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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 4>These are our stories, done done.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Lisa and all of our incredible listeners. I

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<v Speaker 2>forgot to record. I messed up the recording, so I

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<v Speaker 2>might sound a little weird. Just for the introduction and outro,

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<v Speaker 2>so I might sound a little weird. But whatever, We're

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<v Speaker 2>all just humans trying our best. Hello, Welcome to That's

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<v Speaker 2>Messed Up an sv podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Lisa and I am Kara, and this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>is all about Law and Order SVU. We talk about

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<v Speaker 1>specific episodes and then the true crimes are based on.

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<v Speaker 1>Normally we talked to guests from the show, but we

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<v Speaker 1>are not having guests because we are in solidarity with

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<v Speaker 1>the WGA and SAG after right now, who are on strike.

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<v Speaker 1>And before we do anything, we like to chat and well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's your birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>It's my birthday today. We're in the time machine.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not listening to this till October baby, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's your birthday. Yeah, it's another birthday and your sun

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<v Speaker 1>is shitting up a storm.

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<v Speaker 3>Did he not get the memo. Did he not get

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<v Speaker 3>the memo?

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<v Speaker 2>I know?

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<v Speaker 1>And like this morning he woke up so early and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, get out of here, and he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>been six so he just wants to like come in

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<v Speaker 1>my room in the morning and like be like just

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<v Speaker 1>talk to me in bed, and I'm like stop talking.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, can you be quiet?

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<v Speaker 1>He goes okay, and then he's like Mama, and he

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<v Speaker 1>just keeps talking to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, be quiet, maybe yeah, more minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>You're sick be of energy to harass me right now

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<v Speaker 2>while I'm trying to get some shut eye and nild

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<v Speaker 2>Wait did the kids? Did the kids like the balloons?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? So I just got home.

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<v Speaker 1>So so, first of all, Lisa and I have all

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<v Speaker 1>week been hopefully some of you listened. We've all the

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<v Speaker 1>week of my birthday been on Radio Andy doing Reality Checked,

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<v Speaker 1>guest hosting I Walk in Today.

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<v Speaker 3>Lisa's got a balloon.

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<v Speaker 1>Spread for me, including one of notorious cartoon Dad I

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<v Speaker 1>Want to Fuck the Dad from Bluey, a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>other cute balloons, two big ass bottles of Modello cookies

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<v Speaker 1>from Milk Bar, and a piece of Cheeto birthday cake

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<v Speaker 1>from listen, this is the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, I do want to know did the children like

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<v Speaker 3>the balloones?

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<v Speaker 1>So I got home with those balloons and Oscar came

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<v Speaker 1>out from his nap and his eyes were like.

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<v Speaker 3>What Like, he's like, look at the big bluey like

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<v Speaker 3>he loves it.

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<v Speaker 1>Rosie hasn't seen them yet, but when she sees them,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure she's gonna want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this party store, I want to go back. It

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<v Speaker 2>was heaven. I couldn't believe it. It's called Vine Party

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<v Speaker 2>and something.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh the big one, the big one in Hollywood. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like it was near where we record. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like in that area that's like a famous party store.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that makes sense. They deserve to be famous. They

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<v Speaker 1>have like so many balloons, I mean so many. It

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<v Speaker 1>was so cool in so many rows.

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<v Speaker 2>And they have a whole circle display of Halloween balloons.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like it's it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool because I but anyway, Yeah, it was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>amazing in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard about them on my mom group because they

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<v Speaker 1>were struggling during the pandemic, and I went there to

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<v Speaker 1>get stuff for Rosie's birthday because I wanted to support

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<v Speaker 1>them because I've been there for other parties and they

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<v Speaker 1>have great shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was really cute in there, but well it's

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<v Speaker 2>more it's a warehouse. I wouldn't say cute. Yes, the

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<v Speaker 2>items are cute. The items are cute. I there was

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<v Speaker 2>a sign that said snow Queen and it was frozen,

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<v Speaker 2>but I thought it said Sleigh Queen and I was like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but it wasn't. It wasn't it. You go Elsa,

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<v Speaker 3>You cunty bitch. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>So we did have this Cheeto's cake from milk Bar.

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<v Speaker 2>If you listen to us on serious, I apologize, But

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<v Speaker 2>milk Bar has gone down, Like I wouldn't, I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe. I just am. It's heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I actually kind of knew when they expanded

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<v Speaker 1>to my neighborhood in New York, Like there was one

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<v Speaker 1>on the Upper West Side for like the last two

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<v Speaker 1>or three years that I lived there, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>go there and be like, this doesn't taste like the

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<v Speaker 1>one that I used to go to.

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<v Speaker 3>That.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the line, but that's even how many years

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<v Speaker 2>ago is that seven?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine how far they've slid? You know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I wish, I wish for the days where you thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was bad. I just similar, like horrified. The oven

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't on there. You just pick a cake in the

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<v Speaker 2>fridge that's sitting like things are just pretty. It to

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<v Speaker 2>be something so special. I was also younger. I was

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<v Speaker 2>also newer, but it just well, I have to milk bar.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Christina Tosi. I think you know I'm a fantom. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they need to do a little quality check at

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<v Speaker 2>this one location.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just hired like one deadbeat strower to work

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<v Speaker 1>at this one in LA and maybe he's the one

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<v Speaker 1>bringing it down.

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<v Speaker 2>A dead beat. He was a dead beat. That was

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<v Speaker 2>a perfect word to describe him. So thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Kara's big birthday, also for me, was an IUD removal and.

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<v Speaker 1>Replace, remove and replace, like I'm go and stop like Nascar,

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<v Speaker 1>like they stop, they take off the tires, they put

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<v Speaker 1>new ones on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it really I was a little over dramatic,

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<v Speaker 2>but I really didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think, but now, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just psych yourself out and say I think it's better

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<v Speaker 1>to be like, oh my god, it's gonna be terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be terrible, and then say it was way

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<v Speaker 1>worth less bad than I thought it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It's still so bad. No, I will not good.

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<v Speaker 2>I was crying and they were all very nice to me,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was for more than it was just like

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't the world.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's just crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just I just thought of the weight of everything

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<v Speaker 2>in the world because of that in my basshole. So

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<v Speaker 2>we saw me and Kara saw the same toxic reddit

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<v Speaker 2>I think today, and that was in my mind, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like, oh, like, why is so much

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<v Speaker 2>of womanhood associated with pain? And like we need to

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<v Speaker 2>tolerate pain and it's like a sense of pride how

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<v Speaker 2>much fucking pain it is And it's like fucking bullshit.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically this reddit, in case anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't know what we're talking about, is this guy translate

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<v Speaker 2>my race?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>This guy was like, my wife is having a baby

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<v Speaker 1>and she's just made her birth plan like without me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really want her to have a natural birth

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<v Speaker 1>because my mom and my sisters did that and she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really get along with them that well, and I

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<v Speaker 1>really think it would bring them closer together. I also

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<v Speaker 1>don't want her to be like loopy and out of

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<v Speaker 1>it at this important moment. And it's like that is

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<v Speaker 1>not what an epidural does like, it does not make

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<v Speaker 1>you a loopian out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It numbs your body, that's it. And then when you like.

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<v Speaker 2>Scroll through all the like people are giving their answers,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like you're a demon, You're a demon, You're

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<v Speaker 2>a demon. And he's like, well, no, I watch videos

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube. I understand she should just do what I say.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just about her. I'm involved. I don't need

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<v Speaker 2>your advice. It's like you just hope it's fake because

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<v Speaker 2>this is horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I don't know. Can they all be fake?

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<v Speaker 1>Like there was one a few months ago that I

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<v Speaker 1>saw where a guy was like, I think my am

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<v Speaker 1>I the asshole for saying my wife should pay for

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<v Speaker 1>the epidural. I don't think I should have to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for that. That's like a luxury for her. No thing,

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<v Speaker 1>this is sadly a thing. Or there was one thing I.

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<v Speaker 2>Saw where it's like she wants me to do cut

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<v Speaker 2>up watermelon for her and do things for her.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna treat her any different.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, but wouldn't you treat anyone different if

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<v Speaker 2>they suddenly ballooned with a human in them? Like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I just well, I just saw a clip

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<v Speaker 2>where this guy was like, well, you know, I married

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<v Speaker 2>my wife because she was hot, and then after ten

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<v Speaker 2>years I realized she was a person, and she's right

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes then whoa, And it's like, and you think you're

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<v Speaker 2>the smart one, go fuck yourself to Instagram.

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<v Speaker 3>I love, but they really know how to put me

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<v Speaker 3>in a rage.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was just in such a rage where I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, why is it cool to give oh? And

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<v Speaker 2>he kept being like women have gotten given birth for

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of years, it's fine, and everyone's like, yeah, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of them die.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they used to fucking die most of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And just because I don't understand why the pain is

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<v Speaker 2>associated with like better or anything. It's like, do what

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<v Speaker 2>you want if you want to feel it, feel it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just meanwhile, it's like I did the epidule.

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<v Speaker 1>Both times I've talked about it, Like the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>it fucking did it work, So I felt the second

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<v Speaker 1>time it was a lot easier. The epidura was great.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still a horrible process out your body. There's still

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<v Speaker 1>so much pain involved. Why wouldn't you if you could

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<v Speaker 1>remove one piece of the pain, they're there. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know this guy was so delusional. He goes, it's our birth.

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<v Speaker 1>We're both having this baby, just in different ways, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, no, sir, you are not having this baby.

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<v Speaker 2>But he also said something about pain where it's like

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<v Speaker 2>pain shouldn't determine things, like it's just something you deal with,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, no fucking way fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And then these guys have to pass a kidney stone

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<v Speaker 1>and are like in tears and it's the worst thing

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<v Speaker 1>they've ever experienced.

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<v Speaker 2>Just no, it's like, well, you were built to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>so do it in pain. Yeah, Gorilla, It's like crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it really sickened me. And so that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking about. And obviously getting an IUD insertion is

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<v Speaker 2>like what it's like, Oh, what the fuck are you

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<v Speaker 2>digging in there, you psycho? And then it is like

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of plastic and they have to show you

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<v Speaker 2>the old one and they're like look and I have

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<v Speaker 2>my eye I covered my eyes and she's like, look

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<v Speaker 2>at it.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to sign off that you saw it. Because

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<v Speaker 3>also that.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't like put another one in. No, like if

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<v Speaker 1>a part of it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Missing, like it could be in you and then infections

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<v Speaker 2>or something. So this is kind of like you have

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<v Speaker 2>to look at it and confirm that it is a

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<v Speaker 2>full one.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, then chipped and.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like they're like, if having an ID was easy,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone would have one.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>And then at one point one of the nurses could

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<v Speaker 2>tell I was stressed, and so she would talk to

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<v Speaker 2>me for a while. And when the other two people,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's like I think there was a student they

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<v Speaker 2>walked in, she went, yeah, I was just keeping her company.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, well, I thought you were asking ques.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't say that in front of me, like we

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<v Speaker 2>were making conversations.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like, oh, I was just killing time. Yeah, thanks,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, so what are your plans for Oh yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>next intro you'll hear about our Vegas trip.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, we're going to be Oh I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you this. I might as well tell you

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<v Speaker 1>this on the podcast, but I did call. So we've

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<v Speaker 1>been a little bit stressed because we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>And We'll be honest, one person and the rest the

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<v Speaker 2>group has been ignoring me and saying I'm an idiot.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no one thinks you're an idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, hey, any news on the cyberacs seems like

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal, and everyone's like, who cares, We'll change

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<v Speaker 2>our passwords, it'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what the fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>No one has been No one has been taking it

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<v Speaker 1>as seriously as Lisa, that's for sure. I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, it happened like eight days ago. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, it'll be done by the time we're there,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not fully resolved. I did call them on

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<v Speaker 1>the way back from our radio Andy today, so I

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to a woman who I can't tell if she

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<v Speaker 1>knows anything, but a live person that works there. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>everything's pretty much working ATMs are still down and Wi

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<v Speaker 1>Fi is in and out and that's it. But she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>restaurants are taking credit cards, everything else is working, and

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<v Speaker 1>things are getting better and better every day, Like so

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<v Speaker 1>everything could be totally working by the time you get here.

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<v Speaker 1>She couldn't say that for sure, obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, well I'll be venmoing. I will not be

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<v Speaker 2>putting my car down at the table.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna well paying cash, like where the fucking rap pack?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, just throwing down bills.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I gotta take out cash. I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>I just haven't been to Vegas since before, like since

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, and I'm so pumped. Do you like any

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<v Speaker 1>gambling or you just haven't done it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you have said either of those

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<v Speaker 2>things to me. I play hold them. I know how

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<v Speaker 2>to play old that's right. I think the guys can

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<v Speaker 2>swindle me pretty fast. Have I done blackjack?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? But I lose it fast.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, I just feel like every time I gamble

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<v Speaker 2>it's a letdown because it's like the money goes in

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'm like, oh, that was four minutes and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm done, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, yeah, and now I'm zero.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why I like Roulette because it lasts a

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<v Speaker 1>long time for me, Like, I guess you can play

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, how because what are the chances that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna land on? What I do is I build up

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<v Speaker 1>money on the sides. I build up money doing black

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<v Speaker 1>or red od or even or playing the thirds. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>then once I get a little bit of then I

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<v Speaker 1>start scattering them on the inside with the different numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you get a couple hits, you get a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of misses. I'm not playing any huge like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>throwing a stack of them on black or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I build up on the outsides that I play the

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<v Speaker 1>middle and I just have fun.

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<v Speaker 3>But it lasts for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>When I play lays, I didn't realize you're betting on

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<v Speaker 2>the outside than the inside. I don't think I realized

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<v Speaker 2>there was depth to the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's I didn't know that either until I went

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<v Speaker 1>and spent nine days in Vegas one time at the

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<v Speaker 1>same hotel that we're seeing that, and I like, I

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<v Speaker 1>learned how to play roulette and was like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is fun, and like it is crazy because there's truly

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<v Speaker 1>no skill, but it does I feel like you can like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it lasts a little longer because yeah, when

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<v Speaker 1>I play Blackjack, I just listened to what guys at

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<v Speaker 1>the table tell me to do. I'm like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know hit or stay, and they like tell me, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I just, you know, sometimes I do well, like

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<v Speaker 1>Beginner's luck, but then other.

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<v Speaker 3>Times it's like, yeah, you just walk away with nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted afusing you with our friend who's coming with us,

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<v Speaker 1>who like has never gambled.

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<v Speaker 3>I was confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot what your gambling experience was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was offended, So thank you for psyching that.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember still my family credit card to gamble

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<v Speaker 2>in the Dominican Republic like a little psycho my sister's

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<v Speaker 2>idea underage gambling. No, I really, you know, if I

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<v Speaker 2>see a sex in the city slot machine, I'm walking over.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of that type of person. But you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I wish, Like I wish my kinds of games

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<v Speaker 2>were gambling. I don't even know, like a price is

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<v Speaker 2>way like categories? Can we put some money on that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Can we pay banana grams for money? Yeah? Like

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<v Speaker 3>that would be a good idea, that would Well. That

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<v Speaker 3>happened to me when I went to Foxwoods in Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 3>one time and they had War, you know the game

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<v Speaker 3>you just like play that with like your grandma. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like the easiest game of all time, and you can

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<v Speaker 3>play against you can play War against a dealer.

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<v Speaker 1>And I played for a while and I was losing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, and then I came out of it, paid

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<v Speaker 1>my friend back and want on extra hundred dollars on War.

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<v Speaker 3>So stupid, wow wow wow wow.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I just hope someone I want to

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<v Speaker 2>win big. But that's I guess the whole the whole

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<v Speaker 2>foundation of how they swindle you. We all want to

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<v Speaker 2>win big baby, But I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Excited to see We're also going to see Drag Race live.

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<v Speaker 1>I know some of you are big drag fans like

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<v Speaker 1>we are, and I'm excited to see the big show.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I'm pumped, Lazy River exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>It is exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do feel like having kids takes away the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of, like your birthday, we're really going to make

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<v Speaker 2>the most out of it in the weekend without them. Yeah, really,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like you got you gotta pick a dinner place.

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<v Speaker 3>They're gonna like it's a nice Well, well, here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing. Because he's been sick.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to get my nails done after we record today,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'm gonna meet them at the playground where

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<v Speaker 1>my husband will be keeping them, you know, caged in,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll just walk. It's like the only I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to take them to a pizza place because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like walkable.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just easy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I have my show tonight and then I

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<v Speaker 1>have my show. Is bad up maybe hanging out with

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<v Speaker 1>some friends and I wanted you to come by, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're busy and booked, and I only have.

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<v Speaker 2>One I might come by because isn't it starts at

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<v Speaker 2>eight or night now we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Just it starts like eight fifteen. It starts like eight fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>If you live in LA come to my show, better half.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously you won't be at this birthday show because this

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<v Speaker 1>is in the future, but you should go.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a fun show.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I have a seven to fifty spot at the

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<v Speaker 2>laugh Factory, and my friend Frecks is in town staying

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<v Speaker 2>over there, and she really wants to staying out at

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<v Speaker 2>the comedy store. So I feel like, you know she's

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<v Speaker 2>in town, I should take her, show her rap, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>get her a hot dog at Carnies. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if she likes how dogs, but anyways, but I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like going to your show is fun and if she

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in town, so we'll see what I can find.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well, I mean you're already coming to Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't expect anything, and you went above and beyond

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<v Speaker 1>with my beautiful blue balloon. All right, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep with my bandit balloon tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I just love.

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<v Speaker 2>The creativity of that party store. I'm honestly pissed I

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<v Speaker 2>found it because I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to go into debt. Like. I really loved it

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<v Speaker 3>in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone there to get shipped for like fourth of July.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone in there for tons of like they have.

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<v Speaker 1>They have just good stuff and I've gotten kids stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they have good shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, y it's something.

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<v Speaker 1>And everything at Party City is like a billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they have more reasonable prices.

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<v Speaker 3>It's good. It's good. We got to support the local businesses.

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<v Speaker 2>Their prices are reasonable compared to what else is going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and the other places aren't as creative as fun and

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<v Speaker 2>fun in here. They had a whole of Manhattan balloon

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<v Speaker 2>shaped like the Men, a drink of men like with

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<v Speaker 2>a Maraschino cherry and a whiskey glass.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Okay, now I do a balloon. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>getting you next year. That's like perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Disco balls, unicorns. I was just like blown away. Usually

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<v Speaker 2>it's just Door the Explorer. I don't know why I

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<v Speaker 2>said it, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Explore, that dumb bitch. I love little Dora.

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<v Speaker 2>She did something for short haircuts that no one, no

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<v Speaker 2>one has done. Oh fucking Twiggy Yeah, Anna Winter and

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<v Speaker 2>Dora the Explorer. The most iconic bobs in history. Bangs

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<v Speaker 2>baby bangs for days. All right, we get started about SVU.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget sometimes I know where are we? No, it's SVU.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good episode. Have a good time, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait one more thing. We're always trying to shove in

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<v Speaker 3>our tour dates. Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously this episode comes out on the third. This week,

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<v Speaker 1>we are leaving for Buffalo, will be there on the

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<v Speaker 1>eighth of October. We'll be in New Haven on the tenth,

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<v Speaker 1>and Burlington on the twelfth, then Cleveland on the eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>Boston on the nineteenth, Toronto on the twenty fourth, Detroit

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<v Speaker 1>on the twenty fifth, and Pittsburgh on the twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, come see us.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of these are new cities your friends tell bring

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<v Speaker 1>people that you just think like comedy and maybe have

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<v Speaker 1>seen SVU in a hotel twice.

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<v Speaker 3>I promise they're going to like the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We put on a good one and yeah, we just

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<v Speaker 1>had a great run in September, and I'm excited for

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<v Speaker 1>all these October shows. Boston, please get your fucking asses

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<v Speaker 1>out there. We've got to fill up the Wilberg.

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<v Speaker 3>We love you.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get started. Oh that's messed uplive dot com for

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<v Speaker 1>all your ticket in bo all right, today we are

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<v Speaker 1>covering competence, taking it back to two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 1>Season three, episode twenty two. We open in the precinct

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<v Speaker 1>and we get right to business. Finn walks up to

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<v Speaker 1>this lady. The actress is Lois Smith. She's very prolific.

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<v Speaker 1>She has one hundred and forty five credits, ninety two

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<v Speaker 1>years old, still working, honey, she has been in True Blood.

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<v Speaker 1>Ladybird a bunch of stuff and Finn's like, can I

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<v Speaker 1>help you, ma'am, and he passes her over to Stabler.

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<v Speaker 1>She introduces herself as Rebecca Tolliver and she wants to

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<v Speaker 1>speak privately and needs to report a rape. And she

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<v Speaker 1>said it was her that was attacked. It was her daughter, Katie,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said her daughter started throwing up, so she

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<v Speaker 1>took her the doctor and the doctor said she's pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>but she doesn't have a boyfriend and she's twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>And the mom's just like, just talk to her, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's waiting in the hallway. So we go out and

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<v Speaker 1>Katie is sitting sort of sideways with hair covering her face,

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<v Speaker 1>and when she turns to meet Stabler, we see.

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<v Speaker 3>That she has Down syndrome.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the big Dune done reveal, and it's the

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<v Speaker 1>shortest cold open in history. We're already at the credits

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<v Speaker 1>and Katie is played by Andrea Fei Friedman, who has

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<v Speaker 1>also been in Life goes On and voiced a character

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<v Speaker 1>with Down syndrome on Family Guy. So she has been

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<v Speaker 1>also working but may have left the business. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like she doesn't have anything more recent, but

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<v Speaker 1>so top of Act one, they've brought in Olivia. She

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<v Speaker 1>is much better at talking to people than Elliott. And

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<v Speaker 1>Katie's explaining to Live about the pregnancy and she says

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<v Speaker 1>there's no daddy, but babies need a mommy and a daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other side of the one way glass, Stabler

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<v Speaker 1>and Katie's mom, Rebecca are watching and Rebecca's hell him

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<v Speaker 1>that Katie's dad bounced as soon as she was born,

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<v Speaker 1>and she explains that Katie is in with her all

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<v Speaker 1>day she has she has to work, and so Katie

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<v Speaker 1>goes to a day program and has a part time job,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said it's very easy for someone to take

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of her. And he asks if she's explained sex

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<v Speaker 1>to Katie, but she says Katie has the mind of

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<v Speaker 1>a child and she wouldn't get it. So back to

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<v Speaker 1>live in Katie, and she asks if Katie knows like

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<v Speaker 1>the birds and the bees, and Katie says it's private,

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<v Speaker 1>and Live says, it's cool. We're both girls. Let's gab

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<v Speaker 1>and I love that. I'd love to talk about sex

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<v Speaker 1>with Olivia Benson. She says, babies come from sex, which

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<v Speaker 1>is when a mommy and daddy kiss and hold hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Aliv asks, if she kisses and holds hands with anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell me.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll be our little secret.

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<v Speaker 1>Katie smiles and then says, I'm going to throw up,

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<v Speaker 1>And so the mom goes rushing to help Katie and

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<v Speaker 1>tells the cops to find the son of a bitch

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<v Speaker 1>who did this to us.

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<v Speaker 3>So Benson and Sable are.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking to Craigan about this, and they're all like, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be a lot easier if the mom had given

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<v Speaker 1>Katie even like one tiny convo about six ed Because

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to educate her about sex and get the

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<v Speaker 1>info out of her, and the jury will just think

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<v Speaker 1>that they coached her.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's get Huang's ass in here.

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<v Speaker 1>So Stabler walks Katie and her mom in to meet

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<v Speaker 1>with Wang, and the mom's like, how many more people

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<v Speaker 1>do we need to talk to? Can't this wait till tomorrow?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like did you or did you not just scream?

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<v Speaker 1>Find the son of a bitch who did this? Like

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<v Speaker 1>I never understand these people that are like, stop talking

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<v Speaker 1>to her, find the person who did this. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying. Not all cops are trying. These cops are trying.

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<v Speaker 3>So she doesn't want to put Katie through any more

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<v Speaker 3>of this, and they leave, so they have to find

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<v Speaker 3>another way. And it's always confusing to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you came in looking for help and then

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<v Speaker 2>the moment it's not solved like that, no we got it.

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<v Speaker 2>No she can't handle it. We're done, We're done. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you came here. This isn't even a situation where the

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<v Speaker 2>detectives are knocking down your door demanding stuff. You came

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<v Speaker 2>in and then are shutting it down, and it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she's trying her best, but it's annoying to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we are going to see a pattern of

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<v Speaker 1>overprotectiveness from this woman throughout this episode. As you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a little foreshadowing of that, so they say

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<v Speaker 1>they've got to find another way in. Katie's doctor confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>the pregnancy and said that she had sex repeatedly, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way to tell if it was forcible or not.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, I think there is ways to tell,

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<v Speaker 1>but I guess there's no evidence of whether it was

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<v Speaker 1>forcible or not. Huang wants her test results from her

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<v Speaker 1>day center so he can determine her abilities. So now

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<v Speaker 1>we're at the Manhattan Adult day Center and we see

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<v Speaker 1>a cute blonde man saying that Katie's IQ is fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five between moderate and mild mental retardation their words, not mine.

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<v Speaker 1>He asks how Katie's doing, and Live says, well, she's confused,

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<v Speaker 1>to which Blondie replies, well, she would understand more if

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<v Speaker 1>her mom let her out of the cocoon. Burn Rebecca Tolliver,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, is overprotective. She doesn't think Katie can function

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<v Speaker 1>in the world without her, and Blondie disagrees. And his

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<v Speaker 1>name is actually this actor's name is C. J. Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's had small parts in like Homeland, The Center,

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<v Speaker 1>House of Cards, the Americans, many shows that I like.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember him from these shows, but that shows

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<v Speaker 1>he's been in. Tells them about what Katie does at

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<v Speaker 1>the Center Art Music, and there's independent living classes and

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<v Speaker 1>sex ed and is also taught, but Katie's mom won't

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<v Speaker 1>let her take those classes, so they do background checks

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<v Speaker 1>on all the employees, references they've never had a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>He also tells them that Katie's best friend is named

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<v Speaker 1>Danny Jordan and he's one of their success stories. Any

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<v Speaker 1>chances they're more than friends, they ask, He says, we

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<v Speaker 1>supervise the clients very closely. No one has reported Danny

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<v Speaker 1>touching Katie, and he's taken dating and sex ed class,

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<v Speaker 1>Danny hass, so Danny knows what's up. So now we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Danny Jordan, and this is a little bit problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>It is two thousand and two. He is played by

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<v Speaker 1>an actor named James Badge Dale who is not mentally disabled,

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<v Speaker 1>but is playing someone who's mentally disabled. So he is

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<v Speaker 1>like putting on a full voice and doing a full

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<v Speaker 1>acting job of playing someone with mental disability that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you would see that today.

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<v Speaker 3>But he says he knows what sex is.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me interrupt for a second. Yeah, so that reminded

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<v Speaker 2>me of our former guest Will Sasso, who display someone

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe he shouldn't have been dropped. It gorgeous, best

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<v Speaker 2>movie ever. He was in the episode Send in the

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<v Speaker 2>Clowns that we covered. I got a DM from the

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<v Speaker 2>guy in the clown Mask.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>I had met him in New York years ago at

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<v Speaker 2>the Comedy Cellar, like he you know, he was an actor,

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 2>he was working at BuzzFeed. He's like me, he's Soviet

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<v Speaker 2>Union vibes. And he messaged me. He goes, yeah, someone

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<v Speaker 2>stopped me on the street and said that I have

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to that's messed up because you guys talk

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<v Speaker 2>about me and yeah, so he he just sent me

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<v Speaker 2>a message being like, I'm the guy in the clown mask.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you were menacing and you did get fucked over.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the guy that they framed. Oh my god, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe you talked to him. Amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he goes, I'm dying and then he goes so

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<v Speaker 2>many stories from that shoot, iced Tea being wild, the

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<v Speaker 2>director just telling me I have anger management issues and

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<v Speaker 2>I have to yell more.

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<v Speaker 3>Iced T and I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Yelled what was in the meet back and forth for

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<v Speaker 2>about a half an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I wish we could edit this into

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<v Speaker 1>the Old Sun in the Clowns episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I know who knew, but that's so.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, all these listeners are incredible because you know,

0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I love the show. Praise PD and Anna the creator

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<v Speaker 2>messaged me and she's like, yeah, my friend's sister in

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:25.119
<v Speaker 2>law said she listens to an SVU podcast that was talking.

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<v Speaker 3>About the show. Do you know anything about that? Nogo?

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<v Speaker 2>It was me.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, we're not talking about we're not promoting anything that

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood makes.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, what the fuck? Why won't they settle pieces of shit?

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.720
<v Speaker 1>I heard, like, there's so many rumors going on right now,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did hear last week somebody say that they

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<v Speaker 1>think that the CEO meeting is like they're getting their

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<v Speaker 1>ducks in a row and preparing to make an offer.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't fucking know. There's a lot of a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of rumors going on right now. Okay, So back

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<v Speaker 3>to this actor, Thanks for my little you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah, thank you for that side, very worthy interruption.

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<v Speaker 1>So this guy playing Danny Jordan, who is mentally disabled,

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 1>and he says he knows what sex is, but he

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:08.440
<v Speaker 1>says he never told Katie because she has to learn

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 1>about it in school first, and he says they've never

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>had sex. He knows someone has been bothering Katie, but

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:16.040
<v Speaker 1>he promised not to tell. They obviously convinced him like,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to know so we can help Katie, and

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 1>he goes, it's Ray, the bus driver. I take the

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>regular bus, she takes the little bus. Katie says Ray

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:25.840
<v Speaker 1>is mean to her and that he touched her. So

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<v Speaker 1>now we're at the grocery store where Katie works, and

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<v Speaker 1>the manager is like, yeah, she came in crying one day,

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<v Speaker 1>said that the bus driver pushed her. I told him

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<v Speaker 1>I'd get him fired if I ever heard that happened again.

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<v Speaker 1>He also says last month he fired the frozen food

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<v Speaker 1>manager for calling her an imbecile. So this guy is

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<v Speaker 1>coming off as a real, you know, captain of justice.

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<v Speaker 1>At his job, he doesn't let anybody talk any shit

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>to Katie. He says, we get an ignorant customer here

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<v Speaker 1>or there, but Katie doesn't get a ton of shit

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<v Speaker 1>at this job.

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<v Speaker 3>She's on the board.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, he's on the board of the day center, and

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't tolerate any bullshit like that. He says, he

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<v Speaker 1>gets employees from the center all the time, they get

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<v Speaker 1>union pay, real life experience, and they want to be there,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of them work harder than people without disabilities,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a great deal for everybody at the precinct.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex is like, we can't nab this bus driver until

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Katie tells us what he did. Elliott's on the phone

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 1>trying to get the mom to let them talk to Katie,

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and then they find out this guy Ray, the bus

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<v Speaker 1>driver's fifty two. He has no rap sheet, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was fired from a nursing home for allegedly stealing from

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the residents. He claimed they were all gifts, but he

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.679
<v Speaker 1>targeted people with dementia, so the cops obviously couldn't make

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<v Speaker 1>a case out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know what I just saw on a BuzzFeed

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<v Speaker 2>thing where you know, nursing homes and assisted living are different. Yeah,

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 2>and assisted living centers don't have the same like health

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 2>codes and cleanliness codes and like medical stuff because it's

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 2>not a medical place. And so a lot of these

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>assisted living facilities, I guess are gross as fuck. And

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 2>there's like STDs are like rampant in these assisted living

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:58.719
<v Speaker 2>facilities because everyone's hooking up.

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that's not bad. Old people get to fuck like.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm okay, I know, but they got to treat their

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>STDs too. STIs stiyes. So Elliot says, okay, we're all

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>set to talk to Katie tomorrow, and to make it happen,

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 1>he promised her a trip to the zoo. So now

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>we're at the Central Park Zoo. Stabler couldn't cough it

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 1>up for the Bronx Zoo. I just took Rosie to

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the zoo. It's the Central Park one. It's tiny. I

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 1>went to this seal ingclosure. It smells like absolute shit

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 1>and they're hanging out right outside of it, and Katie

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 1>and her mom are just laughing at the seals. The

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>seals are barking. It's a lovely day. Live and Elliott

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>show up with Cabot. Elliott takes the mom away and

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Live in Cabbot are left to talk to Katie. We

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 1>first go to Elliott and Rebecca, the mom chatting. He

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>brings up his twins. She talks about how when she

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 1>found out she was pregnant, she dreamed of graduations, weddings, grandchildren.

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.760
<v Speaker 1>You know she's sixty seven. She goes, I can't take

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>care of two completely dependent people. Like my daughter and

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>her child, and he's like, well, the guy at the

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>center thinks she has the potential to live on her own.

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>And the mom's like, oh yeah, well that fucker thinks

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>he can teach anyone anything. I let Katie out, and

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 1>look what happened. I let her out into the real world,

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 1>and look what happened. Back to live in Alex tucking

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 1>to Katie, trying to get her to give some specifics

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 1>on this bus driver. She says he took her necklace

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's a heart with a picture of her mom inside.

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 1>She told her mom she lost it because Ray said

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>he'd hurt them if she told. She also says he

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>pinches her, and she shows where she starts at her arm,

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 1>but then she points to her butt and her breast,

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<v Speaker 1>So what the fuck is up with this bus driver?

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<v Speaker 1>But she gets upset talking about it and calls for

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 1>her mom, and the mom's like, you promised you wouldn't

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>upset her, and then whisks her off for home. And

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>they're like, this is not enough to prove rape, but

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>it is enough for a search warrant for this guy's place.

0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>So we cut to Finn and Munch at Ray's apartment

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and Finn's like, what a dump and just shits on

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>the furniture immediately, which I love. And then Munch finds

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Katie's necklace like in three seconds, like it's lying out

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 1>like with a sign on it that says here's where

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 1>the necklace is.

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Babes.

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>So Benson and Stabler go to a rest Ray and

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the bus driver's like, what I do? Stabler off them

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 1>up a little and says, Ray, when a cop tells

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you to do something, you should just do it, which

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't really agree with, but you know, this guy

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 1>might be a child molester and at the very least

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 1>is a thief of vulnerable people. In interrogation at the

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 1>top of act two, it's the Cement and bars kind.

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Ray is worried that the bus company will fire him

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>for leaving the bus on the street. Yeah, what does

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 1>happen when you arrest a bus driver? There's just a

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>bus hanging out on the street. And they're like, yeah,

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 1>they'll they'll probably fire you for that, or maybe for

0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>robbing your passengers. And he goes, which one of those

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>are words? Told you that very two thousand and two.

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's like, you don't want to use that word around

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>me again. Basically, he's going to introduce your face to

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 1>a filing cabinet and give you the old Stabler special,

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 1>so you better watch your mouth. They show him the

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 1>necklace and he claims it was a gift, just like

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>at the nursing home, and they go Katie says, you

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>stole it, and he goes, well, it's my word against

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a morons, and he goes, oh, it just slipped out,

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.239
<v Speaker 1>and then Stabler kicks the chair out from under him

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>as he's about to sit down, and Stabler goes, it

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>just slipped out, so immature but hilarious. Stabler goes, a

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.479
<v Speaker 1>jury's not gonna love a purv taking advantage of mentally

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>challenged women. Katie says, you touched her breast. He says, yeah,

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe taking her in and out of the van, but

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>I never went near any of them. And then they go, well,

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 1>then how'd you get her pregnant? And the guy starts laughing.

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>He's like, listen, after I knocked up my ex wife twice,

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I got a vasectomy, I'm shooting blanks, so I didn't

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 1>knock anybody up. So now they're debriefing Kragan, and in

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 1>this case, the bus driver is telling the truth. He

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>had the operation two years ago, and they're going to

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 1>book him for petty larceny. They can bump it up

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>to robbery three if they can prove force. So we

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 1>still have no idea who assaulted Katie. Finn and Munch

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 1>arrived with some information. Apparently the state Office of Mental Retardation,

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 1>which I didn't know existed, investigated Katie's day Center after

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 1>an anonymous caller said some shady shit was going down there,

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 1>and the same day the investigation started, an instructor named

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Joe Parker quit. So let's go talk to Joe Parker

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 1>at a place on Seventh Avenue simply called special needs school.

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 1>They literally couldn't come up with like, you know, the

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 1>clank special needs school, the trigger's special, it's just the

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 1>special needs school. Bunch and Finn go to talk to

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Joe Parker. He says he left because he got a

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 1>better job, and then they play him the anonymous tip

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>from the phone and it's definitely his voice. He's like, fine,

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I made the call, but I'm not telling you anything else,

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, clearly he wants to say more, and

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 1>he immediately does. He says he quit because of Scott

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Lucas the blonde guy, and he claims that Scott got

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>one of the clients pregnant.

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 3>Done done, Okay are we.

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>This episode is filled with red herrings, so what's happening?

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.959
<v Speaker 1>They go to the center and Scott's like, okay, listen,

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 1>all of this is true, except for me being the

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 1>person that did the impregnating. A client got pregnant. It

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 1>was another client who was the father. We tested the

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 1>DNA and everything. We didn't go to the cops. We

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 1>thought we could handle it internally, and it's why we

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>started teaching the dating classes because of parents like Katie's mother,

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>this could easily happen again. The clients have the minds

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 1>of children, but they have adult bodies and hormones, so

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 1>we got to teach them what to do and not

0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:00.959
<v Speaker 1>do with their bods. So Live in Elle leave and

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the live admits that the guy is right about Katie's mom.

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 1>She has to let Katie talk to Huang, and Elliott says,

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:08.880
<v Speaker 1>let me take another shot at the mom. So now

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 1>they're at a plant shop where the mom works, and

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Elliott is giving her the full court press and is

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:14.760
<v Speaker 1>finally like, who are you trying to protect?

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 3>Here?

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'm not saying it's your fault, but she's like,

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 1>all of this is happening because twenty two years ago

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 1>I chose to have a child with Down syndrome rather

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>than have an abortion.

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.800
<v Speaker 3>It destroyed my marriage. She's my whole life.

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 1>I have to protect her, so you could see why

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 1>she's overprotective, but also her overprotectiveness possibly has led to

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 1>what has happened. So it's, you know, typical SVU, making

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.480
<v Speaker 1>you think about all sides of the situation. Stabler says,

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 1>let's make sure this doesn't happen again. We'll talk to

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>her at the day center where she's comfortable, familiar surroundings.

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:47.800
<v Speaker 1>The ADA will be there so she doesn't have to

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 1>repeat herself. She can just say her statement at one time.

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 1>So now we cut Tohog interviewing Katie with Cabot beside her.

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 1>She's he's quizzing her own body parts and she knows

0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 1>all of them and giggles when she has to say

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 1>boob and it's like me too, girl. And now they

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.240
<v Speaker 1>talk about friends, and she says Danny's her best friend.

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>They eat lunch together, they talk, they do other stuff

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 1>that's private, like touch each other. When she has to

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 1>point out the touching locations on Alex. She just holds

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Alex's hand. It's really sweet. And then she goes and

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>we kiss and she kind of like rubs Alex's cheek

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:20.799
<v Speaker 1>and then she says, but Danny doesn't touch me on

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.319
<v Speaker 1>my private parts. She thinks she got her baby from

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Danny from kissing and calls Huanga dumbass. She's like, you

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>don't even know how sex work, do you, dummy? And

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 1>then they break it to the mom that Danny is

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Katie's boyfriend and that he might be the father. But

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Katie still has no idea how she got pregnant, So

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Rebecca starts yelling at the blonde guy, like how could

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:40.799
<v Speaker 1>you let this happen? And he's like, ma'am, you know

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:42.920
<v Speaker 1>we watch her like a hawk. If this happened with Danny,

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 1>it didn't happen here. Katie's uncorroborated statement isn't enough to

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 1>arrest anyone because of her disability, and we can't compare

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>DNA until the baby's born. Rebecca says, well, we're terminating

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the pregnancy tomorrow. So Scott Lucas is heated. He's like,

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 1>have you told Katie? Does she have a say in this,

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 1>and Rebecca's like, the baby has a fifty fifty chance

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>of having down syndrome. Who's going to take care of

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 1>them when I'm gone? He says, we will here with

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 1>our resources at the center, and she's like, I'm not

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 1>having her go through what I've gone through.

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 3>She can't keep this baby.

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.719
<v Speaker 1>So Katie walks in overhearing and is like, why why

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 1>can't I have my baby? And she tries the mom

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:17.919
<v Speaker 1>tries to explain it to her. She's like, I can't

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 1>take care of both of you, and she's like, why

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 1>can't I be a mommy?

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 3>And everyone's looking at the floor.

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 1>It's very uncomfortable, and Rebecca's like, let's not talk about

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 1>this now. She gives the address to Stabler where they're

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>going to have the abortion and says I'll meet you

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>tom like, you can meet us there tomorrow and you

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:33.479
<v Speaker 1>can get your DNA sample. So they leave as Katie

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>is continuing to beg her like Mommy, please don't take

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:39.319
<v Speaker 1>away my baby. At the clinic, Katie's checking in and

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Benson is there to get the tissue sample.

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 3>Then this is the next day.

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Then Scott shows up, the blonde guy and Rebecca's like,

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 1>what the hell are you doing here? And he's got

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 1>a lawyer with him, and he's filed an injunction to

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:52.240
<v Speaker 1>stop the abortion because Katie has a right to decide,

0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 1>So he's challenging the mother's guardianship based on the fact

0:36:56.080 --> 0:37:00.200
<v Speaker 1>that she's making her daughter terminate her pregnancy against her wishes.

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>The mother argues she's not capable of making that decision,

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 1>and then that's the end of C two. So now

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>at the precinct, Alex is laying it out for Benson

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:11.399
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler. If the court finds Katie competent to care

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 1>for her child, her rapist lawyer will argue that she's

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 1>competent to consent to sex. So this is like a

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>real catch twenty two here, even though she barely knows

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.480
<v Speaker 1>where this baby came from, they'll focus on the fact

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 1>that she never said no. Alex asks how far along

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>is Katie and they tell her ten weeks too early

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 1>for an amnio, but not for a CVS test, which

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 1>is when tissue is taken from the placenta lining and

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:35.800
<v Speaker 1>used to get the baby's DNA, and it's less risky

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 1>than an amnio, and maybe the mom will go for

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:40.919
<v Speaker 1>it because we'll find out if the baby has down

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>syndrome or not. So before they even make it to

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>the building, the mom is outside panicking. Kati's supposed to

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>be at school, but she never got there. I don't

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>know where Katie is. So sometimes it's crazy to me

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:52.920
<v Speaker 1>that they set up these whole scenes, like, you know,

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>there was like a crew and all the shit craft services, extras,

0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 1>everything outside of this apartment building just for her to go.

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Katie supposed to be at school and never got there,

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 1>and then they cut to another scene, like it just

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 1>is wild to me. So anyway, at the precinct, we

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.760
<v Speaker 1>find out that Danny is not at the day center.

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 1>He called in sick, so they're probably somewhere together. He

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 1>has an independent living apartment in the East Village. His

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 1>parents are in Riverdale. They might be on the run

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 1>to prevent the abortion. But it turns out also that

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Danny's parents have an old apartment on seventy third in Amsterdam,

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>where Danny grew up. They might be headed there. Danny

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:29.399
<v Speaker 1>has a roommate named Andy McCollum at his East Village place,

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 1>so they go talk to him at the apartment and

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Andy is in a wheelchair with a sassy attitude. Danny

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't tell me where he went. We don't answer to

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:38.439
<v Speaker 1>each other. So he says he was there last night.

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>He saw Danny earlier, and he's being really cagy with

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:42.719
<v Speaker 1>the details. And it's a free country. He says, you

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:44.800
<v Speaker 1>need to find Katie. So a mom can a boarder baby.

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I know everything that's going on, and Andy is not

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 1>down with this plan. And then Finn goes, come on

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Andy with the attitude, we just want to make sure

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>they're both safe, and Andy's like, all right, he was

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 1>here this morning. They took some clothes and left. He

0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>asked for money, but he didn't have any cash, so

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I gave him my ATM car and they're like, is

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 1>that something you normally do? He could clean you out,

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, he won't. If you can't trust Danny,

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:06.919
<v Speaker 1>you can't trust anyone. So I love that these guys

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 1>are buddies. On the Upper West Side, Stabler meets up

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 1>with Munch and Finn and confirm that Danny used the

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>ATM in that area and took out two hundred dollars,

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and Finn goes, you can barely get dinner in this neighborhood.

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 3>For two hundred dollars.

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:19.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, I used to live there and I

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 1>ate from a bodega most of the time, so you can.

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Benson goes, okay, Well, a couple like that would stand out,

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:28.319
<v Speaker 1>and it's like watch it. Olivia like, let's not. Let's

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>I know it's only O two. So they start canvassing

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood. At a pharmacy, a guy recognizes their photo

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 1>and says they were in there because Katie was throwing up.

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:40.440
<v Speaker 1>He didn't give her anything for the vomiting because she's pregnant,

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 1>but told them to get ginger ale. It's as good

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 1>as anything, which is apparently not true. Many of you

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>have told me when Lisa and I had our sprite

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 1>versus ginger ale conversation when you're sick, that ginger ale

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.800
<v Speaker 1>apparently nowadays doesn't even have enough ginger to even warrant

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 1>being good for your stomach. But for me, it is

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.319
<v Speaker 1>the flat ginger ale is the thing to have when

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 1>you feel sick, and that's what I I had when

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:02.839
<v Speaker 1>I was pregnant. A guy at a deli also recognizes

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 1>them and said they must have a newborn because they

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>cleaned him out of diapers. In infant size, and they

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>also bought ginger ale and the girl said she needed

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:13.279
<v Speaker 1>a job, and he goes, I could tell she was

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>a bit slow, and it's like, well, nothing gets by you,

0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>and he says the husband helped her fill out a

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 1>job application because she was looking for a job. So

0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 1>they know where they are, and next we're at Broadway Arms,

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 1>which I think is an apartment building but because it

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 1>looks like one, but later they say it's a hotel

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>but it has a kitchen in it, so who knows.

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Katie's there and tells them that she's cooking soup and

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 1>her mom won't let her cook, but Danny taught her how.

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>So she offers Lives some chocolate milk and Lives like,

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 1>hit me, babe, let's do it. I want chocolate milk.

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:41.920
<v Speaker 1>And Danny walks in and is like what do you

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 1>cops want and he says, you can't take our baby,

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, well, Rebecca, Katie's mom wants her home,

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:50.239
<v Speaker 1>and Katie's like, this is our new home. And she

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:53.240
<v Speaker 1>shows them their beds and they have separate twin beds

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 1>and Danny's like, we're getting married. So this is like

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:58.320
<v Speaker 1>very sweet that they have, you know, kind of decided

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:01.480
<v Speaker 1>to just start their own life together. At the precinct,

0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Rebecca hugs Katie and is like, I was so worried

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 1>about you, and and she's yelling at Danny what did

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 1>you do to her?

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 3>And Danny's like, I didn't hurt her.

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.399
<v Speaker 1>I love her and she loves me, and he says,

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I never had sex with Katie. And he even told

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Katie what sex was earlier, and she didn't believe him.

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 1>She said, that's not sex, that's exercise. And that is

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>the scariest part of this whole thing is that she

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 1>was having sex. She thought it was called exercise. So

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:28.680
<v Speaker 1>now they're talking to Katie in an office with her mom.

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 1>She explains exercises when you pull your pants down and

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 1>you sit on someone's lap, and they're like, who taught

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 1>you that? And she says it's a secret, and the

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:38.600
<v Speaker 1>mom says, you can tell me and Olivia, but then

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:40.440
<v Speaker 1>he won't give me any more ice cream and candy,

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 1>she says, and they're like, who won't And she goes,

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:47.240
<v Speaker 1>mister Cheney, that's done done. Her boss at the grocery store,

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.799
<v Speaker 1>the hero who hires people from the center and is

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.240
<v Speaker 1>on their board, but is fully just a predator.

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:54.320
<v Speaker 3>Everyone is trash.

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Katie says it hurt, but he said it wouldn't hurt

0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 1>once she could do it better. Oh Vi and Rebecca

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 1>looks sickened, but they try to kind of hold it

0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:05.400
<v Speaker 1>together for Katie to like not express how like horrifying

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:09.320
<v Speaker 1>this is. So now we've got Cheney, the grocery store manager,

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 1>in interrogation and he's like, this is the thanks I

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 1>get for trying to help Katie, and it's like he goes,

0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>the only exercise Katie and I ever did was task repetition,

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:19.480
<v Speaker 1>which is how you train disabled people to function in

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:22.360
<v Speaker 1>a work environment. And they're like, and dropping your pants

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:24.800
<v Speaker 1>is part of it. Finn asks he acts like Katie

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 1>can't separate reality from fantasy. They're like, just give us

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:30.960
<v Speaker 1>that sweet DNA swab and we can clear this all up.

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 1>And then he lawyers up. So not looking good if

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:37.840
<v Speaker 1>you're innocent. Cabot tells them Katie's mom's taking her to

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 1>get the CVS test. When you get the tissue sample,

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 1>call me. I'll get a warrant for this guy Cheney's DNA.

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 3>In the middle of the conversation, though, Alex gets served

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.760
<v Speaker 3>and live rushes up and goesh, call he just got served.

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:51.719
<v Speaker 3>He wanted to warn you. Oops, it's too late. She's

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 3>already been served.

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Scott Lucas's attorney is calling on Huang and Cabot to

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>testify that Katie is competent to keep her baby. So

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:02.399
<v Speaker 1>now Cabot is talking to a bureau chief, our girl,

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Donnelly aka Judith Light, and she's like, no problem,

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>this compromises an ongoing investigation. I'll make the subpoena go away.

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:11.840
<v Speaker 1>And Cabot's like, I'm not sure that's a good idea,

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, well, it is if you want to

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:16.839
<v Speaker 1>put Katie's rapist away. And Cabot's like, Katie's mom wants

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.240
<v Speaker 1>to abort the baby, and maybe that should be Katie's choice,

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 1>And Donnelly's like, you want to be a crusader for

0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 1>victim's rights, go work for social service. In this house,

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>we believe that you fucking nail purpse. And that's it.

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 1>So Alex says, Katie has already been victimized once. If

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:33.759
<v Speaker 1>I testify, I don't want to victimize her twice. And

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Donnaly's like, you're not Katie Tolliver's lawyer, you represent the

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:38.719
<v Speaker 1>people of the state of New York. Your duty is

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 1>to convict her rapist. And if she's found confident, you're

0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>going to lose. Cheney's lawyer will say, get her to

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:45.319
<v Speaker 1>say that she knew what she was doing and that

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 1>she liked it, and he will destroy her on the stand.

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 1>So now we're back at the plant shop, alex is

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 1>talking to Rebecca. Scott Lucas will drop his challenge of

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:56.360
<v Speaker 1>her guardianship if you agree not to terminate the pregnancy,

0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, that's the whole fucking point. I can't

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.880
<v Speaker 1>do that. Needs the abortion and to have her tubes

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:04.360
<v Speaker 1>tied so this doesn't happen again. And she's like, well,

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 1>what about what Katie wants? And the mom's like, I

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 1>love my daughter. Maybe I should have let her take

0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 1>sex ed, but I knew she wouldn't get it, And

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 1>then Cabot kind of just cuts to the chase and goes,

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:16.319
<v Speaker 1>why do you need Katie to be so dependent? And

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.759
<v Speaker 1>she's like, I have sacrificed everything for her, and Cabbot goes, yeah,

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 1>including Katie's right to live her own life, and Rebecca

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:24.279
<v Speaker 1>looks taken aback no one's ever called her out like this.

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it just takes a Cabot, a Cabot convo to.

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Snap you to get you together.

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:33.880
<v Speaker 1>In court, Cabot is testifying that when detectives found Katie,

0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the hotel room again I thought it was an amartment

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:39.080
<v Speaker 1>was immaculate. Katie had bought diapers and was cooking food.

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 1>She had also applied for the job at a deli.

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 1>The lawyer is like, why did you testify today and

0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:47.600
<v Speaker 1>jeopardize your rape case? And Cabot says, all evidence points

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.319
<v Speaker 1>to Katie being able to care for a child and

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:50.320
<v Speaker 1>to be able to choose.

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:51.320
<v Speaker 3>Whether or not to have that child.

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:56.719
<v Speaker 1>And then okay, the defense or that guy rests and now, uh,

0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Rebecca hired Roger Kressler, so look out because he is

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 1>no one to be trifled with. He approaches Cabot with

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:05.239
<v Speaker 1>the DD five that Benson wrote about the interview with

0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Katie at the zoo. The document says that Katie could

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>not articulate what happened to her and shows absolute compliance

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 1>to authority figures do you think someone who can't accurately

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:16.600
<v Speaker 1>describe being attacked can take care of a child? And

0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Cabot's like, many women cannot describe the details of their attack.

0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 1>You're taking this out of context. Then they literally slam

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:27.480
<v Speaker 1>her with a do you have children, Ada, Cabot not detective.

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Do you have children, Assistant district attorney? She goes, no,

0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't. He goes, do you think buying diapers six

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 1>months before birth demonstrates good judgment? It is something I

0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:38.640
<v Speaker 1>thought about. You really don't need to have diapers hanging

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 1>around for that long? But did you know Katie once

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>set fire to her mother's apartment trying to use the stove,

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and Cabots got him there. She goes, I set fire

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 1>to my own stove last year, very very classy. And

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 1>she goes, you sit here saying you know more about

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>what Katie is capable of than her mother. And it

0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:58.479
<v Speaker 1>kind of ends on that, and we cut to Huong

0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.319
<v Speaker 1>on the stand and Katie has He says Katie has

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>low IQ but is high functioning. He testifies that Katie

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:06.359
<v Speaker 1>was more vulnerable to RATE because she didn't know what

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:08.840
<v Speaker 1>was happening to her because her mother prevented sex education.

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 1>He testifies that he thinks Katie could care for a

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:13.880
<v Speaker 1>child and that with the correct social service support in

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 1>case management, they would be fine. Kressler approaches and goes,

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:20.279
<v Speaker 1>what about her competence to consent to sex? She didn't

0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.720
<v Speaker 1>know what sex was, and so she was incapable of consent,

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 1>So she's incapable of making decisions that affect her life.

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 1>And Kuwang go's that's not what I said. She can

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:31.080
<v Speaker 1>make decisions and choices based on the proper info. Huang

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:32.960
<v Speaker 1>says he spent two and a half hours with Katie

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 1>at her day center, and Kresler's like, so you talk

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 1>to her in a vacuum, and so we're getting the

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:41.319
<v Speaker 1>feeling that Kressler's kind of like getting the one up

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 1>on all these uds.

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I'm tim Kressler like, cabin mind your business,

0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Like why are you You're going to decide if this

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:49.400
<v Speaker 2>woman is competent enough or not.

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 3>It's just like it does. It is annoying to me.

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's also just not enough, Like her escaping to

0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 1>a hotel where she cooked soup and offered chocolate milk

0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:01.840
<v Speaker 1>is like not really enough to say. Let you know, like,

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm fully in possession of all my mental faculties and

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:09.880
<v Speaker 1>having children is so fucking hard. So I'm just saying,

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.840
<v Speaker 1>like when her mother is gone or her mother is

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:15.880
<v Speaker 1>in advanced age. It will be quite a difficult task,

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:18.759
<v Speaker 1>I would say, but what do I know? I'm sure

0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:20.359
<v Speaker 1>you're going to tell me about a real case maybe

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:22.239
<v Speaker 1>where this or maybe there isn't Maybe I don't know,

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 1>maybe there isn't one who knows anyway.

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:25.240
<v Speaker 3>Now Katie is on the stand.

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 1>She says her mom doesn't let her do laundry, kushelll

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:29.920
<v Speaker 1>mess up the clothes and she can't use the stove

0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:32.400
<v Speaker 1>because of the fire. But Danny taught her how. So

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 1>we're you know, Danny's teaching her how to do stuff.

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:36.920
<v Speaker 1>She says, we bought bottles and diapers and he's going

0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 1>to show me how to give the baby a bath.

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:40.760
<v Speaker 1>I can do this, mama, I can do lots of things.

0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 1>And it's really sweet how she's like really begging to

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:45.960
<v Speaker 1>do it. And Cressler's like, how do you change a diaper?

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 1>How do you feed a baby? What do you do

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:49.840
<v Speaker 1>when a baby has a fever? She doesn't know the

0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 1>answer to any of these questions, but she's like, but

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.319
<v Speaker 1>I can learn. Danny will help me. And like, to

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 1>be fair, my husband didn't know the answers to any

0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:57.880
<v Speaker 1>of these questions. Before we had a baby, like, you

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>do have to learn this stuff. So I don't knows

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.480
<v Speaker 1>has points, but he's like bullying a person with mental

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 1>disability right now, and he's like, but you can't do

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:08.600
<v Speaker 1>it by yourself, can you? And Katie starts crying and

0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Rebecca gets up and it's like stop stop this. In

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:14.759
<v Speaker 1>the precinct, Cabot reveals that Rebecca has given up her

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:21.120
<v Speaker 1>guardianship and now that Katie is considered competent, the rape

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 1>case is out the window. Why is she competent though,

0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 1>just because of their testimony, Like who actually declared her

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:28.880
<v Speaker 1>competent anyway, I guess. So they say, now that Katie

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:30.960
<v Speaker 1>is competent, the rape case is out the window, and

0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Donnelly is going to have her ass But the results

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:35.840
<v Speaker 1>came back and it is positive that Cheney is the father.

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 3>But this conviction is going to be tough.

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:40.000
<v Speaker 1>His attorney's going to make it seem like she consented

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:42.400
<v Speaker 1>to sex and lives like she was in that office

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 1>three days a week. Someone must have seen her go

0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:45.880
<v Speaker 1>in there or told someone at work, we need to

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.839
<v Speaker 1>talk to Katie and they're like, well, her mom won't

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:50.799
<v Speaker 1>let you go near her. And they're like, well, what

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 1>if we have good news for a change. So Stabler

0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 1>meets Rebecca in a park and tells her, I've got

0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:58.800
<v Speaker 1>news for you. Your grandchild does not have Down syndrome.

0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:02.239
<v Speaker 1>And she says, oh, thank god. But the way she

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:04.839
<v Speaker 1>says it is she goes, oh thank god, like she's

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.640
<v Speaker 1>so relieved. But you didn't need to meet us here

0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:10.120
<v Speaker 1>to tell us that, she says and lives like, we're

0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:12.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna lose this rape case against Cheney unless we talk

0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:15.200
<v Speaker 1>to Katie. And Katie is over pushing a little kid

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:17.760
<v Speaker 1>on the swings and it's really sweet and she's talking.

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:21.800
<v Speaker 1>She's totally down to talk to Elliott Olivia. She's like, Hi, Elliott,

0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Hi Olivia. Like she's like embracing them, and she tells them, yeah,

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 1>once mister Cheney got mad at me when I saw

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:31.319
<v Speaker 1>him exercising with Mary Anne and he yelled at me.

0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:34.000
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, mary Anne, who's that? And she goes

0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 1>she lets me play with her baby girl, Julia. So

0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:39.560
<v Speaker 1>now we're in the interrogation room with this rapist Cheney,

0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 1>and he's being represented by renowned hattie Trevor Langen aka

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Peter Herman aka Personal Laundry spokesperson and mister merscall Hargatee.

0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm upset that he's taken this case cause it's with DNA.

0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:53.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's open and shut. In walks Cabt with Katie.

0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:57.400
<v Speaker 1>She walks into the room with this man and Cheney

0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.680
<v Speaker 1>looks shook. He's like, uh and his lo players offer

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.759
<v Speaker 1>sexual misconduct a misdemeanor and there's no way, Cabot says,

0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:06.760
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, come on, you don't want to embarrass

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Katie in court again. She never said no. She enjoyed it.

0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:12.359
<v Speaker 1>She kept coming back for more. And Cabbot's like, one

0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:14.439
<v Speaker 1>count of rape, two for Katie and he does ten years.

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 1>And Langan's like, we'll take our chances in court. And

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:18.960
<v Speaker 1>she's like, I thought you might say that, and she

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:21.480
<v Speaker 1>slaps down a bunch of pictures of kids that this

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 1>sick fuck has fathered with employees he's been raping over

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the years, three of whom Three of these employees were

0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 1>underage at the time. We went through your financials and

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:33.080
<v Speaker 1>you've been paying the moms off for their silence. It's

0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:36.359
<v Speaker 1>a very wealthy grocery store manager. She goes, now you're

0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 1>going to pay more, and she hands them a petition

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:41.720
<v Speaker 1>for child support. There are five more coming. That's six kids.

0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Each will receive seventeen percent of your chain of grocery stores,

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 1>your personal fortune and everything you own. Your money is

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 1>going to take care of Katie and her child for

0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the rest of their lives. And I guess this guy

0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:54.360
<v Speaker 1>is like part of the Gristities family or something. And

0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Langan looks very defeated. He like walks away from his client.

0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Cheney's eyes are bulging out of his head. And Katie

0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:02.680
<v Speaker 1>looks proud of herself for standing up to this monster,

0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:04.719
<v Speaker 1>and behind the glass, her mom looks very proud of

0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:05.279
<v Speaker 1>her as well.

0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:06.799
<v Speaker 3>And that's dick Wolf.

0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:11.000
<v Speaker 1>My baby's a rough episode, obviously, but I love that

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Katie's victorious in the end, and I guess is keeping

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:13.680
<v Speaker 1>her baby.

0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:16.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'm glad this dude is what is it,

0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:19.080
<v Speaker 2>seventeen percent per person now.

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, seventeen percent per child? Wow?

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Wow, But that's even more than one hundred percent seventeen

0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:33.279
<v Speaker 1>times six. Yeah, it's one o two, So I guess

0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:35.880
<v Speaker 1>she's rounding up all right, all right, so it's like

0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 1>probably sixteen point eight percent or something like that.

0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I do love when cabin uh lays down the law.

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:43.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 2>I love when she goes to a boardroom, you know,

0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:47.960
<v Speaker 2>really gets the money out of these motherfuckers.

0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:51.439
<v Speaker 3>Fuck. So he's not going to jail, he's just gonna pay.

0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:55.680
<v Speaker 3>He's I think he's all so good a going.

0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:57.640
<v Speaker 1>They're also going to take him to court and see

0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:01.480
<v Speaker 1>what happens. But I think he should take the deal

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:02.600
<v Speaker 1>because but.

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Is he like Nick Cannon, like he loves bothering or

0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:08.640
<v Speaker 2>it's just like it happens, or he obviously gets something

0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:10.600
<v Speaker 2>off of getting these people pregnant.

0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or he just doesn't like to use condoms. And

0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I'd rather pay for like pay for these kid,

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:18.480
<v Speaker 1>pay these moms off. I hope it's a successful grocery

0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:20.280
<v Speaker 1>store chain because I want them to get all the money.

0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:22.000
<v Speaker 3>It's just tough.

0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:24.279
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I mean, we'll get into it with the

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:42.400
<v Speaker 2>real case, all right, So stay tuned. So this episode

0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 2>is based on the case of a net r Annette

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:48.319
<v Speaker 2>was a forty one year old mentally disabled woman who

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:50.719
<v Speaker 2>was driven home one day by a coworker and she

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:53.800
<v Speaker 2>was assaulted. But she didn't know the word for rape

0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:57.319
<v Speaker 2>or what had happened to her in any capacity, and

0:52:57.400 --> 0:53:01.040
<v Speaker 2>it has an IQ of sixty three, and this coworker

0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:04.400
<v Speaker 2>pulled his car into a vacant lot forcibly, removed her clothing,

0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:07.480
<v Speaker 2>and then raped her. She came home, she cried all night,

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 2>but said nothing to her parents and just went to

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 2>work the next day. While at her job at a

0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:14.040
<v Speaker 2>fast food restaurant, she did her job, but then the

0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:16.720
<v Speaker 2>same man approached her, which led her to like fully

0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:19.680
<v Speaker 2>break down and tell a friend. And so she explained

0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:22.200
<v Speaker 2>to her friend what happened, but she said that the

0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:25.439
<v Speaker 2>man urinated on her, and her friend then like had

0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:26.680
<v Speaker 2>to explain to an.

0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Net what rape is.

0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:31.759
<v Speaker 2>H and the mentally disabled have the same protections as

0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:35.240
<v Speaker 2>underage people, so like, even if there is actual consent,

0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:39.880
<v Speaker 2>it's irrelevant because the person is incapable of giving legal consent.

0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:43.200
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of these crimes are non forcible crimes,

0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:45.800
<v Speaker 2>according to The New York Times in nineteen ninety three.

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:49.440
<v Speaker 2>But there are like there's a breach of trust or

0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:54.480
<v Speaker 2>subtle coersion or submission to authority. So even if it's

0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:58.680
<v Speaker 2>not like physical like overpowering, there.

0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Is like this subtle core that takes place.

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:05.400
<v Speaker 2>And those that have diminished capacity are often very trusting,

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 2>especially of people they respect, so they're often not included

0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:13.520
<v Speaker 2>in all social circles and they're desperate for acceptance. And

0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:16.200
<v Speaker 2>like above, even when a victim is capable of speaking

0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 2>about it, it's usually too late or too vague, and

0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't meet the requirements of criminal prosecution.

0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:23.840
<v Speaker 3>So these are just like really tough cases.

0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:28.040
<v Speaker 2>And obviously we always talk about how predators know who

0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:29.640
<v Speaker 2>they should.

0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:32.080
<v Speaker 3>Go after, you know, vulnerable, and.

0:54:33.920 --> 0:54:36.200
<v Speaker 2>So very few cases of sexual assault make their way

0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:39.680
<v Speaker 2>through their co worts, and especially with a disabled population.

0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Barbara Eggenhauser was the Chief of General Trials in the

0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:46.920
<v Speaker 2>District Attorney's office and she was able to get a

0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 2>conviction for a neet's assailant September nineteen ninety three, but

0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:54.080
<v Speaker 2>for sexual abuse, not rape, and it was not easy.

0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:57.839
<v Speaker 2>Barbara goes through why it's harder to get the conviction. First,

0:54:57.920 --> 0:54:59.960
<v Speaker 2>there needs to be a witness that meets the threshold

0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:03.880
<v Speaker 2>requirement where they must possess the intelligence and capacity to

0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:06.840
<v Speaker 2>understand what an oath means and what the truth means.

0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Another issue is the requirement of corroboration. New York state

0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:14.480
<v Speaker 2>law states that a person cannot be convicted of a

0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:18.240
<v Speaker 2>crime based solely on the victim's testimony if the victim

0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:22.920
<v Speaker 2>is mentally defective. This requirement used to be for all

0:55:23.000 --> 0:55:26.759
<v Speaker 2>rape victims, but that has been removed even with a

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:30.799
<v Speaker 2>child testifying, and so it only exists for the mentally disabled.

0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:33.800
<v Speaker 3>So that's tough.

0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:36.360
<v Speaker 2>And then some people have issues with efforts to integrate

0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:38.319
<v Speaker 2>the mentally so this is like very much about the

0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:40.520
<v Speaker 2>mom and stuff. So, like, some people have issues with

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:43.560
<v Speaker 2>efforts to integrate the mentally disabled into society as a

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:47.359
<v Speaker 2>whole because it makes them more vulnerable to crime and exploitation.

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:51.360
<v Speaker 2>But most professionals that work with the special population disagree

0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 2>and they're like it brings them up like more risk

0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:59.959
<v Speaker 2>and abuse because they're isolated and institutionalized. Like assaults still

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:02.960
<v Speaker 2>remains really high. So no matter how you shake it,

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:05.360
<v Speaker 2>it's bad. It's like they're either in a center super

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:08.719
<v Speaker 2>isolated with tons of people that can abuse them, or

0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:11.799
<v Speaker 2>they're out in the world, making them vulnerable to exploitation

0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:15.920
<v Speaker 2>by you know, grocery store people, so you know, just

0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:17.480
<v Speaker 2>fucking bad people everywhere.

0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:21.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then some people also think, so this is wild.

0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:25.239
<v Speaker 2>So some people think that mentally disabled population can't have

0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:30.319
<v Speaker 2>feelings or don't experience emotions. So I guess there are

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:32.080
<v Speaker 2>people who just are like, well, they don't know what's

0:56:32.080 --> 0:56:36.360
<v Speaker 2>going on, so they can't feel actual repercussions from a

0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:41.640
<v Speaker 2>sexual assault. And for that reason, read an impact statement

0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:44.400
<v Speaker 2>at the criminal trial, and so this is what she said,

0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Dear judge, I would like Oh to get the maximum

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:51.040
<v Speaker 2>years in prison because he hurt me very badly. It

0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:53.960
<v Speaker 2>changed my body and my life. After the rape, I

0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:56.640
<v Speaker 2>had to sleep with the light on. I had terrible nightmares.

0:56:56.719 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I cried so much he laughed, judge when they arrested him.

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I became very depressed and so sad. I tried to

0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:07.080
<v Speaker 2>commit suicide with sleeping pills. I lost my job and

0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I can no longer babysit for my sister's son. I

0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:12.720
<v Speaker 2>had no feelings for a long time. I couldn't enjoy

0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:17.600
<v Speaker 2>any birthdays or by any presents or anything. So it

0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:20.560
<v Speaker 2>seems like she fucking gets what happened and had things

0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:23.880
<v Speaker 2>happened to her. Oh was convicted of six counts of

0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:26.920
<v Speaker 2>sexual abuse and was sentenced to six months in jail

0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:30.800
<v Speaker 2>what and five years of probation?

0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:34.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, am I crazy that the punishment should

0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:38.240
<v Speaker 1>be worse? Almost for days like, I don't well because

0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:42.960
<v Speaker 1>it can't be right. It's abuse, and so six months

0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:45.400
<v Speaker 1>so fucked up your base, Like these laws basically make

0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:49.760
<v Speaker 1>it so that like you're setting it up to tell

0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:51.560
<v Speaker 1>people like this is basically okay.

0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, witness, Yeah, there needs to be a witness to corroborate.

0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:57.400
<v Speaker 2>You need to prove that you're call Like it is

0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:00.240
<v Speaker 2>really fucked up. Now, as I was searching, there's a

0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:03.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of information about this case. But while I was

0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:07.920
<v Speaker 2>searching for information, this case kept coming up, like like

0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:11.560
<v Speaker 2>this other case just kept showing up in Google.

0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 3>So of course I had to take a look.

0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:17.480
<v Speaker 2>So this case is the glen Ridge rape case, and

0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:20.640
<v Speaker 2>so I clicked on it and I read one line

0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:22.800
<v Speaker 2>of the case and I remembered a TV movie that

0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:27.040
<v Speaker 2>rocked my world. So Heather Matsarazzo were huge fans on

0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:30.160
<v Speaker 2>this podcast of her work, big part of my childhood.

0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:33.200
<v Speaker 3>She was in Welcome to the.

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Dollhouse, Saved Princess Diaries, and then in this TV movie

0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I remember watching called Our Guys, Our Guys, Outrage at

0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:45.240
<v Speaker 2>glenn Ridge. It also has an actor from an SVU

0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:48.600
<v Speaker 2>season three episode called Silence, and it was like murder

0:58:48.640 --> 0:58:50.720
<v Speaker 2>and abuse stuff in the church Eric Stoltz.

0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:53.600
<v Speaker 3>But Eric stult is a huge eighties like icon.

0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, okay, so some kind of wonderful Yeah yeah.

0:58:57.680 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I just know him from you know, him being like

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:03.880
<v Speaker 2>in a minister outfit. But wildly his episode is right

0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:09.160
<v Speaker 2>after competence. Competence ended and then silence started, and I

0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:11.840
<v Speaker 2>was researching this and I was like, oh my god.

0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:14.720
<v Speaker 2>So I just felt like that was kind of cool,

0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:18.240
<v Speaker 2>like his face just arrived. So this is what happened

0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:22.320
<v Speaker 2>at this glen Ridge school. So it's a glen Ridge

0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:25.000
<v Speaker 2>is a Jersey suburb of New York and a group

0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:25.800
<v Speaker 2>of young men.

0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:27.480
<v Speaker 3>But they say suburb of New York, but it is

0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:28.120
<v Speaker 3>in New Jersey.

0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:30.400
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like that, like New Jersey, you don't

0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:33.560
<v Speaker 2>even like your cities are a suburb of New York.

0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:33.959
<v Speaker 3>You suck.

0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's I want to go to the Jersey shore though,

0:59:38.280 --> 0:59:41.240
<v Speaker 2>So a group of young men. I don't think New

0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Jersey sucks. I don't like pumping my guests, and I

0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:46.720
<v Speaker 2>like to be there. Okay, So a group of young

0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:50.200
<v Speaker 2>men were there as a seventeen year old girl with

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:53.080
<v Speaker 2>an IQ of sixty four was sexually abused in nineteen

0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:56.640
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine. Do you remember watching this movie or no?

0:59:56.640 --> 0:59:58.240
<v Speaker 3>No, okay.

0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:01.760
<v Speaker 2>So the boys were like the cool guy, best looking, best,

1:00:01.880 --> 1:00:04.560
<v Speaker 2>like very athletic guys, and she was a young girl

1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:07.440
<v Speaker 2>that was really desperate to fit in. So this girl

1:00:07.560 --> 1:00:11.560
<v Speaker 2>was at carter At Park shooting hoops and someone promised

1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:14.640
<v Speaker 2>her a date if she went to the Scherzers Twins

1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:18.080
<v Speaker 2>house that was near the park, and she remembers that

1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.439
<v Speaker 2>one of the athletes like put their arm around her,

1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:23.680
<v Speaker 2>and she thought it was like super romantic. But from

1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:27.280
<v Speaker 2>the outside it obviously looks grim as fuck because you know,

1:00:27.360 --> 1:00:30.840
<v Speaker 2>there's so there's thirteen boys that were there, seven stays.

1:00:30.880 --> 1:00:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Six of them got the fuck out of there when

1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:36.480
<v Speaker 2>they realized, like what was gonna go down at these Twins' house. So,

1:00:36.600 --> 1:00:38.080
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of the community, there was a lot

1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:40.440
<v Speaker 2>of arguing, like the community defended these people.

1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:41.800
<v Speaker 3>This will be we'll get into it.

1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:44.520
<v Speaker 2>But like a lot of the community was not only

1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:46.880
<v Speaker 2>pissed at the assailants, but like all these boys who

1:00:46.960 --> 1:00:49.520
<v Speaker 2>did nothing about it, Like they left, they knew it

1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:52.360
<v Speaker 2>was fucked up, but didn't do shit. And yet they's

1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:55.640
<v Speaker 2>celebrated members of the community and time and time again,

1:00:56.880 --> 1:01:02.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, we use nonsensical evidence to judge people and

1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:05.400
<v Speaker 2>like say that they couldn't commit a crime just because

1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:06.640
<v Speaker 2>someone's good at baseball and.

1:01:06.600 --> 1:01:08.280
<v Speaker 3>Has good grades. Yeah, yea yeah.

1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:11.560
<v Speaker 2>For some reason, it's shocking to people that they're rapists.

1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't I.

1:01:12.880 --> 1:01:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Just don't understand. I don't understand that frame of mind. So,

1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:20.640
<v Speaker 2>but this did cause a lot of mess in the community,

1:01:20.680 --> 1:01:22.520
<v Speaker 2>and they keep begging. They're like, there's more to our

1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:24.800
<v Speaker 2>town than this case, and it's like, no, there's not.

1:01:25.560 --> 1:01:29.280
<v Speaker 2>So basically, these boys pushed her to masturbate in front

1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:32.960
<v Speaker 2>of them and perform oral sex and then finally and

1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:34.880
<v Speaker 2>this is what haunted me from the TV movie. So

1:01:34.960 --> 1:01:37.600
<v Speaker 2>this is like what stuck with me for decades. Is

1:01:37.640 --> 1:01:41.200
<v Speaker 2>she was penetrated with a broom handle, and then a

1:01:41.240 --> 1:01:44.520
<v Speaker 2>thirty three inch long baseball bat, and then with a stick.

1:01:45.160 --> 1:01:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh Jesus, that's all in the movie. Yeah, the baseball

1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:51.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like the camera's like on her face as it's happening,

1:01:51.440 --> 1:01:53.720
<v Speaker 2>and all these guys like I just it was it.

1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:56.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And after all.

1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:58.320
<v Speaker 2>This even happened to her, she was just lingering at

1:01:58.360 --> 1:02:00.680
<v Speaker 2>the park waiting for the date that was promise to her.

1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:02.600
<v Speaker 2>The whole thing was if you come do this, you'll

1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:04.560
<v Speaker 2>get to go on a date with this guy. So

1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:08.960
<v Speaker 2>she just continued to wait there. And so obviously when

1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:10.680
<v Speaker 2>it went to the courts, it was the classic like

1:02:10.760 --> 1:02:15.440
<v Speaker 2>it was consensual. So the accused never denied their involvement,

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<v Speaker 2>but their lawyers said that no law was violated and

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<v Speaker 2>no crime committed. But the prosecutors argued that she was

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<v Speaker 2>not able to give consent and she was criminally wronged.

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<v Speaker 2>So the defense argued that she was a slut and

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<v Speaker 2>not a sexual novice, and they even had the new

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<v Speaker 2>Jersey rape shield law lifted so they can use her

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<v Speaker 2>sexual past against her in court. They did all the

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<v Speaker 2>classic es tactics, like boys will be boys. They're like

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<v Speaker 2>she came from a dysfunctional family. The boys were actually

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<v Speaker 2>the victims of all this because their because of their

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<v Speaker 2>hormones and they.

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<v Speaker 3>Were actually vulnerable to her.

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<v Speaker 2>And the defendants had their former high school girlfriend record

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<v Speaker 2>the girl discussed and brag about sex and how she's

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<v Speaker 2>so good at sex. And it's like if this girl

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<v Speaker 2>who reads at a second grade level, she can't name

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<v Speaker 2>like us presidents.

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<v Speaker 3>That was said by the La Times.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like there's she's truly at a second grade

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<v Speaker 2>level in her brain, and the like all these girls

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<v Speaker 2>from the high school then recorded her being like, I

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<v Speaker 2>love sex and I'm great at sex, but she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to like.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, she doesn't know what she's talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is, she did have a trouble knowing

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between love and sex, and her parents, counselor's teachers,

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<v Speaker 2>and swim coach were all in on it and had

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<v Speaker 2>been working on this with her. So she was molested

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of twelve for the first time, and

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<v Speaker 2>she could not grasp the idea that her body was

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<v Speaker 2>private and that she had a right to say no.

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<v Speaker 2>And her parents put her on birth control at age

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen because they were scared she was vulnerable to peer

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<v Speaker 2>pressure and a sexual attack. And then the defense, of

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<v Speaker 2>course used this as a reason that she was a

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<v Speaker 2>skink because she was on birth control and these whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>however dysfunctional these parents were, they actually seemed like very

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<v Speaker 2>caring and it was a twenty three week trial. So

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<v Speaker 2>the trial went from nineteen ninety two to ninety three.

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<v Speaker 2>She did take the stand and the prosecutor asked why

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't ask the boys to leave her alone, and

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<v Speaker 2>she said she didn't want to hurt their feelings, and

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<v Speaker 2>she still considered them friends and didn't want to hurt

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<v Speaker 2>er embarrass them. A jury of seven women and five

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<v Speaker 2>men found Christopher Archer, Kevin Schurzer Kyle Scherzer guilty. They

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<v Speaker 2>were convicted of rape March sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, after

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<v Speaker 2>eight days of deliberations. The fourth guy, Bryan Grober, was

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<v Speaker 2>acquitted of the rape but found guilty of third degree conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 2>Two of the others that were indicted pled guilty to

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<v Speaker 2>lesser charges in exchange for their cooperation and then listen

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<v Speaker 2>to this. The other one was a son of a

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<v Speaker 2>glen Ridge police officer who investigated the case, So he

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<v Speaker 2>got tried separately and no information about him exists.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, we don't even know if he got busted or not. Nope.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he Kathleen Stabler that shit, yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's gonna burn Do.

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<v Speaker 1>You think that kid's dad's gonna burn his license at

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<v Speaker 1>a pizzeria?

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<v Speaker 2>In a few weeks, Archer and Kevin Schurzer were ordered

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<v Speaker 2>to serve a fifteen year term. Kyle Schurzer was sentenced

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<v Speaker 2>to serve seven years and they all kept appealing and

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<v Speaker 2>fighting it and wildly. They were allowed to not be

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<v Speaker 2>in jail during the whole time of appeals, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they were found guilty in nineteen ninety three, but they

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<v Speaker 2>did not go to jail until nineteen ninety seven, and

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<v Speaker 2>the original attack was in nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus, And of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course people from the town in school and their friends

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<v Speaker 2>still believe they're good guys who just made a bad

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<v Speaker 2>mistake of putting a baseball bat in a person with

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<v Speaker 2>diminished capacity.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus, Like, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know how you still defend Like, how do you

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<v Speaker 2>defend someone doing that? I don't understand how you still

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a good person. Okay, the photos of them

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<v Speaker 2>in their suits and haircuts are wild. They don't they

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<v Speaker 2>look like they're thirty seven years old. These are giant teens.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there's they served their time. They kept trying

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<v Speaker 2>to appeal. No one cared. Like in nineteen ninety seven

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<v Speaker 2>and two thousand and four, the federal appeals court affirmed

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<v Speaker 2>the conviction since they were not able to show there

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<v Speaker 2>were serious errors in the trial or in the state

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<v Speaker 2>appeals process. And the twins have Twitter and LinkedIn profiles

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff and they're still on the registry. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but since I don't have Twitter, I couldn't go

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<v Speaker 3>on his.

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter to see what tweets he was tweeting, Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>was he there on January sixth?

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you guys want to look it up and

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<v Speaker 2>let us nobody's tweeting and then you can watch that

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<v Speaker 2>movie if you want to. You know, see Heather Matsaratzo.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's obviously not what it was based on.

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<v Speaker 2>But like there's not much information on a net or

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<v Speaker 2>like the court case and this just kept popping up.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but that's interesting too because it is about like

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<v Speaker 3>competence and you know, standing trial and what can be But.

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<v Speaker 2>At that the end of the day, the boys knew

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what they were doing. And this idea that a

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<v Speaker 2>town is still rallying around trying to find goodness in

1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:16.840
<v Speaker 2>these school athletes, like even you put a bat in

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<v Speaker 2>front and like it's so fucked up. People are so

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<v Speaker 2>fucked They just love defending bad men.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they can't get enough of it. But let's move

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<v Speaker 1>into our post mortem, baby, since we don't have an

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<v Speaker 1>interview today.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that was an episode. Yeah, sure, was, I mean darkness,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, what do we think do we think

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<v Speaker 1>Katie and her guy are gonna be okay raising this kid?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm nervous for them. It's so hard. It's so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully they'll have all the support they need and they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have tons of cash, and that's cash is king, baby, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>cash is king.

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<v Speaker 3>Because this is very different.

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<v Speaker 2>But I always think about like, fuck dressing, Like if

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<v Speaker 2>you're an Orthodox Jewish person, like that's hard to dress

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<v Speaker 2>and look like you're wearing a turtleneck a t shirt

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<v Speaker 2>on a skirt.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you're rich, you could put some Tory birch together,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. And so I kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of like this where, yeah it's tough, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if we're getting some cash from this millionaire grocery owner.

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<v Speaker 3>I look too. On the way to the I forgot

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<v Speaker 3>to tell you this.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was on the way to the radio studio today,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw two Orthodox guys on lime scooters just breezing

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<v Speaker 1>up Sycamore.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm never like a suit I've decided he right here

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<v Speaker 2>and then in there, I will never be scooting.

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<v Speaker 3>I will never do an electric scooter. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm in Paris and someone's like, come on, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Why why are you so anti the danger?

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<v Speaker 2>The day, I don't want to take risks going fast

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<v Speaker 2>through the streets, like I don't need that in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>At night, I'll take I'll take a cab or a walk.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need it. I don't need it in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a risk that I'm not willing to take.

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<v Speaker 2>I did it one time and it was so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was during the day West Hollywood, quiet streets.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't on any major thoroughfairs. I was just on

1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:17.800
<v Speaker 1>little streets and I was high.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't ask myself. It's just like, I'm not. What

1:09:20.280 --> 1:09:21.639
<v Speaker 2>are the things like this?

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<v Speaker 3>Hoverboards? That's not for me? No, that's crazy. I can't those.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't. I don't have that kind of balance. What

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<v Speaker 3>am I? Shawn White? I can't. Oh wait, I have

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<v Speaker 3>a huge sighting.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend and I went to dinner and we saw

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Paul in a booth with his two daughters or yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>two kids. Just so fucking cute. He was nice, he

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<v Speaker 2>was saying hi to everyone. We're like, does he own

1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:51.040
<v Speaker 2>this place? We googled it. He doesn't, but he's probably

1:09:51.080 --> 1:09:54.920
<v Speaker 2>in the neighborhood. Just he ran into friends. The kids

1:09:54.920 --> 1:09:57.799
<v Speaker 2>were adorable. He was just he was like the mayor

1:09:57.880 --> 1:10:02.320
<v Speaker 2>in All Salmon, looking so lovely and smiley and we love,

1:10:02.600 --> 1:10:07.400
<v Speaker 2>we love Aaron Paul, that Jesse Pinkman, and that came

1:10:07.439 --> 1:10:09.160
<v Speaker 2>together in my mind because Aaron Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>And Sean White are friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they are. They're like in the same friend group.

1:10:14.120 --> 1:10:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Like there's photos of them intermingling on Insta and in

1:10:16.720 --> 1:10:20.040
<v Speaker 2>the documentary, his whole family is with Aaron Paul watching

1:10:20.040 --> 1:10:23.720
<v Speaker 2>it on a big screen like cheering, like they're good friends.

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<v Speaker 3>In the group. Well, they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Friends with Miles Teller and his wife. But that that's worrisome, Timmy.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's like a maga.

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, unfortunately, Whiplash is maga.

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<v Speaker 3>I think let me let me google.

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<v Speaker 1>Mylashes, maga famously whiplash equals maga.

1:10:45.560 --> 1:10:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Miles Teller Republican question mark, is that what I google?

1:10:50.800 --> 1:10:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Miles Teller Republican and gaze that's what my TikTok search. Yeah,

1:10:55.840 --> 1:10:58.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a bunch of people upset that they found out

1:10:58.840 --> 1:10:59.880
<v Speaker 2>that he's a concern.

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<v Speaker 3>I I don't know.

1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:06.679
<v Speaker 2>It is tough, but he is cool, so that's that's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>But who else is in the friend group? That's the

1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:12.600
<v Speaker 2>only people that I've seen that I am, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>other winter athletes.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen back to this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just wild that the guys that committed the

1:11:19.760 --> 1:11:24.479
<v Speaker 2>real crime in Jersey like are on LinkedIn, they have Twitter.

1:11:24.720 --> 1:11:24.800
<v Speaker 3>Like.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so weird to me because it is always

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<v Speaker 2>like when when can the rapist move on? And it's like,

1:11:32.040 --> 1:11:38.559
<v Speaker 2>I think pretty quickly, yeah, pretty quickly, although not the

1:11:38.680 --> 1:11:40.759
<v Speaker 2>last big one that they snagged.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>His wife just filed for divorce. I don't know he

1:11:45.200 --> 1:11:49.639
<v Speaker 1>was still married to her. She's enough to be you alum, wait,

1:11:49.720 --> 1:11:53.800
<v Speaker 1>what episode is she not? She is the one in

1:11:53.880 --> 1:11:58.920
<v Speaker 1>his in the one who's like you sorry, we're talking

1:11:58.920 --> 1:12:01.519
<v Speaker 1>about Danny Masterson and Phillips, bj you. Phillips is in

1:12:01.560 --> 1:12:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the one.

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<v Speaker 2>Where Vanity's bonfire. It says, yeah, she has.

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<v Speaker 1>Sex with the guy, and like then he's like the

1:12:07.840 --> 1:12:09.960
<v Speaker 1>father of her kid and he's like denying that he

1:12:10.040 --> 1:12:12.400
<v Speaker 1>knows her, and she's like, no, we we had an affair,

1:12:12.439 --> 1:12:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and like he's he's like gaslighting and saying it didn't happen.

1:12:15.400 --> 1:12:16.839
<v Speaker 3>Like that's all I remember, really.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's also another couple missing a baby. It's a

1:12:19.160 --> 1:12:22.280
<v Speaker 2>baby kidnapp from a playground leads to a twisted case

1:12:22.360 --> 1:12:24.360
<v Speaker 2>of Lie's betrayal and infidelity.

1:12:24.680 --> 1:12:26.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she like takes the baby back. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Dia Nobuley and that's I always remember

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<v Speaker 1>because the name is so wild. And the guy keeps

1:12:31.320 --> 1:12:33.439
<v Speaker 1>being like, I don't know Dia Noble and it's like

1:12:33.520 --> 1:12:36.040
<v Speaker 1>miss nobul like she has such a weird name.

1:12:36.479 --> 1:12:38.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, not how to say Nobelay? You know her?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sir, you're done. I also think there's like an

1:12:43.880 --> 1:12:47.320
<v Speaker 2>actress and she has kind of dainty art like she's weak.

1:12:47.520 --> 1:12:51.520
<v Speaker 3>But she claims that she used a base to murder someone.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's episode I Helped Guy.

1:12:54.040 --> 1:12:59.400
<v Speaker 2>She's in another one whatever, this episode the other episode Competence.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one we're on right now today, Kara, do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to take us home?

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<v Speaker 3>Or what give us? So?

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<v Speaker 2>What would Sister Peggy? Yeah, let's get to what if

1:13:08.200 --> 1:13:10.960
<v Speaker 2>you buy our sticker sheets? We have a what would

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<v Speaker 2>Sister peg do? Sticker on it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those are available on tour only. At our tours,

1:13:16.360 --> 1:13:18.920
<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of tours exclusive merch, so come

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<v Speaker 1>for the show, stay for the fun, Merchu.

1:13:22.120 --> 1:13:24.759
<v Speaker 3>We are going to do what would say the scene?

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<v Speaker 2>Which employee volunteers to take photos for us?

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know.

1:13:30.040 --> 1:13:32.160
<v Speaker 2>I've had such an experience with all of them. They

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<v Speaker 2>all have different styles, different strengths.

1:13:34.280 --> 1:13:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they're so bad at it, and sometimes it's like you.

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<v Speaker 3>Were born to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they're so good, and other times it's like, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever used a camera before?

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<v Speaker 3>You know who was born to do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Fucking Philly Remember that woman at the Philly punchline. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we were like for John Legend.

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<v Speaker 3>You were obsessed with her.

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<v Speaker 1>You were like, if we get big enough, she's coming

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<v Speaker 1>on tour with us as our permanent photo takeer.

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<v Speaker 3>We love her. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>This week for our what was Mister Peg New segment?

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<v Speaker 1>You know where we point you guys towards an organization,

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<v Speaker 1>a blog, post, a book, a podcast, something to give

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<v Speaker 1>you more info about what we talked about today, because

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<v Speaker 1>Lord knows we cannot fit it all in. We would

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<v Speaker 1>like to point you to THEARC dot org. Their mission

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<v Speaker 1>is to promote and protect the human rights of people

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<v Speaker 1>with intellectual and developmental disabilities and actively supports their full

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<v Speaker 1>inclusion and participation in the community throughout their lifetimes. They

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<v Speaker 1>advocate for legislation, they hold events, They have tons of

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<v Speaker 1>resources for those interested. You can donate or find out

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<v Speaker 1>more information at the ARC dot org. And that's the

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<v Speaker 1>rc THARC and that's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for that. I actually know this

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<v Speaker 2>org and it is good. Next week we'll be doing

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<v Speaker 2>Scorched Earth that season thirteen, episode one, Get hip to it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's wow, first episode without Stabler, so that's pretty historic

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<v Speaker 2>Scorched Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Give us a couple stars and live your best and

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for listening.

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<v Speaker 3>We love you guys, See you next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much to our producer Kac O'Brien, and to.

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<v Speaker 1>Our mixer John Bradley and our guest booker Patrick Cottner.

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<v Speaker 1>And to Henry Kaperski for our theme song and Carly

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<v Speaker 1>producers Georgia hard Start, Karen Kilgareff, Daniel Kramer and everybody

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<v Speaker 3>Dead Be Done