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Speaker 1: Oh here we go on a Monday. We told you

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Speaker 1: it mean not looked like much on paper, but it

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Speaker 1: was gonna be a really good Sunday and it was

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Speaker 1: overtime games already got coordinators getting whacked one hour from now.

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Speaker 1: Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, always plenty

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Speaker 1: of both.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So Cowboys Eagles, Jay Mac it was you know, on paper,

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Speaker 1: we think Dallas's floun entering it. Somehow shoddy has got

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Speaker 1: this offense, at least in moments, playing out of their mind,

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Speaker 1: and it ended up being in wildly, incredibly entertaining game.

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Speaker 1: So let's just start with that one. I said it

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Speaker 1: last week, and I've been a huge critic of the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: They're not as far off as you think since they've

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Speaker 1: made these trades. Okay, a lot of us may own

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Speaker 1: apology to Gerald Wayne Jones Junior. Because Kenny Clark and

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Speaker 1: Quinn Williams deals. Now suddenly you can't run on the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: The Micah Parsons trade well didn't have much of an effect.

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Speaker 1: There's still top three in quarterback rushes. The George Pickens move,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of the heists. Poor Steelers can't

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Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field. George Pickens third of

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Speaker 1: the NFL in touchdowns to Marvi and over shown that

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Speaker 1: dude was great at Texas with the Longhorns. He is healthy,

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Speaker 1: he is super athletic. Two first round picks. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: get an edge to replace Micah, probably a corner. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. The offense works. Man number one in the

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Speaker 1: league and told offense number one in passing, number four

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Speaker 1: in scoring. It works, And because of Pickens and CD

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Speaker 1: Lamb you can't cheat on the run game. So the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are running the ball now better than they have

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Speaker 1: since Zeke in twenty nineteen. Now the old line is

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Speaker 1: hot and cold, better run blocking than pass blocking. But statistically,

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Speaker 1: I know, I know they're only five to five and one.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know they're playing Kansas City and it

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Speaker 1: may not turn out well. But I would rather be

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Speaker 1: Dallas today and have the offense figured out than be

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Speaker 1: the Steelers for the fifth year in a row. Paint

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Speaker 1: of fortune for a defense they can't stop anybody. You

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Speaker 1: say what you want about Dallas, two first round picks,

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Speaker 1: Overshown's healthy, George Pickens, heist a real run game for

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Speaker 1: the first time in forever. And say this for Jerry

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Speaker 1: or Jerald Wayne Jones Sr. He has always been one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent committed the DAK. He has said he's the

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Speaker 1: best leader I've ever had, and yesterday that unflappable leadership

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Speaker 1: trailing twenty one. Nothing throwing. You know he can throw

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Speaker 1: a red zone pick, doesn't matter, it's Dak. It's just noise.

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Speaker 1: A lot of that win was DAK, and Jerry said

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Speaker 1: Dak was indispensable. Micah was great, but he was tradable.

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Speaker 1: And guess what, the Cowboys are still getting a pass rush.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys defense right now is better than it was

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Speaker 1: last year. And with Micah it is you can't run

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Speaker 1: on him now with Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have questions about Shoddy. I didn't think it was

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Speaker 1: the strongest hire. I thought they should have gone heavy

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton, and they didn't. And Jerry doesn't necessarily want

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Speaker 1: to pay coaches big money. But I'll say this for Shoddy.

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Speaker 1: When teams play hard and don't quit, it's something. I mean,

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Speaker 1: nhing and I'm like, oh, come on, I wanted a

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Speaker 1: good game. It's the late window. Give me a game.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to have to watch Jacksonville in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Give me a game. And it was and it's Dak

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Speaker 1: and it's leadership and it's no quit and it's over shown.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Philly's been tempting fate four weeks and

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Speaker 1: nobody can quite beat him. And then the Cowboys do

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Speaker 1: to score twenty four unanswered points against a really really

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Speaker 1: good defense. Credit to everybody, even Matt Eberflus, everybody gets

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Speaker 1: credit for this one. But more than anything, it is Dak,

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Speaker 1: a lot of noise, unflappable. Jerry's always been committed to him.

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Speaker 1: We all own an apology. You know, it's funny you

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Speaker 1: they're losing, Micah, they couldn't defend the run when they

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Speaker 1: made the good deal? Who made the band deal? I

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Speaker 1: said during the Micah deal, good for green Bay, not

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Speaker 1: tear for Dallas. Dallas will be fine because got to

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Speaker 1: get healthy. They got to get some draft picks. So

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Speaker 1: here was Dak and Jerry after.

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Speaker 2: Down twenty one. What did this team draw upon to

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Speaker 1: Our brotherhood one another?

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Speaker 3: You know we got that that touched down before, haven't

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Speaker 3: went high time.

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Speaker 4: We talked about it like we've only been hurting ourselves.

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Speaker 1: We know what we're capable of doing.

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Speaker 4: Come out, stay focused, stick together, and we can win

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Speaker 1: Nobody believed, everybody believed it. We got it done.

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Speaker 5: George has been such an integral part of our story,

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Speaker 5: and he has his story to a degree that that's

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Speaker 1: And I'm so proud for him.

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Speaker 5: Everybody on this team is. And he certainly has absolutely

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Speaker 5: been the difference as we've played over the last two weeks.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this, sometimes you have unintended consequences or

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Speaker 1: unintended benefits of a trade. Right think they thought when

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Speaker 1: George Pickens arrived it would help the run game so much,

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Speaker 1: but you got pickings on one side, CD on the other.

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Speaker 1: You can't just do single coverage. You gotta do some bracketing.

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Speaker 1: You got to play honest. You can't have your safeties

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Speaker 1: two up. So the reality is now the run games working,

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Speaker 1: the old line's getting better, two elite receivers, Dak's on fire.

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Speaker 1: Two first round picks don't need a quarterback, so it

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Speaker 1: could turn two first round picks into five total picks.

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Speaker 1: The great thing about the NFL, it's the League of hope.

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Speaker 1: You can be absolutely awful one year New England and

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Speaker 1: be a number one seed the following year. Potentially. New England.

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Speaker 1: Can't do that in baseball. You can't do that in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. It takes time and acquisitions. That is what

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Speaker 1: is great if you have a reasonable quarterback, and Dak

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Speaker 1: hope full this morning all right. Used to be a saying,

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Speaker 1: how about them Cowboys? How about them Bears? First place?

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Speaker 1: Now Chicago was missing six defensive starters, so let's just

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Speaker 1: suddenly you go into this game with Pittsburgh thinking, oh

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Speaker 1: we can't be boring. We've got to actually, we got

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Speaker 1: to move the ball down the field. And Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 1: he misses open receivers yep. Four straight game under sixty

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Speaker 1: percent completions. But Ben and Caleb is a marriage and

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Speaker 1: both are helping each other out. Ben has provided creative

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Speaker 1: It works. It's never going to be perfect. Caleb gives

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Speaker 1: you all this horsepower, but he does miss some throws.

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Speaker 1: It's just, you know, it's just part of his game.

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Speaker 1: And I said this, I'll always take the upside for

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Speaker 1: some struggles in accuracy. And Ben and Caleb were both

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Speaker 1: incredibly gifted. Right now, they're the number one big play

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Speaker 1: thing about Caleb. If he's your quarterback, there's two or

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Speaker 1: three guarantees. Big arm, big mobility, playmaker loves the big play,

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Speaker 1: and Ben Johnson is providing the structure and the running

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Speaker 1: the one thing about Caleb. There's two or three things

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Speaker 1: we all know about him. But I have said this

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Speaker 1: for years about Caleb. He doesn't get hurt and he

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Speaker 1: doesn't throw picks. If you provide him with a decent

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Speaker 1: just needs structure, he needs a run game. And he's

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Speaker 1: obviously coachable because he's completely eliminated the negative plays. Eleven games.

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Speaker 1: He's been sacked eleven times, And just think about that.

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Speaker 1: That's not because pass rush has died. It's not just

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Speaker 1: and a lot of great athletes in all sports aren't

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Speaker 1: it's a perfect fit. They're facing a very angry Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: But Ben and Caleb addressed the number one issue. Ben say,

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Speaker 1: no negative plays. We can't have these second twenty two's,

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Speaker 1: what we're doing. So they're doing play action, they're doing

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Speaker 1: when you're missing your entire linebacking crew and you're going

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I tell you what. I tell you what.

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Speaker 2: It takes a village. It takes a village.

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Speaker 6: And I'm talking about players, I'm talking about coaches, I'm

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Speaker 6: talking about training staff, I'm talking about everybody in this building.

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Speaker 2: And here we are towards the.

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Speaker 6: Back half the season and our depth is being tested.

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Speaker 6: All right, it would have been so easy to want. Man,

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Speaker 6: how are we gonna win this game? We got no linebacker?

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Speaker 6: On and on and on and on. Man, cradity to

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Speaker 6: you guys, that's number eight.

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Speaker 1: How about that in a day? How about them Cowboys?

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Speaker 1: And how about them Bears in one weekend? J Matt

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Speaker 1: Caleb this season through eleven games, through eleven games has

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Speaker 1: been sacked seventy five percent less than he was last year.

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Speaker 1: At this time. We all talked about it before the season.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about wins. You gotta eliminate the negative

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Speaker 1: plays in sacks. Ben Johnson and Caleb in Unison have

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Speaker 1: and that's the difference. It's what Brady talked about in Belichick.

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Speaker 1: They asked Belichick favorite part of Brady and that set

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Speaker 1: down interview. He goes no negative plays. We always stayed

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Speaker 1: interceptions or a big arm or Brady's You know, Tom

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams the fastest he's ever second fastest release time

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Speaker 1: don't don't, don't don't tease TJ. Watt. He did once

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Speaker 1: You know, people say, listen, these games are ugly. Who

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Speaker 7: Four overtime games, I think, and I just love the

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Speaker 7: They're not Jalen Hurts, but they got some problems somewhere.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. We'll talk about the Chiefs. Colin Wright,

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Speaker 1: Colin Wrong forty five minutes from now, Matt Hasselbeck.

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Speaker 7: on my podcast, Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't

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Speaker 1: Some of you may not remember this, but I do.

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Speaker 1: When George Foreman, Remember George Foreman two point zero, boxing

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Speaker 7: Speaking of wild, the Raiders organization is a wild dumpster fire.

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Speaker 1: Chip Kelly got fired last night. Colin.

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Speaker 7: I don't know how close do you watch that? It

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, not all bad teams are the same.

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Speaker 7: You could argue right now, h that they're the worst

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Speaker 1: Next year anymore.

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Speaker 1: This was twenty one nothing.

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Speaker 9: He's playing like the most valuable player in the league.

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Speaker 1: Listen, DeVante Adams. The Raiders situation wasn't great, either was

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Speaker 7: The Baker Mayfield stuff doesn't sound good. Sound like an

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Speaker 7: I know you said the Eagles stink. Their offensive coordinator

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Speaker 7: By the way, Colin, the Eagles loss is kind of

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if SOFI is a big home

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Speaker 1: good teams over there all planned bad weather. But for

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Speaker 1: the Rams or like the Lions, Lions are they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be live. Yeah, home Field's a big.

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Speaker 7: Deal and Green Bay should have their track team of

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Speaker 7: receivers healthy.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying if RAMS hosts THEAFC NFC.

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Speaker 7: Title game, it really opens things up for the NFC,

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Speaker 7: makes a lot of teams interesting. Final story, Kong we

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Speaker 7: got to talk about, is Lane Kiffin stuff. This is

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Speaker 7: just I'm floored by this. Lane Kiffin is now, you know,

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Speaker 7: deciding between staying at Old Miss, going to LSU, going

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Speaker 7: to Florida, all kinds of nonsense out there. So the

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Speaker 7: ad at Ole Miss has spoken up and said he's

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Speaker 7: expecting a decision after Friday's Egg Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's interesting. Before we were hearing reports that

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Speaker 1: he wanted an answer before the game. Now the ad

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Speaker 1: is lightened up and said smartly, I want an answer

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Speaker 1: after the game. You don't want people.

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Speaker 2: Going like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But in the end, I think we just have

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Speaker 1: to be totally forthright. I like Lane, I text Lane like.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a brilliant guy. I think he's a

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Speaker 1: brilliant football coach. I think he should stay or go

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Speaker 1: to the NFL. I don't think he should bounce around

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Speaker 1: in the SEC's take Yeah, stay at Old Miss, not

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Speaker 1: because you want to be a legend there because they're

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Speaker 1: going to pay a twelve million bucks. You got it?

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Speaker 1: Rolling your offense is great. Or go to the NFL

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Speaker 1: because you know it's college football. NFL is better coaching

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Speaker 1: you're an elite offensive coach or a former player. But

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Speaker 1: my gut feeling is Lane has kind of done Ole Miss.

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Speaker 1: He's not somebody that's gonna you know where the high

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Speaker 1: school letterman jacket, and look, Lane is looking for new challenges.

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Speaker 1: LSU has always been viewed as first or second greatest

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Speaker 1: job in the greatest conference. Georgia and LSU those jobs

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Speaker 1: are NFL factories. So Lane could get the NFL feel

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Speaker 1: without the NFL ownership over breathing down your neck.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and the goofy LSU situation I think knocks it

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Speaker 7: down a peg. Let me just add this, Colin, I

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Speaker 7: looked at Ole Miss is a seven and a half

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Speaker 7: point favorite against Misisippi State, right, so they should win.

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Speaker 7: But going to Stark Vegas, wacky things happen. True arrival regain, Colin,

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Speaker 7: do you know Ole Miss is going to the playoffs

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Speaker 7: and they're basically one bad quarter against Georgia away from

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Speaker 7: being undefeated. Yeah, and he would walk away from a

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Speaker 7: team going to the playoffs. They could win the national Championship.

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Speaker 7: I don't think they would, but they could, and he

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Speaker 7: would walk away from that opportunity to go coach in

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Speaker 7: bets All Rouge.

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Speaker 1: That's insane. I don't understand that. So that's why I

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Speaker 1: think he's saying. I think Nick Saban talked about this.

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Speaker 1: College football's got to solve this. In the NFL, you

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Speaker 1: don't hire somebody that has a job in season, cannot

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Speaker 1: do that. But in college you can. So in life,

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Speaker 1: when you can do something, aggressive people are going to

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Speaker 1: do something. LSU doesn't give a rip about Ole Miss.

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Speaker 1: The SEC is all about W's So this is a

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Speaker 1: college football issue, not a Lane kiff An issue. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the reality is if you didn't have if the attack

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Speaker 1: system in America was an honor system, everybody would cheat

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Speaker 1: on their taxes. You can't because of the IRS. You

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Speaker 1: have to set up boundaries or aggressive people are just

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Speaker 1: gonna do what aggressive people do. So you can blame Lane.

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Speaker 1: He's not. He didn't create it. He's a symptom of

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Speaker 1: but he didn't cause it. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So the other thing is before the playoff, right, Colin,

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Speaker 7: there were exhibition bowl games and if a coach leaves

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Speaker 7: before you're playing in the Peach Bowl, Noody cares. But

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Speaker 7: the playoff, that to me is totally different. I'll be honest,

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Speaker 7: I'll be surprised if he leaves. I know Florida lsu.

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Speaker 7: I just that would be shocking.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the news, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd

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Speaker 2: Line News.

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Speaker 1: So I always said this all the years I've been

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Speaker 1: doing this and relying on executives in the NFL who

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Speaker 1: I text and talk to. I'd never seen a quarterback

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Speaker 1: that I viewed as a mid first mid second round

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Speaker 1: quarterback going to the fifth round. And then there were

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Speaker 1: stories that came out about shaduor Sanders that kind of

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Speaker 1: explained it little bougie and it's like, oh, okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't know that before the draft. But I

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Speaker 1: always said about him in college, I said, like, he

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Speaker 1: moves well, he's super accurate. He's got kind of a

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Speaker 1: casualness to him, like he's not you know, his dad's famous,

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Speaker 1: He's been at famous places. He's not intimidated by the moment.

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Speaker 1: His confidence, doesn't ebb and flow. You know, he's I

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Speaker 1: think he lacks maturity and self awareness, but there's a

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Speaker 1: looseness and a bring it on attitude that I you know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't think he was going to shrink. I predicted

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Speaker 1: Friday he'd go thirteen of eighteen, one touchdown and one

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Speaker 1: horrific pick. An he went close to that. But unlike

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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel, you do get big plays out of Shador

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Speaker 1: and that matter. And if Gino Smith is a franchise quarterback,

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Speaker 1: so is Shador Sanders. And I thought Kevin Stefanski smart

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Speaker 1: game plan rolled him out at the goal line, they

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Speaker 1: used a wildcat, and there were very few negative plays. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Shador was coachable and listened, so there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff I like. I didn't. I never really pre

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Speaker 1: draft or during the draft, understood why he fell. Antonio Pierce,

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Speaker 1: the former Raider coach, said this weekend we had him

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Speaker 1: as a first round player. So and then you hear

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Speaker 1: stuff and you know the speeding tickets, and you're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: he's got to grow up. But I thought he'd go

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Speaker 1: thirteen to eighteen with a horrible pick, and he went

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Speaker 1: eleven for twenty with a horrible pick, but overall you

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Speaker 1: got some big plays. There's no reason to go back

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Speaker 1: to Dylan Gabriel. Let's let this thing play out. And

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like, in a weird way, Shador Sanders

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Speaker 1: is the perfect holiday flint. You play around for the

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Speaker 1: next six or seven weeks, and then eventually Cleveland moves

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Speaker 1: on to a steady or somebody they're gonna have, you know,

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Speaker 1: a fifteen year relationship with. But there's nothing wrong with

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Speaker 1: a holiday flame. Hey, you connect to get on Facebook,

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Speaker 1: hang out for six or seven weeks. It is a

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Speaker 1: good time. But it's not like it's not a marriage.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he has great traits. He doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a huge arm, he's not hyper athletic, he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a cannon he does. He's kind of loose and fun

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Speaker 1: and capable. I thought it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: And I you know, the conspiracy theory crowd, you can't

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Speaker 1: listen to that nonsense. I don't think Shaduer is a

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Speaker 1: thirty year marriage. He's a good time. I thought yesterday

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Speaker 1: it was a good time. It was fun. I watched

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Speaker 1: I would have never watched that game with Dylan Gabriel.

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Speaker 1: So his traits are Okay, he's not big, he's not

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Speaker 1: super athletic in his own division. He's not the athlete

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Speaker 1: of Lamar, and he's not nearly as good in the

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Speaker 1: pocket as Burrow. And who knows what Pittsburgh's doing at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They'll probably figure it out, you know, next next Labor Day.

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Speaker 1: And never wouldn't want to get ahead of schedule. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, he went from fifth round to fourth string

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Speaker 1: to a first win. He went from a scout team

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Speaker 1: to a savior, and it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe like Colorado, the retires Jersey it's Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: But overall he's kind of he's not affected by it,

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Speaker 1: he's not intimidated by it. I saw a quarterback and

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Speaker 1: playing for the Vikings that literally drive to drive. It

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Speaker 1: feels like his confidence goes up and down. Shooters kind

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Speaker 1: of whatever, casual, we'll bring it on here, he was

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Speaker 1: after his win.

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Speaker 4: You gotta go out there and perform like there's no

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Speaker 4: choice of no question. Nobody cares. If this was one

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Speaker 4: we could prep, who cares? You know? So a lot

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Speaker 4: of people wanted to see me feel in it ain't

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Speaker 4: gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think a lot of people want to

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Speaker 1: see him fail. I was one of those with Tebau.

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Speaker 1: I never rooted against Tebau, but I said, it's not

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Speaker 1: divine intervention. It's a great defense. And Matt Prater a kicker.

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Speaker 1: I don't there's no reason to root against Shaduur. His

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Speaker 1: dad's been a little bit of a you know, Prima Donna,

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Speaker 1: a little diva and Dion I think he's a likable

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Speaker 1: kid that needs to go up a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: wish he played with a little more urgency. Everything kind

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Speaker 1: of feels casual, but it was a good time yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Not all relationships have to be thirty year marriages. Holiday

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Speaker 1: flings are okay. Browns have two first picks, two first

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Speaker 1: round picks. Their only problem was Shadure. I'm gonna win

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Speaker 1: some of these games down the stretch and they may

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Speaker 1: not be able to get to the Mendoza pick. And

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Speaker 1: if Dante More stays for another year at Oregon, I

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Speaker 1: think there's only one or two first round quarterbacks. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's a good problem to have in Chicago. It's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern not a Empacific Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 7: Day, Fox is serving up a classic NFC North rivalry

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Speaker 7: because Jordan Love and the Packers take on Jared Goth

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Speaker 7: and the Lions. Coverage begins at eleven am Eastern with

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Speaker 7: the pregame show live on location from Detroit, Thanksgiving Day

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Speaker 7: on Fox.

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Speaker 1: It's a great game. My wife grew up in NFC

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Speaker 1: North territory in Michigan and Chicago, and so very rarely

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Speaker 1: in her life have the Lions and the Bear's been good.

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Speaker 1: And I said, it's a great game because the Bears

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Speaker 1: are on a heater, Green band Detroit are talented, But

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Speaker 1: I don't feel great about either one of them. I mean, yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Green Bay clearly didn't think JJ McCarthy could beat them

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Speaker 1: and had the most conservative game plan of any Green

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Speaker 1: Bay team I've ever seen. So we'll get to that later.

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Speaker 1: But I want to talk about Philadelphia lose to Dallas.

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Speaker 1: So we saw this script two years ago. Eagles got

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Speaker 1: off to an unbelievable ten in one start, then it

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Speaker 1: got real noisy, and then they circled the drain and

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Speaker 1: it went sideways in a hurry. So I'm seeing it again.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell me everything's okay. I've been preaching this for

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Speaker 1: six months. Something's not right. You keep telling me, Nick Seriani,

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Speaker 1: they've got two lee wide receivers, a top three to

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Speaker 1: zero line, a superstar running back, and they lead the

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Speaker 1: NFL in three and outs. Stop telling me everything's okay. Well,

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Speaker 1: Nick Sariani, his strength is managing a locker room. What

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Speaker 1: is he a babysitter? I mean, that's part of it,

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Speaker 1: But you gotta be more than that. Saquon Barkley, can

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Speaker 1: somebody explain it? He looks like a number two back.

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Speaker 1: I mean last year we thought he was the second

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Speaker 1: best back after Barry standards we'd ever seen. So it's

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Speaker 1: if you're an offensive coach, and unquestionably the defense is

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Speaker 1: the strength of your team. You have a stacked offensive

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Speaker 1: roster and yet our bottom ten in offense. Don't tell

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Speaker 1: me everything's okay. And the other thing you're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: Nick Sarayani, he is great at managing the locker room.

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Speaker 1: Then why was it big dumb their security guard that

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Speaker 1: had to facilitate the AJ Brown Jeffrey Lorie meeting? Is

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Speaker 1: it that the coach not the security guard? I mean

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Speaker 1: Phil Jackson, For the record, he was great at managing

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Speaker 1: egos too, so was Joe Tory. But you know, Joe

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Speaker 1: Tory could fill out the lineup card and Phil Jackson

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Speaker 1: and Text Winner were the architects of the triangle offense.

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Speaker 1: And Phil was a great in game late game chess player,

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Speaker 1: So I mean, he just everybody just keeps telling me, well,

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Speaker 1: they're a little uneven uneven. I mean a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago they led the NFL in punts. How it's

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Speaker 1: not like they played it. I mean in their division.

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Speaker 1: Dallas was wonky defensively before all the moves. The Giants

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Speaker 1: are bad defensively, So I I mean, we all keep

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Speaker 1: blaming Jalen Hurts, myself included. I'm over that Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: He is what he is. You can't be punt punt, punt,

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Speaker 1: punt punt and tell me, well, it's all Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: I saw Baker Mayfield win a game with one practice

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Speaker 1: and Josh Dobbs win a game with no practices. Jalen,

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Speaker 1: you can't keep blaming Jalen Hurts for all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, twenty four straight points by Dallas. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what you do against the Titans, That's what you

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Speaker 1: do against the Raiders. The dude, that against Philadelphia's roster.

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Speaker 1: Here's Jalen after the loss.

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Speaker 3: It's a matter of the execution, the discipline and the

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Speaker 3: focus and what we do and collectively, we just have

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Speaker 3: to take a step in that.

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Speaker 4: It's been.

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Speaker 3: A lot of instances where it's showing up and has gottenans,

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Speaker 3: but we've been able to figure it out and will

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Speaker 3: ourselves to a win.

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Speaker 1: And tonight we didn't.

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Speaker 3: You know, we played a hell of the first half

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Speaker 3: and then we didn't play, you know, not even a

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Speaker 3: close enough to our standard in the second half who

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Speaker 3: we've been before.

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Speaker 1: We'll figure it out and they may figure it out,

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Speaker 1: and if they do, let's give Jalen Hurts the credit

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Speaker 1: or Big Dom. So, I mean, it's not the end

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Speaker 1: of the world. They're gonna be in a really bad mood.

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Speaker 1: They're a touchdown j Max says on Friday over the Bears.

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Speaker 1: It's a rough spot for the Bears. But it's just

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Speaker 1: you've been telling me for months it's all okay, And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I saw this two years ago, and it

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Speaker 1: looks a lot like two years ago. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what's happened to sake one Barkley. I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it like arm fatigue in baseball? Where

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Speaker 1: you go, you know, you go deep in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: you come back for spring, and there's arm fatigue. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I just know last year

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Speaker 1: we were talking about one of the great running backs

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Speaker 1: of all time. He looks like a backup. And again

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Speaker 1: they have two great receivers, they have good tight ends.

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Speaker 1: So let me just say this about the Cowboys now.

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Speaker 1: For years and years I have been critical of quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: or coaches who on Wednesday at the podium, it's not linebackers, corners,

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Speaker 1: it's leadership positions. Wearing the hat backwards at the Wednesday podium.

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Speaker 1: I don't like it. I've never said anything though about

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Speaker 1: a coach in a locker room wearing his hat on backwards.

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Speaker 1: I've never talked about that. And I've got to be honest.

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Speaker 1: I kind of like this yesterday from Shady. Hey.

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Speaker 10: We got a lot to celebrate, but I gotta questions.

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Speaker 10: Can you win the game in the first quarter? Can

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Speaker 10: you win the game of the second quarter? And we

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Speaker 10: spot twenty one points?

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Speaker 2: What about that?

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Speaker 1: When you play only one game a week, those locker

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Speaker 1: room things are so good. I'll be honest, I'm I've

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Speaker 1: never really coveted the backward hat like most to my audience.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't bother me. The post game backwards hat, that

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Speaker 1: may become a tradition on this show. We may promote

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Speaker 1: it and market it Wednesday Podium. Don't love it. But

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Speaker 1: I will say about Brian Schottenheimer, he's an offensive coach.

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Speaker 1: What is my rule? How's your side of the ball?

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Speaker 1: Brenton Venables in Oklahoma, his side of the ball is great.

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Speaker 1: So Schottenheimer's job is offense. DA's reeling, the old line's

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Speaker 1: getting better, the run game is working now. Fifteen years

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Speaker 1: ago he was thought of as the hot coach, and

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Speaker 1: then there was a lot of people that felt he

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Speaker 1: wasn't current, he wasn't keeping up whatever. I was one

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Speaker 1: of those people. So he's been really, really good. Now

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Speaker 1: again they're five to five and one. They play the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: I don't like him in that game, but there is

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Speaker 1: an energy. Listen, Jerry Jones. I think it's pretty well

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Speaker 1: established he doesn't the Parcels and the Jimmy Johnson they're

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Speaker 1: gonna keep. They're gonna keep Jarah at Bay. They don't

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Speaker 1: want him the room, they don't want him talking to

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Speaker 1: the media, and Jerry's like, it's my toy. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot more fun than selling oil or finding it.

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Speaker 1: I like doing this whole GM thing. And Jerry's probably

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Speaker 1: a little bit better than anybody gives him credit for.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't think Schottenheimer. I didn't think he was

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Speaker 1: empowering him. I thought it was kind of a weak move.

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Speaker 1: But you have to admit the offense, the passing game

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Speaker 1: right now, it's extraordinary. It's it's it's like the Rams,

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Speaker 1: they just they are just playing at a different level.

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Speaker 1: So he deserves a lot of credit. Colin right, Colin wrong.

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Speaker 1: The whole day, I mean, from shador standers, we got

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Speaker 1: coaches getting fired today, to the Dallas Cowboys, to the

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Speaker 1: Colts having it and losing it. It was it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a really, really wild Sunday. And I think

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Speaker 1: what's fascinating. Thanksgiving is always weird. It's a short week.

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Speaker 1: Do you get the best effort? The green Bay Detroit game,

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Speaker 1: to me is really interesting. Detroit does not feel nearly

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Speaker 1: as precise as last year. Jamiir gave Gibbs saved them yesterday,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I didn't love it when Detroit lost

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Speaker 1: both coordinators, both excellent coordinators, and hired only in the building.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like it. Well, I think I've been proven right.

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Speaker 1: They're not as sharp, but they're just so talented. The

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Speaker 1: Lions are so talented, but I don't like the way

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Speaker 1: they feel. And green Bay, I thought this weekend they

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Speaker 1: did cover, but that game plan that was an indictment

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Speaker 1: of JJ McCarthy. They're like, we're just gonna do field goals.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna make him drive down the field. You had

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Speaker 1: nothing deep feed us that way, and green Bay was

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Speaker 1: right