WEBVTT - The Big Ten and Pac-12 are dunzo 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:05.120 Welcome to the Solid Verbal hull. 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:08.600 That for me, I'm a man, I'm for I've heard 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:10.639 so many players say, well, I want to be happy. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.000 You want to be happy for a day? Edith state 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.800 is that woo woom? 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:20.640 And Dan and Tye welcome back to the Solid Verbal 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.919 boys and girls. My name is ty Hildenbrandt, joining me 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:29.080 as always somewhere over there, the one and only Dan Rubinstein, Sir, 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:29.880 how you doing today? 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:32.960 That's a good way of describing where I am, both 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:38.279 emotionally and physically. I am. I'm pretty good all things considered. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.680 My life is okay, but I am my college football 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.400 heart is pretty sad considering the day's news. So I 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.159 want to talk this through with nobody but you, Tyler. 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:54.320 And likewise, mister Rubinstein. As you said, we broadcast with 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.800 heavy hearts today. We'll get into that in much much more. 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.400 You can always reach out and let us know what's 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.800 on your mind. Soliverbal at gmail dot com. You can 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.120 also go to our website, Solid verbal dot com. There 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:10.319 is a contact form there, or on Twitter or on 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.720 Instagram or on Facebook. We also do have a subreddit, 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.080 which I would imagine is going to be teaming with 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.600 opinions about not only what's going to go down this season, 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.759 but what's going to go down on this podcast? Dan, 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:25.000 just so many questions. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:26.920 Well, is there podcast drama? 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:30.560 I suppose there could be, I guess we'll say, not 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.320 that I know of yet, But okay, there's always time, 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.880 And of course subscribe to the show out on Spotify 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.200 and Apple on Google. We will be podcasting for the 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.920 I don't know, foreseeable future. I can't imagine why we wouldn't. 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:46.960 There's so much to talk about here, Dan. 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.360 Correct, we have no end date. We are going through 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.000 no matter what does or does not happen, we will 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.320 continue this show because it is our happy place. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:00.640 Four oh eight verbal one is also the reverbal four 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.680 oh eight eight three seven two two five one. We 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.000 cut a deal with the phone company to open the 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.680 line back up for a limited time. My guess is 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.239 that we're going to get a lot of interesting fan 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:17.040 reaction for ballers out there need some cathartic experience to 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.000 you know, heal from some of what we found out 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.720 today and some we're going to talk through tonight. Dan, 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:26.600 let's just let's let's jump right in. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.360 We do have braaking. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:41.359 News, Oh bop bope, two really big catty cosmic announcements 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.560 in the world of college football. You know where this 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:49.440 is going. We talked about this as a possibility. I 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.520 think to some extent we expected. It doesn't come as 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:56.360 a huge surprise to either of us. But now that 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.960 it's here, it kind of feels, i don't know, unnatural. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.200 It hurts as a huge college football fan, as someone 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.919 who does this show, I know you feel the same. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.200 The Big Ten announced earlier today that it is now 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:13.480 officially postponing the fall season. Remember, we heard rumors about 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.080 this being a possibility, and there was a lot of backlash, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.600 and we can get into all that, but the Big 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:23.839 Ten announced the postponement of the twenty twenty twenty one 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:29.200 fall sports season that includes all regular season contests and 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.960 Big Ten championships and tournaments, due to the ongoing health 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.680 and safety concerns related to the COVID nineteen pandemic. That 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.119 is straight from the Big Ten statement that came out 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:47.200 this afternoon. Shortly thereafter, again, as expected, the Pac twelve 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:51.520 announced a very similar thing that they were also going 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:56.520 to postpone their fall season with the intention of hopefully 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.640 playing in the springtime. We can get into the merits 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.680 of all all of that, Dan, I guess what matters 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:05.040 around the world of college football is that there are 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:09.200 three conferences that have yet to announce. I think we 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.240 can all see the writing on the wall at this point. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.960 Let's be clear, there are more than three. We have 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:16.480 the American as well. 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.960 We have three other power conferences. We have three of 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.880 the Power Conference that have yet to announce their intentions. 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.799 All of them, at least as of time of recording here, 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.159 seem like they're going to try and postpone delay drive 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.000 this out as long as possible to see if they 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.280 can get any games in this fall. Correct, The ACC 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.360 seems somewhat hell bent on trying to get as many 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.600 games in as possible to proceed as they had planned. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.560 But one does wonder how long that can go on. 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.320 All I think it takes is for one of those 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.840 three Power five holdouts to break ranks to eventually join 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.640 the Big ten and Pack twelve before the whole thing 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.560 is going to get nuked. So, you know, a lot 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.800 to unpack here. And what was your reaction to hearing this? 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.240 How do you feel now? What are we going to 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.919 talk about for like the next six months? Like so 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.280 many questions have entered my mind right now. 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.479 You know, there's probably three to four things that are 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:17.719 weighing on my mind. The first of which is, it 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.200 seems like it's been a long time coming that we've 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.440 known that this was a potential outcome for quite some time. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:29.719 It doesn't make the landing any softer when it becomes official. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:34.360 It hurts all the same because this is what we 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.440 do on this show, this is what we talk about 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.400 we I mean, you went to a Big Ten school. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.120 I went to a Pac twelve school. There is more 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.520 college football obviously that we cover, but you know, there's 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.599 something personal about both the Big Ten and Pac twelve 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.600 to us, and the fact that these are dominos. And 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.039 mind you, this is after FCS conferences. A group of 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.080 five conferences I think it was ODU and UMass also 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.200 in the last probably thirty six hours, have announced that 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.760 they have canceled their seasons. And it comes a few 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.120 days after the Big Ten with I think a lot 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.919 of qualifiers announced their revised conference schedule, and that was 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.440 sort of a point of confusion for a lot of people. 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.400 Why announce that if you were also weighing canceling the 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.440 season outright, And was that the actual word postponement that 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.960 they used or was it cancelation? What was it in 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:24.799 terms of semantics, Yeah, the semantics are postponement. So they're 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.800 hopeful for a spring season, but they do know this. 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.279 They are not willing to play fallse sports in the 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:36.000 coming months. So that's what we know. And it's hard 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:40.159 for me to hard agree, hard disagree. It's all understandable, 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.080 and I will come at it from that because I 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.600 know a lot of people have seen and there's a 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:48.120 lot to unpack because we've had players speaking out across 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.240 many of the Power all of the Power five conferences, 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.520 highlighted by Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields, these huge, huge 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.159 names talking about player input into the season and that 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.039 they want to play. That was a hashtag built around it, 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.120 and it was very cool to see players using their voices, 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.840 especially in terms of health protocols and getting representation with 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.360 regard to the season. But what the Big Ten and 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.960 then shortly thereafter the Pac twelve did was say we 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.840 are not confident in our ability to play a season 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.360 and look after our players to the best of our ability, 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.520 because we don't know what the best of our ability entails. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.960 Because the novel coronavirus is just that it is new. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.280 There are unknowns, and there are obviously different tentacles on 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:38.960 this octopus regarding liability and amateurism and optics and messaging. 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:43.800 But this is where we arrived, and I just I'm 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:48.680 disappointedly understanding. I am I am bummed out. I haven't 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.760 even really thought about what we're going to talk about 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.360 on this show, because we'll find something that's that's the 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.560 least of mine. We we know how to yam or 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.480 that's what we do. We can flap our gums, fine, 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.720 But I feel terribly for the players and the coaches, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.800 and the families of the coaches, and everybody that works 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.600 for these schools, people on broadcast teams, people covering the sport, 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.240 especially Big ten and PAC twelve teams. As of the 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.480 time of this recording, as you mentioned, the ACC and 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:17.880 Big twelve and SEC have not announced anything in that 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.840 direction yet. They're still sort of deliberating and figuring out 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.960 why the PAC twelve and Big ten made their decisions. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:30.520 But there's sort of an expected hollowness to today, which 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.200 I just I don't know. I find myself shrugging and 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.600 figuring things are trying to figure out where we go 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.640 from here, because, and we can get into this, I 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.600 don't see football happening before fall of twenty twenty one. 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.439 Yeah, yeah, you are a Spring skeptic and I'm a 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.080 Spring skeptic. Yeah, let's get into that momentarily. I just 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.040 I think back to one of the live streams we 0:08:56.080 --> 0:09:00.719 did back in April, conversation way back when when you 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.360 were still trying to figure out if you should leave 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:06.600 New York or not, and we asked a question Marche 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.360 then Yeah, yeah, we asked a question about the likelihood 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.360 of this virus effect in the twenty twenty season. And 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.040 I don't think either of us was so naive to 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.840 think that it wouldn't, but to this extent at the 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:26.080 time seemed almost infathomable. We had an opportunity, like as 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.640 a society maybe to better control the spread here, and 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.320 there are many reasons why that didn't happen, And you know, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:32.760 we're not going to get into all of that here 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.000 on a college football show. And so this isn't a 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.200 Big ten or a PAC twelve or a Mark Emmert 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.679 or an NCAA problem. This is like a societal thing 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.360 that we're going to have to deal with. I certainly 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.839 hope that with whatever choice is made, that more people 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.880 don't get sick. That's the most important thing. It sucks, 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.640 sucks that we don't have college football, at least not 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.240 in the Big Ten and Pac twelve that we're going 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:55.600 to be able to talk about this fall. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:57.800 Buddy, we don't get Lehigh Lafayette this fall. 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.600 Don't get Lehig Lafayette. There's so much much here that 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.840 I think I am still processing that. It's hard to 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.120 really put it all into words. But you know, we'll 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.440 see what comes of it now as we move forward. So, 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:14.760 as you said, Big ten, Pac twelve pulled the plug, Daniel. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:19.160 If reports are to be believed, the lynch pin in 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.960 this equation on whether we get college football at all 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.760 at the power five level is a Big twelve. Now, 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:30.480 we've been dogging Bob Bowlesby for a while. Here. My 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.720 dog's barking in the background. That's how much we've been 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.760 dogging Bob Bowlesby. But it seems as if the ACC 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.520 and the SEC want to continue with the status quo 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.079 for some period of time. I'm not saying we're definitely 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:44.600 going to play. They're just saying we need more time 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.280 to figure this out. The Big Twelve is reportedly divided 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.760 on whether or not to play this fall. I pulled 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.400 this line from an ESPN dot com article from our 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.400 friend Sam con Junior. The league appears to be on 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.200 the fence at the moment, but give it and how 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.120 scheduling announcements played out in recent weeks, don't expect the 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.920 Big twelve to rush to a decision. It could be 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.120 the last among the Power five to make a move, 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.640 so you know, no one wants to be last. I 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.760 guess if your last, you get your mind made up 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.240 for you. But the remaining three Power five conferences are 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.160 now in a bit of a bind. My guess is 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.960 that more of the medical information cited by both the 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.760 Big Ten and Pac twelve that led to their decision 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.280 to cancel the fall season, that stuff is going to 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.160 get out. It will only ratchet up the pressure on 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.880 the other conferences that have yet to decide. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.720 It all sort of highlights the pretty big gulf between 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.280 the conferences. I think in my mind, even though there 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.200 was nothing specific pointing to this, I was imagining a 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:47.480 big oak table with five conference commissioners discussing what they're 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.800 hearing and what their plans are for a conference only 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.760 schedule and when to start, and it's all fantasy. And 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.200 I mean, I know there are meetings, I know there 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.400 are conversations. We've heard stories like this, but this is 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.640 not a traditional league, a sports league in the way 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.000 that we would hope that it is. And so the 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.240 Big twelve, I think there's something very important there. The 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.080 Big twelve makes it if they decide not to play 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:12.959 a majority correct, all of a sudden, it goes from 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.080 being the Big ten and PAC twelve, which are all 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.040 you know, this the Rose Bowl alignment and it's traditional whatever. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.720 Those two have always sort of been paired together almost 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.600 like the SEC and ACC with their traditional rivalries whatever. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.079 When the Big twelve goes to the or if they 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.840 go to the PAC twelve Big ten side, there is 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.400 that majority, and then all of a sudden, it's like 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:38.960 you're in the minority for playing a season. And you 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:43.960 would think, okay, is there a monolith of medical advice 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.880 that is being given to the Power five conferences? There 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:48.959 is not. There is medical advice given to the PAC 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:50.920 twelve and given to the Big ten, and you know 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:56.440 there's everybody has their team of advisors and the whole 0:12:56.440 --> 0:13:00.960 industry of medicine, epidemiology, virology, whatever, that's all not a monolith. 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:05.200 There are differing opinions, and so the SEC hears what 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.680 everybody wants to hear, which is, yeah, you can play. 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.240 It's fine, you got to take precautions, but it should 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.680 be all right, it's worth it. The ACC apparently I 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.480 saw a connection to Duke, has been hearing the same things, 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:18.959 and so they're going with that. If you read it all. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.240 The PAC twelve released their medical advice, the summary of 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.439 the medical advice that they've been receiving. It's the myocar 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:30.000 I'm gonna get this wrong, it's myocarditis tie something like that. Yes, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.120 it's the sort of long lasting cardiac situation that can 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.800 occur in the body after coronavirus. And it's really scary. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.120 And I saw the Big Ten said that ten players, 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.480 I don't want to be quoted, it's ten players or 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:46.600 ten student athletes overall have been diagnosed with it. That's 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.880 super duper scary. So there is an optics element of 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.120 if something goes really wrong, the SEC decides to play, 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.760 or if the Big ten had decided to play, if 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:00.440 something goes wrong, let's say, you know, God forbid people 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.640 get sick, and now the number of people have hospitalized 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.720 the worst that you know, we have deaths in college football. 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.160 The fact is every single medical expert quote unquote medical 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:12.760 expert is saying there's a pretty big risk here in 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.719 playing college football. And some say it's worth it, some 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.440 say it's not. But the optics are out there. The 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.360 optics would be out there of oh, the SEC decided 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.640 it was worth the risk. And here's what happened. We've 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:27.480 seen deaths across college football and schools get hammered for negligence. 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.240 And now on this scale, if a conference is willing 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.560 to play, and here's the sort of absurd part of 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.720 my brain, what does everything always come back to in 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:42.480 college football? Money, money, and recruiting. And you're going to 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.560 have schools if it's the SEC, if it's the Big Twelve, 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.800 it's like big the Big Twelve. This conference is built 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:53.320 with schools, right that don't care about your kid's health. 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.920 The optics are disastrous if something horrible happens because of 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.360 everything that's going on here. Now you have liability. You 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.760 have this sort of false sense of like, oh, let 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.720 players sign waivers that they're willing to play. That I 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.000 mean it's never going to hold up in court, and 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.960 it's kind of not kind of it's pretty damn ghoulish 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.920 to begin with to have players sign that. So I 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.040 get all of this from the PAC twelve and Big 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.440 ten standpoint of like maybe in their hearts they believe, 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.080 you know what, it's probably fine, but they're not in 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:24.760 the probably fine business. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:26.920 Well that's it. This is going to happen all over 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.080 college football. And the reason this is happening is because 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:36.840 of liability, because of inconsistent protocols, ultimately because of the virus. Right, 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:42.760 And I just think we're going to see a similar tune, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.760 you know, all throughout. I will address the one thing 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:50.240 that you did allude to, the popular internet theory that 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:51.800 this is all the media's fault. 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.320 Yeah, I mean, that's sort of a straw man among 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:56.240 our dumbest ty. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.880 It doesn't make any sense because without a season, a 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:01.560 lot of folks in the media are going to be 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.200 losing their jobs. Right Like do folks in the profession 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:06.760 sometimes have an agenda? 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.800 Shore of course all the time. Yeah. In this case, though, 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:12.280 you should blame. 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.040 The virus if you don't like the news, because I 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.640 guarantee you that like Pete Fammel ain't working that beat 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.320 for Yahoo Sports making this stuff up because he's going 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.520 to get a bonus if the season gets nuked. That's 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.880 not the way this works. This is already an industry 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.560 that is sort of teetering on the brink. So you know, 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.800 just a lot of pressure points here being pushed upon 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.520 as we now start talking about season cancelations and liabilities 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:37.680 and whatnot is crazy. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.720 Yeah, And I would also add the liability thing is 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.920 interesting because a lot of people say, like, you can 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.400 play the season because this is all you have to do. 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.600 You test three times a week. This is how you 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.400 distant student athletes from the rest of the campus population, 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.880 this is how you travel is Those are all great points. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.520 I'm not sure those points in terms of rapid response 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.840 testing and isolation and what do you do with four 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.440 players or eleven players or twenty six players or three 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.280 coaches whatever, that's not a reality that we exist within 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.600 where we know those answers or we have that sort 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:17.360 of the money, the capability, the lack of backlog for testing. 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:22.520 The ideal world of how to play sports, it seems 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.560 like it exists with the NBA, right It seems like 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.800 they've done a good enough job. There are fifteen players 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.440 on a team, plus support staff far less than exist. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.320 This is nothing. Everybody listening, it's nothing they don't know, 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:38.879 but the reality of playing under these circumstances. For if 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.760 it's financial, if it's just a resource a manpower thing, 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:49.000 it doesn't align with what's actually happening. So I get it. 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.760 I get that, Okay, there's a standard. We can't meet 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.520 that standard. Why are we pretending? Why are we going 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:55.199 through the motions? 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:55.560 And it's a. 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.159 Bummer that we saw schedules and I know all these 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.719 conferences qualified. We're hoping, but there's a chance it might 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.719 not happen. I understand all of that, but man, it's 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.239 it's just your ideal world. And I obviously now I'm 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:09.879 speaking to a straw man, but this is this is 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.880 a common conversation I've heard among people I respect and 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.440 you know, value their opinion within college football media or 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:21.880 just the media at large. It doesn't align ty And 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.080 you saw that in the PAC twelve report that you know, 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.520 they're really hopeful that we improve to that point by 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.760 the spring that we are able to sort of build 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.119 a season out of nothing, almost like I think this 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:34.960 is where you live, right, The Amish can like build 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.960 a barn in like two seconds, like the teamwork to 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.520 get everything together, boom bang, like a pop up season. 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:43.800 I love I love Amash Barnes. I don't know, yea, 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.520 it is a furniture thing too, right, They apparently have 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:48.320 amazing furniture a country. 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.639 My my dining room table is an Amish there you go, 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:52.080 so table. 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.440 There is that hope that we get there. I don't 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.919 know if there is a specific reason to believe we 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.959 are trending in that direction, given where we've been these 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.680 past few months, but I don't see it. I don't 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:06.920 see it. I like going with trends, I like going 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.160 with you giving benefit of the doubt to the people 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:10.879 who've earned it. And I just don't see it. 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:16.240 Well, so let's address that spring season is something that again, 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:20.280 we first I think, mentioned to each other when Chris 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:24.760 Fowler mentioned it on his Instagram live feed right months ago, 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.000 that this is a possibility, and I heard it and 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.520 I said, oh, okay, that's interesting. It's a novel, a 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.960 novel solution here if you want to call it. That. 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:39.000 We're here now. We had talked about it all throughout 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.879 our off season, episodes over the last couple months. Remember 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.080 we had Pete Sampson on the show talking all things 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.719 Notre Dame. He mentioned that he was hearing a lot 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:51.240 about the spring season. It depends he talked to a 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:52.879 lot of folks out there right now. I think are 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.439 very like minded, Dan, They're kind of subscribing to your 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:59.520 school thought that it doesn't seem like it's practical. I 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.640 think you. I'm at it from the perspective of, well, 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.200 the virus it's still going to be a thing comes 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.960 spring six seven months from now. Testing vaccines like may 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:11.760 not be where they need to be in order to 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:13.560 actually make this thing go off. And I think that's 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:18.960 a reasonable position. There are others who cite a different 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.760 dimension of player safety, and they talk about playing two 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.919 seasons in one calendar year. The body needs time to recuperate. 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.680 Surely you've heard this argument as well. Rhys Davis went 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:32.880 on a rant on ESPN earlier after this announcement. Yeah, 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.560 roll Tide talking about this very thing, So I understand 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:37.480 that perspective too. 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:42.080 I talks about it network, Yeah, talking about how he 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:46.320 would advise seniors or anybody with reasonable draft aspirations to 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.040 fully skip a spring season and not risk it for 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:49.800 your future. 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.399 And I get that too. I totally get it. I 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.840 think if we get a spring season, it's probably like 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.800 a diet coke version of the normal only bangers Only 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.240 you're going to have guys bolting for the NFL. I 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:06.160 get it. What I would posit is that there is 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:09.240 still a lot of money on the line. To your 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:13.840 previous point, follow the money in college football, there is 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.720 so much money on the line, and already a lot 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.720 of it is going to be lost just because the 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.560 fall season is not going to be a reality. I 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.440 guarantee you there are plenty of local businesses. There are 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:28.399 certainly networks like esper N, there are institutions that are 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.760 looking to recoup as much as possible before the end 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:35.680 of this academic year. So I just find it hard 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:39.199 to believe that if the situation has improved to the 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:43.200 point where cases aren't spiking in some locations around the country, 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.040