WEBVTT - Teresa or Melissa: Who STAYS? RHONJ EXCLUSIVE

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<v Speaker 1>Hey rain Drops. On the SAME's episode of Reality King,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to discuss the end of an error, not

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<v Speaker 1>the end of an era, my sweet darlings.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the end of an error, because I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>why we did not get a reunion like that Off

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<v Speaker 2>the World special was.

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<v Speaker 1>Not off the chain.

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<v Speaker 2>It was office Rocker and I want to like hop

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<v Speaker 2>off of this train that I was on watching that

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<v Speaker 2>one hour. But I have a special guest because I

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<v Speaker 2>could not do this episode alone because we have to

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<v Speaker 2>debate like the new cast for next season, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want somebody who I know is going to disagree with

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<v Speaker 2>me and have his own opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna beak for a great conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>So give it up for the lovely entertainment journalist reporter.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to podcast host Gibson.

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<v Speaker 3>John's Carlos always a pleasure you on my show. I

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<v Speaker 3>was on your show before that. We're just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>we're going back and forth, and I like, again, we

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<v Speaker 3>do disagree with one another a good amount, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>a cordial disagreement and that's what we love.

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<v Speaker 2>So absolutely absolutely, it's very cordial, which is how things

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<v Speaker 2>should be. So let's get right into it. That Off

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<v Speaker 2>the Rail special was a waste of my time. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just listen. My audience knows. I keep it straight, no chaser.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a waste of time. I do not understand

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<v Speaker 2>for the life of me why there could not be

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<v Speaker 2>a reunion because the finale, to me, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most epic finales Jersey had so but

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't that bad to where I felt like the

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<v Speaker 2>cast could not address each other and even if they

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<v Speaker 2>just don't ever be friends again. I felt like we

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<v Speaker 2>were robbed of not having what could have been essentially

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<v Speaker 2>gibson a ratings the epic reunion that could have matched

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<v Speaker 2>last season's epic three part reunion, which I like to

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<v Speaker 2>call it was the Teresa Versus Melissa show, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was here for it.

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<v Speaker 1>But let me hear from you. What did you think

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<v Speaker 1>about the Off the Rails special.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he had kept on saying, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>audience will see, they'll understand why we couldn't do reunion.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that that has fully connected. I have

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<v Speaker 3>to say, and you know, let's just say we're accepting

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<v Speaker 3>the fact we got this Off the Rails reunion. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a watch party whatever. Even it was just too unstructured

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<v Speaker 3>for me. If it felt like people people have been comparent,

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<v Speaker 3>like for the people's couch, and that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 3>it was like, like an all star episode of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I just felt like, if we're gonna keep them in

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<v Speaker 3>separate rooms, I guess that was just sort of the

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<v Speaker 3>m like they can't be in the physically in the

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<v Speaker 3>same space, at least have a producer in there who's

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<v Speaker 3>prodding them with questions and kind of you know, instigating

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<v Speaker 3>the conversation. There were more like there were still things

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<v Speaker 3>that are left on the table in that regard to

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<v Speaker 3>so it just kind of felt like if we're not

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<v Speaker 3>even gonna do that, Like nobody really wanted to like

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<v Speaker 3>relive the finale, the just that be it, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of other than a couple of moments I found interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>that was kind of what we got.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I could not agree more.

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<v Speaker 2>I just felt like, honey, I could go on YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>and watch people rewatch the reunion. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>see my girls getting dalled up. They all look gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>All of them looked beautiful. I love the looks too.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't I didn't need to see a watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Party, Like I can go over my gaze house and

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<v Speaker 2>and and and watch it with them over and over again,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what I do, And it would have been

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<v Speaker 2>more satisfying than seeing my girls have to watch a

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<v Speaker 2>plasma screen from office depot in a restaurant where they

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<v Speaker 2>want us upstairs the others down downstairs. So for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this entire season was about the vision

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<v Speaker 2>and the last thing I wanted was to see a

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<v Speaker 2>continuation of divide I felt like the only thing that us,

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<v Speaker 2>the audience wanted, was like, Okay, let's have them all

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<v Speaker 2>in the same room. Let's have them all address each other,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have them all talk about where things went wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and then see at least a satisfying finale of some

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of Like, you know what, I least like the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that I saw you girls address each other for

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<v Speaker 2>the last time, and I wish you all best in

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<v Speaker 2>your future endeavors, which is what I've said to all

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<v Speaker 2>my ex boyfriends.

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<v Speaker 1>So gibsid like, yeah, what what are we doing it?

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<v Speaker 3>It's also just like you think back to past moments

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<v Speaker 3>when people have shown up to reunions that would have

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<v Speaker 3>been that revery difficult to show up too, Like even

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<v Speaker 3>just last year, Ariano Maatic showing up to that reunion

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<v Speaker 3>and facing off with rock Hell and Tom like that

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<v Speaker 3>was fucking hard for her to do, and she did

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<v Speaker 3>it and we got a fantastic reunion out of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody came to blows, nobody whatever, And like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if that's Do you think it was like them

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<v Speaker 3>being scared of the things were going to get physical again?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think it was just like they were throwing

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<v Speaker 3>in the towel, there was going to be no resolution,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't fully understand that. I don't fully understand

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<v Speaker 3>the reasoning still because I don't know, And it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>just about Teresa Melissa. There were so many other dynamics

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<v Speaker 3>that I wanted resolution on. I wanted I wanted Jackie

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<v Speaker 3>and Teresa talk out, like, you know, Jackie reacting Teresa

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<v Speaker 3>saying that she was initially using her to get intel

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<v Speaker 3>on March. I wanted Delores and Margaret to really hash

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<v Speaker 3>out watching that fight back and what they were saying

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<v Speaker 3>in the confessionals about that fight. I wanted to see obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to see Jen and Danielle still still kind

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<v Speaker 3>of chat through some of that stuff, Like there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot there. It's more than just this family fight. It's

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<v Speaker 3>way this season gave us a lot more in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of the different dynamics than the group, and now we're

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<v Speaker 3>just sort of like left shrugging and thinking they'll just

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<v Speaker 3>none of them will ever repair anything. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think the reason why this special happened

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<v Speaker 2>is because we all know where we were when OJ

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<v Speaker 2>drove the White Bronco.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know where we were.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, like there's Mama's in history that would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, American history books.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing in American history books is.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know where we were when Beyonce dropped a

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<v Speaker 2>surprise album, you know, and we all know where we

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<v Speaker 2>were when Ashley LaRita pulled pulled Daniel's hair at the

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<v Speaker 2>country club and right right.

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<v Speaker 3>Up there with the Bronco and Beyonce's surprise album exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, ladies, gentlemen day Officeport and Center

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<v Speaker 2>as Ashley put Daniel's hair. Okay, so we also know

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<v Speaker 2>where we were when we learned that the Real House

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<v Speaker 2>washs New Jersey, we're not going to have a traditional reunion.

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<v Speaker 1>And at that time, it may have.

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<v Speaker 2>Been maybe five episodes that aired, so we already knew

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<v Speaker 2>that this season was divide. I believe that the network,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, probably felt that the show is showing

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't like each other. On top of that,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a lot of mess happening on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to say either three to five business days before

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<v Speaker 2>they announced that it was not going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>traditional reunion. It's when it was revealed that Jennifer Aiden

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly was giving bloggers screening some episodes and having a

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with them where she allegedly was feeding them information

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<v Speaker 2>to blog against her opponents. So I think all of

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<v Speaker 2>that was like, you know what, this is getting very dark.

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<v Speaker 2>To your point, Gibson, you have to talk about it

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<v Speaker 2>and address it. Although Andy did ask Jennifer Aiden those

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<v Speaker 2>questions on Watch What Happens Live, and I thought she

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<v Speaker 2>did a good job dancing around, I'm sorry, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>she did a good job answering the question.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think. I thought. I thought that she had

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<v Speaker 3>time to repair for that question and she knew she

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<v Speaker 3>was going to get that question, and I don't I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think she actually answered it very well at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Personally, I was joking Gifts, That's why I said, dancing around.

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<v Speaker 3>First, I agree with you, I'm gladly I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna need to explain.

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<v Speaker 2>That no, no, no, yeah, I was a big silly no.

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<v Speaker 2>It was obvious, yeah, mistic and I loved you it,

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<v Speaker 2>But it was obvious she had enough time to prepare

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<v Speaker 2>for an answer. So I do think those were the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why it happened. But still I just felt like, honest,

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<v Speaker 2>what they want, we don't give a shit about that.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to see a reunion.

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<v Speaker 2>So my question for you is this, they're watching the reunion,

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Fessler comes in, and she doesn't embrace Danielle immediately

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<v Speaker 2>or at all for that matter, till until you know,

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<v Speaker 2>towards the end, and then Danielle pretty much tells Jen

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<v Speaker 2>Fessler that, look, now that you saw the whole season,

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<v Speaker 2>you were riding for Jennifer Aiden, your team Jennifer Aiden,

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<v Speaker 2>and Fessler was very defensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what are you doing? I just walked in, you

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<v Speaker 1>have all this energy.

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<v Speaker 2>They ultimately made a mind because Jim Fesler said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>after watching the season, I was wrong. I should have

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<v Speaker 2>been on your side, not Jance. I'm sorry, and they

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<v Speaker 2>made up.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think Jim Fesler was trying to get on

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<v Speaker 1>the right team in her mind because I thought she

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<v Speaker 1>was similar to Dolores in the sense of playing in Switzerland,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was surprised that she did not even want

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<v Speaker 1>to go into the other room.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I will say I was. I'm been a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit disappointed by Jenfesto. The last two episode of this

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<v Speaker 3>season one her walking out of that brunch that she

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<v Speaker 3>helped organize with Dolores. She walked out. I thought way

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<v Speaker 3>too prematurely. I understand in real life, if somebody's in

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<v Speaker 3>a glass, yeah, you'd probably leave lunch, But on a

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<v Speaker 3>house live show to bow out at that moment, at

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<v Speaker 3>that juncture, felt like she, as Delora said, maybe she's

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<v Speaker 3>not built for this. Because I at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 3>the season, Carlos, I was like, so on the Fessler

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<v Speaker 3>friend of to Full Time Train, I was like, Fessler

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<v Speaker 3>is so watchable, she can play both sides whatever. But

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of the season, she's kind of dropped

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<v Speaker 3>the ball and kind of shown that she's more conflict

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<v Speaker 3>avoidant than kind of addressing and kind of willing to

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<v Speaker 3>address conflict head on like this. So it's like the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that she because she also said that one of

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<v Speaker 3>the reasons why she hasn't spoken to the Teresa Gen

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<v Speaker 3>it's because she saw all the screenshots that were floating

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<v Speaker 3>around of them allegedly talking to bloggers, and that to

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<v Speaker 3>a point of her, she saw it in black and white,

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<v Speaker 3>and she didn't want to ask any questions. But why

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<v Speaker 3>did she not want to ask any questions? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>why didn't she confront them about it? Why didn't she

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<v Speaker 3>ask them about it? That's another thing we could have

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<v Speaker 3>seen on this watch party. Send gen Fessler downstairs and

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<v Speaker 3>have her ask about the screenshots, or have them talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the reason why they haven't spoken for five months

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<v Speaker 3>or however long it's been. So I didn't love that either,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was surprised by it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, yeah, I listen. I think Jenfesler is a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful woman inside and out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I agree, And that's where it is for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I would not cast a Jenfessler for any of my shows.

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<v Speaker 3>It is it for that reason? Or what else do

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<v Speaker 3>you see in her that you don't know?

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<v Speaker 1>What it is? Is this?

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<v Speaker 2>When you decide to get on reality television, you're signing

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<v Speaker 2>up to really have tough conversations when things present itself.

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<v Speaker 2>That is tough, right. It's all about the intention. And

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<v Speaker 2>she's not a bad person, so let's make that very clear.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a beautiful woman. I don't think she has what

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<v Speaker 2>it takes to be on a reality show, let alone

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<v Speaker 2>The Real Housewives of New Jersey. Yeah, yeah, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you wanted to be on you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know Christina's Coast that's on AGTV, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>Christina's Coast, they're like, okay, girl signed up to do

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<v Speaker 4>real estate.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather see you on selling the OC.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a watchable woman that maybe not built for housewives

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<v Speaker 3>watchable right, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Not especially New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>Like at the end of the day, I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>the moment she left that dinner in the in the finale,

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<v Speaker 2>that season finale, it was like, these girls don't leave

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<v Speaker 2>rooms because the glass was broken. If anything, They're like

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Aiden, Yeah, They're like, oh yeah, bring it on

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<v Speaker 2>and bring her back in the room, like she can stay.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what we do.

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<v Speaker 2>We break bread and dishes right, shut out to Rihanna,

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<v Speaker 2>do here right Yeah. So to me, she displayed a

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<v Speaker 2>cowardice behavior by not even entering the room with Teresa, Aiden,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jackie, Like what's gonna happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, and this is no shame because I love all

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<v Speaker 1>the girls.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, Jennifer, Teresa, and Jackie

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<v Speaker 2>plus Dolores, they did not throw a glass picture allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>or any utensils, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>You're pretty safe, y Fessler. So I thought Fessler was

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<v Speaker 1>being a faker, and.

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<v Speaker 3>She's and she's also friends with Dolores and Jackie who

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<v Speaker 3>are in that room, and so It's not like you

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<v Speaker 3>would have no backup for people sort of mediating some

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<v Speaker 3>of that interaction, you know what I mean. So yeah, again,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just it was just this watch party thing.

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<v Speaker 3>There needed to be a little bit more of a

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<v Speaker 3>producer hand at play, like pushing things to happen or

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<v Speaker 3>pushing things to be talked about. It was to me

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<v Speaker 3>it was just a little bit too unstructured, and that

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<v Speaker 3>it made it to be pretty fairly uneventful watch end

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<v Speaker 3>of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what was eventful watching? Because I know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people are like Carlos your team Teresa and I made.

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<v Speaker 1>I made no qualms about the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fact that she's my good friend, I love her, we

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<v Speaker 2>have history, and I'm always gonna write for Teresa.

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<v Speaker 1>However, I will always be on the side of truth.

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<v Speaker 2>If Teresa does anything I disagree with, just like I

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<v Speaker 2>disagree with Louie making the state yes about I hope

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<v Speaker 2>your son suffers. And I said on my podcast last

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<v Speaker 2>week before he apologized, I said that was wrong. I

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<v Speaker 2>do not like it, and I'm hoping he apologized him

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<v Speaker 2>because that is not okay. I stood on business. So

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<v Speaker 2>they're watching this finale for the first time and.

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<v Speaker 1>They see the moment where Louie does say.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope your son suffers obviously, you know, right and

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<v Speaker 2>listen rightfully. So you know, Margaret was not happy with it,

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<v Speaker 2>and she should not have been because at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day, she's a parent and to hear someone

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<v Speaker 2>single out your son is not okay and saying he suffers,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's that's not okay. And Louis did apologize for it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm glad he did. Dolores, who I'm like, Delores.

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<v Speaker 3>Is cars is carrying.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we'll get to that in a second, because we will.

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<v Speaker 2>Delores is welcome, yeah, right, like welcome, honey, you're in

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<v Speaker 2>the game. So Dolores is like immediately it was like, nope,

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<v Speaker 2>don't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know he's going to get rid for that. Not okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't stand by it.

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<v Speaker 2>And hunty bunny, so Reesa Judais was like, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you mean, Like she didn't my kids suffered, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like that's not the same, and you know that's what

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<v Speaker 2>de Laura's was saying to her life.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not the same.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's like no, And Teresa got an attitude. So

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<v Speaker 2>what did you think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Whole exchange between Teresa and Dolores.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh. I thought it was great, and I think Dolores

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<v Speaker 3>has leaned into this role of Switzerland, but in this season,

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<v Speaker 3>I felt that she was able to like let both

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<v Speaker 3>sides hear it in different ways and give some hard truths.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is very indicative of that, I do think.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, she brought up, you know, my son, She

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<v Speaker 3>brought up Frankie Junior, and something clearly happened there. They

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<v Speaker 3>flashed back to the reunion last year when he was

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<v Speaker 3>brought up, and she didn't want to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Dolores is sort of helping Louis and Teresa

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<v Speaker 3>in that way by not getting into that and she

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't want to rehash her son's drama whatever. I have

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<v Speaker 3>no idea what that situation is, but you know.

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<v Speaker 2>She don't either for the rectors on those people, I

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just nor have I asked.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just very clear that like something happened there

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<v Speaker 3>and they just don't want it to be brought to

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<v Speaker 3>the public, which I think is like best for all involved, probably,

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<v Speaker 3>But I loved Laura's taking it to her and I

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was really interesting that Teresa didn't even initially

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<v Speaker 3>clock that anything was wrong with what Louis said to

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<v Speaker 3>be honest, and yeah, I do think there's a difference

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<v Speaker 3>between actively expressing ill will on somebody's child, whether they're

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<v Speaker 3>an adult or not, and somebody's child on housewives being

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<v Speaker 3>affected by something in their parents' lives being brought up,

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<v Speaker 3>which is I've seen online people kind of compare the

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<v Speaker 3>Jennifer Aiden affair or Abillidon's affair on Jennifer being brought

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<v Speaker 3>up a couple of seasons ago and how that affected

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<v Speaker 3>her children, which I have immense empathy for, and like

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<v Speaker 3>that was obviously very tough, but like, by going on

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<v Speaker 3>a housewives show with skeletons in your closet, you're risking

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<v Speaker 3>those coming out of coming out and and affecting your

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<v Speaker 3>family again, you know, And that's different from actively expressing

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<v Speaker 3>ill will on somebody. I just think that those aren't

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<v Speaker 3>really comparable. But yeah, circling back to Dolores, I just

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<v Speaker 3>I was impressed by her because Teresa is not an

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<v Speaker 3>easy person to go up against and we haven't seen

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<v Speaker 3>Dolores do it that often, but it but for her

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<v Speaker 3>to I think she showed that she is a good

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<v Speaker 3>friend to Margaret and I actually think she showed she's

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<v Speaker 3>a good friend to Teresa by doing that bye bye,

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<v Speaker 3>by not being a yes person in that moment and

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<v Speaker 3>being like no, like this is not okay. And Teresa

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<v Speaker 3>actually ended up hearing it, which I think was great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say that too. Delores is Teresa's real friend. No,

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<v Speaker 2>not saying, not saying that others aren't. But for Dolores

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<v Speaker 2>to stand on this side of right is what Teresa

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<v Speaker 2>appreciates about her friend. Because again, there's there's some not

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<v Speaker 2>all Gibson. There are some people who may leave a

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<v Speaker 2>comment Karlos up to Teresa's as you're all her payroll.

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<v Speaker 3>And I get and I get the opposite. I get

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<v Speaker 3>the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh honey, that's why you're here too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And my thing is more so like the friendship

0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:13.480
<v Speaker 2>I have with Teresa is I've always and I think

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<v Speaker 2>people need to understand this. I was her producer before

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<v Speaker 2>she became this global international superstar.

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<v Speaker 1>So my.

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<v Speaker 2>Relationship with Teresa is I always told her my truth

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<v Speaker 2>and how I felt about things, even if she disagreed.

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<v Speaker 2>And because our relationship started that way and never dissipated,

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<v Speaker 2>I today can call Teresa today and say hey, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that was okay, and she would receive it

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<v Speaker 2>and say really, and I will explain it to her

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<v Speaker 2>and she'll say, oh, I saill that to say rain drops,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what she gave Dolores. She immediately defended her husband

0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:56.520
<v Speaker 2>because she's a loyal wife and that's beautiful. But the

0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:00.679
<v Speaker 2>moment Dolores was able to explain like, no, this is

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<v Speaker 2>why it was wrong. That's who Teresa is. Teresa somebody

0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.919
<v Speaker 2>that needs to needs to take it all in first

0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:11.440
<v Speaker 2>and then be like okay. And then Teresa said, all right,

0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:15.199
<v Speaker 2>you're right. I'll I'll have him apologize. He needs to apologize, right,

0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and that and that to me, displayed Gibson like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the show I want to watch. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>watch a show where somebody can stand up to a

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<v Speaker 2>Teresa and and say no, that was wrong, and then

0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Teresa ultimately saying, Okay, you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we want to see. So I love that relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Who I hate you interrupt, but stay tuned for more.

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<v Speaker 2>This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get back into the show. The relationship between Margaret

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<v Speaker 2>and Dolores is tricky to me, and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>get your thoughts on that they're watching for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time the finale episode, and this is when Margaret tells

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<v Speaker 2>the Lauris pretty much that she invited her to the

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<v Speaker 2>I'm calling it this guy's so leave me alone, the meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>To take down Louie.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm calling it that, Okay, the Louis takedown, not at

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<v Speaker 2>a steakhouse, but they were gonna put a fork in him, honey,

0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.959
<v Speaker 2>and make him well done and not meet him well okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So the Laura's reaction was so amazing, and it was

0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:38.800
<v Speaker 4>funny to see everybody react to it.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I did, GiB said.

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<v Speaker 4>And even the Lauris looked a little bit This is

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<v Speaker 4>my opinion, the Laurus looked a little bit satisfied, like

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<v Speaker 4>see Teresa right, Melissa and Danielle and Rachel Feuda, who

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<v Speaker 4>I forgot?

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<v Speaker 1>Was there no Shay, Rachel? They all alive? Like wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Delores had a strong reaction, and that's when Margaret said,

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<v Speaker 2>I think she did not want to Resea to think

0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.600
<v Speaker 2>she had anything any knowledge of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Settle.

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<v Speaker 2>This wasn't for all, Gibson, Who do you believe, Margaret

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<v Speaker 2>or Delores?

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of believe Margaret in this situation because when

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<v Speaker 3>she had the confessional after or in the initial scene

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.320
<v Speaker 3>in the finale, and she was like, I what I'm

0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:31.800
<v Speaker 3>gonna say is I remember telling her she was at

0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:35.520
<v Speaker 3>lunch with Jennifer and Teresa. She had these details of

0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.199
<v Speaker 3>when she told her, and she had details of how

0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.639
<v Speaker 3>Dolores responded to her inviting her as well. And I

0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:42.639
<v Speaker 3>don't think she's just I don't think she's making up

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<v Speaker 3>all those details. I don't do. I believe that it

0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:48.439
<v Speaker 3>might have been in passing and Dolores could have is

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:53.160
<v Speaker 3>kind of she heard it, dismissed it, and doesn't remember it. Maybe,

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:56.320
<v Speaker 3>But I also believe that Dolores has probably been saying like,

0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:57.679
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know they were meeting. I didn't know they

0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:01.199
<v Speaker 3>were a meeting. And so it comes out that she

0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:03.560
<v Speaker 3>did know their meeting or she was invited to this meeting,

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 3>then like that makes her look bad at Teresa. I

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:10.720
<v Speaker 3>don't think that was like the active implication of Margaret

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 3>saying that, because it was a pretty in passing comment,

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 3>no you're invited. Also, why is Frank Senior invited to

0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:17.840
<v Speaker 3>this meeting? But Delores wouldn't be invited to the meeting

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 3>there there there are there are things that make me

0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 3>believe that Margaret did invite her, but I also believe

0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 3>it was in passing. That's my that's my read on

0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 3>the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you believe.

0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 2>That Delores catanyam hm was was giving you all her

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 2>best cappy based performance when she stood up and caught

0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:47.199
<v Speaker 2>her seat. Where, Like, was she acting or do you

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:49.200
<v Speaker 2>believe like she really did not remember?

0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:51.439
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't think she was acting that. To me,

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 3>that was a very genuine reaction, like she and they

0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:56.719
<v Speaker 3>were all like, I mean, even Teresa was like dlorus,

0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:59.160
<v Speaker 3>I've never seen me that mad before. So I think

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:03.399
<v Speaker 3>that she thought that character was under assassination basically in

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 3>that moment. Do you think it was like a really

0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 3>intense reaction to what was being talked about as they

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 3>all reacted in this watch party we saw. No, I

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 3>don't think she was acting. I just think that, like

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 3>I guess, as Margaret said, like they remember it differently,

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:22.480
<v Speaker 3>and I think that, Yeah, I mean, it's really it's

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 3>really an insane scene to watch, especially when you rewatch

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:27.439
<v Speaker 3>it uncensored on Peacock. It was like when you when

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 3>you hear her say f ing C word, like without

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 3>being blurred, You're like, holy shit, and the veins popping

0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 3>on her head and you're like, oh my god, Like

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 3>this is this is this again? This is this is

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Jersey fucking Housewives.

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 2>This is anything else, Lark, this is not Christina on

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 2>the Coast, This is not HGTV, this is not Discovery,

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 2>like you're on the rough Housewalder Jersey Baby, like we

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:53.560
<v Speaker 2>want the.

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Action right right.

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:55.800
<v Speaker 3>And I think the last thing I'll say about like,

0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 3>I think what's really interesting for dlors being in the

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 3>middle of these two I think it's really in the

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 3>middle of two friendships. It's the Teresa friendship and the

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Margaret friendship. Like those are people that she's the closest

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:08.679
<v Speaker 3>with in this group, I think. And Theresa is a

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:13.880
<v Speaker 3>really old loyal friend like that they go back decades,

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.920
<v Speaker 3>and Margaret is somebody who she's gotten closer to within

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 3>the last decade. And I believe they are super super close.

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 3>But new and old friendships are different, especially I think

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 3>in like an Italian community too, it's like loyalty is

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.719
<v Speaker 3>so valued and dlores is family, I think to Teresa.

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.119
<v Speaker 3>So it's like those two things I think are in

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.479
<v Speaker 3>conflict and Dolores's head at all times, which is like,

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:39.640
<v Speaker 3>Margaret is somebody I talked to every single day. We're

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 3>emotionally close. It was through this experience and they've gotten

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 3>so close. But Teresa's somebody I've known since I was

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:52.200
<v Speaker 3>back in Patterson, you know, and that's a hard conflict

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 3>to work through. I think as a human.

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 2>One of the things that I did not understand until

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Gibson and I want to know if you have any

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 2>information or knowledge about this. I was not aware that

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Dolores and Margaret were close.

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:11.120
<v Speaker 3>I've known that for years.

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so okay, So in my defense, I do watch

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:21.639
<v Speaker 2>the show. I never put it like this. I've always

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 2>always thought the closest friend Margaret had when she got

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:32.640
<v Speaker 2>on the show was Siggy. That's that's what I got.

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:37.440
<v Speaker 2>That's what I came across when joined. Yeah, like, oh,

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 2>she's close with Siggy. Okay, fine, her and Delores know

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.439
<v Speaker 2>each other, Okay, great, And then I'm like, oh, her

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:47.119
<v Speaker 2>besties are Melissa and Jackie. Like I went through watching

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.679
<v Speaker 2>the shows and the seasons thinking like, oh, Margaret's closer

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 2>to Melissa and Jackie.

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 1>How long.

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Were Dolores and Margaret friends before the show or once

0:27:59.440 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 2>she got.

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:03.880
<v Speaker 3>On the I think they've basically been getting really close

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 3>since Margaret joined the show, sort of beyond the show.

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Like you're right, their friendship has not been spotlighted on

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 3>the show very much or at all that much. But

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 3>I remember because I've been interviewing them for years, and

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:24.120
<v Speaker 3>like I want to say, maybe three or four years ago,

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 3>I remember Margaret saying that she talked to do Lauras

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 3>every single day. I remember that, Yeah, they would be

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:32.879
<v Speaker 3>on the phone or textly every day or something. I

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 3>remember her saying that they interview a long time ago

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 3>with me, and so it was sort of outside of

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 3>the context of the show. Definitely, they became close via

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 3>working together on the show, but they grew really.

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Very cube book call buddies, like you know.

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, because it wasn't It wasn't because of

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 3>the show. It never was spotlighted on the show. I

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 3>think they were genuinely close, and they let it kind

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 3>of exist outside of any storyline or outside of any

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:00.720
<v Speaker 3>team Melissa team Teresa kind of thing, because it does

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 3>complicate that dynamic, you know what I mean. So I

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 3>don't know, that's sort of how I read it, and

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 3>I kind of think that it's been brought to the

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 3>forefront with Dolores in this It spotlighted Dolores's placed more

0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:17.200
<v Speaker 3>in the middle than maybe it came across in other seasons,

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 3>especially since Louie is ended the picture and Margaret has

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 3>kind of taken a firmer stance against you know, Louis

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 3>and Teresa, you know what I mean, And and kind

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 3>of that divide has obviously been widened as the years

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 3>have gone on. So that's that's my read on it,

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 3>that they've been It's not like they weren't friends before

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 3>the show, but they've gotten really close and probably the

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 3>past like five years, that's what I would say.

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's talk about Jackie Golschneider, who to me was

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 2>a sleeper hit.

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Yes, no, like sorry, guys.

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I love a good reveal, and yeah, listen, I'll give

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Jackie this much.

0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>At least she copped to it.

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>And I I am not sure if I was in

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 2>jackie shoes Gibson that I would be sitting next to

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Teresa admitting that I lied about meeting with her husband's

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>ex because I felt like Teresa could have punched her

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 2>in the face, right next to her. Upon hearing that information,

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the complete opposite happened. Teresa said, Okay, it's fine. Teresa

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 2>doubled down on it, doing this off the rail special that. Look,

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I understand why you did it. It's because you thought

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I was coming for your husband, Evan, and I was

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 2>trying to ruin your marriage. So Teresa forgave Jackie. What

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 2>do you think about that? Do you think Teresa forgave

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Jackie just to spite Margaret, or do you really believe

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 2>that Teresa is like, listen, it's I for an eye.

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm a tough bitch. I get it. That's what we do.

0:30:58.120 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 1>I forgive you.

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 3>I kind of think it's little bit of both. I

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 3>think in the moment, she did not want to give

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 3>Margaret anything at that lunch, and Margaret's reveal was genuinely

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 3>pretty big and delivered well. And U subpoenaed the wrong

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 3>bitch the whole nine yards Like that was a moment,

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, like.

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Which, By the way, brain drops, that is an epic.

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Lyne It's the line of season.

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's that. That's pretty epic. Usa, the poin of

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the wrong Bitch, I love it.

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 3>Come on, come on, yeah, I think But I do.

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 3>And then so I think the initial thing is not

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 3>giving Margaret anything, but I think, you know, like you

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 3>said earlier, Teresa sometimes like needs a moment to like

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 3>really like process something like like a big reveal like

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 3>that or whatever. And I think that she realized that,

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 3>like it is, it kind of was eye for an

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 3>eye kind of kind of did make sense that Jackie

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 3>was in contact with the woman who was exposing a

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 3>fake affair rumor about her husband on National TV. Like

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, Teresa is basically saying like I would have

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 3>done the same thing basically, and you know what she understood,

0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 3>and so like I think that both of those things

0:31:59.400 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 3>can be true.

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Time where do we go from here?

0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Gibson, So the author Rail special is ending. It was

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>so anti climatic because Gibson, the moment these sort of

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 2>episodes of watching ended, they all looked around like do

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 2>we get the bill?

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Like do we do? We just walk?

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>It was so uncomfortable, Like they all look awkward the

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 2>way Jackie did walking back to her car. They're walking

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 2>backwards once she heard people, you know, with the earshot,

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, with with the with the do in her pants,

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, So it was so awkward they.

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Were like, so what do we do? Then they had

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>a confessional. I'm like a.

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Confessional at the end like, oh my god, whatever I digress?

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 2>I was whatever, I'm over it. Okay, where do we

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 2>go from here? Because I want to play a game

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 2>with you, Gibson, because that's how much I adore you.

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh oh sure, okay, on.

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Game and on.

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 2>And that's how much you stand on business. So my

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 2>first question for you, Gibson after you play this game.

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Is called Gibson with the gab.

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:20.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm known to have a gab.

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Can you subscribe this podcast? Okay?

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Where to heat your podcast? Ye?

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yes, I love you some Gibson. Okay, Gibson

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 2>who is responsible for the destruction of the Real Housewives

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 2>of New Jersey Louis I said what I said, Oh.

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Nini Gibson. Okay, all right, so no, no Gibson, rain drops.

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Gibson has the floor. Gibson, explain yourself.

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 3>I think that when Louie entered the picture, that is,

0:33:55.680 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 3>when things just crossed various sorts of line. They became

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 3>more severe, more divided, more dangerous feeling in some elements

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 3>of that, private investigators were hired and people were called

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 3>who aren't on the show, and it just felt like

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 3>he's the person that also pushed the other side away

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 3>from Teresa even more the kind I just think that

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:25.359
<v Speaker 3>it it made the divide unresolvable in a way that like, yeah,

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 3>we've been talking about Melissa and Teresa for fifteen years

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 3>or whoever long it's been, but it was always they

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 3>always kind of came back around, and they would they

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 3>would fight again, and they would like resolve and and

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 3>I think it's refreshing that they last season at the

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.279
<v Speaker 3>reunion finally were like, no, we hate each other. But

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 3>that also is because there was no way back. And

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 3>I think that that's because of him. I think he's

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 3>been driving a wedge between Teresa and people in her life,

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 3>and that made the show toxic. I think that's that's

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 3>that's what I think.

0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 2>You are a brave man. Gifts and John's I love

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.720
<v Speaker 2>you dearly. I could not do this episode without anyone

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:03.320
<v Speaker 2>but listen.

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm sure Boddo will be investigating in forty seconds,

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 3>but you know what he has. He has this AirPod

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 3>taffed already.

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gives a shut up.

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:29.720
<v Speaker 5>I mean they're friends, Okay, Okay, So when people say

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 5>because based on social media comments, people have said Louis.

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Then there's people who have said Margaret Joseph's is the

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:44.760
<v Speaker 2>person who ruined Jersey and and obviously Gibson. What I'm saying,

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 2>you've seen two on social media. It's only those two

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 2>names that come up when people assign a person to

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>the to the the destruction of the show.

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 1>So what do you say to people who think it's Margaret?

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Though? I think that Margaret is one of the most

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 3>savvy housewives that exists across any franchise right now. And

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:10.719
<v Speaker 3>I think that the people that say that, not everybody. Sorry.

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of people that say that are

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:16.320
<v Speaker 3>just really clouded by their loyalty to Teresa in a

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 3>way that I think that Margaret Teresa is one of

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.360
<v Speaker 3>the best to ever do it, obviously, and that that

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:25.279
<v Speaker 3>has created the amount that she has shared on the

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 3>show has created such a loyalty to her, And it

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 3>makes sense to me. It makes sense why people are

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:33.680
<v Speaker 3>so loyal to Teresa. There's there's a protectiveness over her.

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Margaret has emerged as the true probably loan threat to Teresa.

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 3>Teresa and her they've had moments where they get along,

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 3>but I think that they are both sort of threatened

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 3>by one another. And I think that is because Margaret's

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 3>really good at this too, and she has not been

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 3>around for as long. If you think back to this season,

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 3>the three biggest moments of this season that will stand

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 3>in the test of time, I think the screen shots

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 3>sent to Dolores mid conversation, the funeral arrangement, flowers, and

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 3>this final reveal at the last at the last lunch

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 3>about Jackie. Those were all Margaret. That shows how good

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 3>she is at this, I think, And I see why

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:17.320
<v Speaker 3>people will blame her for ruining the show quote unquote,

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 3>because it's in a lot of those people's minds Teresa's show,

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 3>so inherently she is trying to bring down the Teresa

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 3>Show and make it not the Teresa's show. Probably, but

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 3>that's how I would respond to that. I think that

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 3>I think that it speaks to how good Margaret is

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 3>at being a housewife. And maybe maybe maybe they're all

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 3>in too deep that I think that's kind of the

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 3>through line with Jersey. They're all kind of like they

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 3>can't see above the above the horizon. With Jersey, they're

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 3>all really in this and that's why allegedly some of

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 3>them are talking to bloggers and and kind of whatever,

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 3>and that's where I think the show has kind of

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 3>gotten broken. But yeah, sorry, long answer, but that's what

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:55.760
<v Speaker 3>I would say.

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, I will say this just to give a

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 2>different POV. Yeah, I personally don't blame Louie for the

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 2>demise of the show. I think the writing was on

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 2>the wall before he entered the picture. I think what

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 2>happened is before Theresa met Louis, the show sort of

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:20.879
<v Speaker 2>lost its momentum because it no longer was a show

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:25.719
<v Speaker 2>about friendships. It was definitely a show about like being

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>savvy and investigations and doing background checks on people and

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 2>discovery and all of those things. And I think all

0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 2>of that happened prior to Louie coming on the show.

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I think the Real Housewives on New Jersey cast lost

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 2>the plot along the way. I think what happened is

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:55.799
<v Speaker 2>it was sort of this known thing on the show

0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 2>where your either team to resell Team Melissa. And I

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 2>think every new girl came on the show knowing that

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:11.839
<v Speaker 2>THEESA Melissa's relationship was always fragile, even when there were

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 2>seasons where they got along, I think we all knew

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 2>that they're getting along to get along, but it's not genuine.

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:25.800
<v Speaker 2>And I think the cast more than we did watching

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 2>the show. I think the cast knew that because obviously

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 2>they talk and they're filming every day with each other,

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:35.360
<v Speaker 2>and I think it became a show where it felt

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:40.959
<v Speaker 2>more like Daylight NBC versus The Real Housewives New Jersey, Right,

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 2>And I just think they lost a plot along the way.

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 2>And also I also think this it's tough for a

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 2>man to get on the show because unfortunately, and that's

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 2>any man.

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 1>This is not just with Louis, This is for Joe Gorga.

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:57.319
<v Speaker 1>This is for.

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Even back in my day when we had the iconic

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 2>legend Joe Judaics on the show, right, we had Chris Loreta,

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 2>we had Albi Manns, you know what I mean, like

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:17.280
<v Speaker 2>the Cliff Essential, like Jersey Herdson's right. They were always

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 2>out a deficit because unfortunately, they never had the opportunity

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:25.719
<v Speaker 2>to have equals springtime with the ladies. So when the

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 2>ladies would say these things about each other's husband, however

0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:32.360
<v Speaker 2>the woman felt about that person's husband or friend's husband,

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 2>got a lot of airtime versus the man trying to

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:36.760
<v Speaker 2>defend himself.

0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:39.280
<v Speaker 1>And I felt that way Gibson.

0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 2>When I was watching this author Reil special and Louis

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>said the comment about I hope your son suffers, which, again, you,

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 2>me and.

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 1>The world all agreed that was bad to say, but.

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 2>To hear Melissa, Danielle, Rachel and Margaret say and agree

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 2>that's the worst thing that was ever said on the show,

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:07.280
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, Okay, guys, yes, we all can agree

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 2>it was a bad thing to say, but this is

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 2>this is the problem that I have.

0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Y'all go the extra mile with now.

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Using these buzzwords where it's the worst thing that was said,

0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, really, cause five minutes ago, Danielle said

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 2>the one thing she regrets was not killing Jennifer Aided,

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I think, I think that's worst thing

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:37.839
<v Speaker 2>to say you want to end someone's life than.

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Saying you want someone's son to suffer.

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Again, both are bad, but if I had to equate

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:48.360
<v Speaker 2>the two, I would give a point one up to

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Danielle's comment as one of the worst things that I

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 2>have heard, not on the show because I haven't done

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 2>my research like that, but definitely in this episode.

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think, I mean I cringe when she said that.

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:03.880
<v Speaker 3>I was like that was that's not the right answer

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 3>to Oh Fessler saying, oh, you regret this? Right, She

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:09.399
<v Speaker 3>kind of gave her the layup to like say, yeah,

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 3>I do. She shouldn't, she should not have said that.

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 3>I think part of that, and I agree what Louis

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:15.600
<v Speaker 3>say is not the worst things I've ever been said

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 3>on this show, for sure. But what gave it the

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 3>sort of air of like kind of sent chills down

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 3>your spine is because he met the way he said it,

0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 3>and sort of knowing that he has these accusations that

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:31.479
<v Speaker 3>he did hire private investigators, and he's calling the son

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 3>at his job and all these different things, it almost

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:39.359
<v Speaker 3>feels like in their minds there's a chance he would

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:41.320
<v Speaker 3>follow through on that wish or something, you know what

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Like it has this like air of like

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 3>just kind of it felt a little bit like a

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:51.319
<v Speaker 3>dangerous comment to make because it could have real world

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:53.840
<v Speaker 3>implications or something like that sort of thing. What the

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 3>subtext of the feeling was when he said that in

0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 3>that group's mind, that's sort of how I read that

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 3>and and their reaction to it in the watch party,

0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:04.880
<v Speaker 3>If that makes sense.

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:07.359
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, I get that. But if that's

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 2>how they felt. Then I would feel that, Okay, is

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Danielle going to also live up to hurt threats because.

0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 3>And again she's gotten physic because she's gotten physical twice

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 3>this season.

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again I'm not picking size. I don't think

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 2>any of them would do anything crazy. I but but

0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:29.239
<v Speaker 2>but for me, it was more so about like it

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 2>was good for the goose and good for the gander.

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:35.240
<v Speaker 3>What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you?

0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Is that what you said? I don't even now.

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that picks up if I if

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.880
<v Speaker 2>I did it wrong, who cares? Fact, you guys get it.

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 2>You guys are smarter than the fifth grader. So y'all,

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 2>y'all get it. But again, that's that's what I wanted

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:54.640
<v Speaker 2>to offer up as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. The

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:57.799
<v Speaker 2>second and last question I have for you, which is

0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 2>also all over social media including Netflix, including Page six,

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:09.840
<v Speaker 2>People Magazine, and Honey even Deadline, is the biggest question

0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:14.040
<v Speaker 2>of not only this podcast history, but the biggest question

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 2>that really solidifies where we are with this show. Gibbsoni

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 2>John's who stays or who goes? Does Melissa stay or

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:28.920
<v Speaker 2>does Teresa stay You can only choose one and tell

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:29.720
<v Speaker 2>me why.

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 3>And this is who I want, not who I think,

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 3>this is who you want. I would like for Melissa

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 3>on her side of the group to stay. That is

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:39.439
<v Speaker 3>what I would like.

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and tell me why.

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:47.000
<v Speaker 3>I personally think that that side of the group moves

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 3>on from things quicker and easier. I think Teresa holds

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:52.680
<v Speaker 3>on to a lot of things. I think she's given

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:55.160
<v Speaker 3>a lot to the show. I think she's had an

0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 3>amazing arc on this show. But also with if she stays,

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Louis stays and I don't really like watching him. I

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:04.759
<v Speaker 3>don't think he's fun to watch it all. You know,

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 3>if you think about it, it's like if you, let's

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 3>just say you took Teresa and Jennifer Aden out of

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 3>the equation, you're still left with five or six women

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 3>who are part of a cast that we would have

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 3>familiarity with, and you can fill You could easily fill

0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 3>in people with that group and they would accept them

0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:24.279
<v Speaker 3>and create a new friend group basically. And that's that's

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 3>what I think. I think that it's a little bit

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 3>more dynamic on that side in terms of openness to

0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:31.960
<v Speaker 3>new people and and and moving on personally, that's what

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 3>I think. And I'm sure that a lot of your

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 3>listeners are rolling their eyes right now, and you know what,

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:40.239
<v Speaker 3>I understand that. But you asked me the question, and

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:42.839
<v Speaker 3>I and and and the reason why I clarified want

0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 3>versus think is that I don't think that's what's going

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:46.719
<v Speaker 3>to happen, but that's what I would want to happen.

0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Now, obviously I want some reason to stay listen,

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:52.919
<v Speaker 2>and that's why we're doing this of course, of course,

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 2>of course of cars. And after this, I want I

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:57.680
<v Speaker 2>want to hear why you think, because obviously you think

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:01.319
<v Speaker 2>they'll choose Theresa. But the reason I think and I

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 2>would want, right, So I'll answer both. I think and

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:08.919
<v Speaker 2>would want Teresa to stay. Not only it's because she's

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:12.160
<v Speaker 2>my friend. Not only it's because in real life, I've

0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:15.440
<v Speaker 2>seen this woman single handedly become the face of the show.

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Working with her for the first two seasons of the

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:20.799
<v Speaker 2>of the series, I've seen her also give everything to

0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 2>the show.

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:21.759
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 2>I've also seen her go to camp and having the

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:31.080
<v Speaker 2>entire production be put on pause until she came back,

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 2>which to me was the biggest indicator that the power

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 2>that this woman has in terms of like not even

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 2>saying like don't film no that the network saying like

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 2>what are we going to do here? And also think

0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:47.279
<v Speaker 2>from a bigger picture, Gibson from my pov obviously being

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:49.839
<v Speaker 2>in this seat, being a producer and executive and.

0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 1>All the all the other stuff.

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 2>These shows are run by advertisers, and I think when

0:46:55.520 --> 0:47:00.440
<v Speaker 2>you look at selling ads to this franchise, if you

0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:04.880
<v Speaker 2>tell an advertiser that, hey, Melissa is the face of

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the show, They're gonna say Melissa McCarthy, Melissa Etheridge, Melissa

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Joan Hart. Like tell me, it's not Melissa Gorga, Like

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:20.319
<v Speaker 2>who's the face of this show that you want us

0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 2>to like buy ad dollars for? Because that doesn't make

0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:28.400
<v Speaker 2>any sense. And again, this is no shade towards towards Melissa.

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.520
<v Speaker 2>I've said on my podcast several times that I think

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:37.839
<v Speaker 2>Silo she's a great housewife. She's beautiful, she's funny, I

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:42.240
<v Speaker 2>love her family. She's she's a she's a beautiful great mother,

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 2>and you cannot take that away from her. She's a

0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 2>great mom, an excellent mother. In fact, she's and she

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 2>on paper right is a great housewife. And I'm gonna

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:55.960
<v Speaker 2>say something to you, give something I never said on

0:47:56.000 --> 0:48:00.880
<v Speaker 2>my podcast. So you get this clusive, honey, Okay, here

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 2>we go.

0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I told you I love you for a reason.

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Gifts and hello.

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:11.760
<v Speaker 2>When I learned through Teresa that Melissa was joining season

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:14.799
<v Speaker 2>three of the show, and I told this story of

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 2>how Teresa called me because they pretty much said to her, like, girl,

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:23.799
<v Speaker 2>she's shooting tomorrow, pretty much right, and she asked me

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:26.560
<v Speaker 2>what I thought about Melissa, and mind you, at this time,

0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 2>I've seen Melissa twice, so this whole thing about Melissa

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:35.080
<v Speaker 2>and Joe will never invited. I met Melissa at Audriana's

0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 2>christening where Dina Manziel was the godmother, and I said

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 2>this to Teresa's Okay, I said, well, honey, she is pretty,

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:48.800
<v Speaker 2>and I don't blame them for casting her like I

0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:49.759
<v Speaker 2>said that.

0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I never one said, oh my god, she's awful. She's this.

0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 2>I said to my friend Teresa, I mean she's a

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:00.600
<v Speaker 2>pretty woman and I could see why, and I said

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:02.239
<v Speaker 2>to her, like, look, bitch, I think this.

0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:03.479
<v Speaker 1>I think this.

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:09.839
<v Speaker 2>Will be great for the show because I've always believed that.

0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be honest with my girls.

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:16.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm honest that Way, to Ninnie, Lisa, Kenya Moore, to

0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:18.840
<v Speaker 2>all my girls, Portia. The list goes on and on.

0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:21.359
<v Speaker 2>So for all the people who think I'm a hater

0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 2>of Melissa, I'm not. I'm the one who said to Teresa, no,

0:49:26.719 --> 0:49:30.480
<v Speaker 2>I get it. I understand it. She's pretty and she

0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 2>checks all the boxes when it comes to a housewife.

0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:35.879
<v Speaker 2>So I think this will be I think this will

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:38.200
<v Speaker 2>be great for the show. And I said, but at

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:40.239
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, and I did say this,

0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna be very honest, I said, but, bitch,

0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:46.279
<v Speaker 2>this is your show. Don't let nobody run you off

0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:50.400
<v Speaker 2>your show. This is your shit. So that's that. So

0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:55.120
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to Teresa Melissa, that's my thing. And

0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I also think this as well. I think this, but

0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 2>this is not what I want. I think the powers

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:11.080
<v Speaker 2>that be will choose Teresa and Dolores to lead the

0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 2>new iteration of Jersey. I think it's those two, and

0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:18.120
<v Speaker 2>I think they may. They may, and I'm fifty fifty

0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:22.319
<v Speaker 2>on this. They may choose between Rachel and Danielle. And

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:27.120
<v Speaker 2>if I had to choose between Rachel and Danielle, and

0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm being very honest here, I would choose Danielle only

0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:37.439
<v Speaker 2>because to me, Danielle is a reality star.

0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 3>She's made for TV.

0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Is in her bones, it's it's it's it's on her

0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:48.640
<v Speaker 2>IMDb page, based on all the work she did to

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:49.520
<v Speaker 2>get here.

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:53.680
<v Speaker 1>And I think I think that although.

0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:58.800
<v Speaker 2>What I would want, I would want Jennifer Aiden to stay,

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think that would happen.

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:02.400
<v Speaker 1>But I would want her to say gohey Gibson.

0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:05.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, that's what I think is gonna happen as well.

0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:08.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't I I don't get a good feeling in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of like Jennifer's relationship to the network and like

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<v Speaker 3>what they're thinking about what she's allegedly been doing behind

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<v Speaker 3>the scenes and influencing production and all of that. But

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<v Speaker 3>I and I think if you took her out of

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<v Speaker 3>the equation, Teresa would be much more amenable to working

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:26.839
<v Speaker 3>with Danielle instead of Rachel. I think that Teresa's done

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<v Speaker 3>with the food as it seems, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I for the same reason that you think

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<v Speaker 3>and want Teresa, That's what I think they're gonna do,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's gotten to a point where she's so inextricable

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<v Speaker 3>from the show, like they're interchangeable and if there's no

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<v Speaker 3>denying that she's given so much the show and all that,

0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:47.040
<v Speaker 3>you don't reac I don't have to rehash it, but

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<v Speaker 3>like that's undeniable and she's such a bankable star. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's what I think will happen. I just I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. It's just sort of like I'm just so

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<v Speaker 3>curious how they would fill that in. I guess, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like that's a lot of spots to fill with with

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<v Speaker 3>with new women. So I'm not saying they can't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not. And Dolores and Teresa, that's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>star power right there. So and that's a that's a

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<v Speaker 3>genuine connection. And I feel like if they did that,

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<v Speaker 3>do you think they would bring you back anybody to

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<v Speaker 3>also to like also kind of give it another like

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<v Speaker 3>the next season, another calling card, like would they bring

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<v Speaker 3>back at Jacqueline, would they bring back you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like just to like have it be like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we're keeping Dolores and Teresa, but we're also bringing.

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<v Speaker 1>Back Yes, I definitely think this. I think sort.

0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:39.640
<v Speaker 3>Of like Atlanta, how they what they were trying to

0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:41.959
<v Speaker 3>do this past this current season. Yeah, like we're keeping

0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 3>Kenya and Drew, and then we're bringing back Porsche and

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:46.400
<v Speaker 3>bringing back Cynthia as a friend sort of thing, and

0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:47.319
<v Speaker 3>then the other ones are new.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Jacqueline would have been up front and sent

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<v Speaker 2>her if she wasn't in California.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a that's a that's a big curve.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if Jacqueline lived, yeah you're Jersey Jack and

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<v Speaker 2>would have would have been asked back. Listen, it will

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<v Speaker 2>never happen. It will never, ever, ever, ever ever happened.

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Dina Manzo as well. I think Caroline, we know that's

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<v Speaker 2>not that's not happening now, honey, you want to shake

0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:19.560
<v Speaker 2>the table, stop Danielle Stobb.

0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:27.760
<v Speaker 3>No pun intended with the table reference right, shaking a table?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh honey, I would like to see that, but

0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I know that that's also maybe a dark horse in

0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:34.400
<v Speaker 2>a situation.

0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:38.480
<v Speaker 1>So look, so that's why.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, I think we won't see anyone else. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Teresa and Dolores makes sense. Their friends. Dolores is Switzerland,

0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:50.239
<v Speaker 2>but she's loyal to Teresa. Teresa needs a friend, I think, Danielle,

0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:53.399
<v Speaker 2>and my last exclusive for you is this my gut

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<v Speaker 2>said to me last night, this show was built on family.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the difference between Jersey Housewives and the other franchisees,

0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:03.600
<v Speaker 2>because each franchise has its own specialness to it right,

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.400
<v Speaker 2>their own entry point, and the entry print in this

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:12.680
<v Speaker 2>was family. Danielle Cabral, she has such an interesting family

0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:17.840
<v Speaker 2>dynamic that I would cast her family to.

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's interesting, Yeah, bravo.

0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:22.200
<v Speaker 1>You're listening, Hi.

0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I would cast Danielle's family Danielle Cabral's family because there

0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:28.800
<v Speaker 2>seems to be a lot there that I would like

0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:31.400
<v Speaker 2>to see, because I don't want Jersey to miss the

0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:33.879
<v Speaker 2>plot anymore. And when it comes to Melissa, I will

0:54:33.920 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 2>say this, I think the network loves Melissa. I think

0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Melissa would judge a fashion show on E I think

0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Melissa would do things on Peacock with Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Melissa is like you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, I don't, yeah, gone out for good. I also

0:54:49.960 --> 0:54:52.400
<v Speaker 3>think that there's something to be said about like whatever

0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:56.240
<v Speaker 3>route they take going forward, maybe that route lasts for

0:54:56.560 --> 0:55:00.200
<v Speaker 3>a couple of years, a few years, and then I think,

0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:02.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's closed off to bringing back some

0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:04.759
<v Speaker 3>of those women whoever they let go of. You know what,

0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:07.839
<v Speaker 3>I mean, like, so depending on how successful whatever they

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:10.520
<v Speaker 3>do is, like, that's always a possibility as well. So

0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:13.520
<v Speaker 3>I totally agree with you. I mean, yeah, she's a

0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:17.000
<v Speaker 3>bankable star in and of herself, and so I think

0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:18.359
<v Speaker 3>she'll stay involved for sure.

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