WEBVTT - Draymond Green, Game 7 Reactions and Conference Final Previews 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.080 Welcome a Point Game with John Wall and CJ TOLDONNOD 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.600 presented by DraftKings. Don't forget. DraftKings is your home for 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.560 all the action across the NBA and gets too close 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:17.720 to the game. We all love. The crown is yours. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.520 On today's episode, we are joined by the fourth time 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.799 NBA Champ, eight time All Defensive Team, two times Gold medalist, 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.720 one of the best podcasters in the game, Draymond Green, 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.760 is joining us on Point Game. But first, John Man, 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:31.440 how you feeling. 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.120 I'm great, bro, Great, great to have a guy like 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:38.519 Dremond on. I mean a lot of people don't respect 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:40.400 him and understand what he brings to the game, what 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:42.480 he does for his team, but it goes a long way. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.400 So it's great to have a brush line that that 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:46.839 want to join our podcast and also has his own podcast, 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:48.360 so it means a lot to us. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.600 Yeah, he drops some incredible stories and insights, including a 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.440 little bit of preview about what we're seeing here in 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.440 the playoffs. But I wanted to talk about this past 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:01.400 weekend because yesterday Sunday we had two games and I'm 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.360 dying to hear what you thought your reaction. So let's 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.720 start with it with the Big one Nuggets Timberwolves Game seven, 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.960 the reigning champs. You know everyone, I think I feel 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.400 like thought, we're gonna see the Nuggets. They just won 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.840 three in a row. It's gonna it's gonna be them again. 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:19.120 So give me a reaction to watching that game seven yesterday. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.080 Well for me, that's why I always say, like a 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.840 twenty point leading vide don't mean shit. Yeah you know 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:27.240 what I mean, Like it was up thirty eight to 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.600 fifty eight with like ten men's and forty seconds and 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.000 fifty seconds ago in the third quarter. I mean, but Minnesota, 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.600 like a young team and a lot of people, certainly 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.000 one throughout the playoffs, but throughout just the season, they 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:39.840 get rattled. I mean, they don't have nobody to calm 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.480 them down. And I think just they composure with like 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.600 Mike Conley being their leader and man being who he 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.120 was not having a great game. It wasn't having a 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.320 great game, I mean, but stuck with it, kept fighting. 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.200 And I told people before, like if you're picking up 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.760 somebody full court throughout a whole seven game, serious and 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.280 that later on your legs get tired, like you start 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.960 having mistakes. And I think if I was Denver, I 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:03.400 would have let Aaron go and bring the ball up 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.320 a little bit more. I mean, so Jamal Murray don't 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.200 get so fatigued and tired because a man picking up 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:09.880 full court and he got Jadie mcdain's picking on the 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.720 full court and Alexander Walker picking him up full court, 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:14.440 you know. I mean, so he had it going in 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:15.880 the first abe, I think he got a little bit 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.320 of tired, and the same with Yogas, like he damned 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.680 there played the whole second half, but Minnesota kept chipping away, 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.200 chipping the chipping away, chipping away, and they close it out. 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.720 Well, let's talk a little bit about you said Ant 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.720 didn't have a great game, and so I still feel 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:32.720 like he added to this game, was a big part 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.600 of it. Like he wasn't hitting his shots, he couldn't 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.800 get it going offensively. But let's talk about what he 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.639 did right, you know, and what his teammates did right 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.000 to bring him back in this game and win it. 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:45.120 What I always tell people before, it's like being a 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.040 point guard that can score, or just been a two 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.959 guard that's a score. How can you impact the game 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:54.440 in other ways when your SHOT's not falling Defensively, still 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.000 being aggressive, making the right reads, getting a lot of sists, 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.680 rebound the ball, and man did that for twenty four 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.320 but he hit big timely shots. You feel me, Like 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:05.840 the end of the third quarter he hit a step back three. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.359 He cut the lead from four to one. Then he 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.560 get it still on Jamar Murray in the fourth. Right 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.000 after he was on the bench, he said, coach is 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:14.720 tapping him on the chase. I'm gonna get in my bag. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.079 I'm gonna get in my bag, you know what I mean. 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.040 So he still had that mindset like I don't care 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:21.919 if I'm missing shots. I can still impact the game 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.000 in so many ways. So his defense is energy. All 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.919 that kept it going. And then they bench, They bench 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:29.760 was going like when it was getting stopped. They benched 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.600 jumping up and down. And you need that because when 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.240 you were on the road, it's nobody else with you. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.600 So it's fifteen guys in the coaching staff and then 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.480 shots start falling and then I knew it was over. 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.440 And Rudy good Barry that turned around. I said, all, yeah, 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.000 they not winning when those type of shots start going. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.360 And I'm like, yeah, you're not winning. But just to 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.600 have that momentum bro, like just to know you still 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.840 got heart not to give up, like most teams in 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.520 that position would. It gave up down twenty in the 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.960 middle of the third. So it was a big time 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.280 for them. So I'm definitely excited to see them versus 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:03.000 the Mavericks. 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:07.640 Well let's talk about the Nuggets too. I can't help 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.760 but wonder if you have a Bruce Brown or a 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:12.840 Jeff Green out there. I feel like people are like, 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.480 they'll make it up, They're gonna have their young guys 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.520 developed them over this year. Do you think having those 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:20.760 or missing those guys kind of affect them in the 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:21.880 long running this series? 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.920 Yeah, for sure. Like I said before, I think even though. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:30.960 The tim Woods bench didn't score a lot of points, 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.800 they got like twenty to twenty four minutes from Alexander 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.880 Walker and from Nasried. Those are big fucking minutes, you 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.160 know what I mean, When your guys need a break, 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.960 those are big minutes. And you don't got to score. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.480 How can impact the game? I mean just making stops, 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.839 doing extra stuff. Like I think the most minutes I 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.719 think somebody from the Nuggets bench party got was like 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.839 ten or eleven, you know, I mean, that's a big difference. 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.600 Yeah, and then Jamal Murray, I think, what right? 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.560 I think Reggie Jackson only played like five minutes, so 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.480 he really didn't get a break. So you go back 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.599 to what I'm say if I'm picking him up for 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.880 court the whole game, and he had it going in 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.360 the first half, then later on the second half, like 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:10.200 get tell, those shots that was easy became tougher because 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.480 he got a little bit more tired And that was 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.280 the pressure that Tim Woods kept on him throughout the 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.000 whole game and saying with yokis like Yoka is the 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:16.840 hell of a fucking player. 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.440 We know Yoki, Yeah, but you can. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.120 Tell like he played them in the whole second half 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.280 and the shots that he was making early started to 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.000 come a little bit short because he had to play 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:28.760 so much on both ends of the floor. 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.680 Can we show some love to Kat too? Like I 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.520 know we were talking about Kat was going to be 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.960 a major factor. There was some you know, not not 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.200 I don't want to say not smart, but like he 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.640 wasn't doing that thing where he was driving sort of 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.800 out of control, Like I felt like he was composed. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.120 He hit some big shots, came up defensively, like what 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:47.159 was Kat doing that? 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:48.640 Hell, well just not even just cat. 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.680 Get shout out the cat, but sure, but Jadie mcdanie's too, right, 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.520 Like he made big shots, like on that run, he 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.840 was getting defensive stops, he was making corner threes, you 0:05:57.880 --> 0:05:59.720 know what I mean. Then he was getting like offic 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.599 three rounds like Kevin Kat had big moments and you 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.840 got to enjoy that. But like I always say, it's 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.280 role players have to play well on the road in 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.200 big games for you to win. They do it at 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.280 home and you go to Indiana Series, what did they 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:19.000 role players do today yesterday? Made big shots and play well, 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.680 they win the game. The same thing with t Wolves. 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.080 Early on their role players were just okay, but they 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.479 kept them close and didn't get it going. Really, he 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.479 made some shots, but he didn't get it going for 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.040 real like we used to have been having them there 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:33.720 thirty thirty five every game forty. 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:34.760 He didn't have that. 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.680 But his guy stepped up when he needed them. And 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.599 then when it came to be that guy and to 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.240 make the big shots, to make the right plays, and 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.160 man was there for that. So you gotta give a 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:45.880 shout out just not the Cat and Jade mcday, but 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.440 to their whole team yeah. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.479 So well, we'll talk a little bit a bit about 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:54.360 it later about this MAVs and Timberwolves matchup, like two 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.880 I don't want to say youngest teams, but two teams 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.840 we didn't think we're gonna be there. And you know, 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:04.600 the Kyrie and Luca backcourt versus you know, and older 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.120 Conley and a newer guy. What do you think it's 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.480 gonna happen there? Who? I know you've been saying the 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.400 MAVs are a favorite of years in these playoffs and 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.880 if they got far, so what do you think now 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.040 after watching that Game seven, how the timberold stepped up. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:19.760 How do you think they match up against the MAVs? 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.760 They match up will I mean, it's a great matchup. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.560 But like Colley's I always say he's one of the 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.119 most underrated point guards of all time to me because 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.920 he just does his job, run his team, make big shots, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:33.600 doesn't turn the ball over. I loved him when he 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.640 was with Memphis, I mean, with Marca Saul and Tony 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.400 Allen and Zat Randolph and all those guys. 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:44.840 But now it's Jaden Mdane's and man versus Kyrie and Luca. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:46.360 You know what I mean? 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.280 Because those two are two Dogs and Tim Wolves, and 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.480 you got to lock up those two guys. And I 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.200 know that he was one a Series three one in 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.200 the regular season, but they didn't have j Washington, didn't 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.960 have Daniel Gafford in those guys are playing at a 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.800 high level. So it's gonna be exciting to see for me, Like, 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.520 I'm definitely trying to go to a game, got to 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.280 see what's going on. Yeah, I don't know, it's like 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.720 this because I love the way Man is right now. Bro, 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.560 Like Man is a dog, He's on his level. He's 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.680 he feels like it's his time, you know what I mean, 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.240 Like he's not waiting, he feels like it's his time. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.840 But it's amazing to see. You see Luke and Kyrie 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.320 from last year when they did they trade make the playoffs, 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.920 yeah to now then the West Combs Finals, and you 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.440 got to give a shout out to Derrick Jones. 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:31.200 Yep. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.080 I mean, like he's locking up, he's taking all the 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.199 tough coverages. Yeah, and he's making big shots and scoring 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.040 the ball over the end like that nobody expected. So 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.280 shout out to Derick Jones, man, Like, I feel like 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.160 it's gonna be a citing serious because he's gonna challenge 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.800 it man, you know what I mean? And man gonna 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.240 challenge him. So I'm ready to see that series. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.920 How much I've seen writers talking about the naivete or 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.360 like almost the delusion, you know, and it's about he's 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.960 twenty two, He's about to play some guys, you know 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.679 Kyrie who he probably watched as a kid in and idolized. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.040 But he's just like, I don't care almost how much 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.400 do you think that helps him? Is that like a 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.480 superpower of his that he doesn't care who's about to play? 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.920 Bro? Yes, look at it? Who is his favorite player? 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:16.720 Kevin Durant? 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:17.240 Yeah? 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.640 How do he go with Kevin Durant and the first round? 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:21.080 Yeah? 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:21.640 You know what I mean? 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.760 Like he said, it's like it's cool, bro, Like you 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.280 can idolize whoever. You can monitor a game after somebody 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.320 and think a certain person that go. But when it's 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.440 my time, it's my time. And that's how a man feel, 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.640 Like I love Kevin Durant. Go all to respect with 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.959 Kevin Durant. That's what I looked up to. But it's 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.160 my time. Yeah, And he's not backing down. Some people 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.719 get in that moment where they idolize somebody and see 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.160 that person, they don't go at them the same way 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.000 they go with somebody else. He's going to KD like, shit, 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.319 you got what I want? Yeah, and you got to 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:52.480 respect that. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.840 That's dope. Okay. I wanted to talk about Game seven 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.439 Knicks Pacers, which I think was a shock to a 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.720 lot of people. Everyone was high on the Knicks. No 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:00.360 shot for. 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.520 You, No no shot at all. That reason. Why no 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:05.720 shot because. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:09.439 I knew Josh R was hurt with a dominant train, 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.520 and I'd give him all the respect of most respect 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.640 because I know how I feel to play through that, 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:14.960 you know. I mean, like I had that injury when 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.280 I played against the Nuggets. After I dunked the ball, 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.440 I had the rest of the game and I couldn't 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.559 move the way I wanted to, you know what I mean. 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.000 But for him to get there four hours before the 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.079 before the game, when the before the lights is on, 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.679 to get up shot just to see if he can play, 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:30.680 then you gotta give a shot at the ogn and 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:32.439 ob just to try to attempt to get out there. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.840 He looked at Yeah, he made two shots, but you 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:37.520 could just tell he couldn't even run like he couldn't 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:38.040 even lift his. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:38.640 Leg to move. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.680 So I just think the injuries wore him down or 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.920 they didn't get the same impact from the players they wanted, 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.640 and the patience came out being aggressive. But the main 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.160 thing was Halliburd bro. Yeah, when he come out aggressive, 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:53.800 they're a different team. When he come out past him 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.600 and not looking to score, they'd be a different team. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.560 But said the tone though, numby being there before being 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.720 in the game seven on the road or at home. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.360 He came out letting him know, like we can win here. 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.280 We've been close before, we can win here. So that 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.520 wasn't a shock to me because just because the injuries 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:14.000 that the Knicks had, Yeah, well I was shocked. 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:18.120 You uh, you know what, here's my thought. You know, 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.920 I feel like people are I don't want to add 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.760 onto the pile one of the Knicks fans, and I 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.120 know I have a lot of Knicks friends or fan friends, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.840 and everyone's excited. But the window isn't as big as 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.839 I think everyone is describing. You know, we had the 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:34.199 Sixers team that came in not healthy. They didn't win. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:34.719 You know, the. 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.920 Pacers knocked on the Bucks, and the Pacers are a 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.079 newer team to the playoffs again and they beat them. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.360 And I think that the Knicks there is an issue 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.520 here about Tibbs playing seven guys over plans to these 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.000 guys Josh Hart, you said, was her og interviews her. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.040 I do think that there wasn't this like almost like 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.520 being able to conserve his roster a little bit better 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.280 for these longer series. So and and we again we've 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.520 talked about him episodes. Tyres Haliburton hasn't gotten to going 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.160 the way he was in the first half the season, 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.560 and he got it going fourteen that first quarter, and 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.520 I was like, man, this is gonna be tough for 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.839 the Knicks. And I loved if you watch that whole game, 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.800 which I know you did, the Knicks were slowly, they 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.240 were having these little runs eight no eight no runs, 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.120 and the Pacers came back because they had I think 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.440 they're you know, their defense was being criticized this whole year. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.280 I thought they played incredible defense, and they were hitting 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:30.319 big shots from their role players neamhar like getting rebounds, 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.880 so I wasn't shocked. I was I was like, man, 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.480 this is this is exciting because I do think that 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.360 they do have a chance against the Celtics, especially with 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.040 porzingis hurt. But yeah, man, I think uh, I think 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:45.800 people were hyping up the Knicks a little bit too much, 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.080 and I think the Pacers came and did what they've 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.440 been doing that you know, sort of made this, uh 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.560 made them a playoffs team. So yeah, it's gonna be 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.760 it'll be more interesting. I'm rocking the Pacers sack because 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.240 I do think it might be an interesting Eastern Conference 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.000 Finals more than people are are hyping it up to 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:02.200 be not hyping up to be. 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.199 So I think it'd be interesting. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.560 But I think, I mean, I know the Celtics were 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.320 your pick from the middle of. 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:12.839 I'm just saying because they've been there before. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.240 I watched him play in the finals against the Warriors 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.000 two years ago with a two year ago yeah, two 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.320 years ago. Yeah, yeah, So I know they got the 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.120 pieces to do it, and I know they like they 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.680 made the trade to get Drawiday. Somebody's been there before, 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.200 they can keep them settle. 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.959 Uh. I just think it's like what all Present has 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.600 been there now it has to be great for them. Yeah, 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.160 you know what I mean, because. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.160 Before he was the back of the row where he 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:36.920 didn't have to be special, just come in and spot 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.959 mens and do his job, and I think he has to. 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:40.760 Be special for them. 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:45.120 But at the same time, it's if Jalen Brunton gave 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.120 you fits for seven games, right, you have Tatum and 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:49.320 Brown is gonna give you fits. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.439 Now It's not just one player, you know. 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.079 I mean, it's multiple guys that can go get forty 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:55.080 or fifty any moments. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.079 So I think it'd be a siting. I think it's 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:58.680 gonna be fun. 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.160 But I feel like for them holding Preziingers back the 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:07.800 first two games, I think the Celtis feel comfortable, yeah, 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:09.880 because if not, you would have bought Brazilians back. Now 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.240 we had a lot of time off, he's been resting, 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:14.880 and I think if you can hold him out a 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:16.520 little bit longer and wait to the finals to have 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.520 him if you get there, and that's better for them. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.120 That's how I look at it. For them, they're looking 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.400 at the bigger picture because if not, they lose game one. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.280 You know, you know, I go when Dallas played Utah 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.080 a couple years ago, they said, luk out the first 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.720 couple games, Jaalen Brusting and Spencer Dimwity was going crazy, 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.120 right and all right, we won the first game are 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:34.440 we gonna hold look it back another game? 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:36.280 Just save you now. He can be conservative. 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.600 Now if the such to lose game one, you don't know, 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.760 Brazilians might pop out that game too. Hold on now. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.400 So we'll see though. But I'm really excited for the 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:45.720 MAVs and t Wolves here though. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:46.520 Yeah. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.040 Well conference finals are here. It's gonna be dope. One 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.120 last question before we go to break. Some video came out. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.600 You were up at euybl and your AAU team was 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.520 playing up in Indianapolis and you met the new Kentucky 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.160 coach Mark Pope. Just want to get you know a 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.080 little bit. What was the exchange you guys had and 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:03.840 how was that meeting? 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.280 It shocked me because I just went to you know, 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:09.400 I was going, like I said, I was going to 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.480 watch games, and uh he was right there. So he 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:14.840 dapped somebody up and instead of like what's something, I'm like, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.960 what's up? I said? H. I said, all respect, all 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.320 respect to you, wish you the best of look there, 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:23.880 and I'm always gonna support the school, I mean, no 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:25.480 matter what. Like I love coach Kyle, you know, I 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:26.880 mean I've seen Cayl when I was down to also 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.240 talked to him. Talk to all the guys that's there 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.320 that went with them, and they's still love for the 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:33.720 school I played for, you know. I mean like they 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.400 got love for me. I'm in the Hall of Fame there, 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.360 so there's no love lost, you know. I mean like 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.080 I still respect coach Kyle. I'm still gonna show a 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.200 love to Coach Kyle. I'm still gonna go to games. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.360 But I also wanted to build a relationship with the 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.280 new coach. I mean, because that's the school that I 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.440 went to when I played for, and I met coach 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.960 Jason Hardale was right there and he was like, don't worrybody, bro, 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:54.160 We're gonna ma sure you get all the gear. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.240 I'm gonna get you all the gear that's coming through. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:57.520 And I was like, that's cool. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.400 I respect it, but just just to see him bitterlytionship 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.160 with him, get to know him a little bit and 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:03.920 try to figure out how you got things going and 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:05.560 what path he's going with you. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:05.920 I mean. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.760 So it was all love and respect and we dap 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.200 each other up. Then I went to another game later 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.320 on after I got some ful. He was like, are 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.840 you following me everywhere? I'm like, no, you're probably looking 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:17.160 at the star player the same way I want to 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.360 see the star player play. So it was exciting just 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.320 to get a little chemistry and better relationship with him. 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.680 That's dope. I saw people yelling, big balloon. It's just cool, my. 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.200 Because you gotta you know, you know, Kentucky's right there 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.000 right in the enda's not too far from Kentucky. So, 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.400 like I said, walking through and meeting people and seeing people, 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.400 it was so many Kentucky fans there. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.840 That's awesome. All right, Well, we're gonna hit break here. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.880 We're gonna have Draymond Green joining us next on Point 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:44.360 Game percent by Draft Kings. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:45.040 We'll be right back. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.400 Welcome back to Point Game with John Wall and CJ 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.760 Toldonnald percent it by DraftKings. We are so excited right 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.800 now to welcome for time NBA All Star, four time 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.200 NBA Champion forward for the Golden State Warriors, Ladies and gentlemen, 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.560 Draymond Green on Point Game. What up, Draymond? 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:08.920 What's up? Fellas? How y'all doing? 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:09.080 Man? 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.639 I appreciate y'all having me appreciate it. Hey, you forgot me. 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.200 He had two time gold meda Olympics and one Defensive 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:15.399 Player of the year. So don't forget this. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:16.520 I only got so much. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.159 You got to do that, and and broadcasting appreciate it. 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:26.920 Jay got to give him that. That's my most important 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:28.520 job these days, broadcasting. 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.520 Well, I was gonna actually start off the interview by saying, 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.280 I mean, we just saw you on TV a few 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.240 hours ago doing Inside, and you got the podcast that's 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.520 killing You're killing it off the court right now, and 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:40.800 it's you know, one of the first years of you 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.680 not in the postseason. So I just wanted to see 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.480 how you're feeling about that, Like you've been able to 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.760 just sit back and kind of like analyze these whole playoffs, 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:50.439 and I want to know how that feels to do 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:51.200 for the first time. 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.879 You know what, it's been a different experience watching the 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.720 playoffs from the beginning, essentially without a dog in the fight, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:02.239 you know, you know, you're not watching it for you know, 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.680 what could be a matchup later in the series or 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.200 you know, scouting teams, kind of just watching it as 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.640 a fan, you know, and breaking down the game obviously 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:13.320 on the podcast and doing Inside last night. But it's 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.200 been a totally different experience for me. It's one that 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.520 if I'm honest, I've tried to enjoy every bit of it, 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.679 from the extra time off that I haven't had, and 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.080 spending time with my family, going to some events like 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.480 F one Miami with my friends that I have never 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.960 been to, and so trying to enjoy it yet but 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.760 at the same time, and sitting and understanding, like, yo, 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.360 next year, like we need to be back in the fight. 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.520 It's no fun sitting over here on the sideline and. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:44.040 Watching, yeah, for sure, Like basically speaking on that, like 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:45.480 what do you think you and your warriors got to 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.040 do to get back to that deep playoff run? 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:47.320 You know me? 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.240 Because when you're so used to seeing y'all in the 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.879 playoffs and you see y'all out early, it's like we 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:53.480 don't expect it at all, you know, I mean, because 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.160 I know that's what you're used to. And like you said, 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.679 we're definitely embracing the time to be around your family 0:18:57.720 --> 0:18:59.800 and go to turin events you missed. But I know 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:01.320 you who the dog you are. You want to be 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:02.680 in the playoffs. You want to be competing for a 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.960 championship one percent. 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:05.560 Jay Waller. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:07.840 Honestly, I think it's just my way in my mind 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.560 of trying to tell myself, I'm okay, you know, trying 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.400 to like trying to fool myself into believing like, yo, 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:17.960 I'm good, Like it's cool. But the reality is, I think, uh, 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.120 you know, like when I really take a step back 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.760 and look at it, like from an honest advantage point, 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.239 like I gotta play, like I gotta be out there. 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.800 I played fifty five games this year, which is not 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.760 nearly enough to help this team be successful. I played 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:39.640 fifty five games. We won forty forty six games this year. Yeah, 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.320 we're forty six and thirty six, you know, So if 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.520 I don't miss. 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.520 Twenty seven games, Uh yeah, I think that's the man. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.000 If I don't miss twenty seven games, say we win 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.240 half of those games, you know, half of the twenty 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.639 seven I missed, all of a sudden, we're a fifty 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.520 plus win team, you know, and it's a totally different 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:00.919 ball game. And so I think for me, it's just 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:05.560 understanding the stakes, understanding you know, where where my growth 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.280 need to be in and being available for my team 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.200 so that I know we're not dropping games that we're 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.040 supposed to win. When I look at this season, we 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:17.480 probably lost ten games literally that we easily should have won, 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.560 you know, and that is a direct impact on a 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:25.000 direct inflection of me missing games, us not building the 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.240 continuity that we need to build in order to win 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.760 at the highest level. And I got to take that 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.640 on the chain, you know, when you when everybody want 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.240 to celebrate when the glory is there, everybody want it's me, 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.639 it's me, But when it don't go so well, we 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:40.480 all want to point the finger the other way, you know. 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:42.840 For me, I take that on the chain. I fucked 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.919 this season off and I have to be better. And 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.760 I think, you know, with me being better, I think 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.520 you know, we're capable of still winning. Do we need 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.080 to shore some things up. Of course, every team in 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:56.840 the NBA, I don't care who the team is. If 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.320 a team win a championship this year, you have to 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.560 get better. Can't fool ourselves. We didn't make the playoffs, 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:04.959 so we got a lot of growing to do. And 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:06.960 I think, you know, with a few tweaks here and there, 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.280 I think this team can make another run at it. 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.600 Because when I look at these teams that's in the 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.480 playoffs now, I don't see any of them that can't 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.040 be beat. And so, you know, if we could put 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:18.960 it back together, which I have no doubt that we will. 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:20.760 I think we could be right back there. Yeah, I 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:22.000 think right on the nose. 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:23.600 Just because you said, like you're the leader, you know 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:25.760 what I mean, you the voice of that team, the 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.080 dog he brings to that team. You just get them. 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:30.080 A lot of players that don't have that if the 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.600 other if that they wish they had. And you could 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.040 tell when you're not there, it's a big difference. And 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:36.880 you know you probably heard your whole crib people say, 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.680 well Dremond not did goodies not that good. It doesn't matter. 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:41.800 I impact the game in so many ways. I don't 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:43.760 have to score. I don't have to get thirty for 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:45.840 my team. And when I do the little things, and 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:47.399 you could tell you can feel the impact when you 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:48.719 wasn't there a lot of games. 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:52.800 Absolutely, and honestly, if when I'm sitting at home watching 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.159 like I could feel it. You know, I'm not an idiot, 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.720 Like I'm not crazy, so you know, to sit there 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:00.639 and watch it like that shit burned me up, man like, 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.800 because I know, you know, I see certain things and 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:07.600 I'm like, man like, I should have been right there, 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:09.679 like and I know I would have been there to 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.200 cut that off, like, oh man, this guy just went 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.640 for forty. Although that's not my match up, per se, 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.760 that wouldn't have been my match up. I could have 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.440 affected our defense in a way to where that guy 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:22.720 didn't get forty, to where he didn't feel as comfortable 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:24.240 because I could have came and helped. I could have 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.679 done this to kind of throw off their you know, 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.879 throw off their momentum. So, man, when I'm sitting at 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.560 home watching it, like I know, it's not the same team, 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:34.040 and by the way, like. 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:36.680 It shouldn't be. 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.160 You know, if we miss I think, you know, especially 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.320 for what I do on both ends of the floor, 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:43.119 obviously for what I do on the defensive end of 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.200 the floor, but also being a playmaker on the floor 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:50.480 for our offense. Like I can sit there and watch 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:52.439 it and I know, you know, if STEP's not out there, 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.000 if play's not out there, it's a different team, you know, 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:57.560 and it changes the dynamic of the team completely. And 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:01.240 so now, man, it's just really having that sense of accountability, 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:04.920 knowing accepting where I fell short of the glory. 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:06.199 And making sure I do the things I have to 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:06.879 do to correct that. 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:09.800 For sure, Yeah, dream on it. It is a big 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:11.560 what if and I love what you said about if 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:13.199 you had played in the games that you miss you 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:14.919 would have won at least half of those, right, And 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.000 so just getting you guys in the postseason, I feel 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:20.480 like it resets, like your record doesn't matter. You guys 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:24.200 are the you know, dynastic Warriors. So like, how and 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.600 we're seeing these young teams in the playoffs, like you 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:29.919 guys have a different mentality in playoffs, Like there's a 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.959 playoff Lebron, Like I think there's a playoff Warrior, So like, 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:35.680 how how far do you think you guys could have 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:37.280 gone if you just made that plass Because it really 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:38.800 all it was is you had one bad game to 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:40.320 play in for sure. 0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:42.439 You know what, when I sit back and that's well 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:44.359 number one, that's one of the reasons you want to 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:46.040 try to avoid the play in. Like we've been in 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:48.480 the player now a couple of times. We fell misserable 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:52.879 each time, and you know, and just understanding like that 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.359 college type vibe where listen, you got one game and 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.280 you need everything to go right in that game because 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:02.879 the best team isn't always going to win that one game, 0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:05.959 which is what makes the NBA playoffs so special. 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:07.680 It's like usually over the course of a. 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:11.560 Seven game series, more often than not, the better team 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:13.560 is going to win the series. Over the course of 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:15.720 a seven game series. And when you get into the 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.240 play in situation, if you're nine to ten and you 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:21.199 got one game and need to win to get a 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:23.800 second one. If you're the seven eight, you got two games, 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:27.919 but it's just it's no guaranteed you're gonna shoot well, Like, 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:30.320 it's too many variables going into it that at this 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:33.639 level we're no longer accustomed to. You know, you're not 0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:37.679 accustomed to the one and dumb mentality anymore. So I 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:40.359 think for us, number one is trying to avoid that 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:43.600 playing like it's too dangerous, you know, we haven't been 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:44.480 successful in it. 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:45.880 But then also. 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:51.199 Understanding for us that if we get in the playoffs, 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:53.480 there's anyone that wants to face us. 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:54.760 Like if you are. 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.399 One seed a two seed, you do all of this 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.399 work all year and then you gotta face us in 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:03.399 the first round. Nobody want to fucking do that. You know, 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:07.920 it was like Miami this year, Like Boston does all 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.200 this work all year and then you face Miami heat 0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:14.200 in the first round. Now, granted, Jimmy Butler was hurt 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:18.680 kind of changes the series a ton, but psychologically what 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:20.800 that can do to you. And so I know that 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:24.320 for us to get in, just get in, give ourselves 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:27.160 a chance. Like when we won the championship in twenty 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:31.720 twenty two, I remember telling my boys right before the 0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:34.119 playoffs started, like, y'all, I'll see all that F one 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:36.240 that was the first year at F one Miami. And 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:38.240 I'm like, yo, I'll see all that F one because 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:42.320 we're not winning, Like I can't see us making the past. 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.359 The first round like I and. 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:50.800 And we want a championship, you know, And that's just 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:54.359 like giving ourselves a chance to actually do it and 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:56.680 look at the outcome. And so I think for us, 0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:00.679 the mindset just have to be to get there and 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.040 not get there through the play and make sure we 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.080 have a good enough season where we're in that top six. 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:07.600 And then once you in the top six, injuries happen, 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:09.840 anything happening from there, it's just the roll of the 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.000 shake of the dice tracks. 0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:13.920 So you, out of all people, know what it takes 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.040 to win the finals and be a champion. What team 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.200 you watch so far in the playoff you think got 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:20.119 the opportunity and got the keys to win the outside 0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:21.840 of the Nuggets, because you know they won it last year. 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.120 If you see any other team other than the Demos, 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:26.160 the one team you really see that got what it is, 0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:27.640 it takes man. 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:31.720 Honestly, the team that I love right now is Dallas. 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:38.119 And the reason I love Dallas is they have every 0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:41.840 piece that you need in order to win win the championship. 0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.840 They got wing defenders, they got big men and a 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:46.960 couple of big men that they can rotate. Dwight Potle 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:50.080 doesn't even play. Dwight Potle is a very service super 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:52.600 big man in the NBA does not see the court, 0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:55.320 you know. When so when you look at a the 0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:57.800 depth that they have, you know, you got Josh Green 0:26:57.880 --> 0:26:59.480 coming off the bench that can mix it up. Tim 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:03.439 Hardaway off the bench that hasn't had necessarily the shooting 0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:05.800 year that we've brought a custom to him happening in 0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.359 his career. But you know, at any moment he can 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.840 get hot. A couple of games ago, Game two, he 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:12.920 got hot. He changed the game in the second half, 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.080 you know. So I just think that they are a 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:19.120 team that has the pieces around the guys to make 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:20.919 it all work. You know, when you look at Luca. 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.480 When you look at Kyrie and what they bring to 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.280 the game, like those are two of the most unguardable 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.760 guys in our league. You know, on any given night 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.119 they both can go for forty. That is the makeup 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.080 of a championship team because it's can you win on 0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:38.640 those nights when your stars can't get it gone? Can 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.639 your defense uphold you enough just to give you a 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:43.600 chance to win? And their defense has done that with 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:47.400 the additions of Big Daniel Gafford, with the addition of PJ. Washington, 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.360 Derrick Jones Junior being there this year has changed their 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:53.960 defensive mentality. And so you know, those guys and so man, 0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:57.200 I just think they got the pieces to do it now. 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:02.080 I do think it's going to fall on Luca's mindset, 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:06.040 Like what when I see Luca at times this year, 0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:09.199 I'm saying, I say, damn, Luca, RAI to win a championship. 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:12.320 He defended, he competed, But are you going to do 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.440 that when it don't go well? You know, when it's 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.560 not going great, when the team is making a run, 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:20.120 are you still going to compete that same way? 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:20.639 You know? 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:22.639 And I think that's the next step for Luca and 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.960 I know he's more than capable of that because he's able. 0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:28.200 To do that in spurts. So now how much longer 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:29.240 can you put that together? 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.320 And then also I think the leadership of Kyrie, man, Like, 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.200 nobody want to get that man this credit because all 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.080 the things that he'd been through, the leadership of Kyrie 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:37.880 has been stellar. 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:38.200 Man. 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:39.280 And when you. 0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.000 Watch the growth of a young guy like Kyrie who 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.920 thought he was a leader, fell miserably as a leader, 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:46.720 then come out and say I failed. I know why, 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.120 and you see him make the corrections, like you can 0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.680 only respect that. So I think that team is poised 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.720 for a run. They got it right there in front 0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:55.080 of him. 0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:55.400 Yep. 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.400 Yeah, speaking on Kyrie because I feel like, you know, 0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.560 so many people were him like he's done, he's washed. 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.040 Like even I'm a Lakers famby boy, like we don't 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.520 need Kyrie, the Kyrie of Old's Gune and he's obviously 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.320 come back here. What do you attribute Kyrie? You know, 0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.600 feeling like he's fitting in. He's probably gonna be in 0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:14.840 Dallas for a minute now, Like, what do you attribute that? 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:15.240 That too? 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:19.000 Number one, the growth of Kyrie. You know, everybody wants 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.080 to take credit for a guy when they do well. 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:23.240 No one wants to take the blame for a guy 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.560 when they're failing. And so number one, the growth of Kyrie, 0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:28.840 the structure of his life. You know, when you take 0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:31.560 a step back and you look at Kyrie's life. And 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:33.880 by the way, we don't know his life. I'm not 0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:36.120 going to sit here and try to act like through 0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.120 a TV screen we know his life. But you get 0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:41.840 a good sense of what someone's life is just by 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:45.240 watching them and how they operate this entire thing. And 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:50.080 number one, the structure of his life. Always with his wife, 0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:53.160 always with his kids, focused on the task at hand, 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:57.960 doing everything that he can do with this team, Like 0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:01.000 you know, at times, I think, and when you're a 0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.240 great player, is gonna happen. I think at times sometimes 0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:07.560 Luca tend to overdribble or want to overdo. 0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:07.760 It at times. 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.920 Now, I've never been Luka Donci's I've never had that 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.360 responsibility as a as an NBA player, so I can 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.880 imagine it has to be some of that, right, Like, 0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.160 in order to be one of those guys, you gotta 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:20.360 press the issue a little bit. 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:21.000 So I get it. 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.080 But when you have a guy like Kyrie, Irvis sometimes 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:25.640 you don't have to press the issue. You can just 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.880 get off of it. And a lot of times when 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:31.120 you see stuff like that, gods dropped their heads, god 0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:34.120 slump their shoulders walking back, they're bickering each other. 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.200 You never, ever, ever, no matter. 0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:40.400 The situation, see that from Kyrie. Ever, whether it's toward 0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:44.120 Luka Doncis, whether it's tour Tim Hardaway, whether Derek Jones, 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.680 Julian don't make the extra swing swing to Kyrie. You 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:50.280 never see Kyrie drop his shoulders or anything. They miss 0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:52.040 the shot, they could turn the ball over. He's like, Yo, 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:54.560 come on, let's go, Let's get back. Like his demeanor 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.960 and attitude is what I think is really carrying his team. 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:04.160 And man, I'm so thankful to see his growth because 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:06.720 I know how it is when everybody's trying to tear 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:09.320 you down, like j Wall. You know how that feel 0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:11.240 when everybody trying to tear you down, when you're in 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:16.160 a position of you know, the position that we're in 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:19.640 in the NBA and specific all starting like these people 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:22.920 build you up just to tear you down. And watched 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.120 everybody trying to tear that man down in the way 0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:28.120 he shook back the way he's continued to grow. 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:29.800 Yeah, it was a lot of teams. 0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:32.280 Lakers included a lot of teams saying, ah, man, we 0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.680 don't need Kyrie no more. And you see what he's 0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:39.160 going to Dallas and doing. Then, Also credit to Nico Harrison. 0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:43.040 I think it's very important that they gave Kyrie a 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:46.400 safe space to beat Kyrie. They didn't ask Kyrie. You know, 0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:48.760 I had Mark Cuban on my show a couple of 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:50.600 months ago. They didn't ask Kyrie to come in there 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.680 and be somebody different than who Kyrie is. 0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:54.040 And they took the time. 0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:57.120 Nico obviously been building that relationship for a long time 0:31:57.120 --> 0:31:59.360 through Nike, but they've taken the time to get to 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.880 know the man. And when you take the time to 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:03.680 get to know the man, you're seeing the product of 0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:05.600 that on the court. And I think it's some beautiful thing. 0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:07.960 Yeah, you can tell you he said. He said, I 0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:10.000 feel like I'm at home. You feel like he had peace. 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:11.520 He don't have to worry about trying to fake it 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:14.120 to be somebody he's not. And that's the biggest kid, 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:16.360 He's going to be yourself. And also he say he's learned, 0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:18.920 He's learned so much from being lebron in the past 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:21.520 and going to the finals and winning and losing, then 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.600 going to Boston and things don't go the way he wanted. 0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:25.240 Like you said, a lot of people say, oh, he 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:26.680 don't have it no more. Do you know who Kyrie 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.120 Irvy is? Do you know how special he is? But 0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:31.400 like you said, his leadership and the way he's defended 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.400 surprised me more than anything because all my battles I 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.680 had with him in Cleveland and Boston, I'm like, I 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:38.760 never seen him defending this level. Like you said, you 0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.600 don't put his head down. He's clapping when a mistake happened. 0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:43.320 He's not worried about that. He's like the next play, 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.720 let's move on, Let's move on. So he's definitely learned 0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:46.480 over the years. 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.600 Absolutely. I think what he's doing on the defensive end 0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:53.200 is is uh. It's also set in the tone because 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:56.280 you see him trying to check whoever it is that 0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:59.680 he needs to check. He pressuring, He pressuring J dubb 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.840 and how court J douv six eight, fast, big body, 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.560 Kyrie preshing this man at half court. That sets the 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:08.560 tone for the team. Then guess what you see him pressure? 0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:10.840 Then J dob get to switch on Luca Lucas sit 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.960 down for us a tough shot like that. Stuff is contagious, man, 0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.560 And I respect the way ky is competing. It ain't 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.760 no matter who he's on, he's competing. He's in front 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:21.640 of that guy. He's sitting down. Every now and then 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:23.440 guy hit him with the shoulder or something because they're 0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:25.640 a little bigger. And you see the next play he 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:27.000 right there sitting down again. 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:30.000 Man. So man, I give a lot of credit to Kyrie. 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.600 Man, Like I said, we all you know, everybody want 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.040 to throw stones when they get the opportunity to throw 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.080 the stones. But the love don't be like that. Man, shit, 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.080 the love gonna be like that from this way because 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.480 I respect and love to see what he's doing. Man, 0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.320 it's incredible to watch for sure. 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.400 So you definitely embrace this podcast platform. What do you 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:50.120 see next to yourself in his space? You know a 0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:52.560 lot of players sometime we wait till he done plan 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:54.680 to do it? You said, fuck it, I'm doing a 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:56.480 wind plan and a lot of people don't have the 0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.240 courage in it nots to do that. They might be 0:33:59.280 --> 0:33:59.959 a little scared. 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.320 Well, you know what number one I think for me, 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.040 when I first started. It was my first year was 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.920 the year that we won the championship, and all year 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.839 people like, man, why you doing a podcast? Like you're 0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.319 playing you're playing these games, then you more focused on 0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:20.520 your podcast. You shouldn't be doing that, while they let 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:22.920 them do the podcast, stay off the microphone, nobody want 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.520 to hear you, blah blah blah. And then we go 0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:29.520 win the championship and now all of a sudden, it's 0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:33.440 cool everybody's doing and it's no big deal. And so honestly, 0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.400 I like to look at it like I broke a barrier. 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:39.000 Not that I broke a barrier in being the first 0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:41.719 to do a podcast, like the first active athlete or 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.439 anything like that to do a podcast, because that's far 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:47.120 from the fucking truth. And I don't want anybody to 0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:49.680 think that's what I'm trying to say. But the beating 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:53.960 that I took on a daily basis to actively like 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:58.480 come with two three episodes in a week, actually be 0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:02.080 locked in on building my own platform, building my own outlet, 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.719 and having to be successful. Like the beating that I 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:08.120 would take on a daily basis for me was fun 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.560 to watch. It also made it very fun to win 0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:12.680 the championship. And throw it in everybody's face. Oh and 0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:15.200 by the way, that same podcast that you said, I 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:20.200 can do while everybody's in their partying in TD Garden. 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.160 Because that's why our celebration was at till six o'clock 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.200 in the morning. While everybody's in their party until three am. 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.040 I'm working on podcasts shit, and then I go join 0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:33.400 the party. But that to me, why because it's a sacrifice, 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:35.360 Like I'm trying to build something special. I'm trying to 0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.560 build something that when I'm done, as I move forward, 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:42.520 that I built something that can sustain past me playing basketball. 0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:45.399 And so when I look at the podcast space, ay, 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:47.920 I love the growth of it. 0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:49.280 I love how. 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:54.120 Athletes has taken their their own media boy storm. They're 0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.359 telling their own stories, They're creating their own narratives and 0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:59.920 not really creating a narrative from the standpoint of what 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.200 we see in the media today, but controlling the narrative 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.759 I think would be a better way of saying it, 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:09.160 you know, and controlling our own narratives, not getting giving 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.600 other people the opportunity to control what it is that's 0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:14.840 said on my name, Like no, you can go straight 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.279 to the source, and men, I want to continue to 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:19.680 grow this thing, you know, in partnering with the volume 0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.320 the way that I have continue to you know, my 0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:26.279 next goal is to bring other talent in that want 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:28.320 to get into the space and get them opportunities to 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:31.480 build their own platforms as well. And so just want 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:33.640 to continue to do that help on that side, continue 0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:36.279 to see the space grow, and ultimately I think we're 0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:37.560 in the beginning phases of it. 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:39.960 Man, Like I think, you know, this is just the 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:40.960 tip of the iceberg. 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.880 And with athletes and their own podcasts and you know, 0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:46.160 how the podcast space is working, and I think that 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:48.800 will continue to grow when you look at all the 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:52.160 platforms and the smart people that we have building these 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:54.400 platforms and these outlets for us to take advantage of. 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.960 Okay, Draymond's staying on your story, man, I think you 0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:00.359 know someone that's on the internet and interesting conversation. They 0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:02.319 were like if an alien landing on the planet, and 0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:05.359 they asked what Draymond Green Green's game was, Like how 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.839 would you describe it? And people said, you are the 0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.719 goat of intangibles, and so I wanted to know because 0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:12.319 every kid, I feel like, who's trying to get better 0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:14.719 at basketballs out there working on their handles, working on 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.600 the plays are going to be you know, cut for highlights. 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:18.640 So I wanted to know how did you work on 0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:20.319 your game and how did you was there like a 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:22.120 moment when you were younger and you realize, Man, I 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.200 got to work on every aspect to get to the next. 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.520 Level, you know what. I think, it's just kind of 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:32.360 the evolution of time, you know, at the evolution of 0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:36.239 my game, because you know, I always me and Travis 0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:39.879 we always travels has trained me every year since I've 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:41.360 been in the NBA. So we've been at it for 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:45.480 twelve years. And one of my closest friends og at 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:47.480 Michigan State, and we've been together and we continue to 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:52.120 grow from a business aspect, but we oftentimes sit and 0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:55.640 talk about basketball. And I always find it very interesting 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:59.759 when people are like, especially young kids, are like ya, 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:04.160 I'm Draymond Green, and you know in their mind that 0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.920 means like I don't score, but I do the little 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:10.759 things and I'm gonna make it that way. And don't 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:14.399 get me wrong, and I wholeheartedly believe that you can't 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:17.239 make it doing the little things like you can, but 0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:20.800 like I used to score the fuck out the basketball, 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:24.000 like my whole life. I scored the basketball, you know, 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:28.240 Like I didn't really play defense in college. I played. 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:32.080 I was really like great help side defender. But I 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:36.120 remember making All Defense, Big Ten, All Big Ten Defense 0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:40.240 my senior year, and my assistant coach, coach DJ, laughed 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.040 in my face, like they put you on this team 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.879 because your name, and I'm like nah, like I Jack, 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:48.200 Like well, I'm a great help side defender and like 0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:52.120 my focus was just always a score when I got 0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:55.600 to the NBA, and playmate, when I got to the NBA, 0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.240 that wasn't gonna get me on the floor. Why because 0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:01.400 we had Steph Kurr. We had Klay Thompson, we had 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:04.560 David Lee, we had Corlandry, we had JR. Jack, we 0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.440 had Richard Jefferson, we have Brandon Rush. Like these are 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.759 all guys that have some on some level, put the 0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:14.120 whole put the ball in the basket their entire careers. 0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.279 And now I'm gonna come in the second round pick 0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:19.759 behind Harrison Barnes, who's the number seven pick, And I'm 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:21.440 want to come in the second round pick, and they 0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:23.600 about to get me the ball. That's not happening. And 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.439 so I quickly realized, like yo, My way on the 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:30.360 court for this team is to defend. Make the little 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:34.520 players bring toughness, right, So that's my way on the floor. Cool, 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:36.560 that's how I got to get on the floor. Well 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.759 with that, However, you come into the NBA, what you 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.319 come into the NBA doing, you can never stop doing 0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:46.799 that thing. You can become a better shooter, you can 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:48.919 become a better play American, you can become a better 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:51.360 ball handler, you can get a better post game. You 0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:53.279 can do all of those things and add them to 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.680 your game. But what you can never stop doing is 0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:59.040 the thing that got you on the floor, the reason 0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:00.880 that somebody put you on the floor. In the NBA, 0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:03.640 you can never stop doing. Steph Curry can never stop 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:07.000 shooting the basketball. Steph can't come in and be like, Yo, 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.320 I'm just defending, like fuck shooting the three. I'm just defending. 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:12.520 Like nobody want to see you just defend, bro, We 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:14.480 want to shoot. See you shoot the basketball. That's what 0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.000 you do. You know, now, guess what you can do 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:20.200 Steph Curry and what you've done. You can get better defensively, 0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:22.719 you can become a better two way player. You can 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.160 add that to your game. But oh, by by all, means, brother, 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:28.040 you must shoot this basketball like that is what you do, 0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:30.640 that's who you are. You will never be a good 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:35.480 enough defender to supplement not shooting the basketball, just like 0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:39.239 I'll never be a good enough shooter to not supplement defendant. 0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:43.280 And so for me, like I knew that I always 0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:46.480 had to defend, all right, So start to build my career. 0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:49.719 You know, I'm averaging and my average is going up 0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:51.799 each and every year, right, Like, I get to a 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:56.440 point where I'm averaging fifteen the game, and that's trending upward. 0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.759 And then Kevin Durant comes and every player that I 0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:02.680 have in the playbook is no longer my play They 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:04.120 now all go to Kevin Durant. 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:06.120 And so for me, all right, let me. 0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:09.120 Identify this situation now, because this is a different situation, 0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:10.400 this is a different team. 0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:12.719 What role do I need to play? Right? 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.359 What a role that I need to play is I 0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:17.160 need to go back to doing all of those little 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:19.520 things I need to make sure I'm getting these guys shots, 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.319 both from passing the ball, screen and doing everything that 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:24.719 I can to put these three guys in the best 0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:26.920 position that they want to be in where they like 0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:28.080 to score the basketball. 0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:30.239 That's my role. Let me take that on, all right. 0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:32.560 So then as that becomes a thing, now you're no 0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:34.839 longer looked at as you can score the basketball. Right, 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.839 so now I'm strictly just looked at as he can 0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.840 play mate and he can defend. No longer looked at 0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:43.360 as oh, we can go to him to get a bucket, 0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:45.400 we can run this set and get him in some 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:48.200 action so that he can get That's no longer the 0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:50.320 case for me. And so then that kind of becomes 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:53.920 who you are. And so then that's what it became 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:59.080 for me. And I've never cared to go to Steve like, oh, coach, 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:00.920 Like I don't have a single playing the playbook? What 0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:02.319 can you do for me? You know, like can you 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:04.680 add these plays? Like I don't care. I'm gonna go 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:07.080 affect the game in any way that I can affect 0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:10.759 the game. So that's Uh. It's always a funny thing 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.960 to me when I watch like younger guys or a 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:16.680 parent life. Yeah, my son is the next dry mind. 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.239 It's like your son don't score, Like now, brother, you 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.200 should teach them how to score. Because in order for 0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:26.040 me to become who I become, at some point I 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:28.359 had to fucking score the basketball. Now, yes, I had 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.120 to do. I always could do the other things. And 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:33.880 I had coaches and I'm blessed in my life. Coach Dawkins, 0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:38.640 Coach Speedy, coach Bruce Uh, coachize Like I've had coaches 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:42.040 in my life along the way, my uncle to teach 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:44.800 me the fundamentals of the game and all the little 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:46.960 things that need to do and the things that what 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:47.759 it takes to win. 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:50.160 And so I was able to make that adjustment. But 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:52.360 I used to score the basketball. 0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:54.600 And I think you know that, you know, as everybody 0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:58.399 always say, like you don't have to score, Like I'm 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:01.560 be honest, you gotta be a score the basketball. You 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:03.680 just you gotta be up score. 0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:08.520 So I read a few artists were emphasize and talk 0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:11.200 about understanding the business, where as a business of basketball 0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:11.600 taught you. 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:17.280 Man, you know what Number one, you can't have feelings 0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:17.880 in business. 0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:18.880 Uh. 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.319 You know when when you're dealing with this business of basketball, man, 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:24.719 it is for a lot of us, we grow up 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:26.560 just playing it because we love it, and then we 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:28.680 see a means to get out, you know, and it's 0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:33.000 like when you see the means to get out, you're 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.640 like Oh, that's my way out of Saginaw, Michigan. Like, 0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:39.799 that's my way out of Raleigh, North Carolina. The way 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:42.680 I know Raleigh, North Carolina. Well, people knowing Raleigh, North 0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:46.120 Carolina today, isn't the Raleigh that that John Wall grew 0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:49.359 up in, right, Like, that's that's my way out of here. 0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:51.760 So then you see it as a as a means 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.279 to get out. And by the way, where we come from, 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:56.600 it's the only means of getting out. Ain't no other 0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.280 way out. It's either that go try to be a rapper. 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:04.480 From what we've been taught now, nobody taught us that 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:06.760 the guy who plays in the NBA got a lawyer. 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.640 Nobody taught us that the guy in the NBA has 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:11.760 an accountant firm or a family office. 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:12.839 Nobody taught us that. 0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.399 Nobody taught us until Rich Paul that the guy has 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:18.640 an agent. And by the way, it can be somebody 0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:20.840 that looked like you. Nobody taught us that. You know 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:22.960 what they taught us, Hey man, you gotta go be 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:25.799 the talent, you gotta go play. You gotta break your 0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:28.680 body down in order to make a better living for yourself. 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:30.920 You know what we all say. Okay, I'm going to 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:33.000 do it right, and I'm very thankful to be in 0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:34.000 a position. 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:35.839 That I'm in. 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:39.759 But when speaking of the business of basketball, the first 0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:41.960 thing that it taught me was no feelings are allowed 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:46.960 here like there is. You know, if you're going to 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:49.360 have some sense of loyalty, have that sense of loyalty 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.839 because that's how you feel because that's what you want 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.480 to have, not because you think someone is going to 0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:56.920 have a sense of loyalty to you. 0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:00.279 That's not the case, right Like, I am loyal. 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:04.160 Of to the go to say Warriors organization because I 0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:07.120 want to be loyal to the go to say organization 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:11.440 because I love the organization myself personally, not because I 0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:15.480 think they owe me loyalty back now and the loyalty 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:16.480 that I've given them. 0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:18.239 They've always shown me. 0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.759 That loyalty, and I have no reason to believe that 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:22.360 they're not going to show me that loyalty. 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.000 But by no means do they owe me that loyalty. 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.719 And I think a lot of times we as athletes 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:31.279 tend to feel like they owe me this because I've 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:34.920 done X. I'm old that and it's a recipe for disaster. 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.920 You're setting yourself up for failure. You're setting yourself up 0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.400 for your ego to get crushed in for your feelings 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:43.839 to get hurt. And so for me, I quickly had 0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:46.279 to learn the number one ruling this thing is there's 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:50.000 no feelings involved, continue to move forward. The number two 0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:52.319 thing that I learned, and it probably should have been 0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:54.720 number one if I knew better, was that you must 0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.600 know the business of basketball. That you must spend your 0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:00.239 time getting to know this thing, because so many of 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:03.759 us spend time in this league, spend many forul time 0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:06.240 in this league and never get to know the business. 0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:10.200 And it's baffling to me because it's like, this is 0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:13.160 our business, Like this is the business that we work 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:16.920 in every single day, and we all depend on someone 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:19.520 else to know the business for us. But this is 0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:21.880 the business that I'm in every single day. 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:22.239 You know. 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:26.680 And then I think the last thing that the business 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.719 of basketball taught me in lameless terms, is. 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:33.239 It taught me big business. Like the game of basketball. 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.759 The NBA is business at its highest form. When you 0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:42.160 look at I always talk about in the NBA, everyone 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:45.440 is operating at an ealy level, like yeah, you see, 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:49.320 you see us on the basketball court and we're playing 0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.520 at an ealy level. But what you don't see is 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:56.200 Eric Housen, who's our equipment manager, who manages our flights, hotels, travel, 0:46:56.280 --> 0:47:01.279 anything you need from him, all our gear, food, drinks, 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:05.239 like you name it, anything we need. What you don't 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:08.399 see is how elite Eric Housing is. What you don't 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:12.640 see is how elite Rick Celebrini is and and heading 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:16.440 up our medical staff, and how elite Danny Langford is 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:19.520 and getting our body like everybody in the NBA is 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:23.480 operating at an elite level. And that and so for 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:27.400 me to see that, it's like, oh, this is big business. 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:27.560 Man. 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.840 When you see these comport companies operating at an elite level, 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:34.520 that ain't just because Elon Muskins operating at an early level. 0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:39.000 That's because everybody beneath Elon Musk is operating at an 0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.960 elite level. And I think, you know, just being in 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:45.120 the business of basketball as long as I've been in it, 0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:47.600 and being in it every day and actually trying to 0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:50.600 submerse myself in it so that I know and understanding 0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:53.280 and know the intricate details and the ins and outs. 0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:56.480 Man, it's big business. 0:47:56.600 --> 0:48:02.160 And and oftentimes we fall into like looking at it like, oh, 0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:04.439 it's just a game, like you fall into that it's 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:06.920 just a game if you want to. This is big 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:10.640 business and these these people are operating as such. And 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:12.759 when you go in trying to operate like this ain't 0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:16.160 a big deal, setting yourself up for a disaster and 0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:17.960 you get your feelings and your ego hurd. 0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:22.120 Fasts Draymon, It's it's incredible. I got fired up listening 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:23.960 to that because it's incredible to hear the grasp of 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:25.879 you have on the business side of it, and how 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.080 much you know, when your career is all said and done, 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:30.640 how much do you want to maybe even go and 0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:32.640 be in the front office of an I mean organization 0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:35.080 and apply what you've learned in the business aspect where 0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:38.600 you've applied from, you know, being an incredibly successful Warriors team, 0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:41.719 Like do you imagine yourself maybe going that going back 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.399 to Michigan and me you know, if the Pistons need 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:46.080 that to go and you know, be in the front 0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:47.600 office and apply what you've learned. 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:52.960 You know what, I love the Detroit Pistons because they're 0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:55.920 from the state of Michigan. The love that Joe dumar 0:48:56.040 --> 0:49:00.080 showed me in coming up him and Jordan Dumars and 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.520 you know, the access that they gave me to see 0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:07.360 in the NBA organization operate to be around NBA players 0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:10.279 like Rip and take Shine and Big Bend and she 0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:15.600 like that access for me as a kid from Saginaw 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:17.879 was like, oh wow, I'm like these like I could 0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:19.680 be like these dudes. They are like me, you know, 0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:23.000 like all right, like this is a life I can attain. 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:25.040 Like wait, it's in reach for me. 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:29.960 Like that to me was special. 0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:32.879 So I always have love for the Detroit Pistons, man, 0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:35.360 but my loyalty and love is the Golden State Warriors. 0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:37.919 I never sit back and look at it like, man, 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:39.919 the Detroit Pistons is my home team. 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:41.800 My home team is the Golden State Warriors. 0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:47.440 Like that's the organization for me that in my life 0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:49.919 that has had the most impact on my life. That's 0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:53.040 the organization for me that has shown me the most love, 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:55.560 you know, And I think you know, so oftentimes we 0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:57.239 get caught up in like yo, I need to go 0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:01.640 back home, like I'm at home, Like I'm like that 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:03.600 is home for me. I built a new home and 0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:07.080 the state of Michigan will always be where I'm from 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:09.439 and the core of me and like my home for sure, 0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:11.600 But like I got two homes now, you know, and 0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:13.719 I don't look at it like yo, I need to 0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:15.520 go back to the Pistons and give back to them. No, 0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:19.600 if I need to give back to any organization, if 0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:22.560 they'll have me and allow me to give to, I 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.200 need to give to the Warriors organization because that is 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:27.640 the organization that is a part of my legacy. 0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:29.120 You know, the Detroit Pistons. 0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:31.640 As much as it is that I grew up in 0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:34.319 the state of Michigan, the Detroit Pistons isn't a part 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:37.320 of my legacy at all outside of what Joe Dumars 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:39.719 and those guys taught me. Other than that, what's a 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.000 part of my legacy and what's home for me is 0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:44.279 to go to State Warriors. So if I had the 0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:48.719 chance of opportunity to give to an organization, that's the 0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:50.719 organization that I would want to give to. 0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:53.400 Now. Again, I do understand that this is big. 0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:56.000 Business and they may not always have me, and guess what, 0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:58.839 they don't owe me a goddamn thing, And I don't 0:50:58.840 --> 0:50:59.919 feel like they owe me anything. 0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:03.879 But that's what I want to give to now. 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:06.120 When I take a second step back and I look 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.440 at whether it's front office, whether it's coaching. 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:10.759 If I'm honest with you, I have zero interest in 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:12.000 either one of them right now. 0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:14.799 And the reason that I don't have any interest in 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:16.920 either one of them is because I've been on the 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:21.280 basketball schedule my entire life, man like, and the reality 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:24.040 is as special as it is. You miss so much 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:27.840 like you miss Like I missed my son taking this 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:30.120 first step, Like I saw that shit on the camera, like. 0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:33.920 You know, and that's seven years ago. I have, I 0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:34.680 got three other. 0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:37.920 Kids on top of him, but like I missed him 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:41.440 taking his first step, like you just missed so much. 0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:44.239 And by the way, I just mentioned my son. You 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:47.400 miss weddings, like everybody don't have their wedding in the summer, 0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:50.160 you know when we're off. Like you miss weddings, you 0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:54.080 miss birthdays, you miss Christmases. Man, This Christmas was the 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:56.680 first Christmas in eleven years that I've been at home. 0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:59.440 Now I mean at home for the entire day. 0:51:59.520 --> 0:51:59.840 Guess what. 0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.600 I was only at home because I was suspended. But 0:52:03.280 --> 0:52:07.040 it's the first Christmas in eleven years that I didn't 0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:11.040 step foot into an NBA arena. Like you missed so 0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:14.719 many things and so I'm just not sure i'd want 0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:19.680 to be that I'd want to be on a basketball schedule, 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:22.400 but I will say I'm honored. Man. And with the 0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:26.040 conversations that I've had with Joe Laker over the years 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:28.600 and him saying to me, like, Yo, when you're done, 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:31.000 I can see you one day coaching this team when 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:34.160 Steve's done, Like, I can see you working with this team, 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:35.560 Like I would love to see that. 0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:38.680 That means the world to me, because that means. 0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:41.399 The man that owned the organization that I play for 0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:45.800 is watching me play basketball and saying, this guy. 0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:49.160 Can one day coach my team. Like, man, these these 0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:53.320 this again big business. These assets are not small. 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:53.560 Man. 0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:56.960 Like, if you're gonna you're gonna trust somebody to coach 0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:59.319 your team, that's not small. That's not a small thing. 0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:03.279 That's a big fucking deal. And so to have to 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:05.759 know that you have that type of support and like 0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:08.920 the owner of the organization that I play for is 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:11.680 watching me and saying he can one day coach this 0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:15.080 or man, Steve curR is my coach. Like the guy 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:18.120 who's been coaching in this organization for the last eleven years, 0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:20.200 ten year is Steve Kerr. 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:21.560 He's a Hall of Fame coach. 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:25.160 You're watching him and saying, I think that can one 0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:29.000 day be draymnd. That's insanity to me, and so I'm 0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:32.040 very thankful that people look at me in that light. 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:34.680 But as I am in year twelve of my career, 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:37.520 I say right now, and everything changes as time going on, 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.160 So I would never say never. But where I stand 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:44.120 right now in year twelve of my career headed into 0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:47.480 year thirteen, I'm not sure I want to be on 0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:48.680 the basketball. 0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:51.440 Scha Yeah, You've been in a long time and you 0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:53.280 always in a fight, is always in the playoffs. 0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:54.680 Like you said, you don't get no break. People don't 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:55.799 understand you don't get no break. 0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:58.480 Right Luckily me out I had told my achilles that 0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:01.080 year somebody saying I got this year steps, But if 0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:02.799 it won't for the injuries, I would have never seen 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:04.960 those first steps, like you don't get this those times back, 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.239 You don't get that moment back, and being able to 0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:08.959 watch it from a camera, you like, damn, I wish 0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:10.920 I was there for that, or even the first day 0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:11.680 take them to school. 0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:13.400 Sometimes we don't be there. We might be a training 0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:15.080 camp or mini camp somewhere. 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:21.800 And look at that Jay Wall. You said, Man, luckily 0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:25.799 I got hurt. I tore my achilles and I was 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:28.960 able to see my son walk. Listen to that, Yeah, 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:33.280 luckily I tore my achilles. One of the worst injuries 0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:35.960 that you can go through. Like, I don't know the 0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:38.200 pain I knock on wood. I never wanted to. 0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:38.600 Be a pain. 0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:41.720 But guess what this man just said. 0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:47.680 Luckily I tore my achilles and I was able to 0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:49.759 see my son take his first step. 0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:51.399 Do you know how fucked up that is? 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:51.839 Like? 0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:55.040 And this is what we do. And by the way, again, 0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:59.080 I don't take it for granted. I'm very lucky and 0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.600 thankful be in a position that I'm in, But it 0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:05.200 also sucks sometimes when people act like we don't deal 0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:07.759 with real shit, you know, like not being able to 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:10.800 see my son take his first steps. That's real shit, 0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:14.920 Like that is a sacrifice that when people sit back 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.760 and throw stones, they ain't willing to make that sacrifice. 0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:19.759 But you can sit back and throw a dart at 0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:23.320 me from across the room. Or how I may handle something, 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:25.919 or how I may deal with something, or the mind 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:28.160 state that I may be in on a specific day, 0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:31.000 but you don't know what I go through, Like you 0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:33.840 don't really know the burden that I carry on my 0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:37.719 back every single day and sometimes it just may get 0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:40.880 the best of me. Like you don't know that. Guess what? 0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:43.479 And you know what else? I always tell you ain't 0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:46.200 willing to make that sacrifice. I always tell guys like 0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:48.200 you know, every now and then you run into people 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:50.160 and they're like, yo, I could plan it and be 0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:52.040 I'm like, yo, you couldn't deal with the stress of 0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:54.520 knowing that when you wake up at seven eight o'clock 0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:57.080 in the morning that you got to game at seven pm. 0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:59.960 Just the stress alone of that day you couldn't deal with. 0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:02.160 Don't tell me you could play in the NBA, like 0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:05.720 you out of your mind? Like and so for me, man, 0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:09.920 all right, you know, like to hear you say. 0:56:09.719 --> 0:56:11.840 That, I might not even want to go to shoot 0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:15.240 around it in fact, to shoot around at ten o'clock, 0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:15.920 that's before the game. 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:17.279 You gotta go to shoot around. 0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:20.920 There, you there from nine to twelve thirty. 0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:23.600 Like, by the way, be back here at three thirty 0:56:23.640 --> 0:56:27.040 four o'clock, like the sacrifices man. 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:30.160 And when you just said that, that took me back. 0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:33.319 I was lucky to tear my achilles so I could 0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:35.719 see my son first step. That's what we go through 0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:40.399 as athletes. And listen, it's great. The money we make 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:43.560 is great. Playing basketball for a living is great, but 0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:46.120 just like everything else, it has its negatives as well. 0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:51.520 Sure, Dram and I have one more question here. You know, 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:53.640 on the record, everyone knows that you and Lebron are 0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:55.880 pretty close friends. You know, you guys are getting in 0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:57.919 the twilight of your career, a few more years left, 0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:00.480 and I wanted to know the possibil the ever of 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:01.399 you guys teaming up. 0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:06.520 Honestly, I don't know if you know. I love Brin. 0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:11.319 I love Bron to death. That's my brother, and you 0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:13.840 know the relationship that we have and what it's grown 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:17.680 to I don't I cherish, you know, my my kids 0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:22.280 see him uncle Bron is Uncle Bron, Like I never 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:26.400 take any of my brothers in my life for granted. 0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:27.800 Like I'm always thankful. 0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:32.080 I am a relationships guy, like I love building relationships. 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:37.600 I love like that component of life. And I cherish people. 0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:41.920 And you know, I don't take people for granted. You know, 0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:45.160 people earn't an item to me, you know, like I 0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:51.160 love people and I'm so thankful for the relationship that 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:51.680 we have. 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:54.040 I think it's a very special thing. 0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:57.760 I think, you know, when I take a step back 0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:01.000 and look at my life, something that I would have 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:03.320 been like, especially in those early years in the finals, 0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:05.959 like yo, that's gonna be my brother and we're gonna 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:07.960 be like this, Like I would have never thought that 0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:13.920 and saying that, as I've said before, unless Broun come 0:58:13.960 --> 0:58:16.080 into Golden State, I don't really see that happening. 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:16.760 Uh. 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:21.040 You know, for me personally, if the Warriors will have 0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:22.160 me until. 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:24.360 I'm done and I tie my shoe strings in then 0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:26.840 out and talk them things about the telephone wire. 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:28.120 That's where I'll be. 0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:32.200 You know, It's nothing else And looking around the NBA 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:35.800 that excites me more than doing all that I can 0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:38.120 to try to win another championship with the team that 0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:40.600 I've won for championships with, with the guys that I've 0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:45.880 won for championship with, uh, you know, Stephan Clay like there. 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:48.280 I never look around the league and be like, hmm, 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:52.360 I think I'll be great Like fuck that, man, I 0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:54.800 can be great right here. I can do what I 0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:56.800 need to do for us to win another championship. And 0:58:56.840 --> 0:58:59.760 that's my focus. And so as as as much as 0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:03.479 I would love the opportunity to play with Brian one day, 0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:06.760 like I thought I would have an opportunity to summer 0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:09.280 with Team USA, that didn't happen for me, and so 0:59:09.360 --> 0:59:11.800 I think that probably puts a rap, you know, a 0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:15.680 bowl on the possibilities of that, because as long, guys, 0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:18.040 this franchise will have me. 0:59:19.160 --> 0:59:20.000 It's where I'll be. 0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:22.360 Amazing. 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:27.840 Johnny got anything else that's good, Man, Draymond. I appreciate 0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:29.840 you coming on point game, man. I know you're busy, 0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:33.560 enjoy the off season, and thanks again. 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:36.280 No doubt, thanks for having me man. I appreciate y'all. 0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:40.400 Jay Wall I've been enjoying watching you transition to this 0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:43.600 next chapter of your life, checking out your podcast, man, 0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:46.280 and just watching you get better and better. You know, 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:49.200 when I first started this podcast journey, Man, I would 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:51.520 come on and like, ya, I know basketball, and I 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:53.840 know how I talked to people, and my producer would 0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:56.160 make this rundown of the show and like I'll be 0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:58.680 logging onto the zoom like reading the rundown and I'm like, 0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:02.280 all right, Finally I had to learn, like yo, you 1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:04.640 got to prepare, Like you can't just come into this 1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:07.560 shit thinking I'm about to read. And when I when 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:11.040 I watch y'all show, like I see the preparation from you, 1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:15.200 I see the dedication you know, from you and taking 1:00:15.240 --> 1:00:17.080 this serious, and then I just wanted to say I 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:21.600 love it, like I appreciate your journey, Bro, I appreciate, Uh, 1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:23.480 you know who you were in this league. You know, 1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:28.040 I know so oftentimes people try to like, damn what 1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:30.920 it is that you were in this league, like number one, 1:00:30.960 --> 1:00:33.040 It's not what you what you were, it's who you are. 1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:36.120 And don't ever forget that my dog like you was 1:00:36.160 --> 1:00:37.040 great in this league. 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:39.080 You was. You was a standard for a lot of 1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:40.520 guys that ain't changed. 1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:43.120 And although people try to cast you out, try to 1:00:43.120 --> 1:00:44.960 throw you out when they feel like they don't. 1:00:44.760 --> 1:00:45.440 Lose you no more. 1:00:45.480 --> 1:00:48.040 I just want you to know, as one of your peers, 1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:51.400 the utmost respectful what you've brought to this game. And 1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:53.760 I love to watch what you're doing in the podcast space. 1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:54.880 It's beautiful to see. 1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:55.840 Bro appreciate that dreamt. 1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:57.800 Yeah, when everybody need any advice on this, I'm definitely 1:00:57.800 --> 1:00:59.760 gonna heit you, but definitely appreciate that Bro. 1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:12.320 No doubt Bro's dog always. 1:01:10.440 --> 1:01:12.160 Bro. Yes, we could have played the NFL. 1:01:12.280 --> 1:01:14.600 Bro We're not saying we would have been aut but 1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:16.200 we're not saying we would have been Pro Bowls, the 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:18.600 Hall of Famers. We could have played. You got such 1:01:18.880 --> 1:01:21.040 j I'll be telling us. You got like some football 1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:23.120 players they played in high school. I didn't know they 1:01:23.120 --> 1:01:24.840 fucking played till you go on YouTube. They bring out 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:27.120 a highlight tape of them, Like, I don't know. It's like, 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:29.000 but if they put the work in we put into 1:01:29.000 --> 1:01:30.640 basketball like they've been in football, we. 1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:32.960 Don't know what we could have been exactly. 1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:37.480 And that's my thing is So I think number one, like, 1:01:38.200 --> 1:01:40.800 I disagree with what Austin said in the sense which 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:43.960 is he said I can take thirty to forty guys 1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:46.520 right now and put them in the NFL. 1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:49.400 That's a lot because the learning curbage too steep. 1:01:50.320 --> 1:01:52.960 The type of training that your body needs to withstand 1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:56.160 the NFL is totally different than we've had over the 1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:58.720 last ten years. And so I am not of the 1:01:58.800 --> 1:02:02.200 belief that any of us right now today could then 1:02:02.360 --> 1:02:03.360 just jump to the NFL. 1:02:03.520 --> 1:02:06.240 However, I am of the belief that. 1:02:09.240 --> 1:02:13.120 If we as NBA players, a lot of us trained 1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:16.480 to go to the NFL we very much so would 1:02:16.520 --> 1:02:22.720 have done that, like because in the NFL, like most 1:02:22.760 --> 1:02:25.360 of those guys were basketball players that weren't good enough 1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:29.120 like that, weren't skilled enough, that was probably strongest shit 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:32.960 or fastest shit, but couldn't quite shoot, or was probably 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:36.560 fast not quite big enough, or he was a six ' 1:02:36.600 --> 1:02:41.200 four center. And you know my og Lamar Woodley like 1:02:41.520 --> 1:02:43.480 was a pro bowler in the NFL. He was a 1:02:43.600 --> 1:02:47.960 six to three center at my high school and was 1:02:48.040 --> 1:02:49.040 All state all of that. 1:02:49.320 --> 1:02:50.600 But he was a six to three center. 1:02:50.640 --> 1:02:52.880 He averaged twenty eighteen because he's moving niggas at d 1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:56.040 N went the University of Michigan, but he was six 1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:57.959 y three center, like and. 1:02:57.880 --> 1:03:01.240 So he went to play football. Loved basketball his whole life. 1:03:01.320 --> 1:03:03.600 I want to play football, why because I'm gonna take 1:03:03.640 --> 1:03:06.000 this athleticism and make some money some type of way. 1:03:06.240 --> 1:03:09.000 In that six to three center, it ain't working for me. 1:03:09.320 --> 1:03:12.120 And so I believe that like a lot of us 1:03:12.120 --> 1:03:14.320 could have played in the NFL if we were trained 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:18.080 for that. However, not a lot of those guys could 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:19.960 have played in the NBA if they were trained for it, 1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:22.400 because they are Most of them did train for it, 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:27.000 and they weren't good enough, especially the receivers in the 1:03:27.080 --> 1:03:29.880 DBS and the running backs, like the skill positions. They 1:03:29.920 --> 1:03:31.720 are hoopers that weren't quite good enough. 1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:34.760 You see that Keon Coleman guy though in the Bills 1:03:35.760 --> 1:03:39.600 his nice guess what a hooper that wasn't quite good enough? 1:03:39.720 --> 1:03:41.360 You know how I know he's a hooper that wasn't 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:43.880 quite good enough. He went to Michigan State at first, 1:03:43.880 --> 1:03:46.240 he played both. He played football and basketball. He needn't 1:03:46.240 --> 1:03:47.560 get on the fucking court. 1:03:48.080 --> 1:03:50.840 Damn, he would get in. 1:03:50.920 --> 1:03:52.880 They have forty or fifty they see like last thirty 1:03:52.920 --> 1:03:53.800 seconds the minute. 1:03:54.320 --> 1:03:55.160 That's what is that. 1:03:55.240 --> 1:03:57.760 He probably one of her better players in the NFL. Now, 1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:00.680 like he didn't get in the game, Michigan stay. 1:04:01.400 --> 1:04:03.440 That's what the magic at editing and social media. They 1:04:03.440 --> 1:04:05.920 put together ten great plays and people are like, oh man, 1:04:06.040 --> 1:04:07.320 that's hall. 1:04:07.440 --> 1:04:09.200 I can make the best mixtape right now and just 1:04:09.240 --> 1:04:12.040 say oh this guy. But I know, I'm just saying, like, 1:04:12.120 --> 1:04:14.360 really not not be good at it though, Like I'm like, 1:04:14.560 --> 1:04:16.280 I've seen guy playing my autim and they put a 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:18.480 mixtape out and I'm like, whoa, he's not this good. 1:04:18.720 --> 1:04:20.600 But then you go really watch a game and you'd 1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:22.560 be like, no, this is what he really is. 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:23.880 Fat. 1:04:24.520 --> 1:04:26.400 Some kids try to go to college off their little 1:04:26.480 --> 1:04:27.160 highlight tapes. 1:04:27.840 --> 1:04:28.320 Exactly. 1:04:28.360 --> 1:04:30.080 It's like me like like, you can't tell me to 1:04:30.080 --> 1:04:32.040 go work out, Like I can kill a workout. They 1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:33.760 don't mean I'm gonna do this shit in five on five. 1:04:35.760 --> 1:04:36.440 It's different. 1:04:36.640 --> 1:04:38.520 Like you had one player pre draft. 1:04:38.640 --> 1:04:40.120 How many coups go to pre draft and kill a 1:04:40.160 --> 1:04:42.800 pre draft workout one on one, but then when they 1:04:42.800 --> 1:04:44.360 go play five on five they don't know how to 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:45.360 play basketball. 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:46.160 That's a fact. 1:04:46.640 --> 1:04:47.760 Bro. Listen to this. 1:04:48.680 --> 1:04:51.320 John. You remember Joe Alexander that went to West. 1:04:51.200 --> 1:04:52.520 Virginia, Yes, one to West Virginia. 1:04:53.000 --> 1:04:57.480 So the athlete, listen, Joe Alexander was playing, and uh, 1:04:57.680 --> 1:05:01.360 Joe Alexander was playing and uh, Fanta cruise with our 1:05:01.400 --> 1:05:03.640 G League team and they brought him up for a 1:05:03.680 --> 1:05:06.440 workout because they was looking to field the fifteen rosters 1:05:06.480 --> 1:05:10.440 by possibly and he came for a workout. 1:05:10.440 --> 1:05:12.240 And I don't know if you remember big DJ White 1:05:12.320 --> 1:05:13.240 from Indiana. 1:05:13.400 --> 1:05:15.200 Yeah, DJ White one, number three and it was a 1:05:15.240 --> 1:05:18.240 couple more, Yes, it was a couple more guys. Now, no, 1:05:18.400 --> 1:05:21.880 DJ White is not Lebron James or whatever. But I'm 1:05:21.880 --> 1:05:24.520 telling you, I watched this workout. Man, I'm gonna try 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:26.160 to get film of the workout if I can get 1:05:26.200 --> 1:05:28.040 it on the sty to you, I watched this workout. 1:05:28.800 --> 1:05:32.640 It had to be the absolute best workout I've ever 1:05:32.640 --> 1:05:33.439 seen in my life. 1:05:33.480 --> 1:05:34.400 Like, I don't give a fuck. 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:38.000 If you put goddamn Tony Allen in front of him, 1:05:38.040 --> 1:05:39.840 he was gonna bust his ass. 1:05:40.000 --> 1:05:44.480 And the thing is so Pete Myers was our assistant 1:05:44.520 --> 1:05:45.040 coach at the. 1:05:44.960 --> 1:05:46.880 Time, and Pete used to tell us because Pete had 1:05:46.920 --> 1:05:49.200 him in Chicago when they drafted him, like, hey, man, 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:51.760 Joe Alexander the best one on one player I've ever seen. 1:05:52.160 --> 1:05:54.439 And then you go you put two on two out there, 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:56.960 and motherfucker's still incredible. And then you go three on 1:05:57.040 --> 1:05:59.600 three and you get a little worse. And four on four, 1:06:00.000 --> 1:06:01.880 other fucker can't see shit. A five on five. He 1:06:01.880 --> 1:06:03.000 can't even play on the floor. 1:06:03.520 --> 1:06:05.960 Like that's what people would always believe it. 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:08.760 And I'm like, but I just watched this workout, and 1:06:08.800 --> 1:06:11.360 he's like, yeah, don't be fooled by the workout. You 1:06:11.400 --> 1:06:13.640 ask some guys out there and putting another few pieces 1:06:13.720 --> 1:06:15.640 on the floor, he can't sit attend to see the 1:06:15.680 --> 1:06:16.280 rim anymore. 1:06:16.280 --> 1:06:19.120 It just got blindness. And I'm like, ah, it makes sense. 1:06:19.120 --> 1:06:22.200 So to Jay wall Point, like everybody can play one 1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:24.520 on one, like and it ain't a guy who helps 1:06:24.520 --> 1:06:26.880 out and you got to get through that gap. But 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:30.200 you can't really do this shit at a high level, and. 1:06:30.440 --> 1:06:32.040 You know, reading the weeks out of the fit and 1:06:32.120 --> 1:06:34.240 they don't know what the fuck going on. That's why 1:06:34.240 --> 1:06:35.720 I'd be sitting like, let's go play one on one. 1:06:35.760 --> 1:06:37.640 I'm like, bro, I can play one on one all 1:06:37.680 --> 1:06:40.280 fucking day. I play one of my whole life. If 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:41.040 you really know I play. 1:06:40.920 --> 1:06:41.240 One on one. 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:43.160 We're gonna go three dribbles to two dribbles and see 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:45.800 how many people want to play Exactly it's like, no, 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:47.720 we're not playing no more. They want to dribble for 1:06:47.800 --> 1:06:50.200 twenty second. I'm not chasing nobody around like that. 1:06:50.320 --> 1:06:52.720 Exactly, two three dribbles. I see if you can get 1:06:52.720 --> 1:06:55.080 a good shot off in two to three dribbles, because 1:06:55.080 --> 1:06:57.800 guess what that is the NBA, My man, you don't 1:06:57.840 --> 1:07:00.640 get twenty dribbles to try to get somewhere. You got 1:07:00.640 --> 1:07:02.600 two to three dribbles. And if you ain't where you're 1:07:02.600 --> 1:07:03.880 trying to get get off the ball. 1:07:03.920 --> 1:07:04.200 Brother. 1:07:04.520 --> 1:07:06.320 The only way you get that pass now is because 1:07:06.360 --> 1:07:08.680 the NBA is like a lot more spacing, and if 1:07:08.680 --> 1:07:10.880 you the guy, you might get that many dribbles. If 1:07:10.920 --> 1:07:13.400 you ain't the guy, that's how cal too is in college. 1:07:13.440 --> 1:07:15.880 If you can't get by nobody one or two dribbles, dribbles, 1:07:15.960 --> 1:07:16.800 come on, get off the ball. 1:07:16.800 --> 1:07:19.680 You need to come see next to us, exactly exactly. 1:07:20.080 --> 1:07:22.240 You can come sit next to us. We ain't doing that. 1:07:22.240 --> 1:07:27.400 That's a fine, Draymond appreciate you, Yes, sir, No diet Drey. 1:07:27.400 --> 1:07:28.479 I'm gonna see you around, bro. 1:07:28.560 --> 1:07:31.400 Ain't no doubt. Jay Wallace, good to see you fair, Yes, sir, 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:32.280 Love bro Love. 1:07:38.640 --> 1:07:41.400 Welcome back to point Game with John wall and CJ. Toldonough, 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:44.120 presented by DraftKings. It's that time. We do it every show. 1:07:44.160 --> 1:07:47.400 It's Bucket or Brick time. Render Bucket of Brick is 1:07:47.440 --> 1:07:50.520 brought to you by Draft Kings Sportsbook. Draft Kings Sportsbook 1:07:50.560 --> 1:07:53.120 is your home for all things NBA action, from player props, 1:07:53.160 --> 1:07:56.120 the same game parlays. Check out everything Draft Kings Sportsbook 1:07:56.360 --> 1:07:58.880 has to offer to make your NBA experience even sweeter. 1:07:58.920 --> 1:08:01.640 The Crown is yours all right, John. We alluded to 1:08:01.680 --> 1:08:03.360 it in the beginning, but we wanted to get it 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:06.160 here in the Bucketer Brick segment. So first one here, 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:08.640 we'll start off with the t Wolves our favorite over 1:08:08.680 --> 1:08:11.280 the maps to win the Western Conference Finals at minus 1:08:11.320 --> 1:08:14.040 one seventy, meaning if you bet one hundred and seventy dollars, 1:08:14.080 --> 1:08:16.120 you can win one hundred of bucks. So Bucket Brick, 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:18.200 the Timberwolves will win the West. 1:08:22.280 --> 1:08:22.439 Hm. 1:08:24.960 --> 1:08:27.320 It's tough. You said in the beginning you weren't sure yet. 1:08:28.320 --> 1:08:30.840 That was gonna go. I don't know, I'm gonna I'm 1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:32.640 not gonna do nothing, okay. 1:08:32.320 --> 1:08:36.160 Because it's no no, because it's interesting because I feel like, 1:08:36.200 --> 1:08:38.479 for me, Kyrie and Luker are the best back cord 1:08:38.520 --> 1:08:41.040 of a point guard and real shooting guard and in 1:08:41.120 --> 1:08:44.160 the history to me, they haven't one anything. But just 1:08:44.200 --> 1:08:46.560 like they can both go get fifty, you know what 1:08:46.560 --> 1:08:51.600 I mean. But also I love the attitude and the 1:08:52.280 --> 1:08:54.960 aggretch the ant Man comes with. So I don't want 1:08:54.960 --> 1:08:56.519 to go against ant Man either, you know what I'm saying, 1:08:56.520 --> 1:08:58.280 Because ant Man is on another level right now. 1:08:58.360 --> 1:08:59.960 I love everything about it. 1:09:00.920 --> 1:09:04.040 That means if you go, if you go supporting casts 1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:06.519 versus supporting cast. So we talk about role players a 1:09:06.520 --> 1:09:09.120 lot on this show. So what role players would you want? 1:09:09.520 --> 1:09:17.280 The massive Timberwolves. Let's try it that way, like I 1:09:17.280 --> 1:09:19.960 think they have. I think Mas have better shooters, bigger 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:24.600 shot makers, but the Timberwolves. So you have like incredible 1:09:24.600 --> 1:09:26.000 defensive bigs. 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:29.840 No no, no, no no no no not really no, not 1:09:29.880 --> 1:09:30.519 really no. 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:33.920 But you have the six man in nas Reed. But 1:09:34.000 --> 1:09:36.000 I love PJ. Washingt the way he's defending, the way 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:37.880 he's making shots. I love the way Derrick Jones is 1:09:37.880 --> 1:09:40.080 stepping up making shots. So I feel like Derek Joe 1:09:40.160 --> 1:09:43.040 the Jada McDaniels, they like count each other out. I 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:47.160 feel like Jada mcdane's more talented, more talented than what 1:09:47.280 --> 1:09:50.080 Dereck Jones is. But Derek Jones is doing the same 1:09:50.600 --> 1:09:52.960 than Jaden McDaniel's doing, you know what I'm saying. 1:09:53.280 --> 1:09:55.920 Then I think nas Reed gives them the edge on 1:09:55.960 --> 1:09:59.240 the other end. But PJ. Washington has been great for them, 1:09:59.280 --> 1:09:59.680 you know what I mean. 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:02.000 You have Josh Green that come in and do his thing, 1:10:02.640 --> 1:10:05.160 Dote Xen was there then they started playing Jaden Hardy, 1:10:05.920 --> 1:10:09.040 Derrick Livey's been special for them. So I think it's 1:10:09.040 --> 1:10:11.880 gonna be interesting. I think it's gonna be interest. He's 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:13.040 going six to seven for sure. 1:10:13.600 --> 1:10:18.639 Okay, all right, Celtics Pacers Eastern Conference Finals, So bucketer brick, 1:10:18.920 --> 1:10:21.240 the Pacers will force a game seven in Boston, not 1:10:21.320 --> 1:10:23.280 Pacers winning to force the game. 1:10:24.720 --> 1:10:26.040 I see it going five or six. 1:10:26.880 --> 1:10:29.360 I see it going five or six because I just 1:10:29.360 --> 1:10:33.000 feel like the Pacers are fighting hard. I love coach 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:38.320 Rick Carlisle. Siaka has been special. Uh, Hallen Burds has 1:10:38.360 --> 1:10:43.240 showed up in moments in spurts. I just think as 1:10:43.240 --> 1:10:45.120 such as they have, they they know what they they 1:10:45.160 --> 1:10:45.880 know what they're going for. 1:10:46.240 --> 1:10:49.000 I mean, everything's on the line. They've been there before. 1:10:49.080 --> 1:10:50.840 I think what Tatum be in the league seven years, 1:10:51.040 --> 1:10:53.480 he's been to a five or six East Conference Finals. 1:10:55.600 --> 1:10:56.840 I think they know what they need to do to 1:10:56.880 --> 1:10:57.240 get there. 1:10:57.400 --> 1:10:59.519 I think they got their mindset on one goal, and 1:10:59.600 --> 1:11:02.639 that's get to the finals and let's get over the humps. 1:11:02.640 --> 1:11:05.000 So I see them taking care of business. 1:11:05.920 --> 1:11:09.240 Yeah, I think they're the clear favorite right now after 1:11:09.240 --> 1:11:13.720 the Nuggets. Yeah, okay, all right, moving on here back 1:11:13.720 --> 1:11:15.840 to the Nuggets. The bucket or brick, the Nuggets will 1:11:15.880 --> 1:11:18.479 win another title with Yo Kich Bucket. 1:11:18.680 --> 1:11:20.479 I feel I feel like I feel like they realized 1:11:20.479 --> 1:11:23.720 this year they what they lost from their bench. Last 1:11:23.800 --> 1:11:26.439 year heard them and this year, I mean because the 1:11:26.479 --> 1:11:29.559 tim Woods was wearing them down. They had a better bench, 1:11:30.040 --> 1:11:32.840 So I think they realized what they was missing. I 1:11:32.840 --> 1:11:35.920 think they may objective is it signed guys back and 1:11:35.960 --> 1:11:37.640 then go sign some pieces. They helped their bench a 1:11:37.680 --> 1:11:40.080 little bit, but the young guys are still developing. I 1:11:40.120 --> 1:11:42.840 just don't think they was ready for that type of moment. 1:11:43.640 --> 1:11:45.559 Mm hmm. What type of players you think they got 1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:47.760 to go out and get this offseason. 1:11:48.360 --> 1:11:50.839 Like the Bruce Brown, like Jeff Green, like those guys 1:11:50.840 --> 1:11:55.800 that was veterans knew how to play. It's it's okay 1:11:55.800 --> 1:11:56.880 to have the young guys, you know. I mean, it's 1:11:56.880 --> 1:11:58.760 okay to have young guys and still develop them. But 1:11:58.840 --> 1:12:01.840 I feel like they was missing some of those veteran 1:12:01.880 --> 1:12:03.400 guys off the bench to help him because they only 1:12:03.400 --> 1:12:05.679 played like three guys off the bench. You know, usually 1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:08.840 Nuggets can play three, four or five guys, So I 1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:10.599 think they a little bit more help with their bench. 1:12:12.080 --> 1:12:15.040 Yeah, okay, all right, moving on a little bit of 1:12:15.080 --> 1:12:17.880 Lakers talk here, So Bucke or Brick. JJ Reddick will 1:12:17.920 --> 1:12:19.200 be the next coach of the Lakers. 1:12:19.560 --> 1:12:22.320 Buck, Yeah, I think he is. I just think he is. 1:12:23.760 --> 1:12:26.640 The way the media is talking, it's like JJ is 1:12:26.920 --> 1:12:30.840 is primed to take that spot, so they do it. 1:12:31.080 --> 1:12:32.960 How do you think that go? How does it work? 1:12:33.360 --> 1:12:33.559 You know? 1:12:33.600 --> 1:12:35.920 Because I think people are a little bit a little 1:12:36.400 --> 1:12:38.439 I think weary of it because he's a first time 1:12:38.479 --> 1:12:41.559 head coach. You know, we just had Darvin Ham for 1:12:41.600 --> 1:12:42.840 two years and they thought it was more of a 1:12:42.880 --> 1:12:46.040 player coach. So in the Lakers, biggest organization to be 1:12:46.080 --> 1:12:48.439 the head coach of how do you think that works? 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:50.560 I have no idea. I never seen JJ coach, you know. 1:12:50.560 --> 1:12:52.800 I mean, like, yeah, I just see him on the 1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:54.600 podcasts and then see him broadcasting. 1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:57.080 So I really don't know how that would work. 1:12:59.040 --> 1:13:01.599 But all the best of the lucky we do get 1:13:01.600 --> 1:13:03.000 the job, you know, I mean, like whatever job you 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:04.320 do get, it is the legers or whatever. 1:13:04.840 --> 1:13:05.760 Being ahead coach is. 1:13:05.800 --> 1:13:08.559 Not easy, I mean because yeah, there's so much that 1:13:08.600 --> 1:13:11.479 comes with it nowadays, and now it's more of a 1:13:11.479 --> 1:13:13.360 player's league than a coaches league, you know what I mean. 1:13:13.400 --> 1:13:16.519 So long as yours, long as your players respect you 1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:17.920 and buy into what you got going on. 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:19.639 You can go a long way. 1:13:20.120 --> 1:13:22.000 I mean, yet, I know they're gonna probably try to 1:13:22.000 --> 1:13:23.760 trade for somebody we get the job and add some 1:13:23.760 --> 1:13:24.880 more pieces to help them out. 1:13:25.760 --> 1:13:25.880 Right. 1:13:27.240 --> 1:13:30.640 I have no idea. 1:13:29.880 --> 1:13:32.120 Because I from talking to guys like you played in 1:13:32.160 --> 1:13:34.760 the league and that had you know coaches you I 1:13:34.760 --> 1:13:37.040 think you and and Marsham were talking about, you know, 1:13:37.120 --> 1:13:41.400 Randy Whitman, and it's almost having a coach who can 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:43.479 connect with the players but also can call out their 1:13:43.520 --> 1:13:44.160 their bullshit. 1:13:44.280 --> 1:13:46.799 You know that kind of I don't give it, Damne. 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:48.120 It's high school college level. 1:13:48.200 --> 1:13:51.800 Like, if the best player can be coached by the coach, 1:13:52.760 --> 1:13:56.479 your team is not going far. I mean, like you 1:13:56.520 --> 1:13:58.200 got to be able to hold your best player accountable 1:13:58.200 --> 1:14:00.240 the same way you hold the fifteen down on the 1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:04.000 team accountable. And then once everybody see that, then it 1:14:04.080 --> 1:14:07.120 brings your team together more because okay, shit, if he's 1:14:07.160 --> 1:14:10.519 getting on our best player, I gotta do my job 1:14:10.560 --> 1:14:12.479 as a role player, you know what I mean. But 1:14:12.520 --> 1:14:14.200 if I'm not getting on the best player, the role player, 1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:16.600 like with shit, he feel a way too, you know 1:14:16.640 --> 1:14:18.240 what I mean, Like I don't have to listen to him, 1:14:18.560 --> 1:14:21.080 or I don't have to buy in. So when the 1:14:21.120 --> 1:14:23.000 best players buying in and doing it on both ends 1:14:23.040 --> 1:14:25.200 of the floor, everybody's followed their lead. 1:14:26.960 --> 1:14:29.360 And that's as important as knowing the ex and up. 1:14:29.320 --> 1:14:32.120 That's the most important role actually though would come down 1:14:32.120 --> 1:14:34.759 the pack. But if I can't coach my best player 1:14:34.960 --> 1:14:37.720 and hold him accountable like I can the fifteen player 1:14:37.760 --> 1:14:41.040 on my roster that might not play and my team 1:14:41.120 --> 1:14:43.160 not going far. And then after that, you know, building 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:47.080 team chemistry, building camaraderie, guys liking each other and just 1:14:47.120 --> 1:14:48.640 want to play for each other, Like you look at 1:14:48.640 --> 1:14:51.800 the tea boards man, Like last year they didn't know 1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:53.360 if Kat wanted to be Cat wanted to be the 1:14:53.400 --> 1:14:54.400 man that an't want to be the man. 1:14:55.120 --> 1:14:56.880 You could tell this ship they know what the man is. 1:14:57.479 --> 1:15:02.320 They all accepted it, you know what I mean, Like 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:04.960 they know answer guy, Kat is cool with being the 1:15:05.000 --> 1:15:08.280 second guy. And you see how where they're playing, like 1:15:08.320 --> 1:15:10.599 how they come out of it is how their team is, 1:15:10.680 --> 1:15:13.400 like they enjoy each other, their young team, but with 1:15:13.439 --> 1:15:15.080 a couple of vets, but they enjoy playing for each 1:15:15.120 --> 1:15:19.439 other and that goes a long way, all. 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:22.920 Right, all right, Finally, Bucket or Brick, Jo kich is 1:15:22.960 --> 1:15:25.200 actually happy the playoffs are over so you can go 1:15:25.240 --> 1:15:29.920 home to his horses. You think that's real, You think 1:15:29.960 --> 1:15:32.040 people there's all these memes out there who are like, 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:33.880 Yo kicch is fine, he just wants to go and 1:15:33.880 --> 1:15:34.400 hang out with us. 1:15:34.680 --> 1:15:39.519 I say brick because yogis why not care about like 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:41.680 the MVP's and all that. But shit, he's still the 1:15:41.680 --> 1:15:43.880 basketball player. Like he still want to win championships. I 1:15:43.920 --> 1:15:46.400 know that for sure. I mean, he don't care for me. 1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:49.479 He don't care about the accolades, really don't care about 1:15:49.520 --> 1:15:52.880 the media attention. He don't want that. He just wanted 1:15:52.880 --> 1:15:54.920 to play basketball. If you win, he's winning. After that, 1:15:55.000 --> 1:15:56.800 I'm going back home, like he loves to be in 1:15:56.800 --> 1:15:58.960 his hometown. He loves to be around his horses, he 1:15:59.000 --> 1:16:01.880 loves to be around his family. And you can't be 1:16:01.960 --> 1:16:04.519 mad at it. I mean, because he kills in the NBA. 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:08.080 My job is done here. I'm going droy my life 1:16:08.760 --> 1:16:10.559 and he's just doing it back home in his country, 1:16:10.600 --> 1:16:11.679 so he can't be mad at all. 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:13.839 But I say brick because I know him. 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:15.760 I don't know him, but I know he has still 1:16:15.760 --> 1:16:17.400 want to if he had a chance to fight and 1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:19.320 to try to go win the championship, he would love that. 1:16:19.960 --> 1:16:21.760 He just don't care about the media attention. I could 1:16:21.760 --> 1:16:22.519 tell you that. I bet. 1:16:23.880 --> 1:16:27.320 Yeah. I really enjoyed his uh postgame press conference last 1:16:27.400 --> 1:16:29.479 night where he was breaking it down. It's like he 1:16:29.520 --> 1:16:33.120 said the specifics Timberwolves are built to beat the Nuggets, 1:16:33.240 --> 1:16:36.360 and they came up short, you know. And so if 1:16:36.360 --> 1:16:37.639 he didn't care and you want to just go back 1:16:37.640 --> 1:16:39.320 to the sources, he would have been like p some out, 1:16:39.439 --> 1:16:39.600 you know. 1:16:39.800 --> 1:16:41.479 Yeah, But I felt that he was half the perfect 1:16:41.479 --> 1:16:42.960 team that could be the Nuggets, like they had the 1:16:42.960 --> 1:16:45.200 perfect team. I mean I told him before, I said, 1:16:45.200 --> 1:16:48.960 look at last year when nas Reed and Jadam Damn Zert, 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:52.720 they still had a great series. So you're adding a 1:16:52.840 --> 1:16:55.639 sixth man and in your best defensive playoutside of their man. 1:16:56.240 --> 1:17:00.160 That changes the aspect of the game for them. Got 1:17:00.200 --> 1:17:04.040 him back and Wine and Winnie. 1:17:05.360 --> 1:17:07.240 I think it's gonna be We're gonna see that matchup 1:17:07.240 --> 1:17:10.679 again in these next few for sure. I think Nuggets 1:17:10.680 --> 1:17:12.040 are gonna go get the pieces to go and beat 1:17:12.040 --> 1:17:13.479 the Timberwolves vice versa. 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:17.240 Like this is chess like chess, because the Timple Wolves. 1:17:17.360 --> 1:17:18.880 Even though they beat them, they're gonna try to do 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:21.320 some ship this summer to make their team even more better. 1:17:21.960 --> 1:17:24.439 I mean, all the priendings. If the Nuggets go do something, 1:17:24.479 --> 1:17:26.200 they're gonna have to do something. That's how they're gonna feel. 1:17:27.360 --> 1:17:28.000 Yeah. 1:17:28.120 --> 1:17:30.519 All right, Well we're just getting started with these conference finals. 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:34.840 So uh, you know, people listening right now, keep listening, John, 1:17:34.880 --> 1:17:36.880 do you have anything else with the fans? 1:17:37.040 --> 1:17:38.479 The man's gonna be a siting now we had the 1:17:38.479 --> 1:17:40.880 conference finals. We know what the matchups are, and you're 1:17:40.880 --> 1:17:43.200 gonna get a lot of this talk on our podcast. 1:17:43.240 --> 1:17:45.240 You know it's gonna be a siting. So I already 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:49.760 see when the game get rolling. So show Tom, YEP, showtime. 1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:52.120 More guests on the way. This spend point Game presented 1:17:52.120 --> 1:17:54.960 by DraftKings. Everyone, please rate, review and subscribe to the pod. 1:17:55.040 --> 1:17:57.400 Leave us a five star review and drop some questions 1:17:57.400 --> 1:17:58.920 for for John and I want answer. 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