1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: Rip Current. It is a production of I Heart Podcasts. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: if the host, producers or parent company listener discretion. 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: Is it fine? 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 3: The Quote of the People of this date issues the 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 3: following order. All corporate enemies of the people will be 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 3: shot on site at any time and at any place. 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 3: This order is permanent until such time as all enemies 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 3: for us have either surrendered or been destroyed. 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: In closing, I wish to play the national anthem of 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: the Simbanese Liberation Army. 12 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 4: The Crusaders were really popular in the Bay Area at 13 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 4: the time. They were a gateway a band into real jazz. 14 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 4: They had music that was being played on the mainstream 15 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 4: adult contemporary stations, but they were also being played on 16 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 4: the progressive rock stations. My name is Joe Mada. I 17 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 4: live in Portland, Oregon. During the time of the SLA, 18 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 4: I lived in Berkeley. I wanted to be a music writer, 19 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 4: but I was also got involved with a underground newspaper 20 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 4: that was based in San Francisco called the San Francisco Phoenix. 21 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 4: And my entire time that I spent writing there was 22 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 4: no more than I'm guessing four to six weeks. The 23 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 4: Crusaders had kind of an interesting connection with the Sla. 24 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 4: Not of their choice, but the Sla chose one of 25 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 4: their songs, which was Way Back Home, as their theme song. 26 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 4: It was like their an anthem. I really liked the band, 27 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 4: and they were going to be playing had a live 28 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: performance at the Greek Theater in Berkeley. I contacted the 29 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 4: publisher and I said, and I'm going to try to 30 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,919 Speaker 4: get a ticket. Would you like me to review the show. 31 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 4: I was nineteen twenty years old and carried my notebook 32 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 4: and penned into the Greek Theater and I think it 33 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 4: was general mission. I was sitting up near the top 34 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 4: of the stadium. It was a beautiful theater. It seemed 35 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 4: like its seats several hundred, maybe even more than that, 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 4: maybe in the low thousands of people. During the performance, 37 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 4: in between one of the songs or a couple of songs, 38 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 4: somebody stormed the stage and grabbed the microphone, and I 39 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 4: want to say he grabbed it from the pianist, Joe Sample, 40 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 4: and he screened into the microphone play Way back Home 41 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 4: for the brothers and the sisters of the Sla. The 42 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 4: guy was escorted off by the security at the theater, 43 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 4: and I made note of it, but I didn't include 44 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 4: it in my review. Within the next forty eight seventy 45 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 4: two hours, the review was published, and under my byline, 46 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 4: the publisher or the ed inserted some of his own 47 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 4: language about the person who stormed the stage. I chose 48 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 4: to stop writing for that because I didn't want to 49 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 4: be associated with anything having to do with the SLA. 50 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 4: It was such a controversial group for obvious reasons. They're 51 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 4: very radical. They had murdered people in a bank. I 52 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: was just a kid. I didn't want to be associated 53 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 4: with that. 54 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 5: I'm Toby Ball. 55 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 6: And I'm Mary Catherine Garrison. 56 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 5: And this is rip current. 57 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 7: And she just disappeared. She basically abandoned her children, at 58 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 7: least to her mother, not a mysteret, but they could 59 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 7: never find her. Her phone was then disconnected. 60 00:03:54,240 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 5: Episode seven, A Confusion of Sanity and Reality. Joe Mayetta's 61 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 5: experience at the Crusaders show at the Greek Theater illustrates 62 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 5: just how culturally prominent the SLA would become and the 63 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 5: strong feelings they would evoke. But this was still months 64 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 5: in the future. In the immediate aftermath of Patty Hurst's kidnapping, 65 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 5: the police, the media, the public, and the Hurst family 66 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 5: were simply trying to figure out who the SLA were 67 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 5: and what they wanted. On February twelfth, eight days after 68 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 5: the kidnapping of Patty Hurst, the SLA sent an audio 69 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 5: tape to several media outlets. On it, the SLA announced 70 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 5: their ransom demand that Patty's father, Randolph Hurst, arranged to 71 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 5: feed the poor in California. This was impossible to meet, 72 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 5: but in an effort to do so locally, Hearst quickly 73 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 5: got a program up and running to provide free food 74 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 5: for the poor in the San Francisco Bay area. The 75 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 5: program was called People in Need or PIN. It operated 76 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 5: out of a block long warehouse by the San Francisco waterfront. 77 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 5: A Los Angeles Times reporter named Charles T. Powers visited 78 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 5: the site. 79 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: The dominant impression is of a paranoid security consciousness, a 80 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: vast concern for a favorable public relations image, and the 81 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: confusion of a dozen petty officers and aging radicals who 82 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: wander about with plastic cups of coffee in one hand 83 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: and clipboards in the other, issuing mutually disregarded orders and 84 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: declarations of policy emanating apparently from some unknown source. 85 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 5: As he sought someone to talk to about touring the warehouse, 86 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 5: he was directed to a woman with gray hair and 87 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 5: a peck and peck pantsuit. 88 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 6: My name is Sarah Jane Moore, and I'm chief flunky here. 89 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 5: Moore, who had experienced as a bookkeeper, had volunteered to 90 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 5: help with PINS financial record keeping, but with grander designs 91 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 5: for her role. Ludlow Kramer, who ran the PIN program, 92 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 5: said about Sarah Jane. 93 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: She came on strong. She was like the employee who 94 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: two weeks after hiring wants to run the company. She 95 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: wanted in on the politics of the thing, the decision making. 96 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 5: Patty Hurst's boyfriend Stephen Weed said, she has an amazing 97 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 5: ability to move right in and drive everybody crazy. Here's 98 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 5: Jerry Spieler, the author of Housewife Assassin, the woman who 99 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 5: tried to kill Gerald Ford. 100 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 7: Sarah Jane fit in in terms of anybody who has 101 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 7: a bookkeeping skills in such an event, you know, yes, 102 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 7: please come help us. You know, she had her own office, 103 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 7: but she became very difficult, and Richard Palladino, who is 104 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 7: the security guy, said that she would yell at people 105 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 7: and accuse them of disturbing her work. And then she 106 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 7: would also walk around and tell everybody how wonderful they were, 107 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 7: and after a while it became problematic. 108 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 5: This talent for alienating people was a recurring theme in 109 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 5: Moore's life, as was her ability to leave one chapter 110 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 5: of her life behind and move forward unencumbered by her past. 111 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 5: She barely even acknowledged that she had a past. 112 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 6: Sarah Jane did not shy away from publicity. She seemed, 113 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 6: in truth to court it. But while she was very 114 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 6: forthcoming about her activities and actions, beginning with volunteering at Penn, 115 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 6: she was strikingly tight lipped about anything that happened before that. 116 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 6: In fact, she was known to create a fictitious backstory 117 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 6: for herself if it suited her. For instance, she told 118 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 6: Tohirst that she was the daughter of a rich timber 119 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 6: and coal family in West Virginia. To others, she claimed 120 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 6: that she had completed the requirements for an MBA degree, 121 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 6: or that she had earned fifty thousand dollars a year 122 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 6: as an accountant that's more than two hundred and eighty 123 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 6: thousand in today's dollars. These claims were not true. In fact, 124 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 6: she was born into a comfortable, middle class family in Charleston, 125 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 6: West Virginia, the day after Valentine's Day in nineteen thirty. 126 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 7: Her mother was a concert pianist with the Charleston Symphony Orchestra. 127 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 7: Her father was an engineer, and I think her mother 128 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 7: was a perfectionist in a lot of ways. But they 129 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 7: lived in a community where her mom was sort of 130 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 7: the block mom. If anything happened, people went to Ruth's 131 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 7: house to get help or whatever. 132 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 6: Her father, according to Spieler, had very strict limits and 133 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 6: a cutting tongue that could slice through his children's self confidence. 134 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 6: Despite this, Sarah Jane's upbringing seems to have not involved 135 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 6: the kinds of intense conflict with her parents that plagued 136 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 6: Lynette Fromm's teenage years. 137 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 7: She came from a very talented, supportive home. Her brother's 138 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 7: skip told me as her parents were very much there 139 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 7: for the kids in terms of their activities, girls Scouts 140 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 7: and garden club and all these kinds of things. She 141 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 7: was active in school, she was in the Spanish club 142 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 7: and theater group, but she was sort of off to 143 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 7: the side. I guess you could describe her in terms of, 144 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 7: you know, she had a sort of different attitude towards 145 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 7: things or very competitive towards things. 146 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 6: In a prelude to her adult life, Sarah Jane had 147 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 6: a hard time connecting with friends. Her brothers and sisters 148 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 6: got along fine with kids in school, but Sarah Jane 149 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 6: was an outlier. And then when she was sixteen, she 150 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 6: briefly went missing. 151 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 7: She just disappeared for three days. Nobody knew where she was, 152 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 7: and then she just showed back up and there was 153 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 7: no explanation. She was fine. You know, the family was hysterical, 154 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 7: but what happened to Sarah Jane? And then when she 155 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 7: showed up again, she just refused to talk about what happened, 156 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 7: and so they ended up just having to let it go. 157 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 6: This is another pattern that would show up again and 158 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 6: again in her adulthood, leaving a situation without providing any 159 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 6: sort of explanation and not looking back. And as we'll see, 160 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 6: this habit would play out in more and more extreme ways. 161 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 6: Sarah Jane was very smart. Her IQ was reportedly near 162 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 6: one pint forty. She got good grades in high school, 163 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 6: and then after graduation the chaos of her adult life began. 164 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 7: She went to nursing school and then quit. You know, 165 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 7: she had the brains and the ability to do whatever 166 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 7: she wanted. 167 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 6: She joined the Women's Army Corps or WAX, then briefly 168 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 6: married a marine named Wallace Anderson. Because of military regulations, 169 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 6: the marriage essentially caught off any possibility that Sarah Jane 170 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 6: could advance to a leadership position in the WAX. This 171 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 6: might have been a moot point because around this time 172 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 6: she suffered a series of fainting spells. These incidents came 173 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 6: to a head in the spring of nineteen fifty when, 174 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 6: after a tour of the White House, she fainted on 175 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 6: the lawn. When she revive, Moore was disoriented, saying she 176 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 6: didn't know who or where she was. She was not 177 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 6: in uniform and had no identification, though for some reason, 178 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 6: she was carrying several photos of herself. While she recovered 179 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 6: at Walter Reed Army Hospital, newspapers ran photos of this 180 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 6: mystery woman seeking information. Both of her parents, living now 181 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 6: in separate states, saw the photos and came to d 182 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 6: c in hospital. Sarah Jane quickly recovered her memory. The 183 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 6: FBI investigated and concluded that she'd purposely left her identification behind. 184 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 6: Was this fainting episode real or a fake, or a 185 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 6: combination of the two, or something else entirely. This is 186 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 6: one of the difficulties in assessing Sarah Jane's life how 187 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 6: much of her strange behavior was calculated. When she was 188 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 6: examined by the psychiatrist Gustav Wiland after her assassination attempt 189 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 6: on Gerald Ford, he noted, I found a confusion of 190 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 6: sanity and reality. You never know to what exct. She 191 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 6: doesn't have things straight. These kinds of observations come up 192 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,239 Speaker 6: time and time again, and accounts of Sarah Jane. 193 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 7: Nobody can seem to crack her psyche on that kind 194 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,119 Speaker 7: of behavior. 195 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 6: The question of how much her unusual, even disturbing behavior 196 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 6: was calculated and how much was mental illness continues throughout 197 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 6: her story. 198 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 7: Sarah Jane I think was very attractive in a lot 199 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 7: of ways, not just physically pleasing, but very smart and 200 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 7: her ability to get people signed on with her. I 201 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 7: think she had a vision of what her life should 202 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 7: be like, and when it didn't turn out that way, 203 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 7: she looked for the nearest exit, so to speak. That's 204 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 7: a repeated behavior throughout her life, these sort of short 205 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 7: stints at things. 206 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 6: This would over time lead to five marriages to four 207 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 6: men and five divorces. Soon after the White house fainting spell. 208 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 6: Sarah Jane divorced Wallace Anderson and left the wax within months. 209 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 6: She was remarried, this time to an Air Force captain 210 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 6: named Sidney Manning. By nineteen fifty three, she had two children, 211 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 6: Sidney Junior and Janet. Sarah Jane struggled to play the 212 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 6: part of a nineteen fifties homemaker. Her mother called her 213 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 6: daily and worried about her parenting of the young children. 214 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 6: Sarah Jane and sid divorce in nineteen fifty four, and 215 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 6: then reconciled and remarried, moving the family from Tucson, Arizona, 216 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 6: to southern Los Angeles. She had a third child, Melissa, 217 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 6: a mentally disabled girl whom Sarah Jane's mother arranged to 218 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 6: be raised by a foster family. Sarah Jane didn't see 219 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 6: Melissa again. 220 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 7: She envisioned some glamorous military wife lifestyle, but it wasn't 221 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 7: as glamorous as she thought it would be. You know, 222 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 7: she was stuck at home with the kids, and she 223 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 7: was living on this millitary base kind of thing, and 224 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 7: it wasn't glamorous. Her mom came to visit, and one 225 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 7: of her brothers came to visit, and they were kind 226 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 7: of disturbed at what they saw in terms of Sarah 227 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 7: Jane being sort of overwhelmed and not really as present 228 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 7: as they would like her to be with the kids, 229 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 7: but she did take care of her children. 230 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 6: During this time, Sarah Jane attended some Hollywood parties and 231 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 6: got a taste of what seemed like a more glamorous life. 232 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 6: In October of nineteen fifty five, she divorced, said for 233 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 6: a second time there would not be another reconciliation, but 234 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 6: she was pregnant again. When Christopher was born, she found 235 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 6: herself living in Los Angeles as a single mother, caring 236 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 6: for three small children. Then came Christmas of nineteen fifty six, 237 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 6: where she committed the most extreme act to date of 238 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 6: shedding her past. 239 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 7: She called her mom and said, you know, I really 240 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 7: need some time at home with you and the kids, 241 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 7: and I'm going to come home. And so they send 242 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 7: her tickets, and her brother Dana, goes to the airport 243 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 7: to pick her up, and he sees people getting off 244 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,359 Speaker 7: the plane, getting off the plane, getting off the plane, 245 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 7: and then finally he sees what we used to call 246 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 7: the steward is carrying baby Christopher, and then her oldest 247 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 7: son helding his sister's hand walking down the stairs. But 248 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 7: there's no Sarah Jane, and Dana is flu mixed. It's like, 249 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 7: where's Sarah Jane with the kids. And her parents tried 250 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 7: to find her. They called the police, they called sid 251 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 7: who you know, said I can't find her. I don't 252 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 7: know anything about that, and she just disappeared. She basically 253 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 7: abandoned her children, at least to her mother and not 254 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 7: on the street, but they could never find her. Her 255 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 7: phone was then disconnected and that was it. She was 256 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 7: no longer the mother of these three children. In her mind. 257 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 6: The split was to She was never in contact with 258 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 6: her children again. Eventually, Sarah Jane's parents would unsuccessfully try 259 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 6: to have her arrested for lack of child support. If 260 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 6: this seems unusual or even pathological, it's not the only 261 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 6: indication Sarah Jane struggled with mental health. The New York 262 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 6: Times later reported that she had been hospitalized at least 263 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 6: seven times for mental health reasons over the years. Her 264 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 6: strange and disagreeable behavior also prevented Sarah Jane from maintaining 265 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 6: employment throughout her adulthood. As a co worker said of her, 266 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 6: if she had only shut up and done her job. 267 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 6: Everything would have been fine, but she couldn't shut up 268 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 6: for ten minutes. This combination of constant reinvention, mental health issues, 269 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 6: and difficult personality next led her to a new husband 270 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 6: who was able to provide the life that she had 271 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 6: envisioned for herself, even if that life didn't in the 272 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 6: end prevent her from returning to her old habits of escape. 273 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 6: After the break, three times divorced and having abandoned three 274 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 6: children with her parents in West Virginia and a fourth 275 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 6: to foster parents, Sarah Jane married a man with a 276 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 6: money and social cachet that her previous husbands had lacked. 277 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 7: John Alberg was a very accomplished sound designer with RKO 278 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 7: and Juan Oscars. 279 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 6: Moore met Alberg while working as an accountant at RKO 280 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 6: Movie Studios. According to Jerry Spieler, The FBI reported that 281 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 6: Sarah Jane had nearly earned a graduate degree in business, 282 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 6: but didn't name the college. Sarah Jane told friends that 283 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 6: she had taken accounting classes at UCLA. John Alberg was 284 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 6: one of the most prominent sound mixers in the film 285 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 6: industry between nineteen thirty six and nineteen fifty four. He 286 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 6: was nominated for ten Oscars for sound production, including for 287 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 6: film classic Citizen Kane and It's a Wonderful Life. Though 288 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 6: he didn't win in any of these years, he was 289 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 6: over time given three technical awards. 290 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 7: When she met John, one thing they said they had 291 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 7: in common as neither of them had any family, so 292 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 7: he didn't know anything about her previous life. This was 293 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 7: Sarah Jane reinventing herself to this man, who was a 294 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 7: very accomplished person in Hollywood. 295 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 6: Later in San Francisco, she would complain to friends about 296 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 6: the pressure to maintain a certain image in Los Angeles. 297 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 6: She hinted that she had undergone cosmetic surgery to live 298 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 6: up to the physical ideals that were expected there. But 299 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 6: of course, with Sarah Jane, there was no way to 300 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 6: know what the truth was. For instance, she became pregnant 301 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 6: by John Alberg. She would later tell the woman she 302 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 6: considered her best friend, a Bay Area radical named Joyce Halverson, 303 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 6: that her interest in Patti hurst kidnapping was in part 304 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 6: you to threat she received in La to kidnap her child. 305 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 6: The kidnapping threats never happened. By the time her fifth child, Frederick, 306 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 6: was born, she had left Alburg after one month of 307 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 6: marriage and moved north to the Bay Area. 308 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 7: Her comment to me in the letters that I had 309 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 7: was she couldn't live in Los Angeles anymore. She had 310 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 7: to leave, So she moved to San Francisco and had 311 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 7: the baby, Frederick, and then met her next husband, Willard Carmel, 312 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 7: who was a physician with Kaiser and he lived up 313 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 7: in Danville. Nobody knows what she told Willard about why 314 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 7: she was pregnant alone in San Francisco. She never explained 315 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 7: that to me. 316 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 6: Her marriage to Willard allowed her to continue the well 317 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 6: healed lifestyle that she'd become accustomed to with John Auberg 318 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 6: in Los Angeles. 319 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 7: Danville and where she lived in the Blackhawk country Club 320 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 7: community is definitely not middle class. 321 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 1: It's upper class. 322 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 7: It's a very expensive community, and they what we call 323 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 7: the East Bay is very conservative, and that after a 324 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 7: while rubbed Sarah Jane the wrong way. But for a 325 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 7: while she was very much the Danville community housewife, but 326 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 7: had some issues around them. 327 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 6: Sarah Jane was living the white picket fence lifestyle that 328 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 6: she probably envisioned for herself. A young child, a doctor husband, 329 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 6: a house, and a wealthy community. She even worked on 330 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 6: the nineteen seventy campaign of a conservative Republican named George Murphy, 331 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 6: who was running for re election to the Senate. He 332 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 6: was the first famous actor elected to statewide office in 333 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 6: California When I. 334 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 3: Was the George Murphy, a star of death Bomb Highway 335 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: nine nine, a suspense. 336 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 5: Played for you, edited and directed by William Spear. 337 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 6: Saddled by his continuing support for the Vietnam War and 338 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 6: reports that he was continuing to receive a salary for 339 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 6: an old position while in the Senate, Murphy lost the 340 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 6: election to a Democrat named John Tunney. Sarah Jane's neighbors 341 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 6: were put off by her manner and campaigning for Murphy. 342 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 6: She was too talkative, too self aggrandizing, not tuned into 343 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 6: other people's responses. As throughout her life, her personality often 344 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 6: graded on those around her. 345 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 7: She wanted to paint her front door purple, and the 346 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 7: community guidelines said you can't do that, and so that 347 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 7: started off a rift between her and her neighbors. Covenants 348 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 7: and restrictions basically had you know, you can only paint 349 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 7: your house this color, and you know you can't have 350 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 7: cars on the street, or you can't have an RV 351 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 7: on the street, and all the stuff that goes around 352 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 7: with a planned community like that. 353 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 6: Her community had rules and covenants prohibiting a whole host 354 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 6: of things in order to keep the development looking clean 355 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 6: and homogeneous. The rules did not allow purple front doors. 356 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 6: Sarah Jane lost this fight, but it was another example 357 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 6: of her irritating the people around her. Her marriage to 358 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 6: Willard Carmel lasted four years. 359 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 7: Sarah Jane did a one to eighty after living in 360 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 7: Danville for a while and going through the divorce. That's 361 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 7: when Patty Hurst got kidnapped. 362 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 6: On February twentieth, nineteen seventy five. Sarah Jane arrived at 363 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 6: the chaos of Penn Headquarters with her bookkeeping experience and 364 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 6: the ambition to become a leader. She also possessed the 365 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 6: self assurance to hold her own in an environment rife 366 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 6: with strong personalities and rivalries. As journalist Carol Polgash wrote 367 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 6: of her, Sarah was unintimidated, a fact she spread to 368 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 6: anyone who would listen. She could handle anyone, ignore any 369 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 6: foul language, and maintain her cool, she would say. In 370 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 6: his book My Search for Patty Hurst, Patty's boyfriend Stephen 371 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 6: Weed describes going to the Penn headquarters at a time 372 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 6: when Ludlow Kramer, the Washington Secretary of State and the 373 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 6: man in charge of the pen program, was away in 374 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 6: Washington State along with his deputy. Sarah Jane, who had 375 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 6: the title of executive Secretary, had been left in charge. 376 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 6: Weed starts by describing the squalor. 377 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: The walls were smeared and dirty. There was garbage everywhere. 378 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: In short, the offices had become a crash pad for 379 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: anyone who walked in off the street. The smell of 380 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: marijuana filled the air. People were lying on the floor 381 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: and sleeping bags and winos were slumped in the alcove. 382 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 6: Sarah Jane got the warehouse guards to remove these people, 383 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 6: despite the protests of a long haired sixteen year old 384 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 6: who thought it was elitist. The next day, she came 385 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 6: in to find the warehouse volunteers, including a young warehouse 386 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 6: foreman named Mike, masked around a secretary named Nancy who 387 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 6: had been coming down from a drug trip all night. 388 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 6: Weed wrote, We've got. 389 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: To get her out of here. Sarah snapped, we can't 390 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: let the whole program come to a grind because of Nancy. 391 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: People like Nancy is what the program is all about. 392 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: No it's not. We're here to get Patty out. 393 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 6: Sarah Jane took Nancy to another room and told her 394 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 6: that she was a detriment to the program. Nancy said 395 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 6: she'd leave if she was a problem, but didn't want 396 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 6: to go. Mike came into the room. According to Weed, 397 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 6: Sarah Jane told Mike to get out there and get 398 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 6: those people to work. Mike protested that he couldn't leave Nancy, 399 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 6: who was now sobbing. Eventually, Sarah Jane had a volunteer 400 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 6: take Nancy home. Two days later, Mike came into Sarah 401 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 6: Jane's office shouting wildly and then broke down crying. Sarah 402 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 6: Jane called Ludlow Kramer in Washington, and Kramer told her 403 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 6: to fire him. But who's going to run the warehouse? 404 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 6: Sarah Jane asked him, We've got forty people out there 405 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 6: and none of them know what they're doing. We'd wrote that. 406 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 6: Kramer said to just do the best you can and 407 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 6: hung up the phone. 408 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 5: For two months, from mid February to me April, Sarah 409 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 5: Jane centered her life around her pin work. Her son, Fred, 410 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 5: now nine, spent most days and nights with a babysitter, 411 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 5: but despite her dedication and ambition. Is perhaps not surprising 412 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 5: that injecting Sarah Jane's volatility into an effort that's disorganized 413 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 5: as PIN would not prove sustainable. 414 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 7: So there's this different thing sort of clashing all at 415 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 7: the same time at people in need for one thing, 416 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 7: Sarah Jane being sort of difficult to work with. On 417 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 7: the other side of Sarah Jane wanting to be in 418 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 7: the know and in the group, in the clique politically. 419 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 5: In the PIN warehouse where people vied for authority and influence, 420 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 5: her ambition and strangeness stood out. Carol Pogash described it 421 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 5: as her persistence and pathetic personality. When the end came, 422 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 5: she did not go quietly. Richard Palladino, the head of security, 423 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 5: had received so many complaints about Sarah Jane that he 424 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 5: felt compelled to investigate. 425 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 7: It got so bad that Palladino went into her office 426 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 7: to see what was going on and pulled out a 427 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 7: drawer and found old bills and receipts and things that 428 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 7: had never been logged in that basically she was not 429 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 7: really doing the job, but loved being in the new 430 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 7: and somebody who was important because she was keeping the records, 431 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 7: so she was part of the elite group working there, 432 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 7: and she liked that image of herself. But when they 433 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 7: realized she wasn't doing her job, Palladino said, they physically 434 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 7: marched her out of PIN headquarters and told her to 435 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 7: go home. 436 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 5: The New York Times quoted a PIN worker as saying, 437 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 5: we marched her out of the office screaming and crying, 438 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 5: with two men holding her arms. Her expulsion from PEN 439 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 5: was not the end of her interaction with radical activists, 440 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 5: though it was just the beginning. Sarah Jane was a 441 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 5: keen observer of the dynamics in the PIN warehouse and 442 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 5: had identified a former prisoner and current activist named Wilfred 443 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 5: Popeye Jackson as someone who could be a valuable friend. 444 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 7: This character Popeye Jackson, who was very well known in 445 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 7: the Bay Area for his political views and his program 446 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 7: for literacy for prisoners. He was the guy to know, 447 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 7: and Sarah Jane saw that and she wanted to get 448 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 7: to know him. He was unofficially sort of management. He 449 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 7: went around to make sure that things were going right, 450 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 7: that food was getting packed properly. He would didn't have 451 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 7: any official capacity at PINN, but he was the political 452 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 7: person who would walk around and make sure everybody was 453 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 7: doing their jobs. If Popeye said jump, you said how high? 454 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 5: In Popeye Jackson, Sarah Jane found the man who would 455 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 5: for a time be her patron in the world at 456 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 5: Bay Area Radicals. 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