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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress with Smarties.

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Speaker 1: It has been a very big couple of weeks for

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Speaker 1: those of us who believe that all things around us

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Speaker 1: progress of politics is important to us. Newsflash true for

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Speaker 1: every single one of us. So I decided, after last

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Speaker 1: week's announcement that Vice President Harris has picked Governor Tim

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Speaker 1: to call one of the smartest people that I know

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Speaker 1: in the world of politics, none other than Simone Sanders

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Speaker 1: Town's End. Simone's show The Weekend on MSNBC is one

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Speaker 1: of the places I always turned to to get incredible

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Speaker 1: coverage on what's happening in the country. Simone rose to

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Speaker 1: US Senator Bernie Sanders then presidential campaign. At just twenty five,

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Speaker 1: she was named to Rolling Stone magazine's list of sixteen

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Speaker 1: young Americans shaping that year's election. At twenty nine, she

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Speaker 1: published her book No You Shut Up, Speaking Truth to

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Speaker 1: Power and Reclaiming America. And then she served as a

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Speaker 1: senior advisor for President Joe Biden's twenty twenty presidential campaign.

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Speaker 1: She spent an incredible amount of time working as a

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Speaker 1: senior member of the Biden Harris administration. She served as

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Speaker 1: Deputy Assistant to the President, senior advisor in chief, spokesperson

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Speaker 1: to Vice President Kamala Harris, and all around. Simone is

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Speaker 1: an incredible communicator with a passion for problem solving and

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Speaker 1: social justice. She happens to be one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: friends in Washington, d C. Who've been lucky enough to

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Speaker 1: And today she's here to answer all of our questions

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Speaker 1: about this election. Nothing is off the table, and for

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Speaker 1: that I am so grateful. Also worth mentioning for those

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Speaker 1: of you who might be in Brooklyn in September, MSNBC

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Speaker 1: Live is hosting an event called Democracy twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: on September seventh at the Brooklyn Academy of Music. Tickets

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Speaker 1: are available now. I am really hoping I can attend.

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Speaker 1: Do not miss it if you are in the area. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's get to asking all of the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: election questions and then some inspiring ones too. To our

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Speaker 1: sweet dear friend.

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Speaker 2: Sam up.

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Speaker 1: Well Simone, my favorite lady, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining me today, and honesty, thank you for taking the

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Speaker 1: time in the middle of August from Martha's vineyard, because

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Speaker 1: I know you'd rather be on the beach, but we

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Speaker 1: have democracy to talk about. So bless you for giving

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Speaker 1: me an hour of your time. And all the folks.

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Speaker 2: Oh, of course, it's the least I could do. It's

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Speaker 2: always good to see.

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Speaker 1: You, Hi, honey. How is life? How's your man? How

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Speaker 1: how are you? Before we get into like the state

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Speaker 1: of the world, life is good.

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Speaker 2: My man is good. He was also on Martha's vineyard,

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Speaker 2: but he has since gone back to work. It's good.

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Speaker 2: Life is good. You know, this is just an extraordinary time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I was supposed to be in the

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Speaker 3: We take a trip every year in the summer for.

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Speaker 2: Our anniversary, and we're supposed to be in the Bahamas

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Speaker 3: Is one of our favorite places to go, and the

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Speaker 3: became clear that all of this stuff was bubbling up,

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Speaker 3: the kinds of things like this. Yeah, oh knew, Sophia.

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Speaker 3: I thought you was like a couple of months ago,

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Speaker 1: The way, when we were all in DC together in April,

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Speaker 1: at the Correspondence Centner, it was, I mean, what a

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Speaker 1: what did the summer look like? Where does the shift

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Speaker 1: Can you let the lay people in on the realities

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: It was so I have I have seen the President

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Speaker 3: JiTT and Chatten and so you know this, I really

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Speaker 3: think this notion of the president being unwell is something

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Speaker 3: their whole lives, will say, oh, but he must not

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Speaker 3: The president, right and so he is the president until

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Speaker 3: This notion that the president was maybe too old, if

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Speaker 3: And some people might say, Okay, well that's an ageous

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Speaker 2: Always talks about things, you know, your second wave of life.

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Speaker 3: And so I understand this notion that it is a

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Speaker 2: He's doing the job right now and was doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was real.

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Speaker 3: It was real, and people's perception is reality. And if

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's always as great on a prompter. Right.

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Speaker 3: There are some people that just say they they exude

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Speaker 2: Are organically in the mix and not on a teleprompter.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of Americans were seeing Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: Can I also say something that I think which you

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Speaker 1: you can't say this, but I'm gonna go ahead and

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Speaker 1: offer my thoughts. The entire time I watched that debate,

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Speaker 1: This is nonsense. This man is nonsensical. He's not even

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Speaker 1: saying things. First of all, he's not saying anything that's true,

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Speaker 2: But so Fia.

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Speaker 1: But the double standard is very real for these two men.

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Speaker 1: And to your point, perception does shape reality. And while

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Speaker 1: Thank God for the American Rescue Act, thank God for

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Speaker 1: the Infrastructure Bill, which, by the way, all the GOP

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Speaker 3: Literally, we need to make sure we keep the energy

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like the Democrats know what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Your assessment of the debate is not wrong, Like, yes,

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Speaker 2: But the problem is it's not just anybody.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden as the president who planned and prepares for this,

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Speaker 2: The debate and the debate performance it was.

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Speaker 3: It was bad, Like there's the only way to say

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Speaker 3: Maybe he wasn't well he would maybe he didn't feel

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Speaker 3: And I might be in the in the in the

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Speaker 1: I agree. But she has done some very substantive and

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Speaker 3: Oh, when I endorse my vice president, Yes, because there

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Speaker 2: I mean to be very clear. In the primary, when

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Speaker 1: Here exactly exactly, and so can you talk to us

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Speaker 1: I happen to love coach. I think he is a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people are excited. I think people are very excited.

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Speaker 2: So that is an exciting piece.

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Speaker 3: The senior leadership though, and I would also note the

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Speaker 3: Vice President herself, I think that they are very clear eyed,

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Speaker 3: clear eye that this is still going to be a fight,

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Speaker 3: that there are people in this country that want what

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump and Jade Vance are selling and the vision

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Speaker 3: that they are offering, and that nothing is going to

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Speaker 3: be handed to them.

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Speaker 2: They know that the race is going to be close.

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Speaker 3: And so I don't think that the Vice President herself

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Speaker 3: is is high, if you.

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Speaker 2: Will, on the sugar high.

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Speaker 3: She's doing the work, she's doing the work, and I

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Speaker 3: think she's clear and she's resolute.

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Speaker 2: That's just from knowing her. That's just the kind of

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Speaker 2: that's just the kind of person she is.

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Speaker 3: When the states get high and when everybody is having

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Speaker 3: fun and people are like, oh, this is our moment.

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Speaker 2: She's always like, okay, but focus because the reality is

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Speaker 2: is that there are.

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Speaker 3: Was as we had this conversation, We'll just say less

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Speaker 3: than ninety days until election day, but it's even sooner

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Speaker 3: than that, Sophia, until people start voting in this country

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Speaker 3: after convention, within the first week of September and key

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Speaker 3: places across the country, folks are going to start going

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Speaker 3: to the battle box and cast their vote. Tim Wallas

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Speaker 3: is an excellent to be very clear, any pick the

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Speaker 3: Vice President would have made would have been an excellent

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Speaker 3: pick because the candidates that the contenders that I'm aware

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Speaker 3: that were in the in contention, all of them amazing

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Speaker 3: representatives of the Democratic Party apparatus, amazing people that would

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Speaker 3: have been great, great, great running mates and excellent vice presidents.

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Speaker 3: If Kadlah Harris is to be elected, Tim Walls, though

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Speaker 3: the Vice President felt was right for her, and as

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Speaker 3: a you select a running mate, it's the first major

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Speaker 3: decision that a nominee makes. It's literally the first presidential

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Speaker 3: level decision that they may because you are picking the

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Speaker 3: person that, in the event you cannot do the job.

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Speaker 3: To be very clear, that this is the person you

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Speaker 3: want to have your job and someone that you want

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Speaker 3: to work with and be your governing partner for the next.

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Speaker 2: Four, maybe even eight years.

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Speaker 3: So she obviously felt like she had that in Governor Wall,

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Speaker 3: someone who is the current chair of the Democratic Governor's Association.

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Speaker 2: Like this man.

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Speaker 3: People talk about Governor Walls like he just fell out

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Speaker 3: of a pricking apple tree and found his way up

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Speaker 3: into to be the running made of potential next Vice

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Speaker 3: President of United States for America. Like no, he too

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Speaker 3: has done the work throughout his career, and I would know.

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Speaker 3: He's a native Nebraska like myself. So the folk are

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Speaker 3: taking credit for ten Walls.

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Speaker 2: But this is going to be a fight, Sophia, And

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Speaker 2: if the news currently is any indication they're going to

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Speaker 2: be attacked from the Trump and Band's campaign that the

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Speaker 2: Harris Walls campaign are going to have to contend with.

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Speaker 3: We we have yet to see either of the major

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Speaker 3: either of the candidates fraying either of the tickets, whether

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about Donald Trump and Jade Vance or Vice

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Speaker 3: President Harris and Governor Wallas fit for joint interviews together. Right,

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Speaker 3: That's something that usually happens when Secretary Clinton chose Tim

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Speaker 3: Kaine as her running mate in twenty sixteen, about forty

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Speaker 3: eight hours later they were doing a joint interview. When

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Speaker 3: Vice president then candidate Biden chose then Senator Harris as

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Speaker 3: his running mate in twenty twenty, about four years ago actually, frankly,

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Speaker 3: oh wow, my goodness, about four years ago this week, crazy,

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Speaker 3: Maybe about almost two weeks later, about twelve days later,

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Speaker 3: they set together for a joint interview. So it just

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Speaker 3: depends this is unprecidented because, to be very clear, not

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Speaker 3: only in two weeks time did Vice President Harris stand

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Speaker 3: up a campaign apparatus and she's a running mate.

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Speaker 2: Like she's also teasing out what her policies are gonna be.

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Speaker 3: I would not suggest anybody sit down for in depth

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Speaker 3: interview anywhere and you're not sure what your policies are, honey,

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Speaker 3: because they're gonna have to answer those questions. But should

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Speaker 3: they maybe are they gonna or are we gonna start

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Speaker 3: saying them take more questions as they're out and about

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Speaker 3: with the reporters that are traveling with them.

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Speaker 2: I think they should.

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Speaker 3: The kaple of Harris, I know that's what that's what

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Speaker 3: she did when I worked for and what she's continued

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Speaker 3: to do over the last couple of years, a couple

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Speaker 3: of years as the vice president.

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Speaker 2: So that is where I see this race right now.

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Speaker 3: It is I don't think people, though, should should trample

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Speaker 3: on the enthusiasm.

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Speaker 2: Have you heard people say, I'm like, oh, why are

527
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Speaker 2: they so incided? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But I don't care. I'm just so happy. It feels

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Speaker 1: nice to feel happy about our future again. It feels

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Speaker 1: nice that good people can go and do good things

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Speaker 1: for other people. You know it Trump unleashed. Look, there's

532
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Speaker 1: always been hey, but Trump unleashed like a hate machine

533
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Speaker 1: on steroids. And it's so tiring. It is tiring to

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Speaker 1: to have to fight tooth and nail to just remain

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Speaker 1: at baseline and to begin I believe for so many

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Speaker 1: people in this country to see that we could get

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Speaker 1: like up pass baseline into goodness. That there could be

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Speaker 1: more infrastructure investment, there could be more job creation. You know,

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Speaker 1: communities that have historically had you know, their working classes

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Speaker 1: dying in coal mines or contracting cancer posts that lifetime

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Speaker 1: of work could actually be the first communities to get

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Speaker 1: green sector jobs where they work in safe environments and

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Speaker 1: have healthcare, like you know, kids get to eat in school,

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Speaker 1: even some of the attacks of the right on governor laws.

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Speaker 1: They're like, hey gave kids tampons, And I'm like, y'all,

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Speaker 1: I'm a forty two year old woman and I was

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Speaker 1: at the Modern Art Museum in Grand Rapids last week,

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Speaker 1: got my period a day early and couldn't get a tampon,

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Speaker 1: and was like, I'm a grown ass person who has

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Speaker 1: to freak out about this. I don't know what I

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Speaker 1: would do if I were twelve and I needed to

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Speaker 1: go take a math test in the next, you know,

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Speaker 1: next class, and this was happening to me.

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Speaker 2: Like I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe sure children didn't go hungry was a radical, you

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Speaker 3: know position.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that I didn't eat.

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Speaker 2: Folks have what they need.

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Speaker 3: For their health care situation, which, to be clear, like

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Speaker 3: women get periods, girls get periods, like this is this

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Speaker 3: is this is part of what happens students.

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Speaker 1: Men's stream and pads are.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're necessary, they're necessary products. I didn't know

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Speaker 3: making sure that, you know, young girl girls who are

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Speaker 3: at school can have access to those items and not

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Speaker 3: have to you know, see if they've got a dollar

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Speaker 3: or a dollar twenty five, or they have change in

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Speaker 3: their pockets in order to get the what they need

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Speaker 3: is a radical position, Like I just I didn't know

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Speaker 3: the ensuring that people in a state capital somewhere are

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Speaker 3: not overriding your doctor when your doctor tells you what

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Speaker 3: you need for your health care is a radical position,

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Speaker 3: to be very clear, which is why I think is

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Speaker 3: really important to fear that people are very specific, right.

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Speaker 2: And so when when.

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Speaker 3: The some of the attacks on Governor Walls are specifically

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Speaker 3: about how he was as a governor, they say he

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Speaker 3: was a very conservative member of cong He was a

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Speaker 3: he was a moderate Democrat, right, and he got elected

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Speaker 3: in a conservative district in two thousand and six and

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Speaker 3: served in that district until he left her to run

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Speaker 3: for governor. And he during that time he had a

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Speaker 3: high grating from the NRA right all of these things,

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Speaker 3: and they say, well, that was Congressman Walls, but Governor

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Speaker 3: Walls are somewhat different, and they think that the campaign

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Speaker 3: is going to have to contend with this. They're gonna

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Speaker 3: have to beat this back aggressively, in my opinion, because

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Speaker 3: narrative is a very powerful thing, and because he is

589
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Speaker 3: new on the national stage of so many people, they

590
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Speaker 3: cannot allow this narrative to take hold. So you gotta

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Speaker 3: be specific, like, Okay, what things the governor walls do

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Speaker 3: that you didn't agree with?

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Speaker 2: Feed over children? Yeah, let's just ask the questions here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's ask the questions. And by the way, I

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Speaker 1: loved that he took to the Internet to say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a hunter. I've grown up with guns. I

597
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Speaker 1: used to at an A rating from the NRA, and

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Speaker 1: then when I learned what they were spending money on

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Speaker 1: ensuring that these mass shootings keep happening, I changed my

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Speaker 1: opinion and now I'm proud to have an F rating.

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Speaker 1: I was like, dude, you're great, You're just great. It's

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Speaker 1: it doesn't all have to be so hysterical. But I

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Speaker 1: think part of the reason that it's hard is because,

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Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, as you know, a political

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Speaker 1: nerd for sure, but a civilian, we do deal with

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Speaker 1: on the right a lot of projection, a lot of

607
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Speaker 1: what folks on the right are guilty of, they're saying

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Speaker 1: the Democrats are doing. And it's tricky when one group

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Speaker 1: is like, well, no, we don't do that, and the

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Speaker 1: other group is, you know, screaming hysterics all the time.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really feel like a level playing field. It's

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Speaker 1: like we show up, you know, to the argument like

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Speaker 1: I always think of it like West Side story, Like

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Speaker 1: you got one group showing up to the fight with

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Speaker 1: like little switchblades. You've got the other group showing up

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Speaker 1: with an uzi and you wonder why, Like everything feels crazy.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a minute. But here's a

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Speaker 3: I think people need to hear Donald top in his

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Speaker 3: own words, unfiltered, because that is who he is and

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Speaker 3: that is what voters are getting exactly.

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Speaker 1: And when he doesn't have the softball questions prepped from

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Speaker 1: his friends at Fox News, and he has to actually,

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Speaker 1: you know, speak his opinions or speak off the cuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean the way his disdain for women and his

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Speaker 1: racism pours out of his body. I'll come to the

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Speaker 1: you know, Kamala Harris observations he made in a moment,

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Speaker 1: but even the fact that he dared to say with

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Speaker 1: a straight face, I've been the best president for black

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Speaker 1: people since Abraham Lincoln. Excuse me, sir, excuse me. First

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Speaker 1: of all, no, you haven't the programs you've defunded, the

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Speaker 1: people you've come for what you have promoted out in

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Speaker 1: the world, like from policy to personal aspect, you are

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Speaker 1: a nightmare. But the fact that you would say that is.

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Speaker 2: So shocking to me.

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Speaker 1: And it's also I mean not shocking.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's what's wild.

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Speaker 1: He shocks me, but it doesn't surprise me. Maybe that's

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Speaker 1: the way to say.

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Speaker 3: Because he's a salesman and Donald Trump believe. Look, if

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00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: you say anything enough times, people may start to believe it, right,

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Speaker 3: Like it's this whole thing about like why it could

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Speaker 3: be why do demo Why are Democrats regularly ranks lower

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Speaker 3: on the economy? Literally, generic Democrats lawer on the economy

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Speaker 3: than like a generic Republican because for years Republicans have

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Speaker 3: just said they're great on the economy.

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Speaker 2: They just said they're good on it, even.

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Speaker 1: Though the data proves the opposite.

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Speaker 2: Honey, where are the policy to back it up?

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Speaker 3: So Donald Trump is trying to use that when it

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Speaker 3: comes to He actually used that strategy on a number

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Speaker 3: of different things. But like that's why he does things

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Speaker 3: like that. And for so long people never fact checked him.

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Speaker 3: They would just let him say the crazy thing.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, well, Donald Trump, yep, says again blah,

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Speaker 2: blah black.

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Speaker 3: And now people are like wising up to it, and

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Speaker 3: the media apparatus is like, Okay, we're not gonna We're

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Speaker 3: not going to allow this to go and check. There's

660
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: still some issues with the way in which Donald Trump

661
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: gets away with things, but I think that he is

662
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: being held accountable more now than ever before.

663
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Speaker 1: One of the good sides of this much connectivity is

664
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Speaker 1: we just know so much more existing in the world

665
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: because we see it. So when he says on the

666
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Speaker 1: stage at the NABJ that, you know, he can't believe

667
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is black, that she quote was always of

668
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: Indian heritage, was only promoting Indian heritage. I didn't know

669
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Speaker 1: she was black. And then he goes on to say,

670
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Speaker 1: you know, and she's she's turned black. Is she Indian

671
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: or black? And I was like, bro, First of all,

672
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: it's insane to me that in the year twenty twenty

673
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: four you don't understand that mixed race people exist. It's

674
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: wild that you would say this when your running mate's

675
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: wife is also and heritage, so his children are mixed,

676
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: your your would be hopeful vice president's kids and Sir

677
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris went to historically black college. She's a member

678
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: of the AKA, like.

679
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: Even if she didn't go to a HBCU, I know,

680
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: not a member of a sorority, Like whether one is

681
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: black or not has nothing to do with the school

682
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: they went to. And then the sorority that they well

683
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 3: what donald thought to tell anyone who they are, but.

684
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Speaker 1: Just wild to me observing it to go sir, You

685
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: can't say like, oh, I met this person and didn't

686
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: realize her family history. She's the Vice President of the

687
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Speaker 1: United States of America, whose entire life is on the record.

688
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 1: If you've ever watched a speech she's given, ever paid

689
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Speaker 1: attention to groups she advocates for, or knew anything about

690
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: her personal history. To be proud of where you come from, Like,

691
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: my mom's family is Italian, my dad's from Canada.

692
00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: Guess what.

693
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm a dual se citizen in Canada and I try

694
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: to go to Italy at least once a year to

695
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: see my family. I love both places.

696
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: You don't owe anyone an explanation. I sure don't.

697
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: I sure don't.

698
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 2: You don't owe.

699
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: Anyone an explanation for that, and neither does the Vice president.

700
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: But she shares her rich history being a daughter of immigrants,

701
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: a daughter of Oakland, California, someone whom her mother, who

702
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: she often talks about, her mother, shambla who she says,

703
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 3: you know, her mother knew she was raising two young

704
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 3: black girls, that that's how the world would see her children,

705
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: and she made sure she instilled in us the richness

706
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Speaker 3: of our full heritage. So this idea, this is why

707
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: I think Donald Trump is doing two things on that

708
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: stage with that particular comment.

709
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Speaker 2: One he was speaking to.

710
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Speaker 3: Just frankly, the racist parts of our electorate, because they

711
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 3: do exist, and the folks who and the racist parts

712
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: of our electorate saying, you don't even know what she is?

713
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 2: What you sure you want her to be president? That's

714
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: essentially what he was saying. But I also think he

715
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: was speaking to this un your current.

716
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: That exists within communities of color that say, well, who

717
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: is who is actually a person of color?

718
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 2: Who's actually black?

719
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 3: And I think that the second thing that he was

720
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 3: doing is a lot more. It's it's sinister, It's something

721
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: he himself didn't understand.

722
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 2: He probably saw it on the internet as somebody said

723
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Speaker 2: it to him.

724
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Speaker 3: But either way, no one in this country owes anyone

725
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: else an explanation about their their their identity, you know

726
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: what I mean about who they are, like the beauty

727
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 3: of That's what Governor Walls was saying.

728
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Speaker 2: You don't give what to say. Mind your own damn business.

729
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: But like if Donald Trup wants.

730
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Speaker 3: To ask these kinds of questions, and if hee would

731
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 3: like to ask the vice president like well is she

732
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 3: actually black? I do not suggest these are questions one

733
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: should ask, Okay, but if you, if you, if you

734
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: decide you'd like to ask them, perhaps they shouldn't be

735
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: asked on a debase stage while you're standing next to her.

736
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: And she said herself like, if you have you have.

737
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 3: So much to say, maybe you should say it's my face.

738
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Speaker 3: But those are not things that he would do. But

739
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: the fact that it made its way onto a stage

740
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 3: where the cameras were on, in a room full of journalists,

741
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: and now that veryist, the sinister comments have been repeated

742
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: large and everyone has heard it.

743
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Speaker 2: It opens the door for folks in their own communities

744
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Speaker 2: to repeat some of the same sinister language that Donald

745
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: Trump is sent in.

746
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: And so this is why it's just like Donald Trump

747
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: could be defeated at the ballot box. It's November, like

748
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 3: Vice President Harris. She's running a good campaign. It's still

749
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 3: you know, in less than ninety days.

750
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Speaker 2: She could win. And even if she wins, While.

751
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: Donald Trump may be defeated, Trumpism is not going away.

752
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: And I think there is a larger conversation that is

753
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: to be had about how trump Ism has so ingrained

754
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: itself within the DNA of the current Republican Party apparatus.

755
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: That it's not going to be enough to just defeat

756
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: him at the ballot box.

757
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: Because there are people who have been elected all over

758
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: this country, some in Congress, some in state legislatures, some right,

759
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: some in the Secretary of State's.

760
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: Office, some election officials, Oh yeah, election officials, and they

761
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: believe with Donald cup believes that's what's so dangerous about

762
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 2: this moment.

763
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is scary. Well, it's very scary to have

764
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Speaker 1: supposed American civil servants adhering to the language and goals

765
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: of dictators and despots who we've judged around the world,

766
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: and when they think the one in their own backyard

767
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: could make them rich, they go the hell with democracy.

768
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Speaker 1: You know that that is stressful for me as a

769
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: passionate citizen also daughter of immigrants who you know, all

770
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Speaker 1: my family is here because of this idea, of this

771
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: American dream, and it's surreal to see how quickly people

772
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: are willing to sell it out. But it is why

773
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Speaker 1: I feel hopeful, because what I appreciate is that the

774
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Speaker 1: Vice President and Governor Walls are reminding us it's not

775
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: hard to live next to people. It's not hard to

776
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: be good to people. It's not hard to say, listen,

777
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: you do this, I do that online, my business, you

778
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: mind yours. Let's make sure everybody has rights. You know,

779
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: I loved that that Governor Wall said rights are not

780
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: like a pie. There's enough for everybody to go around,

781
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: Like you can have yours and they can have theirs,

782
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: and them having theirs doesn't threaten yours. Like we can

783
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: actually all just listen to each other. And it's nice

784
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: to have folks presenting us with a vision of an

785
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: America where we as a country get to solve problems

786
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: together instead of fight each other to see who wins

787
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: within our walls. That's just not useful.

788
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not sustainable either, Like, no, it's not what

789
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Speaker 2: I mean.

790
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Speaker 3: You know, the President always talks about like America being

791
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 3: an idea, and it is America is an idea it's

792
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 3: an experiment, frankly, and it is an experiment that only

793
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 3: it's it's like it's a system that only works if

794
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: you're working, okay, and it is it is. I like

795
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: what you said about how it's kind of like our

796
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 3: democracy is like a long time. It's like a committed

797
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: marriage situation. It is something every single day, and some

798
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 3: days you'll get it right. There will be some days

799
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 3: there will be setbacks. But I just haven't traveled all

800
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Speaker 3: over you know, we've traveled all over this our great country,

801
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Speaker 3: but also the world.

802
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 2: And I still I still would rather.

803
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: There's no place in the in the world i'd rather

804
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: be than be an American.

805
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: Like the privilege, just the privilege.

806
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Speaker 3: And when I went to the White House, one of

807
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 3: the one of the things about working at the White

808
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: House is when you travel abroad on behalf of the

809
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 3: United States government. And I traveled with the Vice President

810
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: when she went on all of her to call them oconaces.

811
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Speaker 3: I don't know why they call them oconass but it's

812
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Speaker 3: an in a national trip. And when we would travel abroad,

813
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: it's like they didn't care if the people abroad, it

814
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: doesn't matter if it is a president that was a

815
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 3: democratic president that was elected or Republican president that was elected.

816
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: We are Americans. You're representing a America and we that

817
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Speaker 2: is how that you us.

818
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: The people abroad are not looking at us as Democrats

819
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: or Republicans are independents.

820
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: They're looking at us as Americans.

821
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Speaker 3: And when you when you step off a plane in

822
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Speaker 3: a foreign country as a representative of America, it is

823
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 3: one of the highest privilege. It is quite possibly the

824
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 3: highest privilege I feel like I have ever been afforded

825
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: to represent America.

826
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Speaker 2: It's probably how it's how they are left in.

827
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Speaker 3: The Olympias build Yeah America right now, We're like, yeah,

828
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: we're rooting for because because.

829
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: They are, they are representing all of us.

830
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: And that's that is why who is in the White

831
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: House matters. Who the president is matter is honey, Because

832
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: these guard grils that y'all think exist, let me tell

833
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: you it is only as good as the people the

834
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: president surround themselves with, and the Congress that is willing

835
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: to do their job, and the Supreme Court that is

836
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Speaker 3: that is that is that.

837
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Speaker 2: Is willing to stay in their.

838
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Speaker 1: Box held to ethical standards.

839
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: Come on now, and the Congress is has been unbilling

840
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: to do their job.

841
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 3: The Republicans in Congress, and then the Supreme Court they

842
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 3: have they it's like the ethical standards don't exist.

843
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: Well, they've all been bought and paid for.

844
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: I'm on now, they're not there.

845
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: And I just I don't know how better to tell

846
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: people that so much of what happens in the White

847
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: House and in the federal government is just a bunch

848
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: of people sitting in that room saying what it is

849
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: they'd like to do.

850
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: And those people are often the.

851
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: President, the president's chief of staff, maybe it's a vice

852
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: president and their team and the.

853
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: Core team around them.

854
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: And if those people do not have the same reverence

855
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: for the role and the job and don't feel the

856
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: same way about stepping off the plane as Americans that

857
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: I just described, well, then honey weed for a ride, right.

858
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Speaker 1: Well, And I think it's been very important for us

859
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: to realize, to your point, how fragile the guardrails are.

860
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: People assume they're made of steel, and they're kind of

861
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: made of glass. We can't risk all of this repeat

862
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: harm done. The idea is that we get better at

863
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: achieving the ideals of the American experiment, and folks who

864
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: are willing to sell off the American Experiment for parts

865
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Speaker 1: I think shouldn't ever be back in the White House again.

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious only because I mean, my god, I

867
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: love having like really timely, topical, deep conversations with you

868
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: about this stuff. But I also want to, like, I

869
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: just want to give you all your flowers for a moment.

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Speaker 1: You are an incredible human. You are an incredible American.

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00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: You are an incredible friend. You have been someone that

872
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: I enjoy learning from advocating alongside, who has been willing

873
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: to sit you know, do the things in public and

874
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: the big advocacy, but like we've also sat at like

875
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: the IOP in a back classroom at Harvard talking to students,

876
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: and like you've been an ear for me to vent

877
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: about my life and ask questions like what do I

878
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: do in this situation that's really hard for me right now?

879
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: And so I think people can forget when they look

880
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: at someone like you who has done all the work

881
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: that you've done, that you are so young, Like Simone,

882
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: you were twenty five years old when you became the

883
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: national Press secretary for Senator Sanders on his presidential campaign,

884
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: Like how how did you.

885
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 2: Get that passion that ten years ago? Yet that hell

886
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: Loo years next year.

887
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: Wow, this is what I'm saying. Like you were twenty

888
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: five years old, you were a baby, So where did

889
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: the passion come from? And then how did you handle

890
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: the pressure at that age? Like, because I want to

891
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: know how you got there and how you did it.

892
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: And then looking back from here almost ten years later,

893
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: what advice you might give young folks who want to

894
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: follow in your footsteps.

895
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 3: Well, first, let me say you were very kind you

896
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: all thought phobia. You do such a great job of

897
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: just I think when I when I see you and

898
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: a number of people like you, right, but I think

899
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: of this Nina Smong quote. Nina Smith says, it is

900
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: an artist's duty to reflect the times.

901
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: And there are so meaning and I mean.

902
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: You are you are an actor, you're a director, you're

903
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 3: a philanthropist, but you're an artist. At the end of

904
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: the day, you're an artist. And there are artists out

905
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: there that do not feel.

906
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: It is their duty to reflect the times.

907
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 3: There are people that have opinions and thoughts, but they

908
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 3: do not do anything with them. You know, they share

909
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: them amongst their small groups, but they're not going out

910
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: there trying to help people register the vote, trying to help,

911
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: you know, sing where they can fix some of the

912
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: things that are happening in the community, how they can

913
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: stand up and just kind of do what they can

914
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: in their own space and place. But you do do that,

915
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 3: and I really think it's important that you. I really

916
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 3: really think it's important that you do that. There are

917
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 3: lots of other people that do, Like I think of I'm.

918
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: Not even gonna lie. Have you heard this before? But

919
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: one said no.

920
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: One said to me the other day they were like,

921
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: you know what, Sophia Bush is like the white Kerry Washington.

922
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: I said, when it comes to the politics. She's like yes,

923
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: I said, you know what, yees. You know why they say.

924
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: That, because Carrie, she will show up.

925
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 3: For the voting street honey, see will do an activation,

926
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 3: he will fly the main.

927
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: I love that woman. That's a big compliment for me.

928
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 3: Yes, And they were like, yeah, Okia puts just like

929
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: the white Kerry Washington. And I was like, you know,

930
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: next time I see Sofia, I will I will make

931
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: sure I tell her that.

932
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: But that is I think that's so important. So you know,

933
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: you gave me that flowers. But like I appreciate I do.

934
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: I appreciate you because we need people like you. We

935
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 2: need people to use.

936
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: Their platforms and use their time and their space in

937
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 3: place to just talk about the issues because it makes

938
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: it so much more accessible.

939
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: I would just quickly.

940
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 3: Say that how I got the how I got there

941
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: the Bernie Sanders job, It really was nothing, but like

942
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I worked hard, but I think

943
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: it was just a lot of like prayer and just

944
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: I'm a spiritual person, and I think I believe that

945
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 3: it was that what is for you will not miss you.

946
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: And I had gone on like twenty seven interviews before,

947
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 3: like literally twenty seven interviews. I interviewed everywhere every Democratic

948
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: entity in Washington, d C.

949
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: Every every Democratic committee, they all one place.

950
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: I went to like eight rounds of interviews only for

951
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 3: them not to hire me but tell me that they

952
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: loved they loved my spirit and then I addressed very well.

953
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 3: So I get a call from like Bernie Sanders in

954
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: campaign manager randomly on my cell phone. Somebody whom I

955
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: had worked for previously, gave him my resume and he

956
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: called and he asked me, did I want to, you know,

957
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: come work for Bernie Sanders.

958
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, who is this?

959
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: And I ended up going to meet with Jeff Weaver,

960
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: and then maybe a couple weeks later, I meet with

961
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: the communications director.

962
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: Then I don't hear anything. So now I've been on like,

963
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: you know, twenty nine interviews.

964
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: No job.

965
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: I have a job now, but I don't want that

966
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: job anymore. I had moved to DC to do politics,

967
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: and I wasn't doing politics, so I wanted to do

968
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: political work. And I get another.

969
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: Random call on my phone and it's someone from Bernie Sanders'

970
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: office and they're asking me to meet with him. We

971
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: end up going to meet that day and the Senator

972
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: and I get into an argument when I get in there.

973
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: And you met Senator Standers, I love him. Bernie Sanders

974
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: have to say the same thing in higher career.

975
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: That man is the epitome of like his authentic self

976
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 3: because he hasn't believed what he's believed since longer.

977
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: Than I've been alive. Okay, Yeah, And so Bernie.

978
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: Sanders let me know that he thought I had a

979
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: fundamental misunderstanding of his economic policy, and I was just like, well, sorry,

980
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what I'm saying.

981
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: And so we we kind of went back and forth.

982
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: I told a story or two, and by the end

983
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: of the conversation we were on the same page, right,

984
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: and he told me he liked me.

985
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: I was like, I like you.

986
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: And then he was like, oh, I think I want

987
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: you to work here. I was like, I think I

988
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 3: could work here. And then BERNIEY Sanders asking something nobody

989
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: had ever asked you before. He said, well, do you

990
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: have an idea what you want to do? And I

991
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: knew exactly what I had wanted to do because I

992
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: knew what I wanted my next role to be. I

993
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 3: knew what I wanted my title to be. I knew

994
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: the experience I wanted to be able to get, so

995
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: that is what I asked for. I told Bernie Sanders

996
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: straight up, I want to be your national pre secretary.

997
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: I want to be your on the record spokesperson. I

998
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: want to have a hand of the messaging strategy, just

999
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: like we discussed here. And I want to, you know,

1000
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 3: do cable television. And Bertie Scatters is just kind of like,

1001
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: have you ever done cable television before? And I was like, no, sir,

1002
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: but I do think I'd be very good at it,

1003
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: and he laughed. And then days later I get a

1004
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 3: call back on my phone again.

1005
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 2: It's Jeff Weaver. He starts talking about the phone and

1006
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 2: the laptop, and I'm like, well, what's my job title, Jeff,

1007
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: and he says national Press secretary. Now, Sophia, I did

1008
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: not think there was gonna make me the national press secretary. Honey.

1009
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask what I want and then I'm gonna

1010
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: let you. If you want to hale me down, you

1011
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: can hale me down.

1012
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, But that is I think the best piece of

1013
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: advice that I could give, and I remember and I

1014
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: take that experience with me and everything that I have

1015
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: done since then. I think that we should be about

1016
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: the business of asking for what we want and what

1017
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: we know we have worked for, and then when we

1018
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: get it, we need to be able to execute. And

1019
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: how many times do we ask for the thing right

1020
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 3: up under the thing we want because we feel like

1021
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: somebody's not gonna give it to us.

1022
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: All they could tell.

1023
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 1: Me is no, right, I love it, aim high, expect

1024
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: a counteroffer, and some times you'll get asking.

1025
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: Sometimes you'll get it. I'm I love it. I love it,

1026
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: and it's worked for me, and I just I am.

1027
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 3: I'm very comfortable with who I am. I mean, I

1028
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: think I had to be comfortable. I didn't think I

1029
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 3: was getting that job. When Bernie Sanders and I started arguing,

1030
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: I was just like, but since I'm here, I'm gonna

1031
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 3: say my piece, because when am I gonna be sitting

1032
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 3: in the office of the United.

1033
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: States Senator again?

1034
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 3: And I've been in many more offices of the United

1035
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: States Senators. I just I think it's important that folks.

1036
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 3: I think young women, especially young people of color across

1037
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 3: the board, should know that their.

1038
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: Authentic selves are are are just enough.

1039
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 3: And I think that while there has been there has

1040
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 3: been a lot of progress across all these various industries.

1041
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about the fact that the Democrats.

1042
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: Have just nominated a black woman, a woman of color,

1043
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: a woman of South Asian descent, as the nominator, the

1044
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: first of any major party.

1045
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 2: This is the ground to Shirley chishol laid. Shirlie Chisen

1046
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: was the first woman to run for president on any

1047
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 2: major party ticket.

1048
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy two.

1049
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: In nineteen right, but Shirley chishom laid the groundwork for

1050
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 3: Geraldine Ferraro, which was forty years ago. She was the

1051
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 3: first woman to be on the major party ticket as

1052
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 3: the vice presidential running mate that laid the groundwork for

1053
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 3: Secretary Clinton in twenty sixteen to be the first woman

1054
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 3: of any any major party to be nominated as the nominee,

1055
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 3: Which brings us to this moment that we are currently

1056
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: in with Vice presid Kamala Harrison. So much progress has

1057
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: been made, but there's still such a long way to go.

1058
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: And I just, you know, my authentic self is just enough.

1059
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: I can't so like, I don't put on anything else,

1060
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: and I go to work every day. I literally have

1061
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: the privilege of going to work just as simone because

1062
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: simone is just enough.

1063
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors who make this

1064
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: show possible.

1065
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: So what made you know?

1066
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: Because you said you spoke what you wanted into existence

1067
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: with Senator Sanders, then you were in the Biden campaign.

1068
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: How did you know that it was time to leave

1069
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: for the cable TV part?

1070
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: You know? I So I did the Biden campaign. I

1071
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: worked through the transition.

1072
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: I served the president and Vice president in the administration,

1073
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: and it was just grueling. That was from the campaign

1074
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: to the administration. It was about three years because I'd

1075
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: do in the campaign in twenty nineteen and then twenty

1076
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: twenty and then twenty twenty one. So by the end

1077
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 3: of that year, almost the end of the year twenty

1078
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 3: twenty one, I just felt like that I was burnt out.

1079
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 3: I felt tired. I felt like I was coming home

1080
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: and I was just I was an unhappy person.

1081
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: You know, I'm tired. You know when you getting tired

1082
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: of ghost. I was exhausted.

1083
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 3: I was hopping on and I've been hopping on off

1084
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: planes for about three years, and I want to be

1085
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 3: able to go to brunch.

1086
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: I was also about to get married, like I got

1087
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 2: engaged earlier that year, and my wedding was going to.

1088
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: Be in twenty twenty two, and I just had to

1089
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 3: make a decision, like do I I enjoy and loved

1090
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 3: my job. I have a deep respect and love for

1091
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 3: the president and the Vice President, and it was tough

1092
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 3: for me. I didn't even want to tell the Vice

1093
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: president that I was leaving. You know what I did,

1094
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 3: I told the chief of staffs first that I had made.

1095
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: The decision to go. My chief is after this time.

1096
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: Her name was Tina, the Vice President's first chief of staff,

1097
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: and Tina was like, well, we all want you here,

1098
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: and I'm like, yes, I know, Tina, but I just

1099
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 3: like it's my time, and you know I'm tired.

1100
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: I gave it. I told Tina all the things I'm

1101
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: telling you. You know, I'm getting married and I want

1102
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: to be able to enjoy and plan my wedding. And

1103
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: Tina's like, well, you must tell her, And I'm like, well,

1104
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 2: can't you tell her? And I didn't want to tell

1105
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: her because I.

1106
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: Loved my job and I had deep respective love for

1107
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 3: the vice President, and she gave me an opportunity to

1108
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 3: know that no one else had afforded to me.

1109
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 2: She never hesitated to make me her spokesperson. She called

1110
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: me and she told me, I would like you to

1111
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: be my senior advisor and my chief spokesperson.

1112
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 3: She never she never questioned if I could do the job.

1113
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 3: She never suggested that I didn't have enough experience.

1114
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: She never.

1115
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: All she ever did was so confidence in me that

1116
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: I could do it, and then we would go and

1117
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: get it done. And I didn't. You know, when you

1118
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: decide you want to leave something that you've been in

1119
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: with people for.

1120
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 3: A while, it's like you kind of feel like you're

1121
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 3: letting people down because it's like, oh, you think of

1122
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 3: all the things that you're responsible for and so I don't.

1123
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: I don't.

1124
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 3: I think in the moment, I didn't want to be

1125
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 3: the one to tell it to her first, because maybe

1126
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 3: maybe I didn't want anybody to say, hey, maybe maybe

1127
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 3: you should stay.

1128
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: I don't want her to I don't want her to

1129
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 2: counter me. And what if I'm in a week moment

1130
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 2: and like she's I'm like, okay, final stay. So I

1131
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: asked Tina to tell her first. Tina Tina. Tina took

1132
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: her time telling her for the same reason I think

1133
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: I took her. I didn't want to tell her, And

1134
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: she finally told her the day she told her we

1135
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: were going to do.

1136
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 3: I think we're going to do a campaign event in

1137
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 3: Virginia because it was an advance of the midterm elections.

1138
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: And we get out of the motorcade and we're walking

1139
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: down the hallway in like this school in Virginia where

1140
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 3: the rally is happening.

1141
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: And as I'm walking, I'm trying to brief her about

1142
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 2: this stuff and she's like, I talked to Tina. She

1143
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 2: told me. I'm like, ma'am. She was like, you and

1144
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: I need to talk. I said, yes, ma'am. And the

1145
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: next day she asked me.

1146
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 3: Coming to her office, and I send to our office

1147
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: for about forty five minutes. The vice because of the

1148
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 3: United States of America, does not have forty five minutes

1149
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 3: for her staff person be sitting on the couch talk

1150
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 3: about something that is not connected to work she does,

1151
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: but she took the time to sit there with me

1152
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: and the conversation that we had. She never once countered

1153
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 3: me and told me tried to talk me out of

1154
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 3: the decision I made. She wanted to understand why I was.

1155
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: Leaving, which I told her what exactly what I told

1156
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: you here, and she gave me good advice. And then

1157
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 2: she asked me, I thought, I she well, I want

1158
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 2: just paraphraid. And note that she told me. She told

1159
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: me that whatever I do next, I should understand that

1160
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: I am in the driver's seat. She underscored that like

1161
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: the work we had done here was.

1162
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 3: Was truly transform transformational, amazing work. The work here is

1163
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: not yet done. And but like she unders she she

1164
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 3: reinforced that she understood.

1165
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: Where I was.

1166
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 3: And then she just kind of talked to me about

1167
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: how the decisions that I'm making, how they affect my life.

1168
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 3: Like she talked to me about she she had known

1169
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 3: she had gotten to know my now husband very well.

1170
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 3: You know, she would give him herbs from her garden.

1171
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 3: She got a garden in LA but also at the

1172
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: vice presidents at the Naple Observatory, she'd always you know,

1173
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 3: be bringing stuff, say in a little baggies that this

1174
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 3: is for it's for your husband, because ain't for me,

1175
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 3: because I'm not cooking Sophia and she she so she

1176
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: talked me about that and just and it was so

1177
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: interesting because when I originally met her, way back when

1178
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: I met her when uh he shortly after he and

1179
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: I started dating, and so she kind of been on

1180
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: the journey with us the whole time, even before that,

1181
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: so I had all I would always kind of talk

1182
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 3: to her about the things.

1183
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: You know, she's some days it's like a auntie.

1184
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 3: But it was a great conversation, and she did pour

1185
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: into me there and then she was like, now we

1186
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: got to go to work, and I all, I remember

1187
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 3: every single thing that she said to me in that conversation.

1188
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: So when I was having my meetings when I left

1189
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: the White House, I was very clear, just like I

1190
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: was when I was with Senator Sanders and all the

1191
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 2: other jobs I've had previously, what I wanted.

1192
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: I wanted a show, and I wanted my own show

1193
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: on TV, and every single network had told me that

1194
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: is not what you really want. They all said the

1195
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 3: same They all had the same script, Oh you don't

1196
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: really want to do that. Oh I don't think that's

1197
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 3: what you want. Don't you want the flexibility? But I'm

1198
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: telling you what I want. I want a television show

1199
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 3: on TV. I want to do I want my own

1200
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 3: show on cable news. And it wasn't until I met

1201
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 3: with Rashida Joe's from MSBC and she asked.

1202
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: Me, well, what kind of show would you like to have?

1203
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 3: And that is where we got to to where we

1204
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 3: are now, where I'm one of the co hosts of

1205
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 3: the Weekend but one I've never I always think about.

1206
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: Not allowing anyone to put me in a box that

1207
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: like where I become a characterture of myself. You know,

1208
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: I have a lot of personality.

1209
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 3: You know, I don't necessarily talk how people are used

1210
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 3: to how other news anchors people are used to hearing.

1211
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 3: And that's this is how I was when I worked

1212
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: for you know, when I worked in the federal government,

1213
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 3: when I worked for the vice president of the president.

1214
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: But the vice president she always would say. I mean,

1215
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: she's like, you are funny, but you are also very

1216
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: serious and you are substantive. And if people are if

1217
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 3: someone is not getting both of those from you, they are.

1218
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: Not getting you. And I think about that as I

1219
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: do this job. Now.

1220
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: For sure, I love that and I think that's really important.

1221
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: That's something that my friendships with women like you have

1222
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: taught me is, you know, my intellect and my deep

1223
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: twenty years of showing up for policy work matters. And yeah,

1224
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm also like a wildly unseerious person who you know,

1225
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: wants to run around to late night diners and go

1226
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: to dance parties. And there has to be space for

1227
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: all of it. And I think particular cularly women who

1228
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: are intellectual or powerful or political get the funds discouraged.

1229
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: Out of them.

1230
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm excited to be in an era where

1231
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: it feels like we can be more full.

1232
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 3: Yes, whole people who does the kid who have thought

1233
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 3: thought I've given dynamic?

1234
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, when you think about this larger dynamic of

1235
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: your life, this thing that you know, spoke claimed owned,

1236
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: when you sit at the helm of your show, is

1237
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: it everything that you dreamed of?

1238
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: Like?

1239
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: Is the little kid Simone who pretended to host her

1240
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: own show Happy Do you love it?

1241
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1242
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 3: Honestly, like people are, especially nowadays, their body's like, oh, well, well,

1243
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 3: do you miss the campaign trail?

1244
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: Do you miss this?

1245
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 3: And I'm as a campaign person, you definitely missed the

1246
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 3: campaign trail because I came up and doing campaigns like

1247
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 3: I'm a campaign baby for sure.

1248
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: But I love what I'm doing now. And frankly, I

1249
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: know what.

1250
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 3: The you know. I read. I read the trade newspapers

1251
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 3: and the trade. I know what people say about cable news,

1252
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 3: but the reality is sofia. When something happens in the world,

1253
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 3: people turn on their television. And when they turn on

1254
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: their TV, I mean when when the interrection happened. When

1255
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 3: when folks took up arms against the against the UN,

1256
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: against officers who were defending the United States capital, people

1257
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 3: who attempted to subvert the peaceful transition of power, People

1258
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 3: turned on the TV to see what was happening. I mean,

1259
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 3: when Joe Biden said he wasn't right for president anymore,

1260
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 3: he dropped.

1261
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: It on social media, so people said social media.

1262
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 3: Then they turned on the TV, but they wanted some

1263
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 3: context put into what they were seeing.

1264
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: And they wanted to know if it was true, because nowadays,

1265
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: sometimes yout on the Internet isn't true. So when all

1266
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: of these things are happening in the world, people still

1267
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: turn on the television, and when they do, they are

1268
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 2: expecting to find someone there who's going to tell them

1269
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: the truth, who's going to be actual and factual and substantive,

1270
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 2: who is just going to going to you know, give

1271
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 2: them the information and help give them a roadmap. And

1272
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: I great honor and a great privilege.

1273
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 3: I feel so blessed to be able to, you know,

1274
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 3: do that with Michael Steele and Elysia Menindez on the

1275
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: weekends every Saturday and Sunday, and the opportunities that I

1276
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 3: have throughout the week. So this is if I am

1277
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 3: not you know, in the if I'm not in the

1278
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 3: fight at the at the White House or you know,

1279
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 3: out on the campaign trial, I think the next best

1280
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 3: place to be is on TV giving context to the

1281
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 3: moments that we are collectively experiencing as American people.

1282
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 2: And you know that is my you know, radical revolutionary

1283
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: contribution to this moment. I love it.

1284
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: And when I think about the stages and phases of life,

1285
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: you did that work so that you can have this

1286
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: kind of innate expertise in this phase I made.

1287
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: What could I argue? Who could have orchestrated it better?

1288
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: Sophia's like I knew, I love it. You are.

1289
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: You are a literal walking example of the power of

1290
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: manifestation and hard work. It's my favorite combo in a

1291
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: human As you sit here, you know, in this moment

1292
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: where it's all come true when you look out at

1293
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: the year ahead, and not just necessarily with the election,

1294
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: I guess I just mean more for you, like for Simon,

1295
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: what feels like you're working progress?

1296
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 2: Now?

1297
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 3: You know, I just.

1298
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 2: Ooh, this is a deep question. What is my work

1299
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: in progress?

1300
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 3: Now? Look, I just think that this there are well,

1301
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 3: the election is what is in front of us, as

1302
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 3: like the American people, right and the people that are

1303
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 3: keyed into the political every single day. There are many

1304
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 3: other things happening across our country and across the world

1305
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 3: that don't make it to the front pages of the

1306
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 3: newspapers or on the cable news every day.

1307
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: And there are real.

1308
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,919
Speaker 3: Issues that people are dealing with across this country, whether

1309
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 3: it comes, whether they're dealing with them economically, whether we're

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Speaker 3: talking about you know, the reproductive fight, whether they talk

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Speaker 3: about criminal justice, I think about I recently saw the

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Speaker 3: video of Sonia Massey.

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Speaker 2: I waited to watch it.

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Speaker 3: I read all the descriptions, but I was like, I

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Speaker 3: need to watch the video, and like, these things are

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Speaker 3: still happening. So I just would say that there are

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Speaker 3: many things that need the layers peeled back, that need

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Speaker 3: the context, that need to be spoken about. There are

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Speaker 3: many conversations that need to be had that are separate

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Speaker 3: from maybe I think everything, at the end of the

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Speaker 3: day is political. Everything is not partisan, but everything is political.

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Speaker 3: You know, the ability Sonia, the difference between Sonia Massey

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Speaker 3: being alive today and losing her life in her kitchen

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Speaker 3: because a police officer shot.

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Speaker 2: Her in the head, that is in fact political.

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Speaker 3: Yes, is political to be able to go to the

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Speaker 3: grocery store in your neighborhood to get vegetables.

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Speaker 2: And green lettuce.

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Speaker 3: It's political to be able to go to the doctor

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Speaker 3: and get the health care that you need and the

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Speaker 3: timely manner that is high quality when you need it.

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Speaker 3: And so everything, in my opinion is political, everything though

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Speaker 3: it is not partisan.

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Speaker 2: And so I think that many of the things that

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Speaker 2: I just mentioned.

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Speaker 3: Simply they are political, and so they are connected to

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Speaker 3: this current moment, but it is not they don't they

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Speaker 3: this current moment, this election is not the only thing,

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Speaker 3: and so I'm excited about the ability. Like what conversations

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Speaker 3: we're having post November fifth, twenty twenty four, post January

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty and twenty twenty five. I hope we're not

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Speaker 3: talking about another potential insurrection. I hope we are not

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Speaker 3: having conversations about how elected officials across the country who

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Speaker 3: have whether they've been elected to serve or volunteer, election officials,

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Speaker 3: have developed a very sinister plot to subvert the will

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Speaker 3: of the people that the person that they wanted is

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Speaker 3: in fact not elected.

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Speaker 2: I hope that's not what we're talking about, but we are.

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Speaker 2: I'll be ready to have the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Well, my hope is that fifty two years after Shirley

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Speaker 1: Chisholm ran indeed in nineteen seventy two, that we get

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Speaker 1: to see that dream manifested into existence, and that we,

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Speaker 1: to your point, have a peaceful transition of power, and

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Speaker 1: then we get to continue working toward progress for the

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Speaker 1: American people and economy that works for everybody in a

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Speaker 1: world where women like us get to actually, you know,

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Speaker 1: maintain our sovereign rights. That would be lovely.

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Speaker 2: That would be lovely. I don't want the handmade sale, honey,

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Speaker 2: y'all mean neither. I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I would love to just put a real stop, just

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Speaker 1: break pedal on that. Please and thank you, and so

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Speaker 1: may it be. You are a powerful manifestor. I feel

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Speaker 1: like me getting to have this conversation with you put

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Speaker 1: some things in motion in the universe. So thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming today, thank you for taking the time. I

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Speaker 1: absolutely adore you.

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Speaker 2: I adore you. Be well, okay, and I'll see fi okay, I'll.

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Speaker 1: Be watching you. Bye bo bye, honey.