1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast knows what they call you 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: down at the station chackets. Welcome to another edition of 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: Around the NFL. My name is Dan Hansis I got 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: a virtual room filled with some heroes here, Mark Sessler 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: and Greg Rosenthal. And yes, we kept this open ended 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: audience of loyal listeners this season that when there was 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: a particularly newsy Monday morning, we might break out of 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: our typical cycle, which has been Monday night recap plus 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: news and just give the news its own little platform. 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,319 Speaker 1: And that's what we're doing today because there is a 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: lot to get to. How has everybody I've missed you guys, 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I haven't seen you in easily six hours. 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: Well, we've also been texting. That's the thing. We spend 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: so much time together on air, certainly off air at work, 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: but then it's usually like the minute we leave work, 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: then we start texting and it basically continues until the 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: next show. So you you are my brothers. 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: There's a healthy codependency, you know, at play. But you know, 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 3: we have only done this news show once and we 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: we you know, the bar needed to be high. A 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 3: lot of quarterback stuff happened and before the show happens. 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 3: You know, Greg typically will create a little news rundown, 23 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: and it was like five items and it got longer 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 3: and longer and longer and longer. So it's like, we 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: got to go do this. 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: Well, said Mark, you put it. 27 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: Beautifully, I thought he was going to say, And it 28 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: turned into a Russian novel by the end. That's a 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: Marcism totally story, a little worn peace here. 30 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: So yes, check out the week eight Sunday recap and 31 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: we will have the Monday night football recap for the 32 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: game between Mark. 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: What are we saying? Are you totally? I was drifting off. 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: To space the Raiders the team of at l is 35 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: Jimmy g the most handsome man in the league. 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: Let's go just a different different when Mark is in 37 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: that home space. I gotta tell you I do. 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: Like the plaid though, So everyone check it out on YouTube. 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. No sense messing around 40 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: any further. Let's do some news. 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: It just didn't feel like it should end like that. 42 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: You understand, only one team at the end of the 43 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: season is able to walk off the field victorious. It's 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: kind of a cool reality of this business. 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: But you know, we'll keep working and I will continue 46 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: to have the goal that someday I'm standing here talking 47 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: to you all, and it's a much much bigger stature, 48 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: So thank you. I know it's not the most popular 49 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: take on this show. In fact, I believe Mark you 50 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: excused yourself from the studio when we talked the Quarterbacks 51 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: Netflix series that ran this summer, But I thought that 52 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: that was one of my favorite, like NFL films productions 53 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: that I've seen in recent years. If there was a 54 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: tug boat cut, we're getting rid of everything Marcus Mariota based, 55 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: and then we take it down. But then the two 56 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: figures that are left, Patrick Mahomes, possibly the greatest quarterback 57 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: who's ever lived, playing at the height of his powers 58 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: during a Super Bowl Championship run, covering him day to 59 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: day during that run, and then Kirk Cousins, who is 60 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: perhaps the most you know, lightning Rod, like a lightning 61 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 1: Rod quarterback of his generation. And the news became official 62 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: just before we went on today, the Vikings announced that 63 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: Cousins did indeed tear his achilles tendon and Sunday's win 64 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: over the Green Bay Packers, he's out for the rest 65 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: of the season. The timeline and details of his upcoming 66 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: surgery will be determined this week per the team, and 67 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: again there is a there are implications for the here 68 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: and now for the Vikings about what happens next with them, 69 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: which we're going to get to, and also the bigger 70 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: picture for Cousins, who in a walk year of his 71 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 1: contract that the Vikings specifically chose to let this year 72 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: play out, and he just so happened Mark to be 73 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: having one of the best seasons of his career when 74 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: he took that fateful step at lambeau Field. So here 75 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: we are now, Cousins out for the year, a great 76 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 1: season cut short, and his future and unknown. 77 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 3: You started to feel like this Vikings team record aside, 78 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: was a team that had a better chance with the 79 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: way he was playing, to operate as like a berserker 80 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: down the stretch, potentially make the playoffs and maybe do 81 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 3: some damage there. There's just a lot to like in 82 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: this offense. And when you get this version of Cousins, 83 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 3: I don't know, it felt like the ceiling was a 84 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 3: mystery and a good way for them, And so I 85 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: think there's sort of a feeling of depression around this development, 86 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 3: because yes, like it's one thing if a young first 87 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: round pick was stepping in or someone that had a 88 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: lot of promise, there's really nothing behind him right now, 89 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: and it changes the end off. I mean, I feel 90 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: like from another angles, a team like the Lions that 91 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: doesn't play the Vikings till weeks sixteen and week eighteen, 92 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: they basically this division is an empty husk, and so 93 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: it's like it changes a weird NFC wildcard picture. It 94 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 3: changes the NFC North, and it changes the career arc 95 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 3: of Kirk Cousins. We don't know where he'll play next. 96 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you look at that wildcard picture, 97 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: that seventh spot is going to be funky, you know. 98 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 2: And that's even assuming you know, second place in the 99 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: NFC East, whether it's Cowboys or Ego, second place in 100 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: the NFC West, assuming the Seahawks, you know, keep it 101 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: going and can make the playoffs, and in the forty 102 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: nine ers, then that seventh spot, who the heck knows 103 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: where it's coming from. I would have maybe made the 104 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: Vikings the favorite after yesterday. They were four and one 105 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: in their last five games, and they have a spicy 106 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 2: defense and a quarterback playing, you know, as a Pro 107 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: Bowl quarterback. It's heartbreaking. I think the point of those 108 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: shows quarterback, other than to make money, is from the 109 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: NFL film's perspective, to create an attachment with a player 110 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 2: with a team that wouldn't be there. And I think 111 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: how they portrayed Kirk Cousins absolutely did that, and I 112 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: think that's actually why it's resonating even more dan Is 113 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: because of that. 114 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was I'm glad you brought that up, because 115 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: that was the other point I wanted to make that. 116 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: I felt like the people that watched that and have 117 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: followed his career, there was kind of a curcaissance going 118 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: on this year. So for it to end in such 119 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: sudden fashion when he's playing really some of the best 120 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: football of his career at I believe age thirty six, now, 121 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: that is a real crushing thing in terms of what 122 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: the Vikings do. And we talked a little bit on 123 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: Sunday night, and I was in a little bit of 124 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: a different camp because I didn't think the Vikings should 125 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: trade a draft pick of value, and I mean like 126 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: a Day one or Day two draft pick to bring 127 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: in a veteran to just put somebody there. I wouldn't 128 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't mortgage the future to try to save this season. 129 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: Where they are right now. But there is a report 130 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: out there, Greg from Pro foot Ball talk of another 131 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: name that's out there who would address both the here 132 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: and now and the future, and that would make a 133 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: lot of sense to me. 134 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Mike Floria, who is a closet Vikings fan 135 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: throughout Kyler Murray. So it's it's a lot to happen 136 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: in the next two days. And that's because they weren't 137 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: they if they could possibly think about Kyler Murray, they 138 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: weren't thinking about it two days ago. So it's a 139 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: lot to try to wrap your mind around. But Kyler 140 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: is an interesting name. The next two days between them, 141 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: and just. 142 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: Think about Floria. 143 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: I think he was really just throwing it out there 144 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: more than anything, but almost wishful thinking. There hasn't been 145 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: any hard reporting about what they might do or won't do. 146 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: But yeah, Nick Mullins is hurt. They have Jaren hall 147 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: who is a fifth round rookie, and they're going to 148 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: bring in someone, whether it's a backup to Haller or 149 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: maybe like a case Keenum type, They're going to bring 150 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 2: in someone. 151 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: One name that has sort of been linked to the 152 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: Vikings because Colt McCoy worked out for the team recently. 153 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: He was with Kevin O'Connell for three years in Washington. 154 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: You know he was They were glued together in preparation 155 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: every week, so he knows him well. He would know 156 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: the attack to some degree. I don't know. I guess 157 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: like Carson Wentz is still sitting out there someone like 158 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: we talked about maybe Matt Ryan gives them a call Florio, 159 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: you know, more like this was this was more just 160 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: like wild speculation. Wondered if Kevin O'Connell, who was teammates 161 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: with Tom Brady, would maybe make a phone call in 162 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: that direction. That feels like lunacy to me. But this 163 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: offense is like set to go. That's the one thing 164 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 3: it's like I don't like. I don't think the Vikings 165 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: should give up on the season if they if they 166 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 3: can self scout their quarterback position and say we've gotten 167 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 3: nothing here currently. I don't think you ride with Nick Maullins, like, 168 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: do you waste another year of Justin Jefferson, a year 169 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: of Jordison Jordan Adison's rookie contract. I think you like 170 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: they're a sneaky good team if they get functional quarterback plays. 171 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: They showed a shocking amount of confidence in Jaren Hall 172 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: in those two series, letting him throw on early down, 173 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: letting him throw on third and eight when they needed 174 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: to burn clock. He fumbled and kind of burn them 175 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: and they did it a third and long, but they 176 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: got to get someone. And I don't know, you still 177 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: got to play these seven years. I'm with you, not 178 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: mortgage in the future, Dan, but for a fourth round 179 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: pick or you just you just try to do the 180 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: best that you can, right, And it's funny. It might 181 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: give Kirk a better chance to return there. I actually think, like, 182 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 2: because now he's not going to be healthy till the 183 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: middle of the next offseason. It's weird. Whoever signs Kirk 184 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: is going to have to kind of play it both 185 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 2: ways and not totally count on him. 186 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: You know what, though, Like I think he would have 187 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: a robust market in free agency. I think people would 188 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: seeing how he played this season, knowing the way players 189 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: can recover from even a serious injury like an achilles, 190 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: I think he would have a big market and would 191 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: get paid big time money. We'll see, Yeah, I do agree, 192 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: you don't just give up on the season. But like 193 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: I'll use the other like when Aaron Rodgers Pops's achilles. 194 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: Part of the reason that that was such a like 195 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: a tragic thing for Jets fans is that you looked 196 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: at the roster and you said, this looks like a 197 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: potential Super Bowl roster with a loaded defense and playmakers 198 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: on offense. They just need a QB to make it go. 199 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: So when you think about should they go get a quarterback, 200 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: it was like, okay, because that maybe they could hoist 201 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: the Lombardi if they added a quarterback in Minnesota. How 202 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: much does it lift the ceiling in terms of what 203 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: they can do? It is a wide open conference. I'll 204 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: say that I would love the Kyler Murray thing. That 205 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: makes sense. 206 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: That would be wild. But if you're like saving up 207 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: draft picks or you're thinking about, Okay, we need to 208 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: find a quarterback of the future at some point, so 209 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: let's not burn our draft picks or our cap space 210 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: like it's for someone like Kyler Murray bright a number 211 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 2: one who's had some pretty good production. 212 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: And it's just interesting. I guess that it just so 213 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: happens that the timing coincides exactly with a the trade 214 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: deadline and deadline spur actions and b Kyler Murray being 215 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: cleared to play in this exceeding weirdness coming out of 216 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: Arizona about not wanting to play him. Let's see other news, 217 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: other injury news. Matthew Stafford his near future is up 218 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: in the air at the Athletics. Jordan Rodrigue reports that 219 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: the Rams are quote evaluating a range of potential scenarios 220 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: for Stafford after he suffered a thumb injury on Sunday 221 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: in that blowout loss to the Cowboys. They have a 222 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: Week nine matchup against the Packers before they hit their buy, 223 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: so it seems like potentially Stafford is on the shelf 224 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: this week and then gets the buy to recover, but 225 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: it could go beyond that, right. 226 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, The report says they haven't ruled out injured reserve, 227 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: so that would all but end the Ram season. And again, 228 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 2: the timing's interesting with the trade deadline here, did they 229 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: possibly think of just pulling the ripcord here trading some 230 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: people for this to be reported in this way and 231 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 2: she's the only one that's really reported this, you know, 232 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: indicates to me, like the best case in it is 233 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: probably that first thing that you said if you want 234 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: Stafford to return, that there's a range of outcomes and 235 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: it's got to be cold in Green Bay. They even mentioned, 236 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: like the weather this week, like with the buy coming up, 237 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: that that would be unlikely. But when they do further 238 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: tests and kind of see how it goes the rest 239 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: of the week, like it might be pushing it and 240 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: they might have to be careful. And then it's suddenly 241 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: again Mark whoever has got the Rams on their schedule 242 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: the next four weeks like totally gets lucky because Stetsan 243 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: Bennett is on the did not is on a reserve 244 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 2: list right now, non football illness list. They haven't give 245 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: given details about that, but it's it's Brett Rippin as 246 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: the backup. 247 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, you know you were demoralized by Dallas. 248 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 3: Then this was the anti icing on the cake. And 249 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: it's you know, two years in a row where the 250 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: Rams are thrown into the blender because of losing Stafford. 251 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 3: And I mean like cousins, you know, we've been talking 252 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: about Stafford correctly for the last month that it's not 253 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 3: as you know, numbers so much. But he's playing as 254 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 3: well as we've ever seen him place, throwing the ball 255 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: as well as Matthew Stafford ever has and there was 256 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 3: sort of an energy in a spirit to this RAMS team, 257 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 3: and he was right at the heart of it, and 258 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: you kind of lose your north star now and you're 259 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 3: back in that wilderness where it's like if you lose 260 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: him for you know, if he goes on IR check 261 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: you later. Rams. I mean, it's just it's like the 262 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: drop off from QB one to two on a lot 263 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: of these teams. It's pretty drastic. 264 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And we'll get to the Giants in a second, 265 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: because I had a thought on that about what's going 266 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: on in the depth charts in our league right now? Mark, 267 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: what would be anti icing on the cake? Are you? 268 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: Are you scraping off essentially the top layer of what's 269 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: already like a pretty like cake. 270 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it would be I mean, icing on the 271 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 3: cake would suggest, well, this is just a beautiful thing, 272 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 3: right taste and EXPERIENCETI. 273 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: Icing would be what like. 274 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: A layer of you know, if you were to go 275 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 3: into like your sink in like deep scrap whatever's down 276 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: that sink pipe and then put that on top of 277 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,359 Speaker 3: a cake that already tastes. 278 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: Good, like an anti freeze on the cake. That would 279 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: work some anti freeze and it ruins the cake. You know, 280 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: it's a little morient I freeze on this cake is 281 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: And I know it's a little awkward to talk fantasy 282 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: football after injuries. Of course, were disappointed for these players. 283 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: Oh, our society is long past the stage where it's 284 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: seen as awkward. We just didn't talk about it. 285 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: And it's disappointing for these teams and these men. But 286 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: if you were enjoying Jordan Addison's insane season or Pukinakua 287 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: in Cooper Cup and all this stuff, it's it's not 288 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: going to be the same. No, in the next few weeks. 289 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: In other quarterback news, Oh boys, True to what I 290 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: said on Sunday, I couldn't believe it. I didn't think 291 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: it would ever happened. But the first game that I 292 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: teed up this morning for a rewatch was indeed Titans football, 293 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: where Will Levis did look really fun in lighting up 294 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: the Falcons defense. The Falcons on their side of the ball, 295 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: finally mercifully benched Desmond Ritter, who's been holding the back 296 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: all year. Tellor Heineke comes in and plays well and 297 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: the team produces in the second half, And I'm thinking 298 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: to myself, like, how committed to this bit? Will Arthur 299 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: Smith be because there is no way you could go 300 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: back to Ritter after Heineke badly outplayed the starter. But 301 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith has kind of made it a joke of 302 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: like how to handle a roster and how to how 303 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: to deal with the media and being truthful and honest 304 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: and and make sense and be logical. So let's see 305 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: if he finds a way to keep Rider and the 306 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: lineup moving forward. Here's what Arthur Smith had to say 307 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: on Monday about his starter. 308 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 4: I gotta see where he's at. 309 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: So that's that's fun. 310 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 4: That's all the best I can give him where I 311 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 4: gotta see where he's at. I can see if that's 312 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 4: the best thing for his team this week. Obviously it's 313 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 4: not something that's earned long term. He's done a lot 314 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 4: of good things, but we got to find a way 315 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 4: to go win this game, whether you know we had 316 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 4: it's Taylor, that's what we'll do. I concerned his Dez 317 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 4: obviously long term, you know, got back out there. 318 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: I don't think he's ready. Okay, someone translated, because that 319 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: was might as well be another language. 320 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to translate. Yeah, Taylor Aidicky is starting Wednesday. 321 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, but what was all that. 322 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: Says about Dez about I got to see what Dez 323 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: and Okay, so he's. 324 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: Like hiding behind the injury thing. Still now he was 325 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: tested for a concussion, and he kept saying, look, health 326 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: can affect you, and so we got to see how 327 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: he's feeling. But then he also said, like I'm concerned 328 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: about him as a person. 329 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: And so that's what I mean, like, what are we 330 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: doing here? 331 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: Right? I think he's talking about I think he's maybe 332 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: a little scarred from the Marcus Mariota Ryan Tannehill transition, 333 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: which Mariota took very poorly and had some issues with 334 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: Arthur Smith about well he quit the team no back 335 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: in Tennessee. I mean, not all. It's confusing. It's confusing 336 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 2: that Arthur Smith Marcus Mariota benchings. But good point. There 337 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: was one last year too. I'm thinking about the one 338 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: back in Tennessee. And so he kept pointing out like 339 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: long term, it's Deaz and so what we got to 340 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: win a game this week and so that to me said, but. 341 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: If he's clear, he's cleared this hypothetical health hurdle that's 342 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: being floated out there potentially in a fugesy manner, does 343 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: that mean that Desmin rider would start if he's healthy. 344 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: I think he seems like the door was open. 345 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 3: That quote, I mean, if you read it versus I 346 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: think the way he speaks sometimes you kind of drift 347 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 3: away as the listener. But I've never heard him say this. 348 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 3: It said, it's not something I'm concerned about long term. 349 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 3: He's done a lot of good things, but we got 350 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: to go find a way to win this game. Like 351 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 3: he's never introduced. Like yeah, but like, no matter how 352 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 3: healthy is or how good of a job Desmond Richards done, 353 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: we're in a different situation now as a team. So 354 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: I think for me, I took it as a clear 355 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 3: indication that Heineke will start. And by the way they're 356 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: playing the Cousins free Vikings, so you got a chance 357 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: till Tilhonnieck is in a better spot than he would 358 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: be with Cousins announce Wednesday. 359 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: He will announce the starter, he said, no matter what 360 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: I promise you, I will tell you Wednesday who's Startingly 361 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: that means that's a new guy. 362 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: Yes, but I also would not be surprised if Wednesday 363 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: comes and goes and there will be no starter announced. 364 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: He's got his commitment to this bit is I mean 365 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: almost admirable, all right. Now, moving on more quarterback news, 366 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, who has a neck issue for the second 367 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: time in his career, and that and that spooks teams, 368 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: as it should. He has been practicing with the team 369 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, but hadn't been able to 370 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: get cleared for contact, which is why Tyrod Taylor started 371 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. On Sunday against the Jets, 372 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: and so much was happening in general that didn't get 373 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: to drill in on this as much. Tyrod scrambles out 374 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: of the pocket, gets brought down near the sideline, suffers 375 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: a rib injury. He was pretty scary because he's down 376 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: on the field and he runs off the field and 377 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: then kind of collapses on the sideline. They ended up 378 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: taking him to the hospital for observation, and I believe 379 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: of this recording he's still being observed at the hospital. 380 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: And the news is Daniel Jones is now cleared for contact. 381 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: He will return and start for the Giants and Week 382 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: nine in what is obviously a must win for them. 383 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 1: And that's good news because one other takeaway from that 384 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: insane Jets Giants game was Brian Dable having a quarterback 385 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: on his roster in Tommy DeVito, who went to don 386 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: Bosco Prep is where which is where all like the 387 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: kids where I grew up, went to play sports if 388 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: they were really good, by the way, So like a 389 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: super local kid, he would not let him throw the ball. 390 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: He finished with negative passing yards, and even in overtime, 391 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: the Giants win the coin toss and they throw three 392 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: consecutive screen passes behind the line of scrimmage and punt 393 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: the ball back to the Jets essentially gave up. But 394 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: it almost felt like because they wouldn't let de Vito 395 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 1: even try a pass. The fans at met Life Stadium, 396 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: it was a Giants home game, so all their fans 397 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: were there were channing let him throw, let him throw, 398 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,239 Speaker 1: and it was just as crazy to me that they wouldn't, like, 399 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: you would have this guy on your active roster. You 400 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: would go through all of training camp and he would 401 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: be ostensibly throwing the ball downfield in these practices, and 402 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: then when the games comes, he literally never let him 403 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: throw the ball once. So thank god for Giants fans 404 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones is healthy enough to return to the lineup. 405 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: But that was a head scratcher to me. 406 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like, I'm with you. What is he doing 407 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: on an NFL right? Anyone playing quarterback in an NFL roster, 408 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: are you going to be great? No, not necessarily if 409 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: you're a third stringer, but you've got to be able 410 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 3: to be trusted to in that situation. Try to make 411 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: a play, go for it. So I'm with you, was mystifine. 412 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: I don't really remember a game where a team ended 413 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 3: with negative nine yards passing. I'm sure it's happened, but 414 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: it's an outlier, you know. The one thing with Daniel Jones, 415 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 3: it's like the reoccurring neck issues. He's had disc issues. 416 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 3: It's just kind of like, I know the game and 417 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: the money, but it's like the durability has been a 418 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: b line for Daniel Jones outside of last season's and 419 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 3: he's playing behind a terrible offensive line. He's he was 420 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: so heavily punished before he went out that it was 421 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: getting hard to watch. So that is a concerning situation 422 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 3: for his health in general. 423 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 2: Well, at least he gets to play the Raiders next week. 424 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: But it's it's pretty heartbreaking for for Tyrod. He's had 425 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 2: such an unlucky career and he's been a solid NFL quarterback. 426 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 2: That's why he's still playing at age thirty six. You 427 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: do wonder if that is potentially the end of his career. 428 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: Hopefully he can come back this year and continue being 429 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: a backup. But I think he's still in court suing 430 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: the charters doctors for watching the injection that led to 431 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: his collapse lung, same area. You know, we don't have 432 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 2: any information. 433 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: It started the career of Justin Herbert, right. 434 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 2: So it's just man, uh, you you feel for this, 435 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 2: This whole team, this whole quarterback room seems spooked. 436 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: I went to school again, grew up in the same 437 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: area as Tommy DeVito. I went to school with a 438 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: kid named Tim DaVita, and this is Tommy DeVito. A 439 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: lot of Italians in my neck of the woods. Here 440 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: is Tommy DeVito on Twitter. If you're watching on YouTube, 441 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: can we please take him moment? This from Andy Wilson 442 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: to talk about Tommy DeVito's TD chain. Yeah, it's a 443 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: gold change with maybe diamonds spelling out the name. And 444 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: I could tell you as someone who grew up in 445 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: and around New York, New Jersey, this is a very 446 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: normal look and people shouldn't think it's different because I 447 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: know a lot of men like Tommy DeVito and they 448 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: all have that chain. 449 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, don't you know, don't shame the accessory crowd in 450 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 3: the Tri State area for the way that they adorned themselves. 451 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Dan are they all are? Any of them 452 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: football players with the word to your initials meaning touchdown? 453 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it's perfect. 454 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: I've talked about my life in the Coletown a lot 455 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: on this show, and there was just an uneasy existence 456 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: between the Irish and the Italians. And we were all 457 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: kind of in the same we all went to the 458 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: same church and all that, but the Irish and the 459 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: Italians were different types of dudes, and the Irish had 460 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: a certain way about them and the Italians they had 461 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: a certain way about him. The gold chains and stuff 462 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: that was the Tommy DeVito crowd kind of makes me 463 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: nostalgic for that time in my life. I kind of 464 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: like seeing him. I wish you would have been allowed 465 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: to throw forward pass on Sunday. 466 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: It was like nineteen thirties in the Bronx, But I 467 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: understand weird. Well, it wasn't exactly Gangs of New York. 468 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm not saying there was warfare, but there was definitely 469 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: a rivalry in terms of like, you know that those 470 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: two you know, cultures. I wish there was like a 471 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: who was the butcher from uh it was? I wish 472 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: there was a butcher character that was like my dad, No, 473 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: what's his name? The guy Daniel d Lewis, Like if 474 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: my dad was actually the richer of Pearl River, that 475 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: there would have been an additional pack. 476 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 2: Bill the Butcher. Betty the Butcher is a rapper, you know, 477 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: probably which is a takeoff and building. 478 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely not referring to Betty the Butcher. Bet All right, 479 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: let's take a break and then we'll hit the rest 480 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: of the news. All Right, we're back. More injuries to 481 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: so many injuries in the NFL. It feels like this year. 482 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: Falcons defensive tackle Brady Jarrett suffered a torn ACL in 483 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: the team's Week eight loss of the Titans. He is 484 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: out for the year. He's a two time Pro bowler, 485 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: a key, a key to what they do, and he's 486 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: done for the year. Also after the year, Gregy Kendrick 487 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: Bourne he suffered a torn ACL the Patriots wide receiver 488 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: and their loss. That was from Mike Garifolo and that 489 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: happened in the fourth quarter. He was having a really 490 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: nice season, especially for Patriots playmakers in terms of that category, 491 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: and now his season is over as well. Quite a bummer. 492 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: Their offense is so tough to watch. He had the 493 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: most juice of any receiver they had, along with the 494 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 2: Mario Douglass, their rookie, so that it turned out to 495 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 2: be a decent free agenciety. I mean, he was their 496 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: second best receiver two years ago, was totally in the 497 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: doghouse last year, was back out of it, and I 498 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: expect he'll be gone. Grady Jarrett, though, was a bigger 499 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 2: impact here a team competing for the playoffs, and you 500 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: could see the difference they were put The Titans, who 501 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: have struggled to run, were really opening up some holes 502 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 2: in that defense. Once Jarrett was out, he's the you know, 503 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: him and Ajterrell are the two best defensive players on 504 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: that team. They're better than they used to be, so 505 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,239 Speaker 2: it's not as catastrophic, but they're pretty thin there. They 506 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: have David on Yamatta who's been playing well, but that's 507 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: a huge loss for Atlanta. 508 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 3: I could see that being a trade deadline, a source 509 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 3: of activity. I could see them bringing someone in along 510 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 3: the line, they've been so active trying to pump up 511 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 3: that defense and it's been good otherwise, Like. 512 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 2: They have a ton of cap space, by the way, 513 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: it's why Kyler actually would make more sense for them 514 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 2: than almost any team, just because they've had all the 515 00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: cap space in the world. 516 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, they seem active. And like when I watched Kendrick 517 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 3: Bourne go down as one of the ones where you 518 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 3: knew right away he's gone. And like their list list 519 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 3: of leading receivers was Kendrick Bourn with thirty seven catches, 520 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 3: then the next person is Romandre Stevenson, then Hunter Henry 521 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: and you mentioned to Mario Douglas he has nineteen catches 522 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 3: on the year. 523 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 2: I mean, he's been in the doghouse. He at least 524 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 2: unlike anyone else. He makes people miss when he gets involve. 525 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: But I hear what you're saying. Kendrick Bourne was a 526 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: little more of a veteran version of the Mario Douglas 527 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: neither which they had a good team. They'd be the 528 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: three in the four, you know, not the one in 529 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: the two. 530 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: Let me get some other injury stuff out of the way. 531 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: There Will Levis, who he talked about briefly. He balled 532 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: out against the Falcons, and he's expected to start on 533 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: Thursday night in place of Ryan Tannehill, who has a 534 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: high ankle sprain. And you would think if Levis continues 535 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: to flash, he will continue to start there. And who 536 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: knows what Ryan Tannehill's future is. The Jets also so 537 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: much going on in that game. They were on their 538 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: fourth string center the second half of that game against 539 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: the Giants, Connor McGovern their starter. He suffered a dislocated 540 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: needcap out which he's out weak to week. His backup 541 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: comes in and on the last couple series before he 542 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: hurts his calf and he's gonna be out sometime. And 543 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: this is a great tidbit for my father in law, 544 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: Bob Bates, because the guy they put in as the 545 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: fourth stringer and his first snap was a lost fumble 546 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: and the second snap nearly went over Zach Wilson's head 547 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: and threw the back of the end zone. But then 548 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: he calmed down and did a great job in a 549 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: really tough spot. Xavier Newman, he's a Baylor guy. That's 550 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: why Bob Bates, my father in law, is all over 551 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: it at BU. According to Bob Bates' text, he actually 552 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: started only one game at center his entire college career, 553 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, he start he's playing in 554 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: the rain in the NFL, snapping the ball, so Jets 555 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: a snake bit at offensive look. 556 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: And Dexter Lawrence, who might have had like one of 557 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: the best days of any defensive taxles like ever that game. 558 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: That game was just stupid, But shout out to the 559 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: Baylor Bear for holding it down. Mike Tomlin said, Mika 560 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: Fin's picked Minka Fitzpatrick. Their defensive back is out. I 561 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: believe it's a hamstring and the door is quote a 562 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: jar for Kenny Pickett, who was also injured in that 563 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: loss of the Jaguars. Here's Tomlin on pickett status. 564 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 5: I think the door is definitively a jar for Kenny. 565 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 5: You know, probably a game time type decision based on 566 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 5: the information that I'm that I'm holding here uh today 567 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 5: with no structural damage and so forth to his ribs 568 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 5: and so we see how we'll go through the week, 569 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 5: his ability to throw, his level of comfort, his ability 570 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 5: of effectiveness, et cetera. Uh, and let that be our 571 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 5: guide in terms of determining his availability. 572 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: I want Mitch. I want Mitch. On Thursday night, I 573 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: want to come on, Levis. I'm not saying Mitch is 574 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: gonna be good, but I think he's more entertaining to. 575 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: What I think it's time. By the way, with Mike Tomlin, 576 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, like right like the second half of his career, 577 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: like Bono just started wearing the sunglasses all the time 578 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: inside and outside. I think Tomlin and these press conferences 579 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: indoors to just wear the aviators because it's always like now, 580 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: it's a little weird when he's not wearing them, So 581 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: why not just roll with them all the time because 582 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: he looks cool as hell on them. 583 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 3: I could listen to him all day long. I think 584 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 3: the one development that's a little interesting is that losing MIKEA. Fitzpatrick. 585 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I'd say you just hardcore rest them as 586 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 3: much as you can if it were the previous version 587 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 3: of the Titans that we watched in London, dead and 588 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 3: dead on arrival, on offense, but Minka Fitzpatrick being absent 589 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: against what we saw from Will Levis is a factor 590 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 3: if he's going to continue to whip the ball down 591 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: feel and become operate like a super robot. 592 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: Will Levis the quarterback we always wanted justin Herbert to 593 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: bet get that off, all right, contract news, I don't 594 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: believe that everybody shut up. The Packers give Rashan Gary 595 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: a one hundred and seven million dollar extension four years. 596 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: He's a pass rusher. He announced it on social media. 597 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: This was the final year of his rookie deal. Former 598 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: first round pick, he has been a difference maker for them. 599 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: He overcame a torn acl GREGI and I guess this 600 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: is a good time for Packers PR to fire out 601 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: something like this because other news around the organization is 602 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: not so hot. 603 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: I mean, shout out to Rashan Gary for breaking this 604 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: story on Twitter. What I found unique was I actually 605 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: think he put the amount of money in his original tweet, 606 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: you know, so it's like he's coming for your corner now. 607 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: He didn't have like the signing bonus. Our guy rap 608 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: sheet got there first with that. It was a thirty 609 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: four million dollars sign it was But good job for Gary, 610 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: he gets over one hundred million dollars. Our friend's over 611 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: at the PFF podcast, Steve Pelozolo noted Rashan Gary and 612 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: this was before last week, had the highest pass rush 613 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: win rate of any player they've ever recorded this season. 614 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 2: So far, like he was on pace for it probably 615 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: wasn't going to maintain because early on they were being 616 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: careful with them coming off of to ourn acl. But 617 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 2: that that's how much Rashaun Gary is winning. I don't 618 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 2: know how their defense is so bad with so many 619 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: good players, but they are. 620 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: So He's that they always thought Miles Garrett could be 621 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: get me, Mark come at me. 622 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 3: No that now you've now you've just gone into insane 623 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 3: world gear. 624 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 2: It's got posters of Rashan Gary in his room. 625 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 3: Gary is a higher pressure percentage over the last two 626 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 3: years than Micah Parsons and Nick Bosa. So, I mean, 627 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 3: you know, he's sort of this gem inside that defense, 628 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 3: and they've not been really good as a group. I mean, 629 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 3: their offense isn't helping them out. 630 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 2: ACLS really used to take two years to recur from. 631 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: I guess it's just I mean, and sometimes people come 632 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 2: back slow, plenty of people, but sometimes they come back 633 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 2: and they're Better'll never it never happened. 634 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: I think age, Yeah, definitely factors in. But you know 635 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: Ferry von Miller, now there's like a breeze hall and 636 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: it's like was he even hurt those type of situations. 637 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: And even von Miller the first time around. He's on 638 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 2: his second ACL, so that's it doesn't help too. 639 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: That is a thing the Bills add to their backfield. 640 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: They signed playoff Lenny Fournette off the Street, where he'll 641 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: join a Bill's depth chart led by starter James Cook 642 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: has been very good this year. And also Latavious Murray, 643 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: who I like, he's an old man that's still just 644 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: go north and south, buddy and you'll be all right. 645 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: TDD Johnson is also there. And now you add playoff Lenny. 646 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: But I don't know where he fits in. But they 647 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, he's a deaf guy. He's a body this. 648 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 3: Sage like maybe like a goal line guy for them. 649 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 3: But I kind of if I like it at all, 650 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 3: because it sort of mystified me. I mean, it tells 651 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 3: me two things. One, all right, like people are whispering 652 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 3: about Derek Henry still being available the Bills are out 653 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 3: on that one. But also, if Leonard Fournett's going to 654 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 3: join any team, I like him joining like in November, 655 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 3: not like we can get him for eight or nine weeks. 656 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 3: That's probably the best case scenario. 657 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 2: I have a theory to hear it. 658 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: The mysterious Josh Allen shoulder injury is leading to some 659 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: changes to their play calling near the goal line, so 660 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: they want to get somebody in there that can debangs Wild. 661 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 2: He did finally run in that in that game. I 662 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 2: did notice. So they started Latavius Murray and anytime they 663 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 2: were in the hurry up, which they're they used more 664 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: in that game, almost used primarily. And Alan talked afterwards like, 665 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll see, maybe we'll do a lot 666 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 2: of that. So maybe maybe Fordett is an upgrade on 667 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: Latavius Murray as like the hurry up back. For some reason, 668 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: they don't like using James Cook for that. 669 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: I don't know why. All Right, you mentioned it, Mark, 670 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: So let's circle back with the trade deadline twenty four 671 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: hours away. Derrick Henry is still available, despite you know, 672 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: some things coming out of Tennessee. He is still available, 673 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: according to Jake Glazer, who is plugged in on such matters. 674 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: So if you really want Derek Henry, there's probably a 675 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: pretty decent chance he can be had if you give 676 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: up what the Titans are looking for, which is probably 677 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: a fairly nice draft pick. And another report out there 678 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: is that there is a team a mystery team that 679 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: has offered the Commander is a conditional second round pick 680 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: for Montes sweat I think this is interesting because you've 681 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: heard Chase Young's name put out there more in terms 682 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: of the Washington Pass rush. Sure that could go at 683 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: the deadline, but Mike Grifolo said on our show last 684 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: week that either could be had. It just depends on 685 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: what is the better offer. So Young and Sweaty could 686 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: be gone. Young or Sweaty could be gone or neither. 687 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 3: Florio, not our Florio, but at PFTUS Mike Florio had 688 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 3: some information that the Falcons were sniffing around one of 689 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 3: these players, So I mean that kind of makes sense 690 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 3: with what we talked about before, especially post injury. It's 691 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 3: I kind of find this whole Commander's thing interesting, where 692 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 3: they're like, we're getting rid of one of these guys. 693 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 3: We're not sure which, but one of these guys is 694 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 3: going to be off our roster, like why, and we've 695 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 3: already discussed like who the heck is making this decision 696 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 3: or this order. But I don't know, I want to 697 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 3: be post like confusing commander stuff, and this feels confusing 698 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 3: to me. I don't quite get why you have to 699 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 3: do that. 700 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 2: Oh, I was hoping for it based on the time 701 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 2: we were taping this. Eric Roberts behind you know the virtual screen. 702 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've been watching this, but I 703 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: need some breaking news. Eric, we have a t trade. 704 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 2: We have a trade. Hit me with that break. The 705 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 2: Giants are finalizing a deal, according to our guy, Ian Rapaport, 706 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 2: breaking that news to send Pro Bowl defensive lineman Leonard 707 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 2: Williams to the Seahawks. According to rap Sheet and Mike Garifolo, 708 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: Lenny Williams to Seattle. 709 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: Here there you go. I mean you want to talk 710 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: about I said, speaking of that conversation with Garifolo, you 711 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: know we're talking about how much things can change just 712 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: based on the outcomes of Sunday and the Giants losing 713 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: a game that they had a ninety nine percent chance 714 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: of winning. I think absolutely plays a role here in 715 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: them saying, you know what we done, so we're gonna 716 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: get rid of our second best defensive lineman, maybe third 717 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: now with Kavon really emerging along that line. But Leonard 718 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: Williams is always He was a good player on the Jets, 719 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: he became a great player on the Giants, and he 720 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: definitely will fill a need mark for a Seattle team 721 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: that needs some help in the trenches on defense. 722 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 3: I like it for them. I don't like it for 723 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 3: Williams in the sense that he did the very savvy 724 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 3: thing where while he's played for two teams, he probably 725 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 3: didn't need to move his residence just by operating for 726 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 3: the Jets and Giants. But now you're getting sent about 727 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 3: as far away as you can geographically, but you're being 728 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 3: sent to a team that suddenly and surprisingly leads the 729 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 3: NFC West after the swoon of the Niners. 730 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 2: So fortune's up and Ian in the tweet mentions, gives 731 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 2: them some flight financial flexibility as a primary motivator. So 732 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 2: that's interesting. Like for Saquon I guess, or for who 733 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 2: knows Lendar, Williams is a free agent, so this is 734 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 2: more of a rental. He's I think thirty thirty one. 735 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 2: He's not the player he used to be, but is 736 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 2: still a good player. Seattle, you know, might be looking 737 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 2: to sign him to a mid you know, a short 738 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 2: term contract after this, because they are sending according to 739 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 2: pell Razer, and we got the we got the skinny 740 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 2: on the battle between these two insiders. Now I see 741 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 2: they tweeted it out basically the same time. I think 742 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 2: Ian barely beat him. But Tom has the trade terms, 743 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 2: so that's interesting. Tom gets the trade terms, but Ian 744 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 2: wins by like twenty seconds. When will this ever end? 745 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 2: It's a twenty twenty four second in a twenty twenty 746 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 2: five to fifth So that fake trade Colleen tried to 747 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 2: send out there where she was just like asking for 748 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 2: like a fifth round pick for Leonard Williams or something, 749 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 2: and you scoffed at her, Dan, that was right to scoff. 750 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,919 Speaker 2: They got a lot more. They got a second round pick. 751 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: That is a good return. Yeah, and that is uh. 752 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean that just seems like a very difficult existence, 753 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: the insider war. Will you imagine the semantics. 754 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 3: Of it all? Well, what can you imagine if zastly 755 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 3: our responsibilities flipped and the three of us had to 756 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 3: compete with each other to break news and parse up 757 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 3: breaking news. I mean, we'd be in tatters and about. 758 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm the ATN insider, so I actually lived in both worlds, 759 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: but I do it a little bit different than the 760 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,919 Speaker 1: Pella Sero's and the rappaports of the world. Just put 761 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 1: it that way. 762 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 2: You're insider, You're not, You're not like you know, Sham's and. 763 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 3: I would never well for starters. 764 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: If my media group ever said you have to be 765 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: a co insider, I'm walking like, I'm gone, Like. 766 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 2: Don't they all have to do that? Almost like Schefter 767 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 2: had more with him for a while. 768 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, there's always a lead dog. Fair Ian's 769 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: our lead dog. But if they if I was like, Okay, 770 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 1: here's the here are the two tweets, and we're going 771 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: to change the wording here, and we're going to change 772 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: a participle here, I'm out. I'm gone. Okay, I'm I'm 773 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: at Yahoo the next morning. Okay, hello Athletic, it's me. 774 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: Do you want an insider? I work alone inside. 775 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 3: I like that, And I also like the idea of 776 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 3: like this immense career retrospective that's coming down the pipe 777 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 3: for you at some point. That is just one of 778 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 3: the sort of the way that it's marketed is the 779 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 3: gentle insider. 780 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 2: I do really like that. Quickly on the Seahawks, by 781 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 2: the way, I've been meaning to throw this stick. I 782 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 2: really think they have a higher ceiling right now than 783 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 2: I expected going into the year because their defense is 784 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 2: so much more capable. They're not going to be a 785 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 2: shutdown defense, but they have so many playmakers. I think 786 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 2: some games they're really gonna pop off, like different guys 787 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 2: just making plays. I think it's the best Seas defense 788 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 2: in seven or eight years. The offense hasn't totally clicked, 789 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 2: you know, but they have talent there. I think their 790 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 2: ceiling is a little higher than I expected. And this 791 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 2: is a nice move. They lost to Chennon Nuosu, who's 792 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 2: an edge rusher, and I know Leonard Williams is in 793 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 2: the interior, but they were quite thin on the interior. 794 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,760 Speaker 2: This this is a team that's pushing now. Pete Carroll's 795 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 2: getting up there in the year like this is a window. 796 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 2: I think they think they can go make a run 797 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 2: at it this year. 798 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Niners are obviously vulnerable. They're on a three 799 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: game losing streak. They'll they're not gonna fall off the cliff, 800 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: but they they have proven they are far from some 801 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: type of, you know, decades spanning dominant team. The Eagles 802 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: are winning for the most part, but we know that 803 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: they haven't been a perfect operation either. And then after that, 804 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the Lions are obviously very good team, but 805 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: they've shown themselves to be vulnerable cowboy dam thing. It's 806 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: it's a wide open NFC. So I think it's a 807 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,919 Speaker 1: trade giving up a second round pick that is that's 808 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,720 Speaker 1: pricey and the and the Seahawks have been heart before 809 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: looking for that one final piece on d H and 810 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: giving up high draft assets. But this one I think 811 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. And Williams, I bet will 812 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: be excited to play with that team, so good one 813 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: makes sense for both sides. And I'm and you're right. 814 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,760 Speaker 1: I think the takeaway about the finally changing his address 815 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: is notable Mark and should be a conversation point as well. 816 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 2: Beautiful well in area of the country though Mark maybe 817 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 2: expand his horizons, you know, you ever hear aputes it 818 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 2: sound like he live like he on the water. 819 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 3: You know he's also it's not the same as when 820 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 3: you know, some Joe Blow has to travel across the 821 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 3: country to get a job and you know, pay for 822 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 3: it themselves. This guy's like a multi millionaire. I'm sure, 823 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 3: like nice moving trucks will come and move all sorts 824 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 3: of gold chains and big boxes of you know, treasure, 825 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 3: like from east to west. 826 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: So he actually has like old school cartoon treasure chests 827 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: that were found at the bottom of oceans. The centsions 828 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,439 Speaker 1: it's possible. Finally, in the news, it's a good little 829 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 1: newsy thing. Eric Roberts, we gotta slap that headline on there. 830 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: This from Front Office Sports. 831 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 5: Uh. 832 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: The NFL has demanded that the University of Houston stop 833 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: unauthorized use of the oilers trademarked love You Blue uniform. 834 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 5: Uh. 835 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: And here it is if you're watching on YouTube. It 836 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: is obviously a callback to the old Love You Blue 837 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: oilers era. Checkout Chris Westling's love You a Blue feature 838 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: he wrote years back for our site. It was excellent. Anyway, 839 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going on here. First of all, 840 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: the Gonads of the Tennessee Titans, imagine Mark and I 841 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: understand this situation was different because it was so contentious 842 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: when the Browns were taken from Cleveland that the Browns 843 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: won the right to keep all their ip so the 844 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: Ravens could never do something like have a throwback in 845 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: Baltimore wearing Brown's orange, which is confusing, but that's the 846 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: way it is there, so that couldn't happen. But the 847 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: idea that you would ever want to do that, I mean, 848 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 1: I'm watching the only thing I didn't like about Will 849 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 1: Levis's debut is that he's wearing the uniform of a 850 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 1: team that was ripped from a city. And that is 851 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: a salty reality for Houston football fans that now have 852 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: the Texans but missed the Oilers and those beautiful get ups. 853 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: So we got two things, two levels bothering me. One 854 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 1: that that happened at all, and you should, if you should, 855 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: have the good sense if you leave a city behind 856 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 1: and all their fans not to antagonize them from a 857 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,720 Speaker 1: thousand miles away. And two, now the NFL is saying 858 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: to this this Houston area that still has a lot 859 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: of pride about those old Oilers teams that you don't 860 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: even get to call back to that for your local college. 861 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 3: Just come on, guys, can we just clean up the 862 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 3: entire operation? 863 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: End of rant? 864 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like for me, the levels of absurdity up top 865 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 3: are trying to go at the University of Houston in 866 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 3: regards to a uniform that was attached to a team 867 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 3: that the NFL did very little to prevent from moving. 868 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 3: The whole thing went down in a way where it 869 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 3: was a little bit different than Cleveland. If it was 870 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 3: sort of a wet fart. It happened a year after 871 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 3: the Browns were pulled to Baltimore, and the Houston civic 872 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,319 Speaker 3: uproar was not the same. But this next level of 873 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 3: absurdity is the Titans doing that. The only thing that 874 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 3: I'm torn about is that, you know, we have our 875 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 3: childhood football worlds and those old type, those old Oilers 876 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 3: uniforms were wonderful to watch, so I kind of love 877 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 3: seeing it in them in action, but the way that 878 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 3: it came to us is problematic. 879 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 1: Agreed. 880 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 2: Also, this is picking a knit here, but those uniforms 881 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 2: look quite a bit like the well regarded, well reviewed 882 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 2: two lane University blue unis. They broke out a little 883 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 2: bit in former aac rival two lane, so they're trying 884 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 2: to copy two lanes, nice clean unis. But let let 885 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 2: Houston wear I'm with you, good. 886 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: Rant, all right? That was insane. That was an insane 887 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,720 Speaker 1: little addendum there, Greg, top. 888 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 2: Twenty five team. Baby, you know, let's enjoy it while 889 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 2: we can here. 890 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 1: All right, there's what's happening in the news. Yes, so 891 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: we needed to jump in obviously, so much to get 892 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:04,439 Speaker 1: to including a breaking new whose trade Leonard Williams fortifying 893 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: that front seven in Seattle and the Giants looking ahead 894 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four and beyond. We'll be back later 895 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: tonight with a recap of Monday Night football, a matchup 896 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: between Mark. 897 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 3: The Raiders and the Lions of Detroit. 898 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 1: There you go, so make sure you check that out. 899 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: And that's it for now. All right, we all have 900 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: to head into the studio. Now we've got to do 901 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,359 Speaker 1: an NFL Plus recording. They're getting their money's worth here. 902 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 1: Heed the call.