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Speaker 1: is joining us on Point Game. But first, John Man,
Speaker 1: how you feeling.
Speaker 2: I'm great, bro, Great, great to have a guy like
Speaker 2: Dremond on. I mean a lot of people don't respect
Speaker 2: him and understand what he brings to the game, what
Speaker 2: he does for his team, but it goes a long way.
Speaker 2: So it's great to have a brush line that that
Speaker 2: want to join our podcast and also has his own podcast,
Speaker 2: so it means a lot to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he drops some incredible stories and insights, including a
Speaker 1: little bit of preview about what we're seeing here in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. But I wanted to talk about this past
Speaker 1: weekend because yesterday Sunday we had two games and I'm
Speaker 1: dying to hear what you thought your reaction. So let's
Speaker 1: start with it with the Big one Nuggets Timberwolves Game seven,
Speaker 1: the reigning champs. You know everyone, I think I feel
Speaker 1: like thought, we're gonna see the Nuggets. They just won
Speaker 1: three in a row. It's gonna it's gonna be them again.
Speaker 1: So give me a reaction to watching that game seven yesterday.
Speaker 2: Well for me, that's why I always say, like a
Speaker 2: twenty point leading vide don't mean shit. Yeah you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like it was up thirty eight to
Speaker 2: fifty eight with like ten men's and forty seconds and
Speaker 2: fifty seconds ago in the third quarter. I mean, but Minnesota,
Speaker 2: like a young team and a lot of people, certainly
Speaker 2: one throughout the playoffs, but throughout just the season, they
Speaker 2: get rattled. I mean, they don't have nobody to calm
Speaker 2: them down. And I think just they composure with like
Speaker 2: Mike Conley being their leader and man being who he
Speaker 2: was not having a great game. It wasn't having a
Speaker 2: great game, I mean, but stuck with it, kept fighting.
Speaker 2: And I told people before, like if you're picking up
Speaker 2: somebody full court throughout a whole seven game, serious and
Speaker 2: that later on your legs get tired, like you start
Speaker 2: having mistakes. And I think if I was Denver, I
Speaker 2: would have let Aaron go and bring the ball up
Speaker 2: a little bit more. I mean, so Jamal Murray don't
Speaker 2: get so fatigued and tired because a man picking up
Speaker 2: full court and he got Jadie mcdain's picking on the
Speaker 2: full court and Alexander Walker picking him up full court,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, so he had it going in
Speaker 2: the first abe, I think he got a little bit
Speaker 2: of tired, and the same with Yogas, like he damned
Speaker 2: there played the whole second half, but Minnesota kept chipping away,
Speaker 2: chipping the chipping away, chipping away, and they close it out.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk a little bit about you said Ant
Speaker 1: didn't have a great game, and so I still feel
Speaker 1: like he added to this game, was a big part
Speaker 1: of it. Like he wasn't hitting his shots, he couldn't
Speaker 1: get it going offensively. But let's talk about what he
Speaker 1: did right, you know, and what his teammates did right
Speaker 1: to bring him back in this game and win it.
Speaker 2: What I always tell people before, it's like being a
Speaker 2: point guard that can score, or just been a two
Speaker 2: guard that's a score. How can you impact the game
Speaker 2: in other ways when your SHOT's not falling Defensively, still
Speaker 2: being aggressive, making the right reads, getting a lot of sists,
Speaker 2: rebound the ball, and man did that for twenty four
Speaker 2: but he hit big timely shots. You feel me, Like
Speaker 2: the end of the third quarter he hit a step back three.
Speaker 2: He cut the lead from four to one. Then he
Speaker 2: get it still on Jamar Murray in the fourth. Right
Speaker 2: after he was on the bench, he said, coach is
Speaker 2: tapping him on the chase. I'm gonna get in my bag.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get in my bag, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So he still had that mindset like I don't care
Speaker 2: if I'm missing shots. I can still impact the game
Speaker 2: in so many ways. So his defense is energy. All
Speaker 2: that kept it going. And then they bench, They bench
Speaker 2: was going like when it was getting stopped. They benched
Speaker 2: jumping up and down. And you need that because when
Speaker 2: you were on the road, it's nobody else with you.
Speaker 2: So it's fifteen guys in the coaching staff and then
Speaker 2: shots start falling and then I knew it was over.
Speaker 2: And Rudy good Barry that turned around. I said, all, yeah,
Speaker 2: they not winning when those type of shots start going.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, you're not winning. But just to
Speaker 2: have that momentum bro, like just to know you still
Speaker 2: got heart not to give up, like most teams in
Speaker 2: that position would. It gave up down twenty in the
Speaker 2: middle of the third. So it was a big time
Speaker 2: for them. So I'm definitely excited to see them versus
Speaker 2: the Mavericks.
Speaker 1: Well let's talk about the Nuggets too. I can't help
Speaker 1: but wonder if you have a Bruce Brown or a
Speaker 1: Jeff Green out there. I feel like people are like,
Speaker 1: they'll make it up, They're gonna have their young guys
Speaker 1: developed them over this year. Do you think having those
Speaker 1: or missing those guys kind of affect them in the
Speaker 1: long running this series?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. Like I said before, I think even though.
Speaker 2: The tim Woods bench didn't score a lot of points,
Speaker 2: they got like twenty to twenty four minutes from Alexander
Speaker 2: Walker and from Nasried. Those are big fucking minutes, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, When your guys need a break,
Speaker 2: those are big minutes. And you don't got to score.
Speaker 2: How can impact the game? I mean just making stops,
Speaker 2: doing extra stuff. Like I think the most minutes I
Speaker 2: think somebody from the Nuggets bench party got was like
Speaker 2: ten or eleven, you know, I mean, that's a big difference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Jamal Murray, I think, what right?
Speaker 2: I think Reggie Jackson only played like five minutes, so
Speaker 2: he really didn't get a break. So you go back
Speaker 2: to what I'm say if I'm picking him up for
Speaker 2: court the whole game, and he had it going in
Speaker 2: the first half, then later on the second half, like
Speaker 2: get tell, those shots that was easy became tougher because
Speaker 2: he got a little bit more tired And that was
Speaker 2: the pressure that Tim Woods kept on him throughout the
Speaker 2: whole game and saying with yokis like Yoka is the
Speaker 2: hell of a fucking player.
Speaker 3: We know Yoki, Yeah, but you can.
Speaker 2: Tell like he played them in the whole second half
Speaker 2: and the shots that he was making early started to
Speaker 2: come a little bit short because he had to play
Speaker 2: so much on both ends of the floor.
Speaker 1: Can we show some love to Kat too? Like I
Speaker 1: know we were talking about Kat was going to be
Speaker 1: a major factor. There was some you know, not not
Speaker 1: I don't want to say not smart, but like he
Speaker 1: wasn't doing that thing where he was driving sort of
Speaker 1: out of control, Like I felt like he was composed.
Speaker 1: He hit some big shots, came up defensively, like what
Speaker 1: was Kat doing that?
Speaker 3: Hell, well just not even just cat.
Speaker 2: Get shout out the cat, but sure, but Jadie mcdanie's too, right,
Speaker 2: Like he made big shots, like on that run, he
Speaker 2: was getting defensive stops, he was making corner threes, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Then he was getting like offic
Speaker 2: three rounds like Kevin Kat had big moments and you
Speaker 2: got to enjoy that. But like I always say, it's
Speaker 2: role players have to play well on the road in
Speaker 2: big games for you to win. They do it at
Speaker 2: home and you go to Indiana Series, what did they
Speaker 2: role players do today yesterday? Made big shots and play well,
Speaker 2: they win the game. The same thing with t Wolves.
Speaker 2: Early on their role players were just okay, but they
Speaker 2: kept them close and didn't get it going. Really, he
Speaker 2: made some shots, but he didn't get it going for
Speaker 2: real like we used to have been having them there
Speaker 2: thirty thirty five every game forty.
Speaker 3: He didn't have that.
Speaker 2: But his guy stepped up when he needed them. And
Speaker 2: then when it came to be that guy and to
Speaker 2: make the big shots, to make the right plays, and
Speaker 2: man was there for that. So you gotta give a
Speaker 2: shout out just not the Cat and Jade mcday, but
Speaker 2: to their whole team yeah.
Speaker 1: So well, we'll talk a little bit a bit about
Speaker 1: it later about this MAVs and Timberwolves matchup, like two
Speaker 1: I don't want to say youngest teams, but two teams
Speaker 1: we didn't think we're gonna be there. And you know,
Speaker 1: the Kyrie and Luca backcourt versus you know, and older
Speaker 1: Conley and a newer guy. What do you think it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen there? Who? I know you've been saying the
Speaker 1: MAVs are a favorite of years in these playoffs and
Speaker 1: if they got far, so what do you think now
Speaker 1: after watching that Game seven, how the timberold stepped up.
Speaker 1: How do you think they match up against the MAVs?
Speaker 3: They match up will I mean, it's a great matchup.
Speaker 2: But like Colley's I always say he's one of the
Speaker 2: most underrated point guards of all time to me because
Speaker 2: he just does his job, run his team, make big shots,
Speaker 2: doesn't turn the ball over. I loved him when he
Speaker 2: was with Memphis, I mean, with Marca Saul and Tony
Speaker 2: Allen and Zat Randolph and all those guys.
Speaker 3: But now it's Jaden Mdane's and man versus Kyrie and Luca.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Because those two are two Dogs and Tim Wolves, and
Speaker 2: you got to lock up those two guys. And I
Speaker 2: know that he was one a Series three one in
Speaker 2: the regular season, but they didn't have j Washington, didn't
Speaker 2: have Daniel Gafford in those guys are playing at a
Speaker 2: high level. So it's gonna be exciting to see for me, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely trying to go to a game, got to
Speaker 2: see what's going on. Yeah, I don't know, it's like
Speaker 2: this because I love the way Man is right now. Bro,
Speaker 2: Like Man is a dog, He's on his level. He's
Speaker 2: he feels like it's his time, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like he's not waiting, he feels like it's his time.
Speaker 2: But it's amazing to see. You see Luke and Kyrie
Speaker 2: from last year when they did they trade make the playoffs,
Speaker 2: yeah to now then the West Combs Finals, and you
Speaker 2: got to give a shout out to Derrick Jones.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: I mean, like he's locking up, he's taking all the
Speaker 2: tough coverages. Yeah, and he's making big shots and scoring
Speaker 2: the ball over the end like that nobody expected. So
Speaker 2: shout out to Derick Jones, man, Like, I feel like
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a citing serious because he's gonna challenge
Speaker 2: it man, you know what I mean? And man gonna
Speaker 2: challenge him. So I'm ready to see that series.
Speaker 1: How much I've seen writers talking about the naivete or
Speaker 1: like almost the delusion, you know, and it's about he's
Speaker 1: twenty two, He's about to play some guys, you know
Speaker 1: Kyrie who he probably watched as a kid in and idolized.
Speaker 1: But he's just like, I don't care almost how much
Speaker 1: do you think that helps him? Is that like a
Speaker 1: superpower of his that he doesn't care who's about to play?
Speaker 3: Bro? Yes, look at it? Who is his favorite player?
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: How do he go with Kevin Durant and the first round?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like he said, it's like it's cool, bro, Like you
Speaker 2: can idolize whoever. You can monitor a game after somebody
Speaker 2: and think a certain person that go. But when it's
Speaker 2: my time, it's my time. And that's how a man feel,
Speaker 2: Like I love Kevin Durant. Go all to respect with
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant. That's what I looked up to. But it's
Speaker 2: my time. Yeah, And he's not backing down. Some people
Speaker 2: get in that moment where they idolize somebody and see
Speaker 2: that person, they don't go at them the same way
Speaker 2: they go with somebody else. He's going to KD like, shit,
Speaker 2: you got what I want? Yeah, and you got to
Speaker 2: respect that.
Speaker 1: That's dope. Okay. I wanted to talk about Game seven
Speaker 1: Knicks Pacers, which I think was a shock to a
Speaker 1: lot of people. Everyone was high on the Knicks. No
Speaker 1: shot for.
Speaker 3: You, No no shot at all. That reason. Why no
Speaker 3: shot because.
Speaker 2: I knew Josh R was hurt with a dominant train,
Speaker 2: and I'd give him all the respect of most respect
Speaker 2: because I know how I feel to play through that,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, like I had that injury when
Speaker 2: I played against the Nuggets. After I dunked the ball,
Speaker 2: I had the rest of the game and I couldn't
Speaker 2: move the way I wanted to, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But for him to get there four hours before the
Speaker 2: before the game, when the before the lights is on,
Speaker 2: to get up shot just to see if he can play,
Speaker 2: then you gotta give a shot at the ogn and
Speaker 2: ob just to try to attempt to get out there.
Speaker 2: He looked at Yeah, he made two shots, but you
Speaker 2: could just tell he couldn't even run like he couldn't
Speaker 2: even lift his.
Speaker 3: Leg to move.
Speaker 2: So I just think the injuries wore him down or
Speaker 2: they didn't get the same impact from the players they wanted,
Speaker 2: and the patience came out being aggressive. But the main
Speaker 2: thing was Halliburd bro. Yeah, when he come out aggressive,
Speaker 2: they're a different team. When he come out past him
Speaker 2: and not looking to score, they'd be a different team.
Speaker 2: But said the tone though, numby being there before being
Speaker 2: in the game seven on the road or at home.
Speaker 2: He came out letting him know, like we can win here.
Speaker 2: We've been close before, we can win here. So that
Speaker 2: wasn't a shock to me because just because the injuries
Speaker 2: that the Knicks had, Yeah, well I was shocked.
Speaker 1: You uh, you know what, here's my thought. You know,
Speaker 1: I feel like people are I don't want to add
Speaker 1: onto the pile one of the Knicks fans, and I
Speaker 1: know I have a lot of Knicks friends or fan friends,
Speaker 1: and everyone's excited. But the window isn't as big as
Speaker 1: I think everyone is describing. You know, we had the
Speaker 1: Sixers team that came in not healthy. They didn't win.
Speaker 3: You know, the.
Speaker 1: Pacers knocked on the Bucks, and the Pacers are a
Speaker 1: newer team to the playoffs again and they beat them.
Speaker 1: And I think that the Knicks there is an issue
Speaker 1: here about Tibbs playing seven guys over plans to these
Speaker 1: guys Josh Hart, you said, was her og interviews her.
Speaker 1: I do think that there wasn't this like almost like
Speaker 1: being able to conserve his roster a little bit better
Speaker 1: for these longer series. So and and we again we've
Speaker 1: talked about him episodes. Tyres Haliburton hasn't gotten to going
Speaker 1: the way he was in the first half the season,
Speaker 1: and he got it going fourteen that first quarter, and
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is gonna be tough for
Speaker 1: the Knicks. And I loved if you watch that whole game,
Speaker 1: which I know you did, the Knicks were slowly, they
Speaker 1: were having these little runs eight no eight no runs,
Speaker 1: and the Pacers came back because they had I think
Speaker 1: they're you know, their defense was being criticized this whole year.
Speaker 1: I thought they played incredible defense, and they were hitting
Speaker 1: big shots from their role players neamhar like getting rebounds,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't shocked. I was I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this is this is exciting because I do think that
Speaker 1: they do have a chance against the Celtics, especially with
Speaker 1: porzingis hurt. But yeah, man, I think uh, I think
Speaker 1: people were hyping up the Knicks a little bit too much,
Speaker 1: and I think the Pacers came and did what they've
Speaker 1: been doing that you know, sort of made this, uh
Speaker 1: made them a playoffs team. So yeah, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: it'll be more interesting. I'm rocking the Pacers sack because
Speaker 1: I do think it might be an interesting Eastern Conference
Speaker 1: Finals more than people are are hyping it up to
Speaker 1: be not hyping up to be.
Speaker 3: So I think it'd be interesting.
Speaker 1: But I think, I mean, I know the Celtics were
Speaker 1: your pick from the middle of.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying because they've been there before.
Speaker 2: I watched him play in the finals against the Warriors
Speaker 2: two years ago with a two year ago yeah, two
Speaker 2: years ago. Yeah, yeah, So I know they got the
Speaker 2: pieces to do it, and I know they like they
Speaker 2: made the trade to get Drawiday. Somebody's been there before,
Speaker 2: they can keep them settle.
Speaker 3: Uh. I just think it's like what all Present has
Speaker 3: been there now it has to be great for them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because.
Speaker 2: Before he was the back of the row where he
Speaker 2: didn't have to be special, just come in and spot
Speaker 2: mens and do his job, and I think he has to.
Speaker 3: Be special for them.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's if Jalen Brunton gave
Speaker 2: you fits for seven games, right, you have Tatum and
Speaker 2: Brown is gonna give you fits.
Speaker 3: Now It's not just one player, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's multiple guys that can go get forty
Speaker 2: or fifty any moments.
Speaker 3: So I think it'd be a siting. I think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: But I feel like for them holding Preziingers back the
Speaker 2: first two games, I think the Celtis feel comfortable, yeah,
Speaker 2: because if not, you would have bought Brazilians back. Now
Speaker 2: we had a lot of time off, he's been resting,
Speaker 2: and I think if you can hold him out a
Speaker 2: little bit longer and wait to the finals to have
Speaker 2: him if you get there, and that's better for them.
Speaker 2: That's how I look at it. For them, they're looking
Speaker 2: at the bigger picture because if not, they lose game one.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, I go when Dallas played Utah
Speaker 2: a couple years ago, they said, luk out the first
Speaker 2: couple games, Jaalen Brusting and Spencer Dimwity was going crazy,
Speaker 2: right and all right, we won the first game are
Speaker 2: we gonna hold look it back another game?
Speaker 3: Just save you now. He can be conservative.
Speaker 2: Now if the such to lose game one, you don't know,
Speaker 2: Brazilians might pop out that game too. Hold on now.
Speaker 2: So we'll see though. But I'm really excited for the
Speaker 2: MAVs and t Wolves here though.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well conference finals are here. It's gonna be dope. One
Speaker 1: last question before we go to break. Some video came out.
Speaker 1: You were up at euybl and your AAU team was
Speaker 1: playing up in Indianapolis and you met the new Kentucky
Speaker 1: coach Mark Pope. Just want to get you know a
Speaker 1: little bit. What was the exchange you guys had and
Speaker 1: how was that meeting?
Speaker 2: It shocked me because I just went to you know,
Speaker 2: I was going, like I said, I was going to
Speaker 2: watch games, and uh he was right there. So he
Speaker 2: dapped somebody up and instead of like what's something, I'm like,
Speaker 2: what's up? I said? H. I said, all respect, all
Speaker 2: respect to you, wish you the best of look there,
Speaker 2: and I'm always gonna support the school, I mean, no
Speaker 2: matter what. Like I love coach Kyle, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean I've seen Cayl when I was down to also
Speaker 2: talked to him. Talk to all the guys that's there
Speaker 2: that went with them, and they's still love for the
Speaker 2: school I played for, you know. I mean like they
Speaker 2: got love for me. I'm in the Hall of Fame there,
Speaker 2: so there's no love lost, you know. I mean like
Speaker 2: I still respect coach Kyle. I'm still gonna show a
Speaker 2: love to Coach Kyle. I'm still gonna go to games.
Speaker 2: But I also wanted to build a relationship with the
Speaker 2: new coach. I mean, because that's the school that I
Speaker 2: went to when I played for, and I met coach
Speaker 2: Jason Hardale was right there and he was like, don't worrybody, bro,
Speaker 2: We're gonna ma sure you get all the gear.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get you all the gear that's coming through.
Speaker 3: And I was like, that's cool.
Speaker 2: I respect it, but just just to see him bitterlytionship
Speaker 2: with him, get to know him a little bit and
Speaker 2: try to figure out how you got things going and
Speaker 2: what path he's going with you.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: So it was all love and respect and we dap
Speaker 2: each other up. Then I went to another game later
Speaker 2: on after I got some ful. He was like, are
Speaker 2: you following me everywhere? I'm like, no, you're probably looking
Speaker 2: at the star player the same way I want to
Speaker 2: see the star player play. So it was exciting just
Speaker 2: to get a little chemistry and better relationship with him.
Speaker 1: That's dope. I saw people yelling, big balloon. It's just cool, my.
Speaker 2: Because you gotta you know, you know, Kentucky's right there
Speaker 2: right in the enda's not too far from Kentucky. So,
Speaker 2: like I said, walking through and meeting people and seeing people,
Speaker 2: it was so many Kentucky fans there.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. All right, Well, we're gonna hit break here.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Draymond Green joining us next on Point
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Speaker 4: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Point Game with John Wall and CJ
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Speaker 1: now to welcome for time NBA All Star, four time
Speaker 1: NBA Champion forward for the Golden State Warriors, Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: Draymond Green on Point Game. What up, Draymond?
Speaker 3: What's up? Fellas? How y'all doing?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: I appreciate y'all having me appreciate it. Hey, you forgot me.
Speaker 2: He had two time gold meda Olympics and one Defensive
Speaker 2: Player of the year. So don't forget this.
Speaker 1: I only got so much.
Speaker 2: You got to do that, and and broadcasting appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Jay got to give him that. That's my most important
Speaker 2: job these days, broadcasting.
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna actually start off the interview by saying,
Speaker 1: I mean, we just saw you on TV a few
Speaker 1: hours ago doing Inside, and you got the podcast that's
Speaker 1: killing You're killing it off the court right now, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, one of the first years of you
Speaker 1: not in the postseason. So I just wanted to see
Speaker 1: how you're feeling about that, Like you've been able to
Speaker 1: just sit back and kind of like analyze these whole playoffs,
Speaker 1: and I want to know how that feels to do
Speaker 1: for the first time.
Speaker 5: You know what, it's been a different experience watching the
Speaker 5: playoffs from the beginning, essentially without a dog in the fight,
Speaker 5: you know, you know, you're not watching it for you know,
Speaker 5: what could be a matchup later in the series or
Speaker 5: you know, scouting teams, kind of just watching it as
Speaker 5: a fan, you know, and breaking down the game obviously
Speaker 5: on the podcast and doing Inside last night. But it's
Speaker 5: been a totally different experience for me. It's one that
Speaker 5: if I'm honest, I've tried to enjoy every bit of it,
Speaker 5: from the extra time off that I haven't had, and
Speaker 5: spending time with my family, going to some events like
Speaker 5: F one Miami with my friends that I have never
Speaker 5: been to, and so trying to enjoy it yet but
Speaker 5: at the same time, and sitting and understanding, like, yo,
Speaker 5: next year, like we need to be back in the fight.
Speaker 4: It's no fun sitting over here on the sideline and.
Speaker 2: Watching, yeah, for sure, Like basically speaking on that, like
Speaker 2: what do you think you and your warriors got to
Speaker 2: do to get back to that deep playoff run?
Speaker 3: You know me?
Speaker 2: Because when you're so used to seeing y'all in the
Speaker 2: playoffs and you see y'all out early, it's like we
Speaker 2: don't expect it at all, you know, I mean, because
Speaker 2: I know that's what you're used to. And like you said,
Speaker 2: we're definitely embracing the time to be around your family
Speaker 2: and go to turin events you missed. But I know
Speaker 2: you who the dog you are. You want to be
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. You want to be competing for a
Speaker 2: championship one percent.
Speaker 4: Jay Waller.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I think it's just my way in my mind
Speaker 5: of trying to tell myself, I'm okay, you know, trying
Speaker 5: to like trying to fool myself into believing like, yo,
Speaker 5: I'm good, Like it's cool. But the reality is, I think, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, like when I really take a step back
Speaker 5: and look at it, like from an honest advantage point,
Speaker 5: like I gotta play, like I gotta be out there.
Speaker 5: I played fifty five games this year, which is not
Speaker 5: nearly enough to help this team be successful. I played
Speaker 5: fifty five games. We won forty forty six games this year. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we're forty six and thirty six, you know, So if
Speaker 5: I don't miss.
Speaker 4: Twenty seven games, Uh yeah, I think that's the man.
Speaker 5: If I don't miss twenty seven games, say we win
Speaker 5: half of those games, you know, half of the twenty
Speaker 5: seven I missed, all of a sudden, we're a fifty
Speaker 5: plus win team, you know, and it's a totally different
Speaker 5: ball game. And so I think for me, it's just
Speaker 5: understanding the stakes, understanding you know, where where my growth
Speaker 5: need to be in and being available for my team
Speaker 5: so that I know we're not dropping games that we're
Speaker 5: supposed to win. When I look at this season, we
Speaker 5: probably lost ten games literally that we easily should have won,
Speaker 5: you know, and that is a direct impact on a
Speaker 5: direct inflection of me missing games, us not building the
Speaker 5: continuity that we need to build in order to win
Speaker 5: at the highest level. And I got to take that
Speaker 5: on the chain, you know, when you when everybody want
Speaker 5: to celebrate when the glory is there, everybody want it's me,
Speaker 5: it's me, But when it don't go so well, we
Speaker 5: all want to point the finger the other way, you know.
Speaker 5: For me, I take that on the chain. I fucked
Speaker 5: this season off and I have to be better. And
Speaker 5: I think, you know, with me being better, I think
Speaker 5: you know, we're capable of still winning. Do we need
Speaker 5: to shore some things up. Of course, every team in
Speaker 5: the NBA, I don't care who the team is. If
Speaker 5: a team win a championship this year, you have to
Speaker 5: get better. Can't fool ourselves. We didn't make the playoffs,
Speaker 5: so we got a lot of growing to do. And
Speaker 5: I think, you know, with a few tweaks here and there,
Speaker 5: I think this team can make another run at it.
Speaker 5: Because when I look at these teams that's in the
Speaker 5: playoffs now, I don't see any of them that can't
Speaker 5: be beat. And so, you know, if we could put
Speaker 5: it back together, which I have no doubt that we will.
Speaker 3: I think we could be right back there. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think right on the nose.
Speaker 2: Just because you said, like you're the leader, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, you the voice of that team, the
Speaker 2: dog he brings to that team. You just get them.
Speaker 2: A lot of players that don't have that if the
Speaker 2: other if that they wish they had. And you could
Speaker 2: tell when you're not there, it's a big difference. And
Speaker 2: you know you probably heard your whole crib people say,
Speaker 2: well Dremond not did goodies not that good. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I impact the game in so many ways. I don't
Speaker 2: have to score. I don't have to get thirty for
Speaker 2: my team. And when I do the little things, and
Speaker 2: you could tell you can feel the impact when you
Speaker 2: wasn't there a lot of games.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and honestly, if when I'm sitting at home watching
Speaker 5: like I could feel it. You know, I'm not an idiot,
Speaker 5: Like I'm not crazy, so you know, to sit there
Speaker 5: and watch it like that shit burned me up, man like,
Speaker 5: because I know, you know, I see certain things and
Speaker 5: I'm like, man like, I should have been right there,
Speaker 5: like and I know I would have been there to
Speaker 5: cut that off, like, oh man, this guy just went
Speaker 5: for forty. Although that's not my match up, per se,
Speaker 5: that wouldn't have been my match up. I could have
Speaker 5: affected our defense in a way to where that guy
Speaker 5: didn't get forty, to where he didn't feel as comfortable
Speaker 5: because I could have came and helped. I could have
Speaker 5: done this to kind of throw off their you know,
Speaker 5: throw off their momentum. So, man, when I'm sitting at
Speaker 5: home watching it, like I know, it's not the same team,
Speaker 5: and by the way, like.
Speaker 4: It shouldn't be.
Speaker 5: You know, if we miss I think, you know, especially
Speaker 5: for what I do on both ends of the floor,
Speaker 5: obviously for what I do on the defensive end of
Speaker 5: the floor, but also being a playmaker on the floor
Speaker 5: for our offense. Like I can sit there and watch
Speaker 5: it and I know, you know, if STEP's not out there,
Speaker 5: if play's not out there, it's a different team, you know,
Speaker 5: and it changes the dynamic of the team completely. And
Speaker 5: so now, man, it's just really having that sense of accountability,
Speaker 5: knowing accepting where I fell short of the glory.
Speaker 4: And making sure I do the things I have to
Speaker 4: do to correct that.
Speaker 1: For sure, Yeah, dream on it. It is a big
Speaker 1: what if and I love what you said about if
Speaker 1: you had played in the games that you miss you
Speaker 1: would have won at least half of those, right, And
Speaker 1: so just getting you guys in the postseason, I feel
Speaker 1: like it resets, like your record doesn't matter. You guys
Speaker 1: are the you know, dynastic Warriors. So like, how and
Speaker 1: we're seeing these young teams in the playoffs, like you
Speaker 1: guys have a different mentality in playoffs, Like there's a
Speaker 1: playoff Lebron, Like I think there's a playoff Warrior, So like,
Speaker 1: how how far do you think you guys could have
Speaker 1: gone if you just made that plass Because it really
Speaker 1: all it was is you had one bad game to
Speaker 1: play in for sure.
Speaker 5: You know what, when I sit back and that's well
Speaker 5: number one, that's one of the reasons you want to
Speaker 5: try to avoid the play in. Like we've been in
Speaker 5: the player now a couple of times. We fell misserable
Speaker 5: each time, and you know, and just understanding like that
Speaker 5: college type vibe where listen, you got one game and
Speaker 5: you need everything to go right in that game because
Speaker 5: the best team isn't always going to win that one game,
Speaker 5: which is what makes the NBA playoffs so special.
Speaker 4: It's like usually over the course of a.
Speaker 5: Seven game series, more often than not, the better team
Speaker 5: is going to win the series. Over the course of
Speaker 5: a seven game series. And when you get into the
Speaker 5: play in situation, if you're nine to ten and you
Speaker 5: got one game and need to win to get a
Speaker 5: second one. If you're the seven eight, you got two games,
Speaker 5: but it's just it's no guaranteed you're gonna shoot well, Like,
Speaker 5: it's too many variables going into it that at this
Speaker 5: level we're no longer accustomed to. You know, you're not
Speaker 5: accustomed to the one and dumb mentality anymore. So I
Speaker 5: think for us, number one is trying to avoid that
Speaker 5: playing like it's too dangerous, you know, we haven't been
Speaker 5: successful in it.
Speaker 4: But then also.
Speaker 5: Understanding for us that if we get in the playoffs,
Speaker 5: there's anyone that wants to face us.
Speaker 3: Like if you are.
Speaker 5: One seed a two seed, you do all of this
Speaker 5: work all year and then you gotta face us in
Speaker 5: the first round. Nobody want to fucking do that. You know,
Speaker 5: it was like Miami this year, Like Boston does all
Speaker 5: this work all year and then you face Miami heat
Speaker 5: in the first round. Now, granted, Jimmy Butler was hurt
Speaker 5: kind of changes the series a ton, but psychologically what
Speaker 5: that can do to you. And so I know that
Speaker 5: for us to get in, just get in, give ourselves
Speaker 5: a chance. Like when we won the championship in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two, I remember telling my boys right before the
Speaker 5: playoffs started, like, y'all, I'll see all that F one
Speaker 5: that was the first year at F one Miami. And
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, I'll see all that F one because
Speaker 5: we're not winning, Like I can't see us making the past.
Speaker 4: The first round like I and.
Speaker 5: And we want a championship, you know, And that's just
Speaker 5: like giving ourselves a chance to actually do it and
Speaker 5: look at the outcome. And so I think for us,
Speaker 5: the mindset just have to be to get there and
Speaker 5: not get there through the play and make sure we
Speaker 5: have a good enough season where we're in that top six.
Speaker 5: And then once you in the top six, injuries happen,
Speaker 5: anything happening from there, it's just the roll of the
Speaker 5: shake of the dice tracks.
Speaker 2: So you, out of all people, know what it takes
Speaker 2: to win the finals and be a champion. What team
Speaker 2: you watch so far in the playoff you think got
Speaker 2: the opportunity and got the keys to win the outside
Speaker 2: of the Nuggets, because you know they won it last year.
Speaker 2: If you see any other team other than the Demos,
Speaker 2: the one team you really see that got what it is,
Speaker 2: it takes man.
Speaker 5: Honestly, the team that I love right now is Dallas.
Speaker 5: And the reason I love Dallas is they have every
Speaker 5: piece that you need in order to win win the championship.
Speaker 5: They got wing defenders, they got big men and a
Speaker 5: couple of big men that they can rotate. Dwight Potle
Speaker 5: doesn't even play. Dwight Potle is a very service super
Speaker 5: big man in the NBA does not see the court,
Speaker 5: you know. When so when you look at a the
Speaker 5: depth that they have, you know, you got Josh Green
Speaker 5: coming off the bench that can mix it up. Tim
Speaker 5: Hardaway off the bench that hasn't had necessarily the shooting
Speaker 5: year that we've brought a custom to him happening in
Speaker 5: his career. But you know, at any moment he can
Speaker 5: get hot. A couple of games ago, Game two, he
Speaker 5: got hot. He changed the game in the second half,
Speaker 5: you know. So I just think that they are a
Speaker 5: team that has the pieces around the guys to make
Speaker 5: it all work. You know, when you look at Luca.
Speaker 5: When you look at Kyrie and what they bring to
Speaker 5: the game, like those are two of the most unguardable
Speaker 5: guys in our league. You know, on any given night
Speaker 5: they both can go for forty. That is the makeup
Speaker 5: of a championship team because it's can you win on
Speaker 5: those nights when your stars can't get it gone? Can
Speaker 5: your defense uphold you enough just to give you a
Speaker 5: chance to win? And their defense has done that with
Speaker 5: the additions of Big Daniel Gafford, with the addition of PJ. Washington,
Speaker 5: Derrick Jones Junior being there this year has changed their
Speaker 5: defensive mentality. And so you know, those guys and so man,
Speaker 5: I just think they got the pieces to do it now.
Speaker 5: I do think it's going to fall on Luca's mindset,
Speaker 5: Like what when I see Luca at times this year,
Speaker 5: I'm saying, I say, damn, Luca, RAI to win a championship.
Speaker 5: He defended, he competed, But are you going to do
Speaker 5: that when it don't go well? You know, when it's
Speaker 5: not going great, when the team is making a run,
Speaker 5: are you still going to compete that same way?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: And I think that's the next step for Luca and
Speaker 5: I know he's more than capable of that because he's able.
Speaker 4: To do that in spurts. So now how much longer
Speaker 4: can you put that together?
Speaker 5: And then also I think the leadership of Kyrie, man, Like,
Speaker 5: nobody want to get that man this credit because all
Speaker 5: the things that he'd been through, the leadership of Kyrie
Speaker 5: has been stellar.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: And when you.
Speaker 5: Watch the growth of a young guy like Kyrie who
Speaker 5: thought he was a leader, fell miserably as a leader,
Speaker 5: then come out and say I failed. I know why,
Speaker 5: and you see him make the corrections, like you can
Speaker 5: only respect that. So I think that team is poised
Speaker 5: for a run. They got it right there in front
Speaker 5: of him.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking on Kyrie because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: so many people were him like he's done, he's washed.
Speaker 1: Like even I'm a Lakers famby boy, like we don't
Speaker 1: need Kyrie, the Kyrie of Old's Gune and he's obviously
Speaker 1: come back here. What do you attribute Kyrie? You know,
Speaker 1: feeling like he's fitting in. He's probably gonna be in
Speaker 1: Dallas for a minute now, Like, what do you attribute that?
Speaker 4: That too?
Speaker 5: Number one, the growth of Kyrie. You know, everybody wants
Speaker 5: to take credit for a guy when they do well.
Speaker 5: No one wants to take the blame for a guy
Speaker 5: when they're failing. And so number one, the growth of Kyrie,
Speaker 5: the structure of his life. You know, when you take
Speaker 5: a step back and you look at Kyrie's life. And
Speaker 5: by the way, we don't know his life. I'm not
Speaker 5: going to sit here and try to act like through
Speaker 5: a TV screen we know his life. But you get
Speaker 5: a good sense of what someone's life is just by
Speaker 5: watching them and how they operate this entire thing. And
Speaker 5: number one, the structure of his life. Always with his wife,
Speaker 5: always with his kids, focused on the task at hand,
Speaker 5: doing everything that he can do with this team, Like
Speaker 5: you know, at times, I think, and when you're a
Speaker 5: great player, is gonna happen. I think at times sometimes
Speaker 5: Luca tend to overdribble or want to overdo.
Speaker 4: It at times.
Speaker 5: Now, I've never been Luka Donci's I've never had that
Speaker 5: responsibility as a as an NBA player, so I can
Speaker 5: imagine it has to be some of that, right, Like,
Speaker 5: in order to be one of those guys, you gotta
Speaker 5: press the issue a little bit.
Speaker 4: So I get it.
Speaker 5: But when you have a guy like Kyrie, Irvis sometimes
Speaker 5: you don't have to press the issue. You can just
Speaker 5: get off of it. And a lot of times when
Speaker 5: you see stuff like that, gods dropped their heads, god
Speaker 5: slump their shoulders walking back, they're bickering each other.
Speaker 4: You never, ever, ever, no matter.
Speaker 5: The situation, see that from Kyrie. Ever, whether it's toward
Speaker 5: Luka Doncis, whether it's tour Tim Hardaway, whether Derek Jones,
Speaker 5: Julian don't make the extra swing swing to Kyrie. You
Speaker 5: never see Kyrie drop his shoulders or anything. They miss
Speaker 5: the shot, they could turn the ball over. He's like, Yo,
Speaker 5: come on, let's go, Let's get back. Like his demeanor
Speaker 5: and attitude is what I think is really carrying his team.
Speaker 5: And man, I'm so thankful to see his growth because
Speaker 5: I know how it is when everybody's trying to tear
Speaker 5: you down, like j Wall. You know how that feel
Speaker 5: when everybody trying to tear you down, when you're in
Speaker 5: a position of you know, the position that we're in
Speaker 5: in the NBA and specific all starting like these people
Speaker 5: build you up just to tear you down. And watched
Speaker 5: everybody trying to tear that man down in the way
Speaker 5: he shook back the way he's continued to grow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a lot of teams.
Speaker 5: Lakers included a lot of teams saying, ah, man, we
Speaker 5: don't need Kyrie no more. And you see what he's
Speaker 5: going to Dallas and doing. Then, Also credit to Nico Harrison.
Speaker 5: I think it's very important that they gave Kyrie a
Speaker 5: safe space to beat Kyrie. They didn't ask Kyrie. You know,
Speaker 5: I had Mark Cuban on my show a couple of
Speaker 5: months ago. They didn't ask Kyrie to come in there
Speaker 5: and be somebody different than who Kyrie is.
Speaker 4: And they took the time.
Speaker 5: Nico obviously been building that relationship for a long time
Speaker 5: through Nike, but they've taken the time to get to
Speaker 5: know the man. And when you take the time to
Speaker 5: get to know the man, you're seeing the product of
Speaker 5: that on the court. And I think it's some beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tell you he said. He said, I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm at home. You feel like he had peace.
Speaker 2: He don't have to worry about trying to fake it
Speaker 2: to be somebody he's not. And that's the biggest kid,
Speaker 2: He's going to be yourself. And also he say he's learned,
Speaker 2: He's learned so much from being lebron in the past
Speaker 2: and going to the finals and winning and losing, then
Speaker 2: going to Boston and things don't go the way he wanted.
Speaker 2: Like you said, a lot of people say, oh, he
Speaker 2: don't have it no more. Do you know who Kyrie
Speaker 2: Irvy is? Do you know how special he is? But
Speaker 2: like you said, his leadership and the way he's defended
Speaker 2: surprised me more than anything because all my battles I
Speaker 2: had with him in Cleveland and Boston, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: never seen him defending this level. Like you said, you
Speaker 2: don't put his head down. He's clapping when a mistake happened.
Speaker 2: He's not worried about that. He's like the next play,
Speaker 2: let's move on, Let's move on. So he's definitely learned
Speaker 2: over the years.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I think what he's doing on the defensive end
Speaker 5: is is uh. It's also set in the tone because
Speaker 5: you see him trying to check whoever it is that
Speaker 5: he needs to check. He pressuring, He pressuring J dubb
Speaker 5: and how court J douv six eight, fast, big body,
Speaker 5: Kyrie preshing this man at half court. That sets the
Speaker 5: tone for the team. Then guess what you see him pressure?
Speaker 5: Then J dob get to switch on Luca Lucas sit
Speaker 5: down for us a tough shot like that. Stuff is contagious, man,
Speaker 5: And I respect the way ky is competing. It ain't
Speaker 5: no matter who he's on, he's competing. He's in front
Speaker 5: of that guy. He's sitting down. Every now and then
Speaker 5: guy hit him with the shoulder or something because they're
Speaker 5: a little bigger. And you see the next play he
Speaker 5: right there sitting down again.
Speaker 4: Man. So man, I give a lot of credit to Kyrie.
Speaker 5: Man, Like I said, we all you know, everybody want
Speaker 5: to throw stones when they get the opportunity to throw
Speaker 5: the stones. But the love don't be like that. Man, shit,
Speaker 5: the love gonna be like that from this way because
Speaker 5: I respect and love to see what he's doing. Man,
Speaker 5: it's incredible to watch for sure.
Speaker 2: So you definitely embrace this podcast platform. What do you
Speaker 2: see next to yourself in his space? You know a
Speaker 2: lot of players sometime we wait till he done plan
Speaker 2: to do it? You said, fuck it, I'm doing a
Speaker 2: wind plan and a lot of people don't have the
Speaker 2: courage in it nots to do that. They might be
Speaker 2: a little scared.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what number one I think for me,
Speaker 5: when I first started. It was my first year was
Speaker 5: the year that we won the championship, and all year
Speaker 5: people like, man, why you doing a podcast? Like you're
Speaker 5: playing you're playing these games, then you more focused on
Speaker 5: your podcast. You shouldn't be doing that, while they let
Speaker 5: them do the podcast, stay off the microphone, nobody want
Speaker 5: to hear you, blah blah blah. And then we go
Speaker 5: win the championship and now all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 5: cool everybody's doing and it's no big deal. And so honestly,
Speaker 5: I like to look at it like I broke a barrier.
Speaker 5: Not that I broke a barrier in being the first
Speaker 5: to do a podcast, like the first active athlete or
Speaker 5: anything like that to do a podcast, because that's far
Speaker 5: from the fucking truth. And I don't want anybody to
Speaker 5: think that's what I'm trying to say. But the beating
Speaker 5: that I took on a daily basis to actively like
Speaker 5: come with two three episodes in a week, actually be
Speaker 5: locked in on building my own platform, building my own outlet,
Speaker 5: and having to be successful. Like the beating that I
Speaker 5: would take on a daily basis for me was fun
Speaker 5: to watch. It also made it very fun to win
Speaker 5: the championship. And throw it in everybody's face. Oh and
Speaker 5: by the way, that same podcast that you said, I
Speaker 5: can do while everybody's in their partying in TD Garden.
Speaker 5: Because that's why our celebration was at till six o'clock
Speaker 5: in the morning. While everybody's in their party until three am.
Speaker 5: I'm working on podcasts shit, and then I go join
Speaker 5: the party. But that to me, why because it's a sacrifice,
Speaker 5: Like I'm trying to build something special. I'm trying to
Speaker 5: build something that when I'm done, as I move forward,
Speaker 5: that I built something that can sustain past me playing basketball.
Speaker 5: And so when I look at the podcast space, ay,
Speaker 5: I love the growth of it.
Speaker 4: I love how.
Speaker 5: Athletes has taken their their own media boy storm. They're
Speaker 5: telling their own stories, They're creating their own narratives and
Speaker 5: not really creating a narrative from the standpoint of what
Speaker 5: we see in the media today, but controlling the narrative
Speaker 5: I think would be a better way of saying it,
Speaker 5: you know, and controlling our own narratives, not getting giving
Speaker 5: other people the opportunity to control what it is that's
Speaker 5: said on my name, Like no, you can go straight
Speaker 5: to the source, and men, I want to continue to
Speaker 5: grow this thing, you know, in partnering with the volume
Speaker 5: the way that I have continue to you know, my
Speaker 5: next goal is to bring other talent in that want
Speaker 5: to get into the space and get them opportunities to
Speaker 5: build their own platforms as well. And so just want
Speaker 5: to continue to do that help on that side, continue
Speaker 5: to see the space grow, and ultimately I think we're
Speaker 5: in the beginning phases of it.
Speaker 4: Man, Like I think, you know, this is just the
Speaker 4: tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 5: And with athletes and their own podcasts and you know,
Speaker 5: how the podcast space is working, and I think that
Speaker 5: will continue to grow when you look at all the
Speaker 5: platforms and the smart people that we have building these
Speaker 5: platforms and these outlets for us to take advantage of.
Speaker 1: Okay, Draymond's staying on your story, man, I think you
Speaker 1: know someone that's on the internet and interesting conversation. They
Speaker 1: were like if an alien landing on the planet, and
Speaker 1: they asked what Draymond Green Green's game was, Like how
Speaker 1: would you describe it? And people said, you are the
Speaker 1: goat of intangibles, and so I wanted to know because
Speaker 1: every kid, I feel like, who's trying to get better
Speaker 1: at basketballs out there working on their handles, working on
Speaker 1: the plays are going to be you know, cut for highlights.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to know how did you work on
Speaker 1: your game and how did you was there like a
Speaker 1: moment when you were younger and you realize, Man, I
Speaker 1: got to work on every aspect to get to the next.
Speaker 5: Level, you know what. I think, it's just kind of
Speaker 5: the evolution of time, you know, at the evolution of
Speaker 5: my game, because you know, I always me and Travis
Speaker 5: we always travels has trained me every year since I've
Speaker 5: been in the NBA. So we've been at it for
Speaker 5: twelve years. And one of my closest friends og at
Speaker 5: Michigan State, and we've been together and we continue to
Speaker 5: grow from a business aspect, but we oftentimes sit and
Speaker 5: talk about basketball. And I always find it very interesting
Speaker 5: when people are like, especially young kids, are like ya,
Speaker 5: I'm Draymond Green, and you know in their mind that
Speaker 5: means like I don't score, but I do the little
Speaker 5: things and I'm gonna make it that way. And don't
Speaker 5: get me wrong, and I wholeheartedly believe that you can't
Speaker 5: make it doing the little things like you can, but
Speaker 5: like I used to score the fuck out the basketball,
Speaker 5: like my whole life. I scored the basketball, you know,
Speaker 5: Like I didn't really play defense in college. I played.
Speaker 5: I was really like great help side defender. But I
Speaker 5: remember making All Defense, Big Ten, All Big Ten Defense
Speaker 5: my senior year, and my assistant coach, coach DJ, laughed
Speaker 5: in my face, like they put you on this team
Speaker 5: because your name, and I'm like nah, like I Jack,
Speaker 5: Like well, I'm a great help side defender and like
Speaker 5: my focus was just always a score when I got
Speaker 5: to the NBA, and playmate, when I got to the NBA,
Speaker 5: that wasn't gonna get me on the floor. Why because
Speaker 5: we had Steph Kurr. We had Klay Thompson, we had
Speaker 5: David Lee, we had Corlandry, we had JR. Jack, we
Speaker 5: had Richard Jefferson, we have Brandon Rush. Like these are
Speaker 5: all guys that have some on some level, put the
Speaker 5: whole put the ball in the basket their entire careers.
Speaker 5: And now I'm gonna come in the second round pick
Speaker 5: behind Harrison Barnes, who's the number seven pick, And I'm
Speaker 5: want to come in the second round pick, and they
Speaker 5: about to get me the ball. That's not happening. And
Speaker 5: so I quickly realized, like yo, My way on the
Speaker 5: court for this team is to defend. Make the little
Speaker 5: players bring toughness, right, So that's my way on the floor. Cool,
Speaker 5: that's how I got to get on the floor. Well
Speaker 5: with that, However, you come into the NBA, what you
Speaker 5: come into the NBA doing, you can never stop doing
Speaker 5: that thing. You can become a better shooter, you can
Speaker 5: become a better play American, you can become a better
Speaker 5: ball handler, you can get a better post game. You
Speaker 5: can do all of those things and add them to
Speaker 5: your game. But what you can never stop doing is
Speaker 5: the thing that got you on the floor, the reason
Speaker 5: that somebody put you on the floor. In the NBA,
Speaker 5: you can never stop doing. Steph Curry can never stop
Speaker 5: shooting the basketball. Steph can't come in and be like, Yo,
Speaker 5: I'm just defending, like fuck shooting the three. I'm just defending.
Speaker 5: Like nobody want to see you just defend, bro, We
Speaker 5: want to shoot. See you shoot the basketball. That's what
Speaker 5: you do. You know, now, guess what you can do
Speaker 5: Steph Curry and what you've done. You can get better defensively,
Speaker 5: you can become a better two way player. You can
Speaker 5: add that to your game. But oh, by by all, means, brother,
Speaker 5: you must shoot this basketball like that is what you do,
Speaker 5: that's who you are. You will never be a good
Speaker 5: enough defender to supplement not shooting the basketball, just like
Speaker 5: I'll never be a good enough shooter to not supplement defendant.
Speaker 5: And so for me, like I knew that I always
Speaker 5: had to defend, all right, So start to build my career.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm averaging and my average is going up
Speaker 5: each and every year, right, Like, I get to a
Speaker 5: point where I'm averaging fifteen the game, and that's trending upward.
Speaker 5: And then Kevin Durant comes and every player that I
Speaker 5: have in the playbook is no longer my play They
Speaker 5: now all go to Kevin Durant.
Speaker 4: And so for me, all right, let me.
Speaker 5: Identify this situation now, because this is a different situation,
Speaker 5: this is a different team.
Speaker 4: What role do I need to play? Right?
Speaker 5: What a role that I need to play is I
Speaker 5: need to go back to doing all of those little
Speaker 5: things I need to make sure I'm getting these guys shots,
Speaker 5: both from passing the ball, screen and doing everything that
Speaker 5: I can to put these three guys in the best
Speaker 5: position that they want to be in where they like
Speaker 5: to score the basketball.
Speaker 4: That's my role. Let me take that on, all right.
Speaker 5: So then as that becomes a thing, now you're no
Speaker 5: longer looked at as you can score the basketball. Right,
Speaker 5: so now I'm strictly just looked at as he can
Speaker 5: play mate and he can defend. No longer looked at
Speaker 5: as oh, we can go to him to get a bucket,
Speaker 5: we can run this set and get him in some
Speaker 5: action so that he can get That's no longer the
Speaker 5: case for me. And so then that kind of becomes
Speaker 5: who you are. And so then that's what it became
Speaker 5: for me. And I've never cared to go to Steve like, oh, coach,
Speaker 5: Like I don't have a single playing the playbook? What
Speaker 5: can you do for me? You know, like can you
Speaker 5: add these plays? Like I don't care. I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: affect the game in any way that I can affect
Speaker 5: the game. So that's Uh. It's always a funny thing
Speaker 5: to me when I watch like younger guys or a
Speaker 5: parent life. Yeah, my son is the next dry mind.
Speaker 5: It's like your son don't score, Like now, brother, you
Speaker 5: should teach them how to score. Because in order for
Speaker 5: me to become who I become, at some point I
Speaker 5: had to fucking score the basketball. Now, yes, I had
Speaker 5: to do. I always could do the other things. And
Speaker 5: I had coaches and I'm blessed in my life. Coach Dawkins,
Speaker 5: Coach Speedy, coach Bruce Uh, coachize Like I've had coaches
Speaker 5: in my life along the way, my uncle to teach
Speaker 5: me the fundamentals of the game and all the little
Speaker 5: things that need to do and the things that what
Speaker 5: it takes to win.
Speaker 4: And so I was able to make that adjustment. But
Speaker 4: I used to score the basketball.
Speaker 5: And I think you know that, you know, as everybody
Speaker 5: always say, like you don't have to score, Like I'm
Speaker 5: be honest, you gotta be a score the basketball. You
Speaker 5: just you gotta be up score.
Speaker 2: So I read a few artists were emphasize and talk
Speaker 2: about understanding the business, where as a business of basketball
Speaker 2: taught you.
Speaker 5: Man, you know what Number one, you can't have feelings
Speaker 5: in business.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know when when you're dealing with this business of basketball, man,
Speaker 5: it is for a lot of us, we grow up
Speaker 5: just playing it because we love it, and then we
Speaker 5: see a means to get out, you know, and it's
Speaker 5: like when you see the means to get out, you're
Speaker 5: like Oh, that's my way out of Saginaw, Michigan. Like,
Speaker 5: that's my way out of Raleigh, North Carolina. The way
Speaker 5: I know Raleigh, North Carolina. Well, people knowing Raleigh, North
Speaker 5: Carolina today, isn't the Raleigh that that John Wall grew
Speaker 5: up in, right, Like, that's that's my way out of here.
Speaker 5: So then you see it as a as a means
Speaker 5: to get out. And by the way, where we come from,
Speaker 5: it's the only means of getting out. Ain't no other
Speaker 5: way out. It's either that go try to be a rapper.
Speaker 5: From what we've been taught now, nobody taught us that
Speaker 5: the guy who plays in the NBA got a lawyer.
Speaker 5: Nobody taught us that the guy in the NBA has
Speaker 5: an accountant firm or a family office.
Speaker 4: Nobody taught us that.
Speaker 5: Nobody taught us until Rich Paul that the guy has
Speaker 5: an agent. And by the way, it can be somebody
Speaker 5: that looked like you. Nobody taught us that. You know
Speaker 5: what they taught us, Hey man, you gotta go be
Speaker 5: the talent, you gotta go play. You gotta break your
Speaker 5: body down in order to make a better living for yourself.
Speaker 5: You know what we all say. Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 5: do it right, and I'm very thankful to be in
Speaker 5: a position.
Speaker 3: That I'm in.
Speaker 5: But when speaking of the business of basketball, the first
Speaker 5: thing that it taught me was no feelings are allowed
Speaker 5: here like there is. You know, if you're going to
Speaker 5: have some sense of loyalty, have that sense of loyalty
Speaker 5: because that's how you feel because that's what you want
Speaker 5: to have, not because you think someone is going to
Speaker 5: have a sense of loyalty to you.
Speaker 4: That's not the case, right Like, I am loyal.
Speaker 5: Of to the go to say Warriors organization because I
Speaker 5: want to be loyal to the go to say organization
Speaker 5: because I love the organization myself personally, not because I
Speaker 5: think they owe me loyalty back now and the loyalty
Speaker 5: that I've given them.
Speaker 4: They've always shown me.
Speaker 5: That loyalty, and I have no reason to believe that
Speaker 5: they're not going to show me that loyalty.
Speaker 4: But by no means do they owe me that loyalty.
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of times we as athletes
Speaker 5: tend to feel like they owe me this because I've
Speaker 5: done X. I'm old that and it's a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 5: You're setting yourself up for failure. You're setting yourself up
Speaker 5: for your ego to get crushed in for your feelings
Speaker 5: to get hurt. And so for me, I quickly had
Speaker 5: to learn the number one ruling this thing is there's
Speaker 5: no feelings involved, continue to move forward. The number two
Speaker 5: thing that I learned, and it probably should have been
Speaker 5: number one if I knew better, was that you must
Speaker 5: know the business of basketball. That you must spend your
Speaker 5: time getting to know this thing, because so many of
Speaker 5: us spend time in this league, spend many forul time
Speaker 5: in this league and never get to know the business.
Speaker 5: And it's baffling to me because it's like, this is
Speaker 5: our business, Like this is the business that we work
Speaker 5: in every single day, and we all depend on someone
Speaker 5: else to know the business for us. But this is
Speaker 5: the business that I'm in every single day.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: And then I think the last thing that the business
Speaker 4: of basketball taught me in lameless terms, is.
Speaker 5: It taught me big business. Like the game of basketball.
Speaker 5: The NBA is business at its highest form. When you
Speaker 5: look at I always talk about in the NBA, everyone
Speaker 5: is operating at an ealy level, like yeah, you see,
Speaker 5: you see us on the basketball court and we're playing
Speaker 5: at an ealy level. But what you don't see is
Speaker 5: Eric Housen, who's our equipment manager, who manages our flights, hotels, travel,
Speaker 5: anything you need from him, all our gear, food, drinks,
Speaker 5: like you name it, anything we need. What you don't
Speaker 5: see is how elite Eric Housing is. What you don't
Speaker 5: see is how elite Rick Celebrini is and and heading
Speaker 5: up our medical staff, and how elite Danny Langford is
Speaker 5: and getting our body like everybody in the NBA is
Speaker 5: operating at an elite level. And that and so for
Speaker 5: me to see that, it's like, oh, this is big business.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: When you see these comport companies operating at an elite level,
Speaker 5: that ain't just because Elon Muskins operating at an early level.
Speaker 5: That's because everybody beneath Elon Musk is operating at an
Speaker 5: elite level. And I think, you know, just being in
Speaker 5: the business of basketball as long as I've been in it,
Speaker 5: and being in it every day and actually trying to
Speaker 5: submerse myself in it so that I know and understanding
Speaker 5: and know the intricate details and the ins and outs.
Speaker 4: Man, it's big business.
Speaker 5: And and oftentimes we fall into like looking at it like, oh,
Speaker 5: it's just a game, like you fall into that it's
Speaker 5: just a game if you want to. This is big
Speaker 5: business and these these people are operating as such. And
Speaker 5: when you go in trying to operate like this ain't
Speaker 5: a big deal, setting yourself up for a disaster and
Speaker 5: you get your feelings and your ego hurd.
Speaker 1: Fasts Draymon, It's it's incredible. I got fired up listening
Speaker 1: to that because it's incredible to hear the grasp of
Speaker 1: you have on the business side of it, and how
Speaker 1: much you know, when your career is all said and done,
Speaker 1: how much do you want to maybe even go and
Speaker 1: be in the front office of an I mean organization
Speaker 1: and apply what you've learned in the business aspect where
Speaker 1: you've applied from, you know, being an incredibly successful Warriors team,
Speaker 1: Like do you imagine yourself maybe going that going back
Speaker 1: to Michigan and me you know, if the Pistons need
Speaker 1: that to go and you know, be in the front
Speaker 1: office and apply what you've learned.
Speaker 5: You know what, I love the Detroit Pistons because they're
Speaker 5: from the state of Michigan. The love that Joe dumar
Speaker 5: showed me in coming up him and Jordan Dumars and
Speaker 5: you know, the access that they gave me to see
Speaker 5: in the NBA organization operate to be around NBA players
Speaker 5: like Rip and take Shine and Big Bend and she
Speaker 5: like that access for me as a kid from Saginaw
Speaker 5: was like, oh wow, I'm like these like I could
Speaker 5: be like these dudes. They are like me, you know,
Speaker 5: like all right, like this is a life I can attain.
Speaker 5: Like wait, it's in reach for me.
Speaker 4: Like that to me was special.
Speaker 5: So I always have love for the Detroit Pistons, man,
Speaker 5: but my loyalty and love is the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 5: I never sit back and look at it like, man,
Speaker 5: the Detroit Pistons is my home team.
Speaker 4: My home team is the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 5: Like that's the organization for me that in my life
Speaker 5: that has had the most impact on my life. That's
Speaker 5: the organization for me that has shown me the most love,
Speaker 5: you know, And I think you know, so oftentimes we
Speaker 5: get caught up in like yo, I need to go
Speaker 5: back home, like I'm at home, Like I'm like that
Speaker 5: is home for me. I built a new home and
Speaker 5: the state of Michigan will always be where I'm from
Speaker 5: and the core of me and like my home for sure,
Speaker 5: But like I got two homes now, you know, and
Speaker 5: I don't look at it like yo, I need to
Speaker 5: go back to the Pistons and give back to them. No,
Speaker 5: if I need to give back to any organization, if
Speaker 5: they'll have me and allow me to give to, I
Speaker 5: need to give to the Warriors organization because that is
Speaker 5: the organization that is a part of my legacy.
Speaker 3: You know, the Detroit Pistons.
Speaker 5: As much as it is that I grew up in
Speaker 5: the state of Michigan, the Detroit Pistons isn't a part
Speaker 5: of my legacy at all outside of what Joe Dumars
Speaker 5: and those guys taught me. Other than that, what's a
Speaker 5: part of my legacy and what's home for me is
Speaker 5: to go to State Warriors. So if I had the
Speaker 5: chance of opportunity to give to an organization, that's the
Speaker 5: organization that I would want to give to.
Speaker 4: Now. Again, I do understand that this is big.
Speaker 5: Business and they may not always have me, and guess what,
Speaker 5: they don't owe me a goddamn thing, And I don't
Speaker 5: feel like they owe me anything.
Speaker 4: But that's what I want to give to now.
Speaker 5: When I take a second step back and I look
Speaker 5: at whether it's front office, whether it's coaching.
Speaker 4: If I'm honest with you, I have zero interest in
Speaker 4: either one of them right now.
Speaker 5: And the reason that I don't have any interest in
Speaker 5: either one of them is because I've been on the
Speaker 5: basketball schedule my entire life, man like, and the reality
Speaker 5: is as special as it is. You miss so much
Speaker 5: like you miss Like I missed my son taking this
Speaker 5: first step, Like I saw that shit on the camera, like.
Speaker 4: You know, and that's seven years ago. I have, I
Speaker 4: got three other.
Speaker 5: Kids on top of him, but like I missed him
Speaker 5: taking his first step, like you just missed so much.
Speaker 5: And by the way, I just mentioned my son. You
Speaker 5: miss weddings, like everybody don't have their wedding in the summer,
Speaker 5: you know when we're off. Like you miss weddings, you
Speaker 5: miss birthdays, you miss Christmases. Man, This Christmas was the
Speaker 5: first Christmas in eleven years that I've been at home.
Speaker 5: Now I mean at home for the entire day.
Speaker 4: Guess what.
Speaker 5: I was only at home because I was suspended. But
Speaker 5: it's the first Christmas in eleven years that I didn't
Speaker 5: step foot into an NBA arena. Like you missed so
Speaker 5: many things and so I'm just not sure i'd want
Speaker 5: to be that I'd want to be on a basketball schedule,
Speaker 5: but I will say I'm honored. Man. And with the
Speaker 5: conversations that I've had with Joe Laker over the years
Speaker 5: and him saying to me, like, Yo, when you're done,
Speaker 5: I can see you one day coaching this team when
Speaker 5: Steve's done, Like, I can see you working with this team,
Speaker 5: Like I would love to see that.
Speaker 4: That means the world to me, because that means.
Speaker 5: The man that owned the organization that I play for
Speaker 5: is watching me play basketball and saying, this guy.
Speaker 4: Can one day coach my team. Like, man, these these
Speaker 4: this again big business. These assets are not small.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: Like, if you're gonna you're gonna trust somebody to coach
Speaker 5: your team, that's not small. That's not a small thing.
Speaker 5: That's a big fucking deal. And so to have to
Speaker 5: know that you have that type of support and like
Speaker 5: the owner of the organization that I play for is
Speaker 5: watching me and saying he can one day coach this
Speaker 5: or man, Steve curR is my coach. Like the guy
Speaker 5: who's been coaching in this organization for the last eleven years,
Speaker 5: ten year is Steve Kerr.
Speaker 4: He's a Hall of Fame coach.
Speaker 5: You're watching him and saying, I think that can one
Speaker 5: day be draymnd. That's insanity to me, and so I'm
Speaker 5: very thankful that people look at me in that light.
Speaker 5: But as I am in year twelve of my career,
Speaker 5: I say right now, and everything changes as time going on,
Speaker 5: So I would never say never. But where I stand
Speaker 5: right now in year twelve of my career headed into
Speaker 5: year thirteen, I'm not sure I want to be on
Speaker 5: the basketball.
Speaker 2: Scha Yeah, You've been in a long time and you
Speaker 2: always in a fight, is always in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Like you said, you don't get no break. People don't
Speaker 3: understand you don't get no break.
Speaker 2: Right Luckily me out I had told my achilles that
Speaker 2: year somebody saying I got this year steps, But if
Speaker 2: it won't for the injuries, I would have never seen
Speaker 2: those first steps, like you don't get this those times back,
Speaker 2: You don't get that moment back, and being able to
Speaker 2: watch it from a camera, you like, damn, I wish
Speaker 2: I was there for that, or even the first day
Speaker 2: take them to school.
Speaker 3: Sometimes we don't be there. We might be a training
Speaker 3: camp or mini camp somewhere.
Speaker 5: And look at that Jay Wall. You said, Man, luckily
Speaker 5: I got hurt. I tore my achilles and I was
Speaker 5: able to see my son walk. Listen to that, Yeah,
Speaker 5: luckily I tore my achilles. One of the worst injuries
Speaker 5: that you can go through. Like, I don't know the
Speaker 5: pain I knock on wood. I never wanted to.
Speaker 2: Be a pain.
Speaker 4: But guess what this man just said.
Speaker 5: Luckily I tore my achilles and I was able to
Speaker 5: see my son take his first step.
Speaker 3: Do you know how fucked up that is?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 5: And this is what we do. And by the way, again,
Speaker 5: I don't take it for granted. I'm very lucky and
Speaker 5: thankful be in a position that I'm in, But it
Speaker 5: also sucks sometimes when people act like we don't deal
Speaker 5: with real shit, you know, like not being able to
Speaker 5: see my son take his first steps. That's real shit,
Speaker 5: Like that is a sacrifice that when people sit back
Speaker 5: and throw stones, they ain't willing to make that sacrifice.
Speaker 5: But you can sit back and throw a dart at
Speaker 5: me from across the room. Or how I may handle something,
Speaker 5: or how I may deal with something, or the mind
Speaker 5: state that I may be in on a specific day,
Speaker 5: but you don't know what I go through, Like you
Speaker 5: don't really know the burden that I carry on my
Speaker 5: back every single day and sometimes it just may get
Speaker 5: the best of me. Like you don't know that. Guess what?
Speaker 5: And you know what else? I always tell you ain't
Speaker 5: willing to make that sacrifice. I always tell guys like
Speaker 5: you know, every now and then you run into people
Speaker 5: and they're like, yo, I could plan it and be
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, you couldn't deal with the stress of
Speaker 5: knowing that when you wake up at seven eight o'clock
Speaker 5: in the morning that you got to game at seven pm.
Speaker 5: Just the stress alone of that day you couldn't deal with.
Speaker 5: Don't tell me you could play in the NBA, like
Speaker 5: you out of your mind? Like and so for me, man,
Speaker 5: all right, you know, like to hear you say.
Speaker 2: That, I might not even want to go to shoot
Speaker 2: around it in fact, to shoot around at ten o'clock,
Speaker 2: that's before the game.
Speaker 3: You gotta go to shoot around.
Speaker 4: There, you there from nine to twelve thirty.
Speaker 5: Like, by the way, be back here at three thirty
Speaker 5: four o'clock, like the sacrifices man.
Speaker 4: And when you just said that, that took me back.
Speaker 5: I was lucky to tear my achilles so I could
Speaker 5: see my son first step. That's what we go through
Speaker 5: as athletes. And listen, it's great. The money we make
Speaker 5: is great. Playing basketball for a living is great, but
Speaker 5: just like everything else, it has its negatives as well.
Speaker 1: Sure, Dram and I have one more question here. You know,
Speaker 1: on the record, everyone knows that you and Lebron are
Speaker 1: pretty close friends. You know, you guys are getting in
Speaker 1: the twilight of your career, a few more years left,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to know the possibil the ever of
Speaker 1: you guys teaming up.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I don't know if you know. I love Brin.
Speaker 5: I love Bron to death. That's my brother, and you
Speaker 5: know the relationship that we have and what it's grown
Speaker 5: to I don't I cherish, you know, my my kids
Speaker 5: see him uncle Bron is Uncle Bron, Like I never
Speaker 5: take any of my brothers in my life for granted.
Speaker 4: Like I'm always thankful.
Speaker 5: I am a relationships guy, like I love building relationships.
Speaker 5: I love like that component of life. And I cherish people.
Speaker 5: And you know, I don't take people for granted. You know,
Speaker 5: people earn't an item to me, you know, like I
Speaker 5: love people and I'm so thankful for the relationship that
Speaker 5: we have.
Speaker 4: I think it's a very special thing.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, when I take a step back
Speaker 5: and look at my life, something that I would have
Speaker 5: been like, especially in those early years in the finals,
Speaker 5: like yo, that's gonna be my brother and we're gonna
Speaker 5: be like this, Like I would have never thought that
Speaker 5: and saying that, as I've said before, unless Broun come
Speaker 5: into Golden State, I don't really see that happening.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, for me personally, if the Warriors will have
Speaker 4: me until.
Speaker 5: I'm done and I tie my shoe strings in then
Speaker 5: out and talk them things about the telephone wire.
Speaker 4: That's where I'll be.
Speaker 5: You know, It's nothing else And looking around the NBA
Speaker 5: that excites me more than doing all that I can
Speaker 5: to try to win another championship with the team that
Speaker 5: I've won for championships with, with the guys that I've
Speaker 5: won for championship with, uh, you know, Stephan Clay like there.
Speaker 5: I never look around the league and be like, hmm,
Speaker 5: I think I'll be great Like fuck that, man, I
Speaker 5: can be great right here. I can do what I
Speaker 5: need to do for us to win another championship. And
Speaker 5: that's my focus. And so as as as much as
Speaker 5: I would love the opportunity to play with Brian one day,
Speaker 5: like I thought I would have an opportunity to summer
Speaker 5: with Team USA, that didn't happen for me, and so
Speaker 5: I think that probably puts a rap, you know, a
Speaker 5: bowl on the possibilities of that, because as long, guys,
Speaker 5: this franchise will have me.
Speaker 3: It's where I'll be.
Speaker 4: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Johnny got anything else that's good, Man, Draymond. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you coming on point game, man. I know you're busy,
Speaker 1: enjoy the off season, and thanks again.
Speaker 4: No doubt, thanks for having me man. I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 5: Jay Wall I've been enjoying watching you transition to this
Speaker 5: next chapter of your life, checking out your podcast, man,
Speaker 5: and just watching you get better and better. You know,
Speaker 5: when I first started this podcast journey, Man, I would
Speaker 5: come on and like, ya, I know basketball, and I
Speaker 5: know how I talked to people, and my producer would
Speaker 5: make this rundown of the show and like I'll be
Speaker 5: logging onto the zoom like reading the rundown and I'm like,
Speaker 5: all right, Finally I had to learn, like yo, you
Speaker 5: got to prepare, Like you can't just come into this
Speaker 5: shit thinking I'm about to read. And when I when
Speaker 5: I watch y'all show, like I see the preparation from you,
Speaker 5: I see the dedication you know, from you and taking
Speaker 5: this serious, and then I just wanted to say I
Speaker 5: love it, like I appreciate your journey, Bro, I appreciate, Uh,
Speaker 5: you know who you were in this league. You know,
Speaker 5: I know so oftentimes people try to like, damn what
Speaker 5: it is that you were in this league, like number one,
Speaker 5: It's not what you what you were, it's who you are.
Speaker 5: And don't ever forget that my dog like you was
Speaker 5: great in this league.
Speaker 4: You was. You was a standard for a lot of
Speaker 4: guys that ain't changed.
Speaker 5: And although people try to cast you out, try to
Speaker 5: throw you out when they feel like they don't.
Speaker 4: Lose you no more.
Speaker 5: I just want you to know, as one of your peers,
Speaker 5: the utmost respectful what you've brought to this game. And
Speaker 5: I love to watch what you're doing in the podcast space.
Speaker 5: It's beautiful to see.
Speaker 3: Bro appreciate that dreamt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when everybody need any advice on this, I'm definitely
Speaker 2: gonna heit you, but definitely appreciate that Bro.
Speaker 5: No doubt Bro's dog always.
Speaker 3: Bro. Yes, we could have played the NFL.
Speaker 2: Bro We're not saying we would have been aut but
Speaker 2: we're not saying we would have been Pro Bowls, the
Speaker 2: Hall of Famers. We could have played. You got such
Speaker 2: j I'll be telling us. You got like some football
Speaker 2: players they played in high school. I didn't know they
Speaker 2: fucking played till you go on YouTube. They bring out
Speaker 2: a highlight tape of them, Like, I don't know. It's like,
Speaker 2: but if they put the work in we put into
Speaker 2: basketball like they've been in football, we.
Speaker 3: Don't know what we could have been exactly.
Speaker 5: And that's my thing is So I think number one, like,
Speaker 5: I disagree with what Austin said in the sense which
Speaker 5: is he said I can take thirty to forty guys
Speaker 5: right now and put them in the NFL.
Speaker 4: That's a lot because the learning curbage too steep.
Speaker 5: The type of training that your body needs to withstand
Speaker 5: the NFL is totally different than we've had over the
Speaker 5: last ten years. And so I am not of the
Speaker 5: belief that any of us right now today could then
Speaker 5: just jump to the NFL.
Speaker 4: However, I am of the belief that.
Speaker 5: If we as NBA players, a lot of us trained
Speaker 5: to go to the NFL we very much so would
Speaker 5: have done that, like because in the NFL, like most
Speaker 5: of those guys were basketball players that weren't good enough
Speaker 5: like that, weren't skilled enough, that was probably strongest shit
Speaker 5: or fastest shit, but couldn't quite shoot, or was probably
Speaker 5: fast not quite big enough, or he was a six '
Speaker 5: four center. And you know my og Lamar Woodley like
Speaker 5: was a pro bowler in the NFL. He was a
Speaker 5: six to three center at my high school and was
Speaker 5: All state all of that.
Speaker 4: But he was a six to three center.
Speaker 5: He averaged twenty eighteen because he's moving niggas at d
Speaker 5: N went the University of Michigan, but he was six
Speaker 5: y three center, like and.
Speaker 4: So he went to play football. Loved basketball his whole life.
Speaker 5: I want to play football, why because I'm gonna take
Speaker 5: this athleticism and make some money some type of way.
Speaker 4: In that six to three center, it ain't working for me.
Speaker 5: And so I believe that like a lot of us
Speaker 5: could have played in the NFL if we were trained
Speaker 5: for that. However, not a lot of those guys could
Speaker 5: have played in the NBA if they were trained for it,
Speaker 5: because they are Most of them did train for it,
Speaker 5: and they weren't good enough, especially the receivers in the
Speaker 5: DBS and the running backs, like the skill positions. They
Speaker 5: are hoopers that weren't quite good enough.
Speaker 1: You see that Keon Coleman guy though in the Bills
Speaker 1: his nice guess what a hooper that wasn't quite good enough?
Speaker 5: You know how I know he's a hooper that wasn't
Speaker 5: quite good enough. He went to Michigan State at first,
Speaker 5: he played both. He played football and basketball. He needn't
Speaker 5: get on the fucking court.
Speaker 3: Damn, he would get in.
Speaker 2: They have forty or fifty they see like last thirty
Speaker 2: seconds the minute.
Speaker 3: That's what is that.
Speaker 5: He probably one of her better players in the NFL. Now,
Speaker 5: like he didn't get in the game, Michigan stay.
Speaker 1: That's what the magic at editing and social media. They
Speaker 1: put together ten great plays and people are like, oh man,
Speaker 1: that's hall.
Speaker 2: I can make the best mixtape right now and just
Speaker 2: say oh this guy. But I know, I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 2: really not not be good at it though, Like I'm like,
Speaker 2: I've seen guy playing my autim and they put a
Speaker 2: mixtape out and I'm like, whoa, he's not this good.
Speaker 3: But then you go really watch a game and you'd
Speaker 3: be like, no, this is what he really is.
Speaker 4: Fat.
Speaker 3: Some kids try to go to college off their little
Speaker 3: highlight tapes.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 2: It's like me like like, you can't tell me to
Speaker 2: go work out, Like I can kill a workout. They
Speaker 2: don't mean I'm gonna do this shit in five on five.
Speaker 3: It's different.
Speaker 4: Like you had one player pre draft.
Speaker 2: How many coups go to pre draft and kill a
Speaker 2: pre draft workout one on one, but then when they
Speaker 2: go play five on five they don't know how to
Speaker 2: play basketball.
Speaker 4: That's a fact.
Speaker 3: Bro. Listen to this.
Speaker 4: John. You remember Joe Alexander that went to West.
Speaker 3: Virginia, Yes, one to West Virginia.
Speaker 5: So the athlete, listen, Joe Alexander was playing, and uh,
Speaker 5: Joe Alexander was playing and uh, Fanta cruise with our
Speaker 5: G League team and they brought him up for a
Speaker 5: workout because they was looking to field the fifteen rosters
Speaker 5: by possibly and he came for a workout.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you remember big DJ White
Speaker 4: from Indiana.
Speaker 5: Yeah, DJ White one, number three and it was a
Speaker 5: couple more, Yes, it was a couple more guys. Now, no,
Speaker 5: DJ White is not Lebron James or whatever. But I'm
Speaker 5: telling you, I watched this workout. Man, I'm gonna try
Speaker 5: to get film of the workout if I can get
Speaker 5: it on the sty to you, I watched this workout.
Speaker 5: It had to be the absolute best workout I've ever
Speaker 5: seen in my life.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 5: If you put goddamn Tony Allen in front of him,
Speaker 5: he was gonna bust his ass.
Speaker 4: And the thing is so Pete Myers was our assistant
Speaker 4: coach at the.
Speaker 5: Time, and Pete used to tell us because Pete had
Speaker 5: him in Chicago when they drafted him, like, hey, man,
Speaker 5: Joe Alexander the best one on one player I've ever seen.
Speaker 5: And then you go you put two on two out there,
Speaker 5: and motherfucker's still incredible. And then you go three on
Speaker 5: three and you get a little worse. And four on four,
Speaker 5: other fucker can't see shit. A five on five. He
Speaker 5: can't even play on the floor.
Speaker 4: Like that's what people would always believe it.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, but I just watched this workout, and
Speaker 5: he's like, yeah, don't be fooled by the workout. You
Speaker 5: ask some guys out there and putting another few pieces
Speaker 5: on the floor, he can't sit attend to see the
Speaker 5: rim anymore.
Speaker 4: It just got blindness. And I'm like, ah, it makes sense.
Speaker 5: So to Jay wall Point, like everybody can play one
Speaker 5: on one, like and it ain't a guy who helps
Speaker 5: out and you got to get through that gap. But
Speaker 5: you can't really do this shit at a high level, and.
Speaker 2: You know, reading the weeks out of the fit and
Speaker 2: they don't know what the fuck going on. That's why
Speaker 2: I'd be sitting like, let's go play one on one.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, I can play one on one all
Speaker 2: fucking day. I play one of my whole life. If
Speaker 2: you really know I play.
Speaker 3: One on one.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go three dribbles to two dribbles and see
Speaker 2: how many people want to play Exactly it's like, no,
Speaker 2: we're not playing no more. They want to dribble for
Speaker 2: twenty second. I'm not chasing nobody around like that.
Speaker 5: Exactly, two three dribbles. I see if you can get
Speaker 5: a good shot off in two to three dribbles, because
Speaker 5: guess what that is the NBA, My man, you don't
Speaker 5: get twenty dribbles to try to get somewhere. You got
Speaker 5: two to three dribbles. And if you ain't where you're
Speaker 5: trying to get get off the ball.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 2: The only way you get that pass now is because
Speaker 2: the NBA is like a lot more spacing, and if
Speaker 2: you the guy, you might get that many dribbles. If
Speaker 2: you ain't the guy, that's how cal too is in college.
Speaker 2: If you can't get by nobody one or two dribbles, dribbles,
Speaker 2: come on, get off the ball.
Speaker 3: You need to come see next to us, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: You can come sit next to us. We ain't doing that.
Speaker 1: That's a fine, Draymond appreciate you, Yes, sir, No diet Drey.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna see you around, bro.
Speaker 5: Ain't no doubt. Jay Wallace, good to see you fair, Yes, sir,
Speaker 5: Love bro Love.
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Speaker 1: The Crown is yours all right, John. We alluded to
Speaker 1: it in the beginning, but we wanted to get it
Speaker 1: here in the Bucketer Brick segment. So first one here,
Speaker 1: we'll start off with the t Wolves our favorite over
Speaker 1: the maps to win the Western Conference Finals at minus
Speaker 1: one seventy, meaning if you bet one hundred and seventy dollars,
Speaker 1: you can win one hundred of bucks. So Bucket Brick,
Speaker 1: the Timberwolves will win the West.
Speaker 3: Hm.
Speaker 1: It's tough. You said in the beginning you weren't sure yet.
Speaker 3: That was gonna go. I don't know, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna do nothing, okay.
Speaker 2: Because it's no no, because it's interesting because I feel like,
Speaker 2: for me, Kyrie and Luker are the best back cord
Speaker 2: of a point guard and real shooting guard and in
Speaker 2: the history to me, they haven't one anything. But just
Speaker 2: like they can both go get fifty, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. But also I love the attitude and the
Speaker 2: aggretch the ant Man comes with. So I don't want
Speaker 2: to go against ant Man either, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Because ant Man is on another level right now.
Speaker 3: I love everything about it.
Speaker 1: That means if you go, if you go supporting casts
Speaker 1: versus supporting cast. So we talk about role players a
Speaker 1: lot on this show. So what role players would you want?
Speaker 1: The massive Timberwolves. Let's try it that way, like I
Speaker 1: think they have. I think Mas have better shooters, bigger
Speaker 1: shot makers, but the Timberwolves. So you have like incredible
Speaker 1: defensive bigs.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no no no no not really no, not
Speaker 3: really no.
Speaker 2: But you have the six man in nas Reed. But
Speaker 2: I love PJ. Washingt the way he's defending, the way
Speaker 2: he's making shots. I love the way Derrick Jones is
Speaker 2: stepping up making shots. So I feel like Derek Joe
Speaker 2: the Jada McDaniels, they like count each other out. I
Speaker 2: feel like Jada mcdane's more talented, more talented than what
Speaker 2: Dereck Jones is. But Derek Jones is doing the same
Speaker 2: than Jaden McDaniel's doing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Then I think nas Reed gives them the edge on
Speaker 3: the other end. But PJ. Washington has been great for them,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You have Josh Green that come in and do his thing,
Speaker 2: Dote Xen was there then they started playing Jaden Hardy,
Speaker 2: Derrick Livey's been special for them. So I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting. I think it's gonna be interest. He's
Speaker 2: going six to seven for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Celtics Pacers Eastern Conference Finals, So bucketer brick,
Speaker 1: the Pacers will force a game seven in Boston, not
Speaker 1: Pacers winning to force the game.
Speaker 3: I see it going five or six.
Speaker 2: I see it going five or six because I just
Speaker 2: feel like the Pacers are fighting hard. I love coach
Speaker 2: Rick Carlisle. Siaka has been special. Uh, Hallen Burds has
Speaker 2: showed up in moments in spurts. I just think as
Speaker 2: such as they have, they they know what they they
Speaker 2: know what they're going for.
Speaker 3: I mean, everything's on the line. They've been there before.
Speaker 2: I think what Tatum be in the league seven years,
Speaker 2: he's been to a five or six East Conference Finals.
Speaker 3: I think they know what they need to do to
Speaker 3: get there.
Speaker 2: I think they got their mindset on one goal, and
Speaker 2: that's get to the finals and let's get over the humps.
Speaker 3: So I see them taking care of business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're the clear favorite right now after
Speaker 1: the Nuggets. Yeah, okay, all right, moving on here back
Speaker 1: to the Nuggets. The bucket or brick, the Nuggets will
Speaker 1: win another title with Yo Kich Bucket.
Speaker 2: I feel I feel like I feel like they realized
Speaker 2: this year they what they lost from their bench. Last
Speaker 2: year heard them and this year, I mean because the
Speaker 2: tim Woods was wearing them down. They had a better bench,
Speaker 2: So I think they realized what they was missing. I
Speaker 2: think they may objective is it signed guys back and
Speaker 2: then go sign some pieces. They helped their bench a
Speaker 2: little bit, but the young guys are still developing. I
Speaker 2: just don't think they was ready for that type of moment.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. What type of players you think they got
Speaker 1: to go out and get this offseason.
Speaker 2: Like the Bruce Brown, like Jeff Green, like those guys
Speaker 2: that was veterans knew how to play. It's it's okay
Speaker 2: to have the young guys, you know. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: okay to have young guys and still develop them. But
Speaker 2: I feel like they was missing some of those veteran
Speaker 2: guys off the bench to help him because they only
Speaker 2: played like three guys off the bench. You know, usually
Speaker 2: Nuggets can play three, four or five guys, So I
Speaker 2: think they a little bit more help with their bench.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, moving on a little bit of
Speaker 1: Lakers talk here, So Bucke or Brick. JJ Reddick will
Speaker 1: be the next coach of the Lakers.
Speaker 3: Buck, Yeah, I think he is. I just think he is.
Speaker 1: The way the media is talking, it's like JJ is
Speaker 1: is primed to take that spot, so they do it.
Speaker 1: How do you think that go? How does it work?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Because I think people are a little bit a little
Speaker 1: I think weary of it because he's a first time
Speaker 1: head coach. You know, we just had Darvin Ham for
Speaker 1: two years and they thought it was more of a
Speaker 1: player coach. So in the Lakers, biggest organization to be
Speaker 1: the head coach of how do you think that works?
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I never seen JJ coach, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, yeah, I just see him on the
Speaker 2: podcasts and then see him broadcasting.
Speaker 3: So I really don't know how that would work.
Speaker 2: But all the best of the lucky we do get
Speaker 2: the job, you know, I mean, like whatever job you
Speaker 2: do get, it is the legers or whatever.
Speaker 3: Being ahead coach is.
Speaker 2: Not easy, I mean because yeah, there's so much that
Speaker 2: comes with it nowadays, and now it's more of a
Speaker 2: player's league than a coaches league, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So long as yours, long as your players respect you
Speaker 2: and buy into what you got going on.
Speaker 3: You can go a long way.
Speaker 2: I mean, yet, I know they're gonna probably try to
Speaker 2: trade for somebody we get the job and add some
Speaker 2: more pieces to help them out.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Because I from talking to guys like you played in
Speaker 1: the league and that had you know coaches you I
Speaker 1: think you and and Marsham were talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: Randy Whitman, and it's almost having a coach who can
Speaker 1: connect with the players but also can call out their
Speaker 1: their bullshit.
Speaker 3: You know that kind of I don't give it, Damne.
Speaker 3: It's high school college level.
Speaker 2: Like, if the best player can be coached by the coach,
Speaker 2: your team is not going far. I mean, like you
Speaker 2: got to be able to hold your best player accountable
Speaker 2: the same way you hold the fifteen down on the
Speaker 2: team accountable. And then once everybody see that, then it
Speaker 2: brings your team together more because okay, shit, if he's
Speaker 2: getting on our best player, I gotta do my job
Speaker 2: as a role player, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: if I'm not getting on the best player, the role player,
Speaker 2: like with shit, he feel a way too, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I don't have to listen to him,
Speaker 2: or I don't have to buy in. So when the
Speaker 2: best players buying in and doing it on both ends
Speaker 2: of the floor, everybody's followed their lead.
Speaker 1: And that's as important as knowing the ex and up.
Speaker 2: That's the most important role actually though would come down
Speaker 2: the pack. But if I can't coach my best player
Speaker 2: and hold him accountable like I can the fifteen player
Speaker 2: on my roster that might not play and my team
Speaker 2: not going far. And then after that, you know, building
Speaker 2: team chemistry, building camaraderie, guys liking each other and just
Speaker 2: want to play for each other, Like you look at
Speaker 2: the tea boards man, Like last year they didn't know
Speaker 2: if Kat wanted to be Cat wanted to be the
Speaker 2: man that an't want to be the man.
Speaker 3: You could tell this ship they know what the man is.
Speaker 2: They all accepted it, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: they know answer guy, Kat is cool with being the
Speaker 2: second guy. And you see how where they're playing, like
Speaker 2: how they come out of it is how their team is,
Speaker 2: like they enjoy each other, their young team, but with
Speaker 2: a couple of vets, but they enjoy playing for each
Speaker 2: other and that goes a long way, all.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, Finally, Bucket or Brick, Jo kich is
Speaker 1: actually happy the playoffs are over so you can go
Speaker 1: home to his horses. You think that's real, You think
Speaker 1: people there's all these memes out there who are like,
Speaker 1: Yo kicch is fine, he just wants to go and
Speaker 1: hang out with us.
Speaker 2: I say brick because yogis why not care about like
Speaker 2: the MVP's and all that. But shit, he's still the
Speaker 2: basketball player. Like he still want to win championships. I
Speaker 2: know that for sure. I mean, he don't care for me.
Speaker 2: He don't care about the accolades, really don't care about
Speaker 2: the media attention. He don't want that. He just wanted
Speaker 2: to play basketball. If you win, he's winning. After that,
Speaker 2: I'm going back home, like he loves to be in
Speaker 2: his hometown. He loves to be around his horses, he
Speaker 2: loves to be around his family. And you can't be
Speaker 2: mad at it. I mean, because he kills in the NBA.
Speaker 2: My job is done here. I'm going droy my life
Speaker 2: and he's just doing it back home in his country,
Speaker 2: so he can't be mad at all.
Speaker 3: But I say brick because I know him.
Speaker 2: I don't know him, but I know he has still
Speaker 2: want to if he had a chance to fight and
Speaker 2: to try to go win the championship, he would love that.
Speaker 3: He just don't care about the media attention. I could
Speaker 3: tell you that. I bet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I really enjoyed his uh postgame press conference last
Speaker 1: night where he was breaking it down. It's like he
Speaker 1: said the specifics Timberwolves are built to beat the Nuggets,
Speaker 1: and they came up short, you know. And so if
Speaker 1: he didn't care and you want to just go back
Speaker 1: to the sources, he would have been like p some out,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I felt that he was half the perfect
Speaker 2: team that could be the Nuggets, like they had the
Speaker 2: perfect team. I mean I told him before, I said,
Speaker 2: look at last year when nas Reed and Jadam Damn Zert,
Speaker 2: they still had a great series. So you're adding a
Speaker 2: sixth man and in your best defensive playoutside of their man.
Speaker 2: That changes the aspect of the game for them. Got
Speaker 2: him back and Wine and Winnie.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be We're gonna see that matchup
Speaker 1: again in these next few for sure. I think Nuggets
Speaker 1: are gonna go get the pieces to go and beat
Speaker 1: the Timberwolves vice versa.
Speaker 3: Like this is chess like chess, because the Timple Wolves.
Speaker 2: Even though they beat them, they're gonna try to do
Speaker 2: some ship this summer to make their team even more better.
Speaker 2: I mean, all the priendings. If the Nuggets go do something,
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to do something. That's how they're gonna feel.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, Well we're just getting started with these conference finals.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know, people listening right now, keep listening, John,
Speaker 1: do you have anything else with the fans?
Speaker 2: The man's gonna be a siting now we had the
Speaker 2: conference finals. We know what the matchups are, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna get a lot of this talk on our podcast.
Speaker 3: You know it's gonna be a siting. So I already
Speaker 3: see when the game get rolling. So show Tom, YEP, showtime.
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