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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from housetop works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, looking to stuff blow your mind. My

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Speaker 1: name is Robert Lamb, I'm Christian Seger, and I'm Joe McCormick.

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Speaker 1: And it's Thanksgiving in America. So we're doing what a

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Speaker 1: lot of you guys and gals are doing. We're about

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Speaker 1: to sit down here to a little, a little little

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving dinner. Yeah, Ernie the mailbot has actually offered to

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Speaker 1: prepare Thanksgiving dinner for us. But I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you guys noticed. He seems a little hung up at

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Speaker 1: the turkey carving stage, Like he goes to carve and

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Speaker 1: then he stops and resets a bunch of times. I

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Speaker 1: think it maybe he's still struggling with the recent installation

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Speaker 1: of Cartesian doubt that makes me pause when cutting up

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Speaker 1: a bird. Yeah, is the turkey there? Whether it's kind turkey, goose, sparrow.

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Speaker 1: I can just keep naming birds, guys, Yeah, penguin. Have

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Speaker 1: you oll ever eaten penguin meat? Me? Neither? Future episode? Well,

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Speaker 1: let's let's call Carney in here. Hell, we can't wait

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Speaker 1: for him to cut into that bird all all day long,

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Speaker 1: So get in here. Carney and bring us some listener

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Speaker 1: to mail, because we know it's been accumulating. That's your

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Speaker 1: your primary function is to provide the listener mail for us.

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Speaker 1: So let's see what we got. So, as we have discovered,

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Speaker 1: Carney has collected an amazing, gigantic treasure trove of wonderful

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Speaker 1: email from our listeners. And we have so much great

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Speaker 1: listener mail we absolutely cannot read it all today. We

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Speaker 1: can't even come close. So we're gonna read a selection

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Speaker 1: of some of the great messages we've gotten from our listeners.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to be everything. If your email doesn't

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Speaker 1: get read, please don't take it personally. We love all

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Speaker 1: the correspondence we get and we will try to work

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Speaker 1: it into a future episode. We will probably have another

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Speaker 1: one coming up around uh around the end of the

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Speaker 1: year on Christmas, New Year's That that that kind of season.

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Speaker 1: Hey Joe, where where did these come from? Like? Where

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Speaker 1: where do these letters come from? Where do we where

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Speaker 1: do we get them at? Ah? Well, I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: should ask Christian because they come straight to the account.

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Speaker 1: Blow the mind at how stuff works dot com. When

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Speaker 1: you email that account funny story, it goes straight into

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Speaker 1: a wire that runs into Carney's head and that's how

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Speaker 1: he collects the messages. Unfortunately for us, the wire is

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Speaker 1: often at like human neck height, so when we're walking

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Speaker 1: around the office we can often kind of get our

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Speaker 1: throats lined once or twice. And you know there's another

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Speaker 1: wire two that runs in all of our feeds from Facebook, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: and Tumbler, where we are also blow the mind. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh so this one actually comes to us from the

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Speaker 1: mail account, the clothesline wire. This is from Hannah, and

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Speaker 1: she says, I'm an undergrad psychology major, a low key

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Speaker 1: That stuff makes me anxious. I recently took a cultural

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Speaker 1: anthropology course titled Magic, Witchcraft, and Religion. That sounds right

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Speaker 1: up our alley, and one of the documentaries we watched

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Speaker 1: role the disorder played in giving birth to the nascent

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Speaker 1: field of nero theology. Now I have to wonder if

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Speaker 1: it's referring to. That sun temporal lobe epilepsy is exactly

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Speaker 1: makes this condition even more interesting than other forms of epilepsy,

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Speaker 1: which are also all very unfortunate for the sufferers, is

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Speaker 1: the tendency for patients to report religious type hallucinations during

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Speaker 1: their seizures. This experience has been reported by both religious

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Speaker 1: and fervently atheistic patients. She's got another paragraph here. Many

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Speaker 1: historical figures who were prominent in religion, such as Joan

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Speaker 1: the head precisely over her temporal lobe. Persengers God helmet,

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Speaker 1: which I believe you guys talked about in that episode.

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Speaker 1: are there are definitely things you can do to the brain.

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Speaker 1: necessarily takes. Yeah. Well, I think Hannah's proposed a potential

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a reality TV show like this, though

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Speaker 1: Carney has a message for you, Robert, and it's covered

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Speaker 1: just wrapped up your two part series on Dune, referring,

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Speaker 1: working on a comic right now that's called Injection, and

427
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Speaker 1: there's a character in that that is a cunning man

428
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Speaker 1: double soldat it. I recommend checking both of them out. Alright, Well,

429
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Speaker 1: let's call Carney over here again. It looks like he's

430
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: progressed somewhat with the turkey uh and is on too

431
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: working on the cranberries. Well, depends on if you call progress.

432
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 1: The legs are on the floor and there's a bunch

433
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Speaker 1: of turkey juice on the wall. Well, it's a difficult

434
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Speaker 1: algorithm to calibrate. Okay, Well there, yeah, we at least

435
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: have another email from from Carney here. So this is

436
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Speaker 1: an email from our listener Jack in reference to the

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Speaker 1: episode Robert and I did about the science of slot

438
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: machines and how they are perfectly designed to steal your

439
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Speaker 1: money and maybe your soul. But this is what Jack says. Hey,

440
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: first time email or a long time listener. The first

441
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: and only time I had experience with slot machines was

442
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: one day when my dad had taken me out to

443
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Speaker 1: the movies and we had about an hour to kill beforehand,

444
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Speaker 1: so he stuck me into a gaming lounge of the

445
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Speaker 1: local bar. He said he was going to teach me

446
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: a lesson about gambling and how you never win. That

447
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: is a good lesson for kids to learn. That's my comment,

448
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: not Jack's. But Jack says he started off by putting

449
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: twenty dollars into the machine. After about ten minutes, this

450
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: had been doubled by winning to forty, so we kept

451
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: on playing. After about thirty minutes, we were on over

452
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Speaker 1: one hundred dollars, so he decided to quit on a five.

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Speaker 1: He went on to tell me that this doesn't normally

454
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Speaker 1: happen and not to gamble. That's hilarious. Cheers if you

455
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Speaker 1: read this. I've been listening for about three years. Love

456
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: all the podcasts that How Stuff Works puts out. Well,

457
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Jack. But that's funny because, of course,

458
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Speaker 1: within the great numbers of people who do gamble all

459
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: around the world, part of the statistical profile of that

460
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: number is that some tiny few will come out on top.

461
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: But it's such a tiny few you can't expect to

462
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Speaker 1: be that person. What if the slot machine has life

463
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Speaker 1: lesson detection software so that if it feels a life

464
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Speaker 1: something coming on between a father and son, it pays

465
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Speaker 1: out maximum. You know what we could I would imagine

466
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: that slot machine builders could do that. Nowadays you just

467
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Speaker 1: slept on like Syria or some Google voice pick up thing.

468
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Speaker 1: It here's the fathers say, here comes a life life

469
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Speaker 1: lesson and it's like, dude, you are the algorithm. You

470
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Speaker 1: are kidding, But I am entirely serious that I think

471
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Speaker 1: it's possible that someone could design a slot machine to

472
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Speaker 1: h to essentially have a camera in it recognizes if

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Speaker 1: the person sitting in front of the slot machine is

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Speaker 1: probably a child, and if it's probably a child, then

475
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Speaker 1: it pays out at a higher rate than it normally

476
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Speaker 1: would in order to cement positive feelings and reward associations

477
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Speaker 1: within the mind of that child. Even if the slot

478
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: machine loses on that one gaming session, it'll get it

479
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Speaker 1: back for the rest of that child's life. It's like

480
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Speaker 1: dealing drugs on a playground exactly right. You get them

481
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Speaker 1: hooked when they're young. The game is the game. Yeah. Oh.

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Speaker 1: One thing I forgot to include but we should maybe

483
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Speaker 1: read at some point is what we did get a

484
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: comment on on our slot machines episode from somebody who

485
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: works in designing slot machines, and he he said that

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Speaker 1: he liked our episode, but that we were unnecessarily harsh

487
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: about about slot machines, so that we were too hard

488
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Speaker 1: on them. I don't know, were we too hard on them? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know, I could see where one might have that

490
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: opinion coming from the sort of the you know, from

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Speaker 1: the from the technological side of the slot machine, from

492
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Speaker 1: even the the artisan side of the slot machine, because

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00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: this is this is the individual's work, you know. But

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Speaker 1: we were we respect the work you do, for the

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Speaker 1: skill you have. Yeah, I mean the as just pure machines,

496
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: they they're phenomenal. I mean the technology involved, the way

497
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Speaker 1: that the technology hasn't really evolved just in such a

498
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Speaker 1: short amount of time. It's it's incredible. But their overall

499
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: purpose is to take money from people. Play to extinction. Yeah. Hey,

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Speaker 1: speaking of extinction, it looks like Carney has another message

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00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: for you, raw Bird, and this one smells like a

502
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: corpse alright. This one comes to us from Amy Amy

503
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: writes in and says hello. One of the way one

504
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: way of honoring remains, and she's referring to our human

505
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Speaker 1: remains episode, is having them made into jewelry. I think

506
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of a neat way to keep loved ones

507
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: quite literally with them. One company can make them into

508
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: crystals or store them in small, sealed locket like containers.

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Speaker 1: My friend had a Jewlior jeweler make a small metal

510
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Speaker 1: ball necklace containing some of her mother's ashes in it.

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Speaker 1: Uh oh. And apparently it's illegal to have your pets

512
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Speaker 1: ashes mixed with your human ashes, though I have no

513
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Speaker 1: idea how they enforce it. I also grew up around

514
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Speaker 1: a lot of church cemeteries with sunken graves and crooked tombstones.

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Speaker 1: There's a seminary in my childhood neighborhood where there were

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Speaker 1: stones from the seventeen hundreds and the Jesuits that settled

517
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Speaker 1: the area, many of which were whether to illegibility. Also,

518
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Speaker 1: there are a few European trees they brought with them,

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Speaker 1: So that's that's enter the whole the creative take the

520
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Speaker 1: ashes and processing them into some sort of precious item. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I like the jewelry idea. I've also run across. There

522
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: was a company at least a few years back. They

523
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: were pushing the idea of having your ashes used to

524
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Speaker 1: press a record vinyl record, except, of course, it would

525
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: be like some version of vinyl which ashes inside it

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Speaker 1: and the record could contain bound of view screaming yeah,

527
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: more more likely a pleasant message. Or I would think

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Speaker 1: maybe your favorite album, like because what would be better

529
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: in death than to become your favorite album. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: a mix of all those things. It's like the voyager

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Speaker 1: recording your own memorial song for your own death. Have

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Speaker 1: you if you all ever heard chriswells someone walked Over

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Speaker 1: My Grave, the amazing Chris Well. Yeah, the amazing Chris

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Speaker 1: Well from the beginning of Plan nine from Outer Space.

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Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with him, he was a guy

536
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Speaker 1: wh would go on TV and predict stuff about the

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Speaker 1: future that was always way super super wrong. But he

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00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: wore a tuxedo so people believed him. But he also

539
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: ended up in ed Woods movies. So at the he's

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of Plan nine from Outer Space going

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Speaker 1: like great things, but friends, you are interested in the future.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, he recorded a song called someone Walked Over

543
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: My Grave it's on YouTube. You should look it up.

544
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: It's just him talking over some piano music about how

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00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: someone walked over his grave and disturbed his sleep. Well,

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Speaker 1: what is that? What you'd pick? What would you pick?

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Speaker 1: If you had to pick one album, I'd make my

548
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Speaker 1: own version of that, just kind of like ominously threatening

549
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: people with hauntings if they disturbed my slumber. What if

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Speaker 1: you had to pick your favorite album you had to

551
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: become that album in death. What would you pick? Uh,

552
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: we've already established it would have to be dope thrown. Okay,

553
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a good one. I think it would

554
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Speaker 1: be like Black Flags Damaged. I would probably go with

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Speaker 1: Boards of Canada's Music has a Right to Children. I

556
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: think that's a pleasant album to become. Hey, so I've

557
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: got another message here coming out of Carney that is

558
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: also in reference to our Slot Machine episode, and this

559
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: is I think a very useful math clarification. So so

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Speaker 1: this comes from our listener Rhiannon and Rhannon says, Hi, guys,

561
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: longtime listener, love the podcast, but as someone with a

562
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: masters in mathematics specializing in probability, I had to cringe

563
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: in the most recent episode on Slot Machines in the episode,

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00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: you calculate the probability of winning on an eight picture

565
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: slot machine as one eighth times one, eight times one

566
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: eight equals one out of five d twelve. The math

567
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: is sound here, but only if there was only one

568
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: winning picture, assuming that you can match any set of

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Speaker 1: the eight pictures and win, so all three of any

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00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: one alien picture. That's referring to a specific example. I

571
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: can explain in a minute. There are actually eight ways

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00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: you can do this, So you need to multiply the

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Speaker 1: probability by the eight ways you can win, which would

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00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: be eight times one in five hundred twelve or one

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00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: out of sixty four. Uh. And so what she's referring

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Speaker 1: to is an example we had in this episode where

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00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: there's an alien slot machine. It's got three reels one

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00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: with seven crew members of the Nostromo and the alien

579
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: on it. And if you want to line them up

580
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: to win, what's your probability of winning? We said, the

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00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: probability of getting something like three three Ripley's is one

582
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: eighth times one, eight times one eight. But Rhiannon is

583
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: exactly right that if you're not looking for three Ripley's

584
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: or three Dallas is or three aliens, but any combination

585
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: of three. The first reel doesn't matter. You're just trying

586
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: to match the second two reels. So the probability is

587
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: actually one in sixty four of any match, as opposed

588
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: to one in five and twelve of a specified match.

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00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: Um and she goes on to explain that, as she says,

590
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: another way to think of it is the first picture

591
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: is irrelevant. So the probability of the first picture being

592
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: a success is eight out of eight, but the second

593
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: picture is must match the first of the probability is

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Speaker 1: one out of eight, and the same with the third picture,

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00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: And then she lays out the map again. Wait, so

596
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Speaker 1: how many people should have survived being astromo incident? Now? Can?

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Speaker 1: It's it's making me you just question everything I saw

598
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: an alien? Now? Well, you know, there are a couple

599
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: of characters who we never explicitly see die. You never

600
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: know if they survived, though the ship does kind of

601
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: explode in a nuclear vaporization events. There are two survivors, oh,

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00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: including the cat Jones. Yeah yeah, Jones is a one,

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00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: but also so Rhann and finishes by saying, thanks for

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Speaker 1: all that you do and keeping my runs interesting. I'm

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Speaker 1: a professional marathon runner hoping to make my country's Canada

606
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: Olympic standards have lots of miles to learn. Thank you

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00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: so much for that clarification, Rhian. We always really appreciate

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Speaker 1: when are incredibly smart listeners can can correct and clarify

609
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: if there's something we say that sounds fishy. So we

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate that. And also, I thought it's interesting

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Speaker 1: that you mentioned running, because I do feel like we

612
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: hear from a lot of people who listen while running.

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00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: This is a common thing. I listen to podcasts like

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00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: that sometimes. Yeah. Well I I don't run, so I

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00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: can't speak of that, but I'm glad that we're air

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Speaker 1: with people as they run. Rhiannon sounds pretty awesome, getting

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Speaker 1: a masters degree in mathematics and a professional marathon runner,

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Speaker 1: and I feel humbled. Yeah, and possibly which that's a

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Speaker 1: powerful person. Yeah. Okay, so it looks like we've got

620
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: another message here, and oh, this one has a warning

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Speaker 1: on it that we should not handle it without gloves. Okay,

622
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: about that, I I think I can guess. Let me

623
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: get my gardener's gloves on here. Okay, it says hi, guys,

624
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: I love the podcast and have been a listener for years.

625
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: I just finished the wolf Spain episode and wanted to

626
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: help with Christian's confusion about the Nazi bullet experiment. This

627
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: is one of those moments usually happens about once or

628
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: twice an episode where I posit something really stupid scientifically,

629
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: and then listener writes in and it comes up with

630
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: a good answer to it. So he says, it all

631
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: comes down to the bullet expansion. So what I was

632
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 1: talking about was whether or not you could put wolf

633
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Speaker 1: Spain inside a bullet, because Nazis were doing tests with

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00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: with Nite to see if they could weaponize it. So

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00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: he says, it all comes down to bullet expansion. A

636
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: lot of bullets are engineered with hollow points to help

637
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: them expand when they hit animals, meet legs, et cetera.

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00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: This hollow portion can carry a small amount of an

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Speaker 1: alternate substance and not substantially hurt the metals bullets metal

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Speaker 1: bullets expansion. A tricky part to this is that each

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Speaker 1: bullet has to be designed to expand when fired from

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Speaker 1: the right gun as well. A bullet designed for a

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Speaker 1: pistol won't expand well when fired from a long barreled rifle.

644
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Speaker 1: The velocity would be all wrong. This is my bet

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Speaker 1: for why the test bullets failed to expand and overpenetrated.

646
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: On a somewhat lighter note, if you rewatch Jaws now

647
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Speaker 1: you'll better understand the scene where the police chief pours

648
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Speaker 1: mercury into his hollow point bullets. Expanded discussion points include

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Speaker 1: the Geneva Conventions and ethical military bullet design. Thanks for

650
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Speaker 1: the great podcasts bonus, and yeah, because if I remember correctly,

651
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Speaker 1: it turned out that the Nazi experiments did not work.

652
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Speaker 1: It did not They were shooting people of aconite, and

653
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Speaker 1: there is no other than being shot there would with

654
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Speaker 1: no poison effects from the aconite. But in it sounds

655
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Speaker 1: like he's questioning their their methodology. All right, here's another

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Speaker 1: bit of a listener mail coming into us here from

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Speaker 1: Joyce Joyce Rights, and it says, Hi, I'm listening to

658
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Speaker 1: your Ghoule's episode and at the end of it, it's

659
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Speaker 1: about human cannibalism. My uncles grew up during World War

660
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Speaker 1: Two in China, and my parents grew up during the

661
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: Vietnam War and food was extremely scarce. They remember seeing

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Speaker 1: people eat dead babies to survive in order to get

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Speaker 1: around the emotional attachment to the dead child. The people

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Speaker 1: ate each other's babies, So I guess it isn't ancient

665
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Speaker 1: history or morally wrong given some culture circumstances. War stories

666
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Speaker 1: they tell me growing up make me very glad and

667
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Speaker 1: thankful for the semi peaceful times we live in now,

668
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: keep up the good work. Loved the Sane Insane episode.

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Speaker 1: Referring to the rose, and Han asked, Uh, this is

670
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: a great point that Joyce brings up. Certainly, we we

671
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Speaker 1: got into human cannibalism as the taboo on nonviolent cannibalism, right,

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Speaker 1: why Like we know, it's obvious why there would be

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Speaker 1: a taboo on killing people should eat them. But if

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Speaker 1: somebody is already dead, why do we have a taboo

675
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Speaker 1: against eating their flesh if it's not going to hurt them,

676
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Speaker 1: like the alive scenario. Yeah, survival cannibalism, which is an

677
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Speaker 1: important part of any discussion of human cannibalism history because

678
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Speaker 1: that's where you see it pop up. This choice you

679
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Speaker 1: have to make, well, what what do I do to survive?

680
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Speaker 1: What am I willing to do to survive? And uh, yeah,

681
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Speaker 1: I mean if the circumstance. My opinion on this is, yeah,

682
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Speaker 1: if you're in circumstances where survival kind of cannibalism is

683
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Speaker 1: the only way to survive. Somehome's you gotta do what

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Speaker 1: you gotta do. Yeah. So here, Joyce says, one of

685
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Speaker 1: the things is that they got around I think some

686
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Speaker 1: of the the emotional distress caused by the violation of

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Speaker 1: this taboo by eating each other's dead children or babies

688
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Speaker 1: instead of their own. So they I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: that could help put some kind of distance between you

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Speaker 1: and uh, the horror of it. I guess. I mean

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Speaker 1: there's the again to her point, I mean, thank god

692
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Speaker 1: that that you know, we don't live we're not living

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Speaker 1: currently in time, so dire that we have to make

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Speaker 1: that kind of choice and figure out how to compartmentalize it,

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Speaker 1: uh and and make it work for our survival. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of the expeditions that went through the

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Speaker 1: Northwest Passage in the nineteenth century, because a lot of

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Speaker 1: those ships went missing, especially the Franklin Expedition is really

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Speaker 1: famous for it. Uh. And they believe that not only

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Speaker 1: did the ships think and go missing, in fact, they

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Speaker 1: recently have found evidence of Franklin ships, but that there

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Speaker 1: was cannibalism that went on and it was not survival cannibalism.

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Speaker 1: The bones that they have found of some of the

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Speaker 1: sailors had marked indentations on their bones of cutting. All right,

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Speaker 1: So we got another one coming out of the machine

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Speaker 1: here and it's blowing. It's really I don't know, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of far away. I don't know if I can

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Speaker 1: reach it, but I think it's for you, Joe. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is from our listener Eric, who is responding to

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Speaker 1: the episode Robert and I did in our Halloween season

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Speaker 1: about Will of the Wisp, the glowing light in the

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Speaker 1: bog and uh and what is it. One of the

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Speaker 1: things we talked about in the episode is the fact

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Speaker 1: that Will of the Whisp sidings seem to have sharply

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Speaker 1: dropped off in the past hundred years or so. People

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Speaker 1: used to report these all the time. Writers from the

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Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds and before talk about it as if it's

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Speaker 1: extremely common, something people would just be familiar with in

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Speaker 1: their day to day lives, and they'd be very likely

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Speaker 1: to have seen it. I've never seen a Will of

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Speaker 1: the Whisp, and it seems like most people haven't. So

722
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Speaker 1: and I wasn't on the episode, but I told you

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Speaker 1: guys off air that the only reason I knew what

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Speaker 1: it was was because there was a spider man villain

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Speaker 1: called Willow the Whisp that appeared in the eighties comic

726
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: I read, well, apparently a lot of people are familiar

727
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: with it from D and D. So oh yeah, it's

728
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Speaker 1: another friends point we talked about in the episode. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: we as scar listeners, Hey, have you ever seen the

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Speaker 1: Will of the Wisp phenomena? And if you have, ride

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Speaker 1: us and tell us and so. A couple of people did.

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Speaker 1: One of them was Eric, who wrote us this very

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Speaker 1: interesting story. Eric says, hey, gentlemen, you ask for anyone

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Speaker 1: who's seen the elusive Will of the Wisp. I have

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Speaker 1: had an experience with such an entity. I live in

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Speaker 1: upstate New York, Nango County, Chenango, Chenango County. I love

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Speaker 1: to hike on the Mini Finger Lake trails, or any

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Speaker 1: trail that spreads across the woods. The area of land

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Speaker 1: behind where I grew up had several pond marshy areas

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Speaker 1: connected by a series of streams, generally just a wet place,

741
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Speaker 1: no bog or swamp. Though at the age of fourteen,

742
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: eight years back or so, I was several miles from

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Speaker 1: home when darkness fell. I know all the woods there

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Speaker 1: pretty well for my copious times wandering through them. It's

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Speaker 1: also hard to get lost. If you walk in any

746
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Speaker 1: direction for a little while, you will find a road,

747
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Speaker 1: not a vast wilderness, for sure. I was casually walking

748
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Speaker 1: on a trail back with the moon is the only light,

749
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Speaker 1: when off to my right, about three hundred feet into

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Speaker 1: the woods, I see a bobbing, whitish blue light. I walked,

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Speaker 1: keeping an eye on it, thinking if there were any

752
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Speaker 1: houses out that way. There were not. Not only that,

753
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Speaker 1: but it seemed to be moving parallel to me. This

754
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: is an awesome, creepy pasta. Yeah, I thought to myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm not starving or near a dehydration. I'm not delirious

756
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Speaker 1: or mad. But I had a profound skeptical curiosity in

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Speaker 1: the supernatural. I thought it might be a ghost. My

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00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: neighbor liked to tell ghost stories about people getting lost

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Speaker 1: in the woods by following a large white buck during

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Speaker 1: deer season, or a girl in distress that they could

761
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Speaker 1: never seem to find. I think he just liked to

762
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: scare me. I liked it at the buck. That sounds

763
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: like a more recent take on the same troupe anyways,

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Speaker 1: I followed it off the trail, taking note of where

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00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: I was. I followed it, never seeming to be able

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Speaker 1: to get closer than a hundred feet or so from it.

767
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Speaker 1: But it looked like a dim blue flame, bobbing and

768
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Speaker 1: swaying in the dark, dancing around trees, egging me on

769
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Speaker 1: to follow it. Prevaricating my worst thoughts, I kept following

770
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: it meandered through the woods. I had to walk over

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Speaker 1: many little streams and around wet areas where it became

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Speaker 1: hard to pass through. This went on for about an

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Speaker 1: hour before I lost sight of it. I walked to

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Speaker 1: where it last was, and it was the edge of

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Speaker 1: one of the old farmer's fields. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of old fields that are not near any roads or anything,

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00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: just isolated in the woods. I saw the bobbing light

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Speaker 1: on the other side of the field. I knew exactly

779
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Speaker 1: where I was and had had enough and decided to

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Speaker 1: walk home. The road was only a little less than

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00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: a mile from where I was. I followed the edge

782
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Speaker 1: of the field to a path at one of the

783
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: corners in The light followed me, but at some point

784
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Speaker 1: during this time it split off into three smaller bobbing lights.

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00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: They never went too far from each other. One would

786
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: get ahead and the others would quickly catch up. But

787
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: they went parallel to me till I got to the

788
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: path and I couldn't see them in the woods anymore.

789
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: But I glanced back and saw them at the end

790
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: of the path after I walked a little ways in.

791
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: At this point, I began to walk fast, getting more

792
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 1: and more unnerved. They never seemed to catch up. Even

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Speaker 1: after I started to run and ran out of breath

794
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: and stopped to grab my breath, they didn't seem to

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Speaker 1: get any closer, even though I wasn't moving. A few

796
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: minutes later, I got to the road, I turned to

797
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: see if they were still following me. I could still

798
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: see them, but way farther off than they had been

799
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: the entire time. I watched them fade back into the

800
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: woods behind the trees and brush. I walked back home,

801
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: haunted by what I saw. I never told many people

802
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: about that, because it obviously sounds crazy. I researched it

803
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: and came across the term Will of the Whisp in

804
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: later weeks, but had never seen anything saying there were

805
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: any sightings in the area. I never saw them again though,

806
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: despite many night hikes since then. Well, I thought you

807
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: guys would enjoy one of my more horrifying memories from

808
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: my confusing, anks filled adolescent battling with the existential dread

809
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: of wondering about life after death and other planes of existence. Anyway,

810
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Speaker 1: you guys are the best. I enjoy listening to you

811
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: another house Stepp Works podcast. You feed the nerd in me.

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00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: Uh Ps, Robert, you have inspired me to grow sideburns

813
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: the way they elegantly compliment your face. I hope I

814
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: can pull them off half as well as you do.

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Speaker 1: Always will be listening here here Robert has excellent sideburn

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Speaker 1: he does always jealous. Thank you so much for the story, Eric,

817
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Speaker 1: This was great. I I don't know, I I'm envious

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00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: of this. I mean, I know it sounds like it

819
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: was scary at the time. I wish I could see

820
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: a will of the wisp and why aren't there stories

821
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: like this all over? So? I gotta say, like just

822
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: the way that he wrote this like it was I

823
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: was joking about the creepypasta thing, but there was a

824
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: haunting way that this was written. It reminded me of

825
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: like a layered barren story or one of those old

826
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: Algernon Blackwood stories story. Uh yeah, that's creepy. So Eric,

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Speaker 1: I'd be interested to hear what you think it was,

828
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: having actually seen it. You if you listen to our episode,

829
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Speaker 1: we talked about the different hypotheses about what could be

830
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: causing the will of the whist, but the fact that

831
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Speaker 1: there's really a lot of difficulty in deciding what it

832
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: is because we can't like catch one and look at

833
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: it in the lab and examine it. You're just trying

834
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: to match explanations to written descriptions of phenomena. Alright, looks

835
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: like Carney is handing me another listener mail, only he's

836
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: handing this one to me with what appears to be

837
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Speaker 1: a cadaver arm with the strength attached to it. I

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00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: think I know what this might be about. This must

839
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: be in reference to our fist punch theory of evolution.

840
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: Episode deals with the work of David Carrier and his

841
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: research team into how the human fist might have evolved

842
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: to punch other humans in the face. Um, which is

843
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: a fascinating theory explored in that in that episode, And

844
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Speaker 1: hey is it turns out this bit of email comes

845
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: to us from David Carrier himself. Wow, that's flattering. I'm

846
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: flattered that he listened to the episode. But then what

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00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: seems to be written here is also go ahead and

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Speaker 1: read it's this comes to m from again from David Carrier, Professor,

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Speaker 1: Department of Biology, University of Utah. Hi, Robert and Christian,

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00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: Thanks very much for the thoughtful and entertaining podcast and

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Speaker 1: video you did on our recent article. Your podcast provides

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00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: the best discussion of our work that I know of.

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Speaker 1: Best wishes Dave, Wow, that really we love hearing from

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Speaker 1: the scientists who actually create the work that we reference

855
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Speaker 1: in our episodes. Every now and then we do. I know,

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Speaker 1: we we heard from the person behind the echo Borg

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Speaker 1: study when we did the echo Borg episode, and this

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Speaker 1: one too, and that is I'd say it's one of

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Speaker 1: the most rewarding feelings is when I don't know, as

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Speaker 1: a as a science communicator, I at least often have

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Speaker 1: the feeling of I really hope I'm representing this well

862
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Speaker 1: and everything, and just having the person who actually did

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Speaker 1: the work get in touch with you and let you

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Speaker 1: know that, in one way or another you didn't completely

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Speaker 1: screw it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it feels like our least,

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Speaker 1: if nothing else I was, I was accurate, and I

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Speaker 1: was able to convey the the truth of the study.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and this reminds me. Actually, we did receive

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Speaker 1: a few messages, both as emails and through Facebook from

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Speaker 1: listeners who have martial arts backgrounds, and they were adding

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Speaker 1: in that they questioned the relevancy of the fist as

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Speaker 1: the way that our hands would evolve for the best

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Speaker 1: potential way to hit somebody in the face, because apparently

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Speaker 1: the palm strike is known as a much better way

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Speaker 1: to do so without hurting your own hand. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this, but we heard from

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Speaker 1: several people about it, So I don't wanna inherently criticize

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Speaker 1: people who say that they may entirely be right. But

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Speaker 1: that also sounds a little bit like it could be

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Speaker 1: bro science. Well it might be. We talked extensively about

881
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Speaker 1: bro science in that episode you came up. I mentioned

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Speaker 1: your your disdain for bro science. Well, I mean bro sciences,

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Speaker 1: bro science. Well, you know, we may just have to

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Speaker 1: have Professor carry Will talk to us sometime. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe his next thing could be about palm strikes.

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Speaker 1: Who knows, He's He's produced several different studies. He's read

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Speaker 1: like at least four or five for that episode. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: Now I want to be clear about that. I'm not

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Speaker 1: criticizing doctor carriers stuff, because if it's real science, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't call it bro science. You've got good, good methodology

891
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Speaker 1: and empirical verification. I don't consider that bro science. Bro

892
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Speaker 1: science is Oh man, you're doing your protein stack all wrong.

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Speaker 1: All right, it looks like we have one final bit

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Speaker 1: of listener mail here, and this one again is is

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Speaker 1: wrapped in a membrane of some sort. All right, let

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Speaker 1: me see if I can chew it off. I think

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Speaker 1: this is actually a website comment, and hopefully on our

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Speaker 1: next listener mail episode we can get into a few

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Speaker 1: more of the great comments that have been left on

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Speaker 1: our yeah web. It's harder for us to keep track

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Speaker 1: of those sometimes because we don't get it. It doesn't

902
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Speaker 1: paying us when those go up. We have to go

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Speaker 1: back and and if you're if you're unfamiliar with what

904
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Speaker 1: we're talking about, on the landing page at stuff to

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Speaker 1: Blow your Mind dot com for the page where each

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00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: episode is embedded, there's a comment section at the bottom there,

907
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Speaker 1: and I believe it posts to your personal Facebook, but

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Speaker 1: we don't necessarily see it because it doesn't go directly

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Speaker 1: to the stuff to blow your d This means a

910
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Speaker 1: little tweaking, but we still try and go back and

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Speaker 1: read them. So by all means, UH, feel free to

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Speaker 1: interact with us there. This was a particularly good one

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Speaker 1: about the birth Call episode. It's from Jenna and she says,

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Speaker 1: I'm a student midwife in Wagga Wagga, New South Wales, Australia.

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Speaker 1: I feel extremely lucky that my first ever solo birth

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Speaker 1: two weeks ago was an on call birth. I'd like

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Speaker 1: to share my experience. As the baby was exiting the

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Speaker 1: birth canal, we could feel that the omniotic amniotic sac

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Speaker 1: membrane was still intact. As you mentioned, normally the amniotic

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Speaker 1: sack will burst. However, as the baby was born, I

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Speaker 1: very briefly held it within the amniotic sack like a

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Speaker 1: baby in a big water balloon. It was a thin,

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Speaker 1: opaque membrane, very full of baby and amniotic fluid. I

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Speaker 1: pierced the amniotic sack with my hands and remove the

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Speaker 1: membrane from the baby. Both mother and baby are doing fine.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your brilliant podcast. As always, so as we

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Speaker 1: talked about in the episode, It's exceedingly rare to be

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Speaker 1: born with a birth call, but it's even more rare

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Speaker 1: to be born on call, which is your the amniotic

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Speaker 1: sack is completely intact and hasn't ripped or broken at all.

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Speaker 1: Uh this and and and you know, as we've talked

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Speaker 1: about earlier, there are a lot of myths about such

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Speaker 1: babies and the powers that they may hold. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: hope that this baby is imbued with vast and powerful ability.

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Speaker 1: What I want to know, Jenna, is what did you

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Speaker 1: do with the sack afterwards? Because that also holds power.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can, as we talked about in the episode,

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Speaker 1: you can bury it in the yard behind the house,

939
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Speaker 1: or you can sell it to a sailor for good luck,

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Speaker 1: can keep you from drowning. There's so many things that

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Speaker 1: that these uh, these birth calls can do. But but

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Speaker 1: to have an entire sack, that's that's useful. Wait wait,

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Speaker 1: I can I assume you're meaning like according to legend?

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Speaker 1: Are you saying they're like also scientific things that there's

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Speaker 1: just a lot of legends about birth calls. Yeah, lots

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Speaker 1: of legends about different variations depending on the color, depending

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Speaker 1: on how big they are, whatever of the various effects

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Speaker 1: they can have. Yeah, I think the only issue we

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Speaker 1: ran into is that we we wished we could have

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Speaker 1: found more stories from Asia and Africa. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: the thing. A lot of the legends were mostly European based.

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Speaker 1: Uh it Actually Jenna's in Australia, So I wonder what

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, legends may have risen up around

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Speaker 1: birth calls there. Oh yeah, yeah, but thanks for writing

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Speaker 1: in it. Just that sounds like a thing that you

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Speaker 1: would be in awe of. I know people talk about

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Speaker 1: babies being born like that anyways, but like it coming

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Speaker 1: out in the membrane like that would just be like whoa, yeah, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: Like I think Carney's bringing out our meal. Oh but

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Speaker 1: there's even a little toe furky for me. But it's

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Speaker 1: the birth call. Yeah, it looks like there's some there's

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Speaker 1: some sand in the center of the Turkey cadaver, and

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Speaker 1: there are some corpse jewelry mixed in stuffing. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of rough, Carney, But I mean, what what else can

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Speaker 1: you do? I mean, it's it's way your programs. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess we better dig in guys. Okay, so if

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Speaker 1: you want to send more information to us, what maybe

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Speaker 1: you want to respond to some of these, or maybe

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Speaker 1: you want to respond to some of the other episodes. Well,

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Speaker 1: you can write us at blow the Mind at how

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Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. For more, almost and thousands of

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