, which I think is funny. This culminated

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Speaker 1: in a major fight between Donald Trump and JD Vance

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Speaker 1: and the Club for Growth because after Trump endorsed JD,

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Speaker 1: basically David McIntosh, the head of the Club for Growth,

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Speaker 1: made it known he will be putting out continuing more

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Speaker 1: hundred like tens of millions of dollars behind Josh. So

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Speaker 1: Trump had his advisor test text David McIntosh and say

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Speaker 1: go fuck yourself with so clearly, you know, a big

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Speaker 1: wark and the Club for Growth is a major spender

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Speaker 1: of cash on the Republican side. It's you know, up

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Speaker 1: there with commerce long time, right, I mean massive, you know,

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Speaker 1: going back to the tea party days. Coke funded very libertarian,

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Speaker 1: pro business, kind of a big business in their outlook.

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Speaker 1: That is a proxy fight really of almost Ted Cruz

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen because he's allied with the Club for Growth

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01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: versus like Trump. Maga world has subsubstance to it. But

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Speaker 1: it's also very odd because the Club has also endorsed

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Speaker 1: Blake Masters in Arizona, who is like frankly even just

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Speaker 1: as much of a populist type Republican senator. It's weird.

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Speaker 1: I don't exactly know what's going on. If I could

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Speaker 1: really characterize it for people, it's Ted Cruz versus Donald

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: Trump all over again, and like and again, Cruse is

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Speaker 1: probably gonna lose. Cruz is touring the state right now,

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Speaker 1: actually with Josh Mandel and Holly I think is there.

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Speaker 1: I'm Behalpa's on there on behalf of Jada Van. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to Jordan Cheriton, who's on the ground in Ohio,

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Speaker 1: and he got some exclusive interviews with voters, Republican voters

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Speaker 1: who were coming out of a JD Vance event, So

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Speaker 1: you know, these are people who are likely to be

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Speaker 1: inclined towards JD Vance. The thing that I found more

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Speaker 1: most interesting about what they had to say is, of

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01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: course Jordan asked every one of them like, what do

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Speaker 1: you think about the stuff that he said about Trump before?

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01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: And all of them again, this is coming out of

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01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: a JD Vance event, so keep that in mind. But

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01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: even the ones who were undecided said I don't really care.

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01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: I knew I Some of them were like, I wasn't

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01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: sure about Trump. Some were like I knew plenty of

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01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: people who weren't sure about Trump at the beginning, and

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01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: there was very much like he owned up to his

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01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: mistakes and it's okay. So I do think, you know,

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01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: I do think that Trump giving him the nod sort

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01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: of made it okay for voters to be like, Okay,

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01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: he made a mistake, in their view, a mistake, and

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01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: now he's come to see the light and he's one

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01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: of us. There's even one woman who was like, oh,

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01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: the people who changed their mind about Trump, those are

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01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: the best people, so forgiving you so anyway, anyway, I

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01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: guess I guess Trump coming in endorsing him, there's no

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01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: doubt that has definitely had a significant impact on the race.

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01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: And even if Vance ultimately gets edged down by what's

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01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: his face, dolen, I think that you still have to

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01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: look at this race and see that, you know, Trump

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: really did play a kind of kingmaker here and significantly

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01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: up ended the thing. Peter tele also, you know, billionaire

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01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: very significant in this race because at the beginning, Jade

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01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: Vance was not doing well. They were running ads with

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Speaker 1: all of his old Trump comments. It was not landing

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01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,799
Speaker 1: well with people, and so he was doing extremely poorly.

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Speaker 1: And the two forces that really kind of propped him

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01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: up were Peter Teel from the money perspective and Tucker

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01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: Carlson from the media perspective. And the reporting is at

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01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: Tucker and Don Junior were very influential in getting Trump

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01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: to ultimately give him the nut. There was a little

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01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: bit of an indication that maybe Trump's whole heart wasn't

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01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: into this thing, or he just like endorsed whoever he

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01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: was told to endorse here ultimately because he didn't quite

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Speaker 1: get the name right. Let's take a listen to that sound.

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Speaker 1: That's what they're waiting for. They're waiting for one race.

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Speaker 1: You know. We've endorsed doctor Oz, We've endorsed JP, right,

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01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: j D Mandel, and he's doing great. They're all doing

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Speaker 1: good JP, JP Mandel, j D Mandel. Wow, Okay, true

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01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: Turner Crystal Yeah okay. So big race for the left

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01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: in the future of the Democratic Party also happening in

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Speaker 1: Ohio right now. As you guys may remember, Nina Turner,

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01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: who was Senator Sanders campaign co chair and of course

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01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: has been with Bernie from the start, ran in a

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01:10:54,840 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: special election two years ago for Congress against chantal around

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01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: ultimately pretty close race. They ran a lot of ads

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01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: replaying her comments that say that said like voting for

1349
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: Biden was like eating half a bull of shit, and

1350
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: that really landed, and they had an overwhelming amount of

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01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: money from Trump line Republicans, from corporate back to places,

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01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: and every sort of Democratic establishment person flooding in Jim

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: Clyburn really coming in, and ultimately Chantel Brown is able

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01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: to beat Nina Turner by about five points, ultimately in

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Speaker 1: the end, after Nina had been way ahead originally in

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01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: the polls in this Cleveland, Ohio district. So now you

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Speaker 1: have Nina taking another crack at it, and there are

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Speaker 1: a couple of things that are different here. First of all,

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Speaker 1: you do have, as we just covered, a very heated

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Speaker 1: primary on the Republican side, and so last time around,

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Speaker 1: Chantale Brown benefited from thousands of Republicans who actually voted

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic primary for her, and so you know

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01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,799
Speaker 1: those Republicans this time around, they're going to be engaged

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Speaker 1: in the j JP Mandel race and unlikely to have

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01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: those crossover votes for chan Telbron. So that's one piece.

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Speaker 1: The other piece is that and let's go ahead and

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01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: put this Cleveland Plaine Dealer tears sheet up on the

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01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: screen here, that says Democrat Chantel Brown and need a

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Speaker 1: turn her face off again in redrawn eleventh Congressional district.

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Speaker 1: And that's the key piece is. So now the district incorporates,

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Speaker 1: my understanding, is effectively all of Cleveland, which Nina Turner

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Speaker 1: won last time around, and also incorporates another piece of

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Speaker 1: territory where Bernie Sanders one previously. So the thought is

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Speaker 1: this is more progressive terrain. About thirty percent of the

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Speaker 1: district is new, and so the thinking within the Turner

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Speaker 1: camp is that you know this is a more favorable landscape,

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Speaker 1: just literal landscape in terms of the lines of the district,

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01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 1: and also that you are less likely to have those

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Speaker 1: Republican crossover votes. So there has been very little and

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Speaker 1: I should put my caveat on the table as you

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Speaker 1: did with Jadie Vance. Nina is a longtime, dear, close

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Speaker 1: personal friend, and I love her very much and I

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Speaker 1: think she's a wonderful person and would be a wonderful

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Speaker 1: member of Congress. So those are my biases on the table. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I didn't know whether this was a realistic path,

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Speaker 1: whether there was actually really a chance that she could

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Speaker 1: actually win. She explained it to me, and it made

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01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 1: sense to me. But there's very little pulling ultimately in

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: this race, so I just didn't know. But there have

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01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: been some signs that the establishment is very worried about

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Speaker 1: how this is ultimately going, because they are once again

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01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 1: flooding the zone and really pressuring members of Congress to

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Speaker 1: come in for Chantell Brown. All the way up to

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Speaker 1: let's put this next piece up on the screen. Joe

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01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: Biden himself has waded into this race to endorse Chantel

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01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: Brown over Nina Turner. Meanwhile, this is something we have

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Speaker 1: talked about, I think on this show before. You have

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Speaker 1: the Congressional Progressive Caucus of which Chantal Brown is a member,

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01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: but she is also a member of the like conservative

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Speaker 1: like pro getting rid of a sault tax cap, basically

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01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: new blue dog caucus. They're called the Democrat what are they,

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01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,600
Speaker 1: the new leaders? What the heck are their name? The

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01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: New Democrat that's what they are, the New Democrat Caucus.

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01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: But it's like the conservative Democratic Caucus. So she's not

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01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: really progressive, but she wanted to get that label. So

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01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: the Congressional Progressive Caucus, and my understanding is from inside sources,

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01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: under great pressure, decides to endorse Chantel Brown, which is

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01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 1: outrageous considering what a backbone of the progressive movement Nina

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01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: Turner has been and what an icon she is ultimately

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01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: in that community. It's not only that members of the

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: squad totally silent. Bernie Sanders endorsed her a couple of

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01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: weeks back, and that was, you know, that was significant,

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01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: and that mattered and probably helped her with with fundraising,

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01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: with excitement and all of those things. But up until

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01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: literally last night, not one member of the Squad had endorsed.

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01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: So there's a couple things to say about this. Number one,

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: the just utter betrayal and pathetic nature of the so

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01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: called Progressive Caucus and the you know, the Squad and

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01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: all of that. That's one piece. The other piece is

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Speaker 1: the fact that the establishment has thrown the Biden endorsement,

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton endorsement. Clyburn came to the district, a king,

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01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: Jeffreys came to the district. You had other you know,

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01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: significant like heavy hitters and Democratic establishment politics actually come

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01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: into the district for Chantel Brown. That did kind of

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01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: tell me that all right, at the very least, they're

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01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: seeing some polling that says they're in the danger zone

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01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: here that they've got to act, and a lot of

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01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: money coming in and a new pack that was formed,

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01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: the mainstream Democrat pack that's explicitly like against the Bernie

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01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: Sanders left, lots of money flooding in on behalf of

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Speaker 1: Chantel Brown, and the pressure from the Congressional Black Caucus

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Speaker 1: in particular on their members, people like Corey Bush, to

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Speaker 1: stay out of the race or to endorse on the

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01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: behalf of Chantel Brown again indicated to me like they're

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01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: seeing something that says that Nina has a chance in

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Speaker 1: this race. And then back to the squad. Last night,

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Speaker 1: us put AOC up on the screen here with twelve

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01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:08,879
Speaker 1: hours before election day voting starts, and keeping in mind

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01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: that early voting has been going on for quite some

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01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: time now, AOC decides to check the box and wait

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01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: into this race, sending out a fundraising pitch. Now, I'm

1442
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: not trying to be an asshole here. You check the

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01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: box and that's better than I can say for any

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01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: of your fellow squad members. Coming in with twelve hours

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01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: before election is not going to do a goddamn thing,

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01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: not one thing. You can't organize around it. People won't

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01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: even find out and she or do, I mean, this

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01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 1: is and if you did, let's say, you know this

1449
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 1: fundraising pitch, let's say does raise any money? What does

1450
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: it matter? You can't book TV ads at this point.

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01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: It may personally help. Mean if she has debt on

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01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,719
Speaker 1: the campaign, okay, that's good, But in terms of affecting

1453
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 1: the outcome of the race, this matters not at all.

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01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: So again and Mary and Williamson pointed this out on Twitter.

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: The only really reason to endorse at the very last

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01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: twelve hours before an election. I've never seen that before

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01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: is because you look at the landscape and you think, oh,

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01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,759
Speaker 1: this person might win, and I want to hedge my bets.

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01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know what's going to happen here. We're

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01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: going to talk to Jordan Charton. He's got a better

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01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 1: sense of what's happening on the ground. But I can

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01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: tell you there are some tea leaves that indicate at

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01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: least that Nina has put Chantel Brown in a difficult

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01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: position and has a fighter's chance at this thing. So

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Speaker 1: that's interesting. Yeah, I mean, the AOC point is obviously

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01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 1: pretty pretty telling. I mean it could be a good thing.

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Speaker 1: If you want Nina Turner to win. Maybe she's privy

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01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: to private polling. Well that's right, Yeah, she's going to

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01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: try and take credit for it. So that's possible in

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01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 1: terms of the way that it all goes down. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty interesting in terms of I just

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Speaker 1: don't get, you know, and luck, we could spend hours

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01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: on this. The Tea Party people they never cared when

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01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: Bayner would be like, you need to endorse somebody, they

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01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: actually got points whenever they would say, screw you, Bayner,

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01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to go endorse whoever I want, you know,

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01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: against what was his name, the House Jory leader who

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01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: lost his seat, Oh, Eric Canter? Eric Canter, right, Eric Canton?

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01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean Dave Bratt. Like that guy was a hero

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01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: and the people who all supported him were heroes too.

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01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: So I don't get how the most radical members of

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01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: the squad are so still willing to bow to the

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01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: Democratic leadership. I truly don't understand the dynamic there. Yeah,

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01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean there's there. We could spend a long time

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01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: like the psychology of that, and the Republican base is

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01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: the Democratic base. There's no doubt the Republican base has

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Speaker 1: a lot more sway with the Republican caucus than the

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01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 1: like you know, than the Democratic base ultimately has with

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01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: Democratic caucus. See the whole conversation we just had about

1490
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 1: Roe versus wait for more examples of that. Listen on AOC.

1491
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: I guess I would rather she checked the box than

1492
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: the people who didn't. But I just want you all

1493
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: to know, if Nina Turner does prevail, it didn't have

1494
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: anything to do with AOC coming in at last minute, because,

1495
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 1: as someone who at least ran one campaign myself and

1496
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: has been involved in a lot of campaigns, an endorsement

1497
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: the night before voting starts, when early voting has been

1498
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 1: going on for weeks and weeks, when the TV ads

1499
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: are already booked, This cake is already baked. AOC coming

1500
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,480
Speaker 1: in in the last minute will not affect the outcome

1501
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: for good or for ill either way. So again, okay,

1502
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: you check the box. That's better than I can say

1503
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: for your colleagues, but you get no credit if Nina

1504
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: Durnal ultimately prevails in this race. Yeah, all right, we have,

1505
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:24,759
Speaker 1: in my opinions, very unfortunate but not entirely unforeseen news

1506
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: to report on the latest Amazon union election, which is

1507
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: that the second election, this one also on Staten Island

1508
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: at a sorting facility crossed the street from the original

1509
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: victorious union election has gone down to defeat. Let's go ahead.

1510
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: Put the vote tally. Ultimately not all that close. You

1511
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: had three hundred and eighty voting in favor of the union.

1512
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: You had six hundred and eighteen voting against. This was

1513
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: a smaller facility, and you know, and let's go in.

1514
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: But Chris Mall's, of course, interim President of Amazon Labor

1515
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: Union statement up on the screen. He says, despite today's outcome,

1516
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm proud of the worker organizers of LDJ five. They

1517
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: had a tougher challenge after our victory at JFK eight.

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01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: Our leads should be extremely proud to have given their

1519
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 1: coworkers a right to join a union. Amazon Lee will

1520
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: continue to organize, and so should all of you. He

1521
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: goes on to say, nothing changes, we organize. Don't be

1522
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: discouraged or sad. So I think I'd love to talk

1523
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: to Christian about what he thinks happened here and why

1524
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: the outcome was ultimately different. But some of the indications

1525
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: we had early was First of all, Chris and Derek

1526
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,799
Speaker 1: Palmer they were in the other warehouse, so their deeper

1527
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: relationships were likely in that warehouse. So that just makes

1528
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: sense in and of itself. The second piece is that

1529
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: this is a facility with a lot of part time workers,

1530
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 1: and that's just a very different and much more difficult challenge, frankly,

1531
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: in terms of organizing. And then the third factor I

1532
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: think is that you know Amazon did I think they

1533
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: probably underestimated Chris like many people did going into the

1534
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: first union election. They would not make that mistake again.

1535
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 1: They stepped up their union busting efforts. Something we shared

1536
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: with you yesterday which just indicative of the kind of

1537
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: games that they play. Go ahead and put this sweet

1538
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: up on the screen, is that the day after the

1539
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: union election, Oh, this says the lawyer for Amazon, Labor

1540
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 1: is planning on challenging I wouldn't expect it to change

1541
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: the resolutely election, but then again you had Bessemer's overturn

1542
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: and a redo, so you just never know. So we'll

1543
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 1: put that in there. Put the next one up on

1544
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 1: the screen, though, which is that Amazon will wait until

1545
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 1: the day after the election to announce that they're not

1546
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 1: going to give pay workers who are outsick with COVID

1547
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: or even in form workers when someone at their warehouse

1548
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: tests positive for COVID. This comes down after the voting

1549
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: already happened, so just indicative of the type of games

1550
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: that they ultimately play here. What I would say is

1551
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 1: just a reminder if you are a union supporter, as

1552
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: I am, that with Starbucks early on, first of all,

1553
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: the votes were much closer. They suffered a couple of

1554
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: early defeats before going on to a nationwide wave. The

1555
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 1: deck is still stacked, and you know, the game is

1556
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: still rigged in a lot of ways. When it comes

1557
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: to union elections, there will be setbacks, but this in

1558
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: no way like changes the direction and the energy and

1559
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: the historic nature of what Chris Mall's and his workers'

1560
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 1: allies there have already accomplished on stat Nyland. Yeah, no,

1561
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: it's it's very extraordinary, obviously, but you know, this just

1562
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 1: was frankly a pretty expected outcome. That's basically what we said.

1563
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: It's of course the COVID news there from Amazon is

1564
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: absolutely hilarious. Luckily, we do have some footage from Jordan

1565
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 1: Sheridan when he was there at the time ahead of

1566
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 1: the organizing just want to give you guys, you know,

1567
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: exclusive look always at some of the footage that we have.

1568
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen by the whole world seeing what

1569
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 1: we're doing. They will be inspired by the efforts that

1570
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: we're putting in that will make them on the unionize

1571
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: across the globe anywhere, any Amazon facility from different states,

1572
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: or any working place around the world, knowing that this

1573
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: is the time, this is the generation where you could

1574
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: have your your voice could be heard. Back in the days,

1575
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't like that as as years of you know,

1576
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: other people fighting for the struggle, fighting to unionize make

1577
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: a working, working class world for employees a better place.

1578
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 1: So this is the time they could see this moment

1579
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: and it is very important, it's very significant. So we

1580
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: just got the news that the boat came in. Just

1581
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 1: tell me how you feelerate Yeah, I feel, you know,

1582
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: I feel the weight of the loss for the organizers

1583
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 1: who have risked their jobs, who have risked their livelihoods,

1584
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 1: right for their families, and so much sometimes arrest even

1585
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 1: to to work so hard to organize this warehouse. And

1586
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: I also am not entirely surprised because you know, if

1587
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 1: you remember Starbucks unionization efforts. They lost their second vote too.

1588
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,839
Speaker 1: I think that that happens a lot of times because

1589
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 1: after that first victory, they really clamped down right and

1590
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: the union busting escalated. It's a smaller warehouse, so they

1591
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: were able to more effectively target the workers and promote

1592
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, misinformation and negative narratives about the organizers themselves.

1593
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: And I think that that's what's the saddest is that

1594
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: they've tried to weaponize, you know, the the just the

1595
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: normal human vanity of the other organizers to say, oh,

1596
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 1: these people aren't perfect, and therefore you shouldn't support them.

1597
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 1: So I think everyone's feeling it. But what I know

1598
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 1: about these workers is that they've taken l's before and

1599
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 1: they just keep fighting. So that was from Jordan's cameraman

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01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 1: who was there on the ground as the decision was

1601
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 1: ultimately coming down. And listen, I think the big question

1602
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 1: is what happens now? So do we see is this

1603
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: like kind of you know, one and done, it's an

1604
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: ally or that's what the Amazon corporate folks are definitely hoping,

1605
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 1: or is it like Starbucks where this got the ball rolling?

1606
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: And now Christian has already told us that hundreds of

1607
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 1: workers from hundreds over one hundred different facilities across the

1608
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: country have reached out to him about organizing. Now, do

1609
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,799
Speaker 1: you have that Starbucks esque wildfire like spread? And ultimately

1610
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 1: only time will tell. We'll see, Crystal. What are you

1611
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: taking a look at? In the face of disappointing news

1612
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 1: about Amazon workers rejecting a unionization at a Staten Island

1613
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: sorting facility, Washington Post has some potentially significant news which

1614
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: shows that setbacks or not, the new emboldened labor movement

1615
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: is taking America by storm. Take a look at this. So,

1616
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: according to our friend Jeff Stein and also Greg Jaffy,

1617
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: Biden is considering inviting Starbucks and Amazon workers at the

1618
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 1: forefront of these new union efforts to the White House

1619
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: for a visit. Now, this would represent a significant, albeit

1620
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: symbolic step forward for an administration that has gone out

1621
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: of their way to signal neutrality on union fights. You

1622
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: might recall just recently, Biden seemed to side with Amazon

1623
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: workers during the speech before Jen Saki immediately walked it

1624
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: back from the podium. As a side note, Saki is

1625
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: a former employee of the heavy hitting Democratic Party consulting

1626
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 1: firm that was caught helping Amazon with their union busting efforts,

1627
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 1: but I digress a White House visit would also put

1628
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 1: a new face on the labor movement, helping to elevate

1629
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 1: the young leaders we've been talking about in interviewing here

1630
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:50,600
Speaker 1: on our show, people like, of course, Christian Smalls, Angelica Muldonado,

1631
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: and Derek Palmer from Amazon, and people like the Rhodes

1632
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: scholar turned Starbucks revolutionary Jazz Brysack. Now, Jazz was at

1633
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: the forefront of the Starbucks union effort, helping to organize

1634
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 1: the very first unionized Starbucks. That's the Elmwood location in Buffalo,

1635
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: And she doesn't exactly look like the stereotypical burly hard

1636
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: hat wearing emblem of the union movement. Jazz was actually

1637
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: homeschooled in Tennessee and inspired by the words of stored

1638
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: socialist Eugene Debs, who proclaimed that while there is a

1639
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,600
Speaker 1: lower class, I am in it, and while there is

1640
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 1: a criminal element, I am of it, and while there

1641
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: is a sole in prison, I am not free. This

1642
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: led Jazz to extensive study of the labor movement, a

1643
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: full scholarship to University of Mississippi, and ultimately a Rhodes scholarship.

1644
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: The first woman from the University of Mississippi to ever

1645
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 1: receive one. So when she landed at the Elmhurst Starbucks

1646
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, she was ready. But what she could not

1647
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,839
Speaker 1: have known was that so many others would be willing.

1648
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 1: Jazz Is Union organizing along with her, coworkers lit a fuse,

1649
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: uniquely meeting the moment and speaking to the shared frustrations

1650
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 1: of millions of workers across the country. In fact, that

1651
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 1: first Elmhurst victory sparked a nationwide landslide. As we speak,

1652
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: the nascent Starbucks Workers United movement has do feed it

1653
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: the multi billion dollar multinational Starbucks and their illegal union

1654
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:08,480
Speaker 1: busting tactics in forty four out of forty seven elections,

1655
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: I think that's the final count, but they keep racking

1656
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: up wins. Many of those victories were unanimous or they

1657
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: were nearly unanimous. Thirteen New stores voted yes in just

1658
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: the last week alone. And by the way, they're just

1659
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 1: getting started here. Well over two hundred Starbucks around the

1660
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: nation have union votes scheduled. They are notching victories everywhere,

1661
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 1: from starbucks hometown of Seattle to read right to work states,

1662
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:32,440
Speaker 1: places like New Wins in Augusta, Georgia, and Boone North Carolina.

1663
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: Now might seem surprising that a highly educated scholar would

1664
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 1: help lead a working class revolution, but the truth is

1665
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: it's really only too appropriate. Today, fifty seven percent of

1666
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 1: gen Z will go to college, but despite the hollow

1667
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: promises of college as a glide pass to middle class stability,

1668
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 1: many young college grads are forced into entry level service

1669
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: sector or blue collar jobs at places like Amazon and

1670
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 1: places like Starbucks. Somewhere around forty percent of college gods

1671
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: are under employed. That means working in jobs that do

1672
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: not require that four year degree. And that's of course

1673
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: to say nothing of those who went to community college

1674
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: or who started college but didn't finish a four year degree.

1675
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: In fact, Starbucks stands out in the food service industry

1676
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: for having a workforce that is comparatively more highly educated

1677
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 1: than other large food service change and Starbucks workers are also,

1678
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: on average younger than other food service change I don't

1679
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: think it's an accident that these younger, more educated workers

1680
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 1: would be at the vanguard of the new labor movement.

1681
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 1: The younger you are, the more likely you are to

1682
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 1: support Bernie Sanders and also to support labor unions as

1683
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: a whole, and the more educated you are, the more

1684
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: likely you are to feel like even if you get

1685
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: fired for union organizing, you're probably going to be able

1686
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: to land on your feet with another gig. In other words,

1687
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: looking at the reality of today's working class, Jazz is

1688
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 1: not an outlier. Even her socialist politics are not fringe

1689
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 1: for her generation. Get comfortable with liberal arts grads who

1690
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: put their pronouns in their bios as the new face

1691
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: of the American working class. It makes sense, doesn't it.

1692
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: I can certainly imagine how checking all the boxes of

1693
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 1: taking on the debt, going to the four year college,

1694
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 1: getting your degree like they told you to, only to

1695
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,480
Speaker 1: find yourself taking orders from your friend's parents at Starbucks

1696
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 1: has got to be a bit of a radicalizing experience.

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Speaker 1: And when we spoke to Professor Richard Wolf yesterday, he

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Speaker 1: explained exactly what that radicalization looks like. What you're seeing

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01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: is a whole generation that has absorbed these hits. There's

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Speaker 1: not a word to say it hits to the working class,

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01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 1: the middle class of his country. They're seeing it in

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Speaker 1: their parents, They're seeing it in their strange school finances.

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Speaker 1: They're seeing it in the quality of the jobs their

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Speaker 1: seniors graduating seniors for the last two or three years

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Speaker 1: have been able to get the number of them that

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Speaker 1: are looking forward to being a barista in a coffee shop,

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01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 1: or driving an uber car, or whatever it is they

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01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: end up doing that. They're living out the constriction of

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Speaker 1: the American dream. It's being pulled away from them, and

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01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: it's very painful for them to see the implicit promises

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01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: made to them by the school, by their parents, by

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01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: the society, a a whole shrinking out of view, out

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01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 1: of their grasp. They are upset, and they're beginning to

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01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 1: think through that maybe mobilization in a labor movement is

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01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: some kind of way forward when there looked to be

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01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: no other ways. And for those of us who have

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01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,640
Speaker 1: studied the unionization drive of the nineteen thirties, that's what

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01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 1: happened then. The Great Depression had to be in place

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01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: from nineteen twenty nine to nineteen thirty two before people

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01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 1: began to realize, oh goodness, we better join the union.

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01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: That may make this bad time a little less bad

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01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 1: than it would otherwise have been. Something like that is

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Speaker 1: underway now. Now. That's not to take anything away from

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Speaker 1: the non college workers who are courageously pushing forward this

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01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: new union movement. Their leadership has been extraordinary and entails

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01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 1: a much greater risk, frankly, since they don't have the

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01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 1: benefit of that credentialed stamp of approval to fall back on.

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01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 1: But college guards have seen firsthand that the past of

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01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: the American dream, laid out by the politicians and by

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01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 1: their Wall Street allies, it was a lie. Now they

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01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: know without a doubt, well, they've got no choice but

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01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 1: to take matters into their own hands. The college grad,

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01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,719
Speaker 1: Rhodes scholar barista is as good an emblem as any

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01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,600
Speaker 1: of the failures of the dominant economic movement of the

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01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: last forty years, and the political consciousness raising doesn't stop

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01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 1: with these young workers either. Part of why these labor

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01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: movement sparks do feel different is because they're hitting iconic

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01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: brands patronized by the upper middle class. How can you

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01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: can certainly imagine how middle class parents might change their

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01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 1: minds about unions when it's their favorite coffee shop brand

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01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 1: being organized and their kid with the college degree who

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01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 1: has the barista job. So, while yes, it'd be far

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01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 1: more impactful for Biden to keep his campaign promise and

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01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,759
Speaker 1: actually deny federal government contracts to union busters like Amazon.

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01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: It would be significant and meaningful to elevate these new

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Speaker 1: revolutionary labor leaders putting on a pedestal a growing labor

1747
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: movement that crosses every divide from race to gender, to

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01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: geography to education status, allowing them to make the case

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01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: directly to him about how he should and could use

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01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: the powers of the government to help them unionize and

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01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: to secure or contracts. And if nothing else, you know,

1752
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: you want to see the drip that Christian Smalls brings

1753
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: to the White House. Soccer, I really have been thinking

1754
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: about the Starbucks thing for a long time, you and

1755
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: I And if you want to hear my reaction to

1756
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 1: Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

1757
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: All right, Soccer, what are you looking at? Well? As

1758
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: a former White House correspondent, I've never really understood why

1759
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 1: the public glamorized it so much. The truth is it's

1760
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: really not a great place to do journalism. You mostly

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01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: follow the president around like a trained monkey. You transcribe

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01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 1: what he says, and then you try to get officials

1763
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 1: on the inside of the building to leak to you

1764
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: if possible. The best thing you can really hope for

1765
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 1: is an interview with the President, which itself is an annoying,

1766
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: negotiated process. I think the reason why, although it's synonymous

1767
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: with journalism, is just because of television and simply be

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01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: the White House Press briefing. It's where I would, of course,

1769
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: often challenge Sarah Sanders or Donald Trump when given the opportunity.

1770
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 1: It's also where a lot of these people make their careers.

1771
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 1: How they ask the questions quite literally determines policy. Because

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01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 1: the White House is only going to pay attention to

1773
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: the stuff that it gets scrutiny for. It's a bad

1774
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 1: systemic problem. The White House is accountable only to journalists

1775
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 1: that it picks. Thus those journalists and what they pick

1776
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: becomes even more important. And that is why I read

1777
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: a recent road profile on White House correspondence with a

1778
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: lot of interest. In the wake of the White House

1779
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 1: Correspondent's Dinner that really gives a game away, Political Magazine

1780
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 1: wrote as if it was a bad thing that there

1781
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: was a rise in a fall of a star White

1782
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 1: House correspondent. The star example that they gave, and no,

1783
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, was Jim Acosta, who used his carnival

1784
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,639
Speaker 1: barking fame to score a weekend CNN show that currently

1785
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: has less ratings than a day when we don't even

1786
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 1: post clips here on breaking points. But the point was

1787
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: made that if you want to be as somebody in media,

1788
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 1: a great way to do it was to appear as

1789
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: if you were adversarial to Trump and his administration on television.

1790
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 1: But now with Biden, all of that has been taken away.

1791
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: One journalist who was a coward and was speaking anonymously

1792
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 1: told political quote Jensaki is very good at her job,

1793
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: which is unfortunate. They add, the work is a lot

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01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: less rewarding because you're no longer saving democracy from Sean

1795
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 1: Spicer and his men's warehouse suit. Jawing with Jen just

1796
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 1: makes you look like an asshole. There it is. It

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01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 1: was rewarding when the person was on TV. Now it's

1798
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 1: not rewarding because the liberal media boss thinks it looks

1799
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 1: bad to challenge the administration to its face. That in

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Speaker 1: a nutshell, is the whole ballgame. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: actually support the racous days of the Trump admin for

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01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 1: everybody because it really was free and open. Now the

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01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 1: journalists have no actual incentive in order to challenge the administration,

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01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 1: which means in effect they are accountable to absolutely nobody

1805
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: in broader media. I've already explained here the seeing chart

1806
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 1: is rigged by the establishment press. The entire thing is fake.

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01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 1: Where they privately admit the game is rigged, and ironically enough,

1808
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 1: they actually admit the path to success within that story,

1809
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 1: noting that the only actual star of the White House

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01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: Press briefing room these days is Peter Doucey of Fox News.

1811
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 1: Now Look. Obviously, Fox has an incentive in order to

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01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 1: challenge President Biden on the Hunter Biden laptop story, migrants,

1813
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 1: or any of the other myriad subjects, but the point

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01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: stands his journalism stands out because he is willing to

1815
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 1: ask about the stuff that nobody else is asking about,

1816
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 1: which then leads to coverage here on our show or

1817
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 1: the wider Internet and contributing to many viral moments. It

1818
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 1: is easy to be a star reporter today for the Internet.

1819
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 1: The problem is that the incentives within the system that

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01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 1: make it so. Being a star and challenging Biden or

1821
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 1: his paid propagandist would be exactly the way to get

1822
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:33,679
Speaker 1: fired or marginalized in your job in the establishment media structure.

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01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: One element that especially rankled me in a story about

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01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 1: the White House Correspondence was a supposition that the Biden

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01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 1: era is boring. Now that is superficially true. He doesn't

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01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 1: tweet about Mika Brazinski having a bad facelift or Stormy

1827
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 1: Daniels calling her a horse face. But we're literally living

1828
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,559
Speaker 1: through some of the craziest political times in modern memory.

1829
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 1: We have crazy inflation, massive gas crisis. We're possibly on

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01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 1: the precipice of a major economic downturn. We have a

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01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 1: major political realignment. Roe versus Wade was revealed as possibly

1832
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 1: overturned today, how the different parties are sorting out. Of course,

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01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 1: we have the Great resignation. We have the end of

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01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 1: the global pandemic. There is the first European war since

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01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,839
Speaker 1: the end of World War II. All of the stories

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01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 1: I just listed require nuance, and more importantly, except for abortion,

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01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 1: they don't really track onto the culture war or the

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01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 1: everyday drama that Washington runs on. Now. Crystal and I

1839
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 1: built our business on that from the very beginning. We

1840
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: do segments far ahead of their time, just to make

1841
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 1: sure we have the research in case something pops, or

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01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: we do it because we just think it's important. The

1843
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 1: most clicked on are viewed on segments are often ones

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01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 1: that matter superficially for that day, but that doesn't mean

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01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: that it's all that you need to know. It's much

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01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 1: harder to tell those stories, and it requires a funding

1847
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 1: model like ours that relies on subscriptions and direct support

1848
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 1: rather than just filling time in between commercial breaks. And

1849
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: by saying the quiet part out loud throughout the article,

1850
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:56,679
Speaker 1: they show us that in reality, there is only one

1851
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 1: way to change this. The whole thing just has to

1852
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:01,799
Speaker 1: be burned to the ground. Cable news as it exists

1853
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 1: and as it always will exist, is not supported to

1854
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: deliver you good journalism. The structure itself is poison. And

1855
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 1: in the current rigged system where the cable news companies

1856
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: get the preferential seats in the White House briefing room

1857
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 1: and command immense attention by the White House, there's no

1858
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 1: matter how much they shrink in size, when they still

1859
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 1: command an incredible amount of attention from the politicos that

1860
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: set the agenda. The entire thing has just got to go,

1861
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 1: and it's going to take a hell of a lot

1862
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 1: of money and effort and time. Look, of course, we

1863
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: are trying to do some of it here, but we

1864
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 1: cannot do that alone. Just like cable news, an entire

1865
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 1: new ecosystem needs to rise up from the ashes and

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01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: make it so. The only way for people who want

1867
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 1: attention is to get it is to align with their

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01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 1: ability to get attention while actually pressuring the White House

1869
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 1: its supply and its demand. And the current supply side

1870
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 1: system only rewards rewards sycophancy and irrelevancy. A new one

1871
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 1: can reward better topics. To give you a perfect example,

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01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 1: YouTube just rolled out a new feature where you can

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01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 1: see some of the top topics that your audience is

1874
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 1: searching for in the aggregate. Some of the expected stuff

1875
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: is there for our channel, like Elon Musk. But guess

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01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 1: what number one for the show the housing market. We've

1877
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,679
Speaker 1: tried our best to cover it, but really think about that.

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01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 1: The conditions of your life are not reflected in the press,

1879
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 1: and thus they are ignored by the leaders. When is

1880
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 1: the last time you even heard a question about that

1881
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 1: in the briefing room? And until you do, we are

1882
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: going to see even more of a disconnect. My only

1883
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 1: faith is that things this fake can only go so

1884
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,840
Speaker 1: long before they break. I think the housing one is

1885
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 1: perfect sample. I mean, look at that number one and

1886
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Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Cyber's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com. Joining us.

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Speaker 1: Now we have Jordan Chariton, our partner over at Status ku,

1889
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Speaker 1: who is on the ground in Ohio tracking the most

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01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: significant primaries there very closely. Jordan, great to see you, Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. First of all, let me give

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01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 1: a shout out to the work you guys do, which

1893
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,679
Speaker 1: has been truly invaluable to us already tracking the Amazon

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01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 1: elected being on the ground in Ohio, So thank you

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01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 1: for that. And guys, if you were able to support

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01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 1: what Status qu does, make sure you go and check

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01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 1: them out. Okay, that out of the way. So we

1898
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:10,640
Speaker 1: already gave a little bit of a preview both of

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Speaker 1: the Ohio primary and of the Nina Turner versus Chantel Brown.

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Speaker 1: But just talk to us a little bit, Jordan, about

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01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 1: what the early vote numbers look like, how things are

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01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:22,720
Speaker 1: shaking out, and whether there are any sort of tea

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01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 1: leaves you can read about what is happening there for

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01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: Nina Turner to start with. Yeah, so the early vote

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01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 1: overall numbers are low. Turnout in primaries traditionally has been

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Speaker 1: pretty low but they're also low in the areas that

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Speaker 1: Chantel Brown really crushed Nina Turner in August, specifically an

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Speaker 1: area Beechwood, which is, you know, a wealthier suburb, has

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Speaker 1: a strong Jewish population. Overall there, the early vote was

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Speaker 1: not good for Chantel Brown, which might explain why she

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Speaker 1: brought in the cavalry this weekend, including Jim Clyburn, Hokiem

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Speaker 1: Jeffries and others. Each Wood, for Chantel Brown numbers were low. Lakewood,

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Speaker 1: which is new to the district. Bernie Sanders actually one

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Speaker 1: Lakewood in twenty sixteen. Twenty twenty, the initial early vote

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Speaker 1: numbers were not smashing or anything, but about eight hundred

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Speaker 1: early in person votes. So that area, which presumably would

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Speaker 1: be favorable to Nina, was better than the Chantal Brown stronghold.

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Speaker 1: And it's raining here today, so that obviously adds something.

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Speaker 1: There's already been issues with polling places and ballots not scanning,

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Speaker 1: so I think it's going to be a close race.

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Speaker 1: But as of now, in the early voting, this Chantal

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Speaker 1: Brown stronghold was not doing so well. Got it, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: You've been on the ground. You captured a pretty interesting

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Speaker 1: moment there with Nina. Do you want to set it

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Speaker 1: up for the audience where she runs into her former student. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so trying to interview Nita Turner in the street is

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Speaker 1: impossible because everybody and their mother stops her, cars honking

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Speaker 1: and people on the streets. But she actually was approached

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Speaker 1: by former student. She was a professor here at the

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Speaker 1: local Cuyahoga County College, and they embraced and the student

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Speaker 1: told her how much he meant to her, including her

1932
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Speaker 1: being like a mother to him. All right, let's take

1933
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Speaker 1: a look at that. Oh my god, come over here. Okay,

1934
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Speaker 1: I had to say, this is my former Okay, oh

1935
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Speaker 1: my god. I'm good. I'm good, I'm blessed. I'm hanging

1936
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Speaker 1: in there. I'm surviving. You help me so much in

1937
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:34,800
Speaker 1: my life. Thank you so much. You make me start

1938
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 1: crying because I remember you were going through a whole lot.

1939
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:42,640
Speaker 1: I thought about you all the time. You always like

1940
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 1: a mother to me. Honestly, thank you. As I finished

1941
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: the police Academy work prime security right there, So I'm

1942
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 1: hanging in there now, I'm so probably I got it.

1943
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:10,320
Speaker 1: You were one of those olds that I always afraid

1944
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 1: has got you because they have so much potential. You

1945
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:18,640
Speaker 1: are realiant and that's why if that's so challenging, but

1946
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Speaker 1: you've come a long way. This is my dad. Pretty

1947
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 1: extraordinary moment there. I think it just reflects the fact

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Speaker 1: that you know, Nina has outside of her national profile,

1949
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Speaker 1: which of course we all know about, she has very roots,

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Speaker 1: very deep roots in this specific community, not only as

1951
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Speaker 1: a community member and as a teacher and professor, also

1952
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Speaker 1: as a former state senator. So you know, that's why

1953
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 1: she's always been sort of on strong grounding there. Even

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Speaker 1: to whether some of the attacks that she's facing over

1955
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Speaker 1: the airwaves, yeah, absolutely. And you know I've covered a

1956
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:00,720
Speaker 1: lot of politicians and most them were full of shit.

1957
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 1: Those were real tears a Nina Turner with Sheddick, and

1958
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: you could tell she's a genuine person. And it kind

1959
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 1: of goes back to Bernie. You know, the more people

1960
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 1: met Bernie during those two elections, the more they liked him.

1961
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: And I think the same thing is true for Nina,

1962
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:18,479
Speaker 1: where Chantel Brown is more you know, scripted talking points.

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01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:20,640
Speaker 1: But it was really a powerful moment. It may be

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01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 1: impossible to say, but obviously, you know we've been talking

1965
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Speaker 1: all morning about the leak draft of a Supreme Court

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01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 1: decision that would overturn Roe versus Wade. Do you have

1967
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 1: any sense of whether that could play into this particular

1968
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 1: primary given the news just broke, do you think that

1969
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 1: that changes you know, does it make people more animated,

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Speaker 1: does it increase turnound? Do you have any sense of

1971
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:45,719
Speaker 1: how that might play. I think the voters that Chantau

1972
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 1: Brown would rely on, which are kind of the normy Democrats,

1973
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Speaker 1: a lot of older black women, if I'm being honest,

1974
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 1: I think they were coming out anyway. So I doubt that.

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Speaker 1: I don't really have a good feel for the wider

1976
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 1: district because it just happened last night. But my guess

1977
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 1: is the voters that Chantal Brown already needed to come out, uh,

1978
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, are more galvanized by that anyway, but they

1979
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 1: were coming out anyway. As far as Nina Turner, I

1980
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:16,879
Speaker 1: think her voters were coming out either way also. Yeah. Interesting.

1981
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:18,640
Speaker 1: At the same time, Jordan, you interviewed a couple of

1982
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,679
Speaker 1: Republicans coming out of a JD Vance rally. Just set

1983
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 1: that up for the audience. Described to us like what

1984
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:28,759
Speaker 1: you wanted to ask them about their reactions all of that. Yeah,

1985
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 1: So JD Vance held an event with Josh Holly, Charlie Kirk,

1986
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, the best hits for the

1987
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:40,400
Speaker 1: conservatives and every state's and open border and all that stuff.

1988
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Speaker 1: So I kind of just wanted to hear from them

1989
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Speaker 1: why they supported JD. Vance, if they if they were undecided,

1990
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Speaker 1: because Cleveland actually is where Josh Mandel is from, so

1991
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 1: there's a lot of support, a lot of support here,

1992
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,599
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of them several of them

1993
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:59,559
Speaker 1: actually said that they liked that he JD. Vance had,

1994
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, come come to see the light, that he

1995
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,400
Speaker 1: reversed on Trump and that was pro Trump, like that

1996
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 1: was that was a plus that he you know, could

1997
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 1: admit when he was wrong. Others, you know, basically we're

1998
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 1: very concerned about immigration, one woman going as far to

1999
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 1: say she doesn't want them in her neighborhood. But overall

2000
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 1: one undecided, and you know two or three others that

2001
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:24,759
Speaker 1: were sold on JD events, including because of his book

2002
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 1: and you know, behavioral health work. Why you described it right,

2003
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:31,400
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to that. What's your dame? My

2004
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 1: name is Brian. Brian, tell me have you decided if

2005
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 1: you're voting for j D And tell us a little

2006
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 1: bit about why I haven't decided yet. I came out

2007
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 1: because I'm local. I've seen quite a bit of him

2008
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Speaker 1: on Fox News, and I agree with a lot of

2009
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 1: things that he says. I still, like I said, I'm

2010
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 1: still undecided, but you making my mind up pretty soon. Now,

2011
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 1: are you a supporter of the former President Trump? Because

2012
01:45:56,280 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 1: obviously j D years ago was critic of Trump, but

2013
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 1: now is kind of reverse course and supports the president. Well,

2014
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 1: I can understand that people are most accepting if you

2015
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 1: admit that you were wrong, if you fess up and hey,

2016
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:13,640
Speaker 1: you made a mistake. People can make mistakes. But I

2017
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,719
Speaker 1: think he's a tone for that, and he's come clean.

2018
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 1: That's okay. And do you agree some of the things

2019
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 1: JD Josh Mandel have said in regards to the economic problems,

2020
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, manufacturing things like that leaving Ohio has to

2021
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 1: do with immigration and things like that. What do you

2022
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 1: attribute Ohio's economic issues to. I don't think it's as

2023
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 1: much immigration as it is politicians who are making money

2024
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:45,759
Speaker 1: at the back door with China. If you ever noticed

2025
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 1: that if a politician is not already wealthy when he

2026
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 1: comes into office, be sure as hell leave office wealthy.

2027
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:56,759
Speaker 1: Why is that? Why is it that someone would spend

2028
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:59,600
Speaker 1: seven figures of his own money on a campaign for

2029
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 1: a jump to make six figures something to think about.

2030
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 1: So tell me what convince you to support JD. Event

2031
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:11,520
Speaker 1: well convinced us. I like his policies, what he represents,

2032
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: and things like that, So I just hopefully you never

2033
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:19,240
Speaker 1: know what politicians, but hopefully he promises what he delivers

2034
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 1: like Trump did. He may not like Trump, but at

2035
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 1: least he promised what he delivered. So what do you

2036
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:26,680
Speaker 1: think about that? Because he get he gets criticized that

2037
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:30,440
Speaker 1: he reversed course on Trump criticized him a twenty sixth diesibility.

2038
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 1: But like I said, I know a lot of people

2039
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 1: that didn't like Trump personally, but like I tell him,

2040
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:37,360
Speaker 1: he did what he said he was going to do.

2041
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:39,960
Speaker 1: He may not like his tweets and all that, but

2042
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:41,680
Speaker 1: at least he did what he said he was gonna do.

2043
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna build a wall, he was gonna do a

2044
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 1: lot of other things. And I appreciate that. That's what

2045
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:49,759
Speaker 1: I want out of a politician represents us and not

2046
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:54,080
Speaker 1: himself or Washington, DC. Who do you blame that the

2047
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:58,559
Speaker 1: wall hasn't been completely built yet? Totally Biden's administration all

2048
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of him and the other guy that's his

2049
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 1: Homeland secretary. It's been on TV the last couple of days,

2050
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 1: but he's been He's been pretty pretty awful for our

2051
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 1: country in every way every way. On Jay D you

2052
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:15,400
Speaker 1: mentioned policies. What are some of the key policies you

2053
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: support that he supports. I like the fact that he

2054
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:24,600
Speaker 1: represents pro life that's a big deal for us as Christians,

2055
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of other issues. I'd have to go

2056
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:32,639
Speaker 1: through them, but when I compare them, it's it's Josh

2057
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 1: Mandel or him. I think you do just such an

2058
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:37,200
Speaker 1: excellent job of just asking the questions. That's all, you know,

2059
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:39,639
Speaker 1: we wanted. So we're really happy in order to partner

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01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 1: with you, and it's just so you know, valuable to

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Speaker 1: us as a show in order to have that on

2062
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:46,680
Speaker 1: the ground experience, it just means a lot. Yeah. Absolutely,

2063
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Speaker 1: And Jordan, last question to you on the Nina Chantal race.

2064
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 1: You were in the district last time around as well

2065
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 1: on the ground when Nina went on to lose by

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01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:00,559
Speaker 1: five points. This is just a you know, what are

2067
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 1: your spidery senses telling you about who's got lawn signs out,

2068
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 1: who's got energy? On the ground. What are the campaign's approaches.

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01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:10,840
Speaker 1: Do you have any sort of comparison between this time

2070
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: around versus last time around? Number one five to eight

2071
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Speaker 1: thousand Republicans voted for Chantel Brown in August, and she

2072
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 1: only won by over four thousand votes. Republicans are voting

2073
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Speaker 1: in their primary today. It feels like a brand new race.

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Speaker 1: To me. The energy on the ground seems to be

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01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:30,960
Speaker 1: with Nina Chantel Brown's campaign, aside from unions, does not

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01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 1: have a ground game. Labor unions are not going to

2077
01:49:33,439 --> 01:49:36,240
Speaker 1: ondoors for her, but that's about it. Nina Turner's campaign

2078
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 1: has been out since February. That seems they have a

2079
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 1: much improved ground game this time. They're also targeting not

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Speaker 1: a big percentage, but the Muslim community here, the Latino

2081
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 1: community here. So I think it's going to be a

2082
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 1: close race. But I think Nina Turner's ground game is

2083
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,760
Speaker 1: a lot better and more organized from what I've seen.

2084
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:56,559
Speaker 1: And in terms of signs, I mostly see Nina Turner

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01:49:56,680 --> 01:50:00,040
Speaker 1: signs like on the grass in front of homes, so

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01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:03,680
Speaker 1: she's sean tel Brown signs over like highway overpasses or

2087
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 1: on public land. I haven't seen this many in homes

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01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:11,280
Speaker 1: and yes or no question. You think AOC's twelve hours

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01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,960
Speaker 1: before election voting starts endorsement makes a look of difference

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01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 1: in this race. Not a link? Yeah there we are

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Speaker 1: all right, Jordan, enjoy the day. Keep us updated on Twitter.

2092
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 1: Will be guys again. If you support what Jordan's doing,

2093
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:26,120
Speaker 1: which has been extraordinarily beneficial for us already, make sure

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01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 1: you help them out at status kup. We'll have the

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01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 1: links in the description. Jordan, thanks so much. We're so grateful. Thanks. Jordan,

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01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Man. Thanks, thanks guys, sir, thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it. We

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01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 1: really just appreciate your support at this time. You scrap

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01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 1: the entire show late last night, had both that to

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Speaker 1: stay up past bad time. It's okay, though, we all

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Speaker 1: know that this is what this is what we live for.

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Speaker 1: This is what we do. Make sure that we, you know,

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Speaker 1: up late, wake up early in order to give you

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Speaker 1: guys the news and also have on the ground stuff

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Speaker 1: like from Jordan Sheridan. That's what your support enables from

2106
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 1: us to be able to give you the best product possible,

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01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:00,680
Speaker 1: remain nimble. All of that you had to you know,

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Speaker 1: look it costs money to describe graphics, et cetera. So

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Speaker 1: the better the more support you give us, the better

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Speaker 1: of a show that we can possibly provide. So thank

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Speaker 1: you all so much. We really appreciate it. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: so grateful, guys. I have to say, Jordan, I think

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Speaker 1: kind of proved himself with those Republican interviews logic that's

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Speaker 1: right now. He's where people were concerned, and I was like, look,

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Speaker 1: the guy does good interviews. I've seen him do Trump

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Speaker 1: interviews before, so it was there. It was very interesting.

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Speaker 1: You got to be, you know, a real voter, so

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Speaker 1: we're heaping on to it, and you know, he asked

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Speaker 1: relevant questions, so I think he's I think it's just

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Speaker 1: such a benefit to have someone who can go to

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Speaker 1: all of these different places and get a real feel

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Speaker 1: for what's going on. And it's expensive to do that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's why, you know, that's why it's it's

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Speaker 1: easier to set up a camera and just talk than

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Speaker 1: actually be on the ground and interact with voters and

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah and travel all over the country. So

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Speaker 1: you know, I think Jordan's a perfect example of some

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Speaker 1: of the content that you all are helping to enable

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Speaker 1: and so we are extraordinarly grateful for all of that.

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Speaker 1: Have a wonderful day. We love you, guys. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you back here soon. See soon. Six