1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is the Netflix documentary. Folks 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: just can't seem to stop talking about And yes, everybody 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: seems to be talking about it, and so are we 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: now because that hit TV show Biggest Loser, what was 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: happening behind the scenes is quite frankly shocking and sad. 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rose. We 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: all remember the show. You said you were absolutely a 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: huge fan of this show. Do you remember what your 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: impressions of were of it then before you ever saw 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: this as a documentary. 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: Yes, so when I mean, I loved this show because 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: it was watching people push past their fears and make 13 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: a change for the better, or at least that's what 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: it felt like. You watched people getting healthy. Now, yes, 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: there was some extreme conditions where you had trainers getting 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: tough with these I guess they were contestants, but people 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: who were fighting for their health, fighting for their life. 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: It wasn't just about what they looked like, but they 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: were actually fighting to live longer and to live better. 20 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: And so it was exciting to me to watch because 21 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: you were watching people, at least I thought I was 22 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: watching people improve their lives, make better choices, learn how 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: to work, not that they didn't know how to work hard, 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: but putting themselves in a position where they were putting 25 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: in the work and getting the results, and that felt satisfactory. 26 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: Way. But you're talking about the show as an inspiration, 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: which parts of it can be, But this is also 28 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: a show that put on and clearly and admittedly were 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: making fun of overweight people, putting them in positions to 30 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: be scarfing down food, to be committing, to be playing 31 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: little games in which they're having to carry food in 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: their mouths, or do all kinds of stuff humiliating things. Now, 33 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: your point is well taken. That's absolutely the case. But 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: did you not remember because I don't remember watching it 35 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: that closely, but back at the time, did the inspiration 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: always come through or did it often feel like a spectacle? 37 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: No? I can so. I worked for NBC News while 38 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: this show was on, so we actually had so many 39 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: of the contestants and the trainers coming on the Today 40 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: Show and we would interview them and do segments with them. 41 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: So it was actually part of my work assignment to 42 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: watch it. But I enjoyed watching it, and I will 43 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: be honest, I never looked at it through a lens 44 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: of humiliation or parody, or that any of these people 45 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: were being made fun of. Now, watching the documentary, I 46 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: saw it from a completely different perspective. But I just 47 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: have to say, watching it, when I watched it the 48 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: times we were in it didn't really cross my mind 49 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: that these folks were being made fun of. I saw 50 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: them working their asses off. I was cheering them on 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: like That's how I felt. I was rooting for them. 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: I didn't want anyone to fail or to flub, or 53 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: to feel discouraged to the point where, yes, there was drama, 54 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: I mean, and that was that made the show entertaining 55 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: and interesting. But I didn't look at it through that lens. 56 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: But watching the documentary, it was it was cringe. Isn't 57 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: even perhaps a strong enough forward. I felt sad. I 58 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: felt I felt actually even bad for having enjoyed the 59 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: show as much as I did. I felt, I just 60 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: I saw it from a completely different perspective, and. 61 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: We both felt like that show wouldn't beyond for seventeen 62 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: eighteen seasons, like it was if it were trying to 63 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: start today. 64 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: And it's yes, and it was too. It was only 65 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: two decades ago that it started, but so much has 66 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: changed in the world for the better, where we have 67 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: a better understanding of the CRUL, Like think about the 68 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: even the movies from the nineties, like things that were 69 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: said and scripts that were written and storylines that were 70 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: given would never be allowed in today's world because they 71 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: are offensive and they are stereotypical, and all of those 72 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: things can be said about this show now looking back 73 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: at it through a better way of understanding people. 74 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: So that's what they've done now with this docu series. 75 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: It's three episodes, pretty digestible when you say, what was it? 76 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: Three episodes about an hour each, so they don't really 77 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: go that long, and they flow and they move and 78 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: it's really interesting. So it's good watching. I mean, it's 79 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: very interesting. Even if you didn't watch the show or 80 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,119 Speaker 1: we're a fan of it, it catches you up pretty 81 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: quickly and it's fascinating. So I guess some of the 82 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: major headlines that so many people are debating about having 83 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: to do with the extreme measures that some of these 84 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: contestants went through. We're getting more detail about that. It 85 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: was a contestant that almost died. I think she might 86 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: even describe herself as having died for a few minutes. Also, 87 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: this idea of these illegal pills caffeine pills that were 88 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: given to the contestants. Also many of them, we learn 89 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: just about all of them actually gained weight back. We 90 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: also learned the sum encouraged to gain weight before they 91 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,679 Speaker 1: even went on the show. These there are just some 92 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: of the wow headlines robes coming out of this thing 93 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: and another thing coming out and looks a lot of 94 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: ire criticisms. Is director Towards is the one person who 95 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: wasn't in this documentary speaking for herself, one of the trainers, 96 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: of course, Jillian Michaels. 97 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: And Jillian Michaels has been very outspoken since this series 98 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: came on to Netflix, mainly to defend herself. She says 99 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: she hasn't ruled out taking legal action, but she knows 100 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: that legal action is expensive. She did acknowledge that, so 101 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: it appears for now she's just going on her own 102 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 2: campaign defending herself. And she has, you know, receipts, she 103 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: has emails, she has texts, and she's putting them up 104 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: on her social media accounts to say what they're saying 105 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: about me isn't true. So she's extremely upset and folks 106 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 2: who love Jillian Michaels are upset on her behalf. Some 107 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: of the former contestants who weren't featured in this documentary 108 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: have also come along and spoken up in defense of 109 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: Jillian Michaels because she does get a little bit of 110 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: the bad guy rap here it. So you had Bob Harper, 111 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: who was the other trainer on the show. He participates 112 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 2: in the documentary, as does a show producer, and the 113 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: show's medical doctor also went on, so she was really 114 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: and the host of the show, so she was really 115 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: kind of the missing person in this documentary that would 116 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: have fully legitimized it. And she said, having watched it now, 117 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: she has zero regrets for not going on because she 118 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: says they're selling a pack of lies. 119 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: Well, there was a lot of folks who were interviewed, 120 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: and a lot of contestants who do have the same story, 121 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: who do tell the same story, and it was there 122 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: was a doctor that was on I kind of remember 123 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: which one it was where they said it's impossible you 124 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: cannot do a show about weight loss that's safe, and 125 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: so they were talking about this idea, so much of it. 126 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: You consider what we're talking about. They want a body 127 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: altering change in you in a period of time, six 128 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: months to think that people in six months lost fifty 129 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: one hundred, two hundred pounds, two hundred plus pounds. How 130 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: could would any doctor say you could safely do that? 131 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: I doubt it? And they, I mean, they did have 132 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: this doctor on the show to try and make sure 133 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: that contestants were as healthy as possible, but clearly, look, 134 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: it's one of the like did you ever watch Probably not, 135 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: but I'm just gonna throw this out. Did you ever 136 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: watch Extreme Makeover? Home Edition? Extreme make So? These extreme 137 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: makeover shows were really popular during that decade or so, 138 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: and it's as if they tried to take, you know, 139 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: someone getting a new haircut and new makeup and new 140 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: clothing or redesigning a house and take that same basically 141 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: cookie cutter template and apply it to weight loss because 142 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: everyone loves it before and after, at least a lot 143 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: of I can speak for women in magazines back in 144 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: the day, you'd have a before and after, and everyone 145 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: loved to see transformation change for the better. It's inspiring, 146 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: it's exciting, it makes you feel like you could do 147 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: it too. But they took that same type of format 148 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: and tried to put it on weight loss, and it worked. 149 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: Obviously the show was a huge success. Ten million people 150 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: tuned into the finale of the latest or at least 151 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: I think the twenty sixteen finale, So it did get 152 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: people's attention. And obesity and overweight and America, that's these 153 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: are all issues. So you could say, Okay, we're trying 154 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: to tackle this problem. We're trying to bring awareness or 155 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: trying to show people that they can conquer their weight problems, 156 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: not with drugs, not with pills, not with some magic bullet, 157 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 2: but through hard work and discipline. And so that the 158 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 2: idea of it, I believe was noble to a degree, 159 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: But the question is was it healthy? Was it fair? 160 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: Was it like not even physically healthy, but was it 161 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: mentally healthy for these folks? 162 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: And that you I think the transfermation we root for it. 163 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: We were rooting. I mean we were You're proud of 164 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: these folks. It's life altering to see that they were 165 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: pushed to a degree that they got the help they needed. Well, 166 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: most of these folks don't have the time and don't 167 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: have the sometimes money and the resources to get a 168 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: trainer to work with you, to tell you somebody about 169 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: your diet and have a doctor monitoring you, this is 170 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: a wonderful opportunity that they all had. I did not know. 171 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: And the way they put it, and that came out 172 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: in this documentary Robes, is that this was not a 173 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: show about getting healthy. This was a reality television competition, period, 174 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: and if you apply those rules to it, it means 175 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: all rules go out the door, because now it's just 176 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: a cutthroat competition to where people do what anything they 177 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: have to do to win. So it became that so 178 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: that principle that we apply to Survivor or even a 179 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: Love Island or whatever, you apply those reality show rules. 180 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: That's fine. You're stabbing people in the back, that's one thing. 181 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: Figuratively, of course, yes, But. 182 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: Doing it here you might be per damaging your health 183 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: and you might be putting your life at risk. The 184 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: way it's going that is just not something I think 185 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people that registers. As you're clapping and 186 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: cheering as you see them every week losing ten pounds, 187 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: fifteen pounds, twenty pounds. 188 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it just it didn't cross my mind at least, 189 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: and I don't think it crossed a lot of folks minds, 190 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: but I do think it was. There was an interesting 191 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: point in this documentary where you have one of the 192 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: former contestants who it not just gained all his weight back, 193 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: but and he was one of the winners, excuse me, 194 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: of one of the seasons. I think it might have 195 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: been season seven, two. 196 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: Hundred and thirty nine pounds. It was the biggest loss 197 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: they had ever had in the show. 198 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: So not only did he gain it back, but and 199 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 2: then some. And he went on to the documentary saying 200 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: there was no aftercare, there was no follow up, There 201 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: was no resource available to any of us contestants once 202 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: we went home. So we were in this controlled environment 203 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: where we were working out, you know, anywhere from four 204 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: to eight hours a day, with a restricted diet, with 205 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 2: being fully monitored. All of a sudden, now you're let 206 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: out back into your real world, and if you don't 207 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: have anyone helping you or at least guiding you in 208 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 2: that transition, it's almost as if you're doomed to fail. 209 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: But the producer said, yeah, that would have been great, 210 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: but that's not what we were doing. This is a 211 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: television show, and both sides make sense, Like they the 212 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: purpose of this show was not to monitor people and 213 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: their weight loss journey so that they could continue to 214 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: live a healthy and wonderful life. No, it was to 215 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: get ratings. And yes, people had amazing transformations in the process, 216 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: but the onus was then on them to do with 217 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: it as they would. But there wasn't an overreaching theme 218 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: or purpose, or it wasn't the goal to somehow create 219 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 2: some healthy living standard that they were going to continue 220 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: to foster and fuel. 221 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: Like No, and some of them admit it in some 222 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: of the interviews. Yeah, it was on me when I 223 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: left the show and Gain the Way back. Can't blame 224 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: anybody else but me for that. But I didn't realize 225 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: and rope so much of what they're talking about here 226 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: is that you're to hear that somebody who is wherever 227 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: three hundred plus pounds restricting himself to eight hundred calories 228 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: a day and burning five to six thousand, how can 229 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: you keep that up? 230 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: It's not sustainable. 231 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: And you're doing that fighting and calling because you're desperate 232 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: to get on the scale and let everybody see how 233 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: much weight you lost. And that's just not healthy. 234 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: Even the idea now today, imagine this where we are 235 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: putting people in a public setting where like millions of people, 236 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: as many as ten million people are watching you get 237 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 2: on a scale. Think about that. How many of us 238 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: in our regular lives step on a scale maybe once 239 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: a week whatever. How many people would you even want 240 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 2: in the room to see the number when you stand 241 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: on that scale, No one would want anyone else in 242 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: the room. There's such a private thing. 243 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: And then being your underwear in front of millions. 244 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: So I had never really considered, like, I don't want 245 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: to step on a scale in front of anyone else, 246 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: Like that's for me and my doctor to know. Period. 247 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: So the amount of courage and just and yeah, humiliation, 248 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: it would take it that weight to stand on a 249 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 2: big scale in front of the world in your yes underwear, 250 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: so to speak, or a very little and to do 251 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: that public that just that in and of itself seems cruel, 252 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: even if they want to do it. They were fighting 253 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: for it. There was a competition. People were lining up, 254 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: people were begging to be put on the show so 255 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: that they could change their lives. But they really for them. Yes, 256 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: it was a competition to your point, but I also 257 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: believe it was it was a life or death moment. 258 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: A lot of these people said that they wanted to 259 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: get on the show because they were they believed it 260 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: was the only way they could live, that this was 261 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: their chance at living. 262 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: Was it a young lady wanted to have a baby 263 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: as well. Yes, So these stories are are real, and 264 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: that's what made the show compelled. Yes, these are real 265 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: heartfelt stories you had. It's almost a case where, I mean, 266 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: so many reality shows we see we see the villain 267 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: here and we're rooting for that person or I like 268 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: camll like her, and you're rooting for everybody on the show. 269 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: You room for everybody to lose weight, everybody has a 270 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: great background it and you're hearing all these stories and 271 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how much it taints it for me 272 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: in seeing this, but it doesn't. It doesn't seem like 273 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: what I thought it was. And when I hear it's 274 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: one thing. If I saw their stories later and I'm like, yeah, 275 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: and they're doing great, but to hear them tell their 276 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: own stories of how this show in a lot of 277 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: ways and ruin their lives but really really had a 278 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: negative impact on them. 279 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they had the sisters who won I don't remember 280 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: which season it was. They were one of the few 281 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: people who were on this documentary who said it saved 282 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: their lives. It was the best thing they had ever done. 283 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: Most of the folks who had gained all the weight 284 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: back said quite the opposite. I have to tell you, 285 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: as someone who did love this show, it's incredibly sad 286 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: to think that I was. You know, we were all 287 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: rooting for these folks. Look, even when you and I 288 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: are running right, I'm running a lot the West Side Highway. 289 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: I see people out there, sweating and pushing it and 290 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: trying to better their lives. I feel inspired watching them. 291 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: I think, you know a lot of us were, and 292 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: I do think that the trainers and the producers, I 293 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: think that people were rooting for folks. But to hear 294 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: and see what happened afterwards, to see that most of 295 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: like we're talking, what do they say, like twelve out 296 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: of fourteen from every season regained the weight. 297 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: I think it was it's close, but it was fourteen 298 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: out of sixteen. 299 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: Fourteen out of sixteen had. 300 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: Gained it all back, or some of them had even 301 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: gotten worse. 302 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: Right, And that is so sad to think that they 303 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: went through all of this, put themselves out there like this, 304 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: busted their asses like this, took time off of work 305 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: to better their lives, and without the proper I guess 306 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to even say education, but guidance without 307 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: doing it in the right way, it ended up backfiring terribly, 308 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: and so many people profited and off of this, and 309 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: I think that's what also makes it feel so icky. 310 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: Had an next One analys if you will, during much 311 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: of it, and she was great and throughout the docu series, 312 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: but she made that point ropes that they were having 313 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: people doing very serious clinical work that did not have 314 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: the clinical background and the expertise to do it. So 315 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: you're talking about Gillian Michaels and Bob Harper, the two 316 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: trainers who were, yes, helping them physically, but then these 317 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: folks needed a lot of mental support as well, and 318 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: a lot of emotional support and they weren't getting it. 319 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: And they had it like a little clip. They little 320 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: series of clips they ran at one point showing like 321 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: some of the advice that the trainers were given to people, 322 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: and it sounded ridiculous. They just they wanted it to 323 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: sound ridiculous. I know what's on the inside, but now 324 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: you've turned that to something on the outside, and just 325 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: like you're not, these people have trauma. And there was 326 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: even Evan I'm not sure if they mentioned it here 327 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: where I'm remembering it. But folks who are obi's more 328 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: likely than not had some type of childhood trauma. You're 329 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: dealing with that type of thing in this environment, and 330 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: you have two trainers who are just saying it's going 331 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: to be roses and sunshine. 332 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: Not just that, though, We've got trainers who are in 333 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 2: their face, screaming at them, yelling at them. And look 334 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 2: at the time, you're thinking, it's tough love. I grew up, 335 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: I was a competitive gymnast at a young age. I 336 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: had coaches yelling in my face all the time, that 337 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: tough love mentality. So when I watched the show the 338 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: first time around, to me, that's what it reminded me of. 339 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 2: And I thought, you know, sometimes we all need someone 340 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: to give us that tough love, to say get and 341 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: stay on that treadmill and don't get. But now watching it, 342 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: it feels so different. 343 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: There's a different It crosses a line to shaming and embarrassing. 344 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: So that crosses a line. Yeah, every coach is everybody's 345 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: competing in athletics, so that a coach in your face 346 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: yelling and you. 347 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: Don't quit, don't quit. 348 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: Even some folks out there who have hired a trainer. 349 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: That trainer will yell at you during your sal sergeants. 350 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 2: Yes, people go to I used to go to a 351 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 2: class called Aikin's Army where that's exactly what happens. 352 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: Yes, but this went to another level. But there were 353 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: parts of the docuseries, folks I was surprised by and 354 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: it led to possibly a deeper conversation and maybe all 355 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: of us needing to look inward a little bit when 356 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: it comes to as they say, fat people. 357 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ where 358 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: we are talking about Fit for TV. It's the hot, hot, 359 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: hot Netflix TV series that goes behind the scenes of 360 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: that juggernaut of a show, The Biggest Loser on NBC, 361 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: and you start to see what was happening behind the scenes. 362 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 2: And there were a lot of allegations that have been 363 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: made that have not been proven. But certainly one person 364 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 2: in particular who chose not to be a part of 365 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: the documentary who was a huge face of the show, 366 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: Jillian Michaels, has now been speaking out. 367 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: Whit more so than the host Stephen Right. Wasn't she yes, 368 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: the breakout star of that show? 369 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: Is that fair to say she really was, And yes, 370 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 2: I loved her tough Love. I watched her, I thought, go, 371 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: Jillian go, I mean she was, and it made her 372 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 2: who she is today. Bob Harper, yes, also a star 373 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: from that. But Jillian really did steal the show, so 374 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: to speak. But I was going to give her exact quote. 375 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: After having watched the docuseries, she says she has zero 376 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: regrets about not doing it, because I would have simply 377 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: lent credibility to something that is an egregious lie. And 378 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: she also said she's in talks with the executive producers 379 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: of The Biggest Loser to do their own type of 380 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: documentary where she can share her side of the story 381 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 2: because she was she took much issue with how they 382 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 2: reported what was happening behind the scenes. 383 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: Okay, but she in particular with her right, it was 384 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: this idea that she was giving them caffeine pills to 385 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: help them lose weight. 386 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: Right, and so she does not that. But what she's 387 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: upset about is that on this documentary, if you watch it, 388 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: they absolutely discuss that it was illegal, or at least 389 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: it's not illegal to take caffeine pills, but it was 390 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: against the show's rules. The show's policies to provide caffeine 391 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 2: pills for contestants. Well, she actually goes on to her 392 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 2: Instagram to talk about the fact that that absolutely was 393 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: not true, that it was sanctioned and that it was allowed, 394 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: and she actually I'm sure, okay, yes she has she 395 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 2: here's an email chain with Bob Harper, the Biggest Losers producers, Uh, 396 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: doctor Huzenga's guy who is the doctor on the show, 397 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 2: who he did participate in the documentary, but his his 398 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: I guess his assistance on this. And then Sandy Crumb, 399 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: who stayed on the set with us and distributed the 400 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: Fat Burners Slash caffeine pills. And this was an email 401 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: about where to purchase these caffeine pills to give to 402 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: the contestants. And so she does have emails here saying 403 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: we just received the books and we'll be giving them 404 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: out today. That's I guess her book. Sandy has the 405 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: electro mix and bycarb do you still want Stacker two 406 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 2: or three? Stacker two or three those are the caffeine 407 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 2: pills and they're clearly shown in the documentary. I'll have 408 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 2: it for them first thing in the morning, thanks Julie. 409 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 2: And this was an email to Jillian, So she's saying 410 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 2: tip for them to say that it wasn't known, it 411 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: wasn't allowed, it wasn't sanctioned. She said, she became the 412 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: scapegoat for that unfairly. 413 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: So well, they scolded her for it in one episode 414 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: of the show. They did, so they got it. Yeah, 415 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: she was penalized on the show. 416 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 2: So it by four pounds or something like that. 417 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: For her group. But I'm saying, how is she giving 418 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: us a receipt that shows that it was okay to 419 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: have caffeine pills when the show publicly came out mid 420 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: in the middle of the recording, in the middle of 421 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: the show and said, you are being punnish this so 422 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: obviously they stated you can't do it. I don't get 423 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: that part. 424 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 2: I don't get it because I see these emails and 425 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: she has you know, she's put them on her Instagram 426 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: so you can read them for what they are. I 427 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: don't know how that jibe's with. Yes, the public admonishment 428 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 2: that she got on the show, Maybe she just agreed 429 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: to let them do it. I don't know who knows 430 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: what actually happened behind the scenes on that one. Jillian 431 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: also was extremely upset. If you watched the documentary. They 432 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: talk about how when a contestant won that she whispered 433 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: in his hear ear, you're going to make me a millionaire. 434 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: And she got really upset about that. She said, it's 435 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 2: on camera. We both were miked, and she had all 436 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: these emails and all these texts where they went back 437 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: and forth and said, you did not say that. I 438 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: can absolutely, irrefutably like say that you never said those things. 439 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: So she was just frustrated that she was painted the 440 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 2: villain by a few contestants and by others. She even 441 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: put up her last text to Bob Harper, who didn't 442 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 2: say kind things about Jillian. I mean, it's gotten really ugly. 443 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 2: I guess bottom. I don't want to like prosecute and 444 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: litigate back and forth what's going on. But she is 445 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: certainly in defense mode, and she's putting up the receipts 446 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: and texts and emails to try and defend her position, 447 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: and she claims she's been unfairly vilified. 448 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: Well, no, she does not come off well at certain 449 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: points of this documentary. And she didn't get a chance 450 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: to speak for herself in that documentary, which I think 451 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: it would have made a difference I think it would 452 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: have been nice to have her voice as a part 453 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: of it, but she didn't trust that process and I 454 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: get it, But yeah, I would have loved as much 455 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: attention as this one is getting now to have had 456 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: her voice a part of it would have been nice, 457 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: I thought. But as much as we're talking about the 458 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: back of I mean the back and forth, what the 459 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: show was and who did what? I mean, this was 460 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: a conversation about how we view overweight folks in this country. 461 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: This really wasn't as much a conversation about health and 462 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: getting people healthy as much as how do we view 463 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: and just what it feels like to walk around all 464 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: the time over again. I don't have the young lady's 465 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: name in front of me, but this expert, this author 466 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: they were using was who admitted and she kept saying, 467 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: I've been a fat person all my life? Right, and 468 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: she used that term, she used it, and even that 469 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: part of it, I was thinking to myself, what is 470 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: that one of the things where they can say that 471 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: and no one else can even what's the proper thing 472 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: to say? What's the respectful thing to say? And just 473 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: it sparked more of a more questions in conversation with 474 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: us about how do you view folks who are overweight, 475 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: because they certainly have a feeling that you view them poorly. 476 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: You know what. And she made that point to say, 477 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 2: these folks who were contestants were so desperate to be thin, 478 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 2: were so desperate to not be fat anymore, that they 479 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 2: put themselves in a position to be humiliated by some 480 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: of these temptations. I don't even remember that part of 481 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: the show, to be honest, but putting these contestants in 482 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: tempting situations and almost goating them to stuff their faces 483 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 2: with donuts and pizza and cookies, I mean, really, does 484 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: it get worse than that? Like that was so hard 485 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 2: to rewatch in the context of this documentary. And she 486 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: was saying, think about how those contestants must have felt, 487 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: but they did it anyway because that's how badly they 488 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: wanted to lose weight. And that really hit home for me. 489 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 2: She said, people like making fun of fat people. It's 490 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: just what they do. Are you trying to make me 491 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: look like a loser? I mean, even the name of 492 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 2: the show, I get it. It's cute, it's catchy in 493 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: a way, but on the other hand, it also is 494 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: cutting and mean and cruel and humiliating. 495 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: Oh god, I said again, I really wonder if somebody 496 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: even would attempt a show like this these days. I 497 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: think again, the you know what the the producer said, 498 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: he was the executive producer right his suggestion that if 499 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: we did this show, if we did it all over, 500 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: I wouldn't offer the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars 501 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: cash prize, he said, I would be absolutely adamantly against it. 502 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: Why don't we just help people. You shouldn't have to 503 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: be incentivized by money, just your health. 504 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, the victory the prize, money is your life, 505 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 2: is your health, better way of living? And he also 506 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 2: explained how the whole concept for the show began, which 507 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 2: I did not know this story that he was in 508 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: La he saw at a gym someone had posted a 509 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: sign that basically said, I'm obese, I need help. Can 510 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 2: can you help me? And it just sparked an idea, Wait, 511 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: we could help people on a show, people who don't 512 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 2: have access or financing for trainers and gyms and all that. 513 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: Let's let's do this. And that's what got him thinking 514 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 2: as a TV producer. He saw this genuine cry for help. Yes, 515 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: so I did think that it was you know, there 516 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 2: was some nobility in the idea behind it, the reasons 517 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: for coming up with the show idea, but even he 518 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: and everyone involved acknowledged that they made some major missteps 519 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: and the way the show was constructed. Specifically, they talked 520 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 2: about those temptations that that was not that was not 521 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: an okay thing to do. 522 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: You know, if nothing else, like a doctor they said 523 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: at the end of the documentary, is that if nothing else, 524 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: this is a cautionary tale about the dangers of extreme diet. 525 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: That we just don't have shortcuts. And he joked actually 526 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: that if we did a show like this today, it 527 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: would just be people sitting around injecting themselves right exactly. 528 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: And look, and I do appreciate it or applaud the 529 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 2: fact that they were trying to potentially show folks that 530 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 2: if you if you it's not a diet, it can't 531 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: be a diet. If you change the way you eat, 532 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 2: if you change the way you move, you can live 533 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: a healthier life. 534 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: These folks are doing the work they were, but extremely 535 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: so because they needed it to be on a timeline. 536 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 2: You know, if you took your time, you did it slowly, 537 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: you did it in a way that could be. If 538 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: you're going to be losing weight, any expert will tell 539 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 2: you have to do it in a way that can 540 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: be maintained. If you're doing anything extreme, you're never going 541 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 2: to stay with it. You're never going to keep up 542 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 2: with it. It's just not possible. But it was was, 543 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 2: you know what, I it was educational. I think to 544 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: watch it just it was strange for me, having loved 545 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: the show and watched the show, to then see it 546 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: through this other lens. It it just reminds us all 547 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 2: to be kind and to be empathetic and to give 548 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 2: people a break. 549 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: And this docu series is entertaining, but it's a it's 550 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: a good one. It's actually a good one, and you 551 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: learn something and there's some hard in there, and there's 552 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: a conversation that gets sparked, and even you'll ask yourself 553 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: some questions. So, yeah, we're not here too for all 554 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're giving a documentary recommendation. 555 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: Well, if you have some time, we would definitely give 556 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: it our samp of approval. It's I think it's a 557 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: good thing to watch. 558 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what's our thing gonna be? It's 559 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: that thumbs up and thumbs down. That's taken so stamp 560 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: of approval. 561 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: That sounds really clinical. We'll have to come up with 562 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: something better than 563 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: Right, folks, We'll talk to Y also