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Speaker 2: Wait, girl, we don't know what the last five years are.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, tell me my god, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: So well? Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where

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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, we thought long and hard.

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Speaker 1: AKA we texted an hour before we had to be

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Speaker 1: season two of Like a Virgin with and Phoebe jokingly

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Speaker 1: suggested the musical rent and we were like, not no,

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Speaker 1: And one of the rare times I have said.

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Speaker 2: No, that's not your narrative anymore. Rose, you always say yes.

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Speaker 1: And oh thanks no, but no, but so yes. Today

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Speaker 1: we will be loosely discussing, you know, the rock musical Rent,

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Speaker 1: which you know, took the world by storm in nineteen

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Speaker 1: by Christopher Columbus, probably the most misguided directing choice ever

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Speaker 2: Decades now, weaponizing the text of Rent and their bfas

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Speaker 1: When I think of Rent, and I want to know

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Speaker 1: Well, so I might surprise you by saying this, but

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Speaker 2: No, that is kind of the era of culture that

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Speaker 1: It's AIDS. So for anyone who doesn't know the basic

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Speaker 1: There's a performance artist, there's a filmmaker who sells out.

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite song from Rent?

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Speaker 3: That's hard?

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Speaker 1: Mm?

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Speaker 3: Will you light my candle?

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Speaker 1: What are you staring at? Nothing? Your hair in the moonlight?

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Speaker 1: Haven't eat much to stop spinning anyway?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh that's she and Roger are both Heroin auticts.

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Speaker 3: Oh eh, I used to tie you up.

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Speaker 1: It's a living.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't the guy who plays Roger is gay?

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Speaker 3: Oh of course.

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Speaker 2: I have already told this story, or I've already said

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Speaker 3: It's I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: I'm only realizing that Mulan Rouge and Rent, which both

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Speaker 2: She showed both of those movies to me, and they're

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Speaker 2: both about bohemians and they're both based on and they're

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Speaker 2: bolls based. Oh my god, they're based and they're both

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Speaker 2: about aids. Well, no, no, she has bargulations. She has consumption.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to know what my favorite song from Rento's.

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Speaker 3: Yes, forgive me for not asking.

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Speaker 2: No, I did like dit a lease and left my

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Speaker 3: And why did I bring that up? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Because I wasn't paying rent. You know what sucks? Rent cancer?

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Speaker 2: Also rent, rent sucks.

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Speaker 1: It has every sucked. Every month when my rent leaves

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Speaker 2: And can I be vulnerable? This year is the first

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Speaker 3: And it's so expensive. Rose, your rent is really good.

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Speaker 3: Which is not that bad.

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Speaker 3: It's bad. It's bad, but it's.

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Speaker 3: Right, did you say that you never email them? I

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Speaker 1: It's too late. It's too late. I actually still haven't

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Speaker 3: You should just not pay the rate increase.

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Speaker 3: Like? What happens after you don't pay? Do you don't

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Speaker 1: You get evicted?

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Speaker 2: You get evicted? Do you have like squatters rights? What

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Speaker 3: Right shockingly, even though you break every rule, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I guess you start singing.

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Speaker 3: Your voice is so beautiful. Well, you don't have to

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Speaker 3: Do I have tea with Anthony Rap? Not anymore? But

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Speaker 1: Have you explored each other's bodies?

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Speaker 1: No, no, have you explored each other's body? Addy addies.

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Speaker 1: Which it was?

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Speaker 2: You know, there's no way to prove that it was

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Speaker 2: I will go back and forth. I will like maybe

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Speaker 1: What a different time? Yeah, can you and imagine fighting

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Speaker 1: with someone on Twitter in twenty twenty three?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I just did that. Oh your no, Phoebe, please bleep.

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Speaker 2: Bravo, Bravo, Bravo, Bravo, Bravo, Bravo, Phoebe, Phoebe, Phoebe.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, Speaking of Jonathan Larson, did you watch Tiktik

448
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Speaker 1: Boom when it was amazing? It's incredible? Andrew Garfield four

449
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Speaker 1: posport four He four plus four that it's so. I

450
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Speaker 1: actually me, I actually maybe liked tick tick Boom more

451
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Speaker 1: than rent in high school. Featured Amy Spanger, who later

452
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Speaker 1: went on to star in The Wedding Singer, which the

453
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Speaker 1: musical which I think I have discussed that I saw

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Speaker 1: eight times on Broadway my freshman year of college.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember that, but I don't think it needs

456
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Speaker 3: to be recapped.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the movie of it was I think so

458
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Speaker 1: beautifully done.

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Speaker 3: Literally never seen The Wedding Singer. And just as a side.

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Speaker 1: Note, h the movie. The movie, I think you'd like it, Okay, yeah,

461
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Speaker 1: you you like Adam Sandler, No, you like Drew barrymore.

462
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Speaker 2: Love Okay, I mean not now that she's a scab

463
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Speaker 2: you but you redacted her scabbery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd you would enjoy the Wedding Singer. Yeah, okay, yeah,

465
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Speaker 1: tictic boom exclamation point. The movie was really great. Vanessa

466
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Speaker 1: Vanessa Hudgens was so good in it. Andrew Garfield deserves

467
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Speaker 1: to have its assay always, but especially for that movie.

468
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Speaker 2: Once again playing wait, is that character gay? No, he's yeah,

469
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Speaker 2: because he's because it's basically an autobiographical musical about Jonathan Larson.

470
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Speaker 2: I mean it is an autobiographical musical. Sorry to make

471
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Speaker 2: this remark again, but Andrew Garfield insists on playing characters

472
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Speaker 2: that are not gay. For some reason. And it's always like,

473
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Speaker 2: like in that Mormon TV show that we want them,

474
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Speaker 2: remember the Mormon Particuped Dow, You're like, that character has

475
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Speaker 2: all the bones, make up, motivations and attributes of a

476
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Speaker 2: gay person, and yet the character is not gay.

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Speaker 3: And that's very surprising to me. And this was the same.

478
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Speaker 2: It's like Matt like Matthew Larson, Anthony Larson, Anthony, Jonathan Larson,

479
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Larson, thank you. I was just rolling through all

480
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: of the names until I got there, until you got

481
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: me there. Jonathan Larson also not gay, kind of wild.

482
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Speaker 2: And so I guess it makes sense that famously straight,

483
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Speaker 2: famously straight, but definitely thought of culturally as gay. Andrew

484
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Speaker 2: Garfield is straight, though he's not like one of those

485
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Speaker 2: closeted Hollywood type.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know his tea like that, but

487
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Speaker 1: to all appearances, he is straight.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know his tea, but I know

490
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Speaker 2: I feel like I would know already he did.

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Speaker 1: I do remember the I think the one time that

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Speaker 1: he got sort of minorly canceled was when he said

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Speaker 1: something along the lines of like, I'm gay in everything,

494
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Speaker 1: but having sex with guys. Like it was him trying

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Speaker 1: to be like, you know, like I'm like culturally gay.

496
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Speaker 1: He really stepped in it that one. But he's a king.

497
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Speaker 2: He is a king, unproblematic, would suck to oblivion. He

498
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: used to be a huge crush to me and now

499
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Speaker 2: not at all.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

501
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Speaker 1: I think he's hotter now than he's ever been. He

502
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: got some hair plugs. He looks good.

503
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Speaker 2: Oh see, it's not his age that has deterred me.

504
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: It is my personal taste that has grown. I think

505
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Speaker 2: that he is still very attractive. He's just not really

506
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Speaker 2: he is.

507
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Speaker 3: So foreign.

508
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Speaker 2: Paying rent Wait what was the other there was another

509
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: performance art performance and talk about performance arts. So as

510
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Speaker 2: as has been somewhat alluded to on other episodes of

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Speaker 2: this podcast, I have myself dabbled in a bit of

512
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Speaker 2: performance art. I you know, at one point in my

513
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: life you could say that I was living a life

514
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Speaker 2: somewhat adjacent to the lives of the characters in Rent.

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Speaker 1: Oh. Would you say, uh, yeah, okay, you know, I

516
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: like considered myself like a starving artist, no more of

517
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Speaker 1: a Maureene. A Maureene, although you know, being friends with Charlene,

518
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: Like I could never actually be Maureene because she is Maureen. Yeah.

519
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: I have made some really bad performance art in my time.

520
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Speaker 1: I think I mentioned once that at a rave that

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Speaker 1: I threw once we buried Charlene in a trunk full

522
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Speaker 1: of dirt in the middle of a dance floor. I

523
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: ate a cow heart once, right, I remember the cow heart.

524
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: I covered a watermelon in sunscreen and ate it.

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Speaker 3: The artist is present.

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Speaker 1: I was doing. I wrote some really horrible you know,

527
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Speaker 1: spoken word poetry. Did you really? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that seems so unlike that.

529
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Speaker 1: I that I then collaborated with a musician to create

530
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Speaker 1: an original score. Who was a friend of mine?

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Speaker 2: No?

532
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Speaker 3: I mean who was she?

533
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Speaker 1: Who was she? Who were you? She don't say that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was so unrecognizable to me.

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Speaker 1: I know. But but you know what, I have been

536
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: thinking recently that I do miss some of that fearlessness

537
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: to look stupid. Are you saying you missed this stage? No,

538
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Speaker 1: I don't miss you saying you missed the glamor. I

539
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: do not miss the I do not miss a life

540
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Speaker 1: on the stage. Yes, as cringey as it can be

541
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Speaker 1: to think about, oh my god, I did that in public,

542
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: and it's actually more embarrassing. Sometimes it's less embaring to

543
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Speaker 1: think about the times when I did it in like

544
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Speaker 1: a warehouse full of thousands of people. It's more embarrassing

545
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Speaker 1: to think about the times that I did it at

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Speaker 1: like Macrey Park on a Wednesday, while like six people

547
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: were there. That is like a lot cringier. But at

548
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Speaker 1: the same time I feel pretty punk or for having

549
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Speaker 1: done that.

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Speaker 2: That's the history I was literally just talking about. So

551
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: I did conduct an interview with Connie Fleming on Friday

552
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Speaker 2: for the trans Oral History Project.

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Speaker 3: Cool iconic door girl.

554
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Speaker 2: If you don't know her, I mean, she's a model,

555
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: she's amused muglare Vivina Westwood, but also like very infamously

556
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: an iconic.

557
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Speaker 1: Door, sickening, sickening New York City nightlfe legends.

558
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: And we don't use the word iconic lightly, very intentional

559
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: with the use of the word icon even though it

560
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: is overused these days. And in interviewing her, I just

561
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: talking about how there is such a massive body of

562
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: work in nightlife that goes completely undocumented, not in the history,

563
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: not in the art world, like not in the echelon

564
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: or ancestry of like queer art or art in general,

565
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to like drag artistry, it's like unrecorded,

566
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: and some of this stuff, like I mean, pre iPhone

567
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: is like lost to eternity because no one there. All

568
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: they had was the experience of it. And now which

569
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: I do kind of love, I kind of miss love.

570
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Speaker 1: I miss I always really liked the ephemerality of nightlife.

571
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's something that makes it really special

572
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: and precious, if not like mystical, that those are things

573
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: that those are experiences created by and for queer and

574
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: trance people, the most marginalized in New York nightlife.

575
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: Club kids, et cetera.

576
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: And it was all like literally just for that one night,

577
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: just for the six people you perform to at TNT, Right,

578
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: And how like in the grand scheme of like what

579
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: something like Rent is trying to teach us that that's

580
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: like even more depressing thinking about all the artists from

581
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: that generation that have like unfortunately died and now they're

582
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: not a part of the cultural conversation the way someone

583
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: like a Sarah Schulman might be or other kinds of

584
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: kind of aids generation artists. But I'm really I mean,

585
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm happy or sad that like

586
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: now everything has recorded on the iPhone and so now

587
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: all drag performances in the history of forever will be

588
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: documented in time somehow. But they're not like collated. They're

589
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: not like put in a book. They're not putting museums,

590
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: and they really should be because like not to go there.

591
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: But like a lot of I know, you didn't do

592
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: drag like specifically, but like a lot of drag art

593
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: like is way more interesting than like what Marina Abramovich

594
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: is doing.

595
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, I mean I did that was drag adjacent.

596
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful that most of the public art I

597
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: made was pre transition, so if someone were to share it,

598
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: it would be kind of an act of violence.

599
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: Yes, love that.

600
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: And also I deleted my Facebook in twenty fifteen, so

601
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: so much of what I shared myself is just gone

602
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: of my own volition. But I do you know, I

603
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: have things saved the vault. In the vault, you know,

604
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: maybe one day I'll do a retrospective, a rent respective,

605
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: rent respective. I don't know that I would ever like

606
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: make performance art again, but you would.

607
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 3: But would you be on this?

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00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: Would you on mastage? We have been on the stage.

609
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: Girl different as us. Yeah, but it is a performance.

610
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: But when I was performing I was performing as me.

611
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

612
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well when you eat it, when you eat a

613
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: cow heart at one of our podcast recordings, then you know,

614
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: maybe I'll be convinced. But I want to see you

615
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: what I'm really trying to I want to see you

616
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: eat a cow heart again.

617
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: In full drag. I want to see you covered in blood, and.

618
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: Girl, I've been covered in blood many times, and I

619
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: have I have lost many venue security deposits over spilling

620
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: various things on electric surfaces.

621
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Speaker 2: You're breaking one of Charlene and Kronin's cardinal rules of

622
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: nightlife performance, which is don't get to.

623
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: Make a mess on stage. Girl. Where do you think

624
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: that rule originated? My my friend Paul, who I used

625
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: to throw parties with. He performed as his alter ego

626
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: boy Wolf, and he used to I don't think he

627
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: started this, but there are definitely I remember sort of

628
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: a fad for this happening. He always used to bring

629
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: put a tart out on stage before he would perform.

630
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: Because he did a lot of stuff with food. It

631
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: would get very messy, and so that kind of became

632
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: a thing like when you were watching when you were

633
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: when you were at a party in Brooklyn and you

634
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: saw tarp coming out. You were like, oh, right.

635
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 4: Here we go again. There the blood. Prepare the blood,

636
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: prepare the milk. Prepare the milk, prepare the like fake

637
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: vomit flower, Like what a yeah? I mean look, I've

638
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 4: put down a few tarps in my time, and I'm about.

639
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: Just put a arm down last night, Anny, I want

640
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 3: to kill myself. I yeah, I haven't come in like

641
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: eight days.

642
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah yeah, wow. I came yesterday, but

643
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: it was the first time I had come in like

644
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: a week because I was home visiting my family and

645
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: just not coming. Yeah, just not coming.

646
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: Well tonight, I want to lay down the term honey,

647
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 2: it's disgusting actually, Like my that's that should be.

648
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: A new thing. Would like you text me like what

649
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: are you doing? I'm like, I'm laying on the top.

650
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: What are your I used to own so many tarps?

651
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: Do you that used to be in my apartment at

652
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: all times?

653
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: I used to own so many tarps.

654
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 3: Too many tarps, too many tarps.

655
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: Well now I'm gonna put a tarp down every time

656
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: I have sex. Is there anything you like need to masturbate?

657
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 2: Do you need like a candle, like a special candle

658
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: or no, like some like music or like quiet doesn't

659
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: be quiet.

660
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: I need.

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Speaker 2: My imagination, your imagination, and friction, and some written erotica

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Speaker 2: and Uncle Ronney's New.

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Speaker 1: Hole No No Girl.

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Speaker 4: I read Uncle Ronnie's New Horror like pretty recently did

665
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Speaker 4: hold Up. It holds Up, It holds up, except they

666
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Speaker 4: use condoms in it.

667
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Speaker 3: That's hot. No safety is hot.

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Speaker 1: I mean we are talking about rents.

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Speaker 2: I love condoms. I literally love condoms. I will what

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Speaker 2: I will. I will constantly advocate for a condoms book.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you shouldn't have saved sex, but we

672
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: do live in the era of prep, so yeah, you know, well,

673
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Speaker 1: I and in in fiction, in in erotica, you should

674
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Speaker 1: not be using condoms.

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Speaker 3: Well I have been. I mean, this is okay, that's true.

676
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Like I will like like sometimes I'll read fan fiction

678
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: about like, you know, like this crazy scenario that would

679
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: never happen and no, and they will be like, oh,

680
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Speaker 1: let me put a condom.

681
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: You put the condom on his tentacles.

682
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: The girl girl, fuck you, I kill myself.

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Speaker 3: That's that's kind of wild. I like condoms. I don't

684
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Speaker 3: know why.

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Speaker 2: I think there's something nice about I think well, I mean,

686
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: if there's a mess, like it's less to worry about.

687
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: But also like, I mean, have you ever jerked off

688
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: into a condom? Yes, of course when I was younger, Yeah,

689
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: me too. But now I've been having sex with people

690
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Speaker 2: with uteruses where like for something, not all, but some

691
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: of them. It's like I would prefer to use a

692
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Speaker 2: condom for like whatever reason. But also a lot of

693
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: those people like can't get pregnant anyway, So.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and can you even impregnate someone at this point?

695
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: I can.

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00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: I still have quite a lot of I mean, not

697
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: a lot less than I used to, but I definitely could.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that for sure. I could

699
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Speaker 3: be completely infertile. And I think you're shooting blanks.

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00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: I know, I'm I'm I'm not not yet. I've been

701
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: monitoring it because.

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00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: I want to try to get me pregnant. Let's have

703
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Speaker 1: a baby, shoot, and we'll name it Phoebe.

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Speaker 3: The way this devolved so nicely, honestly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Perfect.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, let's not pay rent this month.

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Speaker 1: I'm never paying rent again. Actually no, I will be

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Speaker 1: paying an extra two dollars in rent. But my little pony, pony,

709
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Speaker 1: my little pony, My little way of fighting the system

710
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Speaker 1: is that I have my auto pay set up to

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Speaker 1: pay on the fifth of the month. Oh, that's my

712
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: way to stick it to the man. They have to

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Speaker 1: they have to wait an extra five days to get

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Speaker 1: my money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the man.

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Speaker 2: And for the record, Virgins, we as a podcast know

717
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: that all landlords are bad, unless, of course, either Rose

718
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Speaker 2: and I decide to be one.

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Speaker 1: No, we are not becoming landlord.

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Speaker 3: It's alluded many times to potentially be.

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Speaker 2: No, and as on the podcast, you have I believe

722
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: that about you both said this.

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Speaker 3: On the record, Rose, we are off keys.

724
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Speaker 1: So we just so. Loretta LLC just bought a building

725
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Speaker 1: that we will be renovated and turning into artist lofts.

726
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, bohemian living spaces co ops.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say sex parties, but we can't. We

729
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Speaker 2: don't have the infrastructure for that.

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Speaker 1: No. I haven't been to a sex party in so long.

731
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: I would like to maybe go to one.

732
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Speaker 1: I got invited to go to a queer romantic comedy

733
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Speaker 1: play that is being performed at a sex club, but

734
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Speaker 1: there's no, it's not I don't know. I have to

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Speaker 1: investigate further.

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Speaker 2: One of the people that I'm having sex with is

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Speaker 2: a facilitator of a sex party, and he frequents this

738
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Speaker 2: other I don't think he would mind whatever. He frequents

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Speaker 2: this sex party where it's called it's called studs and mares.

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Speaker 1: Who I like that. Yeah, well you know I'm a

741
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: horse girl.

742
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: You are horse girl.

743
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: And so the bottoms are the mares, and they don't

744
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 2: wear pants, and they like all stand in a line

745
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: like bent over when like the studs walk in and

746
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: do whatever they want to the mayors that are like

747
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: lined in their stables, so to speak. And this guy

748
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: was telling me, I think this is a really good idea.

749
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Speaker 2: He was like, I want to have a reverse studs

750
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Speaker 2: and Mayor's party, where like it's about the studs and

751
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: you walk in and it's all of these tops with

752
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 2: like viagrid out penises and you just mount and they're

753
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Speaker 2: the ones that are getting used.

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Speaker 3: I think that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: And they don't wear pants, but they do wear shirts.

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Speaker 3: They're just dildos.

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00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that's called. The technical term is shirt cocking. Oh,

758
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: when you wear a pant.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was called when you wear a shirt,

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Speaker 2: but no thought it was a Winnie the pooing.

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00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: No, it's shirt cock.

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Speaker 3: Shortcock shirt cock.

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Speaker 1: No matter what genitally you have, it's called it a

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Speaker 1: short cocking. So slide into our DM set like a

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Speaker 1: Virgin four twenty sixty nine. Let us know how much

766
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Speaker 1: your rent is. What's your favorite song from Rent?

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Speaker 4: Do you?

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Speaker 1: We didn't even really talk about Adenamon's all that much,

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Speaker 1: but we've talked about Adenamon. We have a lot at Like.

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Speaker 4: Fit the Bad used to be the only person on

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Speaker 4: Instagram and now the only bird and we follow on

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Speaker 4: Instagram is Sally Field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to change that.

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Speaker 3: Wait, who's the next? Well, third season?

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Speaker 1: Tell us who wants to follow on Instagram next? Also,

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Speaker 1: you can become a patron at Patreon dot com slash

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Speaker 1: like a Virgin.

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00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: And remember this is the last time for the season

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00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: where you will get us in the main feed.

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Speaker 3: So we are taking a break. We will be right back,

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00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 3: but for now.

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Speaker 2: We will continue to publish episodes on the Patreon, So

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Speaker 2: go subscribe over there at Patreon dot com slash like

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00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: a Virgin.

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Speaker 1: And as always, thanks to producer Phoebe and you know

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00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: sho out for now, Yeah, for now and now a

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Speaker 1: clip from our Patreon. Become a patron at Patreon dot

788
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Speaker 1: com Slash Like a Virgin for weekly bonus episodes, and

789
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: more so. The seasons I've watched are Murder House, Asylum,

790
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: Freak Show. I watched half Hotel. I watched half of Roanoke.

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00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: I watched the first It's the season where they like

792
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: flip it halfway through and it turns out what you've

793
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: been watching is like a TV recreation of something that happened.

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00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: I watched the first couple episodes of Cult. I watched

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Speaker 1: the entirety of Apocalypse. I watched the entirety of nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty four Oh my God, which nineteen eighty four is

797
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Speaker 1: actually pretty good because it's like very tight. I didn't

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Speaker 1: watch Double Feature, and I'm I'm currently watching Delicate, so

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Speaker 1: I've actually watched most of the show.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like Delicate? So I having not seen

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00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: all of the other series? Do you feel like Delicate

802
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: is kind of different from the rest of the franchise.

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00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,479
Speaker 1: It's smaller like the world because usually American horror story

804
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: has lots of competing storylines, and that's part of why

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00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the seasons are flawed, is because the

806
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: ones that you're more interested in don't get as much

807
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: time or they drop them or like merge them in

808
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: weird ways. I like how tight delicate is focused on

809
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: this one character and her story, which I think has

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00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: maybe happened over the past couple of years, like probably

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00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: like in a lot of ways because of the budget,

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00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: like they can't spend as much on like all these actors.

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00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: Because even think about Delicate like it has I mean

814
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: obviously like having Kim Kardashian as a gag but it

815
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: doesn't have like the huge gaggy cast that previous seasons

816
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: no have had.

817
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: Like Kim k is playing the same function as Gaga

818
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: in an Hotel. To me, it's just like gag casting.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, not a great actress.

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Speaker 1: I disagree.

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00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: I think that's I think she's so great. I think

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00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: that Gaga is better than Kim. Kay, But I do think.

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Speaker 1: You haven't seen Hotel.

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00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of clips of Hotel, okay. I

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00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: I think that Gaga's acting ability has significantly improved since Hotel,

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Speaker 2: like right, like like.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, I think it's pretty much the same.

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Speaker 2: She was basically playing the same character. I mean, no,

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Speaker 2: I okay, So more on Kim k. You think she's

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00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 2: eating I think she's eating. I mean, I do think

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00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: she's incredible. The thing is like, to me, obviously, when

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00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: Kim K's on screen, I'm not evaluating her acting like

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00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: that's not I was just saying that because like I

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00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: was trying to think about them playing the same function

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00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: and as like stunt casting in these series. But I'm

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00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: not evaluating Kim's acting like she's just and I think

838
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: that honestly, the flatness with which she delivers a lot

839
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 2: of her lines in a kardashian esque way works really

840
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: well for the affect of says. This is what Bubba says,

841
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: was sound like like it's kind of working.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I the episode where they go to the

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00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: Gotham Awards and Emma Robert's vomits during her speech, and

844
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 1: then the next day she wakes up in her bed

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Speaker 1: in the morning and Kim is laying in bed next

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Speaker 1: to her under the covers with her face fully b

847
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Speaker 1: I just started cackling.

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00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: It's so insane, mug stamps.

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Speaker 1: It's so but she's so good, and like the way

850
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: she delivers the lines is so You're right, it is

851
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 1: incredibly flat, but it's really funny. It works, and yeah,

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00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: it works, like you're you're never not aware that this

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00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: is Kim Kardashian, but like it that works.

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00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 3: And do you want to know? Do you want to

855
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: know a bit of a boma?

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Speaker 2: The ending has been spoiled for me because I knew

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Speaker 2: someone who worked on.

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Speaker 3: It, so I actually I think the ending knows.

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Speaker 2: I won't spoil it for you, but I think the

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Speaker 2: ending is a gag, and I think the understanding Obviously

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00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: kim Ka is giving villain energy from Jump. I'm not

862
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: saying that she is like the Big Bad, but I

863
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: will say that a lot of the way is that

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00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: all these different things pull off in the way that

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Speaker 2: Kim k pulls into Like what is at stake here

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Speaker 2: in the show is really good? What do you think

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Speaker 2: is happening with her baby?

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Speaker 3: Whatever? What are some fan theories that you might have?

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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm well, I don't know about fan theories

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00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: because it's not like I feel like I'm not going.

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00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: It's not like I've been going and looking. I mean,

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00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, the clearest, this is obviously very much modeling

873
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: itself after Rosemary's Baby. That's very much a big inspiration

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00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: for this. So my guess was knowing that you find

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Speaker 1: you find out in the first episode that Kim and

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Speaker 1: Emma met in a fertility group. So I think that possibly,

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00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: like this baby is being like a grown and harvested

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00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: for Kim, right, and Emma is the vessel.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's okay, Okay, love that, But I also.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, because the thing is with American horror story,

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Speaker 1: they could start out with one intention and then halfway

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Speaker 1: through the season completely abandoned that and decide to do

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Speaker 1: something else. Like with Covin, they had no idea who

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Speaker 1: the Supreme was when they started the season, and there

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Speaker 1: are so many moments of fake outs where they like

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Speaker 1: try to hedge towards someone like Tessa Familia is clearly

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Speaker 1: supposed to be like the one who might be the

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Speaker 1: new Supreme in the beginning of the season, and then

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Speaker 1: by the end like it being Sarah Paulsen comes out

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Speaker 1: of totally left field.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: So and also, you know we only are getting for now,

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Speaker 1: We're only getting part one of Delegate because that's all

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Speaker 1: that was filmed before the strike, right, so you know,

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Speaker 1: when they go back, they might decide to like change

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Speaker 1: the whole thing.