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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I never told you, production I

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Speaker 2: heard you.

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Speaker 3: And welcome to another activist around the world. And today

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Speaker 3: we are looking at the works of Ava Shaolin, Regal

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Speaker 3: Hopt who you know. I'm very excited because I love

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Speaker 3: the theater and we're talking Broadway. Annie, how many have

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Speaker 3: you actually gone.

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Speaker 1: To New York to see Broadway shows?

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Speaker 2: You have? Right?

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Speaker 1: How many have you seen.

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Speaker 2: In New York?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Five or six? Five or six? Nice favorite? I guess

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did see the I actually saw the American

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Speaker 2: Idiot green Day Broadway show.

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Speaker 3: This is so funny to me because I have yet

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Speaker 3: a few times if we've been to New York, there's

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Speaker 3: not been shows that I've wanted to go see because

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Speaker 3: I'm very selective and I'm old school and.

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Speaker 1: What I like.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's funny because you who do not

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Speaker 3: like musicals or have said you don't like musicals, have

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Speaker 1: I sure do love musicals, but.

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Speaker 4: It's almost always like like you know, green Day, that

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Speaker 4: was just pretty much the music day Hamilton doesn't stop

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Speaker 4: singing again, which is my real thing.

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Speaker 2: And then a bunch of the other ones like, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't know when it's coming.

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Speaker 3: Really, because I'm like, that's why I'm confused, as Hamilton

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it's to me.

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Speaker 2: It's just I don't and the song is going to

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Speaker 2: start again. And then I saw, like, I saw Daniel

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Speaker 1: Win Money or whatever whatever. It was a recent one. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, okay, this is this is why I laugh

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Speaker 3: It is a very specific dislike of it within the musical,

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Speaker 3: which is interesting. It like it's just a nervous nervous

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Speaker 3: That's okay, because I have friends who hate musicals because

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Speaker 3: they just hate that they break out in song and

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Speaker 3: just in general, they have to sing through life, not

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Speaker 3: like why do you have to sing it?

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Speaker 1: I'm like why not? Like I don't understand.

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Speaker 3: Also wanted to shout out my niece Gracie, who just

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Speaker 3: next to Normal, which people probably know it. It was

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Speaker 3: Really great topic, kind of along the lines of what

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Speaker 1: One, so shout out to my niece Crazy. She's not

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Speaker 3: So for our Broadway nerds, we are talking about Regal

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Speaker 3: they navigate preparing for a spring formal dance at their school,

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Speaker 1: She has her information. We should really have her on

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Speaker 3: But again, we look at these people, we're like, oh wow,

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Speaker 3: In an interview with hollyod Reporter, she talks about her

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Speaker 3: As a theater kid myself, that says so much. Because

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Speaker 3: applied and worked with Disability Belongs, a program for people

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Speaker 3: them from their site respectability dot org. They write, the

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Speaker 3: Disability Belongs Entertainment Lab is for disabled creatives working in development,

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