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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome to move the stacks. DJ, buck

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Speaker 1: back with you and h buck Man. We were planning

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Speaker 1: today to just go all in on these championship games,

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Speaker 1: which we're gonna do. We'll get a chance to preview

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Speaker 1: those in a little bit. But man, we got some

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Speaker 1: news yesterday evening that the Chargers have a new coach

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Speaker 1: and it's Jim Harbaugh. And I think that is where

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Speaker 1: we absolutely must start, absolutely must start there. And I'm

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh is one.

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Speaker 3: Nick Saban is Yella because of just the way they

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Speaker 2: You just you love what that is.

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Speaker 3: But in watching Jim Harbaugh not only take Michigan from

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Speaker 3: the same thing with the Stanford Cardinal, watching him do

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Speaker 3: him do the same thing with this Fancisco forty nine ers,

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Speaker 3: I'm excited for you and I'm excited for Charges fans

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Speaker 3: because when we talk about and we throw the terms

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Speaker 3: see what he has an opportunity to do in LA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited to get a front row seat to

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll get to you know what he's done

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Speaker 1: in previous spots. But you mentioned Nick Saban's name and

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Speaker 1: It's such a great If you haven't seen it, look

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Speaker 1: stuff that's been around for forever, which is we're going

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Speaker 1: to be physical in practice. We might practice a little

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Speaker 3: You know what's coming, and the excitement would be in

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Speaker 2: They'll all be pulling the vote in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: I think with Tom you get that.

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Speaker 3: You get that, hey man, I don't think he wants

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was told, look, you have AP's mentors,

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Speaker 2: They got to figure it out.

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Speaker 3: They gotta figure out is that a free agency conversation

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Speaker 3: And you know, the great thing about it, We've seen

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Speaker 2: Let Tom do that.

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Speaker 3: Because Tom has done it, he can kind of help

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Speaker 3: Right after this, it's time for the MCS Game of

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Speaker 1: defenses would be the conversation even more so than Lamar

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Speaker 1: and Mahomes like that to me might surprise people. But

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Speaker 1: these are two defenses, not good defenses. These defenses are

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Speaker 1: playing elite and in the Ravens case, they can have

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Speaker 1: a case if they finish this thing out and win

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl that you were talking about them and

442
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Speaker 1: amongst some of the best defenses of all time, including

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Speaker 1: their own, when you lead in all the statistical categories

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Speaker 1: that they lead in, and if they were to find

445
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Speaker 1: a way to vanquish the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes, I

446
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Speaker 1: think yeah, they would be they'd be on their way

447
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Speaker 1: to earning that type of praise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

449
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Speaker 3: So if they do that, if they knock it off

450
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Speaker 3: and they're able to kind of put it together, it'll

451
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Speaker 3: be great. When we think about the quarterback matchup, right,

452
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Speaker 3: so we always want to kind of replay what we

453
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Speaker 3: had in yesteryear, right, So everyone has been looking for

454
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Speaker 3: the Brady Manning matchup, the quarterback rivalry to determine it all.

455
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Speaker 3: And so there have been that conversation about Pat Mahomes

456
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Speaker 3: and Josh Allen, but DJ, this.

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Speaker 2: Is the one that could be that that conversation.

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Speaker 3: You know, the rivalry that matches at Pat Mahomes is

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Speaker 3: a two time MVP, two time Super Bowl winner. Lamar

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Speaker 3: Jackson probably will be a two time MVP, but he

461
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Speaker 3: doesn't have any pelts on the wall when it comes

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Speaker 3: to championships. So that rovalry going back and forth. Can

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Speaker 3: Lamar jack out dual Pat Mahomes? Can he create the

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Speaker 3: conversation where we talk about Lamar Jackson overtaking Pat Mahomes

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Speaker 3: as the best quarterback in the game because to do

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Speaker 3: that he has MVPs that are on par.

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Speaker 2: But he has to win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: So this is an opportunity for us to get that

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Speaker 3: conversation started if he shines on the biggest stage. And

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be tough for Lamar Jackson because the Cansay

471
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Speaker 3: Chiefs defense is good.

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Speaker 2: They got to figure out a way to block Chris Jones.

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Speaker 3: They also have to figure out a way to get

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Speaker 3: open against what I think is a very good but

475
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Speaker 3: underrated young secondary and Spags is gonna throw the kitchen

476
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Speaker 3: sink at Lamar Jackson. If he's able to handle this,

477
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Speaker 3: then we can begin to have that discussion about where

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Speaker 3: he stacks as the top two to three quarterback in

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Speaker 3: the league.

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Speaker 1: I think both these teams defensively match up really well

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Speaker 1: as well as you can against these quarterbacks. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you look at Kansas City, let's stay there. You

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Speaker 1: talk about Chris Jones and the nightmare, he is the block.

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Speaker 1: I would say also the second level, it's a really

485
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Speaker 1: really athletic, good linebacking corps and you can't, like we

486
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Speaker 1: talked about it in the Houston game, there were times

487
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Speaker 1: where Denzel Paraman got stuck in the hot seat of

488
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson taken off, and that's not Denzel Perriman's game.

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Speaker 1: They have guys that can really really run that can

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Speaker 1: help try and slow that down when Lamar surveys and

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Speaker 1: goes like they've got a fighting chance in space. They're

492
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Speaker 1: an excellent tackling back seven. So that that to me

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Speaker 1: helps them on the matchup side of things. The other

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Speaker 1: side of it. A man, it sounds crazy to say it,

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Speaker 1: but I'm like, I don't know where how is Kansas

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Speaker 1: City gonna generate consistent offense against thething that They're gonna

497
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Speaker 1: have to find a way to run the ball. They

498
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Speaker 1: have to find a way to run the ball, and

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Speaker 1: they would you know, ideally you want to be able

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Speaker 1: to stretch them out a little bit because the Ravens

501
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Speaker 1: defensively buck they play top down, they play flat footed,

502
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Speaker 1: they drive, and they smack you in the field shrinks

503
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Speaker 1: because they know what those sim pressures they're gonna get home.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna have time to sit back there and

505
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Speaker 1: han and wait for things to get opened down the field.

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Speaker 1: So defensively, it's such a huge advantage, you know, I

507
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Speaker 1: know it's not. They're not playing cover zero like Miami

508
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Speaker 1: did back in the day, but it's similar and that

509
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Speaker 1: in that game you remember, like the DBS, they just

510
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Speaker 1: played it at eight yards and they were rolling downhill,

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Speaker 1: flat footed.

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Speaker 2: Coming coming fast. And we'll talk about it.

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Speaker 3: The things that have been themes of the podcast the

514
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Speaker 3: last half of the year, tackling physicality.

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Speaker 2: In those things.

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Speaker 3: So when I when I look at Kansas City, because

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Speaker 3: we're talking about Kansas City's offense against Baltimore's defense, we're

518
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Speaker 3: trying to figure out, how are they going to produce

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Speaker 3: explosive plays.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's hard.

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Speaker 3: Enough to drive eighty yards on denk and dunk plays,

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Speaker 3: So who is going to be the player on the

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Speaker 3: perimeter that can deliver the explosive plays. If I'm Mike McDonald,

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Speaker 3: the first person that you want to x out is

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey's not going We're not gonna let Travis Kelsey

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Speaker 3: have an explosive play.

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Speaker 1: I mean with with Rokwan Smith, Patrick Queen and Kyle Hamilton,

528
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Speaker 1: Like who's better equipped to try and deal with him

529
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Speaker 1: than the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to take him out. So then who's

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Speaker 2: the next person.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you look at the thing, Rashid Rice has

533
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Speaker 3: been the guy that just kind of stepped up. Okay,

534
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Speaker 3: so how can we eliminate him? This is if i'm McDonald. Oh, guys,

535
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Speaker 3: we're gonna make this be a sky more nbs as

536
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Speaker 3: the Watkins. Those guys are going to have to beat us.

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Speaker 3: One of those guys is going to have to go

538
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Speaker 3: for one hundred yards to be us. And that's how

539
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Speaker 3: you till the defense. And so it's gonna be difficult

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Speaker 3: for them to score unless they able to run the

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Speaker 3: ball with put check go or Pat Mahomes does Pat

542
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Speaker 3: Mahomes stuff where he scrambles around and you fall asleep

543
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Speaker 3: at the wheel. When you look at this matchup, it's

544
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Speaker 3: more challenging and difficult for the Kansay the Chiefs to

545
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Speaker 3: get to twenty four than to Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 2: To get your twenty four.

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Speaker 1: So that leads to my question. I've been asked, like,

548
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Speaker 1: how what do the Chiefs do to win this game?

549
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Speaker 1: They got to get turnovers? Like you're not gonna as

550
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Speaker 1: great as Mahomes and Andy Ridar, Like you don't want

551
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Speaker 1: to go eighty yards against this defense, Like you've got

552
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Speaker 1: to get some turnovers and maybe it's a play and

553
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Speaker 1: special teams as well.

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Speaker 2: It feels weird.

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Speaker 1: It almost feels odd like we're talking about the Kansas

556
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Speaker 1: City Chiefs and they're six straight championship game, Like do

557
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Speaker 1: they need to just go out there and just play

558
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Speaker 1: their normal game? And I'm like, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I think they need more than this game and this

560
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Speaker 1: matchup in this environment against that defense. I think they

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Speaker 1: got to get turnovers.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: And if you watch them as you have every tackle

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Speaker 1: that Kansas City has made in the postseason, they are

565
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Speaker 1: punching and grabbing and pulling at the ball, and they

566
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Speaker 1: got to get a couple of them in this game.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So let's go counterpoint to that. If you're the

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Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens DJ, there are times when you go into

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Speaker 3: a playoff games and you're like, Hey, what do we

570
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Speaker 3: need to do?

571
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Speaker 2: To win. Hey, we just need to whole serve.

572
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Speaker 3: So if we don't give them anything over four quarters,

573
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Speaker 3: they can't beat us. So if you're the Baltimore Ravens,

574
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Speaker 3: ease into the game, Lamar. You don't have to force

575
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Speaker 3: it all, you guys, you don't have to be heroes.

576
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Speaker 3: Let the game come to us. Our defense is going

577
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Speaker 3: to keep the score down, so if we just continue.

578
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Speaker 3: And I think last week was great preparation for them

579
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Speaker 3: for this week because the game was tight at halftime

580
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Speaker 3: and they didn't panic, and then they blew it open

581
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Speaker 3: in the second half. I think John Harbaugh can walk

582
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Speaker 3: into the room and say, look, this game is going.

583
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Speaker 3: It's going to be a tight game. It may be

584
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Speaker 3: tight for two and a half quarters, it may be

585
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Speaker 3: tight for three quarters going into the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: We're the better team.

587
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Speaker 3: We just need to stay the course, don't get outside

588
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Speaker 3: of ourselves, just stay that. If we do that, they'll

589
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Speaker 3: win because I think they have more avenues to lead

590
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Speaker 3: the victory than the Kansas cy the.

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Speaker 2: Chiefs, yep man.

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Speaker 1: I think they come out and try and establish the

593
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Speaker 1: run too.

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Speaker 2: In this game.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see which team can find a

596
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Speaker 1: way to run against really really good defenses.

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Speaker 2: I think that'll be huge.

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Speaker 3: It will be huge. And the other thing because they

599
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Speaker 3: hidden yardage. Right, we always talk about Lamar Jackson's rushing

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Speaker 3: yards whenever we look at but in the playoffs the

601
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Speaker 3: last few years, Pat Mahomes is fifty sixty the hidden yardage.

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Speaker 1: And they're big third downs a lot of times.

603
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Speaker 2: The scrambles.

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Speaker 3: Who wins the scramble game because to me, Lamar Jackson's

605
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Speaker 3: game has become more like Pat mahomes game as a runner,

606
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: more scrambles than a I'm running quarterback, powers encounters, more

607
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 3: things where I'm coming bootlegs out the back door. I'm

608
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 3: picking up the same yards, but I'm doing it in

609
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: a different fashion. We need to keep an eye on

610
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Speaker 3: who's winning the scramble game between those quarterbacks because they're

611
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 3: hidden yardage results in first downs on third down key situations.

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00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: It also can reserve in touchdowns, particularly when it comes

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Speaker 3: to Lamar Jackson. It's just a great matchup. I can't

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Speaker 3: wait to see it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a heavyweight matchup. I cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: get this thing going.

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Speaker 2: All right, Buck?

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Speaker 1: The NFC side of things, what are you looking for here?

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Speaker 1: Lions going on the road to take on the Niners.

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 3: Man, you know, it's so funny because we've talked about it,

627
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Speaker 3: and we talked about these teams potentially matching up over

628
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 3: the course of the season, and we used to talk

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Speaker 3: about which teams in the NFC.

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Speaker 2: The kind of bully the bullies.

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Speaker 3: The Lions are the team that we kind of identified

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Speaker 3: that would be willing to go toe to toe, not

633
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: from a talent perspective, but just from a mentality. Their

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00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: coaching staff, what they've preached, the environment and culture that

635
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: they've created. They're not going to blink and back down

636
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: from what the Niners do. The key will be can

637
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 3: they execute under pressure? This is a big game. This

638
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: will be the biggest game that Lions have played in.

639
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: The Niners have been on this stage. We talk about

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00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: the number of championship games in a row. They still

641
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: have guys who have Super Bowl experience. That stuff kind

642
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: of matters in these high leverage games, and the Detroit

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Speaker 3: Lions stay in character while dealing with I won't even

644
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: call it the Shenanigans. We're dealing with the antics that

645
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers bring when they play. They dump

646
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: you on the gatorade bucket, they hit you, they play

647
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 3: to and through the whistle. Matter to physicality and toughness

648
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: while remaining poised enough to focus on the execution.

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Speaker 2: Part of the game.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember, Man, it had to have been the

651
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Speaker 1: It might have been after the opening week. I know

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Speaker 1: it was like in the first month or first few

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Speaker 1: weeks of the season. We were on here and I

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Speaker 1: brought up the point that the Lions feel like the Niners,

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Speaker 1: like JV team, and I said, look at the similarities

656
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Speaker 1: of how they've done this. You've got accurate quarterbacks that

657
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: are good decision makers. You get a top five pick

658
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: pass rusher from the Big Ten. You've got Bosa, You've

659
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: got Aiden Hutchinson. They each have a big time offensive tackle,

660
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: Trent Williams, Penna Suol, the rack and the toughness at

661
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: the receiver position. I'm on Ross Saint Brown tough as nails. Obviously,

662
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: we know about Debo, what him and I you do

663
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: after the catchup and Iowa tight end George Kittle, and

664
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Speaker 1: then you also have Laporte like they're built their team

665
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: for this matchup. I mean they have mirrored how the

666
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: four nine ers have built it, which is interesting to

667
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: me because I think people thought, Okay, when you have

668
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: Brad Holmes come from LA from the Rams, he would

669
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Speaker 1: try and imitate and emulate the team that he worked for.

670
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: He also had an up close view of the forty

671
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Speaker 1: nine ers during his time there, and instead of building

672
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: the Rams, I think he built the Niners.

673
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Speaker 3: That's such an interesting observation and connecting the dots and DJ.

674
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: Until we jumped into this conversation, I hadn't really thought

675
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: about Brad Holmes and that front row seat to the

676
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: Niners and seeing them twice a year and seeing the

677
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: dominance that they've had in the NFC and how that

678
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: physicality and toughness is real, and how they have build

679
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: a team that is very similar in their approach, similar

680
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: in terms of style and the way they're constructed. I've

681
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: used these words before, and I originally used it a

682
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: few days ago on TV talking about the Lions when

683
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: we talk about the building to play with force or

684
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,239
Speaker 3: for nests, that's the same way that the Niners doing.

685
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: And when I mean by force is we're gonna run

686
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: the ball when you know we're gonna run it. We're

687
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Speaker 3: gonna run it when it's time to get the game done.

688
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: But that's is we.

689
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: Still have all the sexy stuff, we still have all

690
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: the creative plays. We still can jet sweep and do

691
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: all the other stuff. We have that in our bag.

692
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: But when push comes to shove, you're going to feel

693
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: our force. You're gonna feel us impose our will. That's

694
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: next level ball. The Lions have that, but do they

695
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: have it to the degree that the Niners have it?

696
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: That's what it would be. Christian McCaffrey being a big

697
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: part of it, right, Christian McCaffrey and everything. But I'm

698
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: gonna say this, the matchup filts on Deebo Samuel because

699
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: the Niners with Deebo Samuel are one way. Without him,

700
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: it goes a different way. So it Deebo's availability to

701
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: me plays a big part of who wins this game.

702
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a great point. The only other

703
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: thing I would say that I feel good about if

704
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: I was the Niners. We talked about these teams and

705
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: similar they both love to work in the middle of

706
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: the field throwing wise. You look at last week's game,

707
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: Laporta and Saint Brown combined for seventeen catches. Now, the

708
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: problem is that neighborhood you're playing in against the Niners

709
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: looks a little different than the neighborhood you were playing

710
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: against last week. You've got Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw

711
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: now in the middle of that field. And if we

712
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: look and flip it over to the other side, well,

713
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: I like, I like, you know, Jack Campbell's a good

714
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: young player and Seloni's a good player. That's not the same.

715
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: So to me, I think that's where the advantage goes

716
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: to the Niners. If you want to play this game

717
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. I don't think the

718
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: Lions went. I think the Lions if they're going to win,

719
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to get something out of their comfort zone.

720
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: Shot over the top, shots outside. That's what you saw

721
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: last week with the Packers. They were able to andbry

722
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: Thomas pass interference penalties. Like, there's plays to be made

723
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: on the outside and over the top. But Jered Goff

724
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: loves to work in the middle of the field. I

725
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have to get a little bit outside

726
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: this game, outside their comfort zone as well.

727
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: Okay, two things they may addressed to San Francisco forty

728
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: nine ers first, and this is why they have to

729
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: work outside of it. If you know Steve Wilks, Steve

730
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: Wilks is what we call a quarters coverage guy. So quarters,

731
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: think about dividing the field into quarters twenty five percent each,

732
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: the corner, the safeties, they.

733
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Speaker 2: Take their respective parts.

734
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: They played with their corners inside out, so they want

735
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: to take away the middle of the field, and they

736
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: want to force all the throws to be towards the

737
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: boundary because those are the lower percentage throws. Most teams,

738
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Speaker 3: as we're talking about, they want to work the middle

739
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: of the field. So if you can make the low

740
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: percentage throws consistently, there are yards to be had. You

741
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: talked about the deep shots that the Packers took. That

742
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: is a part of it. I had an opportunity yesterday.

743
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: I talked to a coach who has played against the

744
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: Niners for a long time, and he talked about he

745
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: used to be with the Green Bay Packers, and he

746
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: talked about the Packers played the nine as well because

747
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: they knew exactly what to expect. So when you saw

748
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: those guys miss interceptions, Savage, I think maybe Nixon or

749
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: somebody else missed. He was like, Buck, when you play

750
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan's you have to sit on the end breaking

751
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: routes and you gotta go, like you gotta pull the trigger.

752
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 3: That can't be hesitancy, you gotta go. And he talked

753
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: about how Savage kind of blew the layup because that

754
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: was a pick six waiting to happen. And with the Lions,

755
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: because they the Niners work inside.

756
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: Brian Branch, CJ.

757
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: Garner, Johnson, Kirby, Joseph one of those guys has to

758
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: make a play on something that is coming over the

759
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 3: middle of the field to discourage Rock Praide.

760
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: From just letting it go.

761
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: You just want to create a little pause, a little

762
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: hesitancy before he attacks the middle. They need to make

763
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: a play early to kind of triak it. Because remember

764
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: when Baltimore beat them, What did Baltimore do. They jammed

765
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: the middle of the field. They wanted brock Praide to

766
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: throw it outside and he couldn't get it done. You

767
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: gotta take away the middle of the field. You have

768
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: to make Rock Purdy work outside the numbers, because that's

769
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: not what this offense wants to do.

770
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Speaker 1: No doubt, I'm looking forward to both of these games.

771
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: Here quick, before we get out of here, I do

772
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: want to touch on I don't want to short change

773
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: the Titan fans out there. They got their head coach

774
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: in Brian Callahan. Just quick thoughts there on that decision.

775
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: Mike Rabels out, Brian Callahan is in.

776
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: So DJ We talked about team building a few different ways.

777
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: One when and I have the utmost respect for Mike Vrabel.

778
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: As a coach.

779
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 3: He's one of the best coaches, one of the best

780
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: tacticians strategists that you will find. But when the owner

781
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: of the team talked about not having the alignment in

782
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: the building, she wanted to make sure that like businesses,

783
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 3: the best businesses, everyone sees it same vision, same voice.

784
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: She might have some disagreement, but in the end, everyone

785
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 3: is pulling the vote in the same direction. Ran Carthun

786
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: gets a promotion, moves up from GM to executive vice president,

787
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: all this other stuff like he has kind of the

788
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 3: juice to oversee the roster brings in the coaching staff

789
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: brings in Callahan, who j.

790
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: I swear they were together some way. Did Callahan ever

791
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: work with the Rams?

792
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: I think he does have some time there.

793
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 2: I think he does have time, So I.

794
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: Think they might have been together with the Rams, if

795
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken. So I think there's a synergy in

796
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: some way in terms of the alignment between that and

797
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: then with Brian Callahan being able to bring over his dad,

798
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 3: Bill Callahan, one of the most respected offensive line coaches

799
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 3: in football, you already know and understand how this team

800
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 3: is going to be constructed. So Brian Callahan never worked

801
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: with the Rams, No, but Zach Taylor, So the commonality

802
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: would be that Ran certainly knows Zach Taviors, so he

803
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: can connected in that regard. So the big thing will

804
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: be can these guys be on the same page. Can

805
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: they build a team where they both kind of see

806
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 3: it the same And I think they can.

807
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: They'll be physical enough.

808
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: But if you know Brian Callahan, he believes the best

809
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: teams are the best throwing teams. Yeah, I mean they

810
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: throw the most but the most efficient and the most

811
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: effective when it comes to passing. Can he get will

812
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: Levis to that point where he's a high efficient, high

813
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: efficiency quarterback. To me, that's the number one thing that

814
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: he has to do if this team is going to

815
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: be one that seriously contends in the AFC South.

816
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: I think that this is a direct relationship to what's

817
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: in the Division two. I think when you look at CJ.

818
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: Stroud and what he's done already year one and what

819
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: that looks like and what you're going to be dealing with,

820
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: and then you know Trevor and the ability there. You know,

821
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: maybe didn't take the step forward you thought, but you

822
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: know the talent pedigree that he has. And then I

823
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: think with Shane Steike and establishing himself, everybody's recognizing how

824
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: good of a coach he is. An offensive coach he is, especially,

825
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: and Anthony Richardson and the excitement that comes along with him.

826
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: They were like, we can get somebody to try and

827
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: slow all these guys down, or we can go get

828
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: somebody that can try and make Will Levis one of them,

829
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: you know, to compete with them. And they decided, Hey,

830
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, if we're gonna be playing these teams each

831
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: and every week, you know, it's it's an easier road

832
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: to go to try and find somebody who can go

833
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: try and score with them as opposed to stop them.

834
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the look that there's going to be there

835
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: because DJ is not only competing in the division, right,

836
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: we can talk about the division.

837
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: You got the division monster.

838
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: The AFC has loaded week quarterbacks, and the thought of, ay,

839
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: we're going to be able to defense that can slow

840
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 3: down Pat mahomes, Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, then Joe

841
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: Burrow and Justin Herbert and on and on and on

842
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: and on and on.

843
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: Not gonna happen. You have to get on the big boys.

844
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: You have to fight them, and you're gonna have to

845
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: throw some punchs is, You're gonna have to take some

846
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 3: and if you don't have knockout power, it's gonna be

847
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: hard to win into AFC.

848
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: No, it's one hundred percent man. All right, Well, glad

849
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: we got a chance to sneak that one in before

850
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: the buzz are there. This has been a fun show

851
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: looking at these conference championship games. We will be back

852
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: next week to recap those where heading out to All

853
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: Star Games as well, so we will have some updates

854
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: for you there as we kind of transition as we

855
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: get toward Super Bowl. Man we're cranking on draft stuff,

856
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: so we'll have a lot more draft content coming your

857
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: way as well. All right, appreciate you guys, Appreciate you

858
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Speaker 1: hanging with us. I would encourage, if you haven't already,

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Speaker 1: leave us a review in a rating. We do appreciate those.

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Speaker 1: much appreciated. Uh, and then we will see you next

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