Speaker 1: Still Hitler. Yeah, man, um that this is part two
Speaker 1: of our of our episode. Because it's a Hitler episode,
Speaker 1: you gotta give the give red meat to the base.
Speaker 1: It's like one of the only episodes were likeness flies,
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, you want to do it one more time,
Speaker 1: It's fine, I did it with two times. Is enough?
Speaker 1: My next Hitler episode I get no Welcome back to
Speaker 1: Behind the Insurrections. This is part three. We had an
Speaker 1: episode started off with an episode on the march on Room.
Speaker 1: Now we're doing a two parter. This is part two
Speaker 1: of our two parter on Hitler's Munich beer Hall putsch
Speaker 1: Um and then we will continue with other fascist attempts
Speaker 1: to seize power and talking about anti fascism and with
Speaker 1: a few more episodes to do. So, um, strap in,
Speaker 1: buckle up. Eat some rice rice. Get some rice rice.
Speaker 1: It's good for you. Get that brown rice. It's got
Speaker 1: like the extra you know, the vitamins and ship in it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, don't skin your potatoes.
Speaker 1: If you're eating potatoes, that's where all the vitamins are.
Speaker 1: And I can't enjoy potato skins. I love potato skins.
Speaker 1: You know who didn't love potatoes. Actually, Hitler did love them,
Speaker 1: he was because yeah, huge, huge fan of vegetables. Anyway,
Speaker 1: here's the storage. Yeah, as soon as von Lasso and
Speaker 1: car and Ciser are free, they immediately warned Berlin and
Speaker 1: call from military reinforcements from the rest of Bavaria and
Speaker 1: try to organize the rest of the police who weren't
Speaker 1: on Hitler's side into some sort of counter push. This
Speaker 1: would tend to them looking at each other right when
Speaker 1: they stepped out of the room, like, I can't believe
Speaker 1: that works. We're not coming back, right, Like, no, we're not.
Speaker 1: We're going to kill these people, right, I can't believe
Speaker 1: you believe this, Like, I can't believe. I can't believe
Speaker 1: that worked. You know, I think I know why we
Speaker 1: lost the war. That guy might not be very smart
Speaker 1: dumbas yeah. Yeah, So, um, now while this is happening,
Speaker 1: it's gonna take time. Right, ship doesn't turn on a dime,
Speaker 1: you know, his nighttime on the eighth when they get
Speaker 1: free and start warning everybody, it's going to take hours
Speaker 1: for them to like actually get um a counter putch
Speaker 1: force in place to fight the Nazis, And so for
Speaker 1: the rest of the night of November eight, the Nazis
Speaker 1: find themselves in total control of a German city for
Speaker 1: the first time in history, and they very predictably did
Speaker 1: Nazi ship. Yeah. Members of Stufstroup Hitler first swarmed the
Speaker 1: offices of the munschtioner Post, a social democratic paper which
Speaker 1: they considered a Jewish paper. They threatened the business manager
Speaker 1: at gunpoint in order to gain entry, and then they
Speaker 1: destroyed everything inside, throwing ink on the walls, cutting phone lines,
Speaker 1: smashing desks, destroying three and eighty pains of glass. One
Speaker 1: Nazi later recalled, we forced open the doors of this place,
Speaker 1: ransacked the building and flung all the printed stuff we
Speaker 1: could lay hands upon out into the street. Now, during
Speaker 1: the assault, a police officer arrived, not to stop the Nazis,
Speaker 1: but to make sure they didn't damage the printing presses,
Speaker 1: because Hitler wanted those, because wanted to take them and
Speaker 1: give them to one of his newspapers. Hey, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: you rough, Hey hey, we're stealing that. Don't break it,
Speaker 1: Nazis here, just don't break that valuable. Those people, those people, fine,
Speaker 1: just don't hurt the printing presses. Those costs money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all scared, like, oh no, kill that dude. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: don't break the printer. Yeah no, you're not under arrest,
Speaker 1: of course, not what. So they looted everything of value,
Speaker 1: including an estimated six trillion German marks, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: even at that point, a decent amount of money. Um.
Speaker 1: While they were raiding, they found the home address of
Speaker 1: the papers editor, who's a Jewish Man. So they broke
Speaker 1: into his home next, and they threatened his wife at gunpoint.
Speaker 1: Now he was already in hiding, but the Nazis did
Speaker 1: not leave right away. And I'm gonna quote again from
Speaker 1: the trial of Adolf Hitler. This guy's name is our ours.
Speaker 1: Elder daughter, Sophie asked the intruders to be as quiet
Speaker 1: as possible because their own two year old daughter was sleeping. Maurice,
Speaker 1: ignoring the request, asked who the father was as he
Speaker 1: rummaged through their closets, Audrey and Betting. He then smashed
Speaker 1: up a cupboard and turned over bookshelves, apparently looking for
Speaker 1: weapons as much as any clue for the whereabouts of
Speaker 1: the editor. We are the masters and we govern now,
Speaker 1: Maurice boasted, and that guy Maurice would wind up being
Speaker 1: Hitler's valet, like he was his driver and ship in
Speaker 1: bodyguard for a while. Yeah now. Attacks continued through the night,
Speaker 1: led by different gangs of Nazis. One small group was
Speaker 1: led by a bank clerk named Ernest Hoobner who got
Speaker 1: drunk at the start of the push and went off
Speaker 1: with friends in search of quote Jews and other enemies
Speaker 1: of the people to attack. They've broke into restaurants in hotels,
Speaker 1: demanding that Jews exit, beating people and kidnapping them. At
Speaker 1: least twenty four Jewish people were kidnapped and held hostage
Speaker 1: during this period. Numerous others were beaten, businesses were ransacked Nazis.
Speaker 1: In other words, did Nazi ship? Yeah Now. One of
Speaker 1: the things that's fun about this is in the wake
Speaker 1: of all this, stories will come out, like police will
Speaker 1: claim that police who were members of the Nazi party
Speaker 1: will claim that while this was happening, Hitler condemned the
Speaker 1: violence against Jewish people. Um and the kernel of truth
Speaker 1: and that is that Hitler condemned the fact that some
Speaker 1: of his Nazis took off their swastika arm bands while
Speaker 1: they were beating New Jewish people. So we didn't condemn
Speaker 1: the violence as much as he was, like, why didn't
Speaker 1: you wear it? That's good? It was a branding opportunity. Guys. Fella,
Speaker 1: come on, we got these armed bands for a reason.
Speaker 1: We're very good money for this ship. What are you doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So by the early morning, Hitler and his closest lackeys
Speaker 1: realized what Ludendorff had done and gradually came to understand
Speaker 1: that Berlin had been called and the army was coming
Speaker 1: for them. This brought a wave of hopelessness to some.
Speaker 1: The rash nature of the push, the fact that the
Speaker 1: timeline had been moved up two days at the last minute,
Speaker 1: the poor communication, and the fact that a lot of
Speaker 1: time had been spent giving long hit their speeches to
Speaker 1: rooms full of drunk people uh and beating up random
Speaker 1: Jewish people in the street uh instead of securing Munich
Speaker 1: meant that the Nazis were about to face off against
Speaker 1: the Bavarian army without full control of the city. They
Speaker 1: kind of got drunken out of control and failed to
Speaker 1: do the things that were necessary to actually defend their territory.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think that through man. Yeah, Nazi ship.
Speaker 1: So Ludendorf was aghast when he realized that General von
Speaker 1: Lasso had not kept his word. He is very brokenhearted
Speaker 1: by this. He can't believe it. He actually like tries
Speaker 1: to call him and be like, come on, you promised, man, Man, Man,
Speaker 1: what about that word you said you're gonna come back? Bro? Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, you know, I gotta tell you. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm hurt, hurt. I'm personally hurt. Man. You I'm not angry,
Speaker 1: I'm disappointed. Yea, bro, Man, we're supposed to ask some
Speaker 1: sort of code. Man, so funny, it's extremely funny. Um
Speaker 1: So Ludendorf, Yeah, is horrified. Hitler's just angry, and he
Speaker 1: insists that the Nazis go on with what most people
Speaker 1: now realize as a hopeless push. Hitler rants that he's
Speaker 1: prepared to fight for the cause and not a coward.
Speaker 1: He also screams that by betraying him, von Lasso and
Speaker 1: the other members of the Triumvirate had forfeited their quote
Speaker 1: right to exist. Oh god, hardcore Nazi guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's like just just just be saying, like if it
Speaker 1: wasn't so violently dangerous again, it's like the goofball thing
Speaker 1: where I'm just like, why are you so are you
Speaker 1: such a drama, queen, bro, Like they've reverted the right
Speaker 1: to exist. Like, hey man, you know, Hitler was wearing
Speaker 1: those corny ask cargo short shorts when he said it, too, right,
Speaker 1: just like, hey man, he's just I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: flinging my church code off and I got my tooths
Speaker 1: crosses in there, like bro, why the theatrics? Man? Like bro,
Speaker 1: you was this unnecessary theatrical? Anyway? It's just Nazi ship?
Speaker 1: Like okay, man, just if you're gonna shoot the place up,
Speaker 1: shoot the place up, you ain't gotta do all what
Speaker 1: is all this anyway? He's Nazi ship, you know. So
Speaker 1: at this point in time, Hitler's organized forces in Unick
Speaker 1: number around four thousand, whereas the government in Munch only
Speaker 1: about twenty troops and police combined, and obviously a lot
Speaker 1: of the police are Nazis. Now reinforcements were on their
Speaker 1: way rapidly um and so some of Hitler's men suggested
Speaker 1: retreating outside of the city with the forces they had,
Speaker 1: to a small town where they had a strong base
Speaker 1: of support. Ludendorff argued against that and instead insisted that
Speaker 1: they needed to carry out a public show of strength
Speaker 1: and march through Munich in numbers to rally the people
Speaker 1: of the city to their banner. So like, that's you know,
Speaker 1: kind of Ludendorf city is like, no, we can't retreat.
Speaker 1: If we start marching, the people will join us. We'll
Speaker 1: start the march on Berlin now. And yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: quote from the trial of Adolf Hitler here. Perhaps a
Speaker 1: show of popular support would convince kar Lasso Incisor to
Speaker 1: abandon their intention to oppose them. Surely too, it was
Speaker 1: reasoned the army would not shoot at a procession led
Speaker 1: by such a popular national figure as General Ludendorff. The
Speaker 1: heavens will fall before the troops fire on me, Ludendorff
Speaker 1: had told a colleague the previous day. The soldiers would.
Speaker 1: It was hoped luck to the banner of the swastika.
Speaker 1: With a little luck, nationalist momentum might push Hitler to Berlin,
Speaker 1: just as it had propelled Mussolini to Rome. It didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't. Hitler gathered about two thousand men at the
Speaker 1: Burger Brow, and he did, in fact, marched them to
Speaker 1: the center of the city, and for a little while
Speaker 1: things went well. Fifteen minutes into the march, the Nazis
Speaker 1: approached a group of thirty police officers with heavy machine guns,
Speaker 1: and the police tell the Nazis to stop, and Herman
Speaker 1: Garrying yells back at them, don't shoot your comrades. And
Speaker 1: then right after saying don't shoot your comrades, like a
Speaker 1: trumpet blows, and the Nazis charged the police and take
Speaker 1: their guns and beat them unconscious with their own rifle butts,
Speaker 1: which is again some serious d C on the sixth energy, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: where are your friends? Wham, it's beating a cop with
Speaker 1: a blue lives matter that is that? Is that a
Speaker 1: thin blue line rag around him man's neck to choke him. Yeah?
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, the police were taken captive. Um, the
Speaker 1: Nazis beat them and take their guns, um and send
Speaker 1: them back to the beer hall. And Nazi propaganda would
Speaker 1: describe this assault on the police as police fraternization, right, like,
Speaker 1: it's us, it's us being friendly with the cops. Now,
Speaker 1: this early success would not prove to be you know,
Speaker 1: how the rest of things went um. Eventually, the crowd
Speaker 1: reached a barricade of a hundred police officers set up
Speaker 1: in a narrow street where their flanks were protected. The
Speaker 1: Nazis advanced, and while it's not known who started shooting,
Speaker 1: a gun battle ensued. Four police officers and sixteen Nazis
Speaker 1: were killed. Hitler was pulled to the ground by his
Speaker 1: bodyguard and his shoulder was dislocated. Garing was shot in
Speaker 1: the groin in the leg. And this is actually why
Speaker 1: Herman Garring in the pictures you see of him as
Speaker 1: like when he's in power, is like heavily overweight. It's
Speaker 1: why he becomes a morphine addict. Like he's horribly injured
Speaker 1: and he gets addicted to pain killers. Um yeah, and
Speaker 1: then he like starts over eating when he can't be
Speaker 1: on pain killers in order to deal with like he's
Speaker 1: badly hurt by this. Now, there's a couple of different
Speaker 1: stories about what happens with Ludendorff. The most common one
Speaker 1: that like Ludendorff backs is that while all of this
Speaker 1: gunfire is going on, he marches like straight backed, unharmed,
Speaker 1: up to the police line and is taken into custody,
Speaker 1: just completely unfrightened of bullets. Historians tend to suspect that,
Speaker 1: like no, he was a soldier, like Hitler and everyone
Speaker 1: else who was had military experience. He dove for the
Speaker 1: ground when the shooting started. That's like, you don't stand up,
Speaker 1: you go to the fucking ground, like that's what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And Hitler gets really messed up by this too, Like
Speaker 1: I said, his shoulders like really badly dislocated. He doesn't
Speaker 1: get shot though, um. And as soon as it's clear
Speaker 1: that his men, because the Nazis fire back and they
Speaker 1: kill some cops. As soon as it becomes clear that
Speaker 1: the Nazis are going to lose this giant gunfight, Hitler
Speaker 1: runs like fuck um and Nazi propaganda would later claim
Speaker 1: that he sees like a ten year old boy who
Speaker 1: gets wounded by the police and he like picks him
Speaker 1: up and runs him to safety. This is a for
Speaker 1: one thing, his arm didn't work. Yeah, so that didn't happen,
Speaker 1: Like it's a complete lie. He ran because he didn't
Speaker 1: want to die. He did what every what they literally
Speaker 1: anyone would do. Yeah, is you Oh they're shooting, I
Speaker 1: should not get out of here. Yeah, I really ain't
Speaker 1: sign up, but his I just wanted to know. So
Speaker 1: he flees, and he eventually takes a car to his friends,
Speaker 1: puts his manner in rural Bavaria, and of course, as
Speaker 1: we talk about it in another episode. He tries to
Speaker 1: shoot himself there and puts his wife Helena, who he
Speaker 1: has a crush on, like stops him, takes his gun
Speaker 1: and like throws it into a barrel of flower um,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, maybe not the best call anyone ever,
Speaker 1: but it was one of those like like short term
Speaker 1: goodness term like in the moment, that was probably the
Speaker 1: right thing to do. Yeah, but it didn't end up well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Hitler eventually gets arrested and he's charged with,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to overthrow the government. Now, the maximum
Speaker 1: him sentence for a guilty verdict would have been life imprisonment,
Speaker 1: and even if he wasn't put away for life, Hitler
Speaker 1: wasn't a German citizen, and the law code at the
Speaker 1: time stipulated that foreigners convicted of high treason should be
Speaker 1: deported after serving their sentence. Now, when he was brought
Speaker 1: to jail, Hitler was initially despondent, telling one police interviewer
Speaker 1: that he wanted to just shoot himself and get it
Speaker 1: over with. But as the days and weeks went by,
Speaker 1: it became clear that most of the Bavarian government and
Speaker 1: many of its people were at best ambivalent about prosecuting Hitler.
Speaker 1: He was extremely popular. Nazi protesters took to the streets
Speaker 1: immediately after he was arrested, like shouting, Heil Hitler and
Speaker 1: down Lukar. Even a lot of the cops and soldiers
Speaker 1: who had put down the rebellion were broadly pro Hitler.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to see him punished. Now, this was
Speaker 1: kind of filed, compounded by the fact that the press,
Speaker 1: even the left wing press, didn't take Hitler seriously because
Speaker 1: the putch had failed. The New York World ignored Hitler's
Speaker 1: role in it for the most part, and declared at
Speaker 1: Ludendorff's push and depicted Hitler as a bumbling sidekick had
Speaker 1: gone off half coom and dragged the general down with him.
Speaker 1: A major Berlin paper described it as a Ludendorff putsch
Speaker 1: and compared it to a childish prank rather than a
Speaker 1: severe attempt to destroy democracy. The New York Times probably
Speaker 1: had the best coverage. They made a pointed note that
Speaker 1: hit there was a skilled order in very charismatic. They
Speaker 1: laid out his skill at weaving the nation's resentments and
Speaker 1: racial bigotry into a cohesive political platform capable of getting
Speaker 1: people out into the street, you know. The New York
Speaker 1: Times falls down on the job a lot later with Hitler. Um,
Speaker 1: but at this point, like they see at least that
Speaker 1: writer sees the danger, you know. Now. Meanwhile in France,
Speaker 1: a left wing paper, the Republic French well, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: the French Republic, I guess is the name of the paper, bridge, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's like this is a very like a socialist paper.
Speaker 1: It warns its readers that the real victim of the
Speaker 1: Putsch was not the Nazis, but the Bavarian government, who
Speaker 1: had brutally suppressed a popular uprising. The trial of Adolf
Speaker 1: Hitler notes it was instead a war between two different
Speaker 1: visions of dictate leadership, and the most dangerous one, it believed,
Speaker 1: was not the one suppressed. Several papers on the left
Speaker 1: agreed with this assessment. Hitler, in his defeat, looked ludicrous
Speaker 1: and less menacing than the state authorities who had stopped him.
Speaker 1: The illusion would only grow in the coming months. So like, no, no,
Speaker 1: the state's way worse than Hitler. You know, he's just
Speaker 1: a silly dude. Yeah, yeah, Again, the lesson of history
Speaker 1: is that no one has ever learned a lesson from history, ever,
Speaker 1: not a single person, God damn. And the idea. The
Speaker 1: part that's so chilling is like, you know, him sitting
Speaker 1: in prison almost the idea of him almost checking out
Speaker 1: and being like, maybe let's not do this, and in
Speaker 1: the streets rise up for him and he's like wait
Speaker 1: what wait, y'all like me, all right, let's let's let's
Speaker 1: let's push on, you know like that. That's that part
Speaker 1: is so chilling, where it was just like he almost stopped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could have been stopped. And this is the story
Speaker 1: at this point is why he wasn't, you know, um
Speaker 1: like like why he didn't Why this wasn't the end
Speaker 1: of his political career. Because the big question of the
Speaker 1: Munich beer hole punch isn't why didn't it work? Because
Speaker 1: it was a terrible idea from the start, it was
Speaker 1: doomed from it was badly planned in order. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is instead why didn't this push in the Hitler's career,
Speaker 1: And the answer to that question comes once again down
Speaker 1: to the justice system law enforcement. The police in Munich
Speaker 1: in particular were critical in allowing the Nazis to rise
Speaker 1: to power in the first place, and in nine, the
Speaker 1: year of Hitler's trial, the Justice Department would prove critical
Speaker 1: in keeping his ambitions alive or the justice system gemany whatever.
Speaker 1: So Hitler goes to court and as a note, they
Speaker 1: take him to court and like a military academy, um,
Speaker 1: and the academy is empty because all of the young
Speaker 1: soldiers being trained in the military academy were part of
Speaker 1: Hitler's push. Um. So like the yeah, yeah, yeah, is
Speaker 1: this the trial so I read death of Democracy? Yes?
Speaker 1: So is this the trial where the judge was essentially like,
Speaker 1: I'll give you it. I like the guy, Uh, this
Speaker 1: is one of those democracy I think is talking about
Speaker 1: the trial with um um a different like there were
Speaker 1: a couple of trials like that. It happened more than once.
Speaker 1: This is the first time. Well, actually it's not the
Speaker 1: first time. It's not the first time with this judge,
Speaker 1: as we're about to talk about. So, the presiding judge
Speaker 1: in Hitler's case was a guy named George Nightheart. Now
Speaker 1: Nightheart had a reputation for opposing democracy in liberalism and
Speaker 1: just loving himself the far right. He was a monarchist
Speaker 1: in his bones, and he took his rage at fimart
Speaker 1: democracy out on left wing like uh, what McCall it?
Speaker 1: People like on the left, he wound up in his docket. Now,
Speaker 1: this was not an eye slated phenomenon. In Germany, most
Speaker 1: judges were very much far right. Statician Emile Gumbel analyzed
Speaker 1: murder trials in Fimar, Germany from nineteen eighteen to nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty two. Uh He found quote right wing defendants received
Speaker 1: a not guilty verdict no fewer than three d three
Speaker 1: fifty four cases. There were no death penalties and only
Speaker 1: one life sentence. Left wing defendants, by contrast, were judged
Speaker 1: in a sent only four of the twenty two cases,
Speaker 1: receiving ten death penalties and three life sentences. The length
Speaker 1: of the sentence also confirmed the double standard, fifteen years
Speaker 1: on average for the left, four months for the right. Good.
Speaker 1: We're back now to bring this back to modern history.
Speaker 1: The UK Guardian just conducted a study on last year's
Speaker 1: protests involving thirteen thousand left and right wing demonstrations and
Speaker 1: found that police were like four times as likely to
Speaker 1: use force on left wing demonstrators and three and a
Speaker 1: half times as likely to use force on left demonstrators
Speaker 1: during protests where there was no destruction of property or looting.
Speaker 1: So this is not a the left like loots more.
Speaker 1: This is a win in right wing protests where there's
Speaker 1: no violence, and left wing protests where there's no violence,
Speaker 1: the police are three times and a half times more
Speaker 1: likely to use violence against the left. Um, it's the same.
Speaker 1: It's all the same, broadly speaking, like we do, like
Speaker 1: our judges and d a s and stuff are kind
Speaker 1: well in some areas are less like the Nazis where
Speaker 1: right for one thing, they didn't transition from being under
Speaker 1: ricking to a democracy and weren't all angry about that,
Speaker 1: which is not. Like the whole justice department is stacked
Speaker 1: towards the right. But it's not as bad as it
Speaker 1: was for Weimar. But it's pretty bad now. Ninheart had
Speaker 1: actually ruled on a case involving Hitler once before, in
Speaker 1: January of nineteen two, when Hitler had attacked a rifle
Speaker 1: politician giving a speech at another beer hall. Hitler had
Speaker 1: faced three to six months in prison then, and Ninheart
Speaker 1: had ordered him to serve just a month, although he
Speaker 1: had also put him on probation. And Hitler was on
Speaker 1: probation when he tried to overthrow the government in nine
Speaker 1: He was on probation. Wow, they they are already on probation.
Speaker 1: Dag dad, you like, oh, I know to judge with
Speaker 1: good The judge who knew that Hitler was on probation,
Speaker 1: didn't bring this it up at all during the trial,
Speaker 1: didn't form the jury, made sure no one knew that
Speaker 1: Hitler was on probation when he tried to overthrow the government.
Speaker 1: Oh good, that's extremely funny. It's it's rad as hell.
Speaker 1: Don't don't yeah, no, no notes. So yeah. The website
Speaker 1: Famous Trials because good overview of how the case opened,
Speaker 1: and it makes it clear just how stacked the deck
Speaker 1: was in Hitler's favor. The presiding judge called Hitler to
Speaker 1: the stand, consistent with German procedure at the time, the
Speaker 1: questions came from the judge, not the prosecutor, although they
Speaker 1: were written largely by the prosecution. In the afternoon session,
Speaker 1: Hitler gave a nearly four hour opening statement that dazzled spectators.
Speaker 1: He began by telling his life story, then shifted to
Speaker 1: his political vision. He was animated, his voice rising and
Speaker 1: falling as he laid out his vision of the country's
Speaker 1: problems and hopes for the future. He was unsparing in
Speaker 1: his criticism of racial minorities and left wing ideologies, calling
Speaker 1: communists not even human. He blamed the government in Berlin
Speaker 1: for the economic crisis, saying it had practically robbed the
Speaker 1: people of the last marks from their pockets. He said
Speaker 1: policy is made not with the palm branch, but the sword.
Speaker 1: Hitler's words were reported around the world. Hit their claim
Speaker 1: to want only the best for his people and said
Speaker 1: he alone bore the responsibility and also every consequence for
Speaker 1: the failed push. He compared the Bavarian leaders who turned
Speaker 1: on him to a horse that lost its courage before
Speaker 1: the hurdle. So four hours it is ship. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: one of the main impacts of this is that he
Speaker 1: gets to speak for hours and lay out his entire
Speaker 1: political philosophy at a trial that is internationally reported on.
Speaker 1: So suddenly this guy who was unknown outside of Bavaria
Speaker 1: becomes known worldwide because the judge lets him just say
Speaker 1: whatever he wants, just that want. Can you imagine being
Speaker 1: a prosecution in the situation and being like, is he done?
Speaker 1: As it's four hours? Dog, Like, you're not even talking
Speaker 1: about the case? Yeah, yeah, are you serious? Yeah? So,
Speaker 1: when sensitive matters were addressed, matters whose disclosure might be
Speaker 1: especially embarrassing to the government or suggest a violation of
Speaker 1: the Verse Sill Treaty, like all of the machine guns
Speaker 1: being given to militias. The court went into secret session,
Speaker 1: So for example, Hitler's testimony that his party stormtroopers were
Speaker 1: trained with a knowledge and support of Bavarian authorities, a
Speaker 1: clear violation of the treaty was never heard or reported
Speaker 1: by the international press. So the fact that, like before
Speaker 1: Hitler tried to overthrow the government, the army had trained
Speaker 1: and given guns to his militia's they just hid that
Speaker 1: talk about that because it's a violation of international law.
Speaker 1: You know, we just would broke. We broke. Everyone's loss.
Speaker 1: Everyone's lost. So a bunch of fucked up stuff came
Speaker 1: out in the trial, including the fact that the Bavarian
Speaker 1: Police commissioner had been promised by Hitler one week before
Speaker 1: the push that he would not do a putch like
Speaker 1: Seisser went to Hitler was like, are you planning to
Speaker 1: overthrow the government? And there was like, no, of course not.
Speaker 1: Why is everybody just twisting each other Hitler overthrow a government? No, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're good, bro, you're good. Don't even you're good, We're good.
Speaker 1: Can I have some more machine guns? Like thirty more
Speaker 1: maybe tops right, machine guns for duck hunting. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what pass medium guns. Promise you everything
Speaker 1: is cool. These are not overthrowing the government guns there um,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, just walking around guns just
Speaker 1: for for the for for style collector. I'm a collector
Speaker 1: machine guns. Dog. So Doug, why is everybody but why
Speaker 1: are body of power just believe the other dudes? Like
Speaker 1: it's amazing you go come back right, yeah, okay, you're
Speaker 1: not to do this right, government, are you? We're good man?
Speaker 1: They needed women in power because we would have been
Speaker 1: like trust issues. No, absolutely not no, no, no. Then
Speaker 1: there has been there's been multiple times that my wife
Speaker 1: has been absolutely correct about stuff that I was completely like,
Speaker 1: it's cool. She was like, uh no, it's not. And
Speaker 1: I'm smart enough after this many years to listen to her.
Speaker 1: Now no one listened to anyone smart. When they put
Speaker 1: Hitler on trial, there was a good member of the
Speaker 1: prosecution here. I wanted to put him away, but other
Speaker 1: members of the prosecution were actually sympathetic to Hitler. One
Speaker 1: of the prosecutors described Hitler's desire to institute a military
Speaker 1: dictatorship as a high perhaps morally legitimate goal, although he
Speaker 1: added that this did not justify his use of criminal means. Hey, man,
Speaker 1: you were right to overthrow the government to institute a dictatorship,
Speaker 1: But did you have to use violence? Not like this?
Speaker 1: Peaceful protest, Hitler? Come on, come on, man, not like this? Uh.
Speaker 1: The prosecution, some of the prosecution at least, praised Hitler's
Speaker 1: honest efforts to inspire belief in the German cause and
Speaker 1: said as human beings, we cannot withhold our respect from Hitler.
Speaker 1: What the I am growing trying to grow in him
Speaker 1: with the year. But I'm just like, Okay, I know hindsight,
Speaker 1: but fam you for real? You know who's not getting
Speaker 1: enough respect? This Hitler? Fella, this guy no respect reading.
Speaker 1: I've been reading this guy. I heard him talk for
Speaker 1: twenty two days, because he shut up the whole twenty
Speaker 1: two days. And I think something in there. I think
Speaker 1: this guy might be a pretty good Hitler, might be
Speaker 1: our best Hitler. You know, let's give me a shot. Wow.
Speaker 1: On March seven, Hitler gave his final statement, as defendants
Speaker 1: were allowed to do under German law. Hitler told the
Speaker 1: court that his goal was never to become a minister. Instead,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be the destroyer of Marxism. He said
Speaker 1: he was born for politics, and just as a bird
Speaker 1: must sing, because he is a bird, he had to
Speaker 1: engage in a political life. He felt he had the
Speaker 1: duty to step forward and save Germany. The Putsch was
Speaker 1: not a failure, Hitler said. On the contrary, it raised
Speaker 1: people to the highest pitch of enthusiasm. He predicted the
Speaker 1: hour will come when the masses who stand in the
Speaker 1: streets under our swastika flag will unite with those who
Speaker 1: fired on us. At us on November eight, he said,
Speaker 1: the army we have formed is growing from day to day.
Speaker 1: Hitler's words moved a number of people in the courtroom
Speaker 1: to tears. Hitler argued that the government was prosecuting the
Speaker 1: wrong people, for it is not you, gentlemen, who pronounced
Speaker 1: judgment upon us. Instead, the judgment of the eternal court
Speaker 1: of history will pronounce against this prosecution which has been
Speaker 1: raised against us. That's a quote from famous trials. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty great ship. They just let him say that
Speaker 1: kind of rat And to be honest, he was and
Speaker 1: he was dead ass serious that, like, yo, I'm not done, y'all.
Speaker 1: It's only the beginning. Oh, no, I'm gonna keep Hitler ng.
Speaker 1: That's what Hitler's do. Yeah, baby, yeah, the big, big,
Speaker 1: big hit lries. You know what I'm saying. Is that
Speaker 1: a new T shirt too? Yeah? Can we get it?
Speaker 1: Always be Probably not? Huh, probably not. Okay, Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: not do that. You don't probably not invoke. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can invoke the old Hits putting on
Speaker 1: the Hits. That's the shirt putting the Hits to go
Speaker 1: where you can go, and sits putting on the Hitlers.
Speaker 1: So Hitler and his co defendants were found guilty. Most
Speaker 1: of them were sentenced to five years in prison, which
Speaker 1: was the absolute minimum sentence, and they would all be
Speaker 1: eligible for parole in six months. Ludendorff was acquitted on
Speaker 1: all charges. Judge Nighthart justified the lenient sentences by citing
Speaker 1: Hitler's purely patriotic, noble and unselfish motive of wanting to
Speaker 1: be the supreme ruler of all Germany. This guy's not
Speaker 1: self just wants to beator a nest. Yeah, it's amazing, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know I did this, and I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people die, but I'm also trying to take over
Speaker 1: the country. In my defense, I wanted to be the dictator.
Speaker 1: You know, it's in my defense and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: save you from an imaginary enemy. Yeah, you might not
Speaker 1: have if I'm not your dictator. You know, you know
Speaker 1: when I get a dictator, if I wasn't your dictator.
Speaker 1: So some observers at the time recognized how preposterous and
Speaker 1: terrifying all of this was. The continue. Yeah, one German
Speaker 1: journalist called it a political carnival and pointed out that
Speaker 1: the judge allowing Hitler to make repeated flowery speeches just
Speaker 1: turned the trial into an ad for the Nazi Party,
Speaker 1: and it seems to have worked. That spring, despite the
Speaker 1: party being officially banned, three of Hitler's ten co defendants
Speaker 1: were elected to the Reich Stack. So when I think about, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: when I think about the fact that, like, okay, so
Speaker 1: we're going through another impeachment trial, is people still on
Speaker 1: don Joan side? Like when I I just imagine myself
Speaker 1: being a senator and just when it's my time to talk,
Speaker 1: just being like, did we all not almost die Tuesday?
Speaker 1: What is the fucking hold up? We just did? Were
Speaker 1: y'all here? We was all here? Right? Did I didn't
Speaker 1: imagine this, did we almost die on Tuesday? What what
Speaker 1: are y'all talking about? Like, I just imagine that, So
Speaker 1: I imagine somebody in in you know, the vibe my
Speaker 1: republic at the time, going did y'all just here? Did
Speaker 1: my only one had just heard this? But did y'all
Speaker 1: do y'all heard that this is a bad idea? How
Speaker 1: come nobody else here that this is a bad idea? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of the repeated story of fascism and a
Speaker 1: lot of countries. So because humans never learned anything? Is
Speaker 1: that the name of your next podcast after this? Humans
Speaker 1: never learned anything? No one learns anything. So white listen
Speaker 1: to this show? Just downloaded, so I get the ad
Speaker 1: dollars and just stumble forward. So was sent to Lenzburg Prison.
Speaker 1: Um and Lenzburg Prison had two parts. There was a
Speaker 1: normal prison which was like a panopticon one of those
Speaker 1: big prisons were like the guards in the middle can
Speaker 1: see everything everyone does. And then there's a big castle
Speaker 1: that's like a luxury hotel and Hitler gets sent to
Speaker 1: the luxury hotel. Part of it's like it's The Germans
Speaker 1: had a whole chunk of their justice system that was
Speaker 1: luxury prisons. For mainly right wing terrorists. He went, Yeah,
Speaker 1: count Arco Valley, the guy who shot Eisner, went to
Speaker 1: this prison and got like like like and gets like,
Speaker 1: you know, he lives in like a nice like a
Speaker 1: like a condo basically. And that's when Hitler gets I
Speaker 1: might go rob somebody. So I go back. Oh no,
Speaker 1: you gotta try to overthrow the government. Yeah, so he
Speaker 1: gets a Hitler gets a private apartment at this castle.
Speaker 1: He's given tea coffee, nice food, a leader, a day
Speaker 1: of beer, and all the books he won to read.
Speaker 1: His time was on his own. He was allowed to
Speaker 1: spend five hours a day walking through the garden and
Speaker 1: stuff deep and thought. All of his friends were in
Speaker 1: jail with him, and they got to like party and
Speaker 1: play music. It was less prison and more being locked
Speaker 1: in a nice castle with your friends for lesson retreat.
Speaker 1: A lot of people would pay for this, you know,
Speaker 1: sounds like sounds like a frat house. I was going
Speaker 1: to say, like a TikTok influencer house. Yeah, it's as
Speaker 1: hype house, which is probably where our next fascist dictator
Speaker 1: will come from. Out of both of you for knowing
Speaker 1: those referens. Yeah, Taylor Lawrence's work yeah, ah, We're back.
Speaker 1: The worst thing about Hitler's sentence was that all of
Speaker 1: the comfortable free time that he got in Landsburg gave
Speaker 1: him space to work on his ideology. Here we Go
Speaker 1: nineteen four would, as a result, go on to be
Speaker 1: one of the most important years in Hitler's life. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna quote now from a write up by Douglas Linder.
Speaker 1: By July, Hitler was hard at work on a work
Speaker 1: that would be both autobiography and political manifesto. The completed
Speaker 1: work would be called Mine comp It would be seven
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty two pages long, and it would sell
Speaker 1: twelve million copies by ninety five. In the book, Hitler
Speaker 1: developed the two great themes that would mark his later career. First,
Speaker 1: he defined world history as a struggle between races, and
Speaker 1: saw Arians as the culture creating race and Jews as
Speaker 1: the culture destroying race. Second, he lays out a case
Speaker 1: for the imperative of German territorial expansion to the east.
Speaker 1: He called it living space for Germans, or Levin's Realm.
Speaker 1: On December nineteenth, the Bavarian Supreme Court ruled in favor
Speaker 1: of Hitler's parole had there was released. The next day,
Speaker 1: he said when I left Landsburg, everybody wept, by which
Speaker 1: he means the guards but not I. Hitler said his
Speaker 1: time in prison gave him that fearless faith, that optimism,
Speaker 1: that confidence in our destiny which nothing could shake. Thereafter,
Speaker 1: he said that the prison had given him a frenzy
Speaker 1: of liberty and that it's out in my imprisonment, mine
Speaker 1: comp would never have been written. Good ship, damn it,
Speaker 1: good ship. I felt like, as soon as you name
Speaker 1: the prison, if this was a movie, that'sked when like
Speaker 1: the single key of the haunting song starts that you
Speaker 1: think it's over, and then the music builds, and then
Speaker 1: it's having him walking around the thing with his hands
Speaker 1: behind his back, just kind of chilling, and then it
Speaker 1: zooms in on him writing. You know the top of that,
Speaker 1: it says mind colf and we're just like, yeah, Dune
Speaker 1: done done to be continued, Yeah, yep, it's good stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, prop oh god, that means you're stopping right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the that's I mean, that's the push, you know,
Speaker 1: that's the story of the push and what happened after.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk more about anti fascism in Germany in
Speaker 1: a later episode of this mini series and stuff, because
Speaker 1: we didn't really that a lot of that hadn't started yet,
Speaker 1: you know. Um but after Yeah, I got my names
Speaker 1: wrong because I thought this was the one when they
Speaker 1: set when he set the set to building off fire. No, no,
Speaker 1: that's the Reichstag fire. He's already in power when that
Speaker 1: happened at that point, right yeah, yeah, um no, this
Speaker 1: is this is his first attempt to take power, and
Speaker 1: the fact that he receives no meaningful punishment from it
Speaker 1: is why he winds up in power. Yeah. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: is like it's Rad's super he should probably punish somebody.
Speaker 1: You can't let this year ride oka. Yeah. Maybe if
Speaker 1: a fascist tries to overthrow your government, they should face
Speaker 1: severe consequences. You can't let it ride. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: let it ride unity. You're not a big fan of
Speaker 1: a justice system or you want mity because it will
Speaker 1: come back on you eventually. Yeah, of course maybe possibly
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Speaker 1: we'll be coming out with the rest of it as
Speaker 1: a separate thing, and it'll also be available in the
Speaker 1: pub form, so you can read it if you want
Speaker 1: to read it. Somebody did say all my comments, which
Speaker 1: was that was so hilarious. Well, I don't want to
Speaker 1: drag the guy, because I appreciate they follow me, but that,
Speaker 1: um about the about the artwork for this, for this
Speaker 1: pot that like, because I'm pretty sure there wasn't a
Speaker 1: fire there, so you guys putting a fire on there
Speaker 1: is pretty uh deceptive. Guys. It's it's number one. They
Speaker 1: turned around the the logo in like two days and
Speaker 1: this was the best thing we could think. I think
Speaker 1: it's fine. Yeah, that I had that if somebody wants
Speaker 1: to create for me, like I love you, it was
Speaker 1: a fun idea. Yeah. My favorite idea ever is I
Speaker 1: wanted to take like like in regards like the show Friends,
Speaker 1: when they're on that couch and on a fountain, but
Speaker 1: the fountain at the US Capitol and then it's like
Speaker 1: Franco Mussolini, Trump and Hitler sitting on the couch. I
Speaker 1: think that would have been fun. If somebody could do
Speaker 1: that for me, like you'll make you'll make my like month. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also it's just look, guys, it's just it's just artwork.
Speaker 1: M It's just it's it's just the artwork. What are
Speaker 1: you gonna What are you gonna do? What are you
Speaker 1: gonna do? Yeah, it's fine. We wanted to get across
Speaker 1: that this is history behind the insurrection that happened at
Speaker 1: the capitol, and we have like an inch wide to
Speaker 1: do it. And it's fine. Deal with what do you fine?
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