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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephane.

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Speaker 1: Never told to your protection of I Heart Radio, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to another Monday Mini. And you know what, I

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Speaker 1: think we need to start having pens on in our

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Speaker 1: episodes so that if we have subjects that are related

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Speaker 1: to each other, because technically we're calling this part two

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Speaker 1: about what's happening with abortion. I guess Rob Wade kind

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Speaker 1: of and uh, we're not going down the sad sack way. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I keep saying that myself. Someone needs to tell me

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Speaker 1: if that's success because I need to stop for this.

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Speaker 1: But in general, Uh, we have just found out that

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Speaker 1: Senate was not able to codify Women's Health Act Protection Act,

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Speaker 1: which I don't think anyone's really surprised, uh, but disappointed. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I will say in the state of Georgia, our senators

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Speaker 1: little better about life. I guess, um, but we we

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Speaker 1: wanted to come in with instead of I'm upset, I'm

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Speaker 1: mad with Hey, these are the things that we can do. Also,

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Speaker 1: how are you? How are you what's going on in

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Speaker 1: have listeners from Chile. We have listeners, international listeners who

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Speaker 1: have been down these routes, um, that could possibly let

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Speaker 1: us know what you think has helped you during this

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Speaker 1: time and this uncertainty when we feel like where our

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Speaker 1: rights are being stripped, um, and that we are no

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Speaker 1: longer allowed to talk about autonomy and we are going

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Speaker 1: also done that. We did an episode on Ireland's vote

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Speaker 1: So we'd love to hear from listeners from Ireland as well. Uh, Mexico.

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Speaker 1: The criminalization starting to be our friends will be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I definitely want to hear from listeners. I've talked to

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Speaker 1: my friends about it. I've talked my family about it.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, UM, and I happened to be very fortunate.

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Speaker 1: I know that's not the case for you, but my

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Speaker 1: and it is one of those things that feels like

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Speaker 1: a domino effect, like and there's a part of me

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Speaker 1: and this means like gay marriage can be like all

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Speaker 1: these things. I'm trying to be like not completely lose it,

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Speaker 1: but those are things that we should keep an eye on. Clearly,

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Speaker 1: we have to be vigilant because there are these machinations,

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Speaker 1: political machinations happening, and it is it is very scary.

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Speaker 1: It's scary to think this is, you know, part of

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Speaker 1: a long term plan that it's going to just impact

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Speaker 1: all of these other things. And it does remind me

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Speaker 1: reminds me of when everyone was like, go get an

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Speaker 1: It feels like that again, right um. But to be fair,

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Speaker 1: there's also conversations about the i U D being illegal

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Speaker 1: That's a whole other conversation that is getting really dark

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Speaker 1: I will say we have already had head listeners are

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Speaker 1: about when it comes to climate activism, is not a

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's it sucks when you're asked like, oh, please,

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Speaker 1: figure out what to do, giving time, taking time out,

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Speaker 1: those are ways of giving UH. And I do want

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