Speaker 1: Welcome to the Psychology Podcast, where we give you insights
Speaker 1: into the mind, brain, behavior, and creativity. I'm doctor Scott
Speaker 1: Barry Kaufman, and in each episode I have a conversation
Speaker 1: with a guest. He will stimulate your mind and give
Speaker 1: you a greater understanding of yourself, others, and the world
Speaker 1: to live in. Hopefully we'll also provide a glimpse into
Speaker 1: human possibility. Thanks for listening and enjoy the podcast today.
Speaker 1: It's great to have coach Pete Carroll on the podcast.
Speaker 1: One of the three coaches to win a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: in college football national Championship, Pete Carrol is in his
Speaker 1: eleventh season as head coach of the Seattle Seahawks. With
Speaker 1: his unique always compete philosophy and relationship based approach, Carl
Speaker 1: has a combined forty six years of highly decorated NFL
Speaker 1: and collegiate coaching experience. Carl is also widely known for
Speaker 1: his all field impact through community initiatives that aim to
Speaker 1: reduce youth and gang violence. His leadership with the WE
Speaker 1: organization that focuses on youth empowerment compete to create the
Speaker 1: high performance mindset platform. He co founded the Performance Science
Speaker 1: Institute at USC that he co created to educate and
Speaker 1: inspire college students, and his New York Times best selling
Speaker 1: Win Forever book Coach Kyl. So great to chat with
Speaker 1: you today. What's up I'm doing. I'm good. It's great
Speaker 1: to talk to you. I I'm so impressed with all
Speaker 1: of all the things you're you're involved in. You're you're
Speaker 1: a busy guy. Well, we're trying to stay busy this
Speaker 1: time of year. You know, there's a there's a lot
Speaker 1: going on here. We're just starting an off season in
Speaker 1: the NFL virtually for the first time ever, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's just a lot to it,
Speaker 1: and so we're having a good time doing it. Our
Speaker 1: guys are making it through. We're taking it as a
Speaker 1: big challenge to see if we can do it really well.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what we're gonna get done. So we
Speaker 1: just finished our first week a couple of minutes ago. Oh, congrats.
Speaker 1: So what are some of the main goals you have
Speaker 1: and for this offseason? Well, what usually is the main
Speaker 1: goal is to find our work ethic, you know, and
Speaker 1: get back to it and rediscover that and start all
Speaker 1: over again. Never assume that we have that, and so
Speaker 1: that all comes through the process of the off seating,
Speaker 1: off season training program, the strength and conditioning program, and
Speaker 1: on the field work that we have that not being
Speaker 1: available to us. Right now, we're diving totally into the
Speaker 1: mental side of things and we're really digging in and
Speaker 1: trying to do a great job in all aspects of
Speaker 1: you know, what we can do to get smarter as
Speaker 1: a team, and it's the coaching staff and so that's
Speaker 1: all happening virtually. We're a zoom We're in a zoom
Speaker 1: reality right now, and that's kind of how we're doing.
Speaker 1: How our players coping. I mean, they're itching to play
Speaker 1: right well, yeah, they really are. We're itching to coach.
Speaker 1: Everybody's in chusing to get back out and do the
Speaker 1: things we did or made to kind of be on
Speaker 1: the field working and so the guys are still working
Speaker 1: out and they're doing their their preparation. But it's always
Speaker 1: dificult when you don't know what your deadlines are, you know,
Speaker 1: and you don't know when the game is going to be.
Speaker 1: So we just have to just keep going. It's really
Speaker 1: about attitude right now, and we've got to do a
Speaker 1: great job, you know, of maintaining it. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I really want to talk to you about today as
Speaker 1: your inner, inner mind, inner game approach to football. And
Speaker 1: I was reading your book When Forever, and you said
Speaker 1: in the book, I realized that at the core of
Speaker 1: my being, I was a competitor. And I was wondrying,
Speaker 1: how do you define the word competition and where does
Speaker 1: that word even come from? Yeah, okay, well, really the
Speaker 1: definition that I've chosen to live with this about striving
Speaker 1: to compete is to strive. And you know, it gets misused, misrepresented,
Speaker 1: and that people think that you got to try to
Speaker 1: beat somebody and rub their nose in the dirt kind
Speaker 1: of thing, you know, and so it has a connotation
Speaker 1: that you know, for us, I don't really care about that,
Speaker 1: but that's that is what happens, you know. So, but
Speaker 1: our definition is really about striving, and so you're striving
Speaker 1: to be your best. You're striving to become a better teacher,
Speaker 1: a better learner, a better coach, a better you know,
Speaker 1: podcast guru, you know, whatever it is. And so that's
Speaker 1: just the way it made sense to me, you know,
Speaker 1: when when I was back in the day when I
Speaker 1: was trying to figure all this out and trying to
Speaker 1: put my world together. I thought, well, you know, try
Speaker 1: to find myself and let's see if I can figure
Speaker 1: that out, you know, And so I wrote a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff down and nothing made sense until I said
Speaker 1: I'm a competitor, and then everything fell aside. And that's
Speaker 1: now become the central theme in our program. It's competition,
Speaker 1: you know, and everything is built around that. And the
Speaker 1: thought was, if I'm truly a competitor, then I wanted
Speaker 1: to design a philosophy that would come directly from what
Speaker 1: was most truly authentic to myself, so that I could
Speaker 1: do the best job of representing when you know, when
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity. So we compete everything, you know,
Speaker 1: we're working at through everything that we do, and it's
Speaker 1: given our whole program a lifeline kind of to something
Speaker 1: we can relate to and understand. And it's been really fun.
Speaker 1: It's worked out because competing fun, you know, when you're
Speaker 1: striving to get you know, whatever, whether you're trying to
Speaker 1: shoot more hoops than the next guy, or you know,
Speaker 1: catch more passes or whatever. There's a whole design that
Speaker 1: follows it, and we've really made it, you know, a
Speaker 1: championship type of mentality. I love that. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people think of competition as purely just sort
Speaker 1: of domination of someone else. You talk about things like
Speaker 1: realizing the best version of yourselves and helping people become
Speaker 1: the most competent human being they become, and finding purpose
Speaker 1: and that might not be something that people necessarily automatically
Speaker 1: associate with the word competition, right right, right, So that's
Speaker 1: what we're striving to attain that can you know, status
Speaker 1: or whatever, And so that's why we're competing. So always
Speaker 1: compete is really my philosophy, you know. And I'm a
Speaker 1: competitor and Centeral Team is a competition, so I'm all
Speaker 1: over it, you know. But it has given us. It's
Speaker 1: helped us with the process, you know, it's helped us
Speaker 1: with the mentality, help us with you know, attaining a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot that we have attained over the time.
Speaker 1: And you know, you'd be surprised, Scott that you might
Speaker 1: think that as far along as we're in this level
Speaker 1: of sports, that all we talked about is the is
Speaker 1: the championship, you know, the world championship or something. Well,
Speaker 1: that isn't what we that isn't the what we're beating
Speaker 1: the drum for we're beating the drum to play as
Speaker 1: well as we can play. And if everybody can find
Speaker 1: their best in the in the game that we're playing,
Speaker 1: then we're really hard to beat. We've learned that over
Speaker 1: the years, and you can win forever, like you know,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of where it came from. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're constantly striving to be your best,
Speaker 1: then that's all you can possibly hope for, you know.
Speaker 1: And so because you can, what is it what are
Speaker 1: you trying to get? You know, it's not about getting,
Speaker 1: it's about the process. So well, what does it mean
Speaker 1: to be your best on the field. It's more than
Speaker 1: just winning a game or or being your best in
Speaker 1: terms of talent, right, Yeah, it's it's it's trying to
Speaker 1: maximize what you have available, you know, and try to
Speaker 1: you know, generate the top of your the potential that
Speaker 1: you bring. And so that's it's hugely mental. And of
Speaker 1: course it all connects, so all the mental physical stuff
Speaker 1: has to connects. But it's it's to try to find
Speaker 1: it and then it's try to maintain it for as
Speaker 1: long as you can. I never thought about you know,
Speaker 1: you get it just when when the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: then you you know your life's over. You know, to
Speaker 1: me is how many can you win? How many times
Speaker 1: can you keep going back? And how many times can
Speaker 1: you stay on how long can you stay on top?
Speaker 1: And how long can you maintain successful? You know, success consistently.
Speaker 1: That that's really to me, that's what's important, and that's
Speaker 1: what I you know, that's why I say hey, people
Speaker 1: say hey, how are you doing? How's your program for you?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll tell you someday when we look
Speaker 1: back at it, you know, and we assess it from
Speaker 1: a mountain the distance somewhere, not right now, not when
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of it. Fair enough, I won't
Speaker 1: answer you that question. So you you wrote your book
Speaker 1: coaches are teachers and this is an area of mutual
Speaker 1: interests of ours as well, is just education more generally,
Speaker 1: And I was wondering how you some of these principles
Speaker 1: you apply as a coach, do you think could be
Speaker 1: applied by teachers in elementary school for instance? Yeah, for
Speaker 1: a long time I thought that, Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a little bit of a way
Speaker 1: of life for us, you know, and the way we
Speaker 1: think about everything, and whether you're teaching, or whether you're
Speaker 1: you know, a manager or in business, or you're a
Speaker 1: group leader, or you're a parent. You know, I think
Speaker 1: the principles apply, and the principles you know that we
Speaker 1: really talk a lot about it could be to create
Speaker 1: you know, it's really a big deal for us to
Speaker 1: relate on all levels to all people if we can,
Speaker 1: that's what we're striving for. And that means that we're
Speaker 1: trying to make sense that if you'll care for the
Speaker 1: people around you and and really care to the to
Speaker 1: the point where you want them to be the best
Speaker 1: they could possibly be, well, that's kind of like being
Speaker 1: a parent, you know what I'm saying. It's in your kids.
Speaker 1: It's not any different. And so it's it's perspective that
Speaker 1: it's made sense to me that if you really love somebody,
Speaker 1: you'll do anything to help them. And so if you
Speaker 1: really care, you'll do anything to help them get you
Speaker 1: get where they can go. And that's the mentality. And
Speaker 1: not many people see that as an NFL mentality, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't understand what that's all about. So we're trying
Speaker 1: to help people along the way, you know, figure themselves
Speaker 1: out see where they could go understand themselves and then
Speaker 1: and then hopefully keep striving to find the best that
Speaker 1: they have to offer. And so that's always been the way,
Speaker 1: and it's been fun. It's a fun pursuit because you're
Speaker 1: always working for the best for other people. Yeah, I bet,
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Speaker 1: So when you're recruiting new players for your team, what
Speaker 1: are some of the most important characteristics you're looking out for.
Speaker 1: Well that you know, for a team, they've got to
Speaker 1: be physically in the profile or close to it. So
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't join the NFL. Then, no matter
Speaker 1: how smart or woul thinks, you wouldn't hit the water
Speaker 1: if you fell out of a boat. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? No, you got to you gotta
Speaker 1: be physical, want to hit somebody, And I don't think
Speaker 1: you want to do that, and you shouldn't. You shouldn't
Speaker 1: want to do that. So I'll take that as a
Speaker 1: compliment exactly That's that's exactly right. But what we're looking
Speaker 1: for really when you get down to once we clear
Speaker 1: that the kind of the physical requirements that it takes is, uh,
Speaker 1: we're looking for the attitude that they bring and the
Speaker 1: mentality that they bring. And we're looking for Uh, if
Speaker 1: we had ideally set up it would start with passion.
Speaker 1: You know, they'd be passionate about what they're doing, and
Speaker 1: we would want to see people that know how to
Speaker 1: to keep coming back at you and keep and not
Speaker 1: give up and persevere, you know, and then we would
Speaker 1: hopefully build a relationship with the game that they play
Speaker 1: where they would develop an attitude where nothing is going
Speaker 1: to keep them from getting what they wanted to get
Speaker 1: or go where they wanted to go, and they could
Speaker 1: bounce back from whatever. And that's resilience. And I'm just
Speaker 1: talking right down, the right down the about grit, you know,
Speaker 1: and those are the elements that really are its forefront
Speaker 1: for you know, being great, and that's what we're looking for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'm just so interested in this and this is
Speaker 1: a common threat in my own career, trying to understand
Speaker 1: the role of talent versus the role of other factors.
Speaker 1: And I was reading into your your own personal history
Speaker 1: and when you got to high school your freshman year,
Speaker 1: you were maybe not the strongest, shall we say, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be polite the real bank. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: look like the team mascot, you know, Suberty had passed
Speaker 1: me by or missed me or something of flowing over
Speaker 1: the house or something like that. One hundred and ten pounds.
Speaker 1: And I was a freshman in high school and uh,
Speaker 1: I mean my in the in the team picture, I
Speaker 1: looked like a little kid sitting next to everybody else,
Speaker 1: you know. But but you became a multi uh sport
Speaker 1: star in high school. This is the point I want
Speaker 1: to make here, is that you know you still what
Speaker 1: did what did you bring to the table there? Then? Well,
Speaker 1: during that time, you know, up until that, everything had
Speaker 1: been cruising along pretty well. I was doing all right
Speaker 1: and playing a lot of sports, and playing baseball, basketball
Speaker 1: and football. And then when that happened, I kind of
Speaker 1: I was almost out of the I was out of
Speaker 1: the profile in the sense, and so what happens, I
Speaker 1: got pissed. You know, I was mad, man. I was
Speaker 1: mad that I couldn't because I had this vision of
Speaker 1: who I was and within and I couldn't project it
Speaker 1: where anybody else even knew. So I just had to
Speaker 1: sit there and wait it out. You know. A couple
Speaker 1: of years later, I started growing a little bit and
Speaker 1: caught up a little bit and got back in the
Speaker 1: in the frey kind of. And by the time I
Speaker 1: was a freshman in college, I went to junior college,
Speaker 1: still developing and that's you know, I got my full
Speaker 1: height and waight then, you know, and it took a
Speaker 1: long time. So that for me and a kid that
Speaker 1: had really high expectations, it was really it was a struggle.
Speaker 1: And I was so frustrating because it was like it
Speaker 1: was like a bad dream. You know, I just couldn't
Speaker 1: I couldn't get my own way. I couldn't get going
Speaker 1: and get started. See. I really resonated with that story,
Speaker 1: just just being People thought I was slow when I
Speaker 1: was young because I had an auditory thing and I
Speaker 1: was mad the same way you were mad. That's like,
Speaker 1: well I think I'm capable of more, right, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that sort of interfire you have it. I love that.
Speaker 1: I really love hearing stories like that. I want to
Speaker 1: read a quote from Bill Walton. He said, what I
Speaker 1: love about Michael Jordan is that he was not the
Speaker 1: best at anything. He was not the biggest, he was
Speaker 1: not the strongest, he was not the highest jumper. But
Speaker 1: he was incredibly incredible, incredibly smart, and incredibly disciplined and driven.
Speaker 1: Do you have players like that on your team? Sure?
Speaker 1: We do. For years, you know, we've we've had a
Speaker 1: team that was made up of half of our guys
Speaker 1: were draftees and half of whom were free agents, you
Speaker 1: know that we acquired as it weren't drafted. And the
Speaker 1: year we won the Super Bowl, I think we had
Speaker 1: twenty six of the fifty three guys were undrafted players,
Speaker 1: you know. And so that that's a common theme, you know,
Speaker 1: in sports and performing not just sports, is any performance
Speaker 1: oriented environment and in work environments too. It's the same
Speaker 1: that the people who have the deepest desire and the
Speaker 1: most passion for for proving who they are. Uh and
Speaker 1: and and they also really it's the elements of gritic
Speaker 1: goes back to those that will kind of hang through
Speaker 1: the hard times and the tough times. They don't back
Speaker 1: down and quit the or or side step. They go
Speaker 1: right through it and stay after it. You know. It's
Speaker 1: that mentality. And the easy way to explain is the
Speaker 1: chip on the shoulder mentality. But what really is Scott's
Speaker 1: people have some they have really something to prove in
Speaker 1: whatever they're they're they're finding their purpose in and that
Speaker 1: that that the power to prove that is what drives
Speaker 1: them beyond what normal you know people would would inspire like.
Speaker 1: And so that's really what's crucial and when you go
Speaker 1: back to what are you looking for, I'd rather play
Speaker 1: with those guys. I'd rather play with the guys like
Speaker 1: if I was going when it gets right down to
Speaker 1: it and you're picking players, I'm going to pick the
Speaker 1: guy that I want to play with, the guy that
Speaker 1: I would want if I'm playing a game in the park,
Speaker 1: that guy on my team. And that's not always the
Speaker 1: best athlete or the guy that's got all the accolades
Speaker 1: and all the person that wants to fight artists, you know,
Speaker 1: And so we've built our team around that mentality for years.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. So tell me a little bit about Compete
Speaker 1: to create. What's its mission? Well, the mission is to
Speaker 1: help people find the best and simply, and that means
Speaker 1: that we're going wherever we got to go and work
Speaker 1: and wherever we can work to help people people, you know,
Speaker 1: see what they're capable of doing and then in essence,
Speaker 1: coach them along the way and show them why they're
Speaker 1: worthy of dreaming the way they dream and seeing what
Speaker 1: they see for their future and trying to help them
Speaker 1: manifest that and bring it to lights. So we do
Speaker 1: it with a real, real clear sense of how valuable
Speaker 1: it is to demonstrate that you care. You know, and
Speaker 1: when you care for people and you listen to them
Speaker 1: and you'll look after them, and you'll learn what's important
Speaker 1: to them, and you'll you'll pour yourself into what so
Speaker 1: that you can serve them the best and compete to create.
Speaker 1: That's really important us that we translate that. We think
Speaker 1: that if you take just like all teams I've ever
Speaker 1: been around, if you treat people in that with that
Speaker 1: thought that you're going to help them find their best
Speaker 1: and you really truly care and you're gonna you relentlessly
Speaker 1: are in pursuit of that. They're gonna know that and
Speaker 1: they're gonna feel it, and they're gonna also they're going
Speaker 1: to recognize that value that maybe they others hadn't recognized
Speaker 1: in them, and they'll perform at a higher level. They'll
Speaker 1: find a deeper sense of loyalty and connectedness, uh, and
Speaker 1: they'll they'll give you everything they got. And we've just
Speaker 1: found over the years, if we can connect with players
Speaker 1: like that, we were more consistent than other people. So
Speaker 1: it sounds like an addition to grit, you also have love.
Speaker 1: That's a big characteristic that you promotelt I didn't always
Speaker 1: know that, you know, Scott, when I was coming along
Speaker 1: but that but I realized that that that really what
Speaker 1: was driving it, you know, was the care for the people,
Speaker 1: and in essence, it's the love. And the easiest way
Speaker 1: for me to explain it is if you look at
Speaker 1: like a parent, like I said, you know, how would
Speaker 1: you go about helping your children become what they can become?
Speaker 1: You'll do whatever you can think of. Well, to me,
Speaker 1: that's how we live Compete to Create and try to
Speaker 1: translate that and offer that to other people to understand that.
Speaker 1: So I'd like to take a moment to talk about
Speaker 1: Pete's company, Compete to Create, since we're talking about it
Speaker 1: as a thank you to all the frontline workers for
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Speaker 1: and leadership that we're talking about right now and also
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Speaker 1: for free for anyone working with COVID nineteen throughout the
Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty. So that's a pretty good offer there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a time for us to we're all introspective right now.
Speaker 1: We have this special time with our families and staying
Speaker 1: home and all of that. And those that will visit
Speaker 1: the course, they'll see that it begins with self discovery.
Speaker 1: It really starts very early there and takes you through
Speaker 1: the process of uncovering some of the things that you
Speaker 1: just haven't recognized or realized about yourself as you move forward,
Speaker 1: and self discovery process is so crucial, Scott. You know
Speaker 1: in your own work, that is what it's all about.
Speaker 1: You know, you meet the challenges and meet the needs
Speaker 1: that you have, and as you step along your way.
Speaker 1: You eventually get to the point where you understand yourself
Speaker 1: better and more clearly, and you develop your authenticity, and
Speaker 1: you get stronger as you move, and you become, you know,
Speaker 1: two version of what you're capable of being. You're talking
Speaker 1: my language, brother, talking to my language. A thing was
Speaker 1: out there because it's kind of a little bit of
Speaker 1: a forgotten art, and I'm really fired up proud for
Speaker 1: you that you've been able to put it together in
Speaker 1: such a beautiful book and transcendence and hopefully you're gonna
Speaker 1: the people that will read it will be will beuh
Speaker 1: be transformed. So thank you. That really means a lot
Speaker 1: to me. So yeah, let's unpack authenticity for a second.
Speaker 1: What does authenticity look like in this in a sports context?
Speaker 1: What do you think like the healthiest form of authenticity
Speaker 1: looks like? Well, it's interesting, you know, you'd ask, because, uh,
Speaker 1: it's on many levels. You know, authenticity on many levels.
Speaker 1: No one is knowing you know truly who you are.
Speaker 1: You can think of it as a person individual. Okay,
Speaker 1: guy really knows himself really well, he's confident and all that,
Speaker 1: and the steps you know, to his own beaten and all.
Speaker 1: But a team can also know who they are, and
Speaker 1: they can be in that great sync with the capabilities
Speaker 1: and the makeup and the mentality that they all share
Speaker 1: and become really one mind. And that's it's truly what
Speaker 1: championship teams wind up, uh, you know, transitioning, transforming or
Speaker 1: transcending to you know. Uh, that's that's what in my coaching,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm after. I'm trying to help teams figure
Speaker 1: out really who they are and then we just once
Speaker 1: we latch onto that, then it's our it's our challenge
Speaker 1: to consistently represent that and ils demonstrate and illustrate that
Speaker 1: when we when we come to game time. So to me,
Speaker 1: authenticity has known who you are and then and consistently,
Speaker 1: you know, being the person you know yourself to be.
Speaker 1: You know, that's or being the team you know yourself
Speaker 1: to be. And it's it's quite clear. I know it's
Speaker 1: a theme with your work. You know your your your
Speaker 1: belief in the importance of self belief is huge, right.
Speaker 1: Self talk is enormous, you know, positive supportive self talk,
Speaker 1: That mechanism uh for growing and learning and really being
Speaker 1: authentic is so huge because you can talk yourself out
Speaker 1: of anything or talk yourself in almost anything, you know
Speaker 1: it's true. So where there's a real discipline too. If
Speaker 1: you believe that, then there's a real discipline to the
Speaker 1: kind of self talk that will support who you are
Speaker 1: and what you're all about. So what's the difference between
Speaker 1: unbelievable self belief and narcissism? Where do you draw the line? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't understand narcissism that well, you know
Speaker 1: as it you know, you know, I don't really understand
Speaker 1: that well, but I would say that it's all about truth.
Speaker 1: It's really truth. Are you? Are you that what you
Speaker 1: say you are? Are you that? What you as you act?
Speaker 1: And I think I would think that narcissism has to
Speaker 1: do with something that you wish you were and something
Speaker 1: that you would hope that people would see you as
Speaker 1: in yours and that's what you You live to that standard,
Speaker 1: and so the truth isn't there, you know, And so
Speaker 1: maybe that's that's that's that as easy I can say, well,
Speaker 1: I think you nailed it. You nailed it. That's that's
Speaker 1: what hundreds of psycho logical research studies support. Is what
Speaker 1: you just said. Okay, that makes that makes you feel
Speaker 1: any better? Well, you know, lucky you looked at Yeah,
Speaker 1: because narcissism really is about defending an image that you
Speaker 1: have of yourself that might not be true, right, and
Speaker 1: defending it at all costs. It seems to me like
Speaker 1: growth requires the form of self belief you're talking about,
Speaker 1: which is and that sometimes that may mean being vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Dare I say use such a word, or or or
Speaker 1: opening yourself up to failure, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I would think our friend Brene Brown would say, it
Speaker 1: is about vulnerability, you know, It's about being willing, you know,
Speaker 1: willing to put yourself out there and because you know
Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do, and that if you
Speaker 1: really believe in yourself and you're really trusting yourself, then
Speaker 1: you you know that you're going to make it through it,
Speaker 1: you know, And so that's you know, that's great work.
Speaker 1: It takes great work for individuals to get to that point.
Speaker 1: But that willingness to be vulnerable is where like she said,
Speaker 1: you know, put yourself out there there to lead, you know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that's her first book, you know,
Speaker 1: and she was She's the foremost authority there is, I
Speaker 1: think on vulnerability. And she would say right off the
Speaker 1: bat that it's only courage only comes through vulnerability. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She's been on the Psychology podcast. Yeah, so you're in
Speaker 1: good company. We just had a podcasts the other day
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. So I love that podcast
Speaker 1: with you and Steve Kerr. Right, yeah, that's fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so much, so great. So do you ever give
Speaker 1: pep talks to your players where you use the word vulnerability. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brene's talk to our team. She's come in and visited
Speaker 1: with our club and so yeah, and we're constantly trying
Speaker 1: to help our guys evolve to the point where they're
Speaker 1: okay about that. And as she told us, she remind
Speaker 1: us the other day, you have to build an environment
Speaker 1: where it's okay. You know, somebody says something like you know,
Speaker 1: I was really scared to make that tackle or something
Speaker 1: like that, and everybody they will fetch you and they
Speaker 1: get well, you know, when's that going to say that again?
Speaker 1: You know, So you have to build And she was
Speaker 1: talking about building a container. I think of a sense
Speaker 1: of an environment that will allow for people to be
Speaker 1: vulnerable and support people to be vulnerable and realize that, hey,
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool that you did that, because we
Speaker 1: know that was hard. That was tough to say what
Speaker 1: you just said. And so you know, our whole process, really,
Speaker 1: Scott is it's a one big session of trying to grow,
Speaker 1: you know, and and take advantage and capture the teachable
Speaker 1: opportunities and grow as much as we can. And that
Speaker 1: makes us better. It makes us better as people, It
Speaker 1: makes us better as a teammate, and certainly makes us
Speaker 1: a better club too. You know, when Brene when I
Speaker 1: were talking on the podcast, we talked about the link
Speaker 1: between vulnerability and creativity, and creativity is interesting. I'd love
Speaker 1: to get your own perspective on creativity because merely being
Speaker 1: an expert doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be creative
Speaker 1: and flexible out there on the field when you have
Speaker 1: to share your expertise in a certain way. So I'm
Speaker 1: wondering how you try to cultivate creativity among your players
Speaker 1: as well. Okay, well, the first thought has that that
Speaker 1: creativity comes from taking a chance. You got to take
Speaker 1: a risk, and you got to, you know, because you
Speaker 1: put yourself out there. You know, say like you're painting
Speaker 1: the picture. You know, paint a picture somebody, if somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna look at it, you know, you're going to get
Speaker 1: you know, observed, and you're going to get critiqued and
Speaker 1: all that you got it. You know, maybe our artists
Speaker 1: have such a hard time, you know, because you put
Speaker 1: yourself out there so much, you know. But how we
Speaker 1: develop and look for creativity to show up is through
Speaker 1: the discipline. It's through the repetitions. It's through the practice
Speaker 1: that that you just practice without critique won't get it done,
Speaker 1: but practice with getting coached it will. It will help you,
Speaker 1: meaning that as you get better through the repetitions and
Speaker 1: you start to develop skill. When when it's a coach
Speaker 1: shows you that you're getting better, a coach reminds you
Speaker 1: of what you know, what you're capable of doing, and
Speaker 1: they kindstant they're challenging you to do more because they
Speaker 1: know they see it in you. And so there as
Speaker 1: it happens, what my biggest job is to show us
Speaker 1: how good we are. I got to show I guess
Speaker 1: how good they are, and so that they can own
Speaker 1: that and feel worthy enough to trust themselves. And that's
Speaker 1: where confidence comes from. And so it's from that accomplishment
Speaker 1: in your process where the creativity can start to speak.
Speaker 1: It's through the discipline of the art. You know, and
Speaker 1: I've used the example over the years, like if you
Speaker 1: teach somebody to play Mary had a little lamb on
Speaker 1: the piano, you know, and they just dink their way
Speaker 1: through it, and you say, Okay, come back next week,
Speaker 1: but practice this every day for two hours. By the
Speaker 1: time they get back to you, a novice can start
Speaker 1: playing with it and they can show a little different rhythm,
Speaker 1: and they can put a little slide on it. They
Speaker 1: can they can make it sound like it's stepped up,
Speaker 1: and it's like they jazz it up because they've developed
Speaker 1: the skill that allows them the uninhibited creativity. That's where
Speaker 1: the freedom comes from from the skill. So to me
Speaker 1: that the creativity comes through that process. When you feel
Speaker 1: like you have a real sense for something and you
Speaker 1: believe in it, now you're ready to express it, that's
Speaker 1: when the greatest creativity occurs. So you see that as
Speaker 1: a major characteristic differentiating good athletes from great athletes, oh,
Speaker 1: without question. And it comes from the successes and the confidence.
Speaker 1: It's not just the athleticism. That's not it. You to
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, if you're watching Last Dance
Speaker 1: that's on on ESPN, I love it. I love it
Speaker 1: because that's my childhood right there. Yeah, Yeah, in incredible
Speaker 1: sequence that we're watching of them teaching us what it
Speaker 1: was like. But you see that, you see the greatness
Speaker 1: in Michael Jordan is is his drive and passion to
Speaker 1: be unstoppable. Well, there's other people that are like that too,
Speaker 1: but they don't have his gifts. Now, I know that
Speaker 1: often talked about him not having this or that one.
Speaker 1: Michael's pretty freaking down. He could jump, he could lead,
Speaker 1: you know, he was quick, he was explosive. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was all those things. And now you add that
Speaker 1: passion to now you see what that's like. Kobe, you
Speaker 1: see the greatest of all time, you know, and you
Speaker 1: see it's really interesting that it's so clear to watch
Speaker 1: it in basketball and that sport in particular. There's such
Speaker 1: freedom there in that in that game and and all
Speaker 1: that you can see the de straordinary unique, you know,
Speaker 1: special quality of those guys have. Yeah, let's unpack that
Speaker 1: for a second, because you talk about vision and you
Speaker 1: differentiate that sometimes from a personal philosophy. I was wondering
Speaker 1: if you could talk about the difference between those two
Speaker 1: and then I want to get back to Kobe in
Speaker 1: a second. Well, Philosophy is like, it's the collection of
Speaker 1: your beliefs. To me, you know, it's all the things
Speaker 1: that you believe in and you put it together and
Speaker 1: you have them up and then you kind of see
Speaker 1: that maybe there's a common theme in there somewhere, there's
Speaker 1: you know, some some commonality that you can you can
Speaker 1: state that this represents, you know, what I believe. You know,
Speaker 1: always compete because there's I can't make it. It's as
Speaker 1: simple as I can make it. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: not very involved philosophy, but it's just you know, so
Speaker 1: but that that's so it's philosophy and me is a
Speaker 1: collection of beliefs. And uh and what else did you
Speaker 1: ask about? You asked about, Uh, how is that different
Speaker 1: from you? Well? Yeah, vision is kind of uh, that's
Speaker 1: that's what what you're shooting for. You know that that's
Speaker 1: what you think you can become. And it is what
Speaker 1: gives you purpose. You know if the vision, the vision
Speaker 1: to be something or somewhere or to create something is
Speaker 1: what gives you the purpose. You know, without purpose, you
Speaker 1: know you're going to be flapping in the wind. So
Speaker 1: philosophy is kind of how you uh, you know, how
Speaker 1: you what you believe in. And then the vision is
Speaker 1: is is a way of stating what your purpose is,
Speaker 1: you know, how how you're going to carry that philosophy,
Speaker 1: Like I can carry the philosophy I have, I think,
Speaker 1: to a football team, but I could, I think I could.
Speaker 1: I could work in a school, or I could work
Speaker 1: in a in a office building, you know, yeah, with
Speaker 1: that philosophy, but I choose to do it in football.
Speaker 1: That's my vision. My vision is to as a football coach,
Speaker 1: you know, in the end, to help help people be
Speaker 1: play football teams. And so so to me, I think
Speaker 1: the vision to me, I don't is right at all.
Speaker 1: I have no clues, but visions a purpose, you know,
Speaker 1: it connects to purpose. Yeah, So the vision. It's interesting
Speaker 1: because you see in these individuals like Michael Jordan and
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. You do see these very early. You see
Speaker 1: the seeds of it very very early. That kind of vision.
Speaker 1: I always I'm fascinated because I also I studied in
Speaker 1: my career prodigies those who by the age of ten
Speaker 1: have a fully formed thing, but they knew they made
Speaker 1: it such a connection like Yoyoma made a connection to
Speaker 1: Cello when he was very very young. He said, this
Speaker 1: is me Howard Gardner's called Howard Gardner calls it the
Speaker 1: crystallizing experience. And I actually I went to middle school
Speaker 1: in high school with Kobe Bryant, and and I noticed
Speaker 1: even in middle school he was in eighth grade when
Speaker 1: I was in sixth grade. But we would watch him
Speaker 1: play in we're talking about an eighth grader, but he
Speaker 1: played I can I could. I could imagine remember in
Speaker 1: my head he'd play as though he was Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: but not like all of us played like we're you know,
Speaker 1: like we want to be like Mike. He played like
Speaker 1: with this intensity that was like in his head, he
Speaker 1: was already Michael Jordan, you know. And it was clear
Speaker 1: that so the seed was just so there. And I
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by all of the genetic, environmental factor, all
Speaker 1: the factors that combine. But you too, tend to see
Speaker 1: with this kind of level of greatness. You do just
Speaker 1: tenden see very very early, some vision is kind of
Speaker 1: already planted in them. It's it's fascinating to me to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had an early connection with greatness, you know, and
Speaker 1: he was already on and that's why he works on it.
Speaker 1: How do you ever find that work? Ever, four years
Speaker 1: after years and eighth grader, he was in the NBA.
Speaker 1: I know, that's right, four years later. You know what
Speaker 1: we do when you left high school, you know, you
Speaker 1: imagine playing against you know, the great players are playing.
Speaker 1: But he could he couldn't see anything but that. And
Speaker 1: I see that, uh in Russell Wilson, you know, on
Speaker 1: our team, and he he just has this vision for greatness.
Speaker 1: And then he's been on course to be great as
Speaker 1: far back as he can remember, you know, inspired by
Speaker 1: his father and his mother and the family. But it
Speaker 1: was more than that. I mean, you know, he didn't
Speaker 1: have all of those same attributes that that Kobe had.
Speaker 1: Now Kobe didn't either when he was an eighth grader,
Speaker 1: but he certainly had the connection with greatness, and uh,
Speaker 1: we don't see it. We don't see it often enough.
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's I wish I wish it would
Speaker 1: show up more. It's so obvious sports because it's on TV.
Speaker 1: You can watch it, you know. But I'm sure that
Speaker 1: there's you know, greatness in moms and dads and architects
Speaker 1: and doctors and you know, and teachers and all that too.
Speaker 1: And we just don't get to see it enough. But
Speaker 1: it's there. I love that, and I completely agree. It's
Speaker 1: all around us, and we often miss it because we're
Speaker 1: looking at the wrong metrics like we do in school.
Speaker 1: So you have this quote you said, without purpose and meaning,
Speaker 1: there won't be winning. Well, that's a really unique take
Speaker 1: on things I can't imagine and every coach thinks that way.
Speaker 1: So why do you think purpose and meaning can increase
Speaker 1: your chances of winning in sports? You have to you
Speaker 1: have to have direction, you know, you have to you
Speaker 1: have to be driven, and so you need to be
Speaker 1: Purpose gives you clarity and then and then it's got
Speaker 1: to really mean something to you, you know. And and uh,
Speaker 1: that's why you know, I'm talking about passion right but
Speaker 1: you know we have our friend Angela deck with it.
Speaker 1: She helped me with with with verbiage and terminology, and
Speaker 1: she she gave me a real leap forward by using
Speaker 1: you know, passion and perseverance Brasilien. So those those, those
Speaker 1: are those need to be necessary. I mean they're necessary
Speaker 1: if you do great things, you know, and and uh,
Speaker 1: and if you're if you don't have purpose and you
Speaker 1: don't know where to put your this unique greatness. Whatever
Speaker 1: you have you don't have, you need somewhere to put it,
Speaker 1: you know. And we see people that want through their
Speaker 1: lives and they don't they don't get connected, and it's
Speaker 1: it's a terrible you know miss you for to miss
Speaker 1: out on on purpose when you have that drive that
Speaker 1: they just can't quite get it focused. You know. That's
Speaker 1: what we do as coaches. We try to help guys
Speaker 1: channel you know, this what they bring to the game,
Speaker 1: and uh, I think you can do it. And people
Speaker 1: working in the office buildings too. It's one of the
Speaker 1: things I think that then see to see I come
Speaker 1: back to that one is that we're hoping to teach
Speaker 1: people in the business setting that if you if you
Speaker 1: champion the people in your in your organization and figure
Speaker 1: out who they are and learn what they're all about
Speaker 1: and and care so much that you bring out who
Speaker 1: they are and make it okay for them to be them,
Speaker 1: they're going to perform better for you and your company
Speaker 1: is going to be way better. I mean, it's going
Speaker 1: to be way better than somebody's sitting there and afraid
Speaker 1: to say who they are, what they're all about. And
Speaker 1: so that's it's all that thinking Scott that you know,
Speaker 1: the tight us together, that it connects you and I
Speaker 1: also with your background and your your purpose and you
Speaker 1: know mine and my purpose and uh on it. You know,
Speaker 1: we're on something really special, I think absolutely. And speaking
Speaker 1: of our common thread, how has humanistic psychology influenced your
Speaker 1: own personal philosophy? People like Carl Rogers and Abraham Maso
Speaker 1: have they influenced you? Yeah? Yeah, I got way back
Speaker 1: at the day, you know, and there's not many of
Speaker 1: us left, you know, humanistic psychology is like almost prehistoric.
Speaker 1: But what it made sense to me back when I
Speaker 1: was in graduate school, you know, back at the univers
Speaker 1: of Pacific and a couple of instructors were were just
Speaker 1: kind of figuring it out and just kind of uncovering it.
Speaker 1: We were reading, you know stuff, and towards Psychology of
Speaker 1: Being was was one of the books that that was
Speaker 1: at the foundation from maybe have Maslow, you know, and
Speaker 1: and I think Carl Rodgers had on becoming or something
Speaker 1: like that was becoming a person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: those those concepts, for whatever reasons got there made sense
Speaker 1: to me in that I did my thesis, my my
Speaker 1: my graduate thesis on compare connecting the highest achieving athletes
Speaker 1: in sports with their as they measured up towards self
Speaker 1: actualization on a on an inventory that I found, you know,
Speaker 1: And so I was trying to compare the level of
Speaker 1: self actuation actualization with with their level of achievement in
Speaker 1: the sport. You know. It was the worst study of
Speaker 1: all time. He no significant difference anywhere and anything, but
Speaker 1: it showed you what the connection had already been made
Speaker 1: for me, you know, and I you know, I couldn't help,
Speaker 1: but it just it just did. And I've been kind
Speaker 1: of in pursuit of making sense of that for a
Speaker 1: long time. There's a couple of us out there, Scott.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, that's pretty badass. Where when we
Speaker 1: need him? You know? Yeah? Yeah. Do you think he'd
Speaker 1: be a Seahawks fan or an Eagles fan? I say
Speaker 1: that because I'm yeah, he'd be a freaking Seahawks fan.
Speaker 1: I don't want him over Okay, I'll let that go. Okay,
Speaker 1: you say every day should be a kind of super Bowl,
Speaker 1: Well I love that, But can you operate a little
Speaker 1: bit on that what that means? Well, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was an original thought as
Speaker 1: much as you know, was learned thought and one of
Speaker 1: my early mentors, you know, John Wooden, you know, to
Speaker 1: make every day a masterpiece? Why would you not? Why
Speaker 1: would you not go out and just to create the
Speaker 1: best day you can possibly create? I don't know, why
Speaker 1: what are you thinking if you don't go for it?
Speaker 1: You know, And so so that's basically where it comes from.
Speaker 1: It's it's, you know, the pretty optimistic, pretty positive way
Speaker 1: of looking at things. But why wouldn't you make each
Speaker 1: day a great day? And it's to me, the main
Speaker 1: point of that is it's a choice. You know. We
Speaker 1: we make choices on how we've decided to live our
Speaker 1: lives and we're the only ones that really control that.
Speaker 1: We can feel like we're controlled by everybody else, but
Speaker 1: we're the ones, you know. And so that's why I
Speaker 1: always come back to, you know, we have the power
Speaker 1: to choose as we want to live this thing, and
Speaker 1: then we're up against it. We got to fight our
Speaker 1: way through it until we get, you know, get where
Speaker 1: we need to go and easy. It's hard, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's why you got to keep coming back. And
Speaker 1: that's why it's so important to have a mentality that
Speaker 1: allows you to because otherwise you kind of well, you know,
Speaker 1: this is what it is, and I got nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: You know, I understand that, and I understand why where
Speaker 1: people get there, and and but if through on my team,
Speaker 1: I'll coaching them up trying to get out of that.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I want to be on your team.
Speaker 1: You're very uplifting. We're on the same team. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? We're on the same team. Then I
Speaker 1: should say I'm glad that I'm on your team, because
Speaker 1: your team. If you write a book called Transcendence, man,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Uh well, it's called transcend Good.
Speaker 1: There you go. But no, I you're very uplifting. And
Speaker 1: you know, every time I talk to you, I leave
Speaker 1: wanting to win a super Bowl in whatever that looks
Speaker 1: like in my own personal life. No, no, we don't
Speaker 1: win this field. We don't want to win the super
Speaker 1: Bowl necessarily. We want to be the best we can be, Scotty,
Speaker 1: be the best, be the best we could be. That's
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Those championships they come, they come, they come
Speaker 1: to you. You know, when you when you're right, they emerge.
Speaker 1: They want to happen, to happen. It's kind of like transcendence.
Speaker 1: It emerges. It's not the transcend well, transcendence is a word.
Speaker 1: Though I love it. We're like jostling in this this podcast.
Speaker 1: I love it important. Yeah, bad one. Are you either
Speaker 1: competing or you're not? I love it well, But we're
Speaker 1: also having fun. And what extent is fun and important
Speaker 1: value of yours on the on the field, Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: If we're not having fun, I'm screwing up, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're playing the game. We get to play. Man,
Speaker 1: It's it's a blast, and it's it's hard, you know
Speaker 1: at times, and all that, but the heart doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it's not fun, you know. And and so, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I always want to stay connected to it as best
Speaker 1: we can, you know. And uh, I want to make
Speaker 1: the experience that that people have when they're with us
Speaker 1: memorable and and and enjoyable. And I want them to laugh,
Speaker 1: and I want to have a good time with it,
Speaker 1: and I want them to to find the joy in it.
Speaker 1: And because it's hard, you know. And so I think
Speaker 1: the combination and the mixture of the great challenge and
Speaker 1: and and for of all and the fun that comes
Speaker 1: with it and the achievement that is also part of
Speaker 1: fun is it goes hand in hand, you know. And
Speaker 1: so if we're not having fun, I'm screwing up. So
Speaker 1: in my life, what would it mean for me to
Speaker 1: be winning as a psychologist? Totally? It would be I
Speaker 1: mean emphatically, it would be you being the best psychologist
Speaker 1: you can be. That's all. That's all, that's all it is.
Speaker 1: That's all we can ever aspire to. If we aspire
Speaker 1: to things other than that kind of you're you're making
Speaker 1: yourself crazy. You know. We can't control with outside of
Speaker 1: this what we can only control that which is right
Speaker 1: there right in front of us right now. That's that's
Speaker 1: about being mindful. That's about being in the moment. That's
Speaker 1: about being right now present. That's that's what this is
Speaker 1: all about. And if you try to be something nut,
Speaker 1: it just frustrates you more and you won't. You won't
Speaker 1: perform as well, you won't perform. Just perform, Scott, just
Speaker 1: the way you can, as in that psychology hat that
Speaker 1: you put on, and that's kick ass. That's that's that
Speaker 1: is winning. The winning isn't I made somebody healthy and
Speaker 1: I changed their life. That's that's just the things that
Speaker 1: happened along the way. What you're trying to do because
Speaker 1: that's outside of you. Will you just be a great you,
Speaker 1: you know, and make sure you're you know what that is?
Speaker 1: You to figure out what that is, you know, and
Speaker 1: so uh, if you can do that, and then you
Speaker 1: can consistently keep finding your way back to it no
Speaker 1: matter what happens, you keep coming back to being you, well,
Speaker 1: then then you're on it. Then you then you do
Speaker 1: it great And that's a you know. The guys I
Speaker 1: love is you see the old guy sitting on the
Speaker 1: park bench. You know, he's got the trumpled hat and
Speaker 1: the old jacket on or something like that, and you
Speaker 1: know he's trying to just sitting there and you think, oh,
Speaker 1: that poor guy, you know. And and he wouldn't change
Speaker 1: that hat for anything in the world. He wouldn't change
Speaker 1: He'd go to that same park bench and sit where
Speaker 1: he says because he knows exactly what's important to him.
Speaker 1: He knows exactly what you know. That's it, you know,
Speaker 1: And and there's great peace and great harmony and for that,
Speaker 1: you know, people in that and they've they've found out
Speaker 1: that's important to him. You know. I love I love
Speaker 1: that so much. You have no idea how much I
Speaker 1: love that, or maybe you do have an idea, but
Speaker 1: it's it's wonderful. Do you could you give a little
Speaker 1: bit of a pep talk, even if it's a couple
Speaker 1: of sentences to people right now who because of COVID
Speaker 1: feel like they're having a hard time being their best
Speaker 1: selves because they have so much fear. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we're all in this thing and we're all trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out. I don't have answers. I wish I did,
Speaker 1: but I do know. I do know we've got to
Speaker 1: keep battling, you know, we've got to keep pushing it.
Speaker 1: And as long as we're pushing to make this day
Speaker 1: a good day, and we'll figure out, Okay, gets prepared
Speaker 1: for that next week, We go that next day and
Speaker 1: just put one day together, one day at a time,
Speaker 1: and make it as good a day as you can.
Speaker 1: And generally that will come from helping somebody else. Generally
Speaker 1: that's from giving to somebody else. It kind of it's
Speaker 1: interesting to me that question would be answered to be
Speaker 1: a great teammate. You know, being a great teammate is
Speaker 1: serving others and putting the people around you first, no
Speaker 1: matter how hard it is. I think we can always
Speaker 1: find somebody that we can help. And if we're helping,
Speaker 1: we're making good. And for making good, it's a good day.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the next one, you know. And so
Speaker 1: when it's darkest and there's always somebody that's having a
Speaker 1: harder time than you are, and if we could find them,
Speaker 1: help them, uplift, you know, feed them, hug them, whatever
Speaker 1: it is. I think that's that's kind of what we're
Speaker 1: up to right now, looking out after the ones around
Speaker 1: us that need our help, and that that's the best
Speaker 1: way to keep us motivated and keep us really actively
Speaker 1: doing good stuff here here. So I know that you
Speaker 1: like thinking in five your increments, So I have a
Speaker 1: question for you relating to that, what's your vision of
Speaker 1: humans in five years if they practice the psychological skills
Speaker 1: that you teach your athletes. Oh man, easy question. I
Speaker 1: think we're on course to finding the new empathy, you know.
Speaker 1: I've tried to write about that before, try to make
Speaker 1: sense of it. But I think we're on the verge
Speaker 1: of We've seen so much crap going on around us,
Speaker 1: and so much dishonesty and stuff around us that I
Speaker 1: think we're going to come through this. And I think
Speaker 1: people are sensing it already by being around their family
Speaker 1: so much and being home so much. Is that there
Speaker 1: is great a space for new empathy and understanding of
Speaker 1: others and caring for others. And I hope, I mean,
Speaker 1: whether that's going to happen or I don't know, but
Speaker 1: that's what I hope happens. And I hope we discover
Speaker 1: how valuable that will be in our own personal lives
Speaker 1: if we can see the world that way. Beautiful. I
Speaker 1: usually like to end my interviews with picking one of
Speaker 1: my favorite quotes from the guest I have on. So
Speaker 1: here's a quote, But aren't any. There aren't any with me,
Speaker 1: so we can't will not end it. There's there's all
Speaker 1: too many. It took me like a while to figure
Speaker 1: out which is the one, the one I'm gonna end with,
Speaker 1: So I'd like to end with this one. Strong trusting
Speaker 1: relationships among people who are striving to be the best
Speaker 1: versions of themselves create something powerful. I want to thank
Speaker 1: you for creating something powerful, not only with your team
Speaker 1: and your company, but with the world at large and
Speaker 1: even people you know, people like me. You know, I
Speaker 1: do my psychology with this mentality that you espouse, and
Speaker 1: you uplift me and inspire me, and I just want
Speaker 1: to thank you so much for the chat today. Well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Scott, you uplift me too. I'm so
Speaker 1: proud that you've done the work that you've done so far.
Speaker 1: There's not many people see it, and I hope that
Speaker 1: that transcend really comes out huge for you and people
Speaker 1: who understand that there's great depth here. Nice going, man, Congrats,
Speaker 1: Thanks coach. Thanks for listening to this episode of the
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