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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal hull.

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Speaker 2: That for me, I'm a man, I'm for I've heard

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Speaker 2: so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day? Edith state

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Speaker 2: is that woo woom?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye welcome back to the Solid Verbal

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Speaker 1: boys and girls. My name is ty Hildenbrandt, joining me

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Speaker 1: as always somewhere over there, the one and only Dan Rubinstein, Sir,

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Speaker 1: how you doing today?

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Speaker 2: That's a good way of describing where I am, both

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Speaker 2: emotionally and physically. I am. I'm pretty good all things considered.

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Speaker 2: My life is okay, but I am my college football

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Speaker 2: heart is pretty sad considering the day's news. So I

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Speaker 2: want to talk this through with nobody but you, Tyler.

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Speaker 1: And likewise, mister Rubinstein. As you said, we broadcast with

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Speaker 1: heavy hearts today. We'll get into that in much much more.

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Speaker 1: You can always reach out and let us know what's

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Speaker 1: on your mind. Soliverbal at gmail dot com. You can

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Speaker 1: also go to our website, Solid verbal dot com. There

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Speaker 1: Instagram or on Facebook. We also do have a subreddit,

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Speaker 1: which I would imagine is going to be teaming with

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Speaker 1: opinions about not only what's going to go down this season,

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Speaker 1: but what's going to go down on this podcast? Dan,

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Speaker 1: just so many questions.

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Speaker 2: Well, is there podcast drama?

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Speaker 1: I suppose there could be, I guess we'll say, not

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Speaker 1: that I know of yet, But okay, there's always time,

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Speaker 1: And of course subscribe to the show out on Spotify

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Speaker 1: and Apple on Google. We will be podcasting for the

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Speaker 1: I don't know, foreseeable future. I can't imagine why we wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: There's so much to talk about here, Dan.

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Speaker 2: Correct, we have no end date. We are going through

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Speaker 2: no matter what does or does not happen, we will

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Speaker 2: continue this show because it is our happy place.

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Speaker 1: Four oh eight verbal one is also the reverbal four

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Speaker 1: oh eight eight three seven two two five one. We

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Speaker 1: cut a deal with the phone company to open the

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Speaker 1: that we're going to get a lot of interesting fan

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Speaker 1: reaction for ballers out there need some cathartic experience to

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Speaker 1: you know, heal from some of what we found out

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Speaker 1: today and some we're going to talk through tonight. Dan,

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Speaker 1: let's just let's let's jump right in.

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Speaker 2: We do have braaking.

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Speaker 1: News, Oh bop bope, two really big catty cosmic announcements

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Speaker 1: in the world of college football. You know where this

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Speaker 1: is going. We talked about this as a possibility. I

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Speaker 1: think to some extent we expected. It doesn't come as

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Speaker 1: It hurts as a huge college football fan, as someone

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Speaker 1: The Big Ten announced earlier today that it is now

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Speaker 1: officially postponing the fall season. Remember, we heard rumors about

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Speaker 1: of all all of that, Dan, I guess what matters

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Speaker 1: We have three other power conferences. We have three of

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Speaker 2: seems like it's been a long time coming that we've

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make the landing any softer when it becomes official.

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Speaker 2: It hurts all the same because this is what we

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Speaker 2: we I mean, you went to a Big Ten school.

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Speaker 2: But there's sort of an expected hollowness to today, which

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Speaker 1: I think back to one of the live streams we

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Speaker 2: There is that hope that we get there. I don't

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Speaker 1: Well, so let's address that spring season is something that again,

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Speaker 2: are still going to play in the spring if everything

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Speaker 2: goes off all right in the fall. There are so

435
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Speaker 2: many moving pieces where it's hard to even consider college

436
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 2: football like this standalone entity. So now we're split into

437
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Speaker 2: these five Power five factions plus some G five conferences

438
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Speaker 2: who as of this time, have not announced anything in

439
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Speaker 2: terms of cancelation. I just you have to have so

440
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Speaker 2: much organization, and you have to have the surrounding situation

441
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: be so much better. And whether it's a vaccine, whether

442
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 2: it's people really taking things a lot more seriously from

443
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Speaker 2: the top down than they have these past few months,

444
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Speaker 2: maybe maybe tie, But I think people are I think

445
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: the people with the power are going to say, especially

446
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: and this is a tentacle we haven't really discussed yet,

447
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Speaker 2: especially with the looming question and issue of player empowerment

448
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: and amateurism and assuming a lot more risk. And I

449
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Speaker 2: know people are also quick, Oh this is my strawman argument.

450
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Speaker 2: People are quick to point out, well, this is an

451
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Speaker 2: age group. These are young, strong, young men who are

452
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Speaker 2: not affected in the way that perhaps older, more immunal

453
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Speaker 2: compromise people are affected. Well, if you are to believe

454
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Speaker 2: the PAC twelve Medical Advisory Board, that's not fully true.

455
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Speaker 2: In any case, they're assuming more risk, and scholarships have value,

456
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Speaker 2: room and board, cost of living, all these things have value,

457
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Speaker 2: cost of attendance, they all have value assuming more risk

458
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Speaker 2: than usual, which is irrefutable for no more reward and

459
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 2: a pretty when you see coaches and athletic directors talking

460
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Speaker 2: about how big of a financial hit they're going to

461
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Speaker 2: take in the context of why they really have to

462
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Speaker 2: see if they should they should be playing football. I

463
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Speaker 2: think what Scott Frost said, Nebraska might be in the

464
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Speaker 2: hole between eighty and one hundred and twenty million dollars

465
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Speaker 2: if there's no football season. When we see those statements,

466
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Speaker 2: it is eye opening to the players. If you see,

467
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Speaker 2: you know, the Big twelve United are Big ten United,

468
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Speaker 2: PAC twelve United, and the Power five United, it's become

469
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Speaker 2: clear that like we don't have any we don't have

470
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Speaker 2: any say in this. We don't have any say in

471
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Speaker 2: this at all. And so what have we learned about

472
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: conference commissioners and those in power? They like kicking the

473
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Speaker 2: can where tie as far down the road as possible,

474
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Speaker 2: as far down the road as possible, And that is

475
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Speaker 2: not spring. It just isn't. To me.

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Speaker 1: The one caveat there is I think the way the

477
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Speaker 1: players have united, and that the voice behind the player movement,

478
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Speaker 1: led by the likes of Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields,

479
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Speaker 1: whether they intended to or not, they've become the face

480
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Speaker 1: of this. I think that in and of itself will

481
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Speaker 1: have a real lasting impact on college football. We talk

482
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Speaker 1: a lot about well, what's going to be the takeaway

483
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Speaker 1: after all this is said and done. My guess is

484
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Speaker 1: that the players finding their collective voice is going to

485
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Speaker 1: have a pretty outsized impact moving forward. This truly has

486
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Speaker 1: highlighted a number of faults in the system, and so,

487
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Speaker 1: you know, how does that relate to spring, How does

488
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Speaker 1: that relate to player safety? Potentially with playing two seasons

489
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Speaker 1: in one calendar year. You know, we'll see which direction

490
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Speaker 1: this movement goes from here. But my hunch and assumption

491
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Speaker 1: is that we have not heard the last of it.

492
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Speaker 1: These are not topics that are going away, nor, by

493
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Speaker 1: the way, are any of the other items here that

494
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence tweeted out that was retweeted by the President. Right,

495
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Speaker 1: we want to play football this season. That's still going

496
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Speaker 1: to be true in spring. Maybe not if you're an

497
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Speaker 1: NFL prospect, but.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe not for Trevor Lawrence.

499
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Speaker 1: But yeah, establish universal mandated health and safety procedures and

500
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Speaker 1: protocols to protect college athletes against COVID nineteen among all

501
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Speaker 1: conferences throughout the NCAA. Seems like that's still going to

502
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Speaker 1: be true. Yeah, give players the opportunity to opt out

503
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Speaker 1: and respect their decision, going to be true. Guarantee eligibility

504
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Speaker 1: whether a player chooses to play the season or not.

505
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Speaker 1: I already mentioned the association bit. I think all of

506
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Speaker 1: these important topics are going to persist, whether we have

507
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Speaker 1: a season in the spring of twenty twenty one, the

508
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Speaker 1: fall of twenty twenty one, or if we got to

509
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Speaker 1: wait till twenty twenty two. Like, this stuff is not

510
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Speaker 1: going away, Dan.

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Speaker 2: No, And by the way, I did see just with

512
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Speaker 2: regard to what you just mentioned in terms of the

513
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Speaker 2: asks from the we are united. Ohio State has done

514
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Speaker 2: a really good job. They came out and talked about

515
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Speaker 2: the protocols that they've had for student athletes and football players.

516
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Speaker 2: Those are staying in place that you know, access to

517
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Speaker 2: tutoring and dorms and all that is staying in place

518
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Speaker 2: because there was that concern that a college campus or

519
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 2: the specific kind of college experience that major college football

520
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: players have is better and more structure than what they

521
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Speaker 2: would be experiencing if they were going home. So the

522
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Speaker 2: thing I'd really like to see if the health and

523
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Speaker 2: safety of college athletes, specific to football players on this show,

524
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Speaker 2: but in general college athletes, if that's so important that

525
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: we cannot play, we cannot risk things. They have to

526
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Speaker 2: go so far above and beyond on campus to ensure

527
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Speaker 2: that this continues. Because you can't out of one side

528
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Speaker 2: of your mouth say we're looking out for the health

529
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Speaker 2: and safety contact sport. It's too important for these guys.

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Speaker 2: We're looking after them. We got to do what's in

531
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Speaker 2: the best interest of them and then send them home.

532
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Speaker 2: You have to take steps to make sure on campus,

533
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Speaker 2: off campus, whatever there is structure there is. You know,

534
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Speaker 2: maybe it's more of a spring football situation where there's

535
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Speaker 2: practices and scrimmages within everybody, and that there is contact

536
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: tracing and reasonable bubbles, but those bubbles are probably going

537
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Speaker 2: to be popped to whatever extent, But that steps are

538
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Speaker 2: being taken to maximize the health and well being of

539
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Speaker 2: college athletes, not just when there is a season, but

540
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Speaker 2: also when the season is canceled. That's what I'd like

541
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Speaker 2: to see, because it's a total garbage move. If all

542
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Speaker 2: of the Sudden Cal athletes are just sent home, or

543
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Speaker 2: Minnesota athletes are sent home, Penn State athletes are sent home,

544
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Speaker 2: you're not looking after them. Then you're really not doing

545
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Speaker 2: them a service by saying you can't play. But also,

546
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Speaker 2: you know now our hands are cleaned, see you next year.

547
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Speaker 2: That's just garbage, I think I agree.

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Speaker 1: I would ask that folks out there right in Solidverbo

549
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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com, let us know what your thoughts

550
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: are now that the season for at least the Big

551
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: Ten and Pac twelve is done. So let's play it

552
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Speaker 1: subject a little humor here do you think will happen

553
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: with the other conferences? What do you think should happen

554
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: in the world of college football? How do you feel

555
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: about a spring season? You can either email US sliverbalotgmail

556
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Speaker 1: dot com. You can call in for a weight verbal one.

557
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Speaker 1: We're going to open the reverbal line here because yeah,

558
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Speaker 1: not sure when we'll open it next.

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Speaker 2: I think they are all wanting to play, like they're

560
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: not wanting to play in a certain way, like we

561
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: will play. This protocol has met this protocols, they'll want

562
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Speaker 2: to play. They all intend to play at six pm

563
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Speaker 2: Central time on Tuesday, what's the eleventh of August. Yes,

564
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Speaker 2: there there are going to be certain things at play.

565
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Speaker 2: There are going to be certain optics at play where

566
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Speaker 2: if all of a sudden, there's an outbreak at a

567
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Speaker 2: fall camp at I'm just making this up TCU or

568
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: NC state, that's like a serious, serious, thirty four players

569
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Speaker 2: kind of thing, then it becomes very very difficult. I

570
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: don't think they're going to push through through a nightmare scenario.

571
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Speaker 1: I really don't.

572
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Speaker 2: I think there is going to be a tipping point.

573
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: They're not going to push through no matter what. But

574
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Speaker 2: I believe all three are going to try to play. Ultimately.

575
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Speaker 2: I think something's going to happen in one of those

576
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Speaker 2: conferences that's going to tip it in the Big ten

577
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Speaker 2: or Pac twelve's direction. That's my guess. Total guests.

578
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Speaker 1: We should also add here, not to be outdone, the

579
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Speaker 1: Mountain West canceled their fall season. We saw separate announcements

580
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Speaker 1: from UMass and Old Dominion, both of which have canceled

581
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Speaker 1: their fall season. They're going to explore the season in

582
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Speaker 1: the spring quote if feasible. This has been a recurring theme.

583
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Speaker 1: We've talked about the trickle up effect on this show

584
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Speaker 1: ever since the Ivy League announced its intentions. We have

585
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Speaker 1: seen that filter its way back up to the Power

586
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Speaker 1: five ranks now with the Big Ten making its announcement.

587
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Speaker 1: For those wondering, the Big Ten is significant because the

588
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Speaker 1: Big Ten is literally the richest conference, It's the richest

589
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Speaker 1: in terms of money. For them to come out and

590
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Speaker 1: announce first, it definitely lays down a marker.

591
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Speaker 2: Can we and I'm sort of putting you on the

592
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Speaker 2: spot here because it's not like we prep this at all,

593
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Speaker 2: But it's one of those things where I really haven't

594
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Speaker 2: fully unpacked I haven't parted the information kimono here on

595
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: this yet, but can we talk briefly about what we

596
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: now won't have? Is that too depressing right now? In

597
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: terms of like team by team storyline, player interesting new pathway,

598
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Speaker 2: like I was specifically looking forward to Joe Morehead running

599
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Speaker 2: an Oregon offense. Joe Moorehead moved his family from Mississippi

600
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Speaker 2: to Eugene, Oregon to coach Oregon this fall. I don't

601
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Speaker 2: get to see that. As an Oregon fan. I don't

602
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Speaker 2: get to see the maybe most talented, most dangerous looking

603
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Speaker 2: Oregon defense of the modern era. That's a bumber to

604
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Speaker 2: me as an Oregon fan, and I guess for people

605
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Speaker 2: that are moderately interested in college football nationally, don't get

606
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: to see the first year of Jimmy Lake in Seattle

607
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Speaker 2: taking over for Chris Peter. Don't get to see Nick Rolovich,

608
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Speaker 2: although that might be okay, it's okay. Don't get to

609
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: see Jonathan Smith and Oregon State's improvement and building a nice,

610
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Speaker 2: interesting defense. Your guy Chase Garber is at CAL. We

611
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Speaker 2: don't get to see year two of Keaton slovas a

612
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: potential Heisman candidate at USC, year two of Jaden Daniels

613
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Speaker 2: at ASU. We don't get to see how Utah reloads

614
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Speaker 2: after a pretty fantastic twenty nineteen in the Big Ten.

615
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons had already opted out, but that Penn State

616
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: team in terms of what they are returning on both

617
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Speaker 2: sides of the ball. Pretty loaded, right.

618
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Speaker 1: Pretty loaded. I think Justin Fields is a goner.

619
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, we've seen the last of Justin

620
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Speaker 2: Fields in Ohio State uniform. Unless I mean that could

621
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Speaker 2: be like a I'm trying to think of recently at

622
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Speaker 2: Tebow Mariota. I mean, Tibo didn't have the NFL prospect situation.

623
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Speaker 2: You know, Matt Barkley returned after thinking I can't.

624
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Speaker 1: I can't hard to see a situation in which Justin

625
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Speaker 1: Fields is going to be back in Columbus. I think

626
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: he's in effect a pro football player this day forward.

627
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: You know, we already saw the likes over Shan Bateman

628
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Speaker 1: in the Big Ten. Declare ron Dale Moore declared shortly

629
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Speaker 1: after we hit the stop button, I think on our

630
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Speaker 1: last podcast. So some of these big names that have

631
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: an NFL future, we've certainly seen the last of them.

632
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Speaker 2: But you know, just a lot of Raka running the

633
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Speaker 2: Penn State offense. Kurt t I Roka.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say a lot of lingering questions

635
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Speaker 1: around some of those top teams in the Big Ten.

636
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Speaker 1: You know, we have a lot of fun talking about

637
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: the Michigan Wolverines and ribbing at fans a little bit,

638
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: but genuine curiosity over here around what that team was

639
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: going to look like a different quarterback and you know

640
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: some of the changes I know that they were making.

641
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: So it's Mel Tucker at State, Mel Talker team in

642
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: year one. Yeah, just it sucks, and you know, nobody

643
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: telling Nebraska. I think Nebraska still thinks it might be

644
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: able to play and if they can find a way

645
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: to do it safely, then Winnipeg Blue Bombers, more power

646
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: to Saskatchewan Roughriders, BC Lions, Tron Argos, Nebraska carn a

647
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: lot of questions that we had I think started to

648
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: prepare in advance of the Big Ten previous show.

649
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Nebraska themselves. They hired they hired a

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Speaker 2: new offensive coordinator in Matt Lubick, who had coached with

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Speaker 2: Scott frosted Oregon really successfully. That would have been interesting

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Speaker 2: to see if they took a were to take a

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Speaker 2: step forward on offense. I mean across the Big Ten.

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Speaker 2: I mean Wisconsin, you know who replaces Jonathan Taylor? What

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Speaker 2: is that? And I mean we know what that offense

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Speaker 2: would have looked like. But you know, does Northwestern bounce

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Speaker 2: back with an okay offense. Maybe probably it's a bummer

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Speaker 2: because we really didn't begin to think about what interested

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Speaker 2: us about the twenty twenty Big twelve or Big ten

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Speaker 2: in Pact twelve seasons. But now that even just on

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Speaker 2: this show, reflecting on what is just vanishing into thin air,

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Speaker 2: I'm even sadder, and I'm sorry I brought it up.

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Speaker 2: I really am, like there are just there are too

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Speaker 2: many who starts at quarterback from Maryland. Josh Jackson opted

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Speaker 2: out right correct and Talia Tungovailoa was given immediate eligibility.

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Speaker 2: What does Greg Schiano's returned to Rutgers look like. I

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Speaker 2: know Rutgers has been a particularly bad situation for public

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Speaker 2: health recently, but you know, brought in a bunch of

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Speaker 2: big name transfers Michigan, Ohio State guys could have been

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Speaker 2: a little spicy by the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: It's tough, yeah, and you look around college football. I

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Speaker 1: had some time on my hands this afternoon. I watched

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Speaker 1: some of the ESPN coverage. I think Kirk Curve Street

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Speaker 1: and Rhys Davis everyone that they had on brought up

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Speaker 1: really good points. You know, nobody was arguing necessarily for

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Speaker 1: or against this decision, just talking about what it means

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Speaker 1: in context. And my guess is that we're going to

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Speaker 1: have a lot of time to reflect on exactly what

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Speaker 1: it means to us because there is likely more of

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Speaker 1: this to come. Hope I'm wrong, likely more of this

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Speaker 1: to come.

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Speaker 2: I just thought about a fall without Michael Conningham hurtsty

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Speaker 2: but I get it all right, So more to come.

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Speaker 2: We are back later in the week, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know that we'll have good news, but I think we'll

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Speaker 2: have some kind of news, and I think we'll have

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Speaker 2: more clarity, which is at least a positive sort of

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Speaker 2: silver lining type situation in a tie. I had to

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Speaker 2: live through a dad itcha the other day. Do you

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Speaker 2: know what that is? In line? Thunderstorm? Yeah, Midwest is different, man.

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Speaker 2: When we were out in California Jodie with an, I

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Speaker 2: was like, do you guys have summer storms? Is that like?

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Speaker 2: When does that happen?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Uh eighty three? And Sonny, my friend, that's what it's

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Speaker 2: like every day. So I experienced the first one of

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Speaker 2: those and it was it was fine. Somebody asked me,

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Speaker 2: a friend of mine in California, when I said that

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Speaker 2: we got a tornado warning. He was like, oh, you

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Speaker 2: go down to the basement. And I asked my wife

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Speaker 2: and she's like, now, you don't go to the baby.

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Speaker 2: If you hear sirens, if your alarms, then you go

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Speaker 2: to the basement. Apparently, so that's all new to me.

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Speaker 2: So Midwesterners, let me know how to proceed with weather

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Speaker 2: situations in the late summer, fall and winter, because it's

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Speaker 2: apparently different. The lake effect is a thing that I

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Speaker 2: have never been used to. Hey, not just Midwest things,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, it has been twelve years since, Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: want to get sentimental, twelve.

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Speaker 1: Years since I last had a Saturday in the fall

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Speaker 1: where I could like go out and do normal stuff

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Speaker 1: without having one eye glued to the TV.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to miss those text messages of like

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Speaker 2: I'm at my cousin's baptism, I'm sneaking the Michigan State

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Speaker 2: Michigan game underneath a pew. What am I missing? I'm

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Speaker 2: on a delay here? What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Those were good texts.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to have to take up golf or something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're getting in shape, That's what I've been tweet and

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Speaker 2: Shaman Tai do you not getting Yeah, you're getting cartoonishly yoked. Okay,

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Speaker 2: do you have given your physical limitations? I want to

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Speaker 2: end the show on a happy note. Do you have

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Speaker 2: a an area for improvement that you'd like to target

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Speaker 2: this fall.

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Speaker 1: An area for improvement?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You want to look at you want to work

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Speaker 2: on your arms? You want legs, you want core? Do

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Speaker 2: you want stamina? Do you want high end speed? What

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Speaker 2: do you look into?

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Speaker 1: A well? Who doesn't want high end speed? But I

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Speaker 1: would say I would like to do some flexibility training. Okay. Pliometrics, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean if that's what that is, but something some

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Speaker 1: sort of flexibility training I think would go a long way.

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Speaker 2: How are you with yoga?

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Speaker 1: Oh god, no, no, I've never done yoga, probably for

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Speaker 1: good reason.

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Speaker 2: All right. Pliometrics are maximum force in short intervals.

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Speaker 1: That's a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: It's increasing power, speed, strength. Okay, flexibility you would do

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Speaker 2: good with Yoga's great?

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're gonna have time.

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Speaker 2: I'd like just this, aren't we And we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: plenty of plenty of time. I'd like to get back

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Speaker 2: out on the tennis court. That's that's a specific thing

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Speaker 2: because it's a really good, socially distant sport. Tie sure,

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Speaker 2: and I know a couple of tennis players out here,

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Speaker 2: So that's what I'm aiming to do. But I guess

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to go inside at a certain point

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Speaker 2: in tennis there. But that's my goal. That's my goal,

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Speaker 2: get back on the tennis court. I have some some

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Speaker 2: respecs I've been.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you do.

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Speaker 2: I've been itching to throw on. Ready, we're talking about

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Speaker 2: a high level high school player here, ty, come on,

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Speaker 2: it's true, all right, that's all I.

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Speaker 1: Have solid verbal at gmail dot com. Don't forget to

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Speaker 1: write in. Let us know your thoughts on the matter.

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Speaker 1: More to come, I would expect, So keep that email

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Speaker 1: address handy. Also keep four oh eight verbal one in

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Speaker 1: your speed dial. That's four oh eight eight three seven

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Speaker 1: two two five one. Give us a hollower. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: cut all those up. We'll play them on our Thursday show,

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Speaker 1: and we'll continue to use the reverblind wherever possible. Now

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Speaker 1: that we're all kind of going through this together, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you downloading the show. If you haven't already subscribed,

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Speaker 1: please do so out on Spotify, on Apple, on Google.

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Speaker 1: Leave us a review if you like the show. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: we don't know what this means for us, just in

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Speaker 1: terms of a recording schedule. We do know that we're

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Speaker 1: going to continue recording for the foreseeable future. We have

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Speaker 1: no reason not to. This is cathartic Dan, for me,

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Speaker 1: cathartic for you. We need to talk to each other

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Speaker 1: at least once a week, at.

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Speaker 2: Least starting next week washed Wednesdays. Tips for the person

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Speaker 2: growing older and more tired constantly.

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Speaker 1: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: For myself, Tie Hildebrand, thanks again for downloading the show.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to.

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Speaker 1: You in a few days. In the meantime, stay safe,

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Speaker 1: stay solid, Peace,