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Speaker 1: Welcome to a little bonus edition of the No Dunks Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jay Skeets here in Atlanta. Alongside me, we got

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Speaker 1: the beard to one Trey Kirby, our super producer JD

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Speaker 1: and a very special guest. He is the winner of

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Speaker 1: Survivor Ghost Island and you're currently watching him battle the

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Speaker 1: all time greats on the fortieth season Survivor Winners at War.

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Speaker 1: He's also a pretty decent hooper, at least according to

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Speaker 1: his Instagram account. It's Wendell holl And Wendell.

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Speaker 2: What's up man? Hey, thanks a lot. It's great to

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Speaker 2: be here. I appreciate it. I hope a little bit

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Speaker 2: I play Survivor a little bit, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well this is a real treat for us

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Speaker 1: because we obviously do an NBA show. We have for

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Speaker 1: over ten years now. We're diehard NBA fans. We've been

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Speaker 1: blessed to interview Hall of famers, you know, MVPs, the

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Speaker 1: next generation of stars. We've covered All Star weekends, We've

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Speaker 1: been in the locker room for championship teams who and

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Speaker 1: all of that fails in comparison to how excited we

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Speaker 1: are to have on a Survivor in yourself. I'm dead serious,

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Speaker 1: like like a Hall of Famer is in here. I know, man,

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Speaker 1: I know, like I've gotten a wedgie from Shack Live

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Speaker 1: on the air, and I couldn't care less. This is

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Speaker 1: way more exciting to us. So we really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Again, I appreciate you guys having me I that those

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Speaker 2: are wonderful words of encouragement. I hope I live up

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Speaker 2: to you know, being you guys guy out here. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's good to be here. It's going to be back

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Speaker 2: in Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I went to Morehouse?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, what brought you back down here for

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Speaker 1: this weekend?

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Speaker 2: Atlanta? Atlanta's like a second home to me. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: I went to Morehouse Classic O six and so I

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Speaker 2: have a whole lot of college buddies that live down here.

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Speaker 2: And because for my work I build and design furniture

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Speaker 2: at Beave Unlimited, I always have a lot of deliveries

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Speaker 2: down here. So I'm down here like three four times

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Speaker 2: a year.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, and you live in the Philadelphia area. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how long is that drive that's kip? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not a couple.

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Speaker 2: Hours, it's not down the street, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Thirty nine days.

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Speaker 2: I get that.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's not. That's not.

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Speaker 2: It took us fourteen hours yesterday, but usually it takes

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Speaker 2: us around eleven. There was some traffic and some not

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Speaker 2: so wonderful weather, but.

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Speaker 1: You got here safe. Well again, we appreciate you coming

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Speaker 1: in here. I know you're so what are you gonna

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Speaker 1: be doing besides the delivery this weekend? Just having fun

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Speaker 1: catching up with friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a whole itinerary. We have all the

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Speaker 2: bars we're gonna hit.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I try to make sure because I only come for

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Speaker 2: like three four days. I want to be able to

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Speaker 2: squeeze in enough eateries because Atlanta has great spots and

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Speaker 2: enough bars and everything. So I always call my buddy

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Speaker 2: Mark and ask him where where should we go on

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Speaker 2: each specific night. Tonight's Top Golf. We're gonna go.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I done it before.

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Speaker 2: I've done it before. Last time I was here was

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Speaker 2: so much fun.

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Speaker 1: It is good time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to be a great golfer to

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Speaker 2: go enjoy yourself at Top.

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Speaker 1: No, it's it's like bowling version of golf. Yes, it

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Speaker 1: is really what it is, Yes, which you can have

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun even if you're not a great

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Speaker 1: bowler or.

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Speaker 2: In this case of golfer, You're right exactly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're just you're gonna have an action packed

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a spa that I'm going to at

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Speaker 2: some point too. They got Missy Survivor told me about

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Speaker 2: a spot, you know, missing FILD season thirty nine. She

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Speaker 2: lives down here, good friend. She told me about a

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Speaker 1: On your website, I love the I love your site

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Speaker 1: because there's like two main subheaders. It's one, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about your bed the future for furniture company you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: and then two it's let's talk about Survivor. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I love how you've just divided it. And we got

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Speaker 1: a lot of survivor questions. But why are you staying

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Speaker 2: So there are different cities that I truly love. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it up there. I love

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Speaker 2: is definitely home. My mother and father lived there. My

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Speaker 2: Philly's definitely home for me. I also went to law

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Speaker 2: school at U Penn, right, so I have a lot

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Speaker 1: And you're hooping as much as you can, hooping.

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Speaker 2: As much as I can. Yeah yeah, I try maybe

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Speaker 1: It's not bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, between one to four times a week. I

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Speaker 2: refs are terrible in that league. But I I enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: It's like my I've been in it since law school

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Speaker 1: And what's your game like? If you had to compare

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Speaker 1: you know, your attributes?

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Speaker 2: My game has changed.

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Speaker 1: Oh you've gotten old is what that means.

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Speaker 2: It happens father time. So I would compare myself now,

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Speaker 2: I just now it's a success if I don't injure myself.

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Speaker 2: I have torn my ACL out there before, like five

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Speaker 1: So you did that, you tore your achilles going sorry

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Speaker 2: Going before going out, So yeah, it was maybe uh

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Speaker 2: I left U now less than a week before I left.

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Speaker 2: I jump up for a rebound. I catch an elbow

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Speaker 2: They said I needed all these stitches and I'm like, hey, Doc,

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Speaker 2: I'm going out for Survivor in like five days. He said, Nah,

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Speaker 2: we need to sit you up. You got to come

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Speaker 2: can't do that, so he glued me up. So before Ghostylin,

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Speaker 2: I kind of had like an open wound on my face,

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Speaker 1: So you're just like keeping your hand up there the

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Speaker 2: Just trying to keep on the low, you know. And

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Speaker 1: So so that sounds like a little bit of a tip.

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Speaker 4: You gotta kind of treat survivor like a wedding. You

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Speaker 4: got to shut down all athletic activity before your head. Now,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty bad. You want to

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Speaker 1: How much did your basketball background help you when you

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Speaker 1: were out there, because there's those type of challenges where

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Speaker 2: I think it helped regarding yes, the athleticism and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: For sure, you're shooting things into things you're running around,

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Speaker 2: and basketball does that, but even more so than that,

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Speaker 2: and in life and anytime I give speeches, especially to children,

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Speaker 2: you think about basketball and you apply that to your

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Speaker 2: to lose, taking losses, and you know, fighting back. All

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Speaker 2: these lessons that you learn on the court are applicable

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Speaker 2: to life, but also in the game of survivor. I've

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Speaker 2: always been a leader on the court, but and I

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Speaker 2: talk a little trash on the court too, sure, but

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Speaker 2: in the game of Survivor, I wanted to lead my tribe,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't want to be too too visible because

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Speaker 2: as you guys know as students of the game, that

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Speaker 2: that person is the biggest target. So I tried to

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Speaker 2: hide behind some of the younger but like bigger looking, bigger,

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Speaker 2: give them, but definitely applied basketball principles and lessons to

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Speaker 1: Did you like sort of try and hide your you know,

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Speaker 1: physical skills. Did you ever throw anything? Because that comes

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Speaker 1: up a lot, this idea of like, you know, you're

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Speaker 1: suddenly a target if everyone's he's like, oh, is he

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Speaker 1: ever gonna lose? Let's get rid of him. Did you

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Speaker 1: ever sort of tone that down? Or because you're an athlete,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like tough to turn that off. I'd imagine,

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Speaker 1: like you want to win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So about me, I'd been a Survivor fan for

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Speaker 2: years and I applied for maybe like seven previous years. Wow,

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Speaker 2: so since I'm in my twenties applying now I'm thirty five.

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Speaker 2: I played my first season when I was thirty three.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Now I'm going to be sweating out here now.

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Speaker 2: didn't take too too long to get used to the

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00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,880
Speaker 2: cameras because at the end of the day, if you're

437
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,440
Speaker 2: a competitor and you know what you're there for, then

438
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 2: certain things won't hinder you or get you out of

439
00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,040
Speaker 2: that get you out of that mode. But at first

440
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 2: there is kind of an adjustment, and you also there's

441
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,920
Speaker 2: there's a word they like to use, continuity. There are

442
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 2: things like skeates if we're on the island and we

443
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 2: noticed a cameraman wasn't there, and they do their best

444
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,880
Speaker 2: to have a crew everywhere at all times. But if

445
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 2: then I'm telling you, hey, I want to reach into

446
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,159
Speaker 2: my bag and slip you an idol or something, and

447
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,399
Speaker 2: it's not on camera, then there's no continuity. Then you

448
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:14,119
Speaker 2: get to tribal council and they don't. It's like Wendell

449
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 2: found an idol? How did he pass? When did this

450
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 2: idol get to you. So as a as a player,

451
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,199
Speaker 2: you kind of understand, like, all right, maybe I'll give

452
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 2: it an extra two seconds so that camera crew just

453
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,239
Speaker 2: gets to me and then we'll have that conversation. Then

454
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 2: I'll slip you that idol.

455
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 1: So you're not trying to purposely hide what you're doing

456
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: out there from the camera crew. It's almost the opposite.

457
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 2: If you're a bad Survivor player, then you're trying to

458
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 2: hide it from the crew because at the end of

459
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 2: the day, the crew, the producers. There are producers all

460
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 2: over the island. They have earpieces and they can tap

461
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 2: into any camera person, and so the cameraman might whisper, hey,

462
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 2: Wendell is passing Trey an advantage right now and then

463
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 2: so then they know to listen in on that conversation.

464
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 2: And you want the cameraman to know that, and you

465
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 2: want the producer to know that, so they might take

466
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 2: that note and remind I don't know how Jeff Probes

467
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: does it every night, but they might be able to

468
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: remind Jeff, hey, there was a time Wendell pass Trey

469
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 2: an advantage. You might want to ask Trey, hey, what's

470
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: going on with advantages on this Island, he was, Yeah, he.

471
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: Must get like a print out at the end of

472
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: every night, like a breakdown, sort of like the highlights.

473
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: So the speed, he's the best, he's the ultimate. He's

474
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 2: definitely briefed. But at tribal which could last hour and

475
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 2: a half, two hours, even three hours. Wow, you see

476
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 2: it as you know, twelve minutes and a commercial on

477
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: the show. But Jeff isn't reading anything. He doesn't have

478
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 2: any earpieces. He's just that sharp.

479
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 1: He's just talking.

480
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: So but to answer, so go back and answer the

481
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 2: question about cameramen and getting adjusted to that. I think

482
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 2: a good survivor understands that maybe I'll walk just a

483
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 2: little slower. You know, I won't walk one hundred percent,

484
00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: I'll walk ninety percent so the camera crew can properly

485
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 2: capture this moment to tell my story, because I want

486
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: to enable them to tell the best story for me,

487
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: So I'll do my best to work with them.

488
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 4: Is that something you had to learn then, because clearly

489
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 4: the storytelling is a big part of making a show,

490
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 4: also a big reason why you would get the win

491
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 4: when you finally come to Tribal console. I would imagine

492
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 4: it's probably also something that clicked for you when you

493
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 4: finally got on the show, like learning to tell your

494
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 4: own story about this is why you would want me

495
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 4: to be on Survivor.

496
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I say, like good survivors, Like I

497
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: think if you're if you're self aware, you know that

498
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: this is a working relationship. They're not help they're not

499
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 2: like they're not doing anything to like help my game.

500
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: They just want to tell my story. Sure, so why

501
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 2: and they're out here this is their job, you know,

502
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: So they're out here trying to tell your story. Why

503
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 2: not just allow them to do that without complaining that

504
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: we were on a boat extra long or that this

505
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 2: wasn't there. Because sometimes you'll come you are taking on

506
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 2: boats from island to island because we're actually we actually

507
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 2: have our own islands. Some people wonder, you know, are

508
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 2: they just on the other side of No, we have

509
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: our own islands. And sometimes if you say win a

510
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: reward and you're on the way back to the island

511
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: and they haven't set that reward up yet, then maybe

512
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 2: you have to sit in the boat an extra ten

513
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 2: to fifteen minutes, right, And I've heard castaways complain and

514
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: a second you're you're you want to reward you're about

515
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 2: to get you're about to be given something and you're

516
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: complaining just like I got a haircut. It Yeah, so uh,

517
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 2: Survivor and also life, it's really about self awareness and

518
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 2: they've explored that over the last few seasons, and there

519
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 2: have been tremendously un self aware players out there, and

520
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 2: and I think to be a good survivor, that's one

521
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: thing you need.

522
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: What is Camp life like? Is it boring most of

523
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: the time when you're not going to the challenge or

524
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: you're not going to tribal Council.

525
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: For me, especially my first season, what I did was

526
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: whenever I was around Camp, I tried to keep my

527
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: brain sharp by keeping my hands doing something something. I

528
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: was always building something. At one point, I guess around

529
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: the merge, we want a sewing kit, so I started

530
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: sewing up a backpack. I fixed Kellen's belt. There were

531
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: all these things that I would do to just stay moving.

532
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: I made games that sometimes we'd come back from a

533
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 2: challenge and see some producers playing around with my games

534
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: that I've made. So it can be boring for people,

535
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 2: and I have heard people say how boring it is.

536
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: But what I tried to do was always stay active,

537
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 2: and doing something. In season forty, which is on right now,

538
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: there are it's Winners at War and all these players

539
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 2: are playing at a very high level, so there's never

540
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: a moment to take a nap. Historically, you're not You

541
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: shouldn't be that person napping at camp because if you

542
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 2: see someone napping, that means that they're comfortable enough to nap, right,

543
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: just sleeping all day. Yeah, so camp life it has

544
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: been boring for some players.

545
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: But you tried to choose to not make.

546
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: Himself op to op to do things.

547
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

548
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if you're at work, I worked at a

549
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: cookie shop, I worked at like a hogi a sandwich

550
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 2: shop before, and some of my bosses said, time to lean,

551
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: time to clean. So like, if you have the time

552
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: to chill, like, nah, you should be doing something.

553
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: There's always something else you could be Yeah. Yeah.

554
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: In the game of survivor, you should just be doing something,

555
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 2: whether it's strategizing, talking to somebody, building relationships, or just

556
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: having making a genuine connection with people. You should always

557
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: be doing something.

558
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny in these first couple of episodes of

559
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: season forty, here the Winners at War, you had already

560
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: talked about, Well, I don't want to be the building

561
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: guy again. I don't want to do old everything again.

562
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: And then like you know, cut to you basically building.

563
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, they have They probably have so much

564
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: footage of me building those first few days out there

565
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: that like it. And I definitely what I wanted to do.

566
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 2: Because I am one of the newer winners. They just

567
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: saw me like a year prior, so I'd be fresh

568
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: on their minds and so I was like, you know what,

569
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: I'll build these relationships. I won't build the camp as

570
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: much as last time, and then I ended up building

571
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: like the taj Mahal out there.

572
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: So you sort of actively went in thinking I'm gonna

573
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: try and switch things up, but in the end you

574
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: maybe just were yourself.

575
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I fell back to what I'm comfortable doing, right,

576
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: and that's that's my authentic self. I am a blue

577
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: collar guy. I roll up my sleeves and I get

578
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 2: my hands dirty, and so that's what I wanted to do.

579
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 2: And those first few days, the tribe was willing to help,

580
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: and so we built a nice shelter.

581
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: But you said this second season, your second go on it,

582
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: it was just with all the winners there, it was

583
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: just so much more like aggressive in terms of the

584
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: gameplay and the strategize.

585
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: So much more aggressive. There are players that this is

586
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: there like fifth and fourth and third times playing. This

587
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: is my second time playing in two and a half years.

588
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: Some people played fifteen years ago and thirteen years ago

589
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: and twelve years ago, and they played on this season

590
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: with these four other winners, and one guy married this woman,

591
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: and these two used to date, and there are so

592
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: many There are so many bonds and relationships over the

593
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: last two decades that are and will play out on

594
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: season forty. And for me, as a new winner to

595
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: come in kind of untethered to any of these people

596
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: because I'm so new. All I have is the fact

597
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: that I am a social person. I won not the

598
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: most immediate season, but the one before that. So Nick

599
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: Wilson was out there with me, the winner of the

600
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: season after mine. But because I had that you know,

601
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: year buffer, I was able to meet some other winners.

602
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: I traveled a little bit. I was able to meet

603
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: the Queen Sandra, and you know, a handful of winners.

604
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: And that's so cool as a fan, turn player turned winner,

605
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: to actually meet these other winners. So I went out

606
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 2: there with some connections. But coming into a Returney season,

607
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: what I realized different from my first season is that

608
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: it seemed very much so like these people are out

609
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: for business. It's not like, WHOA, we're all fans, Oh

610
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: my god, look at this cool. It's like, nah, this

611
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: is business. We're a bunch of players. We're out here

612
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: to get that two million dollar check.

613
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: And did you know the two million dollar prize was

614
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: that kept seeking from you guys?

615
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: It was kept So when Jeff announces it and you

616
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: see those reactions, those are genuine reactions. I was ecstatic,

617
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: like I'll do I'll do anything for that money, and

618
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm willing to stab you know, I'm ready to turn

619
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: the thing on. And I think Jeff said, and this

620
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: wasn't on camera, but he said something to the tune

621
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: of I literally just got an email or just got

622
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: a call granting us permission to say that two million

623
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: dollars within a matter of hours of him announcing it

624
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: to us. So it was really like he heard the word,

625
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: he related to us, and you see those genuine emotions.

626
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: Is it tough to balance being like a normal good

627
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 4: guy in regular life and then coming out there and

628
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: being like I've known you people for a couple of years.

629
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: I'm ready to vote you out.

630
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: And stab you in the back.

631
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: Who I mean, I can imagine at least the first

632
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: time around, at least you didn't know these people for

633
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 4: more than thirty days before you're voting them out. You

634
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 4: could like you're saying, Robin Amber, they're married.

635
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: You know.

636
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 4: Some of these people have known each other for ten years.

637
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 4: You've known a couple of them for a year and

638
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 4: a half.

639
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: You learn very fast that these people who maybe played

640
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: together on whatever season, are willing to cut those people's throats.

641
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: And as as a new person that played the good

642
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: guy role, didn't have a lot of blood on my

643
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: hands my first season it was trial by fire, and

644
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: I learned very fast you gotta be willing to cut

645
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: anybody out here. And so yeah, that's uh, I think

646
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: that's the name of the game all season forty. Now

647
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: we're in episode three is coming up, and we saw Tyson,

648
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: I guess during the first episode say he was willing

649
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: to vote out Amber. And Tyson is very very close

650
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: with the Amber's husband, Boston Rob. So it's like to

651
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: save his own you know, to save himself, he's able to,

652
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: you know, stab his homies wife in the bag. So

653
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: you know, we learned very early, but.

654
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: Maybe in a weird way. Is it easier with all

655
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: winners because they've played the game before, they know what

656
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: it takes to win, And yeah, you're right, you can

657
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: play sort of a clean game, but you sometimes other

658
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: people have played ruthless games, but everybody knows it is

659
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: just a game.

660
00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, with all winners, all returneys people. A

661
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: lot of times people go into their first season like,

662
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: there are things that I will and will not do.

663
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: I want to represent for X, Y and Z like me.

664
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: I wanted to be able. I wanted my niece and nephew,

665
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: who were like one at the time, to be able

666
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: to watch me at some point and be proud of

667
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: the game I played, win, lose or draw. I wanted

668
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: to do well for my community, my parents, et cetera.

669
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: I won't ever use profanity. I'm thirty five years old.

670
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: I won't use profanity in front of my parents. I

671
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: didn't do that on national TV, and so I did

672
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: that my first time around. But then coming back, you

673
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: learn a lot from these seasoned vets, and she's like, man,

674
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: I think I might have used some profanity out there.

675
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: I was willing to do whatever. So yeah, it's it's

676
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: you understand. And I think I've even heard Probes say

677
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: it before. It's like it's our fortieth season. We understand

678
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: that this isn't real life. We've had school teachers, we've

679
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: had principals, We've had you know, people in the church

680
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: and all these holy people and everything on the game

681
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: willing to do these things because it's a game. And

682
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: that like, I'm not like a sociopath or anything, because

683
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: I'm willing to, you know, step away from the wendle

684
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: that everyone knows and play this game because this is

685
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: the arena that I'm in, and these are the rules

686
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 2: that I can abide by in this game, and these

687
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: are the things I'm allowed to do out here because

688
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: it's a game. But that's not who I am, sure,

689
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: just because I'm mind all these people. Yeah, so yeah,

690
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: it's a game, and I think it's season forty. People

691
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: are willing to show that it's a game. And outside

692
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: the game, we could be friends and I love each other.

693
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: But it is that whole detachment thing. It's like this

694
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: this is not really me, but it always and then

695
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: the argument is, but that is a part of you.

696
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: It's in there, you found it in you somewhere. Yeah,

697
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: that's what I find fascinating by it. And I think, like,

698
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, all of us that would like to go

699
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: on it one day, that's where you're like, what would

700
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: I do? How far would I go? What would I say?

701
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, And that's what's the fascinating part of

702
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: the show.

703
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, or makes it a part of it

704
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: such a tremendous show. I try to think, like how

705
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: long will it go on? And all these things because

706
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: Jeff is such a huge part in the show. And

707
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: I mean, Jeff Probes doesn't age, you know, like the guy,

708
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: and especially up here, he just gets sharper and sharper.

709
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: But it's like, for real, how much longer will this

710
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: thing go? But then I see that there are all

711
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: these other survivors, survivors Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and whatnot,

712
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: and they all have these hosts that almost seem like

713
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: props clones almost, so it's existing in other places And

714
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I just I just wanted to

715
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: go on forever. It's made so many people, it's made

716
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: so many podcasts, and like it's given so it has

717
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: enabled so many more things to happen, and I don't know,

718
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: it's just it's a beautiful thing. There have been marriages

719
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: and children and all these things that come out of

720
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: the castaways, but also the production producers and whatnot are

721
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: married to each other and camera they're married to each other.

722
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing.

723
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan's like, brother, isn't it works on camera?

724
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: He's a cameraman. Yeah.

725
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just like popped in my head.

726
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: I remember that. I remember that.

727
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's a weird little fact that the NBA

728
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: Survivor World did a crossover. I had a question about

729
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: go silent. When you won, you tied at the end.

730
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: That was a first in Survivor history. With Dominic you

731
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: got the tie and everyone's like, well, what happens now,

732
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: and it's the third person. It was Laurel, right, the

733
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: third member of the final tribal council. She got no vote,

734
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: so it's like, well, now you decide. So that's an

735
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: interesting one because Propes reads the votes right there in

736
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: front of you guys, and then she casts a vote,

737
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: and then you don't find out until the live premiere.

738
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: Were you pretty confident to dollars.

739
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 2: Let's let's set this up. So, yes, I was pretty confident.

740
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: The short of it is, yes, I was pretty confident.

741
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: But no, you don't know until, however, my eight ten

742
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: months later, when you're at that live finale and Jeff

743
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: Pros finally pulls that partsment out and read your name,

744
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: You don't know. But throughout the game, Dominic, Laurel and

745
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: myself we were super tight. We were this air tight

746
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 2: alliance that wanted to get to the end together. Laurel

747
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: saved our backs many times. But then again, without us,

748
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: she might have been voted out earlier, you know, so

749
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: we saved her. It was this mutual arrangement that we

750
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: will look out for each other, and that paid dividends

751
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: at the end. And you have this woman like Laurel,

752
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,959
Speaker 2: who I'm so close with and I was so close

753
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: with on the island that was like a brother sister bond.

754
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: But she her and Dominic they slept next to each

755
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: other by the fire every single night, and sleeping arrangements

756
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: says a lot. On the island. It's not really like

757
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 2: that wasn't anything romantic, but it's like, man, if you're

758
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: laying next to this person, you're speaking, you're talking to

759
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: that person's whether it's strategy or anything. Hey, I got

760
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: your back. Hey tomorrow, we're gonna do this, this, and that.

761
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: And I was up in the shelter that I built,

762
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: but these two slept next to each other every single night,

763
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: which said some things. But at the end, you have

764
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: this woman Laurel who she was like a state champ swimmer.

765
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: She went to Yale, super brilliant, she was a volleyball

766
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: player at Yale. She had been at the top of

767
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: her game her whole life. Then she gets on this

768
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: show that she's loved her whole life, and then she

769
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: makes it to the end with these two kind of titans,

770
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: myself and Dom, who played very strong games. But her

771
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: thought was like, you know what, maybe maybe they're gonna

772
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: split some votes and then I'll get I'll pick up

773
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: votes and there'll be enough to push me over, which

774
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: didn't happen, and it put her in this difficult position

775
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: because this person that's only used to success in their

776
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: whole life, for her to then have to get zero

777
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: votes at the end of tribal council in the first

778
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: time ever, and then for her to make the decision

779
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: between two people that she was super close with I

780
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: felt so much for her, and fortunately my bond with

781
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: her pushed that over in my direction. But man, that

782
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: would have been a very difficult decision for anybody to make.

783
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally luckily she she made the right choice. Sound

784
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm sweating right now thinking I was

785
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: there on the island with it. Was amazing.

786
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: What it was?

787
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: The first cool thing you bought with your million dollar victory,

788
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: the first cool.

789
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: Thing I bought. I'm very proud of this item, and

790
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: don't judge me. The first the thing I splurged on

791
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: was a Rihanna shower curtain. I don't understand.

792
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 3: Why it has Rihanna on it, or she designed it

793
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: or what do you mean?

794
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: I designed it? Thank you very much.

795
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: So I found a custom printed I.

796
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: Found a high, high resolution image of Rihanna online. What's up?

797
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: I found a high image, you know, And I found

798
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: a company I think in China that is willing to

799
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: print any image on a shower curtain. And I'm like,

800
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: this is brilliant. I would love this giant image of

801
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: Rihanna in my bathroom. It's I'm not a freak. It's

802
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: not facing the inside of the shower. It's like a

803
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: piece of art. It's facing the outside, but it's this

804
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: Uh that was the one splurge it was about I think,

805
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: like sixty five bucks. Wow, it's a shower curtain, right,

806
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: I love? Yeah it is.

807
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love beating you out on the island for

808
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: thirty nine days. So a man, I've better win this case.

809
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: I want to custom Yeah.

810
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what I got. I actually I posted

811
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: it on my Instagram story. If you maybe like a

812
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: week ago, okay.

813
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: I guess. So it was the first thing. Sixty five

814
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: dollars look at this crazy yeah, right, big spender. So

815
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have bought it if you hadn't won.

816
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm frugal, I'm cheek. Call me what

817
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: you want, but I I had to spend I had

818
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: to spend that money. You guys know, I had to

819
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: spend that money.

820
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: What's your sure what's your favorite thing about survivor that

821
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: you know playing it? What's been your favorite.

822
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: Thoh As a big fan that finally got on in

823
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 2: one of the later seasons, my favorite thing is being

824
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: able to meet and interact with all of these former players,

825
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: be it winners or just notable characters. Or anybody. I'm

826
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 2: now a part of the Survivor community, and.

827
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: You're pretty active.

828
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: I'm super active. Yeah, I'm I'm social in life. You know.

829
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: That's just me. That's who I am. I just love people.

830
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: But now that I'm a part of this community, I'm

831
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 2: able to meet all these people that I watched and

832
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: it's awesome as a fan to meet them. But what's

833
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: even crazier and mind blowing to me is some people

834
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: are actually excited to meet me. Some of these people

835
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 2: that I watched season after season are like, oh my god, Wendell,

836
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: it's good to me you yeah, And I'm just that's

837
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: crazy to me.

838
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: Did you was there someone in particular you were super

839
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: excited when you played Winners at War. You were like, yes,

840
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: so and so is here.

841
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: There's one person that I modeled my game after, and

842
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: I just I was like, if I go on, if

843
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: I ever make it on Survivor, I will play a

844
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 2: game like Jeremy Collins. Down to earth, hard worker, blue

845
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: collar guy. He's a fireman, he has a family, he's

846
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: an amazing father. His wife Val was on the show.

847
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 2: He's just this stand up guy that just does great

848
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: things for the community. He's a fireman, but also for

849
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: his family. You can see you can look at his

850
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: Instagram or anything. He's a great father. And I'm like, man,

851
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: I want to be like him in life. Let alone

852
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 2: play a great game. He's a and he's a solid

853
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 2: survivor player. He won. So after getting on, I wanted

854
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: to play like him, and I think the producers kind

855
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: of saw me as someone that might be able to

856
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: play like Jeremy though I don't have a wife and

857
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: kids or anything like that, but just a good guy

858
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: kind of sort of and.

859
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: Strategic challenge a player.

860
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I played like I kind of played like

861
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: him play kept it clean. But then I wanted to

862
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: meet him, and being a furniture designers deliver, you know,

863
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: I deliver all over the place. One time I got

864
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: to Boston and he lives up there, and I think

865
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: this was while I was on the show, and he

866
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: didn't accept my Instagram request, which was fine, but I

867
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: think I like messaged him a few times on Snapchat

868
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 2: like Jeremy, I'm in your city, Jeremy. No, no, Jeremy.

869
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: A few days in a row, no response. So now

870
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: I go back home and I'm like holding my head down.

871
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: But then on the next trip to Boston, my friend

872
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: Michelle Fitzgerald, who was on season forty, she won co wrong.

873
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: She is friends with him and his wife. She introduced

874
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: me to him and I was so star struck then

875
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: and it was just so great to meet him. And

876
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: then fast forward like a year and a half and

877
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: I'm playing and I'm looking across and battling him, and

878
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: that was that. It was like, it was epic. The

879
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: first episode he beat me at a ring toss challenge

880
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: we can talk about. I wanted to look cool. I

881
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: was throwing it like Frisney style, it basically Granny style, right,

882
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: like Rick Berry. Yeah, I wanted to maintain some some

883
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: dignity and throw it, you know, like a real one.

884
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: But Jeremy comes out there and just knocks him down

885
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: Grandma style, like you know what. He swallowed his pride

886
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: and did it and got the job done. So respect

887
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: to that.

888
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: Have you ever been mad with an edit that you've gotten,

889
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: that you've watched, maybe even in a challenge, Yeah, they're like, oh,

890
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: they made Jeremy look like you hit three in a row.

891
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: Right. Players, Players do get mad with their edits, And

892
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: there is this thing in the Survivor community called the

893
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: winners edit, where they kind of gear the show, or

894
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: where fans say that they kind of gear the show

895
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: towards the winner to make this winner look like a

896
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: winner or a hero.

897
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: So it makes sense to us that it makes sense.

898
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I Fortunately, I went out there and I won

899
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: on my first try boom, so I got and I

900
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 2: didn't think I played so dirty, and they didn't show

901
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: me playing dirty because I don't think I did. But

902
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: also I was the winner, so one might say, oh,

903
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: Wendell got the Winners edit, But regardless of that, I

904
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: also walked into it knowing what I signed up for, win,

905
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: loser draw. However I play, they will have, you know, however,

906
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: many hours of the footage of me doing whatever it

907
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: is I'm doing out there, And if I decide to

908
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: use the profanity and do shady things and be mean

909
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: to producers or whatever, they have a lot on camera

910
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: that they can paint me however they want. So fortunately

911
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: they've given me favorable edits, and you know, we're two

912
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: episodes into season forty and I say some funny things

913
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 2: or that. You know, they got me doing well in challenges,

914
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: So I'm not mad at the edit right right right.

915
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: Now, that's true. Maybe it changes suddenly if you're voted

916
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: out or you're whatever, something happens, and it's I'm sure

917
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: you're looking at maybe a little different.

918
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So but then again, another thing I say

919
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: to myself after my first season, I got a lot

920
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: of positive I always get a lot of positive feedback,

921
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: but then there are always naysayers, And to me, I'm

922
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: the kind of person or a lot of people maybe

923
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: they look at the negative critiques that always stings a

924
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: little more. And it's like, man, I got a thousand

925
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: great comments, but that one comment saying that you know

926
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: you look like an ugly version of Donald Glover that

927
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: you know doesn't keep it. You know whatever that that

928
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: one thing is, It's just like that stings you and

929
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: you want to right back to them. Sure, so I

930
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: have this mantra and I took a lesson from that season.

931
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: Go stylin. I don't do it for anybody that are

932
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: any of these naysayers. I don't do it for them.

933
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 2: I do it for the people I motivate, the people

934
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: that I inspire. Do it for my family, my community,

935
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: people that love me. That's why I continue to go

936
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: out there. So those are the people that know me.

937
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 2: Anybody hating or that you know has a a different

938
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: favorite in the show. So they want to say negative

939
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: things to me, that's fine, say whatever you want, but

940
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not doing it for you. Maybe I'll

941
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 2: win you over, maybe I won't, but I'm not gonna

942
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 2: let that change my course.

943
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: Right, that's great advice. And yeah, as people that have

944
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: been making a show or blogging on the internet for

945
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: fifteen years now, you're absolutely right. At the beginning, it's tough.

946
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: While you get ninety nine compliments and you get that

947
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: one troll or whatever, the hater, and you're like that

948
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: just ruins your day. But you do learn to be like,

949
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: oh no, there was ninety nine people saying how much

950
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: they liked this thing or this product that you made

951
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 1: and put out there, and then you start to focus

952
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: on those more than the than the haters.

953
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: And then you think of like the one on one reaction,

954
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: the one on one interactions, and like like when we

955
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: met at the Hawks game of year ago, it was

956
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: just like it's all love, right, I met, I mean,

957
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: but you got you guys are nice guys and whatnot.

958
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: But it's like I think I'm a monster. I think

959
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: of anybody I meet, or anybody that comes to my

960
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: parties or any of this stuff. Whenever someone sees me

961
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: on the streets, it's all love. I have yet to

962
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: see one of those haters. So one might say, hey,

963
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 2: I was rooting for Dom. Sure I was rooting for

964
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: Dom too, but I was rooting for me to edge

965
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: him out, you know. But like, yeah, it's always love.

966
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: So I understand that I'm blessed with so much love

967
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: and I need to do it for those people.

968
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 4: Is it strange watching it back months and months later, Like,

969
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 4: do you get excited for an episode where you know,

970
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 4: you know something cool is gonna happen with you or

971
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 4: or something exciting is gonna happen.

972
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: Do you still get the tingles? Not?

973
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 4: Oh man, this is gonna be great to see how

974
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 4: it actually played out on TV.

975
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 2: I get very excited to watch.

976
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: You do like viewing parties.

977
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 2: I do big time parties.

978
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: Man.

979
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: We sold out a venue for the premiere. We had

980
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: like a bunch of reality stars there. I appreciate how

981
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 2: the community has embraced me and shows me love, not

982
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: just people on Survivor but other shows. So yeah, I

983
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: try to do it for my city, Philly, has quite

984
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: a few survivor alums, and so I just try to

985
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 2: make sure that because I know I was a fan watching,

986
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily necessarily have this place to go and

987
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: meet all the survivors and watch with them. So I'm

988
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, do that for my city. And

989
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: it's it's so cool. I get excited. For example, last week,

990
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: we saw Tony build a ladder twenty foot jankie ladder

991
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: with the smallest bits of string and he didn't consult

992
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 2: the real builder or anything like this, and he fell

993
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: a couple times and all that, but it was hilarious

994
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 2: to watch him do it. And then we're like, man,

995
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: you know what we're gonna We're gonna carry this thing

996
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: and watch him climb this thing and we'll see what happens.

997
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: So signed that waiver, you know, and it it was

998
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: it was cool to know that that was something that

999
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: was gonna that that could air. But there are so

1000
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: many moments like that. But then we won. We won

1001
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: the challenge. So when you win a challenge, you think,

1002
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: you know, they might not show as much of us

1003
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: because they have to in this three day span which

1004
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: gets consolidated into like forty two minutes. If you think

1005
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: of commercials, they have to tell the story that leads

1006
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: to that one person getting booted, so they might not

1007
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: show this silly ladder situation. Yeah, but I knew that

1008
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: that hapn't and I was lucky to see it. And

1009
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: they are all that. We had a lot of moments

1010
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: like that.

1011
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: And those are some of the moments that I know

1012
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: survivor fans love the most. It's just like character building moments.

1013
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: Character In the end, it's sort of pointless showing us,

1014
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, five minutes of Tony building a ladder to

1015
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: get a piece of.

1016
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 4: F I'm like, we saw that, we saw rob playing

1017
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 4: with like the swinging toy where you finally got to

1018
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 4: stick on that. I was like, that's what you must

1019
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 4: do for so much of the time out there. It

1020
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 4: is just find ways to pass the time. And that's

1021
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: what you need to see a little bit too. Yeah, exactly,

1022
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 4: And I think that's what fans like. And then and

1023
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 4: then you mix in you know, the Tyson confessions like

1024
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 4: ripping on it or make him like being Tyson basically

1025
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 4: with his dry sense of humor, and then Tony talking

1026
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 4: about it and all you guys talking about it.

1027
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: It makes for funny television beyond.

1028
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: And it makes it. That's the character development. And as

1029
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: a big fan, I know a lot of people in

1030
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: the fan community. They don't love all the advantages, all

1031
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: the twists and whatnot. As a new school player, I

1032
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: must say that I'm a product of the twist era,

1033
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: so I can appreciate it. But people don't love so

1034
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: much of it. They like the character moments. They like

1035
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: the moments where they see these weird, quirky interactions or

1036
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: like even after Boston Rob did terrible in that puzzle challenge,

1037
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 2: Ethan this you know, fan favorite from two decades ago.

1038
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 2: He looks at Boston Rob and he's like, yo, man,

1039
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 2: you really sucked in that challenge. It was just hilarious.

1040
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: Those are the moments that the fans really like, you know.

1041
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: That's what draws fans to players. It's not necessarily you know,

1042
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 2: finding a bunch of idols or stuff like that. So

1043
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: I can appreciate both sides, but I truly like those

1044
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 2: special moments.

1045
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: We're still watching, of course, because it's early in season

1046
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: forty here winners that were how these fire tokens are

1047
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: going to play out? But what was reaction? You know,

1048
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: when you learned about them. I guess when you got

1049
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: out there where you're like, what the heck does? It

1050
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: take a while for everybody to wrap their heads around

1051
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: what what they even do or what they can do?

1052
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, as a as a fortunately as a product of

1053
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: new schools, so you know they're gonna throw something at.

1054
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: It's got to be something, especially winners all season. Yeah.

1055
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they introduce this currency to Survivor and then

1056
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: you start it's like introducing and I can't say much

1057
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: about it, but it's like introducing currency into civilization and

1058
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: and what what does the dollar do here in America?

1059
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 2: So it's, uh, it's interesting to see how that plays out.

1060
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: But you must have and exactly you can't say too

1061
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: much because we're new here, but like you guys must

1062
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: have just been sitting around camp. I imagine going like,

1063
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: what what are we even doing with this? Or what

1064
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: can we do? When everyone starts trying to brainstorm.

1065
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: You get you you walk in. I think you each

1066
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: get one token to start, and you walk to camp

1067
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: and you see an advantage menu or a token menu

1068
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: whatever it was. And I don't remember exactly, but it's

1069
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 2: like always about pooling tokens two tokens, you get a tarp,

1070
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: four tokens, you get some beans, six tokens, you get whatever.

1071
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: And then it encourages people to start thinking together and yeah,

1072
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: it's it's interesting.

1073
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna get interesting. Yes, all right, well, we'll obviously

1074
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: be watching because you couldn't tell we wanted to shoehorn

1075
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: in some sort of NBA talk here, So we thought

1076
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: this could be fun. We'll throw some like iconic players

1077
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: at you, and maybe you can try and find the best,

1078
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, season survivor forty season forty here comparison. Yep,

1079
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So let's start. Let's go

1080
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: current Lebron James. Who's the Lebron of winners at war.

1081
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: So when I think of Lebron James, I think of

1082
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: someone that is knocking on the door of the greatest

1083
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: of all time. And you know, we always think of

1084
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. And then you have this guy who's not

1085
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: who's breaking all these records and doing finale things and

1086
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: playing at such a high level late into his career,

1087
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: and I started thinking, like, man, is he going to

1088
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: play in the league when when Bronnie's in the league, Like,

1089
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: is this gonna happen? So when I think of someone

1090
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: on Winners at War that is knocking on the door

1091
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: of the greatest of all time, I think of a

1092
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: winner that wasn't I guess necessarily the first ten or

1093
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: even fifteen seasons. I think of like a maybe like

1094
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: a Tyson Apostle. Tyson is. He came season eighteen, and

1095
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: he played quite a few times. He ended up winning.

1096
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: And although like Lebron came in from high school with

1097
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: all the hype King James and all this stuff, and

1098
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: like it was almost like he was the next Michael Jordan.

1099
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: And I mean Sports Illustrated was basically saying he's the

1100
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: next Michael Jordan.

1101
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, But in Tyson's situation, he kind of came

1102
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: in as a villain. Then he played back heroes versus villains.

1103
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: Then he came back again and he ultimately won. But

1104
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: as I think of the greats, and when you think

1105
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: of the greats in the NBA, you definitely think of Lebron,

1106
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 2: you think of Kobe rest in peace, you think of

1107
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 2: Michael and as a newer great, I'm thinking, I'm thinking

1108
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: Tyson is the Lebron James scribe That's not bad.

1109
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: I like it.

1110
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 4: You mentioned Kobe. Real question you were wearing Kobe's. That's

1111
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 4: out to the island. You never see people in basketball shoes,

1112
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 4: pretty rare.

1113
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 2: Right, So I was wearing the Kobe the what the Kobe's,

1114
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: I actually hooped in them, and I hooped in another

1115
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 2: pair of Kobe's before that. And usually what I do,

1116
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: I take one pair of basketball sneakers. I wear it

1117
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: for the year, and then in August I go volunteer

1118
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: a week and coach a basketball camp in Jamaica. And

1119
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: at the end of that week, I give the shoes

1120
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: out to a camper or something. You know, some of

1121
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: them show up with no sneakers on. They show up

1122
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 2: to the basketball courts bare feet. But I'll give it

1123
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: to like a great camper or something like that. This

1124
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: time I took my basketball sneakers out to the island

1125
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: because I'm like, man, these are my war sneaks. I

1126
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 2: go to war on the court every day. I'm gonna

1127
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: wear them. And this filmed in May June, and we

1128
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: came back early July of twenty nineteen. So I wore

1129
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: these sneakers out there, and then fast forward to January

1130
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 2: February of twenty twenty, and he passes away and I'm

1131
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: glad that I wore my childhood heroes sneakers out there

1132
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: to winners at war. But man, it's crazy. It's crazy

1133
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: what happened with Kobe. He literally I grew up in

1134
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: Lord Marion. Kobe Bryant has been in my house. I

1135
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: have so many things signed by Kobe. My dad texted me.

1136
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: He was like, he said, son, Joe Bryant lost his

1137
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: only son, My dad's only son. You know. He looks

1138
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: at me like like that. So it's it's so touching,

1139
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: and it's so it really hurt to watch, you know,

1140
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 2: my childhood idol. Yeah, it's tough.

1141
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: It's just it's crazy that you even wore them. You know.

1142
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: It's one of those weird things, like that's a weird

1143
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: universe type of thing right.

1144
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: There, Kobe. So I'm glad I wore him out there.

1145
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: I guess I did it for him. Then retrospectively, it's

1146
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,439
Speaker 2: crazy to look at it that way.

1147
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: But exactly.

1148
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 2: Steph Curry, Okay, the Steph Curry. Steph is this guy

1149
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: who you think of like game changing players in the

1150
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: NBA or culture shifting players. And one one guy that

1151
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 2: really stands stands out is another Philly player, Alan Iverson.

1152
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: If you think of like culture shifting, now look at

1153
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: the NBA. You see AI came in the influence and

1154
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: you know, tattoos, the corn rowse, baggy clothes, everything like

1155
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: kind of influencing this this this hip hop culture and

1156
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: his style of gameplay. It kind of changed the league.

1157
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: And then comes this kid, Steph Curry a little bit

1158
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: later after you know, Kobe comes in and does his thing,

1159
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: and Lebron's doing his thing, and they all influence the league.

1160
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: But Steph comes in and with this jump shot out

1161
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: of this world and shooting from all types, doing crazy things,

1162
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 2: and he's got the handles. Then all of a sudden

1163
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: he did spend and he chucked it up, and you

1164
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: see Steve Curry is like, what the and then all

1165
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: of a sudden the ball goes in and it's just like,

1166
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: oh my god. So Steph, Steph came in and he

1167
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: too changed the game.

1168
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: So so who changed the game that was out there

1169
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: on the island?

1170
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: Who changed the game in Survivor? Oh? Man? I okay,

1171
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to compare myself to anybody,

1172
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: but people say that I do have somewhat of a

1173
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 2: jump shout on the court, but also and the challenges.

1174
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: I I think I can perform well in the challenges.

1175
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: I'm a newer, newer winner. That's invigorating, survivor a little bit.

1176
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: So I didn't want to compare myself to anybody, but

1177
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: if if I have to, I'll compare myself. Twist my

1178
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: arm it sist. I know you guys wanted me to

1179
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 2: do that.

1180
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: Okay, go more?

1181
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: Uh Westbrook, Westbrook, the Westbrook. Yeah, I love an explosive

1182
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: player like Westbrook. Somebody that you don't You don't love

1183
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: playing against him? What he got ejected last night? Yea, yeah, yeah,

1184
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: Like why is he still in the game at that point? Right? Oh,

1185
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: you don't want to play against him? You probably I

1186
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: do want to be you want to be on his

1187
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 2: team and want to just watch what he does?

1188
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to?

1189
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got somebody and I could compare Tonys from

1190
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: Kagayan to Russell West Like Tony is this guy his

1191
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 2: first season he came out and he played a head

1192
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: and shoulder above a field of great players. Westbrook, mister

1193
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: triple double, mister doing all these things he's playing like

1194
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,919
Speaker 2: sometimes he does play a head and shoulders over these

1195
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: this tremendous group of talented people. With Tony, he was

1196
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 2: a game changer and he was so scary his first

1197
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 2: season that he comes back, you know, seven or eight

1198
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: seasons later for the season called Game Changers, and everyone's

1199
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: petrified by him and he's eliminated within the first few

1200
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: votes because this craziness was back. Yeah, you don't want

1201
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: you if you can, If you're on a court playing

1202
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 2: like twenty one or something and Russell Westbrook's there, and

1203
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: you have the ability to eliminate one player on the

1204
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: court who are eliminating, right, Russell, you go over there

1205
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: and the normal people will play twenty one in the

1206
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: game of survivor. You want to get rid of Tony

1207
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: in a game like Game Changers so that the normal

1208
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: saying people can play the game. Yeah, Tony, we've seen

1209
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: he's made it through two episodes, and in that second

1210
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: episode he's building a ladder to prevent just so he

1211
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: won't be running around looking for idols, scrambling and doing

1212
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 2: all these things that he does because he's that kind

1213
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: of player. He's an electrified, electrifying player like Russell is

1214
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: on the court.

1215
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: He's only got one speed. It feels like one those guys. Yeah,

1216
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: and it's one hundred miles an hour.

1217
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 4: He's been killing me so far this season. Every like

1218
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 4: every confessional is like, I'm just trying my best. I'm

1219
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 4: just trying my best to play it cool. Here, He's

1220
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 4: gonna build a giant a giant ladder.

1221
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: He's my move. He's like, I'm just gonna build because

1222
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: if I don't, I'm gonna find out. Yeah. So yeah

1223
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: that uh you Yeah, Tony is wesk.

1224
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: You guys are any more questions? We've kept Wendell for

1225
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: a long time here.

1226
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 4: I guess my only other one would be is when

1227
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 4: you win individual immunity, how do you not just wear

1228
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 4: the necklace around camp all the time?

1229
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: Look at that? Yeah, that comes I guess playing sports

1230
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: all my life and with my dad he played basketball

1231
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 2: at Fordham under Digger Phelips actually, and he's always taught

1232
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: me that, like you let other people do the talking.

1233
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: You perform, and you do what you have to do,

1234
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: and you do the best that you can do. But

1235
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: you you should not be the one bragging about yourself. So,

1236
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 2: like you know, in the game of Survivor, you win

1237
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: that individual immunity, you take it off as fast as

1238
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: you can, and you just put it somewhere because you

1239
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: don't want in my case, excuse me. And I do

1240
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: like talking trash, and I talk trash to propes. I

1241
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: talk trash to the competitors on the court. I'll talk

1242
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: trash to you A lot of times. When I talk trash,

1243
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 2: that's what I get, like, that's what I lose. So

1244
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: that's when I slip up. So as much as I

1245
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: want to talk trash, there is a humble side of

1246
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 2: me that it's from my father. He has been very

1247
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: successful just in life, in athletics and all these things,

1248
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 2: and he's instilled in me you let other people do

1249
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: the talking for you.

1250
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: He's still not bad at the free throw line.

1251
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: That man can shoot some free throws and he so

1252
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: we That was a fundraiser for this camp I do

1253
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: in Jamaica. It's called the PMBL Treasure Beach Basketball Camp.

1254
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Men's Basketball League. The league folded, but we have

1255
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: this legacy that is this camp in Jamaica where we

1256
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: go there, like fifty coaches go there every summer and

1257
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: we raise money all year and we bring hoops. We

1258
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: built courts down there in Treasure Beach. We bring a

1259
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: big shipping container full of basketballs, shorts, sneakers, all these

1260
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: things and we just give them to the kids. We

1261
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 2: feed them for the week, we bust them. In last summer,

1262
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 2: we had over eleven hundred campers and we now I've

1263
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: been back. This will be my sixth year going back.

1264
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: And you go back and you see the kids that

1265
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 2: you saw the year previous, but they're better at basketball

1266
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: in Jamaica. So it's like, man, this thing that we

1267
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: built here, they're working on this. So me and my

1268
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: dad there was a fundraisers. You get people to pledge

1269
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: for however many free throws you can make, and I

1270
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: was like, hey, Pop, you know I don't always see

1271
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: my dad. He travels too, and I'm like, this would

1272
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 2: be a cool thing for me and my dad to do.

1273
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: And he said yes to it, and so he made

1274
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: like seventy something free throws out of one hundred. I

1275
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 2: raised a few hundred bucks.

1276
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, what'd you do?

1277
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: I did eighty four out of one hundred. I felt

1278
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: like I underperformed because I started. I was at fifty

1279
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: something and I started talking trash and then I bricked

1280
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 2: like four. In my fifties, I was making like nine

1281
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 2: for ten, nine for ten, nine for ten, eight for ten,

1282
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 2: and then I made like six or five for ten

1283
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 2: and that just killed me.

1284
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: That's a pretty cool thing you got to do with

1285
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: the camp.

1286
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Oh yeah, I love it. You guys are invited.

1287
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 2: If you guys, if you guys.

1288
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Speaker 1: Want to come week in Jamaica playing hoops, I will

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Speaker 1: get you the info. Hell sure, absolutely hook us up

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Speaker 1: jad anything else.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I could say here for another I know

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01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 3: I don't want to know every little piece of minutia

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01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 3: about Survivor.

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01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we've already heard that. We've already heard this

1295
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: man's itinerary.

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01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 3: He's got like, uh, what you got this body scrubbing?

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01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah.

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01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 3: How do I get a job as one of those

1299
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Speaker 3: body doubles for the drone shot?

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Speaker 2: Sounds like the best job in the world. The Dream

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01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: Teamers actually, they they call them the dream Teamers. They

1302
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 2: also they don't just body double. They they do test. Yeah,

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01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: they test the challenges and then they're the body doubbles.

1304
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: But they also build them and take them down and

1305
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: they do everything and it seems awesome, but it's a

1306
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: lot of work. So I got a guy, I can

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01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: I can put you in touch.

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01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually, we got a lot of people. You gotta

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01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: put us in touch with What is the best way.

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Speaker 2: For people to follow You find me for Instagram at

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Speaker 2: Wendell Holland W E N D E L L H O,

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Speaker 2: L L A and D. You can go to Wendell

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Speaker 2: Holland dot com. And for any of my furniture that

1314
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 2: I build you can check out you can check OUTT

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01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 2: Wendell Holland dot com. But you can also check out

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Speaker 2: B that's B E v E Unlimited on on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: There. You gotta thank Greg holtzmang looking us up now. Greg,

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Speaker 1: he started talking to Mattio, our former producer Yes Television

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01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: who lives in La now and I guess they linked

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Speaker 1: up and they started talking. Oh Survivor NBA and we

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01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: had run into you at the Hawks game the one time.

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01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: So shout out to Greg and Mattio for for making

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Speaker 1: this come to go.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely I appreciate it. Greg's an awesome guy. I see

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01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 2: his dad around Philly here and then, and he told

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01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: me that Greg moved to LA and I was just

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Speaker 2: in La a couple of weeks ago. We tried the

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01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 2: link but we didn't, but uh, the Holdsman's that's a

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Speaker 2: that's a solid family right there.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, we appreciate you coming out here today before

1331
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: the big scrub you got coming on.

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Speaker 2: One one thing, yeah, one more thing. I got something

1333
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: in my pocket, all right, I brought for you, Skeates.

1334
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: What have we got here?

1335
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's almost like an idol. I got

1336
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: an idol for you that I just want to pass

1337
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 2: over to you. Okay, but you got to open it up,

1338
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: open it right now.

1339
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: You gotta open up opening a tiny little satchel here.

1340
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: And then there's something else that you got to open

1341
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 2: it side of it.

1342
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: Oh man, we got what do we got here?

1343
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes you gotta open it up?

1344
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: All right, I hopefully can get Okay, Okay, hold on

1345
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: opening it up. Wow, custom made buff hashtag Team Wendell.

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01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 2: It's on the South African flag. That's another charity I

1347
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 2: do so.

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01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

1349
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: I have a tied to South Africa. It says Team Wendell.

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01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 2: It says BEV Unlimited. That's my company. Thirty six and

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Speaker 2: forty thirty six and forty see.

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01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: Two seasons, the two seasons you win. Okay, no comment,

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01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: good try good, Trust Wendell. Thank you so much, man,

1354
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: really appreciate it.

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01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: Brace today people. You could stay.

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01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: Every day, a day, happy, every minute. It's been so

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Speaker 2: long with your way already