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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality the King.

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Speaker 2: It's me Carlos Kings the King of Reality TV and

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Speaker 2: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality

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Speaker 2: television with over ten years of production experience. Twice a

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Speaker 2: week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with

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Speaker 2: my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows,

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Speaker 2: and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and

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Speaker 1: Hey rain Drops. On the SAME's episode of Reality King,

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Speaker 1: we have to discuss the end of an error, not

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Speaker 1: the end of an era, my sweet darlings.

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Speaker 2: It's the end of an error, because I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: why we did not get a reunion like that Off

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Speaker 2: the World special was.

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Speaker 1: Not off the chain.

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Speaker 2: It was office Rocker and I want to like hop

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Speaker 2: off of this train that I was on watching that

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Speaker 2: one hour. But I have a special guest because I

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Speaker 2: could not do this episode alone because we have to

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Speaker 2: debate like the new cast for next season, and I

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Speaker 2: want somebody who I know is going to disagree with

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Speaker 1: We're gonna beak for a great conversation.

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Speaker 2: So give it up for the lovely entertainment journalist reporter.

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Speaker 2: In addition to podcast host Gibson.

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Speaker 3: John's Carlos always a pleasure you on my show. I

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Speaker 3: was on your show before that. We're just kind of

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Speaker 3: we're going back and forth, and I like, again, we

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Speaker 3: do disagree with one another a good amount, but it's

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Speaker 3: a cordial disagreement and that's what we love.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely absolutely, it's very cordial, which is how things

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Speaker 2: should be. So let's get right into it. That Off

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Speaker 2: the Rail special was a waste of my time. I'm

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Speaker 2: just listen. My audience knows. I keep it straight, no chaser.

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Speaker 2: It was a waste of time. I do not understand

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Speaker 2: for the life of me why there could not be

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Speaker 2: a reunion because the finale, to me, by the way,

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Speaker 2: one of the most epic finales Jersey had so but

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Speaker 2: it wasn't that bad to where I felt like the

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Speaker 2: cast could not address each other and even if they

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Speaker 2: just don't ever be friends again. I felt like we

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Speaker 2: last season's epic three part reunion, which I like to

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Speaker 2: call it was the Teresa Versus Melissa show, and I

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Speaker 1: But let me hear from you. What did you think

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Speaker 1: about the Off the Rails special.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had kept on saying, you know, the

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Speaker 3: audience will see, they'll understand why we couldn't do reunion.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that that has fully connected. I have

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Speaker 3: a watch party whatever. Even it was just too unstructured

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Speaker 3: I just felt like, if we're gonna keep them in

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Speaker 3: kind of other than a couple of moments I found interesting,

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Speaker 2: I just felt like, honey, I could go on YouTube

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Speaker 3: Like I don't fully understand that. I don't fully understand

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Speaker 2: We all know where we were when Beyonce dropped a

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Speaker 1: And at that time, it may have.

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Speaker 2: To your point, Gibson, you have to talk about it

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Speaker 3: I don't think. I thought. I thought that she had

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Speaker 2: Personally, I was joking Gifts, That's why I said, dancing around.

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Speaker 2: It was obvious, yeah, mistic and I loved you it,

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Speaker 1: We want to see a reunion.

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Speaker 3: the season, Carlos, I was like, so on the Fessler

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Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I listen. I think Jenfesler is a

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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, And that's where it is for me.

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Speaker 3: It is it for that reason? Or what else do

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Speaker 1: What it is? Is this?

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Speaker 2: When you decide to get on reality television, you're signing

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Speaker 2: That is tough, right. It's all about the intention. And

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Speaker 4: Christina's Coast, they're like, okay, girl signed up to do

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Speaker 1: I'd rather see you on selling the OC.

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Speaker 3: She's a watchable woman that maybe not built for housewives

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Speaker 2: We break bread and dishes right, shut out to Rihanna,

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, Jennifer, Teresa, and Jackie

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Speaker 1: You're pretty safe, y Fessler. So I thought Fessler was

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Speaker 3: She's and she's also friends with Dolores and Jackie who

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Speaker 2: Now, what was eventful watching? Because I know a lot

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Speaker 2: If Teresa does anything I disagree with, just like I

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Speaker 1: You know he's going to get rid for that. Not okay,

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Speaker 2: And she's like no, And Teresa got an attitude. So

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Speaker 2: She don't either for the rectors on those people, I

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say that too. Delores is Teresa's real friend. No,

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Speaker 2: that's what she gave Dolores. She immediately defended her husband

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Speaker 1: That's what we want to see. So I love that relationship.

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Speaker 2: Who I hate you interrupt, but stay tuned for more.

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show. The relationship between Margaret

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Speaker 2: I'm calling it this guy's so leave me alone, the meeting.

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Speaker 1: To take down Louie.

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Speaker 2: I'm calling it that, Okay, the Louis takedown, not at

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Speaker 4: So the Laura's reaction was so amazing, and it was

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Speaker 1: You and I did, GiB said.

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Speaker 4: And even the Lauris looked a little bit This is

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Speaker 1: Was there no Shay, Rachel? They all alive? Like wow.

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Speaker 2: Delores had a strong reaction, and that's when Margaret said,

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Speaker 1: Settle.

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Speaker 2: This wasn't for all, Gibson, Who do you believe, Margaret

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Speaker 3: then like that makes her look bad at Teresa. I

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00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 3: don't think that was like the active implication of Margaret

438
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: saying that, because it was a pretty in passing comment,

439
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: no you're invited. Also, why is Frank Senior invited to

440
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: this meeting? But Delores wouldn't be invited to the meeting

441
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 3: there there there are there are things that make me

442
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: believe that Margaret did invite her, but I also believe

443
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: it was in passing. That's my that's my read on

444
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 3: the situation.

445
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: So do you believe.

446
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: That Delores catanyam hm was was giving you all her

447
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: best cappy based performance when she stood up and caught

448
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 2: her seat. Where, Like, was she acting or do you

449
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 2: believe like she really did not remember?

450
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think she was acting that. To me,

451
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: that was a very genuine reaction, like she and they

452
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 3: were all like, I mean, even Teresa was like dlorus,

453
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 3: I've never seen me that mad before. So I think

454
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 3: that she thought that character was under assassination basically in

455
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: that moment. Do you think it was like a really

456
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: intense reaction to what was being talked about as they

457
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: all reacted in this watch party we saw. No, I

458
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: don't think she was acting. I just think that, like

459
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 3: I guess, as Margaret said, like they remember it differently,

460
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: and I think that, Yeah, I mean, it's really it's

461
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: really an insane scene to watch, especially when you rewatch

462
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 3: it uncensored on Peacock. It was like when you when

463
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 3: you hear her say f ing C word, like without

464
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 3: being blurred, You're like, holy shit, and the veins popping

465
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 3: on her head and you're like, oh my god, Like

466
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: this is this is this again? This is this is

467
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 3: Jersey fucking Housewives.

468
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: This is anything else, Lark, this is not Christina on

469
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: the Coast, This is not HGTV, this is not Discovery,

470
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: like you're on the rough Housewalder Jersey Baby, like we

471
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: want the.

472
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: Action right right.

473
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: And I think the last thing I'll say about like,

474
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: I think what's really interesting for dlors being in the

475
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 3: middle of these two I think it's really in the

476
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: middle of two friendships. It's the Teresa friendship and the

477
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 3: Margaret friendship. Like those are people that she's the closest

478
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 3: with in this group, I think. And Theresa is a

479
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 3: really old loyal friend like that they go back decades,

480
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 3: and Margaret is somebody who she's gotten closer to within

481
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: the last decade. And I believe they are super super close.

482
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: But new and old friendships are different, especially I think

483
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: in like an Italian community too, it's like loyalty is

484
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 3: so valued and dlores is family, I think to Teresa.

485
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 3: So it's like those two things I think are in

486
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 3: conflict and Dolores's head at all times, which is like,

487
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 3: Margaret is somebody I talked to every single day. We're

488
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: emotionally close. It was through this experience and they've gotten

489
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 3: so close. But Teresa's somebody I've known since I was

490
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: back in Patterson, you know, and that's a hard conflict

491
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 3: to work through. I think as a human.

492
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: One of the things that I did not understand until

493
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: Gibson and I want to know if you have any

494
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: information or knowledge about this. I was not aware that

495
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: Dolores and Margaret were close.

496
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: I've known that for years.

497
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so okay, So in my defense, I do watch

498
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: the show. I never put it like this. I've always

499
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: always thought the closest friend Margaret had when she got

500
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: on the show was Siggy. That's that's what I got.

501
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: That's what I came across when joined. Yeah, like, oh,

502
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: she's close with Siggy. Okay, fine, her and Delores know

503
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: each other, Okay, great, And then I'm like, oh, her

504
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: besties are Melissa and Jackie. Like I went through watching

505
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 2: the shows and the seasons thinking like, oh, Margaret's closer

506
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: to Melissa and Jackie.

507
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: How long.

508
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: Were Dolores and Margaret friends before the show or once

509
00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: she got.

510
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 3: On the I think they've basically been getting really close

511
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: since Margaret joined the show, sort of beyond the show.

512
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: Like you're right, their friendship has not been spotlighted on

513
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: the show very much or at all that much. But

514
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: I remember because I've been interviewing them for years, and

515
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 3: like I want to say, maybe three or four years ago,

516
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: I remember Margaret saying that she talked to do Lauras

517
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: every single day. I remember that, Yeah, they would be

518
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 3: on the phone or textly every day or something. I

519
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: remember her saying that they interview a long time ago

520
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: with me, and so it was sort of outside of

521
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: the context of the show. Definitely, they became close via

522
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: working together on the show, but they grew really.

523
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: Very cube book call buddies, like you know.

524
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: No, no, no, because it wasn't It wasn't because of

525
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: the show. It never was spotlighted on the show. I

526
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: think they were genuinely close, and they let it kind

527
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: of exist outside of any storyline or outside of any

528
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: team Melissa team Teresa kind of thing, because it does

529
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: complicate that dynamic, you know what I mean. So I

530
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: don't know, that's sort of how I read it, and

531
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: I kind of think that it's been brought to the

532
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: forefront with Dolores in this It spotlighted Dolores's placed more

533
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: in the middle than maybe it came across in other seasons,

534
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: especially since Louie is ended the picture and Margaret has

535
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: kind of taken a firmer stance against you know, Louis

536
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: and Teresa, you know what I mean, And and kind

537
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: of that divide has obviously been widened as the years

538
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: have gone on. So that's that's my read on it,

539
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: that they've been It's not like they weren't friends before

540
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: the show, but they've gotten really close and probably the

541
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: past like five years, that's what I would say.

542
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about Jackie Golschneider, who to me was

543
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: a sleeper hit.

544
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: Yes, no, like sorry, guys.

545
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: I love a good reveal, and yeah, listen, I'll give

546
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: Jackie this much.

547
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: At least she copped to it.

548
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: And I I am not sure if I was in

549
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: jackie shoes Gibson that I would be sitting next to

550
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: Teresa admitting that I lied about meeting with her husband's

551
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: ex because I felt like Teresa could have punched her

552
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: in the face, right next to her. Upon hearing that information,

553
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: the complete opposite happened. Teresa said, Okay, it's fine. Teresa

554
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: doubled down on it, doing this off the rail special that. Look,

555
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: I understand why you did it. It's because you thought

556
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: I was coming for your husband, Evan, and I was

557
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: trying to ruin your marriage. So Teresa forgave Jackie. What

558
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: do you think about that? Do you think Teresa forgave

559
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: Jackie just to spite Margaret, or do you really believe

560
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: that Teresa is like, listen, it's I for an eye.

561
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm a tough bitch. I get it. That's what we do.

562
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: I forgive you.

563
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: I kind of think it's little bit of both. I

564
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 3: think in the moment, she did not want to give

565
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: Margaret anything at that lunch, and Margaret's reveal was genuinely

566
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: pretty big and delivered well. And U subpoenaed the wrong

567
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: bitch the whole nine yards Like that was a moment,

568
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: you know, like.

569
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: Which, By the way, brain drops, that is an epic.

570
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: Lyne It's the line of season.

571
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: Yes, it's that. That's pretty epic. Usa, the poin of

572
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: the wrong Bitch, I love it.

573
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: Come on, come on, yeah, I think But I do.

574
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: And then so I think the initial thing is not

575
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: giving Margaret anything, but I think, you know, like you

576
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: said earlier, Teresa sometimes like needs a moment to like

577
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: really like process something like like a big reveal like

578
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: that or whatever. And I think that she realized that,

579
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: like it is, it kind of was eye for an

580
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: eye kind of kind of did make sense that Jackie

581
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: was in contact with the woman who was exposing a

582
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: fake affair rumor about her husband on National TV. Like

583
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: you know, Teresa is basically saying like I would have

584
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: done the same thing basically, and you know what she understood,

585
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: and so like I think that both of those things

586
00:31:59,400 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: can be true.

587
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: Time where do we go from here?

588
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: Gibson, So the author Rail special is ending. It was

589
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: so anti climatic because Gibson, the moment these sort of

590
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: episodes of watching ended, they all looked around like do

591
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: we get the bill?

592
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: Like do we do? We just walk?

593
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: It was so uncomfortable, Like they all look awkward the

594
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: way Jackie did walking back to her car. They're walking

595
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: backwards once she heard people, you know, with the earshot,

596
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, with with the with the do in her pants,

597
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: you know, So it was so awkward they.

598
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: Were like, so what do we do? Then they had

599
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: a confessional. I'm like a.

600
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: Confessional at the end like, oh my god, whatever I digress?

601
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: I was whatever, I'm over it. Okay, where do we

602
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: go from here? Because I want to play a game

603
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: with you, Gibson, because that's how much I adore you.

604
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: Oh oh sure, okay, on.

605
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: Game and on.

606
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: And that's how much you stand on business. So my

607
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: first question for you, Gibson after you play this game.

608
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: Is called Gibson with the gab.

609
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: I'm known to have a gab.

610
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: Can you subscribe this podcast? Okay?

611
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: Where to heat your podcast? Ye?

612
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, I love you some Gibson. Okay, Gibson

613
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: who is responsible for the destruction of the Real Housewives

614
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: of New Jersey Louis I said what I said, Oh.

615
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: Nini Gibson. Okay, all right, so no, no Gibson, rain drops.

616
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: Gibson has the floor. Gibson, explain yourself.

617
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: I think that when Louie entered the picture, that is,

618
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 3: when things just crossed various sorts of line. They became

619
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: more severe, more divided, more dangerous feeling in some elements

620
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: of that, private investigators were hired and people were called

621
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: who aren't on the show, and it just felt like

622
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: he's the person that also pushed the other side away

623
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: from Teresa even more the kind I just think that

624
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 3: it it made the divide unresolvable in a way that like, yeah,

625
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: we've been talking about Melissa and Teresa for fifteen years

626
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: or whoever long it's been, but it was always they

627
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: always kind of came back around, and they would they

628
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: would fight again, and they would like resolve and and

629
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: I think it's refreshing that they last season at the

630
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: reunion finally were like, no, we hate each other. But

631
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: that also is because there was no way back. And

632
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: I think that that's because of him. I think he's

633
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: been driving a wedge between Teresa and people in her life,

634
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: and that made the show toxic. I think that's that's

635
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: that's what I think.

636
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: You are a brave man. Gifts and John's I love

637
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: you dearly. I could not do this episode without anyone

638
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: but listen.

639
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sure Boddo will be investigating in forty seconds,

640
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 3: but you know what he has. He has this AirPod

641
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: taffed already.

642
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, gives a shut up.

643
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 5: I mean they're friends, Okay, Okay, So when people say

644
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 5: because based on social media comments, people have said Louis.

645
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: Then there's people who have said Margaret Joseph's is the

646
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 2: person who ruined Jersey and and obviously Gibson. What I'm saying,

647
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: you've seen two on social media. It's only those two

648
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: names that come up when people assign a person to

649
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: the to the the destruction of the show.

650
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: So what do you say to people who think it's Margaret?

651
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: Though? I think that Margaret is one of the most

652
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: savvy housewives that exists across any franchise right now. And

653
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: I think that the people that say that, not everybody. Sorry.

654
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people that say that are

655
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 3: just really clouded by their loyalty to Teresa in a

656
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: way that I think that Margaret Teresa is one of

657
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: the best to ever do it, obviously, and that that

658
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: has created the amount that she has shared on the

659
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: show has created such a loyalty to her, And it

660
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: makes sense to me. It makes sense why people are

661
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: so loyal to Teresa. There's there's a protectiveness over her.

662
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: Margaret has emerged as the true probably loan threat to Teresa.

663
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: Teresa and her they've had moments where they get along,

664
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: but I think that they are both sort of threatened

665
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 3: by one another. And I think that is because Margaret's

666
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: really good at this too, and she has not been

667
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: around for as long. If you think back to this season,

668
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 3: the three biggest moments of this season that will stand

669
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: in the test of time, I think the screen shots

670
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: sent to Dolores mid conversation, the funeral arrangement, flowers, and

671
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: this final reveal at the last at the last lunch

672
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: about Jackie. Those were all Margaret. That shows how good

673
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: she is at this, I think, And I see why

674
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 3: people will blame her for ruining the show quote unquote,

675
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: because it's in a lot of those people's minds Teresa's show,

676
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: so inherently she is trying to bring down the Teresa

677
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: Show and make it not the Teresa's show. Probably, but

678
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: that's how I would respond to that. I think that

679
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: I think that it speaks to how good Margaret is

680
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: at being a housewife. And maybe maybe maybe they're all

681
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: in too deep that I think that's kind of the

682
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: through line with Jersey. They're all kind of like they

683
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: can't see above the above the horizon. With Jersey, they're

684
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: all really in this and that's why allegedly some of

685
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: them are talking to bloggers and and kind of whatever,

686
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: and that's where I think the show has kind of

687
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: gotten broken. But yeah, sorry, long answer, but that's what

688
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 3: I would say.

689
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: You know, I will say this just to give a

690
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: different POV. Yeah, I personally don't blame Louie for the

691
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: demise of the show. I think the writing was on

692
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: the wall before he entered the picture. I think what

693
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: happened is before Theresa met Louis, the show sort of

694
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: lost its momentum because it no longer was a show

695
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: about friendships. It was definitely a show about like being

696
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: savvy and investigations and doing background checks on people and

697
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: discovery and all of those things. And I think all

698
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: of that happened prior to Louie coming on the show.

699
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 2: I think the Real Housewives on New Jersey cast lost

700
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: the plot along the way. I think what happened is

701
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: it was sort of this known thing on the show

702
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: where your either team to resell Team Melissa. And I

703
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: think every new girl came on the show knowing that

704
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: THEESA Melissa's relationship was always fragile, even when there were

705
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: seasons where they got along, I think we all knew

706
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: that they're getting along to get along, but it's not genuine.

707
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 2: And I think the cast more than we did watching

708
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: the show. I think the cast knew that because obviously

709
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: they talk and they're filming every day with each other,

710
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: and I think it became a show where it felt

711
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 2: more like Daylight NBC versus The Real Housewives New Jersey, Right,

712
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: And I just think they lost a plot along the way.

713
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: And also I also think this it's tough for a

714
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: man to get on the show because unfortunately, and that's

715
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: any man.

716
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: This is not just with Louis, This is for Joe Gorga.

717
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: This is for.

718
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: Even back in my day when we had the iconic

719
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: legend Joe Judaics on the show, right, we had Chris Loreta,

720
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: we had Albi Manns, you know what I mean, like

721
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 2: the Cliff Essential, like Jersey Herdson's right. They were always

722
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: out a deficit because unfortunately, they never had the opportunity

723
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: to have equals springtime with the ladies. So when the

724
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: ladies would say these things about each other's husband, however

725
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: the woman felt about that person's husband or friend's husband,

726
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: got a lot of airtime versus the man trying to

727
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 2: defend himself.

728
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: And I felt that way Gibson.

729
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: When I was watching this author Reil special and Louis

730
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: said the comment about I hope your son suffers, which, again, you,

731
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: me and.

732
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: The world all agreed that was bad to say, but.

733
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: To hear Melissa, Danielle, Rachel and Margaret say and agree

734
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: that's the worst thing that was ever said on the show,

735
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Okay, guys, yes, we all can agree

736
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: it was a bad thing to say, but this is

737
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: this is the problem that I have.

738
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: Y'all go the extra mile with now.

739
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: Using these buzzwords where it's the worst thing that was said,

740
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: and I'm like, really, cause five minutes ago, Danielle said

741
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: the one thing she regrets was not killing Jennifer Aided,

742
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I think, I think that's worst thing

743
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 2: to say you want to end someone's life than.

744
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: Saying you want someone's son to suffer.

745
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: Again, both are bad, but if I had to equate

746
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: the two, I would give a point one up to

747
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 2: Danielle's comment as one of the worst things that I

748
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: have heard, not on the show because I haven't done

749
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: my research like that, but definitely in this episode.

750
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I mean I cringe when she said that.

751
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: I was like that was that's not the right answer

752
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 3: to Oh Fessler saying, oh, you regret this? Right, She

753
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 3: kind of gave her the layup to like say, yeah,

754
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 3: I do. She shouldn't, she should not have said that.

755
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: I think part of that, and I agree what Louis

756
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: say is not the worst things I've ever been said

757
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: on this show, for sure. But what gave it the

758
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: sort of air of like kind of sent chills down

759
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: your spine is because he met the way he said it,

760
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: and sort of knowing that he has these accusations that

761
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 3: he did hire private investigators, and he's calling the son

762
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: at his job and all these different things, it almost

763
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 3: feels like in their minds there's a chance he would

764
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 3: follow through on that wish or something, you know what

765
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: I mean, Like it has this like air of like

766
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: just kind of it felt a little bit like a

767
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 3: dangerous comment to make because it could have real world

768
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: implications or something like that sort of thing. What the

769
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 3: subtext of the feeling was when he said that in

770
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: that group's mind, that's sort of how I read that

771
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: and and their reaction to it in the watch party,

772
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 3: If that makes sense.

773
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I get that. But if that's

774
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: how they felt. Then I would feel that, Okay, is

775
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: Danielle going to also live up to hurt threats because.

776
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: And again she's gotten physic because she's gotten physical twice

777
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: this season.

778
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I'm not picking size. I don't think

779
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: any of them would do anything crazy. I but but

780
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: but for me, it was more so about like it

781
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: was good for the goose and good for the gander.

782
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 3: What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

783
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you?

784
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that what you said? I don't even now.

785
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: I don't know how that picks up if I if

786
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: I did it wrong, who cares? Fact, you guys get it.

787
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: You guys are smarter than the fifth grader. So y'all,

788
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: y'all get it. But again, that's that's what I wanted

789
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: to offer up as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. The

790
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: second and last question I have for you, which is

791
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: also all over social media including Netflix, including Page six,

792
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: People Magazine, and Honey even Deadline, is the biggest question

793
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: of not only this podcast history, but the biggest question

794
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: that really solidifies where we are with this show. Gibbsoni

795
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: John's who stays or who goes? Does Melissa stay or

796
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: does Teresa stay You can only choose one and tell

797
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 2: me why.

798
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: And this is who I want, not who I think,

799
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: this is who you want. I would like for Melissa

800
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: on her side of the group to stay. That is

801
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 3: what I would like.

802
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: Yes, and tell me why.

803
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: I personally think that that side of the group moves

804
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: on from things quicker and easier. I think Teresa holds

805
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: on to a lot of things. I think she's given

806
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 3: a lot to the show. I think she's had an

807
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: amazing arc on this show. But also with if she stays,

808
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: Louis stays and I don't really like watching him. I

809
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: don't think he's fun to watch it all. You know,

810
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: if you think about it, it's like if you, let's

811
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: just say you took Teresa and Jennifer Aden out of

812
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: the equation, you're still left with five or six women

813
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: who are part of a cast that we would have

814
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: familiarity with, and you can fill You could easily fill

815
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: in people with that group and they would accept them

816
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: and create a new friend group basically. And that's that's

817
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 3: what I think. I think that it's a little bit

818
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: more dynamic on that side in terms of openness to

819
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: new people and and and moving on personally, that's what

820
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: I think. And I'm sure that a lot of your

821
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: listeners are rolling their eyes right now, and you know what,

822
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 3: I understand that. But you asked me the question, and

823
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 3: I and and and the reason why I clarified want

824
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: versus think is that I don't think that's what's going

825
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: to happen, but that's what I would want to happen.

826
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Now, obviously I want some reason to stay listen,

827
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 2: and that's why we're doing this of course, of course,

828
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: of course of cars. And after this, I want I

829
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: want to hear why you think, because obviously you think

830
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: they'll choose Theresa. But the reason I think and I

831
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: would want, right, So I'll answer both. I think and

832
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 2: would want Teresa to stay. Not only it's because she's

833
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: my friend. Not only it's because in real life, I've

834
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: seen this woman single handedly become the face of the show.

835
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: Working with her for the first two seasons of the

836
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: of the series, I've seen her also give everything to

837
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: the show.

838
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: You know.

839
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: I've also seen her go to camp and having the

840
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: entire production be put on pause until she came back,

841
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: which to me was the biggest indicator that the power

842
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: that this woman has in terms of like not even

843
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: saying like don't film no that the network saying like

844
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: what are we going to do here? And also think

845
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: from a bigger picture, Gibson from my pov obviously being

846
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 2: in this seat, being a producer and executive and.

847
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: All the all the other stuff.

848
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: These shows are run by advertisers, and I think when

849
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: you look at selling ads to this franchise, if you

850
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: tell an advertiser that, hey, Melissa is the face of

851
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: the show, They're gonna say Melissa McCarthy, Melissa Etheridge, Melissa

852
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: Joan Hart. Like tell me, it's not Melissa Gorga, Like

853
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: who's the face of this show that you want us

854
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: to like buy ad dollars for? Because that doesn't make

855
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: any sense. And again, this is no shade towards towards Melissa.

856
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: I've said on my podcast several times that I think

857
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: Silo she's a great housewife. She's beautiful, she's funny, I

858
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 2: love her family. She's she's a she's a beautiful great mother,

859
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: and you cannot take that away from her. She's a

860
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: great mom, an excellent mother. In fact, she's and she

861
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: on paper right is a great housewife. And I'm gonna

862
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: say something to you, give something I never said on

863
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: my podcast. So you get this clusive, honey, Okay, here

864
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: we go.

865
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I told you I love you for a reason.

866
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: Gifts and hello.

867
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 2: When I learned through Teresa that Melissa was joining season

868
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: three of the show, and I told this story of

869
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: how Teresa called me because they pretty much said to her, like, girl,

870
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: she's shooting tomorrow, pretty much right, and she asked me

871
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: what I thought about Melissa, and mind you, at this time,

872
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: I've seen Melissa twice, so this whole thing about Melissa

873
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: and Joe will never invited. I met Melissa at Audriana's

874
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: christening where Dina Manziel was the godmother, and I said

875
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: this to Teresa's Okay, I said, well, honey, she is pretty,

876
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 2: and I don't blame them for casting her like I

877
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: said that.

878
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: I never one said, oh my god, she's awful. She's this.

879
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: I said to my friend Teresa, I mean she's a

880
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: pretty woman and I could see why, and I said

881
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: to her, like, look, bitch, I think this.

882
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 1: I think this.

883
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 2: Will be great for the show because I've always believed that.

884
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest with my girls.

885
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: I'm honest that Way, to Ninnie, Lisa, Kenya Moore, to

886
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: all my girls, Portia. The list goes on and on.

887
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 2: So for all the people who think I'm a hater

888
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: of Melissa, I'm not. I'm the one who said to Teresa, no,

889
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: I get it. I understand it. She's pretty and she

890
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: checks all the boxes when it comes to a housewife.

891
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 2: So I think this will be I think this will

892
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: be great for the show. And I said, but at

893
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: the end of the day, and I did say this,

894
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be very honest, I said, but, bitch,

895
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: this is your show. Don't let nobody run you off

896
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: your show. This is your shit. So that's that. So

897
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: when it comes to Teresa Melissa, that's my thing. And

898
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: I also think this as well. I think this, but

899
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: this is not what I want. I think the powers

900
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: that be will choose Teresa and Dolores to lead the

901
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: new iteration of Jersey. I think it's those two, and

902
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: I think they may. They may, and I'm fifty fifty

903
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: on this. They may choose between Rachel and Danielle. And

904
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: if I had to choose between Rachel and Danielle, and

905
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: I'm being very honest here, I would choose Danielle only

906
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 2: because to me, Danielle is a reality star.

907
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: She's made for TV.

908
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 2: Is in her bones, it's it's it's it's on her

909
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: IMDb page, based on all the work she did to

910
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: get here.

911
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: And I think I think that although.

912
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 2: What I would want, I would want Jennifer Aiden to stay,

913
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: I just don't think that would happen.

914
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: But I would want her to say gohey Gibson.

915
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's what I think is gonna happen as well.

916
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: I don't I I don't get a good feeling in

917
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 3: terms of like Jennifer's relationship to the network and like

918
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: what they're thinking about what she's allegedly been doing behind

919
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: the scenes and influencing production and all of that. But

920
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: I and I think if you took her out of

921
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 3: the equation, Teresa would be much more amenable to working

922
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 3: with Danielle instead of Rachel. I think that Teresa's done

923
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 3: with the food as it seems, you know what I mean? Yeah,

924
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 3: I think I for the same reason that you think

925
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: and want Teresa, That's what I think they're gonna do,

926
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 3: because it's gotten to a point where she's so inextricable

927
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 3: from the show, like they're interchangeable and if there's no

928
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: denying that she's given so much the show and all that,

929
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: you don't reac I don't have to rehash it, but

930
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 3: like that's undeniable and she's such a bankable star. So yeah,

931
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 3: that's that's what I think will happen. I just I

932
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 3: don't know. It's just sort of like I'm just so

933
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 3: curious how they would fill that in. I guess, you know,

934
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 3: like that's a lot of spots to fill with with

935
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 3: with new women. So I'm not saying they can't do it.

936
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 3: I'm not. And Dolores and Teresa, that's a lot of

937
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 3: star power right there. So and that's a that's a

938
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: genuine connection. And I feel like if they did that,

939
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 3: do you think they would bring you back anybody to

940
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: also to like also kind of give it another like

941
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: the next season, another calling card, like would they bring

942
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: back at Jacqueline, would they bring back you know what

943
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: I mean, like just to like have it be like,

944
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: you know, we're keeping Dolores and Teresa, but we're also bringing.

945
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: Back Yes, I definitely think this. I think sort.

946
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 3: Of like Atlanta, how they what they were trying to

947
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,959
Speaker 3: do this past this current season. Yeah, like we're keeping

948
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 3: Kenya and Drew, and then we're bringing back Porsche and

949
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: bringing back Cynthia as a friend sort of thing, and

950
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 3: then the other ones are new.

951
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: That's a great question.

952
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: I think Jacqueline would have been up front and sent

953
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: her if she wasn't in California.

954
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a that's a big curve.

955
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: I think if Jacqueline lived, yeah you're Jersey Jack and

956
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 2: would have would have been asked back. Listen, it will

957
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 2: never happen. It will never, ever, ever, ever ever happened.

958
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: Dina Manzo as well. I think Caroline, we know that's

959
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: not that's not happening now, honey, you want to shake

960
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: the table, stop Danielle Stobb.

961
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 3: No pun intended with the table reference right, shaking a table?

962
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 2: Yes, oh honey, I would like to see that, but

963
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: I know that that's also maybe a dark horse in

964
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: a situation.

965
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: So look, so that's why.

966
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I think we won't see anyone else. I think

967
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 2: Teresa and Dolores makes sense. Their friends. Dolores is Switzerland,

968
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: but she's loyal to Teresa. Teresa needs a friend, I think, Danielle,

969
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 2: and my last exclusive for you is this my gut

970
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: said to me last night, this show was built on family.

971
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: That's the difference between Jersey Housewives and the other franchisees,

972
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: because each franchise has its own specialness to it right,

973
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: their own entry point, and the entry print in this

974
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: was family. Danielle Cabral, she has such an interesting family

975
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: dynamic that I would cast her family to.

976
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting, Yeah, bravo.

977
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: You're listening, Hi.

978
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: I would cast Danielle's family Danielle Cabral's family because there

979
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 2: seems to be a lot there that I would like

980
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 2: to see, because I don't want Jersey to miss the

981
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 2: plot anymore. And when it comes to Melissa, I will

982
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: say this, I think the network loves Melissa. I think

983
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: Melissa would judge a fashion show on E I think

984
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: Melissa would do things on Peacock with Joe.

985
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: I don't think Melissa is like you.

986
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 3: Know, I don't, yeah, gone out for good. I also

987
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 3: think that there's something to be said about like whatever

988
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 3: route they take going forward, maybe that route lasts for

989
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 3: a couple of years, a few years, and then I think,

990
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 3: I don't think it's closed off to bringing back some

991
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 3: of those women whoever they let go of. You know what,

992
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 3: I mean, like, so depending on how successful whatever they

993
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 3: do is, like, that's always a possibility as well. So

994
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. I mean, yeah, she's a

995
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 3: bankable star in and of herself, and so I think

996
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 3: she'll stay involved for sure.

997
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,000
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