WEBVTT - “Fit For TV”: Nobody Won On The Biggest Loser 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there are folks. It is the Netflix documentary. Folks

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<v Speaker 1>just can't seem to stop talking about And yes, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be talking about it, and so are we

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<v Speaker 1>now because that hit TV show Biggest Loser, what was

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<v Speaker 1>happening behind the scenes is quite frankly shocking and sad.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rose. We

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<v Speaker 1>all remember the show. You said you were absolutely a

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<v Speaker 1>huge fan of this show. Do you remember what your

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<v Speaker 1>impressions of were of it then before you ever saw

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<v Speaker 1>this as a documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so when I mean, I loved this show because

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<v Speaker 2>it was watching people push past their fears and make

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<v Speaker 2>a change for the better, or at least that's what

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<v Speaker 2>it felt like. You watched people getting healthy. Now, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there was some extreme conditions where you had trainers getting

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<v Speaker 2>tough with these I guess they were contestants, but people

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<v Speaker 2>who were fighting for their health, fighting for their life.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just about what they looked like, but they

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<v Speaker 2>were actually fighting to live longer and to live better.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it was exciting to me to watch because

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<v Speaker 2>you were watching people, at least I thought I was

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<v Speaker 2>watching people improve their lives, make better choices, learn how

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<v Speaker 2>to work, not that they didn't know how to work hard,

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<v Speaker 2>but putting themselves in a position where they were putting

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<v Speaker 2>in the work and getting the results, and that felt satisfactory.

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<v Speaker 1>Way. But you're talking about the show as an inspiration,

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<v Speaker 1>which parts of it can be, But this is also

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<v Speaker 1>a show that put on and clearly and admittedly were

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<v Speaker 1>making fun of overweight people, putting them in positions to

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<v Speaker 1>be scarfing down food, to be committing, to be playing

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<v Speaker 1>little games in which they're having to carry food in

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<v Speaker 1>their mouths, or do all kinds of stuff humiliating things. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>your point is well taken. That's absolutely the case. But

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<v Speaker 1>did you not remember because I don't remember watching it

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<v Speaker 1>that closely, but back at the time, did the inspiration

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<v Speaker 1>always come through or did it often feel like a spectacle?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I can so. I worked for NBC News while

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<v Speaker 2>this show was on, so we actually had so many

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<v Speaker 2>of the contestants and the trainers coming on the Today

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<v Speaker 2>Show and we would interview them and do segments with them.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was actually part of my work assignment to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it. But I enjoyed watching it, and I will

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, I never looked at it through a lens

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<v Speaker 2>of humiliation or parody, or that any of these people

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<v Speaker 2>were being made fun of. Now, watching the documentary, I

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<v Speaker 2>saw it from a completely different perspective. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>have to say, watching it, when I watched it the

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<v Speaker 2>times we were in it didn't really cross my mind

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<v Speaker 2>that these folks were being made fun of. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>them working their asses off. I was cheering them on

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<v Speaker 2>like That's how I felt. I was rooting for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want anyone to fail or to flub, or

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<v Speaker 2>to feel discouraged to the point where, yes, there was drama,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and that was that made the show entertaining

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<v Speaker 2>and interesting. But I didn't look at it through that lens.

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<v Speaker 2>But watching the documentary, it was it was cringe. Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>even perhaps a strong enough forward. I felt sad. I

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<v Speaker 2>felt I felt actually even bad for having enjoyed the

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<v Speaker 2>show as much as I did. I felt, I just

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<v Speaker 2>I saw it from a completely different perspective, and.

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<v Speaker 1>We both felt like that show wouldn't beyond for seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seasons, like it was if it were trying to

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<v Speaker 1>start today.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's yes, and it was too. It was only

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<v Speaker 2>two decades ago that it started, but so much has

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<v Speaker 2>changed in the world for the better, where we have

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<v Speaker 2>a better understanding of the CRUL, Like think about the

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<v Speaker 2>even the movies from the nineties, like things that were

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<v Speaker 2>said and scripts that were written and storylines that were

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<v Speaker 2>given would never be allowed in today's world because they

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<v Speaker 2>are offensive and they are stereotypical, and all of those

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<v Speaker 2>things can be said about this show now looking back

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<v Speaker 2>at it through a better way of understanding people.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what they've done now with this docu series.

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<v Speaker 1>It's three episodes, pretty digestible when you say, what was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Three episodes about an hour each, so they don't really

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<v Speaker 1>go that long, and they flow and they move and

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<v Speaker 1>it's really interesting. So it's good watching. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting. Even if you didn't watch the show or

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<v Speaker 1>we're a fan of it, it catches you up pretty

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<v Speaker 1>quickly and it's fascinating. So I guess some of the

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<v Speaker 1>major headlines that so many people are debating about having

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the extreme measures that some of these

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<v Speaker 1>contestants went through. We're getting more detail about that. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a contestant that almost died. I think she might

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<v Speaker 1>even describe herself as having died for a few minutes. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>this idea of these illegal pills caffeine pills that were

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<v Speaker 1>given to the contestants. Also many of them, we learn

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<v Speaker 1>just about all of them actually gained weight back. We

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<v Speaker 1>also learned the sum encouraged to gain weight before they

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<v Speaker 1>even went on the show. These there are just some

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<v Speaker 1>of the wow headlines robes coming out of this thing

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<v Speaker 1>and another thing coming out and looks a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>ire criticisms. Is director Towards is the one person who

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't in this documentary speaking for herself, one of the trainers,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, Jillian Michaels.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jillian Michaels has been very outspoken since this series

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<v Speaker 2>came on to Netflix, mainly to defend herself. She says

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<v Speaker 2>she hasn't ruled out taking legal action, but she knows

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<v Speaker 2>that legal action is expensive. She did acknowledge that, so

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<v Speaker 2>it appears for now she's just going on her own

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<v Speaker 2>campaign defending herself. And she has, you know, receipts, she

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<v Speaker 2>has emails, she has texts, and she's putting them up

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<v Speaker 2>on her social media accounts to say what they're saying

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<v Speaker 2>about me isn't true. So she's extremely upset and folks

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<v Speaker 2>who love Jillian Michaels are upset on her behalf. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of the former contestants who weren't featured in this documentary

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<v Speaker 2>have also come along and spoken up in defense of

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<v Speaker 2>Jillian Michaels because she does get a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>the bad guy rap here it. So you had Bob Harper,

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<v Speaker 2>who was the other trainer on the show. He participates

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<v Speaker 2>in the documentary, as does a show producer, and the

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<v Speaker 2>show's medical doctor also went on, so she was really

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<v Speaker 2>and the host of the show, so she was really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the missing person in this documentary that would

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<v Speaker 2>have fully legitimized it. And she said, having watched it now,

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<v Speaker 2>she has zero regrets for not going on because she

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<v Speaker 2>says they're selling a pack of lies.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there was a lot of folks who were interviewed,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of contestants who do have the same story,

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<v Speaker 1>who do tell the same story, and it was there

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<v Speaker 1>was a doctor that was on I kind of remember

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<v Speaker 1>which one it was where they said it's impossible you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot do a show about weight loss that's safe, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they were talking about this idea, so much of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You consider what we're talking about. They want a body

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<v Speaker 1>altering change in you in a period of time, six

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<v Speaker 1>months to think that people in six months lost fifty

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred, two hundred pounds, two hundred plus pounds. How

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<v Speaker 1>could would any doctor say you could safely do that?

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<v Speaker 2>I doubt it? And they, I mean, they did have

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<v Speaker 2>this doctor on the show to try and make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that contestants were as healthy as possible, but clearly, look,

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<v Speaker 2>it's one of the like did you ever watch Probably not,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm just gonna throw this out. Did you ever

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<v Speaker 2>watch Extreme Makeover? Home Edition? Extreme make So? These extreme

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<v Speaker 2>makeover shows were really popular during that decade or so,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's as if they tried to take, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>someone getting a new haircut and new makeup and new

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<v Speaker 2>clothing or redesigning a house and take that same basically

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<v Speaker 2>cookie cutter template and apply it to weight loss because

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<v Speaker 2>everyone loves it before and after, at least a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of I can speak for women in magazines back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, you'd have a before and after, and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>loved to see transformation change for the better. It's inspiring,

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<v Speaker 2>it's exciting, it makes you feel like you could do

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<v Speaker 2>it too. But they took that same type of format

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<v Speaker 2>and tried to put it on weight loss, and it worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously the show was a huge success. Ten million people

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<v Speaker 2>tuned into the finale of the latest or at least

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<v Speaker 2>I think the twenty sixteen finale, So it did get

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<v Speaker 2>people's attention. And obesity and overweight and America, that's these

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<v Speaker 2>are all issues. So you could say, Okay, we're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to tackle this problem. We're trying to bring awareness or

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<v Speaker 2>trying to show people that they can conquer their weight problems,

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<v Speaker 2>not with drugs, not with pills, not with some magic bullet,

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<v Speaker 2>but through hard work and discipline. And so that the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of it, I believe was noble to a degree,

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<v Speaker 2>But the question is was it healthy? Was it fair?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it like not even physically healthy, but was it

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<v Speaker 2>mentally healthy for these folks?

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<v Speaker 1>And that you I think the transfermation we root for it.

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<v Speaker 1>We were rooting. I mean we were You're proud of

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<v Speaker 1>these folks. It's life altering to see that they were

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<v Speaker 1>pushed to a degree that they got the help they needed. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>most of these folks don't have the time and don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the sometimes money and the resources to get a

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<v Speaker 1>trainer to work with you, to tell you somebody about

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<v Speaker 1>your diet and have a doctor monitoring you, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful opportunity that they all had. I did not know.

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<v Speaker 1>And the way they put it, and that came out

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<v Speaker 1>in this documentary Robes, is that this was not a

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<v Speaker 1>show about getting healthy. This was a reality television competition, period,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you apply those rules to it, it means

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<v Speaker 1>all rules go out the door, because now it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a cutthroat competition to where people do what anything they

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<v Speaker 1>have to do to win. So it became that so

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<v Speaker 1>that principle that we apply to Survivor or even a

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<v Speaker 1>Love Island or whatever, you apply those reality show rules.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine. You're stabbing people in the back, that's one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Figuratively, of course, yes, But.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing it here you might be per damaging your health

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<v Speaker 1>and you might be putting your life at risk. The

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<v Speaker 1>way it's going that is just not something I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people that registers. As you're clapping and

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<v Speaker 1>cheering as you see them every week losing ten pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen pounds, twenty pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it just it didn't cross my mind at least,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think it crossed a lot of folks minds,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do think it was. There was an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>point in this documentary where you have one of the

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<v Speaker 2>former contestants who it not just gained all his weight back,

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<v Speaker 2>but and he was one of the winners, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>of one of the seasons. I think it might have

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<v Speaker 2>been season seven, two.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred and thirty nine pounds. It was the biggest loss

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<v Speaker 1>they had ever had in the show.

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<v Speaker 2>So not only did he gain it back, but and

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<v Speaker 2>then some. And he went on to the documentary saying

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<v Speaker 2>there was no aftercare, there was no follow up, There

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<v Speaker 2>was no resource available to any of us contestants once

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<v Speaker 2>we went home. So we were in this controlled environment

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<v Speaker 2>where we were working out, you know, anywhere from four

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<v Speaker 2>to eight hours a day, with a restricted diet, with

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<v Speaker 2>being fully monitored. All of a sudden, now you're let

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<v Speaker 2>out back into your real world, and if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have anyone helping you or at least guiding you in

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<v Speaker 2>that transition, it's almost as if you're doomed to fail.

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<v Speaker 2>But the producer said, yeah, that would have been great,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's not what we were doing. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>television show, and both sides make sense, Like they the

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<v Speaker 2>purpose of this show was not to monitor people and

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<v Speaker 2>their weight loss journey so that they could continue to

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<v Speaker 2>live a healthy and wonderful life. No, it was to

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<v Speaker 2>get ratings. And yes, people had amazing transformations in the process,

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<v Speaker 2>but the onus was then on them to do with

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<v Speaker 2>it as they would. But there wasn't an overreaching theme

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<v Speaker 2>or purpose, or it wasn't the goal to somehow create

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<v Speaker 2>some healthy living standard that they were going to continue

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<v Speaker 2>to foster and fuel.

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<v Speaker 1>Like No, and some of them admit it in some

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<v Speaker 1>of the interviews. Yeah, it was on me when I

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<v Speaker 1>left the show and Gain the Way back. Can't blame

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<v Speaker 1>anybody else but me for that. But I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>and rope so much of what they're talking about here

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<v Speaker 1>is that you're to hear that somebody who is wherever

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred plus pounds restricting himself to eight hundred calories

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<v Speaker 1>a day and burning five to six thousand, how can

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<v Speaker 1>you keep that up?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not sustainable.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're doing that fighting and calling because you're desperate

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<v Speaker 1>to get on the scale and let everybody see how

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<v Speaker 1>much weight you lost. And that's just not healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the idea now today, imagine this where we are

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<v Speaker 2>putting people in a public setting where like millions of people,

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<v Speaker 2>as many as ten million people are watching you get

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<v Speaker 2>on a scale. Think about that. How many of us

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<v Speaker 2>in our regular lives step on a scale maybe once

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<v Speaker 2>a week whatever. How many people would you even want

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<v Speaker 2>in the room to see the number when you stand

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<v Speaker 2>on that scale, No one would want anyone else in

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<v Speaker 2>the room. There's such a private thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then being your underwear in front of millions.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had never really considered, like, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to step on a scale in front of anyone else,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's for me and my doctor to know. Period.

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<v Speaker 2>So the amount of courage and just and yeah, humiliation,

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<v Speaker 2>it would take it that weight to stand on a

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<v Speaker 2>big scale in front of the world in your yes underwear,

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak, or a very little and to do

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<v Speaker 2>that public that just that in and of itself seems cruel,

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<v Speaker 2>even if they want to do it. They were fighting

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<v Speaker 2>for it. There was a competition. People were lining up,

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<v Speaker 2>people were begging to be put on the show so

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<v Speaker 2>that they could change their lives. But they really for them. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a competition to your point, but I also

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<v Speaker 2>believe it was it was a life or death moment.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of these people said that they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>get on the show because they were they believed it

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<v Speaker 2>was the only way they could live, that this was

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<v Speaker 2>their chance at living.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it a young lady wanted to have a baby

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Yes, So these stories are are real, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what made the show compelled. Yes, these are real

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<v Speaker 1>heartfelt stories you had. It's almost a case where, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>so many reality shows we see we see the villain

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<v Speaker 1>here and we're rooting for that person or I like

0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.880
<v Speaker 1>camll like her, and you're rooting for everybody on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>You room for everybody to lose weight, everybody has a

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<v Speaker 1>great background it and you're hearing all these stories and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much it taints it for me

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<v Speaker 1>in seeing this, but it doesn't. It doesn't seem like

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<v Speaker 1>what I thought it was. And when I hear it's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. If I saw their stories later and I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're doing great, but to hear them tell their

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<v Speaker 1>own stories of how this show in a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>ways and ruin their lives but really really had a

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<v Speaker 1>negative impact on them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they had the sisters who won I don't remember

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<v Speaker 2>which season it was. They were one of the few

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<v Speaker 2>people who were on this documentary who said it saved

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<v Speaker 2>their lives. It was the best thing they had ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the folks who had gained all the weight

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<v Speaker 2>back said quite the opposite. I have to tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>as someone who did love this show, it's incredibly sad

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<v Speaker 2>to think that I was. You know, we were all

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<v Speaker 2>rooting for these folks. Look, even when you and I

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<v Speaker 2>are running right, I'm running a lot the West Side Highway.

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<v Speaker 2>I see people out there, sweating and pushing it and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to better their lives. I feel inspired watching them.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know a lot of us were, and

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that the trainers and the producers, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that people were rooting for folks. But to hear

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<v Speaker 2>and see what happened afterwards, to see that most of

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<v Speaker 2>like we're talking, what do they say, like twelve out

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<v Speaker 2>of fourteen from every season regained the weight.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was it's close, but it was fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>out of sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Fourteen out of sixteen had.

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<v Speaker 1>Gained it all back, or some of them had even

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<v Speaker 1>gotten worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And that is so sad to think that they

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<v Speaker 2>went through all of this, put themselves out there like this,

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<v Speaker 2>busted their asses like this, took time off of work

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<v Speaker 2>to better their lives, and without the proper I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to even say education, but guidance without

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<v Speaker 2>doing it in the right way, it ended up backfiring terribly,

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<v Speaker 2>and so many people profited and off of this, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what also makes it feel so icky.

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<v Speaker 1>Had an next One analys if you will, during much

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and she was great and throughout the docu series,

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<v Speaker 1>but she made that point ropes that they were having

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<v Speaker 1>people doing very serious clinical work that did not have

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<v Speaker 1>the clinical background and the expertise to do it. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about Gillian Michaels and Bob Harper, the two

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<v Speaker 1>trainers who were, yes, helping them physically, but then these

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<v Speaker 1>folks needed a lot of mental support as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of emotional support and they weren't getting it.

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<v Speaker 1>And they had it like a little clip. They little

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<v Speaker 1>series of clips they ran at one point showing like

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<v Speaker 1>some of the advice that the trainers were given to people,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sounded ridiculous. They just they wanted it to

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<v Speaker 1>sound ridiculous. I know what's on the inside, but now

0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.640
<v Speaker 1>you've turned that to something on the outside, and just

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<v Speaker 1>like you're not, these people have trauma. And there was

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<v Speaker 1>even Evan I'm not sure if they mentioned it here

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm remembering it. But folks who are obi's more

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<v Speaker 1>likely than not had some type of childhood trauma. You're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with that type of thing in this environment, and

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<v Speaker 1>you have two trainers who are just saying it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be roses and sunshine.

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<v Speaker 2>Not just that, though, We've got trainers who are in

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<v Speaker 2>their face, screaming at them, yelling at them. And look

0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.399
<v Speaker 2>at the time, you're thinking, it's tough love. I grew up,

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<v Speaker 2>I was a competitive gymnast at a young age. I

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<v Speaker 2>had coaches yelling in my face all the time, that

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<v Speaker 2>tough love mentality. So when I watched the show the

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<v Speaker 2>first time around, to me, that's what it reminded me of.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought, you know, sometimes we all need someone

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<v Speaker 2>to give us that tough love, to say get and

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<v Speaker 2>stay on that treadmill and don't get. But now watching it,

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<v Speaker 2>it feels so different.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a different It crosses a line to shaming and embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 1>So that crosses a line. Yeah, every coach is everybody's

0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.040
<v Speaker 1>competing in athletics, so that a coach in your face

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<v Speaker 1>yelling and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't quit, don't quit.

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<v Speaker 1>Even some folks out there who have hired a trainer.

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<v Speaker 1>That trainer will yell at you during your sal sergeants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, people go to I used to go to a

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<v Speaker 2>class called Aikin's Army where that's exactly what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but this went to another level. But there were

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the docuseries, folks I was surprised by and

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<v Speaker 1>it led to possibly a deeper conversation and maybe all

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<v Speaker 1>of us needing to look inward a little bit when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to as they say, fat people.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ where

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<v Speaker 2>we are talking about Fit for TV. It's the hot, hot,

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<v Speaker 2>hot Netflix TV series that goes behind the scenes of

0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.720
<v Speaker 2>that juggernaut of a show, The Biggest Loser on NBC,

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<v Speaker 2>and you start to see what was happening behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were a lot of allegations that have been

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<v Speaker 2>made that have not been proven. But certainly one person

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<v Speaker 2>in particular who chose not to be a part of

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<v Speaker 2>the documentary who was a huge face of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>Jillian Michaels, has now been speaking out.

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<v Speaker 1>Whit more so than the host Stephen Right. Wasn't she yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the breakout star of that show?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that fair to say she really was, And yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I loved her tough Love. I watched her, I thought, go,

0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Jillian go, I mean she was, and it made her

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<v Speaker 2>who she is today. Bob Harper, yes, also a star

0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.520
<v Speaker 2>from that. But Jillian really did steal the show, so

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<v Speaker 2>to speak. But I was going to give her exact quote.

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<v Speaker 2>After having watched the docuseries, she says she has zero

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<v Speaker 2>regrets about not doing it, because I would have simply

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<v Speaker 2>lent credibility to something that is an egregious lie. And

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<v Speaker 2>she also said she's in talks with the executive producers

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<v Speaker 2>of The Biggest Loser to do their own type of

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<v Speaker 2>documentary where she can share her side of the story

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<v Speaker 2>because she was she took much issue with how they

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<v Speaker 2>reported what was happening behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but she in particular with her right, it was

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<v Speaker 1>this idea that she was giving them caffeine pills to

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<v Speaker 1>help them lose weight.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and so she does not that. But what she's

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<v Speaker 2>upset about is that on this documentary, if you watch it,

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<v Speaker 2>they absolutely discuss that it was illegal, or at least

0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.040
<v Speaker 2>it's not illegal to take caffeine pills, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>against the show's rules. The show's policies to provide caffeine

0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:23.160
<v Speaker 2>pills for contestants. Well, she actually goes on to her

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram to talk about the fact that that absolutely was

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<v Speaker 2>not true, that it was sanctioned and that it was allowed,

0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.800
<v Speaker 2>and she actually I'm sure, okay, yes she has she

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<v Speaker 2>here's an email chain with Bob Harper, the Biggest Losers producers, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Huzenga's guy who is the doctor on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>who he did participate in the documentary, but his his

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<v Speaker 2>I guess his assistance on this. And then Sandy Crumb,

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<v Speaker 2>who stayed on the set with us and distributed the

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<v Speaker 2>Fat Burners Slash caffeine pills. And this was an email

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<v Speaker 2>about where to purchase these caffeine pills to give to

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<v Speaker 2>the contestants. And so she does have emails here saying

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<v Speaker 2>we just received the books and we'll be giving them

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<v Speaker 2>out today. That's I guess her book. Sandy has the

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<v Speaker 2>electro mix and bycarb do you still want Stacker two

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<v Speaker 2>or three? Stacker two or three those are the caffeine

0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.479
<v Speaker 2>pills and they're clearly shown in the documentary. I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>it for them first thing in the morning, thanks Julie.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was an email to Jillian, So she's saying

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<v Speaker 2>tip for them to say that it wasn't known, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't allowed, it wasn't sanctioned. She said, she became the

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<v Speaker 2>scapegoat for that unfairly.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, they scolded her for it in one episode

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<v Speaker 1>of the show. They did, so they got it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she was penalized on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>So it by four pounds or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>For her group. But I'm saying, how is she giving

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<v Speaker 1>us a receipt that shows that it was okay to

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<v Speaker 1>have caffeine pills when the show publicly came out mid

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the recording, in the middle of

0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the show and said, you are being punnish this so

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<v Speaker 1>obviously they stated you can't do it. I don't get

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<v Speaker 1>that part.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get it because I see these emails and

0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:08.840
<v Speaker 2>she has you know, she's put them on her Instagram

0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 2>so you can read them for what they are. I

0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:14.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know how that jibe's with. Yes, the public admonishment

0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:16.399
<v Speaker 2>that she got on the show, Maybe she just agreed

0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:18.440
<v Speaker 2>to let them do it. I don't know who knows

0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.480
<v Speaker 2>what actually happened behind the scenes on that one. Jillian

0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.680
<v Speaker 2>also was extremely upset. If you watched the documentary. They

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<v Speaker 2>talk about how when a contestant won that she whispered

0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.520
<v Speaker 2>in his hear ear, you're going to make me a millionaire.

0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:35.720
<v Speaker 2>And she got really upset about that. She said, it's

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<v Speaker 2>on camera. We both were miked, and she had all

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<v Speaker 2>these emails and all these texts where they went back

0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:41.280
<v Speaker 2>and forth and said, you did not say that. I

0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:45.560
<v Speaker 2>can absolutely, irrefutably like say that you never said those things.

0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.560
<v Speaker 2>So she was just frustrated that she was painted the

0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:53.320
<v Speaker 2>villain by a few contestants and by others. She even

0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:55.800
<v Speaker 2>put up her last text to Bob Harper, who didn't

0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.359
<v Speaker 2>say kind things about Jillian. I mean, it's gotten really ugly.

0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.719
<v Speaker 2>I guess bottom. I don't want to like prosecute and

0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:03.600
<v Speaker 2>litigate back and forth what's going on. But she is

0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 2>certainly in defense mode, and she's putting up the receipts

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.200
<v Speaker 2>and texts and emails to try and defend her position,

0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:12.960
<v Speaker 2>and she claims she's been unfairly vilified.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, she does not come off well at certain

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 1>points of this documentary. And she didn't get a chance

0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 1>to speak for herself in that documentary, which I think

0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.880
<v Speaker 1>it would have made a difference I think it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been nice to have her voice as a part

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<v Speaker 1>of it, but she didn't trust that process and I

0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:31.480
<v Speaker 1>get it, But yeah, I would have loved as much

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:34.040
<v Speaker 1>attention as this one is getting now to have had

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<v Speaker 1>her voice a part of it would have been nice,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought. But as much as we're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>back of I mean the back and forth, what the

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<v Speaker 1>show was and who did what? I mean, this was

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation about how we view overweight folks in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>This really wasn't as much a conversation about health and

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<v Speaker 1>getting people healthy as much as how do we view

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<v Speaker 1>and just what it feels like to walk around all

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<v Speaker 1>the time over again. I don't have the young lady's

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<v Speaker 1>name in front of me, but this expert, this author

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<v Speaker 1>they were using was who admitted and she kept saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been a fat person all my life? Right, and

0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.399
<v Speaker 1>she used that term, she used it, and even that

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<v Speaker 1>part of it, I was thinking to myself, what is

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<v Speaker 1>that one of the things where they can say that

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<v Speaker 1>and no one else can even what's the proper thing

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<v Speaker 1>to say? What's the respectful thing to say? And just

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<v Speaker 1>it sparked more of a more questions in conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>us about how do you view folks who are overweight,

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<v Speaker 1>because they certainly have a feeling that you view them poorly.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what. And she made that point to say,

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<v Speaker 2>these folks who were contestants were so desperate to be thin,

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<v Speaker 2>were so desperate to not be fat anymore, that they

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<v Speaker 2>put themselves in a position to be humiliated by some

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<v Speaker 2>of these temptations. I don't even remember that part of

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<v Speaker 2>the show, to be honest, but putting these contestants in

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<v Speaker 2>tempting situations and almost goating them to stuff their faces

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<v Speaker 2>with donuts and pizza and cookies, I mean, really, does

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<v Speaker 2>it get worse than that? Like that was so hard

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<v Speaker 2>to rewatch in the context of this documentary. And she

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 2>was saying, think about how those contestants must have felt,

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<v Speaker 2>but they did it anyway because that's how badly they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to lose weight. And that really hit home for me.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, people like making fun of fat people. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just what they do. Are you trying to make me

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<v Speaker 2>look like a loser? I mean, even the name of

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<v Speaker 2>the show, I get it. It's cute, it's catchy in

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<v Speaker 2>a way, but on the other hand, it also is

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<v Speaker 2>cutting and mean and cruel and humiliating.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, I said again, I really wonder if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>even would attempt a show like this these days. I

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<v Speaker 1>think again, the you know what the the producer said,

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:50.920
<v Speaker 1>he was the executive producer right his suggestion that if

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<v Speaker 1>we did this show, if we did it all over,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't offer the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>cash prize, he said, I would be absolutely adamantly against it.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't we just help people. You shouldn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be incentivized by money, just your health.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said, the victory the prize, money is your life,

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<v Speaker 2>is your health, better way of living? And he also

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<v Speaker 2>explained how the whole concept for the show began, which

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know this story that he was in

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<v Speaker 2>La he saw at a gym someone had posted a

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<v Speaker 2>sign that basically said, I'm obese, I need help. Can

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<v Speaker 2>can you help me? And it just sparked an idea, Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>we could help people on a show, people who don't

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<v Speaker 2>have access or financing for trainers and gyms and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's do this. And that's what got him thinking

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<v Speaker 2>as a TV producer. He saw this genuine cry for help. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so I did think that it was you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>was some nobility in the idea behind it, the reasons

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 2>for coming up with the show idea, but even he

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone involved acknowledged that they made some major missteps

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<v Speaker 2>and the way the show was constructed. Specifically, they talked

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<v Speaker 2>about those temptations that that was not that was not

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<v Speaker 2>an okay thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if nothing else, like a doctor they said

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the documentary, is that if nothing else,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a cautionary tale about the dangers of extreme diet.

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<v Speaker 1>That we just don't have shortcuts. And he joked actually

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<v Speaker 1>that if we did a show like this today, it

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>would just be people sitting around injecting themselves right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, and I do appreciate it or applaud the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that they were trying to potentially show folks that

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<v Speaker 2>if you if you it's not a diet, it can't

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<v Speaker 2>be a diet. If you change the way you eat,

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<v Speaker 2>if you change the way you move, you can live

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<v Speaker 2>a healthier life.

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<v Speaker 1>These folks are doing the work they were, but extremely

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<v Speaker 1>so because they needed it to be on a timeline.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you took your time, you did it slowly,

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 2>you did it in a way that could be. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be losing weight, any expert will tell

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do it in a way that can

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<v Speaker 2>be maintained. If you're doing anything extreme, you're never going

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<v Speaker 2>to stay with it. You're never going to keep up

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<v Speaker 2>with it. It's just not possible. But it was was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I it was educational. I think to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it just it was strange for me, having loved

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 2>the show and watched the show, to then see it

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 2>through this other lens. It it just reminds us all

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.919
<v Speaker 2>to be kind and to be empathetic and to give

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<v Speaker 2>people a break.

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<v Speaker 1>And this docu series is entertaining, but it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a good one. It's actually a good one, and you

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>learn something and there's some hard in there, and there's

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 1>a conversation that gets sparked, and even you'll ask yourself

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 1>some questions. So, yeah, we're not here too for all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, we're giving a documentary recommendation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you have some time, we would definitely give

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 2>it our samp of approval. It's I think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, what's our thing gonna be? It's

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<v Speaker 1>that thumbs up and thumbs down. That's taken so stamp

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<v Speaker 1>of approval.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds really clinical. We'll have to come up with

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<v Speaker 2>something better than

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<v Speaker 1>Right, folks, We'll talk to Y also