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Speaker 1: First of all, Man, we appreciate you coming on the

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Speaker 1: show rocking with us.

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Speaker 2: Man. We go way way back.

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Speaker 1: Like every time I think of you, I just think

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Speaker 1: about Man, our first year in the league, first time

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Speaker 1: in Phoenix. Man, you're giving us the opportunity to come

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Speaker 1: bring us to the crib, Man, just kind of show

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Speaker 1: us the NBA lifestyle and just how it was.

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Speaker 2: Man. And I always cherished that moment, Man, because that.

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Speaker 1: Was a big moment for me and Q to just

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Speaker 1: see the crib and you know, running to bow at.

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Speaker 2: The curb and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Man, Just how you embraced us from the door.

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Speaker 2: Man. I always appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: I always had a high regard from you since then, Man,

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Speaker 1: and been a big fan of yours. But we definitely

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Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on the show with us.

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Speaker 4: No, I appreciate y'all Man, honestly huge fans. When y'all

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Speaker 4: boys came in, y'all came in and kicked the door open.

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Speaker 2: Though.

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Speaker 4: That's what I was loving because y'all w wasn't scared

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Speaker 4: of nothing. Y'all was balling and it was crazy.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: Y'all had it going Man, so to do that was

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Speaker 4: just something bit showing respect of how I felt about

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Speaker 4: y'all in y'all game at the time.

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Speaker 2: For sure, Man appreciated, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league, who's the first

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Speaker 1: person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Let's see we're talking about in practice first, we wasn't

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Speaker 4: nobody in practice. Let's see who we're playing preseason? Probably

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Speaker 4: Tim Hardaway. Tim Hardaway, I think we played them in preseason.

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Speaker 4: And you know it might have been Tim if if

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking correctly, because he was he was nasty. You

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Speaker 4: already know q Rich already know man, Tim was hard Man,

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Speaker 4: hard nose.

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Speaker 2: I know you was talking trash, yo.

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Speaker 4: He ain't gonna stop talking and he's gonna be getting

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Speaker 4: it in to get it done for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yo yo yo.

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Speaker 5: We live on location, me and the blackest one sitting

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Speaker 5: here in our houses in city beautiful Orlando, Floyd, and

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Speaker 5: we got one of the finest to come through Orlando.

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Speaker 5: We got missed the Penny hard Away, multiple time All Star,

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Speaker 5: Memphis legend, NBA legend.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm coaching at the University of Memphis. Penny. We

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Speaker 2: appreciate you pulling up big dog, my man.

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Speaker 4: You know I love y'all. Man appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Memphis, Tennessee. Growing up in Memphis.

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Speaker 1: Who put the ball in your hand to start you

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Speaker 4: You know what's so crazy? The hood pretty much put

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Speaker 4: the ball in my hands. I moved with my grandmother

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Speaker 4: when my mom left. When I was like five years old.

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Speaker 4: We had a group of dudes in the neighborhood that

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Speaker 4: was like hooping and I came outside and they just

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Speaker 4: around the hood. They were just saying, hey, man, we're

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Speaker 4: gonna we're gonna have you, you know, start off ball handling,

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Speaker 4: that's what happened. Man. I just got blessed to be

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Speaker 3: Who did you see to make you kind of get

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Like, man, that's what I want to be when I

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Speaker 4: You know what's so weird about that? The miles I

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Speaker 4: didn't see nobody that made me feel like I needed

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Speaker 4: it was like God gifted me with that. It's like

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Speaker 4: I just started dribbling and I felt like as I

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Speaker 4: I was like, man, I got a gift. I knew earlier.

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Speaker 4: I was like something different about me with this basketball.

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Speaker 4: It's like God just gave me those abilities. So I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, at what point did you like transfer, you know,

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Speaker 5: your game from being in the hood and the one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when I was in the ninth grade is when

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Speaker 4: junior high. But it's like ninth grade is when I

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Speaker 4: I could see them playing against those other guards that

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Speaker 4: the Asian autrees and Derek felt all the big boys

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Speaker 2: How tall were you as a sophomore.

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Speaker 4: Then sophomore I was six seven, but he's so crazy.

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Speaker 4: Eighth grade I was five eleven, eighth grade I was eleven,

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Speaker 2: That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: And you having them growth sports like that.

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Speaker 1: That's what had you in point guard mode where you

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Speaker 4: Now, I was short my whole life, bro, Like I

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Speaker 4: what's so crazy? I didn't. You can't feel that spur.

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Speaker 4: You just wake up one morning, dog, It's like damn, like,

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Speaker 2: You?

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Speaker 4: Just everybody else looking at you? Like, Bro, you growing?

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Speaker 4: But I kept all those guard skills though I never

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Speaker 1: Did any coach try to take you off the point

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Speaker 4: You know, none of my coaches did that. Like my

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Speaker 4: then when I got taller, my my high school coach

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Speaker 5: There, because in my day a similar no doubt, yeah

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Speaker 5: he didn't do that.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you not to dribble the ball and all that.

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Speaker 1: When did you understand that your game was nationally known

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Speaker 1: like your peers and everybody started to notice this kid

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Speaker 3: The top players in the nation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we went to bow Williams. I'll never forget. I

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Speaker 4: we beat them in the championship game. And I went

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Speaker 4: they did it though, following like going against them and

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Speaker 4: He was at that game and after the game he said,

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Speaker 4: that bro, he was in that game right Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look look, look that was the reasonable doubt beings back then.

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Speaker 1: So playing in that and coming off of that tournament

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Speaker 2: H yeah.

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Speaker 4: It went from me being a guy that knew I

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Speaker 2: It went.

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Speaker 4: It went like none of y'all all, y'all in trouble,

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Speaker 4: Like I was nice with it. But then after that

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Speaker 2: That's crazy.

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Speaker 5: What was How was it coming back to the city

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Speaker 4: It was so crazy because ninth grade I started with

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Speaker 4: We need to get a two guard out here. Whoever

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Speaker 4: that's how it started starting. And the second half of

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I went to like we went to the

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Speaker 4: district championship, the regional championship, and I was killing and

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Speaker 4: getting off. They started calling me peewee and they was like,

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Speaker 4: who is that little dude? We call him? We gonna

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Speaker 4: call him pee wee because he out there killing. I

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Speaker 4: had the little baby face, real skinny, but they could

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Speaker 4: tell I had a nice game. I went from that

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Speaker 4: came back after that, and our local paper wrote up

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Speaker 4: that article and said I was the number one tenth grader.

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Speaker 4: And after that, man, every game I played from that

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Speaker 4: point on was standing room only.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy, Letty, that is insane.

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Speaker 5: How does it get to the point like once you

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Speaker 5: killing clearly killing the whole country, averaging like thirty six

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, could have been anybody else but Memphis

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Speaker 4: And the reason why is I played a AU with

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Speaker 5: You know, you all American and everything like that, recruited

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So what a lot of people don't know is

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't like I was a bad student. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, being from Shiraq, and he Saint Louis.

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Speaker 4: It was like in an old g Cherokee. I hopped out,

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Speaker 4: Balllet is like this rich ass neighborhood. And I knew

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Speaker 2: That is crazy. What was you thinking? Did you think

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Speaker 4: I know, because I couldn't step down on my foot.

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Speaker 4: we don't know if you're gonna ever be able to

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, God, please them, and I'm praying. I'm like, God,

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Speaker 4: come on. So my foot ended up healing better, but

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Speaker 4: But I was able to play. But when I first

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Speaker 2: So you made the Dean's List after being shot. You

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Speaker 5: Like like talk about that sophomore year, like you said,

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Speaker 4: When I got back, boy, I put them glasses on.

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Speaker 4: Mom started walking bow leg and Qritu on the campus

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Speaker 4: Then I'm like walking around the little honey's hollering at me.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, I see how this is now. Because

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Speaker 4: next year. I'm the kid. I'm on campus, y'all. Y'all

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Speaker 4: we went. We killed it because we were to the

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Speaker 4: The whole city went crazy. And then from that point on,

439
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,800
Speaker 4: it was like wherever we went, we was like rock stars. Man,

440
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 4: that that jump started off.

441
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,040
Speaker 5: Talk about when you got selected to that USA team,

442
00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,359
Speaker 5: that that team that got to go against the Dream Team.

443
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 2: We used see web mash. We didn't heard, we didn't

444
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,280
Speaker 2: have Mass talk about it. We didn't have g Hill

445
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:27,919
Speaker 2: talk about it.

446
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,120
Speaker 5: Well see well, yeah, tell us tell us about that

447
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 5: scrimmage against against the prowitch.

448
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

449
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 4: So so me and Ghill talk about this all the

450
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,920
Speaker 4: time when we see each other. You can't tell us

451
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,679
Speaker 4: we ain't have Michael on the floor. That's why y'all won.

452
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 4: You got Magic, you got all these Clyde Drexer, you

453
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,440
Speaker 4: got Scottie Pippen, you got all these dudes, right, these

454
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 4: are Hall of Famers, our idols. We had to go

455
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 4: at them. Y'all know what y'all would have did, come on,

456
00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 4: we would have been It was like that that. We

457
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 4: was like, hey, y'all, we were seven of us, Rodney

458
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,439
Speaker 4: Rodgers all. We was like, look, we're gonna go at

459
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 4: these dude because they're not gonna respect us if we don't.

460
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,440
Speaker 4: And once we got hot and started dunking that, jont

461
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 4: Seatwell was dunking that John, Bobby Hurley was Diamond Me

462
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 4: and Mash was rolling sea. Where was wrong Allen Houston?

463
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 4: And we was like, damn man, we just beat the

464
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,120
Speaker 4: dream Team. And then the next day they tell the referees.

465
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,959
Speaker 4: I know, they told the refereence y'all better not call

466
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 4: the fire. We're gonna beat the head. They came in

467
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 4: the next.

468
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 5: Day and they beat up.

469
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 4: Hey like something. That was like, bro, they was close,

470
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 4: and we was like, all right.

471
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 2: We don't wn't mean no harm. We're good.

472
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 4: We just want some respect us all were good, like yeah, yeah,

473
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 4: they was talking about well MJ. We sent m J

474
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 4: out and Birdy was over there laying down. You still

475
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,199
Speaker 4: got Chris Bullen, you got all these dudes. Man, come on, man,

476
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 4: give us a little credit and say they balled and

477
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 4: they shocked the hell out of us because we did.

478
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,040
Speaker 4: We shocked them dudes that we.

479
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 1: Like I said, when you first heard it, though, like

480
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: like when you first heard that they want you to

481
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: be part of selecteam with all the other top college

482
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: guys and like you, no disrespect to Memphis, but you

483
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: Memphis State. These guys are big times universities in the

484
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: sense of North Carolina. Duke Michigan Can and all that stuff.

485
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: How was that just just to hearing your name being

486
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: a part of that list, you know, your periods respecting

487
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: what you're doing down in MEPhI.

488
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I just basically man. First of all, my

489
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 4: grandmother was like a real Christian based woman, so she

490
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 4: always kept me in church and always kept me with

491
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 4: that you know, where your blessings come from. So when

492
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,439
Speaker 4: it first happened, I was like, thank you God, everything

493
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 4: about me is gonna be that first. Secondly, I was like,

494
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 4: you're taking care of your business. If you're being recognized,

495
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, You're being recognized. And that

496
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 4: was a true lesson role because I didn't take that

497
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 4: for granted. Man, to be a part of seven guys,

498
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 4: to go and play against the greatest players of all time,

499
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 4: like a couple of weeks in San Diego, California, Santa

500
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: Barbara area, and to be like in conversation with these dudes.

501
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 4: You know, we was going and mobbing out MJ Room,

502
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 4: Clyde Drexon Roo, We just busting in the room, like yo,

503
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 4: y'all ain't about to get rid of we coming to

504
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 4: kick it. We ain't coming up here just to be

505
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 4: on this coming here. They we won't shoot, let me

506
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 4: get them, let me get them. Yeah, I'm just saying

507
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 4: we were just being dude. That was just saying, hey, man,

508
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 4: we're around our idols. We're gonna hoop, but we're gonna

509
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 4: take all this in and I'm gonna tell you there

510
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 4: was another switch that went off my brain when I

511
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 4: got back from that and went back home, my game

512
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 4: went to another level because I was like, if I'm

513
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 4: going against Michael Jordan and Magic John, all these guys

514
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 4: and y'all dudes again, I pressed forward, man, because I

515
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 4: was like, I'm closer to my goal. It's almost here.

516
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you get You got the opportunity before you

517
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: even get drafted to be in a big time hoop movie, man, Like,

518
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: can you explain how did you get the opportunity to

519
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 1: even be in this movie? Like you're you know, well,

520
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: most of these opportunities to come to the guys that's

521
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: already in the NBA. They don't know what you're particularly

522
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: going to be in the NBA or even if you

523
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: go into the NBA before you to be in that

524
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: movie Blue Chips, which is one of my favorite movies.

525
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: So it was the process of how you got asked

526
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: to do that movie and what gave you the decision

527
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: to go ahead.

528
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: And do it again?

529
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 4: Like all three of us, God made room for They said,

530
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 4: God will make room for your gifts. God made room

531
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 4: for my gift through my hooping. And then director of

532
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 4: Blue Chips was like, I love his game and he

533
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 4: has a game. Because everything was real. Basketball wasn't no acting.

534
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 4: Only acting was my part of now you know when

535
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 4: my mom lose a house or job. But everything in

536
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 4: the hoop scene was real until I threw the live

537
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 4: the shock. That was the only thing that was scripted.

538
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 4: So they was like, we love his game. He still

539
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 4: looks very young, like he's in high school about to

540
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 4: go to college. So it ended up working out, and

541
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 4: I went out to rehearse and kind of interview with

542
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 4: the director and Nick no Ty and some guys that

543
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 4: were out in la Ain't kind of helped me go

544
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 4: over my script. Man, I can't remember this guy now here.

545
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 4: I can't remember his name, bro, but anyway, he knows

546
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 4: who he is. But he helped me on the strip.

547
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 4: And when I went out to l A, I went

548
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 4: and did the interview and did the little part with

549
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 4: Nick Norton and William Freaking the director, and they love

550
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 4: it and that was it.

551
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: Man.

552
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 4: But it was crazy being in La all summer doing

553
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 4: that movie.

554
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

555
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,719
Speaker 5: Could you ever have imagined that it was gonna become

556
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 5: like a cult classic the way it is and like

557
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 5: one of the you know, best hoop movies and all

558
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 5: of that of all time.

559
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 4: Could not have foreseen that. Just knew that I was

560
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 4: blessed enough to be in a movie. You know, we

561
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 4: we we hood babies, We're from the streets. We like

562
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 4: we get into it.

563
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 5: You know, come on movies, because you know, did a

564
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 5: couple movies. Got a little sad car. You know, we

565
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 5: walking around thought was real, real hollywoods.

566
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 2: I got a trailer like they got.

567
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 5: They got me a little costume and like close and

568
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 5: hey we out here, tell.

569
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: Us, uh tell us.

570
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: Like the first time you met Scheck on set was

571
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: the first time you met Shack the movie.

572
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 4: I met him before because back in the day, they

573
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 4: had this thing called the Olympic Festival. So the Olympic

574
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 4: Festival was north south east west teams in Minnesota, Minneapolis,

575
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 4: Minnesota for the summer, and men Shaq was on the

576
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 4: same team. Before I did the movie Blue chips. So

577
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: I played with him on that team that summer, and

578
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 4: then I saw him again. I saw him again doing

579
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: blue Chips. And I'm gonna tell y'all where I had

580
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 4: my strategy yet and Chris Webber didn't have a chance.

581
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 4: That's my dog. I had a strategy for Chris because

582
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 4: Chris wanted to be in Orlando. And that's my dog.

583
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 4: I say, you know what Chris is probably yeah, Michigan,

584
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 4: he fan fight. That's my dog. He a cold dude.

585
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 4: Him and Shack together, I don't know man that be

586
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 4: so dominant, But me and Shack together can be like

587
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 4: magic and Kareem. So when I went to the movie,

588
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 4: I took advantage of every single day, every time Shaq

589
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 4: raised his hand and the ball was coming, I ain't

590
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 4: take one shot. He wasn't even looking for it. I'm

591
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 4: talking about it. I passed on the ball. I didn't

592
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 4: take one shot the whole summer. Every time he held

593
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 4: his hand up, I threw it to him and rest

594
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 4: in peace. Petek Neule the big Man. Yeah, he said, Shaq,

595
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: can you imagine playing with that every night? And I

596
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: go back to the room like, yeah, I gotta keep

597
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 4: doing this. I gotta keep working on it. Every time

598
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 4: he'll tell you he never shot the ball. You damn right.

599
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 4: OU didn't shoot their ball because every time you read up,

600
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 4: I was missing him.

601
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: Bro.

602
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 4: I had to get it done, and I did. I

603
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 4: got it done.

604
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's just dope. So how many teams did

605
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: you work out to go in the draft?

606
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: I worked out with Golden State and I worked out

607
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 4: with Orlando. Those were the only two teams. Golden State

608
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 4: had number three, Philadelphia had two, and Orlando had one.

609
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 4: And the first time I went to Orlando, Shaq had

610
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 4: called him and told him, hey, man, get this dude

611
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 4: down there. No, they actually called me down there first.

612
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 4: That was the first time. And I went down there

613
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 4: and there was nobody at the airport to pick me up.

614
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 4: So it was one. There was one anchor dude. There

615
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 4: was one anchor dude down there to interview me. I

616
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 4: was like, man, who is this dude? I said, Ma, Bro,

617
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 4: nobody picked me up. Can you take me to the arena?

618
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 2: That was there?

619
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 4: Was the arena, I said, I said, but before we go,

620
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: can you stop by McDonald's. So I'm in the car

621
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 4: with the dude. We chopped it up. We eat McDonald's

622
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 4: He dropped me off at the arena and all I

623
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 4: did was vertically a little shuttle, did some stuff like

624
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 4: that that they would do at the combine. I never

625
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 4: saw nobody in management or nothing. And then I left.

626
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 4: So when I got back to the movie, I told Shaq,

627
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 4: I was like, bro, they just took me in there

628
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 4: and just took some some measurements or whatever. But the

629
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 4: dude that picked me up on the airport and took

630
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 4: me to the McDonald's was Stuart Scott. Bro it ended

631
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 4: up being Stuart Scott. It's crazy anchorwork, and I didn't

632
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: know who he was. He was like, yeah, my name

633
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 4: is Stuart, and it would end up being Stuart. We

634
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 4: laughed about that recipe, Stuart Scott.

635
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: Scott, Hey, that's cooler than the other side of it.

636
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 4: So I went back and told the big Homie. I said,

637
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 4: Big Homie, they tripping. They need to bring me in

638
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 4: to do nothing. He called back down, Yo, what's what

639
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 4: y'all doing there? Y'all need to get them back down there.

640
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 4: So about a week two, three weeks later, they brought

641
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 4: me back and I scrimmaged against the team. They had

642
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 4: Anthony Buoy guard me and Dennis was in there, Nick

643
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 4: was in there all my you know, everybody except for

644
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 4: Shack and I put on and they loved everything about it.

645
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 4: And I was already doing with Shaq what I needed

646
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 4: to do and it just worked. Bro, it worked.

647
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: That's what's up.

648
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 5: How was it for you actually, like when you like

649
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 5: went to the draft? What was your draft that.

650
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 4: It was in Detroit? It was actually in Auburn Hills.

651
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 4: You know, they're there. A Rena used to be out

652
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: in there in the summer Palace.

653
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: You know, trust me, I worked there.

654
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's where it was. So that's where our

655
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: draft was out there.

656
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's see he he, you see.

657
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 5: He's still back from the Ara we we I think

658
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 5: were the last year, our year where they used to

659
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 5: go around like that because like Detroit whatever with different

660
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 5: teams home states, and that's where the draft would be.

661
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: Like our draft was in Minneapolis after that.

662
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 5: Now it's New York all day long, and now they

663
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 5: get the party in New York the week of the draft.

664
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: Have a beautiful no disrespect.

665
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 5: To Auburn Hills, no disrespect to Minneapolis, but everybody knows

666
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 5: you would love to get drafted at Madison Square Garden

667
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 5: in New York City. Stop playing, no doubt, I'm just

668
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 5: saying like that, that's just what that is. So how

669
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 5: was it when you went to the draft? Like, did

670
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 5: you get like taking your family? Who all did you

671
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 5: take with you? And everything took at the time?

672
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 4: It was my mom, my grandmam, a couple of friends,

673
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 4: and my girlfriend at the time, and that's it. That's

674
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: all those all the people that went with me and

675
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: my agents, you know, that's who all sat at the table.

676
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: How was that for you to see your mom, you know,

677
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: sit there and hear your name called, and you know,

678
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: the draft is something that you feel like you ain't

679
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: made it all the way, but you made it.

680
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: That was just like the.

681
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 1: First Thursday monumental moment, you know what I'm saying. All

682
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: the stuff that you done went through. We always say

683
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: that it'd be a flashback of what happened all before

684
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: that moment. Yep, and you kind of get that flashback

685
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: of all the hoop you then. Did you know when

686
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: you was younger to get to this point? How was

687
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: that for you?

688
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 4: No, it was crazy, man, because obviously we all know

689
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: how it is. I watched my mom struggle. She left

690
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 4: me when I was five years old trying to pursue

691
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: a career, traveling around the country. She would just send me,

692
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 4: send me postcards from wherever she was. I go old

693
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: San Diego, Okay, she's in Alaska. Okay, she's in Atlanta.

694
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 4: She just traveled all around the country trying to make

695
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: it work. And when she moved back, she didn't have anything.

696
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 4: So she worked at that convenience store that I was

697
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,239
Speaker 4: selling gas station that I was telling you about. When

698
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 4: she was had to go to work at six am.

699
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 4: And that's the best job I saw my mom have

700
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: pretty much. And to be able to get to that

701
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 4: day in Auburn Hills to get drafted and to see

702
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 4: her face and to understand what was about to happen

703
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 4: for her and my grandmother. Bro, you can't take that

704
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 4: emotion back of understanding that God put you in a

705
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 4: situation to take care of your family for the rest

706
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: of their lives. That's a crazy all behind the basketball,

707
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 4: all of us on this podcast with a hoop for free.

708
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 4: If the NBA was just making it and no money,

709
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: we always have just said we got we in the

710
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 4: league hooping, but to get paid me.

711
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: A dollars for it? Come on, man, Yeah, with the

712
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: cherry On.

713
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: Did you know before the draft, before they picked the

714
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: number one pick that they was gonna swipe picks?

715
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: Was it discussed with you or you didn't.

716
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: You feel like you put your bid in and you

717
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: hope it happened.

718
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: I felt like I didn't know. I felt like I

719
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 4: did enough. I'm sorry, Rubber. I felt like I had

720
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: did enough. But there was another anchor from Orlando. He

721
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 4: told me, if Chris Webber goes first and I go third,

722
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 4: that they were going to swap the picks. So I

723
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 4: kind of had and inside. So when Chris went first

724
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: out in Flinch, Sean Bradley went second because Philadelphia needed

725
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: a big man. That's why Golden State, I mean, Orlando

726
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 4: picked Chris Webber because if I would have went first,

727
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: Philadelphia would have picked Chris Webber and that's why they

728
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: we went one and third. So if it would have

729
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: been Orlando Golden State, Philly, I would have went first,

730
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: Chris would have went second. But because they had to

731
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: do it that way and Chris number one pick over wrong,

732
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 4: that's my dog again. But because Philly was right there

733
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: in the middle, Golden State was like, we need a biggeress.

734
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 4: We don't want Sean Browley, we want Chris Webber, and

735
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 4: Orlando was like, well, we want pennies. So when they

736
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 4: got the pick and I went third, I knew I

737
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: was gonna they was gonna flip.

738
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 5: It's right, that's dope right there. Had you ever before

739
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 5: before getting drafted by the Magic Had you ever been

740
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 5: to Orlando before?

741
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 4: I did not as a player. We went to Tampa,

742
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 4: Florida for AU tournament. I had never gone to Orlando. Yeah,

743
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 4: but that was about it. I had never gone to

744
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 4: Orlando before I got drafted there, but I knew what

745
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 4: it was all about.

746
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: Though.

747
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 4: I was like, this is this is where it's at

748
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 4: right here.

749
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, what was your I was

750
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 5: when you got settled in down here?

751
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: The city beautiful?

752
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 4: I said, I'm going to disney World, like after the

753
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: Quarterbacks winning Disney World. But I got in town and

754
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 4: I was like, bro, I know it was just to me.

755
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 4: It was the weather. I said, I'm gonna have great

756
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 4: weather year round. I'm playing with list. I'm like, I'm good,

757
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: I'm good.

758
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 5: I can't love that. Me and the blackest one down here.

759
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 5: Now you just said it great weather around year round.

760
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: Can't be and y'all have some of the hardest jerseys

761
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: out there. In that lead man, y'all jerseys was super hard.

762
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: But tell us about your first year. You know, you

763
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: got Scott Styles, the wild man, who's the point guard

764
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: in front of you. But just tell us about you know,

765
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: your first year, you was running up for Rookie of

766
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: the Year, finally getting there, playing with Shaq and kind of,

767
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, showing what you can really do.

768
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was starting at the two with Scott Scouts.

769
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: Shout out Scott Scout. Scott helped me a lot. Man.

770
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 4: He could have been an asshole about everything because there

771
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 4: was like this new rookie, but dude was just a

772
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 4: true professional man. He was a true professional. He talked

773
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 4: me how to get it done professionally. I say that

774
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: because on the court he was all about business. And

775
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: he was one of the toughest dudes to ever get

776
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 4: on that court because he wasn't the most athletic, he

777
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 4: wasn't the fastest, but he will fight your ass the

778
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 4: entire game. And he was so smart, high and man.

779
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 4: That just taught me a lot. And midway during the season,

780
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 4: the Magic came to me and was like, are you

781
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: ready for your your moment, And it was kind of

782
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 4: bittersweet for me because I was like, yeah, and I

783
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 4: hated to lose Scott. They traded him to Washington and

784
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: made me the PG and that's when really my career

785
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: at the point took off.

786
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: Bud took off.

787
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 4: But man, I hated to see Scott Lee because you know,

788
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 4: that was my dog. He helped me out a lot.

789
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 5: How was that though, Like you said, I definitely feel

790
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 5: you that that was somebody who was kind of like

791
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 5: an og to you, showing you the roads. But like

792
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 5: once you got your chance and you got to take

793
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 5: off of it, and then you got to really show

794
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 5: what you could do. Like how did like you know

795
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 5: how it is in the league? Talk about how that

796
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 5: feels to like get that opportunity and you make the

797
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 5: most of it. And now now you in that light,

798
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 5: you ball and you you take runner up the Rookie

799
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 5: of the Year with see where but like you you

800
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 5: definitely on the whole on the whole landscape map. Now

801
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 5: everybody know who you are.

802
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I was just like in that moment, I

803
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 4: was ready for my moment. Like they always talk about, man,

804
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,479
Speaker 4: don't don't don't beg for something and you ain't ready

805
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 4: for it, like, you know, be careful what you asked for.

806
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: I asked for it. I beg for it, and you know,

807
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 4: to be in that position, even though I wanted Scott

808
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 4: to stay, Scott to stay. But when I got that moment,

809
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm kicking the door in. Man. I'm

810
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 4: six seven, I'm posting little point guards up. I'm gonna

811
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make my president, right, I know that's what

812
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 4: y'all did. Q Ris is always takings as to that

813
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 4: post in the morning like that Jo. So we went

814
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 4: to the and then I started posting up them little

815
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: guards and was like this, how I'm gonna make my

816
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 4: effect on the game? Six seven? I'm just gonna post

817
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 4: up and then I just kicked the door open. I

818
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 4: think my first game at the point guard spot was

819
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: against the Knicks. I was like, damn, they have to

820
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: be against the Knicks. But okay, let's get it done

821
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 4: in Madison Square Garden.

822
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: Nice.

823
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 4: That was tough, y'all.

824
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: I won fifty games that year.

825
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we won fifty games.

826
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: Year, won fifty game. Tell me about the first game

827
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: you got to play against MJ.

828
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 4: Yeah that was crazy, man, because you know that was

829
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 4: in my second year. That wasn't my first year. Second year.

830
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: I'm looking at ESPN, they said, you know, Michael Jordan

831
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: talking about coming back. Man, that'd be crazy if MJ

832
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: came back. But right now, you gotta understand, I'm that

833
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: dude in the league. Now I'm second year, I'm first team.

834
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm like, okay, and I.

835
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: Got number live. I got nothing but love for MJ.

836
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 4: I was like, damn, it'd be great for me. I'm like,

837
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 4: it'd be great to play against him. And boy, that

838
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 4: man came back and we played him and he had

839
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: the number forty five on. You can have twenty three

840
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 4: on when he first came in, he had the forty

841
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 4: five on and we played him and me and Nick

842
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 4: and then as we went at his head, we was like,

843
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 4: we got it. We big guards. We just got to

844
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 4: go at him. And man, it was crazy just looking

845
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 4: at him though, because you'll find yourself. I'm like, my

846
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 4: first year, I didn't see him at all. Second year,

847
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 4: most of the beginning of the year, I didn't se him,

848
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 4: and then he just came back like I'm coming back.

849
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 4: And then in the game watching him, I was like, Damn,

850
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 4: that's m J. And snap out, Snap out. You gotta

851
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: snap out of that so quick because he'll kill you

852
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 4: if you ain't attention. I'm like, bro, you better lock

853
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 4: in and get busy. And that's how it was.

854
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: Tell us about your All Stars fan, tell us about

855
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: the first time when you heard you making the All

856
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,959
Speaker 1: Star Game, and tell us about that famous starting line

857
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: up when they crosstime starting line up.

858
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: Your pants and I just remember.

859
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: In my head you look back like, man, yeah, you

860
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: know you just had to hold your pants and walk

861
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: and give everybody that.

862
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, so obviously, man, besides the first team All NBA

863
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 4: type of vote to be an All Star, Man, you

864
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 4: know that's that's you know, all the stars are gonna

865
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 4: be there, The best players in the league are gonna

866
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 4: be there. I watched this game my entire career, as

867
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 4: far as like high school, Like, man, I would love

868
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 4: to be in that game, and for it to actually happen,

869
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 4: to get my name called, I was like, again, there

870
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 4: was another there was another moment with the switch click again.

871
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 4: Even though you're there, it's like, okay, now you're gonna

872
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 4: be the hunted now once your name get on that list. Now,

873
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 4: the other guys that thought they should have made it.

874
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 4: And the guys under them, they gonna come at you

875
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 4: every game, so you gotta go. But when I went

876
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 4: to All Star weekend in Cleveland, Bro, that was an

877
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 4: unbelievable experience. Man, it was crazy. Man, he finished, Oh

878
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 4: you know, he kind of I'm like, I'm getting ready

879
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 4: to be announced. He started moving closer to me. I'm like,

880
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 4: you know you're gonna last what you're coming over here for,

881
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 4: Like you know you ain't about I'm not going after you,

882
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 4: So what you doing? I didn't know what he was doing.

883
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 4: He just kept inching like he was sitting closer closer,

884
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 4: and I guess he had already told Scotty is somebody,

885
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 4: I'm about to do the snap off or whatever, and Bro,

886
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: I walked out and he snapped them Jones and I

887
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 4: had to hold my past and I looked back. He's

888
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 4: just laughing like I'm on, and I'm like, hey man,

889
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 4: that was an ultimate compliment to me because that made

890
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 4: me feel like you know that he was like he

891
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 4: respected me and who I was.

892
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: Man.

893
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: MJ, the one and the two with you at m

894
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: J and the All Star Game, Like, it's it's just crazy, man,

895
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: It's just yes.

896
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: Tell me that do you remember where you were?

897
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know whether it was Nike or your

898
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 5: agent when they came to you and said that you're

899
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 5: gonna get your own shoe.

900
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, yeah, I was in Orlando and

901
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 4: I was kicking and just probably after I practice, my

902
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: agent called me. It was like, Nike, you want to

903
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 4: meet all right when we're going to Oregon or they

904
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 4: come here. It's like, now we're going to Oregon. I said, cool, seam,

905
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 4: it's a long ass like so, man, get your ass

906
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 4: on that plane and get the organ And I was

907
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 4: like cool, I got. I got all the way out there,

908
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, we walk in the room.

909
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 4: I'm saying a lot of people. I'm like, damn, all right,

910
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 4: what's up everybody? I sit down at the table. They go, Penny,

911
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 4: you know we brought you here because it's time for

912
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: us to bust out the air Penny one. I said,

913
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 4: Penny One, what what are you talking about? It's like, no,

914
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 4: we're about to give you your own shoe. I said, oh, man,

915
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 4: I think I got up walked out like dog, I'm

916
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 4: a sneakerhead. I'm about to have my own shoe. You

917
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 4: can't even dream this stuff up. I'm like, daw, this

918
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 4: is going for me in a row like how it

919
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 4: goes for guys that I mean, it ain't happening like

920
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 4: that every day for people like they're walking the Nike.

921
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 4: You got your own shoe because my rookie year, I

922
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: wore seven or eight different styles of Nikes, you know,

923
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 4: from the air up to the regular Nike to the

924
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 4: I wore the Jay's all that, you know, all the

925
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 4: different shoes, and to get my own shoe, I was like, dude,

926
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 4: this is crazy. This is crazy. I couldn't believe it.

927
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 5: So to go from that to like tell me about

928
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 5: when you saw like the samples of the models, and

929
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 5: then all the way to the point to where they

930
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 5: telling you like you about to do this little penny commercial.

931
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So I just wanted my shoe to be

932
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 4: a shoe that you can wear on it off the court,

933
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: just like everybody rocked the Jay's. You can hoop in them,

934
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 4: and you can rock them with sweats, with shorts whatever.

935
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 4: I was like, as long as my shoe can be

936
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: represented off the court just like it can be represented

937
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: on the court, I'm good with that because I didn't

938
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: just want a sneaker just strictly for the court that

939
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 4: nobody would wear off the court. And they did a

940
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 4: brilliant job.

941
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 5: Man.

942
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: They brought the samples, looked at the samples, was like, yeah,

943
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: this John is nice. They can rock these off the court.

944
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 4: And now he did a phenomenal job on that line.

945
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

946
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: Well, I had a little penny doll.

947
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: I can't even find it no more, but I had

948
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: a little penny doll. I went and bought me a

949
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: little when my mom bought me a little penny doll.

950
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: That was How was it to hearing that they was

951
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: gonna go with a little penny doll and start doing

952
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: like your commercial? Your commercial was something of the most iconic.

953
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being done in the basketball history.

954
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. So for me, it was they set me down.

955
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 4: They sat me down, and they was like, we know

956
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: you were a quiet assassin because I wasn't really a

957
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 4: trash talker unless somebody started with me, and then you know,

958
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 4: you can go back and forth. I was just hooping

959
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 4: and just trying to destroy dudes. It wasn't no talking.

960
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 4: It was just let's get the business. So they're like,

961
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: we're gonna get somebody that's gonna talk trash for you,

962
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 4: and his n't gonna be Little Penny, is gonna be

963
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 4: a doll. And they told me the concept. I laughed,

964
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 4: and I was like, dude, we gotta do that because

965
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 4: that's gonna be so dope, this little dude talking all

966
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 4: the ship and then I'm just gonna go back it up.

967
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna say nothing, but he gonna do all

968
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 4: the talking. I thought that was dope. I thought that

969
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 4: was pretty cool.

970
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: Like how like what Eddie Murphy and Martin and Jamie Wayne.

971
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 3: Was they them the ones that they were trying to

972
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: get to be the voice first?

973
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 4: I think I definitely know about Damon Wayam's and Martin Lawrence.

974
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 4: I don't know about Edie Murphy, but they could have

975
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 4: and they all turned it down. They wasn't big enough

976
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 4: for them because them dudes was the dudes back then.

977
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 4: Chris Rock really wasn't ye. So when Chris Rock did it,

978
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: he was like a not well known at the time,

979
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 4: and when he did the Little Penny Voice, it definitely

980
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 4: helped get him was where he was going.

981
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 5: Like I remember it, like when them commercials dropped, like

982
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 5: they was like the biggest thing. So, like, how was

983
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 5: that for you because it was like, not only do

984
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 5: you already got like a dope shooters coming down, and

985
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 5: clearly the shoe was doing numbers in the stores because

986
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 5: I remember that was like the only shooter drop that

987
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 5: was like could compete with the Jordans for prices and

988
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 5: stuff like that.

989
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 2: And it was like this for a second with y'all

990
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: with the Jays.

991
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 5: The Pennies really had that type of fast So like

992
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 5: when they did, Nike call y'all like, man, the commercials

993
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 5: are going crazy, we gotta do more, Like this is

994
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 5: like we didn't think it would be this big as

995
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 5: a deal, Like yeah, like for marketing, like they hit

996
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 5: like a super crazy home run. How was that when

997
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 5: they started to see those results? Like how did you

998
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 5: hear about it from that side?

999
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1000
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 4: There was an advertising agency called Whiten and Kennedy and

1001
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 4: there was a guy that worked with them named Stacy Wall.

1002
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 4: He was the guy that kind of helped create the

1003
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 4: little Penny deal. And Nike's so strategic on how they

1004
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 4: do things. They always capitalized at the right time, so

1005
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 4: they didn't want to flood it, but they wanted to

1006
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 4: put enough out where everybody stayed hungry and then it

1007
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 4: became a thing. So that's why they're so smart and

1008
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 4: so brilliant. They didn't want to just make fifteen commercials

1009
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 4: and go boom boom boom, boom boom. They basically was like,

1010
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 4: we're gonna piece it out there and make people be

1011
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 4: hungry for it, and that that worked. So when they

1012
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 4: when the numbers and everything went through the roof, it

1013
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, it's time to make another one. And

1014
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 4: when that went through the roof, Okay, it's time to

1015
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 4: make another one. So they were just really smart about

1016
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 4: how they did that.

1017
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: When he said that's tire banks food, when you did

1018
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: the tire bank commercial out of all that, how hard

1019
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: did you laugh when you heard him say that?

1020
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 4: And you know he was never in the studio with me.

1021
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 4: I just heard the boy. I couldn't get to the commercial.

1022
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: Every time I heard what he said, I cut started.

1023
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 4: I said, my bad, bro, I don't know what he

1024
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 4: gonna say, but when he says something, And it took

1025
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 4: me a minute to make my commercial because everything he

1026
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 4: said I was like laughing, and they was like, yo,

1027
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 4: you can't laugh. You got to get through it. I

1028
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 4: was like cool, and I finally got used to it.

1029
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: But in the beginning, Bro, it was tripping me out.

1030
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: That's crazy, that's dope, that's dope.

1031
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: You know, Horace Grant won three three championships in the row,

1032
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: and it was like, that's the key piece that y'all

1033
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: needed to get over the hump to be a real

1034
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: legit championship team. Tell us what's what impact Horace brought

1035
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: to y'all team to make y'all take another step up

1036
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: to go to back to back championship.

1037
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 4: Yeah. So Horrace definitely was the missing piece. He was

1038
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 4: like the defender knockdown anywhere from a fifteen to eighteen

1039
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 4: quarter consistently he's spaced to fourth for Shack. He was

1040
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 4: like the perfect match because Shack was down low when

1041
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 4: he was on the perimeter, and he had championship pedigree. Man,

1042
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 4: he had won three championships in a row and was

1043
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 4: a champion. So at the end of the day, we

1044
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 4: needed that In Orlando. We were young, we needed that vet,

1045
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 4: that wiley vet, and man, he took us to the

1046
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: next level right away. I knew when we got Horace

1047
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 4: Grant that we were gonna go to the NBA Finals

1048
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 4: because you kind of know your team. You're like, if

1049
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 4: we get him. We got a good chance to go

1050
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 4: and we did.

1051
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: Fast forward to y'all playing the Bulls.

1052
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: Now, you know, now this is this playoff time, it's

1053
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: aint the Saint regular season. I see Mike and then

1054
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: you know it's it's like, hey, I gotta I want.

1055
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: To beat Mike. I don't want Mike to beat me.

1056
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: Y'all beat him the first time, will tell us about

1057
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: this series, the forty five and then he came back

1058
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: with the twenty three to one game after he had

1059
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: a bad game.

1060
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1061
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 4: I heard Darrel Armstrong telling this story the other day,

1062
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: which is crazy because we all felt the same way,

1063
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 4: and we loved Nick Anderson. That's our dog. But Nick

1064
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 4: was an unbelievable defender and the Bulls had a lead

1065
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 4: on us. Laid in the game in Game one, and

1066
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 4: MJ brought the ball up like casually and Nick just

1067
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 4: kind of stayed in the play back, tipped at the meat,

1068
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 4: I stole it, went down, gave it the hardest, we

1069
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 4: dunked it in and won the game on that play.

1070
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: Pissed MJ off because I think Nick said something the

1071
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 4: in the media about MJ and forty five or whatever.

1072
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 4: And then the next time he came out. It was

1073
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: like some some I don't even know what the college shit,

1074
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: ain't you rich? That dude popped that twenty three, looked

1075
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 4: like it had some lights on it, and so what

1076
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: the hell that ain't forty five no More? I said,

1077
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 4: he on some bullshit today.

1078
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: I said that.

1079
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 4: I said he didne went to twenty three. He just snapped.

1080
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: We just seen Nick Anderson say something to them in

1081
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 4: the media. Ain't nobody going to MJ and the media,

1082
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 4: you crazy man?

1083
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: On the first game?

1084
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 4: Hey man, I promise there was some lights on that

1085
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 4: jersey though. That shit looks a lot lighter brighter than

1086
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 4: it would have usually did. And that man went to

1087
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 4: work on us, broughing to my easy work, and we

1088
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 4: went to the locker room after the game, like like,

1089
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 4: all right, we gotta do what we did in Chicago.

1090
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 4: But that was some That was some movie. They should

1091
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 4: have made a movie off that damn game, because that

1092
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: boy popped out that twenty three and didn't have forty

1093
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 4: five on no More and went to work.

1094
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: That's tough right there.

1095
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: So y'all beat the bulls in Chicago, and y'all raised

1096
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: horse grant up. Welcome out, Welcome out, the stadium, you know,

1097
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: which left for bad taste in Mike mind. But now

1098
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: y'all gotta go to the finals. You know, y'alla made

1099
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: it to the to the final. Tell Us about your

1100
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: first finals experience, because you know, you go to the finals,

1101
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: everything is on the last two teams. The NBA put

1102
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: all they work in to show the finals as the

1103
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: biggest series in the world at the time. So how

1104
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: was it your first finals seeing how things changed, because

1105
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, stuff changed from the regular season to the playoffs,

1106
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: but the playoffs to the finals, it changed.

1107
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: It takes up another level and put more pressure on you.

1108
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, because we were so good. I really was just hooping, like, man,

1109
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 4: I'm about to give me a ring. And then when

1110
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: I found out it was between the Spurs and the

1111
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 4: Rockets and David Robinson had won the MVP, so Dream

1112
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 4: used at as motivation to be like, I'm about to

1113
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 4: kick his ass. Love David Robinson and dream of Lodge one.

1114
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 4: So they won that series and during the regular season

1115
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 4: we beat Houston bad both games. Was like, oh man,

1116
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 4: Sam Kenny burnon Maxwell, oh man, I'm about were about

1117
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 4: to go at these boys, right, That's how I'm thinking

1118
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 4: in my mind. Because we won both games by twenty

1119
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 4: and we got up in the first half of I

1120
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 4: think like seventeen. We rolling, and all of a sudden

1121
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: everything shifted. We subed, we shifted, and then they went

1122
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 4: nip and chuck from that point forward. Got in second half,

1123
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 4: they went on the run. It got down to the

1124
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 4: fourth free throws. So my experience in the finals was, man,

1125
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 4: we in the finals were playing the Rockets. We beat

1126
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 4: them twice. I'm out here hooping and freelancing and just rolling,

1127
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 4: and we about to win us a championship. And then obviously,

1128
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 4: you know that momentum shifted, and when it shifted, it

1129
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 4: shifted for the worst.

1130
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: Bro.

1131
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think happened? Because in Orlando, you

1132
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: give up the three, send it into overtime, y'all wound

1133
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: up losing that game. What do you think the slip

1134
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: up was of not winning that? I thought that was

1135
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 1: too good, great matched up team.

1136
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 2: I thought y'all.

1137
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: Matched up very well against each other in that series.

1138
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 4: Ain't gonna lie. I think we disrespected them, bro, because

1139
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 4: we were too overconfident. In that game, we were up

1140
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 4: three points and Nick my dog, went to the free

1141
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 4: throw line and missed the first two free throws, got

1142
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 4: his own rebound, got foul, and then he missed the

1143
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 4: next two. So we went into the huddle. We like,

1144
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 4: we're good, Bro, everything good. We're gonna take it the

1145
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 4: layer game back. Then you take it the layer game.

1146
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 4: We're gonna see what they're gonna do, and we're gonna

1147
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 4: just step Nick step out of bound because he was

1148
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: guarding out of the bounds guy and we was. We

1149
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 4: was in the huddle and I looked at Nick, and

1150
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 4: Nick really one locked in. He was like, just still

1151
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 4: mess up by missing the four free thrown. Nick knew

1152
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 4: the mac intitude of what happened. So we're still going, Bro,

1153
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 4: we're good. We get out there. I'm guarding Kenny Smith

1154
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 4: under the basket dream Elijah One is at the top

1155
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 4: of the key. He was just gonna set a little

1156
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 4: pen down for Kenny to come off. So I stayed there.

1157
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 4: Ref gave I don't know who he gave the ball to,

1158
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 4: maybe Robert Lorrie. Nick didn't step out of the bounds,

1159
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 4: and Kenny got away from me about three feet. So

1160
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: I said, damn, he ain't take the delay of game.

1161
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 4: Now I gotta make up the ball come in to Kenny.

1162
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 4: I jumped to block it. He went under me and

1163
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 4: made this little double clutch three Bro the senate, the overtime,

1164
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 4: and from that point on, Bro, it was just like

1165
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 4: a battle for the next next game. And then we

1166
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 4: went to Houston and we were down O two. They

1167
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 4: were too confident, man, and they just they shot the

1168
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 4: crap out of the ball man. And that one play

1169
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 4: that free throws miss affected us on the delay of game.

1170
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 4: And then I let my guard down because I knew

1171
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 4: there hadn't been one time that we had never taken

1172
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 4: a delay of game that you're like, if we're gonna

1173
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 4: take a delay of game, we tell the rep hey

1174
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 4: taking a delay of game. I relaxed. And then when

1175
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 4: I relaxed, Nick didn't step out of the bounds. They

1176
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 4: gave Kenny like an edge and he made that joint.

1177
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 4: So that's a tough way to lose it. But you know, Nick,

1178
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 4: that's my brother, man, and you know, you never know

1179
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 4: what people are thinking in those situations. And when he

1180
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 4: missed the free throws, we should have just said, you

1181
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 4: know what, it's a wrap, let's just get this game.

1182
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 4: We'll talk about that later. He didn't take it. If

1183
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 4: he did take the delay, of game, the ref didn

1184
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 4: get it to him. I didn't see him. He definitely

1185
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,959
Speaker 4: didn't step out the bounds, and then the ref would

1186
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 4: have just blew the whistle and we would have saw

1187
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 4: what they were doing. I probably would have topped locked

1188
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 4: Kenny and say you ain't coming out here, you gotta

1189
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 4: go that way. I would have switched it up. But

1190
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, that's what happened. But

1191
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 4: then the next game it was just back and forth,

1192
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 4: back and forth, back and forth, and Keen and this

1193
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 4: left hand tip out of nowhere like under here and

1194
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 4: hit it that Jont went in to win the game.

1195
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 4: After that, we were just demoralized at that point, man, Like, damn, bro,

1196
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 4: it's a rap.

1197
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: So the next year, Shock get hurt most of the year,

1198
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and you have to take

1199
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: a leadership bro into stepping up your game even more

1200
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: because you don't.

1201
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: Have the big feller as much as you had.

1202
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: Y'all win sixty games that year, you know, win sixty games,

1203
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: and then again you meet the bulls.

1204
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: You know, they was coming back for revenge.

1205
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: What was that next series like when Jordan with a

1206
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: full season playing against y'all.

1207
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 5: Hey before he say this, I'm just gonna I just

1208
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 5: want to insert this in here. I was seventeen at

1209
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 5: the time I was at the crib. I probably was

1210
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 5: as ready as y'all were for this rematch to this season.

1211
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Pinny. I wasn't even I was sitting in

1212
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 2: my front room, but I was ready. Go ahead. Hey.

1213
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 4: So it's like this, bro, when you have your moment,

1214
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 4: like we talked about when I had my moment, you

1215
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,479
Speaker 4: got to be ready for it. Them boys is ready

1216
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 4: for the moment. The second time around. It was mad

1217
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 4: from the year before, Shack and be Shan putting the

1218
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 4: herds on it. Dm J and forgot nothing. He Didne

1219
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 4: went the whole summer eating raw eggs and man and

1220
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 4: got into the the tai Chie and everything. That boy

1221
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 4: went crazy all summer and was like, all right, I'm

1222
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 4: getting them next time. So Shaq was hurt, Nick got hurt,

1223
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 4: somebody else might have been hurt, and we went in

1224
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 4: like the first game kind of okay. And then after

1225
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 4: that everybody started getting injured. They swept us, Bro, They

1226
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 4: just they took us out. And after that it was

1227
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 4: like Shaq was gone. Everything left. It's like MJ destroyed

1228
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 4: the whole franchise behind us beating his ass the year before.

1229
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us about that, like Shaq transitioning into leaving

1230
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: the organization not giving him the type of money that

1231
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: he felt he wanted and he deserved, leaving something that

1232
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: y'all had so so special. Like the last couple of year,

1233
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: y'all went to the finals, and y'all went to the

1234
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference final. It can't be nothing but championship next.

1235
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,479
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, y'all don't have nothing to lose.

1236
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: It gotta be championship next. But then one of our

1237
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: biggest pieces leave the scene.

1238
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: How was that for you?

1239
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 3: To see how that played out?

1240
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 4: Well, that was the summer that we had the Dream

1241
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 4: Team and we were practicing in Orlando at Disney World.

1242
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 4: That's where our practice facility was. We met there and

1243
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 4: just was practicing, and the articles I was reading in

1244
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 4: the paper, bro. You know, we had young fans who

1245
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 4: didn't know any better. We had immature beat writers that

1246
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 4: were just kind of ragging on Shock because he couldn't

1247
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 4: make free throws right. So they was like, we don't

1248
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 4: think Shaq deserves the money that he's saying that he

1249
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 4: deserves because he can't make free throws in the clutch,

1250
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 4: Why would you pay somebody that much money? And I'm like,

1251
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 4: are y'all kidding me?

1252
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: Y'all got to.

1253
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 4: Chill, and that pitch shack off. So if he wasn't

1254
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 4: looking to go anywhere. At that point, the Lakers and

1255
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 4: Jerry Wist came in. It was like, hey, big fella,

1256
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 4: they don't appreciate you down there. Come on out here

1257
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 4: to La and let us kind of show you how

1258
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 4: what it's like. And Orlando is a beautiful city. But

1259
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 4: when you go to the city of Angels, bro and

1260
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 4: they started throwing out them movie contracts and all these endorsements,

1261
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 4: and you're playing for the Lakers, different bott line and

1262
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 4: sinker man, they got them. And I'm sitting in the

1263
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 4: press conference in Atlanta with all the international media plus

1264
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 4: the American media, all the media. It's so many media

1265
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 4: people and this guy, I don't know what country was from.

1266
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 4: He was like, how does it feel not to have

1267
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 4: Shaquille O'Neal as a teammate anymore? I didn't know that.

1268
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 4: I was like, when you first found out, Yeah, I

1269
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 4: was like, if that if that's the case, then that

1270
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 4: would be devastating and then I'm looking around at Scotty

1271
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 4: and granting them they looking at me like and Bro,

1272
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 4: after that was over, I found out that Shaq had left.

1273
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 4: That's the way I found out. And he came to

1274
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 4: my room the next day and was like, I apologized, Bro,

1275
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 4: but I had to do it, and I was I

1276
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 4: was done.

1277
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: Damn, Man, that's one two punchs man. Man. That was crazy. Man.

1278
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 5: That's like, how was how was it when you got

1279
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 5: back to the team after that, Like, how did the

1280
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 5: team atmosphere feel like when you had the games? How

1281
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 5: did the games feel? Everything feel like? It kind of

1282
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 5: shifted and changed after the big fellow left?

1283
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 2: Bro?

1284
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 4: When Shack left, Damn door knob on, the building was

1285
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 4: breaking off and ship you everything was breaking down. A man,

1286
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 4: we ain't got no ice man with icet bro everything Hey,

1287
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 4: we went straight to the ay. We went straight back

1288
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 4: to where we started.

1289
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: Bro.

1290
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 4: It was like an expansion team all over again. It

1291
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 4: was like, Damn, Bro, we went from the Beatles to

1292
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 4: man just being just some dude that was trying to

1293
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 4: make it like we're trying to give you our mixtape back.

1294
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 4: It went that bad though it went bad, we knew

1295
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 4: it did. It went down fast, bro. It wasn't even

1296
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 4: like a slow grind. We competed a little bit, but

1297
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 4: it went from sixty to forty one, forty two to

1298
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 4: forty five. It was like we knew the magnitude the

1299
00:56:58,960 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 4: way that happened.

1300
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: Man, you've seen it in the teams that's playing against you.

1301
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: They like, oh yeah, yeah, I don't got shut so

1302
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: we don't fear nothing that y'all got going on.

1303
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 4: Oh come on. It's like when we first went to Chicago,

1304
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna go back to what you just said, man,

1305
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 4: me and shot out in the clubs kicking it because MJ.

1306
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 4: It was like one dude in the club said, I

1307
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 4: bet if Black was here, y'all has to be in

1308
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 4: the bed. I said, you right, But so we gonna

1309
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 4: kick it tonight. And the boys beat the.

1310
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: Hell out of us.

1311
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 4: The next night ron for Scott, and they still beat us.

1312
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 4: We was in there kicking it like they ain't got MJ.

1313
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 4: And they still played a good game. So when it

1314
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 4: came to our game, you have to take your bed

1315
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 4: when you came to Orlando because you was playing against us.

1316
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 4: When Shaq left them boys, man probably stayed up to

1317
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 4: three or four in the morning before they played us, Like, man,

1318
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 4: it's a rap. They ain't got it no more.

1319
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: They smelled blood.

1320
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 4: Man, they did smell blood.

1321
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 5: They tell me this year like, like you said, you

1322
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 5: was on the select team, which was crazy playing against

1323
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 5: Dream Team. How was it when they called you and

1324
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 5: they say we want you to be on Dream Team?

1325
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: To man like you just like like like you say,

1326
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: you hitting all the accolades, Like what was that call?

1327
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 5: Like we know, like like you say, that's a different

1328
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 5: call than all NBA that all start, Like that's a

1329
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 5: different type of badge when you in the league, Like

1330
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 5: that's like you now you are you becoming Avenger, You

1331
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 5: become one Marvel, you send the super heroes.

1332
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 4: Out here, ye because you know back then it wasn't

1333
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 4: just no tryouts and everybody going to see if they

1334
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 4: can make it like nowadays. Exactly you had selected and

1335
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 4: then that is the ultimate respect level for your game

1336
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 4: when they say we want you to be on the

1337
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 4: Dream Team, And man, I was like like the way

1338
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 4: that it was going for me, Man, it was just

1339
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 4: it was unbelievable because we was rolling. When it's winning Orlando,

1340
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 4: you get drafted, you're on the select team in college

1341
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 4: all these things to get your own shoot and then

1342
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 4: to get put on the Dream Team. Bro, I was

1343
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 4: loving every minute of them. I was like a little kid.

1344
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 4: I was going around stocked in the tp A king

1345
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 4: to Scottie, to Miss Richmond, to Reggie, all them boys. Man,

1346
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 4: I was taking it off. Shaq, Charles came alone. I

1347
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 4: was every practice, I'm walking up to them dudes and

1348
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 4: just saying something, bro, because I wanted the soaky you

1349
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 4: know I did? That was that was a great moment

1350
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 4: for me.

1351
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, because we had DC on here,

1352
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: can Dream Team to beat Dream Team oneast both of them?

1353
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 4: You know what's so crazy is I had this conversation

1354
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 4: with Draymond Green talking about that because he's been on

1355
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 4: a couple of Olympic teams, right, And I was like,

1356
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 4: we're not gonna disrespect the Ogs. We're gonna get them

1357
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 4: they they say, and we're gonna let the OG's rest

1358
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 4: and say that, Dan, the original Dream Team is the

1359
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 4: best team.

1360
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: Ever for us.

1361
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 4: We know we can compete with anybody, but just on

1362
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 4: a respect level, we're gonna get them. Dudes. They just

1363
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 4: do because they they put in a lot of work.

1364
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 4: So I ain't disrespected that.

1365
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1366
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 4: We got lucky as the college players, but as far

1367
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 4: as now, you gotta know who we had and who

1368
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 4: they had.

1369
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: It's right there, but.

1370
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 4: We're gonna we got too many legends on that team

1371
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 4: that I love him respect.

1372
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: See, I like the respect factor right there.

1373
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 5: Listen, tell me about when you first hurt your knee

1374
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 5: at ninety seven. What was the original injury that you had,

1375
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 5: Like the started off the knee injury stuff.

1376
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 4: Man, were playing the Pistons in the first round of

1377
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 4: the playoffs and I'm about to go for a rebound

1378
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 4: and Joe Dumars tried to come and wage me in.

1379
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 4: But when he came in there, he need me right

1380
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 4: in the back of my knee, like right on that bone,

1381
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 4: and I felt it right away. I was like, damn,

1382
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 4: But I kept playing. You know, you got the adrenaline

1383
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 4: and everything, and I kept playing. I finished that series,

1384
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 4: I finished the next series, and then I'm like, after

1385
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 4: it was over with, it wasn't really as bad anymore.

1386
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: So I went home.

1387
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 4: Chilled the whole summer and was hooping and there wasn't

1388
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 4: nothing wrong. And right before training camp, I think I

1389
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 4: played with a torm of this because the whole summer.

1390
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: Bro.

1391
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 4: I just it was crazy. As soon as I got

1392
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 4: the training camp, I was like, damn, my knee back

1393
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 4: hurting like it was, you know. And when Joe hit

1394
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 4: me and they went in there MRI that I didn't do,

1395
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 4: no MRI. Nothing. Over the summer, got back for the

1396
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 4: season started and Bro had to have surgery. It was torn,

1397
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 4: and that's when everything started going downhill from there. But

1398
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 4: that's what happened. Joe hit me. He don't even know

1399
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 4: he did that. I never talked to Joe about that

1400
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 4: to this day, but he hit me perfectly right in

1401
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 4: the back of my knee, like on the on the

1402
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 4: later side, and it was right on that bone.

1403
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: Bro.

1404
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 4: It just felt so bad at the time and I

1405
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 4: was like, Bro, something wrong. And then I just kept

1406
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 4: playing and it just went away. And right when the

1407
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 4: season was about to start, found out there was torn.

1408
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: They go on strikes and they going the NBA going

1409
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: strike and then they come back for the fifty games.

1410
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: But you're you're back healthy now and you're dominating. But

1411
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: what was different when you came back after that strike

1412
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: that you didn't have before you got hurt.

1413
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 4: I didn't have the same explosion even though it was

1414
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 4: like my first injury, I still felt a little You're

1415
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 4: gonna feel a little weird because it's like you got

1416
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 4: that that residue still kind of left over from the surgeries.

1417
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 4: Even though they give you three to six weeks, it

1418
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 4: might take eight nine weeks. So in the beginning I

1419
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 4: was kind of rusty, a little step slower, wasn't trusting it.

1420
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 4: And then as the season went on, I got better

1421
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 4: and better, but I still scored the ball because I

1422
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 4: posted up. I scored at a high clip in the post,

1423
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 4: and I didn't really have to have everything to be

1424
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 4: down there. I just had to length in the size

1425
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 4: and scoring in that media. I went to the mid

1426
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 4: range game and became one of them type of players.

1427
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's what changed. I kind of wasn't flying

1428
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 4: up and down the floor like I was before I

1429
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 4: got injured until later. I just kind of used the

1430
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 4: mid post in the post area to kind of get

1431
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 4: me through until I got back healthier.

1432
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 5: When did you know, like, all right, this time for

1433
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 5: me to leave Orlando? You know this chapter is over with,

1434
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 5: Like did you choose to leave? Did they tell you

1435
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 5: you leave? Nor did you just get traded? How did

1436
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 5: it all go down when you got traded. Now they

1437
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 5: wanted me to stay. That's when Doc Rivers came in.

1438
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 4: It was the coach. But I felt so disrespected because

1439
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 4: they did me like they did shot Counter. It was

1440
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 4: a young, young fan base. The media was like, you know,

1441
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 4: it's penny Worth this, it's Pennyworth that. It went back

1442
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 4: to that, like how they did Jack. And I was like, bro,

1443
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 4: I'm blood sweating tears in this joint. As much as

1444
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 4: I won, you know, I want to be respected. And again,

1445
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 4: once you let somebody get away and be wind and

1446
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 4: dying by somebody else, it could always seem better, especially

1447
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 4: when you're bitter or you feel like you're being disrespected.

1448
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 4: Come on over here, we know how to treat you. Bro,

1449
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 4: they ain't treating you right. We got you and I

1450
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 4: got with Jason Kidd and Jay Kidd was like, man,

1451
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 4: let's go ahead and do this. And I was like,

1452
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 4: that'd be a dope backcourt. So I went to Phoenix.

1453
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: How was it playing with Jay Kidd?

1454
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: Like Jay Kidd is one of the NBA players that

1455
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: I always wanted to get an opportunity to play with.

1456
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: But how was it, you know, getting the opportunity to

1457
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: play with Jay Kidd and seeing his IQ and the

1458
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: way he played and the way he lead a team.

1459
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, easy, bro. It was easy to play with him because,

1460
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 4: like you said, his IQ was so high. One of

1461
01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 4: the fastest dudes in the league. Fearless, relentless, competitive warrior,

1462
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 4: all that above. Medduke and will a team to a

1463
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 4: win without even scoring, just from his play making and

1464
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 4: his defense and his awareness and all the stuff that

1465
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 4: he had going. So he made my game easier. Man.

1466
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 4: All I did was just you know, got in the

1467
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 4: car and roll with him, you know what I mean.

1468
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 4: So he was healthier than me, but I still had

1469
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 4: enough to kind of, you know, kind of help him

1470
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 4: or whatever. But I kind of rolled that way.

1471
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 2: Man.

1472
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 4: Dude was a monster. He can get it done.

1473
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, what, who came up with

1474
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: the idea of MJ wearing your shoe and you wearing

1475
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: MJ shoe in the playoffs?

1476
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think when I wore MJ's shoes, it was

1477
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 4: you know, before he came back. And then when he

1478
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 4: came back, they didn't have an Air Jordan that was

1479
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 4: available because he didn't make one. And then they he

1480
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 4: was like, well he called me kid, give me, give

1481
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 4: me kid's shoes, Like that's what he called me, kid,

1482
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get these shoes right. So he rocked them

1483
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 4: joints and I was still sitting out there, going this

1484
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 4: man got my shoes on. It was he cut the

1485
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 4: number one off the back, but it's he just kept

1486
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 4: the shoes. He was like, I'm just gonna cut the

1487
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 4: number one off the back. I thought that was crazy

1488
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 4: because he's never won another shoe outside of Air Jordan.

1489
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, Like, when you like, what is

1490
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 5: that like hearing the m J about to wear your

1491
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 5: signature shoe.

1492
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 4: Bro. But I'm gonna tell you this, I didn't know

1493
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 4: he was gonna wear him. That's how much respect he had.

1494
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 4: I got in the game, you know, free throwing. I

1495
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 4: looked down like, damn, he got on the shoes like

1496
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 4: I'm tripping. I saw that. I was like, we're gonna

1497
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 4: beat them. Ain't go and get nobody's shoes. Hell, no,

1498
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 4: I let him do whatever.

1499
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: I said.

1500
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 4: No, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna let a sleeping dog lie.

1501
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 4: I appreciate you rocking them joints. I ain't say nothing

1502
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 4: about the shoes. I ain't say nothing I'm like, I'm

1503
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 4: not bothering this dude.

1504
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: They don't let them be.

1505
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: These are one of my most favorite shoes ever made

1506
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: by nak is the Phone Positive, Like excellent them shoes.

1507
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: Something about them shoes. They give me the feeling of

1508
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: the pattern level Jordan's. You know, they're so unique and

1509
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: they so outside the norm of any other shoe that's

1510
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: ever really been made. The reason I hated so much

1511
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: because they don't make phone posits in size eighteen, you know,

1512
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: saying they go up to like a fifteen or sixteen

1513
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: or so forth phone like that. But tell us the

1514
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: story of how phone posits came into play. I heard

1515
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: it post have been for another player, but you wind

1516
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: up seeing them and taking and you look at them today,

1517
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: like man, phone posites go from a thousand to ten

1518
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: thousand to fifteen thousand dollars at this point now. But

1519
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: it's like the icing on the cake for the whole

1520
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: Penny collection is with the phone posits.

1521
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 2: So tell us the story about the Phone Positive.

1522
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, they never told me until way later that the

1523
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 4: phones was probably for Scotty, and Scotty didn't like them.

1524
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 4: But I liked them right away when they showed them.

1525
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 2: To me.

1526
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Scotty was supposed to be the one

1527
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,439
Speaker 4: that got showed the phones first because champion six times.

1528
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he deserved all that, so we not never questioned it.

1529
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 4: I'm just hey, yeah he had. I never talked to

1530
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 4: Scotty about that man, Scotty close, but I never talked

1531
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 4: to him about the phone because they didn't tell me

1532
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 4: right away. But I'm gonna ask him one day, Like yo,

1533
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 4: because Scotty Pipper Jr. Plays here in Memphis, so he

1534
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 4: comes to a lot of the games. I'm gonna ask

1535
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 4: him one day. But when I saw the shoe, I

1536
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 4: loved it right away because I was like, this is

1537
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 4: something different, anything different. I was gonna rock And I

1538
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 4: instantly loved him right away, and I put him on

1539
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 4: and there was the rest is history.

1540
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1541
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 5: Like thinking about that, like you said earlier, like you know,

1542
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 5: you're a sneakerhead. For you to get your own, you know,

1543
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 5: your own sneaker, your signature shoe, looking back at it

1544
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 5: and seeing how the sneaker come unity in the end,

1545
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 5: even when you think about that time, I don't know shoes,

1546
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 5: tails or nothing like that, but I know in that

1547
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 5: era in the amongst the hood, like your shoe is

1548
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 5: probably like one of the only shoes that legitimately could

1549
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 5: say I competed with the air Joy and there was

1550
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 5: some people that liked it over the air Joy. It

1551
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,560
Speaker 5: was a conversation. It was an argument, you know what

1552
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like nobody else can we say that? Like,

1553
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 5: and then when you look at the whole line you

1554
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 5: didn't put together, Like I remember I was over Jeff

1555
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 5: Has one day he had some penny box like like

1556
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 5: all of the Like it's crazy, Like when you look

1557
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 5: at that, you know, the lineup you put together, Like

1558
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 5: how did that make you feel?

1559
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 2: In retrospect?

1560
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 5: Like now you know you got twenty twenty hind set sneakerhead,

1561
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 5: but you like embroiled in the whole sneaper sneaker community

1562
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 5: with one of the toughest shoes.

1563
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like how that feel?

1564
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, that's crazy, man, because I am a sneakerhead.

1565
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 4: And just to see the whole line, you know, to

1566
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,879
Speaker 4: have all the pennies, with all the phones, with everything

1567
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,799
Speaker 4: that they've done, with the collapse, with everything, I couldn't

1568
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 4: even imagine that. Bro they went crazy with it because

1569
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 4: like he's always about evolving and even like moving on

1570
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 4: with my sneakers in the colorways and everything that goes

1571
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 4: along with their sneaker Man, it is just it's crazy

1572
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 4: just seeing that whole line, just from the first penny

1573
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 4: all the way through everything, every phone, and how it's

1574
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 4: just lasted the times, lasted through the times with the

1575
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 4: sneaker heads, and it's even more popular now than even

1576
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 4: what it was back when we started walking them joints.

1577
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 5: So crazy they stealing them off your poor chaining Like

1578
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 5: how crazy magazine.

1579
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 2: That happened? Like, what was you when you found out

1580
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 2: they stole them off the poor?

1581
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna tell you what happened. I think it

1582
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 4: was shoe set up for me because it was a

1583
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 4: it was a delivery. I have a gate in my

1584
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 4: house is like one hundred yards off the street. They

1585
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 4: know not to ever leave anything outside my gate because

1586
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 4: they know that people will come through there or whatever.

1587
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 4: You know, how it is these poachers they stealing passes

1588
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 4: all day. Yes, they put twenty seven boxes on the

1589
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 4: outside wall. Everybody driving down my street can see these boxes.

1590
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 4: My house is one hundred yards back. They didn't hit

1591
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 4: the phone, they didn't try to hit anybody. To say, hey,

1592
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 4: you at home. If you're not at home, we're gonna

1593
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 4: bring these back tomorrow because this is such a big delivery.

1594
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 4: They put them jones outside like basically on the street,

1595
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 4: like you put your trash on the street to them, Hey,

1596
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 4: and all of them joints. Was the one of one

1597
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 4: Slam magazine collap that they only did bronze shoe and

1598
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 4: Sabrina and nescut our three shoes were the only ones

1599
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 4: that collaped. And it was a crazy colorway. And this

1600
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 4: one dude come through there with a damn grocery store

1601
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 4: basket And I tell you that dude walked down the

1602
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 4: street with all kinds of boxes and baskets and stuff. Man,

1603
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 4: how you push their stuff down the street and got

1604
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 4: away with it? He made it do what to do?

1605
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 2: That's unreal.

1606
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 4: That was crazy. But yeah, that that is that's boxers.

1607
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 4: But Nike, respecting love of Nike, they remade all those

1608
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 4: shoes and they're sending them back to me. So because

1609
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 4: those were one of them ones, those aren't going to

1610
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 4: be going to the market.

1611
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy.

1612
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 1: That's We big on nicknames, and Penny is one of

1613
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: the dopest nicknames in basketball.

1614
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 2: In our history.

1615
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: Tell us the origin of Penny, because you had Penny

1616
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: before you made it to the league. Where some guys

1617
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: get their nickname in the league, some guys get their

1618
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: nickname in college, and some guys get it from birth.

1619
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: Soon as they come out the wound, their whole family

1620
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: is calling them there. But yeah, tell us the origin

1621
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: of Penny and where the name Penny came from.

1622
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 4: Yeah. I didn't become Penny till I was like eleven

1623
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 4: years old, Like when I moved my grandmother and got older.

1624
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 4: My friends was asking me what my nickname was because

1625
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 4: my grandmother used to have this real southern draw and

1626
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 4: it sounded like she was saying pity, but she was

1627
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 4: saying pretty, like pretty baby, like that's you know, that's

1628
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 4: that's that was my nickname to my grandmother. And they

1629
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 4: was like, she called you Penny. I was like, yeah,

1630
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 4: I just said yeah, Penny. So they hitting my house

1631
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 4: and my grandmas up on. They were like, Penny, there

1632
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 4: ain't no Penny there. So grandmother, that's me. I got it.

1633
01:11:59,240 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: I got it this me.

1634
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 4: So that's where it all started. From my grandmother saying

1635
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 4: pretty but to like her little southern draw, it became

1636
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 4: Penny and then the people in the neighborhood were just

1637
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 4: calling me Penny, and I took it and I rolled

1638
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 4: with that because in high school I wore number twenty

1639
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:18,560
Speaker 4: five because of Danny Manning. I love when it was

1640
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 4: in Kansas, right, And when I got to the league,

1641
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 4: Currishi know this. Ben Wilson get murdered in Chicago and

1642
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 4: seme on Nick Anderson already has twenty five. It's a

1643
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 4: sentimental number to him. And I was like, you know what,

1644
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 4: it's time to make Penny be number one. It's that

1645
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 4: I was always number twenty five. I'm gonna make I'm

1646
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 4: gonna get my number one. Start doing the endorsement thing

1647
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 4: with a penny, and I merged all that together just

1648
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 4: for the you know, all of the endorsements, and it

1649
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 4: just went and the then branding.

1650
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's how it went. It goes right together, man.

1651
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 5: I know how that brought this up to him before

1652
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 5: we was teammates on the knees. But the first time, listen, listen,

1653
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 5: this is the first time I didn't even get to

1654
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 5: meet him. This was the first time I saw Penny.

1655
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm I'm.

1656
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 5: I was thirteen years old at the Nationals at the

1657
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 5: AU Nationals in Memphis, Tennessee. We went to whatever the

1658
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 5: gym was. We pulling up to the gym and I

1659
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 5: can't remember, I want to say it with some type

1660
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 5: of truck. It was a blue truck you had with

1661
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 5: the one cent in the in the in the rims

1662
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 5: and that it might have been like a blazer or something.

1663
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 2: There was an explore, explore, that's what it was. It

1664
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 2: was like yeah, and I was.

1665
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 5: We was when we got out, everybody was everybody like, damn,

1666
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:33,759
Speaker 5: look at that truck, that truck.

1667
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: And then somebody said, look at the wheels. That's Penny

1668
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 2: car all of it, and all.

1669
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 5: You know, everybody started going crazy getting the gym and

1670
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 5: got it like that was the first time I ever

1671
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 5: got to see you in real life. But I say

1672
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 5: that to say this because like I always like the ass,

1673
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 5: like you know, like you said, we all come from

1674
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 5: the hood, humble beginners and stuff like that. I want

1675
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 5: to know what Penny did when you got that bag.

1676
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 5: Not we know mom, Grandma, we know you took here.

1677
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 5: I'm talking about along them lines.

1678
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 2: I'm this fly.

1679
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 5: You might look at it now like we probably definitely

1680
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 5: look at stuff like that. You know, went to the crib. Yeah,

1681
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get to that, cause that ain't even that.

1682
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 5: Ain't that, ain't this, that's some whole other stuff. But

1683
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 5: I just want to know on the one purchase what

1684
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 5: you did to go when you got the bag. You

1685
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 5: might look at it now like that was crazy, cause

1686
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 5: like the house, he can't say that's crazy. I know

1687
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 5: he got his money back for that. I'm talking about

1688
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 5: something that was like like a whip. You drove off

1689
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 5: the car off the show room floor and it already depreciated,

1690
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 5: like something that was just young boy wild.

1691
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 2: But you got it, so you did it.

1692
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. So when I first got it was definitely the

1693
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 4: whip game. I went and got a Lamborghini, a yellow

1694
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 4: Lamborghini because we was in Orlando. And then right after that,

1695
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 4: I want to got a white Lambone. Right after that

1696
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 4: that was so crazy, Bro.

1697
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 2: You stayed crazy. What exactly does right after that means?

1698
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 4: Because I about six months got a white I an't

1699
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 4: even let it rest. Got the yellow joint right here,

1700
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 4: the white joint right here. I'm like, bro, this is crazy.

1701
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 4: I got about out seven whips my first year. You know,

1702
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 4: it's hot, it's great need. And then I got that.

1703
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,640
Speaker 4: I didn't get the drop at first. I wanted to

1704
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 4: get the doors and suicide doors. I wanted to get

1705
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 4: the doors up. I mean, you know, like the doors

1706
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 4: that come up, the butterfly doors I wanted to get.

1707
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 4: I was like, Man, I always dreamed about that, And

1708
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 4: man Shack had this dude his name was Mark. He

1709
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 4: had like this custom shop. Well he would take the

1710
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 4: track and push the track further for us because you know,

1711
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 4: everything was like so bunched up for our height. So

1712
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 4: we get it pushed back further. And every time we

1713
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 4: get a whip, we say, hey, Mark, go ahead and

1714
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 4: just extend the uh uh yeah, the range on the seat, bro.

1715
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 4: And that's what that was the life right there, Bro.

1716
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 4: We had it in Orlando.

1717
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 5: And then this is what I want to add you

1718
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 5: because I remember, like the Miles brother when we got

1719
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 5: to come to your career about there in Phoenix, and like,

1720
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 5: wasn't that like that house was built for a queen

1721
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 5: or a princess or something and you tell me the

1722
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 5: story about ridiculous.

1723
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: It was like one of the biggest homes.

1724
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 5: I had I've ever been in to this point, Like

1725
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 5: it was land over here, spots over here, game room

1726
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 5: over here, kicking, like, how did you even? Like, how

1727
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 5: did that come about? Like how did you stumble across

1728
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 5: that piece in real estate?

1729
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 2: And who's who was? Was it the queen?

1730
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 4: It was a former queen that definitely lived there. But

1731
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 4: here's here's so crazy though, cute because you're gonna notice

1732
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 4: because you played in Phoenix.

1733
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 2: Man.

1734
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 4: When I first got there, coming from Orlando, I lived

1735
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 4: in a huge house. Greenery everywhere, water everywhere. I went

1736
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 4: to Phoenix when I signed, I'm looking at all these

1737
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 4: Rocks houses looking like they from bed Rock. I'm like, bro,

1738
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 4: find a house, said like. So I went in Scottsdale

1739
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 4: and started looking, started looking, started looking. I didn't like nothing.

1740
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, this house came on

1741
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 4: the market and I drove around there.

1742
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 2: Bro.

1743
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 4: It had the main house with six bedrooms. It had

1744
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 4: an office, and then they had an olympic pool in

1745
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 4: the back. Then it had an eight car garage, and

1746
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 4: then you go across the way, it had a two

1747
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 4: bedroom apartment, one bedroom room apartment. Yeah, the steamroom, locker

1748
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 4: rooms here or her locker room. It had another office,

1749
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 4: had a game room, bowling alley. And what I did

1750
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 4: I added like a barbershop, in the movie room downstairs

1751
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 4: in the main house, and man, I put like an

1752
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 4: eighteen whole little golf thing in the back, like a

1753
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 4: putt putt and bro. That house was ridiculous. Man. When

1754
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 4: my people came down the first time, like in February,

1755
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 4: they came down to visit, they went to the guest

1756
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 4: house and didn't even see the main house. They just

1757
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 4: went this house over there. They went to the guest

1758
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 4: house and I came outside. I was like, yeo, over

1759
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 4: here there were like, man, this is crazy house. The

1760
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 4: house was creat then it had a full court tennis

1761
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 4: and basketball court on the outside too.

1762
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 3: That house was blokers. Man, I can't forget the house.

1763
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 4: Man.

1764
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 2: That house is embedded in my head.

1765
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 3: And that was what twenty four years ago about that. Man,

1766
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I tell my whole boys to this

1767
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 3: day about that story.

1768
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 4: That house was crazy.

1769
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that crib was absolutely nuns. I remember that. That

1770
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 2: was like the hell, Like this is like you said,

1771
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 2: we go over there.

1772
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 5: It was like, oh, yeah, it's two bedroom apartment up

1773
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 5: there down here playing pool. Then it's a bowling that.

1774
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 5: It's like wait a minute, Like at that point I

1775
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 5: had never heard of nobody having no bowl out of

1776
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 5: in their hell. I mean obviously now it's like a

1777
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 5: regular thing. A lot of people got it. Like back

1778
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 5: then that was that was like I went, I'm telling everybody,

1779
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 5: like man Py got a bowling out in his career.

1780
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 2: Bro, y'all ain't say nothing.

1781
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,879
Speaker 4: The house man was probably I've seen a lot of houses.

1782
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 4: The house is second to none, bro, when it comes

1783
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 4: to everything, all the amenities that are Hooker Court. We

1784
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 4: had a movie room, we had a game room, we

1785
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 4: had the pool, we had it's everything that you want,

1786
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 4: it that you want it.

1787
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to ask you kind of current question

1788
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: because like we talked about the All Star Game and

1789
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: you played in the All Star Game with with Shaq Mike,

1790
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: Like want some of the best All Star games we

1791
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: have in the history of the game, and how competitive

1792
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 1: that was seeing todays how they got to do all

1793
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: this stuff to try to get these guys to play

1794
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: competitive in the All Star Game.

1795
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 3: Just explain to us the All Star games that you

1796
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 3: was in and.

1797
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 1: How Mike and all these top players approached them All

1798
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: Star games and had them great All Star games, and

1799
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,560
Speaker 1: to look at the ones today and be like, what

1800
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 1: are these guys doing while we got to trick you

1801
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: into or come up with a different scheme to get

1802
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,719
Speaker 1: you guys to play hard and give us a show

1803
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: on the best, you know, best weekend of the year.

1804
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so for us, it was a mutual respect for

1805
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 4: each other's game. But it wasn't no friendships like that

1806
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 4: where you was like when we played against each other,

1807
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 4: it was like East versus West were trying to murder them.

1808
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 4: We weren't even trying to be friends. We would respect

1809
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 4: each other, dap each other, what's up, boy, what's up?

1810
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 4: What's up? But when the game started, it was like

1811
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 4: a real game of us. It wasn't like you were

1812
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 4: proud to be there and be chosen, but it was

1813
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 4: like you was gonna show up and you was gonna

1814
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 4: be ready to play today. They're so cool and so close.

1815
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 4: They take vacations together, they're so connected and locked in

1816
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 4: together that I guess it's just made it to the

1817
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 4: point that where All Star Weekend and then they've been going.

1818
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 4: The same guys go every year, so it's like, man,

1819
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 4: now I'm really ready to go on vacation. I don't

1820
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 4: really want to do this. We took pride and being picked,

1821
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 4: and when we got to the game. We really wanted

1822
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 4: to give the people a show. We didn't want people

1823
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 4: coming and saying it wasn't a show. And now it's

1824
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 4: almost about the entertainment and not even about the game.

1825
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,719
Speaker 4: And it should be more about the game, Yeah for sure.

1826
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 5: Like what do you think of them splitting it up

1827
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 5: into all of these fourteen stuff they trying to do now?

1828
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,600
Speaker 2: I told me and d talk about when the first happen, I.

1829
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 5: Say, listen, call me old school whatever, East versus West

1830
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 5: and and fucking play like you say. You know what

1831
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 5: I'm saying that the big guys come in and set

1832
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 5: the tone and say, hey, we're gonna go tonight. You

1833
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, We gonna really bop the night.

1834
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 5: And like, if those the big, big name guys do that,

1835
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 5: everybody else fall in line.

1836
01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 4: Bro.

1837
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: That's how it's always gone.

1838
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that. It's just like any corporation

1839
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 4: or you know, like or entity or institution or whatever

1840
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 4: it is, the NBA is all about monetizing off a

1841
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 4: lot of things and also evolving, you know, so to me,

1842
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 4: David Stern back in the day was more about the game,

1843
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 4: but Adam Silver has taken it to another level. Respectfully

1844
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 4: and Recipees David Stern unbelievable commission. So it's out Adam Silver.

1845
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 4: They're always trying to invent the next thing to keep

1846
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 4: the consumer because all these different betting sites and all

1847
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,839
Speaker 4: these other stuff. How do I keep these people engaged

1848
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 4: in what's going on? So they're constantly coming up with

1849
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 4: so many different ways to water something down just to

1850
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 4: make the fans more excited. And as real players and

1851
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 4: players that did, it's like, ah, that ain't cool. You know,

1852
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 4: we want to see a real game, but they're bringing

1853
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 4: it more towards I guess the era now. Man, it's

1854
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 4: just some work.

1855
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 5: Like you say, I agree, something they worked for this

1856
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 5: era to keep them engaged and to make them want

1857
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 5: to playing it.

1858
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 2: So like me in.

1859
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 5: DCID, man, I'm always excited to see what's going on.

1860
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 5: We're gonna watch it anyway. So I hope, I hope

1861
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 5: the hell it work, and I hope they you know

1862
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, go out there and get after it

1863
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 5: because it ain't.

1864
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 2: Been in Yeah.

1865
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, people are down on it right now.

1866
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 1: You didn't play for a couple of teams, and you

1867
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: had a bunch of teammates out of all the teammates

1868
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 1: you done had over your whole NBA career, everybody in

1869
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: their prime. If you depict four other players in their

1870
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: prime with you at point or two whatever, it's whatever

1871
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: you want to play, who would beat them? For other

1872
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: players to make an ultimate.

1873
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 4: Team like out of my teammates over the years, Yeah.

1874
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 3: Any team you played for from whenever.

1875
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 4: The prime. So okay, I had a lot of old

1876
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 4: heads that came to Orlando to play with me. So

1877
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 4: the first one, obviously it would be shocked for sure.

1878
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 4: And then the other one, Dominique Wilkins played with us

1879
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 4: when he was like later his career, so I gotta

1880
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 4: get Niak in that thing too. That's what you shock

1881
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 4: and neat Jason Kidd because Jason Kidd was just an animal.

1882
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 4: And then I played with d Wade in Miami four years,

1883
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 4: so you got to think about d Wade is on

1884
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 4: their list too, and so he got d Wade, Shack, Dominique,

1885
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 4: Me and Jake.

1886
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: And j y'are small boss.

1887
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 5: So so you got jamall, d Waded, two, you and

1888
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 5: the three Dominique, Dominique at the scoring four and Shack

1889
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 5: in the middle.

1890
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 2: Of that's a that's that's right there. Y'all's that's that's

1891
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 2: a look. That's that's a nice five right there.

1892
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1893
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 4: So basically didn't nobody nobody knew played with me, but

1894
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 4: he did later in his career in Orlando, him and

1895
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 4: Jerald Wilkins did, because y'all all know, like later in

1896
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 4: the career, you play with older guys, man, they still

1897
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 4: trying to help a franchise win, and when you had

1898
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 4: a young franchise like we were, was bringing a lot

1899
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 4: of those those bet team Yeah.

1900
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy right there. That's that's a

1901
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: crazy five start bench trade. But we're gonna do We're

1902
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 1: gonna do a sneaker edition.

1903
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:09,839
Speaker 3: Okay, sneaker addition.

1904
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: So out of your collection of sneakers, which would you start?

1905
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: Which one did you benching? Which one would you trade?

1906
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 4: Mmm? Go, I would say I'm starting the original Penny

1907
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 4: one for sure.

1908
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 3: Because that's when it started with that blue check on

1909
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 3: that Jon.

1910
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, Yes sir, that was the one.

1911
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 2: Yes.

1912
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

1913
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 4: What I'm gonna bench probably is the phone because it

1914
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 4: came later, even though that's most my probably most popular shoe.

1915
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 4: And then I'm probably gonna trade the probably the Penny

1916
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 4: four because during that time I was injured, and I

1917
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 4: wasn't happy at all and has had nothing to do

1918
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 4: with Nike, But the Penny four was that line where

1919
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 4: I was just kind of trying to make it through

1920
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 4: and grasps it through and get back healthy. So I

1921
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 4: didn't really get the chance to really enjoy that shoe

1922
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 4: as much. So that's that's it in my line.

1923
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: Okay, uh start bench trade point guards. We're gonna go

1924
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: with Karen, Luca, Shae uh and who else?

1925
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 2: Uh?

1926
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 3: Dame Lillard?

1927
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 2: Oh wow, who would you start? Who would you bench?

1928
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 2: Who'd you trade?

1929
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 4: Man? That's crazy, bro, I might start Luca, bench Dame

1930
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 4: and trade Shack. I'm only going with the Vince like

1931
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 4: is probably one of them. He probably arguably the damn

1932
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 4: best guard in the league right now, on my list

1933
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 4: right now, and I love him. I actually coached against

1934
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 4: him when he was at Hamilton Heights here in Memphis,

1935
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 4: in the game against him, and I knew he was

1936
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 4: gonna be special, but not this special. So I'd have

1937
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 4: to go with Luca first and then Dame second, and

1938
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 4: then trade Shae. And that ain't that that's just respectfully

1939
01:25:59,439 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 4: to be honest.

1940
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ain't no right answer because you know, hey,

1941
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 2: let me ask you this, Penny.

1942
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 5: When you was winded down like as your as far

1943
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 5: as your hoop career, did you know or did you

1944
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 5: think that you would be going into coaching, Like what

1945
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 5: made you get into coaching?

1946
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1947
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 4: I had no idea I was going to go into coaching.

1948
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 2: Man.

1949
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 4: I went back eight. I had just got cut by

1950
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 4: the heat. You know, they just wanted to release all

1951
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 4: the best because they were trying to go get a

1952
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 4: top pick. And I think the top pick was Mike Beasley,

1953
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 4: d Rose and all them boards so rightfully, so they

1954
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 4: were trying to get one of them, and I think

1955
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 4: they ended up getting Beasley and I went back home.

1956
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 4: In one of my homies, if you saw the ESPN

1957
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 4: special thirty for thirty, he had gotten cancer and he

1958
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 4: was from the hood and he was teaching the little

1959
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 4: middle school that was in our neighborhood. So while he

1960
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,560
Speaker 4: was going through chemo, he asked me, excuse me, he

1961
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 4: asked me, could I come and help him coach the

1962
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 4: neighborhood team. And I did, and that's when I really

1963
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 4: got into coaching. But I didn't think I was gonna

1964
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 4: do that. I was gonna be working for ESPN. T

1965
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 4: and T trying to get in TV and try to

1966
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,560
Speaker 4: do some things and went home and he asked me

1967
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 4: to help them coach and I did and that's what

1968
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 4: all started.

1969
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 2: Then you just fell in love with it, Huh? Yeah.

1970
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 4: I fell in love with that group of kids that

1971
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 4: we started coaching, and man, had a good group. And

1972
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 4: from that point on, Man, I just enjoyed it. I

1973
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 4: really loved it and felt like that's why God gave

1974
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 4: me such a short, you know career as far as

1975
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 4: you know, being who I was, to get me back

1976
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,480
Speaker 4: to the neighborhood. Because I was back in my neighborhood

1977
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 4: coaching at the middle school where I went and coaching

1978
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 4: the kids that I grew up with their parents, and

1979
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 4: that was pretty cool.

1980
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:35,759
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1981
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 5: Did you ever think that you would be like coaching

1982
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 5: your old alma mater and you know, being able to

1983
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 5: impact you know, Memphis the way you are like, Cause

1984
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 5: that's not a lot of times somebody get to be,

1985
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:47,759
Speaker 5: you know, as big as you are in a sport

1986
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 5: and become what you became and then still be able

1987
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 5: to come back and actually coach.

1988
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 2: Most people didn't do it that big.

1989
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,600
Speaker 5: They too competitive, They too this, They too that like

1990
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 5: when it's somebody your stature.

1991
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 2: So how dope is that for you to be? You

1992
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 2: know you? You you are Memphis and then you you

1993
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 2: represent the university like that. Yeah.

1994
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 4: No, I didn't think I was gonna coach at the

1995
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 4: University of Memphis. It just got to a situation where,

1996
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 4: you know, the great Tubby Smith. Uh, the fans weren't

1997
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 4: respecting him enough, which is crazy because he's a legend

1998
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 4: in a Hall of Famer and one of only four

1999
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 4: black coaches to win a national championship maybe five one

2000
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 4: to five. But you know, it's just the marriage didn't

2001
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 4: work here in Memphis, and I was just finishing up

2002
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 4: at Memphis East with my last group of kids.

2003
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: And.

2004
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 4: Once they thought about getting rid of him, just the time,

2005
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:38,759
Speaker 4: it was perfect.

2006
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 5: Man.

2007
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 4: I never thought in a million years that I would

2008
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 4: be coaching here though, I never I never first first

2009
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 4: saw that, you know, just just conceded that would happen.

2010
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 4: And man, once it happened, it was it was. It

2011
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 4: was just crazy because everything came full circle.

2012
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 2: Mhm.

2013
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: Tell us, Uh, tell us more about about this year

2014
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 1: and what you expect this year. We just seen y'all

2015
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,759
Speaker 1: got a big win against the the finn the champs

2016
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: earlier this Yeah, that's that's something definitely to build up on.

2017
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 1: But you know your expectation this year going forward with

2018
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: the team and what you're looking forward to in the future.

2019
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously. You know in my early years, that competitive

2020
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 4: nature came out out of me and I was like,

2021
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 4: I'm ready to win a national championship right now. You know,

2022
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 4: it's just all of us have that in It's because

2023
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 4: to be great, you got to have that ambition, that fire,

2024
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 4: that grit to just say we're gonna go get it done.

2025
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,679
Speaker 4: And as I've gotten older, what I've learned is trying

2026
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 4: to be the best team in March. So for me,

2027
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 4: what we've done thus far is only scratched the surface,

2028
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 4: but it's also building. We're building a culture here, We're

2029
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,640
Speaker 4: building something that people want to be proud to be, Like, Hey,

2030
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 4: I go to Memphis or I'm going to Memphis and

2031
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 4: be in the same breath as all the blue bloods,

2032
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 4: kind of like how Gonzaga they worked their way up

2033
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 4: the ladder. It would have been Butler. If my man

2034
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 4: would have stayed and I went to the Celtics, Butler

2035
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 4: would have probably been in that same breath So Memphis

2036
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 4: isn't known as this powerhouse. We've been around for a while,

2037
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 4: but just trying to make it into a powerhouse. And

2038
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 4: the success we've had is because of the grind, the

2039
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 4: type of personalities and young men that we get here.

2040
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 4: So for me, my mentality is to grind and grow

2041
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 4: and be the best team playing in marsh in April

2042
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 4: and April and get to the NCAA tournament and then

2043
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 4: anything can happen.

2044
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely anything can happen in the tournament.

2045
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 5: Like listen, man, I always say, it's not for everybody,

2046
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 5: but if you could do it, like I salute y'all guys,

2047
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 5: like the former players to get out there and through

2048
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 5: it and coach and give back because, like I said,

2049
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 5: if you have that propensity to do it, and you

2050
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 5: have that ability and that skill, who better can you

2051
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 5: learn from?

2052
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 2: Who better can a player?

2053
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:41,919
Speaker 5: I don't care what level, especially if you a superstar,

2054
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 5: Like who better can you learn from from somebody that

2055
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 5: then set in the highest seats and did it at

2056
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 5: the highest level and did it under the biggest pressure ever,

2057
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 5: Like this is the perfect Like when you look at

2058
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 5: guys like when Stack was over at Vanderbilt, when you

2059
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,600
Speaker 5: know you and Memphis, when Wan was at Michigan, the

2060
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 5: Dion and out in Colorado like thees As Dudes and

2061
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 5: anybody else. I'm missing anybody else's coaching and doing life. Bro,

2062
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 5: we did it at the highest level. If you have

2063
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 5: that capacity to go out there and coach and give back,

2064
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 5: I automatically will say that we should be we fitted

2065
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 5: better because we've dealt with different things on different lovel

2066
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 5: Like you say, you also bring from the neighborhood and

2067
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 5: been from the same type of culture and background that

2068
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 5: a lot of these kids come from. And then you

2069
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,560
Speaker 5: couple that you saw the hurdles and the things you

2070
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 5: had to do to get out of that and things

2071
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 5: you gotta do to succeed. Nobody else better, nobody else better.

2072
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 5: So like I salute all our you know, all our

2073
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 5: alumni brothers. Is just getting out there and giving back

2074
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 5: and coaching and doing that because like call us say,

2075
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 5: we the best at that to me for real.

2076
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 4: And starting my mighty mouse. Yeah, dang, the am doing

2077
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 4: the hell of a job too.

2078
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 2: Man.

2079
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 4: You know what it is though, Q is it definitely

2080
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,639
Speaker 4: gives these young men early entry into the league because

2081
01:31:56,680 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 4: we're teaching them every single day. What is going to

2082
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 4: be like when they get to their dreams. They're gonna know,

2083
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,799
Speaker 4: They're gonna know the verbage, they gonna know the language,

2084
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 4: They're gonna know the plays. They gonna know how to

2085
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 4: read situations, they gonna know how to play out the concepts.

2086
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 4: They're gonna know how to do all this stuff before

2087
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 4: they get there. That's just giving you all the answers

2088
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 4: before you get there, bro, And that's that's a blessing

2089
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 4: rust to be able to do that for them.

2090
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got one more question before we get out

2091
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 3: of here.

2092
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 1: If you and Shaq never broke up and y'all could

2093
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 1: have got a team year twelve year run without the injuries,

2094
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 1: how many championships you think y'all would have won?

2095
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 4: I know one for sure without any injuries. I mean,

2096
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 4: Shaq was just so dominant. Man. You can say two,

2097
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:38,719
Speaker 4: but you know one for sure because that was happening,

2098
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 4: that was coming, and sometimes you can you can break

2099
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 4: things up too soon. And I think Shaq will See

2100
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 4: would not have broken up so soon because he still

2101
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 4: could have went to the Lakers later. But we were

2102
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 4: on our way. We were on our way because MJ

2103
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 4: only had so many years left, and once that happened,

2104
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 4: you know, we would have just kept getting pieces and

2105
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 4: been able to build something, man. And the way that

2106
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 4: we had already played and was playing, one would have

2107
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:03,560
Speaker 4: been the minimum. And you could have said four or

2108
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,600
Speaker 4: five for sure, because that's that's the level that we

2109
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 4: were on.

2110
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 2: Man.

2111
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 4: We were the best at our positions in the league,

2112
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 4: and we were dominant, and you kept adding pieces around

2113
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 4: that it was only gonna be a matter.

2114
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 2: Of time, only gonna be a thing.

2115
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was Bulls fanatic, but man, I

2116
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 1: loved them Orlando Magic too.

2117
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 2: Man.

2118
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 4: I got my respect in Chicago off there though. My

2119
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 4: dad live in Maywood and he was up there with

2120
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 4: Cordy mcgetty and those guys kind of helping them back

2121
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 4: in the day. And when I come to Chicago, Man,

2122
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 4: the entire city show number love because of how we

2123
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 4: played against the Bulls. And that's what that did for me, Man,

2124
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:42,639
Speaker 4: just beating Mike and beating Scotty, those guys. They gave

2125
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 4: me the respect in the shot that ain't gonna never

2126
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 4: be taken away. And that's love.

2127
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 2: That's up well, man, we appreciate it.

2128
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: Man.

2129
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 5: You pulling up on the guys a long time coming man.

2130
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 5: That's her heads with Penny Man Memphis.

2131
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 4: Luir. I appreciate y'all boys. Man, y'all doing a great job.

2132
01:33:59,280 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 2: Man.

2133
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 4: Keep keep being great at what y'all doing, man, because

2134
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 4: we need it. We gotta keep rocking with each other

2135
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 4: and keep supporting each other man, because we know life

2136
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 4: is short going on.

2137
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:13,760
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2138
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,760
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2142
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