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Speaker 1: Hey rain Drops. On the SAME's episode of Reality King,
Speaker 1: we have to discuss the end of an error, not
Speaker 1: the end of an era, my sweet darlings.
Speaker 2: It's the end of an error, because I'm not sure
Speaker 2: why we did not get a reunion like that Off
Speaker 2: the World special was.
Speaker 1: Not off the chain.
Speaker 2: It was office Rocker and I want to like hop
Speaker 2: off of this train that I was on watching that
Speaker 2: one hour. But I have a special guest because I
Speaker 2: could not do this episode alone because we have to
Speaker 2: debate like the new cast for next season, and I
Speaker 2: want somebody who I know is going to disagree with
Speaker 2: me and have his own opinion.
Speaker 1: We're gonna beak for a great conversation.
Speaker 2: So give it up for the lovely entertainment journalist reporter.
Speaker 2: In addition to podcast host Gibson.
Speaker 3: John's Carlos always a pleasure you on my show. I
Speaker 3: was on your show before that. We're just kind of
Speaker 3: we're going back and forth, and I like, again, we
Speaker 3: do disagree with one another a good amount, but it's
Speaker 3: a cordial disagreement and that's what we love.
Speaker 2: So absolutely absolutely, it's very cordial, which is how things
Speaker 2: should be. So let's get right into it. That Off
Speaker 2: the Rail special was a waste of my time. I'm
Speaker 2: just listen. My audience knows. I keep it straight, no chaser.
Speaker 2: It was a waste of time. I do not understand
Speaker 2: for the life of me why there could not be
Speaker 2: a reunion because the finale, to me, by the way,
Speaker 2: one of the most epic finales Jersey had so but
Speaker 2: it wasn't that bad to where I felt like the
Speaker 2: cast could not address each other and even if they
Speaker 2: just don't ever be friends again. I felt like we
Speaker 2: were robbed of not having what could have been essentially
Speaker 2: gibson a ratings the epic reunion that could have matched
Speaker 2: last season's epic three part reunion, which I like to
Speaker 2: call it was the Teresa Versus Melissa show, and I
Speaker 2: was here for it.
Speaker 1: But let me hear from you. What did you think
Speaker 1: about the Off the Rails special.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had kept on saying, you know, the
Speaker 3: audience will see, they'll understand why we couldn't do reunion.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that has fully connected. I have
Speaker 3: to say, and you know, let's just say we're accepting
Speaker 3: the fact we got this Off the Rails reunion. It's
Speaker 3: a watch party whatever. Even it was just too unstructured
Speaker 3: for me. If it felt like people people have been comparent,
Speaker 3: like for the people's couch, and that's kind of what
Speaker 3: it was like, like an all star episode of that.
Speaker 3: I just felt like, if we're gonna keep them in
Speaker 3: separate rooms, I guess that was just sort of the
Speaker 3: m like they can't be in the physically in the
Speaker 3: same space, at least have a producer in there who's
Speaker 3: prodding them with questions and kind of you know, instigating
Speaker 3: the conversation. There were more like there were still things
Speaker 3: that are left on the table in that regard to
Speaker 3: so it just kind of felt like if we're not
Speaker 3: even gonna do that, Like nobody really wanted to like
Speaker 3: relive the finale, the just that be it, and that's
Speaker 3: kind of other than a couple of moments I found interesting,
Speaker 3: that was kind of what we got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could not agree more.
Speaker 2: I just felt like, honey, I could go on YouTube
Speaker 2: and watch people rewatch the reunion. I don't want to
Speaker 2: see my girls getting dalled up. They all look gorgeous.
Speaker 2: All of them looked beautiful. I love the looks too.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't need to see a watch.
Speaker 2: Party, Like I can go over my gaze house and
Speaker 2: and and and watch it with them over and over again,
Speaker 2: which is what I do, And it would have been
Speaker 2: more satisfying than seeing my girls have to watch a
Speaker 2: plasma screen from office depot in a restaurant where they
Speaker 2: want us upstairs the others down downstairs. So for me,
Speaker 2: I was like, this entire season was about the vision
Speaker 2: and the last thing I wanted was to see a
Speaker 2: continuation of divide I felt like the only thing that us,
Speaker 2: the audience wanted, was like, Okay, let's have them all
Speaker 2: in the same room. Let's have them all address each other,
Speaker 2: Let's have them all talk about where things went wrong,
Speaker 2: and then see at least a satisfying finale of some
Speaker 2: sorts of Like, you know what, I least like the
Speaker 2: fact that I saw you girls address each other for
Speaker 2: the last time, and I wish you all best in
Speaker 2: your future endeavors, which is what I've said to all
Speaker 2: my ex boyfriends.
Speaker 1: So gibsid like, yeah, what what are we doing it?
Speaker 3: It's also just like you think back to past moments
Speaker 3: when people have shown up to reunions that would have
Speaker 3: been that revery difficult to show up too, Like even
Speaker 3: just last year, Ariano Maatic showing up to that reunion
Speaker 3: and facing off with rock Hell and Tom like that
Speaker 3: was fucking hard for her to do, and she did
Speaker 3: it and we got a fantastic reunion out of that.
Speaker 3: Nobody came to blows, nobody whatever, And like, I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's Do you think it was like them
Speaker 3: being scared of the things were going to get physical again?
Speaker 3: Do you think it was just like they were throwing
Speaker 3: in the towel, there was going to be no resolution,
Speaker 3: Like I don't fully understand that. I don't fully understand
Speaker 3: the reasoning still because I don't know, And it wasn't
Speaker 3: just about Teresa Melissa. There were so many other dynamics
Speaker 3: that I wanted resolution on. I wanted I wanted Jackie
Speaker 3: and Teresa talk out, like, you know, Jackie reacting Teresa
Speaker 3: saying that she was initially using her to get intel
Speaker 3: on March. I wanted Delores and Margaret to really hash
Speaker 3: out watching that fight back and what they were saying
Speaker 3: in the confessionals about that fight. I wanted to see obviously,
Speaker 3: I wanted to see Jen and Danielle still still kind
Speaker 3: of chat through some of that stuff, Like there's a
Speaker 3: lot there. It's more than just this family fight. It's
Speaker 3: way this season gave us a lot more in terms
Speaker 3: of the different dynamics than the group, and now we're
Speaker 3: just sort of like left shrugging and thinking they'll just
Speaker 3: none of them will ever repair anything. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think the reason why this special happened
Speaker 2: is because we all know where we were when OJ
Speaker 2: drove the White Bronco.
Speaker 1: We all know where we were.
Speaker 2: Okay, like there's Mama's in history that would be like,
Speaker 2: you know, American history books.
Speaker 1: The other thing in American history books is.
Speaker 2: We all know where we were when Beyonce dropped a
Speaker 2: surprise album, you know, and we all know where we
Speaker 2: were when Ashley LaRita pulled pulled Daniel's hair at the
Speaker 2: country club and right right.
Speaker 3: Up there with the Bronco and Beyonce's surprise album exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, ladies, gentlemen day Officeport and Center
Speaker 2: as Ashley put Daniel's hair. Okay, so we also know
Speaker 2: where we were when we learned that the Real House
Speaker 2: washs New Jersey, we're not going to have a traditional reunion.
Speaker 1: And at that time, it may have.
Speaker 2: Been maybe five episodes that aired, so we already knew
Speaker 2: that this season was divide. I believe that the network,
Speaker 2: so you know, probably felt that the show is showing
Speaker 2: that they don't like each other. On top of that,
Speaker 2: it was a lot of mess happening on social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I.
Speaker 2: Want to say either three to five business days before
Speaker 2: they announced that it was not going to be a
Speaker 2: traditional reunion. It's when it was revealed that Jennifer Aiden
Speaker 2: allegedly was giving bloggers screening some episodes and having a
Speaker 2: relationship with them where she allegedly was feeding them information
Speaker 2: to blog against her opponents. So I think all of
Speaker 2: that was like, you know what, this is getting very dark.
Speaker 2: To your point, Gibson, you have to talk about it
Speaker 2: and address it. Although Andy did ask Jennifer Aiden those
Speaker 2: questions on Watch What Happens Live, and I thought she
Speaker 2: did a good job dancing around, I'm sorry, I thought
Speaker 2: she did a good job answering the question.
Speaker 3: I don't think. I thought. I thought that she had
Speaker 3: time to repair for that question and she knew she
Speaker 3: was going to get that question, and I don't I
Speaker 3: don't think she actually answered it very well at all.
Speaker 2: Personally, I was joking Gifts, That's why I said, dancing around.
Speaker 3: First, I agree with you, I'm gladly I was like,
Speaker 3: I was gonna need to explain.
Speaker 2: That no, no, no, yeah, I was a big silly no.
Speaker 2: It was obvious, yeah, mistic and I loved you it,
Speaker 2: But it was obvious she had enough time to prepare
Speaker 2: for an answer. So I do think those were the
Speaker 2: reasons why it happened. But still I just felt like, honest,
Speaker 2: what they want, we don't give a shit about that.
Speaker 1: We want to see a reunion.
Speaker 2: So my question for you is this, they're watching the reunion,
Speaker 2: Jim Fessler comes in, and she doesn't embrace Danielle immediately
Speaker 2: or at all for that matter, till until you know,
Speaker 2: towards the end, and then Danielle pretty much tells Jen
Speaker 2: Fessler that, look, now that you saw the whole season,
Speaker 2: you were riding for Jennifer Aiden, your team Jennifer Aiden,
Speaker 2: and Fessler was very defensive.
Speaker 1: Like, what are you doing? I just walked in, you
Speaker 1: have all this energy.
Speaker 2: They ultimately made a mind because Jim Fesler said, look,
Speaker 2: after watching the season, I was wrong. I should have
Speaker 2: been on your side, not Jance. I'm sorry, and they
Speaker 2: made up.
Speaker 1: Do you think Jim Fesler was trying to get on
Speaker 1: the right team in her mind because I thought she
Speaker 1: was similar to Dolores in the sense of playing in Switzerland,
Speaker 1: and I was surprised that she did not even want
Speaker 1: to go into the other room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say I was. I'm been a little
Speaker 3: bit disappointed by Jenfesto. The last two episode of this
Speaker 3: season one her walking out of that brunch that she
Speaker 3: helped organize with Dolores. She walked out. I thought way
Speaker 3: too prematurely. I understand in real life, if somebody's in
Speaker 3: a glass, yeah, you'd probably leave lunch, But on a
Speaker 3: house live show to bow out at that moment, at
Speaker 3: that juncture, felt like she, as Delora said, maybe she's
Speaker 3: not built for this. Because I at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the season, Carlos, I was like, so on the Fessler
Speaker 3: friend of to Full Time Train, I was like, Fessler
Speaker 3: is so watchable, she can play both sides whatever. But
Speaker 3: at the end of the season, she's kind of dropped
Speaker 3: the ball and kind of shown that she's more conflict
Speaker 3: avoidant than kind of addressing and kind of willing to
Speaker 3: address conflict head on like this. So it's like the
Speaker 3: fact that she because she also said that one of
Speaker 3: the reasons why she hasn't spoken to the Teresa Gen
Speaker 3: it's because she saw all the screenshots that were floating
Speaker 3: around of them allegedly talking to bloggers, and that to
Speaker 3: a point of her, she saw it in black and white,
Speaker 3: and she didn't want to ask any questions. But why
Speaker 3: did she not want to ask any questions? You know,
Speaker 3: why didn't she confront them about it? Why didn't she
Speaker 3: ask them about it? That's another thing we could have
Speaker 3: seen on this watch party. Send gen Fessler downstairs and
Speaker 3: have her ask about the screenshots, or have them talk
Speaker 3: about the reason why they haven't spoken for five months
Speaker 3: or however long it's been. So I didn't love that either,
Speaker 3: and I was surprised by it.
Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I listen. I think Jenfesler is a
Speaker 2: beautiful woman inside and out.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, And that's where it is for me.
Speaker 3: Got it.
Speaker 2: I would not cast a Jenfessler for any of my shows.
Speaker 3: It is it for that reason? Or what else do
Speaker 3: you see in her that you don't know?
Speaker 1: What it is? Is this?
Speaker 2: When you decide to get on reality television, you're signing
Speaker 2: up to really have tough conversations when things present itself.
Speaker 2: That is tough, right. It's all about the intention. And
Speaker 2: she's not a bad person, so let's make that very clear.
Speaker 2: She's a beautiful woman. I don't think she has what
Speaker 2: it takes to be on a reality show, let alone
Speaker 2: The Real Housewives of New Jersey. Yeah, yeah, like yeah,
Speaker 2: like if you wanted to be on you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know Christina's Coast that's on AGTV, Like.
Speaker 4: Christina's Coast, they're like, okay, girl signed up to do
Speaker 4: real estate.
Speaker 1: I'd rather see you on selling the OC.
Speaker 3: She's a watchable woman that maybe not built for housewives
Speaker 3: watchable right, thank you.
Speaker 1: Not especially New Jersey.
Speaker 2: Like at the end of the day, I felt like
Speaker 2: the moment she left that dinner in the in the finale,
Speaker 2: that season finale, it was like, these girls don't leave
Speaker 2: rooms because the glass was broken. If anything, They're like
Speaker 2: Jennifer Aiden, Yeah, They're like, oh yeah, bring it on
Speaker 2: and bring her back in the room, like she can stay.
Speaker 1: This is what we do.
Speaker 2: We break bread and dishes right, shut out to Rihanna,
Speaker 2: do here right Yeah. So to me, she displayed a
Speaker 2: cowardice behavior by not even entering the room with Teresa, Aiden,
Speaker 2: and Jackie, Like what's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: Like, and this is no shame because I love all
Speaker 1: the girls.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, Jennifer, Teresa, and Jackie
Speaker 2: plus Dolores, they did not throw a glass picture allegedly
Speaker 2: or any utensils, Like.
Speaker 1: You're pretty safe, y Fessler. So I thought Fessler was
Speaker 1: being a faker, and.
Speaker 3: She's and she's also friends with Dolores and Jackie who
Speaker 3: are in that room, and so It's not like you
Speaker 3: would have no backup for people sort of mediating some
Speaker 3: of that interaction, you know what I mean. So yeah, again,
Speaker 3: it was just it was just this watch party thing.
Speaker 3: There needed to be a little bit more of a
Speaker 3: producer hand at play, like pushing things to happen or
Speaker 3: pushing things to be talked about. It was to me
Speaker 3: it was just a little bit too unstructured, and that
Speaker 3: it made it to be pretty fairly uneventful watch end
Speaker 3: of the season.
Speaker 2: Now, what was eventful watching? Because I know a lot
Speaker 2: of people are like Carlos your team Teresa and I made.
Speaker 1: I made no qualms about the.
Speaker 2: Fact that she's my good friend, I love her, we
Speaker 2: have history, and I'm always gonna write for Teresa.
Speaker 1: However, I will always be on the side of truth.
Speaker 2: If Teresa does anything I disagree with, just like I
Speaker 2: disagree with Louie making the state yes about I hope
Speaker 2: your son suffers. And I said on my podcast last
Speaker 2: week before he apologized, I said that was wrong. I
Speaker 2: do not like it, and I'm hoping he apologized him
Speaker 2: because that is not okay. I stood on business. So
Speaker 2: they're watching this finale for the first time and.
Speaker 1: They see the moment where Louie does say.
Speaker 2: I hope your son suffers obviously, you know, right and
Speaker 2: listen rightfully. So you know, Margaret was not happy with it,
Speaker 2: and she should not have been because at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, she's a parent and to hear someone
Speaker 2: single out your son is not okay and saying he suffers,
Speaker 2: like that's that's not okay. And Louis did apologize for it,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad he did. Dolores, who I'm like, Delores.
Speaker 3: Is cars is carrying.
Speaker 1: Oh, we'll get to that in a second, because we will.
Speaker 2: Delores is welcome, yeah, right, like welcome, honey, you're in
Speaker 2: the game. So Dolores is like immediately it was like, nope,
Speaker 2: don't like it.
Speaker 1: You know he's going to get rid for that. Not okay,
Speaker 1: I don't stand by it.
Speaker 2: And hunty bunny, so Reesa Judais was like, what do
Speaker 2: you mean, Like she didn't my kids suffered, and it's
Speaker 2: like that's not the same, and you know that's what
Speaker 2: de Laura's was saying to her life.
Speaker 1: It is not the same.
Speaker 2: And she's like no, And Teresa got an attitude. So
Speaker 2: what did you think about that.
Speaker 1: Whole exchange between Teresa and Dolores.
Speaker 3: Oh. I thought it was great, and I think Dolores
Speaker 3: has leaned into this role of Switzerland, but in this season,
Speaker 3: I felt that she was able to like let both
Speaker 3: sides hear it in different ways and give some hard truths.
Speaker 3: And this is very indicative of that, I do think.
Speaker 3: I mean, she brought up, you know, my son, She
Speaker 3: brought up Frankie Junior, and something clearly happened there. They
Speaker 3: flashed back to the reunion last year when he was
Speaker 3: brought up, and she didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 3: I think Dolores is sort of helping Louis and Teresa
Speaker 3: in that way by not getting into that and she
Speaker 3: doesn't want to rehash her son's drama whatever. I have
Speaker 3: no idea what that situation is, but you know.
Speaker 2: She don't either for the rectors on those people, I
Speaker 2: have no idea it.
Speaker 1: Just nor have I asked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just very clear that like something happened there
Speaker 3: and they just don't want it to be brought to
Speaker 3: the public, which I think is like best for all involved, probably,
Speaker 3: But I loved Laura's taking it to her and I
Speaker 3: thought it was really interesting that Teresa didn't even initially
Speaker 3: clock that anything was wrong with what Louis said to
Speaker 3: be honest, and yeah, I do think there's a difference
Speaker 3: between actively expressing ill will on somebody's child, whether they're
Speaker 3: an adult or not, and somebody's child on housewives being
Speaker 3: affected by something in their parents' lives being brought up,
Speaker 3: which is I've seen online people kind of compare the
Speaker 3: Jennifer Aiden affair or Abillidon's affair on Jennifer being brought
Speaker 3: up a couple of seasons ago and how that affected
Speaker 3: her children, which I have immense empathy for, and like
Speaker 3: that was obviously very tough, but like, by going on
Speaker 3: a housewives show with skeletons in your closet, you're risking
Speaker 3: those coming out of coming out and and affecting your
Speaker 3: family again, you know, And that's different from actively expressing
Speaker 3: ill will on somebody. I just think that those aren't
Speaker 3: really comparable. But yeah, circling back to Dolores, I just
Speaker 3: I was impressed by her because Teresa is not an
Speaker 3: easy person to go up against and we haven't seen
Speaker 3: Dolores do it that often, but it but for her
Speaker 3: to I think she showed that she is a good
Speaker 3: friend to Margaret and I actually think she showed she's
Speaker 3: a good friend to Teresa by doing that bye bye,
Speaker 3: by not being a yes person in that moment and
Speaker 3: being like no, like this is not okay. And Teresa
Speaker 3: actually ended up hearing it, which I think was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that too. Delores is Teresa's real friend. No,
Speaker 2: not saying, not saying that others aren't. But for Dolores
Speaker 2: to stand on this side of right is what Teresa
Speaker 2: appreciates about her friend. Because again, there's there's some not
Speaker 2: all Gibson. There are some people who may leave a
Speaker 2: comment Karlos up to Teresa's as you're all her payroll.
Speaker 3: And I get and I get the opposite. I get
Speaker 3: the opposite.
Speaker 1: So oh honey, that's why you're here too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, And my thing is more so like the friendship
Speaker 2: I have with Teresa is I've always and I think
Speaker 2: people need to understand this. I was her producer before
Speaker 2: she became this global international superstar.
Speaker 1: So my.
Speaker 2: Relationship with Teresa is I always told her my truth
Speaker 2: and how I felt about things, even if she disagreed.
Speaker 2: And because our relationship started that way and never dissipated,
Speaker 2: I today can call Teresa today and say hey, I
Speaker 2: don't think that was okay, and she would receive it
Speaker 2: and say really, and I will explain it to her
Speaker 2: and she'll say, oh, I saill that to say rain drops,
Speaker 2: that's what she gave Dolores. She immediately defended her husband
Speaker 2: because she's a loyal wife and that's beautiful. But the
Speaker 2: moment Dolores was able to explain like, no, this is
Speaker 2: why it was wrong. That's who Teresa is. Teresa somebody
Speaker 2: that needs to needs to take it all in first
Speaker 2: and then be like okay. And then Teresa said, all right,
Speaker 2: you're right. I'll I'll have him apologize. He needs to apologize, right,
Speaker 2: and that and that to me, displayed Gibson like, this
Speaker 2: is the show I want to watch. I want to
Speaker 2: watch a show where somebody can stand up to a
Speaker 2: Teresa and and say no, that was wrong, and then
Speaker 2: Teresa ultimately saying, Okay, you're right.
Speaker 1: That's what we want to see. So I love that relationship.
Speaker 2: Who I hate you interrupt, but stay tuned for more.
Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show. The relationship between Margaret
Speaker 2: and Dolores is tricky to me, and I want to
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on that they're watching for the first
Speaker 2: time the finale episode, and this is when Margaret tells
Speaker 2: the Lauris pretty much that she invited her to the
Speaker 2: I'm calling it this guy's so leave me alone, the meeting.
Speaker 1: To take down Louie.
Speaker 2: I'm calling it that, Okay, the Louis takedown, not at
Speaker 2: a steakhouse, but they were gonna put a fork in him, honey,
Speaker 2: and make him well done and not meet him well okay.
Speaker 4: So the Laura's reaction was so amazing, and it was
Speaker 4: funny to see everybody react to it.
Speaker 1: You and I did, GiB said.
Speaker 4: And even the Lauris looked a little bit This is
Speaker 4: my opinion, the Laurus looked a little bit satisfied, like
Speaker 4: see Teresa right, Melissa and Danielle and Rachel Feuda, who
Speaker 4: I forgot?
Speaker 1: Was there no Shay, Rachel? They all alive? Like wow.
Speaker 2: Delores had a strong reaction, and that's when Margaret said,
Speaker 2: I think she did not want to Resea to think
Speaker 2: she had anything any knowledge of it.
Speaker 1: Settle.
Speaker 2: This wasn't for all, Gibson, Who do you believe, Margaret
Speaker 2: or Delores?
Speaker 3: I kind of believe Margaret in this situation because when
Speaker 3: she had the confessional after or in the initial scene
Speaker 3: in the finale, and she was like, I what I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say is I remember telling her she was at
Speaker 3: lunch with Jennifer and Teresa. She had these details of
Speaker 3: when she told her, and she had details of how
Speaker 3: Dolores responded to her inviting her as well. And I
Speaker 3: don't think she's just I don't think she's making up
Speaker 3: all those details. I don't do. I believe that it
Speaker 3: might have been in passing and Dolores could have is
Speaker 3: kind of she heard it, dismissed it, and doesn't remember it. Maybe,
Speaker 3: But I also believe that Dolores has probably been saying like,
Speaker 3: I didn't know they were meeting. I didn't know they
Speaker 3: were a meeting. And so it comes out that she
Speaker 3: did know their meeting or she was invited to this meeting,
Speaker 3: then like that makes her look bad at Teresa. I
Speaker 3: don't think that was like the active implication of Margaret
Speaker 3: saying that, because it was a pretty in passing comment,
Speaker 3: no you're invited. Also, why is Frank Senior invited to
Speaker 3: this meeting? But Delores wouldn't be invited to the meeting
Speaker 3: there there there are there are things that make me
Speaker 3: believe that Margaret did invite her, but I also believe
Speaker 3: it was in passing. That's my that's my read on
Speaker 3: the situation.
Speaker 1: So do you believe.
Speaker 2: That Delores catanyam hm was was giving you all her
Speaker 2: best cappy based performance when she stood up and caught
Speaker 2: her seat. Where, Like, was she acting or do you
Speaker 2: believe like she really did not remember?
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think she was acting that. To me,
Speaker 3: that was a very genuine reaction, like she and they
Speaker 3: were all like, I mean, even Teresa was like dlorus,
Speaker 3: I've never seen me that mad before. So I think
Speaker 3: that she thought that character was under assassination basically in
Speaker 3: that moment. Do you think it was like a really
Speaker 3: intense reaction to what was being talked about as they
Speaker 3: all reacted in this watch party we saw. No, I
Speaker 3: don't think she was acting. I just think that, like
Speaker 3: I guess, as Margaret said, like they remember it differently,
Speaker 3: and I think that, Yeah, I mean, it's really it's
Speaker 3: really an insane scene to watch, especially when you rewatch
Speaker 3: it uncensored on Peacock. It was like when you when
Speaker 3: you hear her say f ing C word, like without
Speaker 3: being blurred, You're like, holy shit, and the veins popping
Speaker 3: on her head and you're like, oh my god, Like
Speaker 3: this is this is this again? This is this is
Speaker 3: Jersey fucking Housewives.
Speaker 2: This is anything else, Lark, this is not Christina on
Speaker 2: the Coast, This is not HGTV, this is not Discovery,
Speaker 2: like you're on the rough Housewalder Jersey Baby, like we
Speaker 2: want the.
Speaker 1: Action right right.
Speaker 3: And I think the last thing I'll say about like,
Speaker 3: I think what's really interesting for dlors being in the
Speaker 3: middle of these two I think it's really in the
Speaker 3: middle of two friendships. It's the Teresa friendship and the
Speaker 3: Margaret friendship. Like those are people that she's the closest
Speaker 3: with in this group, I think. And Theresa is a
Speaker 3: really old loyal friend like that they go back decades,
Speaker 3: and Margaret is somebody who she's gotten closer to within
Speaker 3: the last decade. And I believe they are super super close.
Speaker 3: But new and old friendships are different, especially I think
Speaker 3: in like an Italian community too, it's like loyalty is
Speaker 3: so valued and dlores is family, I think to Teresa.
Speaker 3: So it's like those two things I think are in
Speaker 3: conflict and Dolores's head at all times, which is like,
Speaker 3: Margaret is somebody I talked to every single day. We're
Speaker 3: emotionally close. It was through this experience and they've gotten
Speaker 3: so close. But Teresa's somebody I've known since I was
Speaker 3: back in Patterson, you know, and that's a hard conflict
Speaker 3: to work through. I think as a human.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I did not understand until
Speaker 2: Gibson and I want to know if you have any
Speaker 2: information or knowledge about this. I was not aware that
Speaker 2: Dolores and Margaret were close.
Speaker 3: I've known that for years.
Speaker 2: Okay, so okay, So in my defense, I do watch
Speaker 2: the show. I never put it like this. I've always
Speaker 2: always thought the closest friend Margaret had when she got
Speaker 2: on the show was Siggy. That's that's what I got.
Speaker 2: That's what I came across when joined. Yeah, like, oh,
Speaker 2: she's close with Siggy. Okay, fine, her and Delores know
Speaker 2: each other, Okay, great, And then I'm like, oh, her
Speaker 2: besties are Melissa and Jackie. Like I went through watching
Speaker 2: the shows and the seasons thinking like, oh, Margaret's closer
Speaker 2: to Melissa and Jackie.
Speaker 1: How long.
Speaker 2: Were Dolores and Margaret friends before the show or once
Speaker 2: she got.
Speaker 3: On the I think they've basically been getting really close
Speaker 3: since Margaret joined the show, sort of beyond the show.
Speaker 3: Like you're right, their friendship has not been spotlighted on
Speaker 3: the show very much or at all that much. But
Speaker 3: I remember because I've been interviewing them for years, and
Speaker 3: like I want to say, maybe three or four years ago,
Speaker 3: I remember Margaret saying that she talked to do Lauras
Speaker 3: every single day. I remember that, Yeah, they would be
Speaker 3: on the phone or textly every day or something. I
Speaker 3: remember her saying that they interview a long time ago
Speaker 3: with me, and so it was sort of outside of
Speaker 3: the context of the show. Definitely, they became close via
Speaker 3: working together on the show, but they grew really.
Speaker 1: Very cube book call buddies, like you know.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, because it wasn't It wasn't because of
Speaker 3: the show. It never was spotlighted on the show. I
Speaker 3: think they were genuinely close, and they let it kind
Speaker 3: of exist outside of any storyline or outside of any
Speaker 3: team Melissa team Teresa kind of thing, because it does
Speaker 3: complicate that dynamic, you know what I mean. So I
Speaker 3: don't know, that's sort of how I read it, and
Speaker 3: I kind of think that it's been brought to the
Speaker 3: forefront with Dolores in this It spotlighted Dolores's placed more
Speaker 3: in the middle than maybe it came across in other seasons,
Speaker 3: especially since Louie is ended the picture and Margaret has
Speaker 3: kind of taken a firmer stance against you know, Louis
Speaker 3: and Teresa, you know what I mean, And and kind
Speaker 3: of that divide has obviously been widened as the years
Speaker 3: have gone on. So that's that's my read on it,
Speaker 3: that they've been It's not like they weren't friends before
Speaker 3: the show, but they've gotten really close and probably the
Speaker 3: past like five years, that's what I would say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about Jackie Golschneider, who to me was
Speaker 2: a sleeper hit.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, like sorry, guys.
Speaker 2: I love a good reveal, and yeah, listen, I'll give
Speaker 2: Jackie this much.
Speaker 1: At least she copped to it.
Speaker 2: And I I am not sure if I was in
Speaker 2: jackie shoes Gibson that I would be sitting next to
Speaker 2: Teresa admitting that I lied about meeting with her husband's
Speaker 2: ex because I felt like Teresa could have punched her
Speaker 2: in the face, right next to her. Upon hearing that information,
Speaker 2: the complete opposite happened. Teresa said, Okay, it's fine. Teresa
Speaker 2: doubled down on it, doing this off the rail special that. Look,
Speaker 2: I understand why you did it. It's because you thought
Speaker 2: I was coming for your husband, Evan, and I was
Speaker 2: trying to ruin your marriage. So Teresa forgave Jackie. What
Speaker 2: do you think about that? Do you think Teresa forgave
Speaker 2: Jackie just to spite Margaret, or do you really believe
Speaker 2: that Teresa is like, listen, it's I for an eye.
Speaker 1: I'm a tough bitch. I get it. That's what we do.
Speaker 1: I forgive you.
Speaker 3: I kind of think it's little bit of both. I
Speaker 3: think in the moment, she did not want to give
Speaker 3: Margaret anything at that lunch, and Margaret's reveal was genuinely
Speaker 3: pretty big and delivered well. And U subpoenaed the wrong
Speaker 3: bitch the whole nine yards Like that was a moment,
Speaker 3: you know, like.
Speaker 1: Which, By the way, brain drops, that is an epic.
Speaker 3: Lyne It's the line of season.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's that. That's pretty epic. Usa, the poin of
Speaker 1: the wrong Bitch, I love it.
Speaker 3: Come on, come on, yeah, I think But I do.
Speaker 3: And then so I think the initial thing is not
Speaker 3: giving Margaret anything, but I think, you know, like you
Speaker 3: said earlier, Teresa sometimes like needs a moment to like
Speaker 3: really like process something like like a big reveal like
Speaker 3: that or whatever. And I think that she realized that,
Speaker 3: like it is, it kind of was eye for an
Speaker 3: eye kind of kind of did make sense that Jackie
Speaker 3: was in contact with the woman who was exposing a
Speaker 3: fake affair rumor about her husband on National TV. Like
Speaker 3: you know, Teresa is basically saying like I would have
Speaker 3: done the same thing basically, and you know what she understood,
Speaker 3: and so like I think that both of those things
Speaker 3: can be true.
Speaker 1: Time where do we go from here?
Speaker 2: Gibson, So the author Rail special is ending. It was
Speaker 2: so anti climatic because Gibson, the moment these sort of
Speaker 2: episodes of watching ended, they all looked around like do
Speaker 2: we get the bill?
Speaker 1: Like do we do? We just walk?
Speaker 2: It was so uncomfortable, Like they all look awkward the
Speaker 2: way Jackie did walking back to her car. They're walking
Speaker 2: backwards once she heard people, you know, with the earshot,
Speaker 2: you know, with with the with the do in her pants,
Speaker 2: you know, So it was so awkward they.
Speaker 1: Were like, so what do we do? Then they had
Speaker 1: a confessional. I'm like a.
Speaker 2: Confessional at the end like, oh my god, whatever I digress?
Speaker 2: I was whatever, I'm over it. Okay, where do we
Speaker 2: go from here? Because I want to play a game
Speaker 2: with you, Gibson, because that's how much I adore you.
Speaker 3: Oh oh sure, okay, on.
Speaker 1: Game and on.
Speaker 2: And that's how much you stand on business. So my
Speaker 2: first question for you, Gibson after you play this game.
Speaker 1: Is called Gibson with the gab.
Speaker 3: I'm known to have a gab.
Speaker 1: Can you subscribe this podcast? Okay?
Speaker 3: Where to heat your podcast? Ye?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, I love you some Gibson. Okay, Gibson
Speaker 2: who is responsible for the destruction of the Real Housewives
Speaker 2: of New Jersey Louis I said what I said, Oh.
Speaker 1: Nini Gibson. Okay, all right, so no, no Gibson, rain drops.
Speaker 1: Gibson has the floor. Gibson, explain yourself.
Speaker 3: I think that when Louie entered the picture, that is,
Speaker 3: when things just crossed various sorts of line. They became
Speaker 3: more severe, more divided, more dangerous feeling in some elements
Speaker 3: of that, private investigators were hired and people were called
Speaker 3: who aren't on the show, and it just felt like
Speaker 3: he's the person that also pushed the other side away
Speaker 3: from Teresa even more the kind I just think that
Speaker 3: it it made the divide unresolvable in a way that like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we've been talking about Melissa and Teresa for fifteen years
Speaker 3: or whoever long it's been, but it was always they
Speaker 3: always kind of came back around, and they would they
Speaker 3: would fight again, and they would like resolve and and
Speaker 3: I think it's refreshing that they last season at the
Speaker 3: reunion finally were like, no, we hate each other. But
Speaker 3: that also is because there was no way back. And
Speaker 3: I think that that's because of him. I think he's
Speaker 3: been driving a wedge between Teresa and people in her life,
Speaker 3: and that made the show toxic. I think that's that's
Speaker 3: that's what I think.
Speaker 2: You are a brave man. Gifts and John's I love
Speaker 2: you dearly. I could not do this episode without anyone
Speaker 2: but listen.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sure Boddo will be investigating in forty seconds,
Speaker 3: but you know what he has. He has this AirPod
Speaker 3: taffed already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gives a shut up.
Speaker 5: I mean they're friends, Okay, Okay, So when people say
Speaker 5: because based on social media comments, people have said Louis.
Speaker 2: Then there's people who have said Margaret Joseph's is the
Speaker 2: person who ruined Jersey and and obviously Gibson. What I'm saying,
Speaker 2: you've seen two on social media. It's only those two
Speaker 2: names that come up when people assign a person to
Speaker 2: the to the the destruction of the show.
Speaker 1: So what do you say to people who think it's Margaret?
Speaker 3: Though? I think that Margaret is one of the most
Speaker 3: savvy housewives that exists across any franchise right now. And
Speaker 3: I think that the people that say that, not everybody. Sorry.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people that say that are
Speaker 3: just really clouded by their loyalty to Teresa in a
Speaker 3: way that I think that Margaret Teresa is one of
Speaker 3: the best to ever do it, obviously, and that that
Speaker 3: has created the amount that she has shared on the
Speaker 3: show has created such a loyalty to her, And it
Speaker 3: makes sense to me. It makes sense why people are
Speaker 3: so loyal to Teresa. There's there's a protectiveness over her.
Speaker 3: Margaret has emerged as the true probably loan threat to Teresa.
Speaker 3: Teresa and her they've had moments where they get along,
Speaker 3: but I think that they are both sort of threatened
Speaker 3: by one another. And I think that is because Margaret's
Speaker 3: really good at this too, and she has not been
Speaker 3: around for as long. If you think back to this season,
Speaker 3: the three biggest moments of this season that will stand
Speaker 3: in the test of time, I think the screen shots
Speaker 3: sent to Dolores mid conversation, the funeral arrangement, flowers, and
Speaker 3: this final reveal at the last at the last lunch
Speaker 3: about Jackie. Those were all Margaret. That shows how good
Speaker 3: she is at this, I think, And I see why
Speaker 3: people will blame her for ruining the show quote unquote,
Speaker 3: because it's in a lot of those people's minds Teresa's show,
Speaker 3: so inherently she is trying to bring down the Teresa
Speaker 3: Show and make it not the Teresa's show. Probably, but
Speaker 3: that's how I would respond to that. I think that
Speaker 3: I think that it speaks to how good Margaret is
Speaker 3: at being a housewife. And maybe maybe maybe they're all
Speaker 3: in too deep that I think that's kind of the
Speaker 3: through line with Jersey. They're all kind of like they
Speaker 3: can't see above the above the horizon. With Jersey, they're
Speaker 3: all really in this and that's why allegedly some of
Speaker 3: them are talking to bloggers and and kind of whatever,
Speaker 3: and that's where I think the show has kind of
Speaker 3: gotten broken. But yeah, sorry, long answer, but that's what
Speaker 3: I would say.
Speaker 2: You know, I will say this just to give a
Speaker 2: different POV. Yeah, I personally don't blame Louie for the
Speaker 2: demise of the show. I think the writing was on
Speaker 2: the wall before he entered the picture. I think what
Speaker 2: happened is before Theresa met Louis, the show sort of
Speaker 2: lost its momentum because it no longer was a show
Speaker 2: about friendships. It was definitely a show about like being
Speaker 2: savvy and investigations and doing background checks on people and
Speaker 2: discovery and all of those things. And I think all
Speaker 2: of that happened prior to Louie coming on the show.
Speaker 2: I think the Real Housewives on New Jersey cast lost
Speaker 2: the plot along the way. I think what happened is
Speaker 2: it was sort of this known thing on the show
Speaker 2: where your either team to resell Team Melissa. And I
Speaker 2: think every new girl came on the show knowing that
Speaker 2: THEESA Melissa's relationship was always fragile, even when there were
Speaker 2: seasons where they got along, I think we all knew
Speaker 2: that they're getting along to get along, but it's not genuine.
Speaker 2: And I think the cast more than we did watching
Speaker 2: the show. I think the cast knew that because obviously
Speaker 2: they talk and they're filming every day with each other,
Speaker 2: and I think it became a show where it felt
Speaker 2: more like Daylight NBC versus The Real Housewives New Jersey, Right,
Speaker 2: And I just think they lost a plot along the way.
Speaker 2: And also I also think this it's tough for a
Speaker 2: man to get on the show because unfortunately, and that's
Speaker 2: any man.
Speaker 1: This is not just with Louis, This is for Joe Gorga.
Speaker 1: This is for.
Speaker 2: Even back in my day when we had the iconic
Speaker 2: legend Joe Judaics on the show, right, we had Chris Loreta,
Speaker 2: we had Albi Manns, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 2: the Cliff Essential, like Jersey Herdson's right. They were always
Speaker 2: out a deficit because unfortunately, they never had the opportunity
Speaker 2: to have equals springtime with the ladies. So when the
Speaker 2: ladies would say these things about each other's husband, however
Speaker 2: the woman felt about that person's husband or friend's husband,
Speaker 2: got a lot of airtime versus the man trying to
Speaker 2: defend himself.
Speaker 1: And I felt that way Gibson.
Speaker 2: When I was watching this author Reil special and Louis
Speaker 2: said the comment about I hope your son suffers, which, again, you,
Speaker 2: me and.
Speaker 1: The world all agreed that was bad to say, but.
Speaker 2: To hear Melissa, Danielle, Rachel and Margaret say and agree
Speaker 2: that's the worst thing that was ever said on the show,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Okay, guys, yes, we all can agree
Speaker 2: it was a bad thing to say, but this is
Speaker 2: this is the problem that I have.
Speaker 1: Y'all go the extra mile with now.
Speaker 2: Using these buzzwords where it's the worst thing that was said,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, really, cause five minutes ago, Danielle said
Speaker 2: the one thing she regrets was not killing Jennifer Aided,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I think, I think that's worst thing
Speaker 2: to say you want to end someone's life than.
Speaker 1: Saying you want someone's son to suffer.
Speaker 2: Again, both are bad, but if I had to equate
Speaker 2: the two, I would give a point one up to
Speaker 2: Danielle's comment as one of the worst things that I
Speaker 2: have heard, not on the show because I haven't done
Speaker 2: my research like that, but definitely in this episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I mean I cringe when she said that.
Speaker 3: I was like that was that's not the right answer
Speaker 3: to Oh Fessler saying, oh, you regret this? Right, She
Speaker 3: kind of gave her the layup to like say, yeah,
Speaker 3: I do. She shouldn't, she should not have said that.
Speaker 3: I think part of that, and I agree what Louis
Speaker 3: say is not the worst things I've ever been said
Speaker 3: on this show, for sure. But what gave it the
Speaker 3: sort of air of like kind of sent chills down
Speaker 3: your spine is because he met the way he said it,
Speaker 3: and sort of knowing that he has these accusations that
Speaker 3: he did hire private investigators, and he's calling the son
Speaker 3: at his job and all these different things, it almost
Speaker 3: feels like in their minds there's a chance he would
Speaker 3: follow through on that wish or something, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like it has this like air of like
Speaker 3: just kind of it felt a little bit like a
Speaker 3: dangerous comment to make because it could have real world
Speaker 3: implications or something like that sort of thing. What the
Speaker 3: subtext of the feeling was when he said that in
Speaker 3: that group's mind, that's sort of how I read that
Speaker 3: and and their reaction to it in the watch party,
Speaker 3: If that makes sense.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I get that. But if that's
Speaker 2: how they felt. Then I would feel that, Okay, is
Speaker 2: Danielle going to also live up to hurt threats because.
Speaker 3: And again she's gotten physic because she's gotten physical twice
Speaker 3: this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I'm not picking size. I don't think
Speaker 2: any of them would do anything crazy. I but but
Speaker 2: but for me, it was more so about like it
Speaker 2: was good for the goose and good for the gander.
Speaker 3: What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that what you said? I don't even now.
Speaker 2: I don't know how that picks up if I if
Speaker 2: I did it wrong, who cares? Fact, you guys get it.
Speaker 2: You guys are smarter than the fifth grader. So y'all,
Speaker 2: y'all get it. But again, that's that's what I wanted
Speaker 2: to offer up as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. The
Speaker 2: second and last question I have for you, which is
Speaker 2: also all over social media including Netflix, including Page six,
Speaker 2: People Magazine, and Honey even Deadline, is the biggest question
Speaker 2: of not only this podcast history, but the biggest question
Speaker 2: that really solidifies where we are with this show. Gibbsoni
Speaker 2: John's who stays or who goes? Does Melissa stay or
Speaker 2: does Teresa stay You can only choose one and tell
Speaker 2: me why.
Speaker 3: And this is who I want, not who I think,
Speaker 3: this is who you want. I would like for Melissa
Speaker 3: on her side of the group to stay. That is
Speaker 3: what I would like.
Speaker 1: Yes, and tell me why.
Speaker 3: I personally think that that side of the group moves
Speaker 3: on from things quicker and easier. I think Teresa holds
Speaker 3: on to a lot of things. I think she's given
Speaker 3: a lot to the show. I think she's had an
Speaker 3: amazing arc on this show. But also with if she stays,
Speaker 3: Louis stays and I don't really like watching him. I
Speaker 3: don't think he's fun to watch it all. You know,
Speaker 3: if you think about it, it's like if you, let's
Speaker 3: just say you took Teresa and Jennifer Aden out of
Speaker 3: the equation, you're still left with five or six women
Speaker 3: who are part of a cast that we would have
Speaker 3: familiarity with, and you can fill You could easily fill
Speaker 3: in people with that group and they would accept them
Speaker 3: and create a new friend group basically. And that's that's
Speaker 3: what I think. I think that it's a little bit
Speaker 3: more dynamic on that side in terms of openness to
Speaker 3: new people and and and moving on personally, that's what
Speaker 3: I think. And I'm sure that a lot of your
Speaker 3: listeners are rolling their eyes right now, and you know what,
Speaker 3: I understand that. But you asked me the question, and
Speaker 3: I and and and the reason why I clarified want
Speaker 3: versus think is that I don't think that's what's going
Speaker 3: to happen, but that's what I would want to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Now, obviously I want some reason to stay listen,
Speaker 2: and that's why we're doing this of course, of course,
Speaker 2: of course of cars. And after this, I want I
Speaker 2: want to hear why you think, because obviously you think
Speaker 2: they'll choose Theresa. But the reason I think and I
Speaker 2: would want, right, So I'll answer both. I think and
Speaker 2: would want Teresa to stay. Not only it's because she's
Speaker 2: my friend. Not only it's because in real life, I've
Speaker 2: seen this woman single handedly become the face of the show.
Speaker 2: Working with her for the first two seasons of the
Speaker 2: of the series, I've seen her also give everything to
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I've also seen her go to camp and having the
Speaker 2: entire production be put on pause until she came back,
Speaker 2: which to me was the biggest indicator that the power
Speaker 2: that this woman has in terms of like not even
Speaker 2: saying like don't film no that the network saying like
Speaker 2: what are we going to do here? And also think
Speaker 2: from a bigger picture, Gibson from my pov obviously being
Speaker 2: in this seat, being a producer and executive and.
Speaker 1: All the all the other stuff.
Speaker 2: These shows are run by advertisers, and I think when
Speaker 2: you look at selling ads to this franchise, if you
Speaker 2: tell an advertiser that, hey, Melissa is the face of
Speaker 2: the show, They're gonna say Melissa McCarthy, Melissa Etheridge, Melissa
Speaker 2: Joan Hart. Like tell me, it's not Melissa Gorga, Like
Speaker 2: who's the face of this show that you want us
Speaker 2: to like buy ad dollars for? Because that doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense. And again, this is no shade towards towards Melissa.
Speaker 2: I've said on my podcast several times that I think
Speaker 2: Silo she's a great housewife. She's beautiful, she's funny, I
Speaker 2: love her family. She's she's a she's a beautiful great mother,
Speaker 2: and you cannot take that away from her. She's a
Speaker 2: great mom, an excellent mother. In fact, she's and she
Speaker 2: on paper right is a great housewife. And I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say something to you, give something I never said on
Speaker 2: my podcast. So you get this clusive, honey, Okay, here
Speaker 2: we go.
Speaker 1: Yes, I told you I love you for a reason.
Speaker 1: Gifts and hello.
Speaker 2: When I learned through Teresa that Melissa was joining season
Speaker 2: three of the show, and I told this story of
Speaker 2: how Teresa called me because they pretty much said to her, like, girl,
Speaker 2: she's shooting tomorrow, pretty much right, and she asked me
Speaker 2: what I thought about Melissa, and mind you, at this time,
Speaker 2: I've seen Melissa twice, so this whole thing about Melissa
Speaker 2: and Joe will never invited. I met Melissa at Audriana's
Speaker 2: christening where Dina Manziel was the godmother, and I said
Speaker 2: this to Teresa's Okay, I said, well, honey, she is pretty,
Speaker 2: and I don't blame them for casting her like I
Speaker 2: said that.
Speaker 1: I never one said, oh my god, she's awful. She's this.
Speaker 2: I said to my friend Teresa, I mean she's a
Speaker 2: pretty woman and I could see why, and I said
Speaker 2: to her, like, look, bitch, I think this.
Speaker 1: I think this.
Speaker 2: Will be great for the show because I've always believed that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest with my girls.
Speaker 2: I'm honest that Way, to Ninnie, Lisa, Kenya Moore, to
Speaker 2: all my girls, Portia. The list goes on and on.
Speaker 2: So for all the people who think I'm a hater
Speaker 2: of Melissa, I'm not. I'm the one who said to Teresa, no,
Speaker 2: I get it. I understand it. She's pretty and she
Speaker 2: checks all the boxes when it comes to a housewife.
Speaker 2: So I think this will be I think this will
Speaker 2: be great for the show. And I said, but at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, and I did say this,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be very honest, I said, but, bitch,
Speaker 2: this is your show. Don't let nobody run you off
Speaker 2: your show. This is your shit. So that's that. So
Speaker 2: when it comes to Teresa Melissa, that's my thing. And
Speaker 2: I also think this as well. I think this, but
Speaker 2: this is not what I want. I think the powers
Speaker 2: that be will choose Teresa and Dolores to lead the
Speaker 2: new iteration of Jersey. I think it's those two, and
Speaker 2: I think they may. They may, and I'm fifty fifty
Speaker 2: on this. They may choose between Rachel and Danielle. And
Speaker 2: if I had to choose between Rachel and Danielle, and
Speaker 2: I'm being very honest here, I would choose Danielle only
Speaker 2: because to me, Danielle is a reality star.
Speaker 3: She's made for TV.
Speaker 2: Is in her bones, it's it's it's it's on her
Speaker 2: IMDb page, based on all the work she did to
Speaker 2: get here.
Speaker 1: And I think I think that although.
Speaker 2: What I would want, I would want Jennifer Aiden to stay,
Speaker 2: I just don't think that would happen.
Speaker 1: But I would want her to say gohey Gibson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's what I think is gonna happen as well.
Speaker 3: I don't I I don't get a good feeling in
Speaker 3: terms of like Jennifer's relationship to the network and like
Speaker 3: what they're thinking about what she's allegedly been doing behind
Speaker 3: the scenes and influencing production and all of that. But
Speaker 3: I and I think if you took her out of
Speaker 3: the equation, Teresa would be much more amenable to working
Speaker 3: with Danielle instead of Rachel. I think that Teresa's done
Speaker 3: with the food as it seems, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I for the same reason that you think
Speaker 3: and want Teresa, That's what I think they're gonna do,
Speaker 3: because it's gotten to a point where she's so inextricable
Speaker 3: from the show, like they're interchangeable and if there's no
Speaker 3: denying that she's given so much the show and all that,
Speaker 3: you don't reac I don't have to rehash it, but
Speaker 3: like that's undeniable and she's such a bankable star. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that's what I think will happen. I just I
Speaker 3: don't know. It's just sort of like I'm just so
Speaker 3: curious how they would fill that in. I guess, you know,
Speaker 3: like that's a lot of spots to fill with with
Speaker 3: with new women. So I'm not saying they can't do it.
Speaker 3: I'm not. And Dolores and Teresa, that's a lot of
Speaker 3: star power right there. So and that's a that's a
Speaker 3: genuine connection. And I feel like if they did that,
Speaker 3: do you think they would bring you back anybody to
Speaker 3: also to like also kind of give it another like
Speaker 3: the next season, another calling card, like would they bring
Speaker 3: back at Jacqueline, would they bring back you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, like just to like have it be like,
Speaker 3: you know, we're keeping Dolores and Teresa, but we're also bringing.
Speaker 1: Back Yes, I definitely think this. I think sort.
Speaker 3: Of like Atlanta, how they what they were trying to
Speaker 3: do this past this current season. Yeah, like we're keeping
Speaker 3: Kenya and Drew, and then we're bringing back Porsche and
Speaker 3: bringing back Cynthia as a friend sort of thing, and
Speaker 3: then the other ones are new.
Speaker 1: That's a great question.
Speaker 2: I think Jacqueline would have been up front and sent
Speaker 2: her if she wasn't in California.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a that's a big curve.
Speaker 2: I think if Jacqueline lived, yeah you're Jersey Jack and
Speaker 2: would have would have been asked back. Listen, it will
Speaker 2: never happen. It will never, ever, ever, ever ever happened.
Speaker 2: Dina Manzo as well. I think Caroline, we know that's
Speaker 2: not that's not happening now, honey, you want to shake
Speaker 2: the table, stop Danielle Stobb.
Speaker 3: No pun intended with the table reference right, shaking a table?
Speaker 2: Yes, oh honey, I would like to see that, but
Speaker 2: I know that that's also maybe a dark horse in
Speaker 2: a situation.
Speaker 1: So look, so that's why.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I think we won't see anyone else. I think
Speaker 2: Teresa and Dolores makes sense. Their friends. Dolores is Switzerland,
Speaker 2: but she's loyal to Teresa. Teresa needs a friend, I think, Danielle,
Speaker 2: and my last exclusive for you is this my gut
Speaker 2: said to me last night, this show was built on family.
Speaker 2: That's the difference between Jersey Housewives and the other franchisees,
Speaker 2: because each franchise has its own specialness to it right,
Speaker 2: their own entry point, and the entry print in this
Speaker 2: was family. Danielle Cabral, she has such an interesting family
Speaker 2: dynamic that I would cast her family to.
Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting, Yeah, bravo.
Speaker 1: You're listening, Hi.
Speaker 2: I would cast Danielle's family Danielle Cabral's family because there
Speaker 2: seems to be a lot there that I would like
Speaker 2: to see, because I don't want Jersey to miss the
Speaker 2: plot anymore. And when it comes to Melissa, I will
Speaker 2: say this, I think the network loves Melissa. I think
Speaker 2: Melissa would judge a fashion show on E I think
Speaker 2: Melissa would do things on Peacock with Joe.
Speaker 1: I don't think Melissa is like you.
Speaker 3: Know, I don't, yeah, gone out for good. I also
Speaker 3: think that there's something to be said about like whatever
Speaker 3: route they take going forward, maybe that route lasts for
Speaker 3: a couple of years, a few years, and then I think,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's closed off to bringing back some
Speaker 3: of those women whoever they let go of. You know what,
Speaker 3: I mean, like, so depending on how successful whatever they
Speaker 3: do is, like, that's always a possibility as well. So
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. I mean, yeah, she's a
Speaker 3: bankable star in and of herself, and so I think
Speaker 3: she'll stay involved for sure.
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