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Speaker 1: degenerate angler is welcome to BND. Here with your hot

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Speaker 1: ice fishing tip of the week. Always clear your ice

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Speaker 1: Joe Surmelli A Miles Nulty, and that is terrible advice.

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Speaker 1: Do not repeat, do not listen to Joe. I have

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Speaker 1: when it's very cold, the temperature of liquid water remains

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Speaker 1: which seems appropriate. We are we haven't had a report

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Speaker 1: that's a real secret ice fishing. People. You know cash

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Speaker 1: It's a little, little little context here. Provinces function in

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Speaker 1: similar ways to states in the US in the sense

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Speaker 1: that they are smaller regional governments under the umbrella of

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Speaker 1: a larger federal system. You don't need like a whole

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Speaker 1: Canadian Civics lesson for this to make sense. You just

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Speaker 1: need to understand that Alberta is a province in Canada

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Speaker 1: and has some independent jurisdiction over the management of its resources. Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: southwestern Alberta is particularly well loved by hunters, anglers, and

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Speaker 1: outdoors people. It's it's where you'll find some of the

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Speaker 1: more famous areas of the Canadian Rockies, like bamf and Jasper.

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Speaker 1: Just like the rocky south of the border, this mountainous

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Speaker 1: region and adjacent foothills and prairies create spectacular fish and

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Speaker 1: game habitat. From an angling perspective, we're talking about rivers

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Speaker 1: like the Boat with a Living Stone, the North and

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Speaker 1: South Saskatchewan, the Old Man, and like tons and tons

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Speaker 1: of others. In addition to its wilderness and natural beauty,

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Speaker 1: Alberta is also known for abundant energy resources, though these

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Speaker 1: days you usually hear about oil, specifically the Alberta Tar

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Speaker 1: Sands and the Keystone Pipeline. Modern industry in southwest Alberta

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Speaker 1: was originally built on coal. The Blackfoot name for this

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Speaker 1: area roughly translates to place of the black rocks, right

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Speaker 1: like coal scenes. One of the first major towns there, Lethridge,

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Speaker 1: used to be called Coal Banks. Between eighteen seventy five

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Speaker 1: and nineteen seventy five, that were over two thousand coal

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Speaker 1: mining projects in the area, but the following year brought

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Speaker 1: a shift in Alberta's relationship to coal mining. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy six, the provincial government unveiled a new coal policy

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Speaker 1: that read, no development will be permitted unless the government

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Speaker 1: is satisfied that it may proceed without irreparable harm to

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Speaker 1: the environment. Details the balls are are kind of complicated,

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Speaker 1: but but basically, the government looked at the wilderness resources

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Speaker 1: they had and decided, under significant pressure from citizens who

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Speaker 1: liked to hunt, fish and enjoy unspoiled places, to enact

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Speaker 1: strict protections over the mountainous wilderness regions, and then like

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Speaker 1: some lesser protections for the eastern prairies. It just so

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Speaker 1: happens that the high value metallurgical coal is located in

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Speaker 1: the mountains, and that choice coal is primarily used to

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Speaker 1: make steel, not generate power. The flat land deposits are

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Speaker 1: lower quality and have mostly been used to generate electricity

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Speaker 1: for Alberta. But Alberta recently pledged to phase out coal

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Speaker 1: fired electricity by twenty which has left that coal even

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Speaker 1: even less valuable than it already. So now fast forward.

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Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, the United Conservative Party won the majority

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Speaker 1: of the provincial election, and soon after, records show that

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Speaker 1: the Coal Association of Canada began lobbying hard to amend

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Speaker 1: the ninety six coal policy. In May of the government

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Speaker 1: very quietly rescinded that forty four year old policy without

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Speaker 1: any public comment or input. Alright, so practically this meant, yeah,

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Speaker 1: over thirty seven million acres of previously protected land would

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Speaker 1: now allow lease sales for open pit mines. Right, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about this type of mind. It's it's also some

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Speaker 1: sometimes not as strip mining or mountaintop removal mining, and

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Speaker 1: it has kind of a poor track record when it

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Speaker 1: comes to environmental impact, especially when it comes to water

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Speaker 1: and fish and fisheries. Right, you can just look at

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Speaker 1: the other side of the Continental Divide in British Columbia,

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Speaker 1: where the same coal deposits are being actively mined on

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Speaker 1: that west side of the Canadian Rockies. Selenium, a coal

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Speaker 1: mining byproduct, is messing up the famous and exceptional watershed,

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Speaker 1: the Elk River and its tributaries. The negative effects of

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Speaker 1: selenium on ecosystems are are very well documented in places

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Speaker 1: like West Virginia and California, where the chemical completely decimated

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Speaker 1: fish populations and aquatic ecosystems. So, long story short, this

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Speaker 1: type of mining is bad news for people who like

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Speaker 1: to fish. The thing is not everybody values fish and

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Speaker 1: fishing to the same extent that that I do or

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Speaker 1: that you do. Right, many folks in the province welcomed

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Speaker 1: the policy shift, hoping that a new mind would bring

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Speaker 1: a much needed economic boost. The pandemic has hit lots

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Speaker 1: of economies on the chin, but Alberta's in particular. There

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Speaker 1: are two primary economic drivers. Tourism and oil both bottomed out.

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Speaker 1: We all, we all know how travels going right now? Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then also, at one point last year oil was

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Speaker 1: trading in negative figures. So the province is scrambling to

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Speaker 1: find ways to get money coming in again. But then

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Speaker 1: some other Albertans have been shall we say, less enthusiastic

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Speaker 1: about this policy change, which spurred quote unprecedented civil protests

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Speaker 1: according to a local paper. And we're not just talking

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Speaker 1: about like conservationists and anglers and hippie types. The hunting

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Speaker 1: and ranching communities have also rallied against this change. Even

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Speaker 1: the popular Lethage based country singer Core Blund publicly condemned

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. Opposition pressure grew steadily throughout and in

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Speaker 1: December of last year, the Alberta government issued a very

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Speaker 1: very public statement canceling eleven of the cold leases they

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Speaker 1: had opened up, which was a really nice pr move,

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Speaker 1: and and they made a point of noting in all

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Speaker 1: their press releases that they made this decision in response

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Speaker 1: to public outcry. There's just one problem. The eleven leases

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Speaker 1: they canceled made up about acres, so less than half

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Speaker 1: of one per cent of the area they opened up

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Speaker 1: when they initially rescinded the coal policy. So you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it made good press. I wouldn't call it meaningful, and

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Speaker 1: it didn't succeed in quelling the general unrest from local opposition.

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Speaker 1: One of the primary groups leading that opposition is the

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Speaker 1: Alberta Chapter of back country Hunters and Anglers who are

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Speaker 1: co signatories of a lawsuit that seeks to fully reinstate

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Speaker 1: the previously held environmental protections and claims that the current

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Speaker 1: government violated the law when they made the lunal lateral change.

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Speaker 1: The final decision on that lawsuit is still pending, but

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Speaker 1: in the wake of last month's trial, the Alberta government

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Speaker 1: put out another very public announcement claiming that they had

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Speaker 1: heard the opposition loud and clear and were reinstating the

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies coal policy. Now that all sounds well and

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Speaker 1: good again, the devil's in details here. During the nine

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Speaker 1: months that the coal policy was undone Australian mining companies

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Speaker 1: were granted six new leases, meaning that just over one

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Speaker 1: point two million acres of land along the eastern slopes

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Speaker 1: of the Canadian Rockies is now open to call my mining.

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Speaker 1: Though the Alberta government did reinstate their pre existing policy,

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Speaker 1: they did not rescind the leases that they had granted

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Speaker 1: in that nine month period. Wait a minute, exactly, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to I'm trying to like compute all that. So

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Speaker 1: like they took away the protections for nine months and

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Speaker 1: during those nine months they were giving out leases. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got people, what's happening. It's like, hey, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go back to the way it was. But the people

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Speaker 1: we said yes to when before that, they can still

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Speaker 1: do their thing right. And so, from all the coverage

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Speaker 1: I read on this issue, which is a lot, it

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Speaker 1: seems like the government of Alberta is prioritizing the desires

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Speaker 1: the coal lobby and Australian coal companies over their fish, wildlife,

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Speaker 1: and you know, most importantly, their citizens, while trying their

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Speaker 1: damnedest to play damage control when talking to the press.

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Speaker 1: The reinstatement the coal policy was a step in the

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Speaker 1: right direction. I'm giving them credit there, but the fisheries

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Speaker 1: in this part of Canada, they're they're still in trouble right,

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Speaker 1: They're still in jeopardy from what's been enacted. I want

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Speaker 1: to kind of close up by by encouraging all of

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Speaker 1: our listeners north of the border, especially those in Alberta,

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Speaker 1: to read up on this situation and pay attention, like

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Speaker 1: do your own homework, don't just take my word for it.

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Speaker 1: If you're so inclined, contact the appropriate MPs and also

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Speaker 1: consider joining the Alberta Chapter of b h A, because

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Speaker 1: they're the ones who are working really really hard to

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Speaker 1: represent the interests of everyone who likes to fish and

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Speaker 1: hunt and play outside in the mountains of southwestern Alberta,

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Speaker 1: and they're the ones who are helping to bring this

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Speaker 1: lawsuit forward. So I would talk to those folks because

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Speaker 1: they're doing they're doing really good work. And this one,

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Speaker 1: this this really does threaten some great fisheries. So just

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Speaker 1: to clarify one thing, so they rescinded that that decision,

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Speaker 1: so like they're the government is essentially saying, we'll take

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Speaker 1: it back to how it was when the protections were

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Speaker 1: in place, but what like moving forward, So like going forward,

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Speaker 1: we won't sell any more leases. But these these Astorian

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Speaker 1: dudes are already in for now. For now the Altralia, Yes,

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Speaker 1: the the leases that they gave out in those nine

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Speaker 1: months are standing, and roads are being built. Test drilling

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Speaker 1: is going on in places where it didn't happen before

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Speaker 1: and those are moving ahead also right now, that original

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Speaker 1: policy is back in place, but the government is crafting

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Speaker 1: a new policy and no one knows what that's going

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Speaker 1: to be yet, So there's a lot that's still up

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Speaker 1: in the air with how how this is gonna play

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Speaker 1: out moving forward, and and look I get it, like

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Speaker 1: there there is there's some real there's some real issues

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Speaker 1: economically going on in that area. But everything I read

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Speaker 1: and I didn't have time to cover all this because

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Speaker 1: it's a really deep dive, but it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: very short sighted move, and it doesn't look like these

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Speaker 1: coal resources are actually going to bring as much money

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Speaker 1: into the local economy as is being promised, and not

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Speaker 1: for very long. Yeah, it's a super detailed story and

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Speaker 1: I'm not as fluent in all the details as you are,

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Speaker 1: but that's sort of of my takeaway is that, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, it is a very short term gain. And

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Speaker 1: then I don't know, man, history kind of shows that

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Speaker 1: if you don't fully backpedal and like make the whole

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Speaker 1: thing go away, Like once you let a little bit

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Speaker 1: in your you tend to be on the track to

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Speaker 1: have it keep going that way. Especially if they get

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Speaker 1: their economic they're there the money flow and yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: they get the boost. It's gonna be very hard to

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Speaker 1: go back without that being gone. So I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 1: we'll have follow up on that one down the road,

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Speaker 1: because that's what I hope I get to follow up

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Speaker 1: at some point and say like, hey, the laws dead

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Speaker 1: succeeded and the whole thing is dead. We'll see where

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Speaker 1: it goes. Yeah, well, speaking of dead dead stuff, Um,

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Speaker 1: my first story this week is not it's not a

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Speaker 1: whole lot more uplift. And you know me, like I

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Speaker 1: go if it involves Dion Sanders or fishing with Derrito's,

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Speaker 1: I'm automatically in. But I'm I'm gonna end at the

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Speaker 1: Spencer Gifts. I can't start there. I gotta go to

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Speaker 1: Hudson News. And I don't think any person living in

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Speaker 1: the US has has missed the coverage of the polar

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Speaker 1: vortex that plummeted much of the country into a deep freeze.

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Speaker 1: You lived it. We kind of skated it a little

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Speaker 1: bit out here in Jerors. But it was cold. You've

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Speaker 1: got the cold it's been. It was cold there for

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Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, it's real cold. It was extremely cold.

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Speaker 1: But um, you know, our poor friends in Texas we're

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Speaker 1: suffering through this from ongoing power outages, lack of potable

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Speaker 1: water and so on, and um, you know the thing is,

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Speaker 1: while these brutal tempts and weather have have made people

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Speaker 1: in a huge part of the country suffer if you

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Speaker 1: look at it from a fishing perspective, meaning how much

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Speaker 1: does this period of extreme cold matter to anglers? It's

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Speaker 1: it's not going to affect you know, many places long run,

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Speaker 1: but Texas is one exception to that, particularly along the coast. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time fishing down on the

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Speaker 1: Texas coast. It's one of my favorite places. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's awesome. But you have to bear in mind, though,

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Speaker 1: is that what makes it so great is the coastwide

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Speaker 1: network of these shallow bays and estuaries that grow arguably

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Speaker 1: the biggest sea trout in the US. And they've got

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Speaker 1: red fish and all kinds of other stuff. But Texas

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Speaker 1: is big trout country. And what happens is when these

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Speaker 1: ten dropped so drastically so quickly, the fish in these

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Speaker 1: shallow systems, they don't have time to make a big

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Speaker 1: move like offshore into the Gulf, and and the result is,

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Speaker 1: you know, can be massive fish kills and and tech.

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Speaker 1: The Texas coast is sadly seeing some of that now.

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Speaker 1: Um Texas Parks and Wildlife has already gotten reports of

638
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: some level of fish kill in in five of the

639
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: major bass systems. Uh, they're seeing loads of dead sea trout, redfish,

640
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: among other things, washed up on the beaches. And um,

641
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: huge rescue effort on sea turtles down there too because

642
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: they're endangered. So they have all these stunned stunn turtles.

643
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: And UM, I'll tell you what, man, I got a

644
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: lot of buddies down there, and a few of them

645
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: reached out just prior to that freeze, and they were like, dude,

646
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: pray for us. And they're saying that because while there's

647
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: a lot of chatter wrapped up in the news about

648
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: how this polar vortex deal is an effective global warming, right,

649
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: it is fair to say that this kind of deep

650
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: freeze in in South Texas is not unprecedented, like it

651
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: has happened before. Uh, most notably in three Night nine

652
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: and and one of my buddies that fish down there

653
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: with Darren Jones, he remembers the eighty three freeze vividly,

654
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: which created one of the worst fish kills in US history,

655
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: and according to him, it ultimately took like four years

656
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: for the whole trout fishery to really start recovering from that. Um. Now,

657
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: he had told me ahead of this freeze, certain areas

658
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: on the coast at least, they had done things like

659
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: shut down barge traffic in the Inner Coastal Waterway to

660
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: give fish some kind of deep water refuge to hide

661
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: out in, and then Texas Parks and Wildlife closed all

662
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: saltwater fishing on This was Monday February fifteen through Tuesday

663
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: February And they did this so that anglers and it's

664
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: it's like hard to believe that people would even think

665
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: this way what they do. They did it so that

666
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: anglers wouldn't swarm these deep water holding areas and pound

667
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: these fish that were barely hanging on, like you get

668
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: into a situation. Yeah, that was part of it. I mean,

669
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: part of it is so that, you know, just give

670
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: the fish a break during this freeze, but hands down,

671
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: another motivation is like it's like, yo, we know all

672
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: the trout are going to be right here because of

673
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: this freeze. So part of that shutdown was to stop

674
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: people from going to these holes where these in this

675
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: shallow system where people know these fish are going to congregate,

676
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: and just beating the ship out of them, right, It's

677
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: like shooting fish in a barrel. So that's that is

678
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: part of the motivation there, and you would think, right

679
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: that all Texas anglers would just rally behind that. But

680
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: then I ended up finding this story out a Corpus

681
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: Christie about all these peer anglers that were hurrying out

682
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: right before the freeze to like get their last licks in,

683
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: and they were saying that, you know, they can't wait

684
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: for this closure to lift so they can get right

685
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: back out there. And what's gonna be interesting is sort

686
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: of how the Texas angling community at large accepts what

687
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: many are speculating could be some pretty drastic regulation changes

688
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: because of this freeze. A matter of fact, our colleague

689
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: Maggie Hudlow recently covered what's going on in Texas for

690
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: the meat Eator dot com and the story titled Texas

691
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: freeze kills thousands of fish along Golf Coast, and she

692
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: did a really great job and in that piece she

693
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: actually quote a few captains and and what these guys

694
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: are saying is, listen, even though this fishing band will

695
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: be lifted by now, I'm pretty sure it already is. Um,

696
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: it might be smart to like not even go ripping

697
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: around the bays in our boats at all for a while,

698
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, just to give the fish a chance to

699
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: get over that trauma. You know, don't stress them more

700
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: than they've already been. And per Maggie's story, there there's

701
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: some talk, I don't know how serious, of dropping the

702
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: trout limit to zero and banning all tournaments for the

703
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: rest of the year. And yeah, and one, so one

704
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: final note on this right um, it's being hinted at

705
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: that while this recent freeze is definitely hurting fish and

706
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: wildlife populations along the South Texas coast, a lot of

707
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: officials are anticipating that this won't be quite as bad

708
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: as eighty three and eighty nine, especially with you know,

709
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: temps have already come back up. Um. And I also

710
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: read that the cooling of the bays this time it

711
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: happened a little bit more slowly and in those past

712
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: cold snaps. So I mean, I'm I'm I'm hoping for

713
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: the best, but we gotta wait it out. And as

714
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: a recreational guy, I think I know you too. If

715
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: it was a no kill season, I'd fully embrace that.

716
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: It would make sense to me, Like yo, if not

717
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: killing trout the rest of this season helps this population,

718
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm in. But you know, getting back to the economy,

719
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: you do have to Remember, people go to Texas for trout,

720
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: and there are lodges up and down that entire coast

721
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: that have already been hurt by COVID and now this,

722
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: so it's a massive double whammy. And to be clear,

723
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: nobody has made a call on regulations yet, it's just

724
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: being speculated and talked about that that could be an option,

725
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: depending on like sort of the final assessment of how

726
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: hard this freeze hurt the base system down there. That's

727
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: a tough one, man. I mean, there are a lot

728
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: of people who make their living off of being able

729
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: to guide for harvesting those trout, Like that's that's what

730
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: their their clients are there to do, you know, And

731
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: and and I feel for those folks, I really do.

732
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: And and but you also have to balance the long

733
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: term health of the fishery and understand that the hammering

734
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: on them right now might mean you don't get to

735
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: catch them or have a sustainable fishery in the long term. Yeah.

736
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: And what's what what I think is even tougher is

737
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: even if you if you take the kill regulations out,

738
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: like let's just let's just say that, you know, either

739
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: nothing changes or you know, they put the kill regulations

740
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: in um. You know, the freezers like this have happened

741
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: in Florida where we saw you know, piles and piles

742
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: of dead snook and stuff. Um. The big difference even

743
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: if you're you're not going down there to keep trout,

744
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: you're just going to catch and release and catch the

745
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: trophy trout down there. If the population gets hurt, now

746
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: it's making that very difficult. That's gonna hurt business too.

747
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: And unlike Florida, there's really not a ton of plan

748
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: B in Texas. Like you're going there to fish skinny

749
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: water bay systems for trout and reds. If those two

750
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: things aren't an option, most guys don't have the boats

751
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: or aren't in the right area to just be like,

752
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: well we'll zip off and catch snapper or whatever is right,

753
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: Like that's what you go there for. There's there's not

754
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: a lot of plan B. So regardless of the regulations,

755
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: even if this is just knocked back the trout fishing

756
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: for a year, that sucks. And that's a tough situation

757
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: for the people that make their money doing it. It

758
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: is and and I do genuinely feel for friends of

759
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: mine who make their living guiding in there and fishing

760
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: down there, and yeah are I'll say our hearts go out,

761
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: certainly not thoughts and prayers, but our hearts go out

762
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: to everybody down there, who's who's there. There is no

763
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: winning in this, there's no good answer. It's all shitty.

764
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: It's all just gonna take time to assess, you know,

765
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: So we'll see where we land. I'm gonna run with that.

766
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take your your dead fish angle. I'm gonna

767
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: parlay that into into what I'm gonna talk about it

768
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: for this the second story. I'm gonna dip into the

769
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: nearly bottomless pool of invasive species stories out of Florida.

770
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: Who from this. It's just like there might be a

771
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: new one, but I don't really think so. But anyway,

772
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Yeah, yeah, yeah. An arapaima was recently found

773
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: washed up dead on the banks of the Closa Hatchie River.

774
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: Arapaima are Amazonian fish that can grow up to ten

775
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: ft long and over four hundred pounds. I found conflicting

776
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: information that some people say they're the largest freshwater fish.

777
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: Some people say they're among the largest freshwater fish. Million

778
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: just figured that out. Either way, they're enormous. They're just cute,

779
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: and either way, it costs a lot less to fly

780
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: to to Florida than it does to the Amazon the

781
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: catch them. So Yeah, And and to your point, dude,

782
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: they're they're kind of they're kind of the newest exotic

783
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: destination sport. Fish anglers only really started targeting them for

784
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: sport what like five years ago. Yeah, and now I'm like, Oh,

785
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: you went to the Amazon for peacocks, You're not going

786
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: down there for a pima? Yeah, Lane, my grandpa goes

787
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: there for peacock bass. Yeah. I'm mean, all of a sudden,

788
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: literally just within the last few years, everybody I know

789
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: now has dreams of going to Guiana one day and

790
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: site fishing these three pound monsters. Just a few years ago,

791
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: no one even knew they existed. Anyway, if you want

792
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: to know more about all that, I personally recommended the

793
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: short films Jungle Fish. You can can get it for

794
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: free on the YouTube's go check it out. Anyway, cool

795
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: as these fish are and as much as I want

796
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: fish form, that's not what we're talking about here. Because

797
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: they're not supposed to be swimming around in Florida rivers.

798
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: You can imagine the amount of damage that they might

799
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: do if they invaded an ecosyst where they don't belong first,

800
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: how big and voracious as they are. But a Cape

801
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: Cora resident recently stumbled on a five and a half

802
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: foot long specimen washed up dead on the banks to

803
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: Clusa Hatchie. And you know, for some that's concerning, right,

804
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: because the question is is where did it come from?

805
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: Most likely this is a case of someone dumping an

806
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: unwanted pet, and that pet continued to grow. But the

807
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: ord of Fish and Wildlife Commission they did a risk

808
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: assessment because they saw lots of people dump invasive stuff

809
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: all over Florida and they have these as as tank fish, right,

810
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: so all of Miami, like that's all all, that's that's

811
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: where it all came from. Yeah, and and fwc's hip

812
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: to that. So they did a risk assessment like a

813
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: decade ago, which concluded that Florida waters are too cold

814
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: to support aripima. So that's why this is such a

815
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: big deal. FWC came out ten years ago, was like

816
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: they can't live here, don't worry. And then this big, giant,

817
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: mature one washed up dead. And there there's some folks

818
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: saying like, well, with the general warming trends in the

819
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: past ten years. Maybe maybe it's happening right, And and

820
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: that's why this story popped up in a bunch of

821
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: different sources like you'd heard about it, I had heard

822
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: about it, and and I gotta say, someone were just

823
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: just the worst clickbait headlines. And I don't want to

824
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: get too far off, but the worst one I saw

825
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: was citizens of Florida, meet your new river monster overlords

826
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: like she thanks Orlando Weekly. Those guys deserve pulletzer. And

827
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: the angle that almost all those stories took was that, like,

828
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: what if this was a wild fish and what if

829
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: they were reproducing? And man, I gotta say, like, I

830
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: don't buy it. I don't think that's what happened. I

831
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: think I think this fish was released, it grew up

832
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: and died. It's still something that people like, you know,

833
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: don't dump the fish. We all know that, blah blah

834
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: blah blah. But there's one angle of this story that

835
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: no one seems to me talking about. And that's what

836
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. If you look at the

837
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: photos of the dead fish, you can clearly see a

838
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: hook in its lower jaw. Oh really, someone's got a

839
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: story to tell, right, exactly. No one talked about it.

840
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: But if you look, go look at the photos. There

841
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: is a hook, a busted off fishing hook in the

842
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: lower jaw of that fish. Someone hooked and fought an

843
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: Arab pima in the Caloosa Hatchie. Dude, imagine that. Oh dude,

844
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: you just like m Night Shamalan this whole newspiece and

845
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: just took us in a totally different direction, the new angle.

846
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: We we want the exclude to say, if you come

847
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: to us first, exactly exactly you want stickers, We got them.

848
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: Imagine how shocked that angler was because you know this,

849
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: I know er pimer jumpers. So there's a good chance

850
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: that whoever hooked that fish saw it. Yeah, and they

851
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: and they probably took a tarpin. I was gonna say,

852
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: and they saw it and thought it was a tarpin,

853
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: because I have to imagine, right like if that happened

854
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: to you or me, I'd be telling the world like

855
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me I'm crazy, But I jumped our

856
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: pima today down by Cape Carl. Okay, dude, I okay,

857
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: maybe thought it was darping, but that would be like

858
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: the world's most psychedelic tarpin right, think about they've got

859
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: all those red accents and crazy colors all over their scales.

860
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how you could use that for a

861
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: tarpin Like that thing jumps and and either either that

862
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: person was just way too high and they're like, no, man,

863
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: I couldn't have just seen what I thought I just saw,

864
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: or they had no idea what they were looking at.

865
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but I just wish

866
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: whoever had told that fish would come forward and tell

867
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: their story, because that's the person I want to hear

868
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: from on this. I would love it. I would love it.

869
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm going with the ladder. Somebody

870
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: hooked it and either it didn't jump, or they didn't

871
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: see it, or just had absolutely no idea what they

872
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: were looking at. But anybody who thinks that's a wild fish?

873
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: Wild meaning what it swam on up from the Amazon,

874
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: like went out the mouth of the Amazon. No no, no,

875
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: like like like wild isn't they're naturally reproducing, They're not

876
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: not native not wild isn't. Got there a thone like

877
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: someone dumped them in and and they are successfully reproducing.

878
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: I don't buy it. You can't know, you can't you

879
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: can't necessarily rule it out, but until somebody else catches

880
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: another one or nets another one, like you have to

881
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: go with that. It's one of the air breathers. They

882
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: don't hide very well, exactly. They have to come to

883
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: the surface to breathe, so you see them exactly. But

884
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: I am very very intrigued by the hook. I imagine,

885
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: and I imagine in a tank like like like like

886
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: a Tony Montana's kind of how you know what I'm saying,

887
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: Like somebody's gonna have a big ass tank or that

888
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: thing was in there for a very very long time

889
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: growing in the canal. Way, oh man, anyway, okay, um,

890
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: how about this, So if you were to be that

891
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: guy to land that fish, you would establish some serious dominance,

892
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: you would. It would be dominance established and fishing. Right,

893
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: So we we talked some serious shop. Now I gotta

894
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: have a little fun, and I'm gonna make the assumption

895
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: that everyone listening right now, no matter how humble you are, Okay,

896
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 1: all of you enjoy establishing your dominance on the water

897
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: from time to time, right Like you might not. You

898
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: might not gloat about it, right, but on those days

899
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: when you're just like putting on a clinic and crushing

900
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: your boys. You love it, and no matter how you react,

901
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: you can go full asshole mode, or you can do

902
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: the like I'm gonna stop fishing and get you dialed,

903
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, bro let me you

904
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like that's like the nice kind

905
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: of the ultimate form of dominance. Like hold on, let

906
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: me slide your indicator up a little bit and just

907
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: watch what I'm doing here. Okay, that doesn't matter. You're

908
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: loving it, right. So this this is a little story

909
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: that comes from New York's Times Herald Record, and it's

910
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: about twenty four year old Hayden Carnell, who recently fished

911
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: the annual King of the Ice tournament on White Lake. Now,

912
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: mind you, hundreds of people fished this tournament, right, So

913
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: the tournament started at six am. In the first fifteen

914
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: minutes before the sun even comes up. Uh, Carnell sticks

915
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: at eight point two pound walleye, and he and his

916
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: buds are using flashlights to land it because it is

917
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: still completely dark. So let's pause there and now pretend

918
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: you and your buddies have just arrived to compete for

919
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: the King of the Ice title. Okay, and as you're

920
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: dragging your sled out in the morning dark. Little do

921
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, Carnell is walking his walleye to weigh in, right,

922
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: and he was the first to weigh a fish, and

923
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: as he noted in the story, was doing so while

924
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: the vast majority of other anglers were just starting to

925
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: set up. Okay, so now furthermore, furthermore, Carnell and his buddies,

926
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: as I understand the story, they plan to go ice

927
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: fishing that day, but only decided that morning to enter

928
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: the tournament. So they got up and they were like, hey,

929
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: we should enter this, and swung by the local fire

930
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: station at five am that morning to register. And by

931
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: six fifteen Carnell had caught the winning fish. Hundreds of

932
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: anglers yet this this wally dominated the event, and he

933
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: was crowned the thirty six annual King of the Ice.

934
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: And like that, that is a lance V power move

935
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: flexing right there? Okay, now further still, still further, furthermore, Again,

936
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: Carnell and his friends apparently they fish a lot of

937
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: open water tournaments, but they were all canceled this year

938
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: due to COVID, So this was the first ice tournament ever.

939
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: And he says, and he says, um, I think we'll

940
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: be back. We're hooked. Yeah, you think. And there's this

941
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: great photo in the piece of Carnell holding up this

942
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: walleye um behind hundreds of crop eas and perch and

943
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: trout that were also weighed in and like his walle

944
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: I could have have eaten pretty much any of them.

945
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: So I was just tickled by this whole thing. Like

946
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: that is the ultimately flex and dominance establishment right there.

947
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: Good on your kid. What I wish, though, is that

948
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: because you're never gonna top that, I wish you'd just

949
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: done a mic dropping been like s and I now

950
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: retire as the king, and we'll never fish another ice

951
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: tournament again, because within an hour I proved by dominance

952
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: like you're never gonna get there again. Just just drop

953
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: that mic and walk away, dude, we're waiting in and

954
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: pack your ship with your boys and go home and drink.

955
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: Just leave. I think I think, I think I've I

956
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,479
Speaker 1: think I got this ice tournament. Things just too easy.

957
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna stick to open a lot our tournaments.

958
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: You guys can have that. Good for him. I don't

959
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: think anybody's ever entered a fishing tournament where they didn't

960
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: see it going down that way, you know what I mean,

961
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: So we had we had to close with a little

962
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: fun Hayden, good for you. Um, we'll see one of

963
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: these pieces Phil had the most fun with or was

964
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: most gripped by this week. And as soon as we're

965
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: down hearing from him, we're gonna get a tackle hack

966
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: that will also help you establish more dominance in the

967
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: tarp and scene from none other than Mr Dave Mangum.

968
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: This has been one of the closest weeks so far,

969
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: but they don't pay me unless I pick a winner,

970
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go with Miles Salty. Congratulations. That last

971
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: ice fishing story kind of reminded me of the story

972
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: of this podcast. Stephen Rinella came up to you guys

973
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: and said, hey, you guys want to start a podcast,

974
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: and you said, what's a podcast? And now two out

975
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: of two moms surveyed said it's the best podcast they've

976
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: ever heard. So congratulations. It's all downhill from here. I'm

977
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: getting hats coming from inside the city Hi the Flood.

978
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: Today on Tackle Hacks, we are joined by Dave Mangham,

979
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 1: world renowned uh Tarpin Guide. Among the guys all sorts

980
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: of things. You do many many things. Um and uh,

981
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: suffice to say, Dave's got some experience on the water,

982
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that you could provide us with some

983
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: excellent tips on on fighting what's arguably one of the nastiest, biggest,

984
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: meanest insure fish out there that people tend to screw

985
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: up a lot. But you're also well connected to the

986
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: fly world, do a lot of fly designing the dragon

987
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: tail than too light and when so many of us

988
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: are so thankful for that, in particular because you know,

989
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: if we have to tie a game changer anymore. I

990
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: don't know what the tip is, but you're gonna actually

991
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: take us to maybe the off season a little bit

992
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: to the vice for your tackle hack instead of on

993
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: the water. Yeah, you know the tip or tackle hack

994
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm gonna tell you about is it actually

995
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: has to do with tarp and flies, So it would

996
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: be kind of the tarp and season one in the summer.

997
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: But the tackle hack that I'm going to tell you

998
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: about how's to do with like a bunny fly. So

999
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: like a rabbit tail or bunny fly is probably the

1000
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: most commonly used fly for for tarping and a lot

1001
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: of times, guys tie in a mono loop, and that

1002
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: mono loop is called a snarzel. That's the old school

1003
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: name of it. To keep that money from I've never

1004
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: heard that before. That's what that's called. That mono loop

1005
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: is called a snarl Yeah, yeah, it was, you know,

1006
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: because in the beginning they didn't use mono loops. They

1007
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: used the center piece of a feather too instead of

1008
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: the mono, right, so that's yeah, they call it a snarvil,

1009
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: but you know, tying it flat on the hook, so

1010
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't you know, it just kind of as a

1011
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: loop back. There is one of the ways, and one

1012
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: of the other ways is to drive it through the

1013
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: center of the rabbit strip. Right. Well that's a really

1014
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: good way, in an improved way, but there's a better

1015
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: way to do it even than that. So even if

1016
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: you drive it through the center of the you know,

1017
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: you poke a hole in the rabbit strip, your rabbit

1018
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: can still slip down the lower side of that piece

1019
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: of mono. So you tie an over hand not in

1020
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: your mono. So first you put some uh you know,

1021
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: right on your hook. Then you tie in one end

1022
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: of your snarsl and I like to burn the end

1023
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: of that off, so it makes a little nubs. So

1024
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: did you ever come off with a quaterizer? Okay, then

1025
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: your overhand knots already in this uh this piece of

1026
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: monto loop right, So then you tie your rabbit on,

1027
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: kind of check out your spacing, poke all through the

1028
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: rabbit and stick the other end of the monto. So

1029
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: the so the mono with the knot is sitting underneath

1030
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: the rabbit and that guy that rabbit tail actually sits

1031
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: down on the knot. Then you lash down the other

1032
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: piece that you poked through the rabbit. So anyway, this

1033
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: just accomplishes the rabbit. It keeps it from ever being

1034
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: will slip down the bottom side of that motto um

1035
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: and you're it's almost impossible to foul that fly. So

1036
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: a foul fly is a completely useless fly. So when

1037
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: it lands are in front of the tarp and if

1038
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: it's spelled, it's So that's that's my tackle tip for

1039
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: the debt. That's a solid one. Man, Like, you only

1040
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: get one shot at those fish. Yeah, and if you

1041
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: if you tie like, I understand that completely, and I

1042
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: think that definitely has I mean, I know some guys

1043
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: that put that loop in there even for bigger trout

1044
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: flies with bunny tails and things like that. So if

1045
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: you if you tie a long rabbit tail in anything,

1046
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: pike flies, pike bunnies, I always put a loop in

1047
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: a pike bunny. Yeah, but but make sure to put

1048
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: a nod in it. Very simple tip, but that goes

1049
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: a long way, especially, like you say, with a tarp

1050
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: in any fish where like the first shot is what counts.

1051
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: That's right. You fly cannot be foul. It's inexcusable. I'm

1052
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: gonna do that. I'm definitely stealing that one for sure.

1053
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: Thank you. I wish over time flies for a spring

1054
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: tarp and trip right now, if only. Frankly, I wish

1055
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: you had a reason to stockpile flies for any trip

1056
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: right now, salt or fresh. And it's not that I

1057
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: don't have trips on the horizon, but I uh like

1058
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: I tied a shipload of flies last winner, you know,

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00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: like when my kids weren't home every day for months

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: on stuff back in the before times, before the germs um,

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00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: and then I didn't I didn't really go anywhere in

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00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: so I kind of have plenty. It's kind of like

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00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: a little leg up didn't lose very many, no I

1064
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: did not know. You know, I sadly, but it's true.

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00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: I have been been a slacker when it comes to

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00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: fly time for the past few winners, because that used

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00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: to be. That used to be one of my winner rituals,

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00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: especially when I was guiding, like I had to, I

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00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: had to restock those boxes. And for years I actually

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00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: had a weekly fly time night from like December through May,

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00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: where a bunch of of friends we would all get together.

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00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: We'd sit around my buddy Robs dining room table, and

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00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: we drink a lot of beer and we bullshit and

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00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: we tie flies. It was kind of like a poker night, right.

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00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: That was why I described to It's like a poker,

1076
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: except no one loses. It's got the same feel. But

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00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: but no one comes up being like, oh god, I

1078
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: can't pay rent this this month. Like we all we

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00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: all definitely woke up most days is for work the

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00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: next day with a hangover, but no one was broke

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00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: and hungover came out. Yeah, at the very least you

1082
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: came out. You had you had a few more flies

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00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: than you had the night before, and you had a

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00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: good time. So I was like that, you know, man,

1085
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: so many people have told me I should start a

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00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: tying night locally and not I'm not even talking about

1087
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: just the friends thing. Like you know how a lot

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00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: of people do this at breweries and stuff now like

1089
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: they and I've thought about it, and I could I

1090
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: could pull it off, or well, I should say I

1091
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: can pull it off once we can all go to

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00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: a bar again without restrictions. Not so much, um, But

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00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: I think they're super cool. And but the handful of

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00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 1: times I've actually participated in one of those, I tie

1095
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: very few bugs. I just drink and shoot the ship.

1096
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: Because tying, for me, it's like more of a quiet,

1097
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: unwinding activity at home, you know what I mean, Like

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00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 1: the kids are in bed, and like I'm gonna send

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00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: quietly with the beer and knock out a few bugs. Um.

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00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: Whereas if I'm going to a bar, I just want

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00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: to hang out, Like I don't. I don't want to

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00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: have a task while I'm there. I want to hang out.

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01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: But I do see the appeal of these things. I

1104
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: think that I get that. It's definitely it's not the

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01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: most productive time, like when you're by yourself and focus,

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01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: you do more. But what it does for me is

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01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: it motivates me to sit down and to actually tie

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01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: flies every week, which is which is where I struggle,

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01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: which is what I have not been doing for the

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01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: last couple of years. So I mean, I think I

1111
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: think it's more question whatever it is that gets you

1112
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: spinning bugs, whether whether you know you're like surrounded by

1113
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: drunkards at some dudes table, or or your hiding a

1114
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: closet from your kids, either whatever you gotta do to

1115
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: make yourself sit down at the vice. And Joe is

1116
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: now going to give us a behind the scenes take

1117
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: on a on a relatively new fly pattern that we

1118
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: should all consider getting motivated to tie before it gets warm.

1119
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: It's time for this week's end of the line. Well

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01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: it's not loud enough. Everything is bigger in Texas, at

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01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: least that's what they say, though it doesn't apply at

1122
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: all to the lunch money streamer. To put it in

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01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: Texas barbecue terms, if a double deceiver was a whole

1124
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: brisket and a regular deceiver was a brisket sandwich, the

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01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: lunch money would be a single burnt end, just one.

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01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: But unless you're a vegetarian or something who's passing up

1127
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: a single smoky, charred, delicious burn end, nobody this tiny

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: Minner was designed by full time commercial tire Matt Bennett

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01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: of fly Geek Custom Flies, who lives just outside of

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01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: Austin Now, whereas many great streamer patterns have been developed

1131
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: around Fame, trout and muskie fisheries further north, The Lunch

1132
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: Money was born on the bass rivers of Texas hill Country.

1133
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: But see here's the thing. These aren't forgiving rivers like

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01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: you'll find in other parts of the country where you

1135
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: can get away with, say, chucking a big loud bug

1136
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: and ripping it back until you piss off fish. Many

1137
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: of Bennett's home waters, like the Lano River, run ultra

1138
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: ultra clear, making delicate presentations the key to success, and

1139
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: a couple that with the that most of the forage

1140
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: fish and those hill country rivers top out of three inches,

1141
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,919
Speaker 1: and you can see why the big meat is best

1142
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: reserved for the smoke house around these parts. Several years ago,

1143
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: Unqua picked up the Lunch Money and I ended up

1144
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: getting my hands on a whole box of them in

1145
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: shad pattern shortly after they debuted. The design is pretty simple.

1146
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: Small dumbbell eyes provide some dropwaight and the hook rides

1147
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: point up like a clouds or minnow. The short tail

1148
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: and collar are made of rabbit strip, the head is

1149
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: laser dub and tucked into the middle of all of

1150
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: that are four rubber legs. Now looking at it, you

1151
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: might say, well, why didn't I think of that? Well,

1152
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: because you didn't. Matt Bennett did, and he's a better

1153
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: fly designer than you. And while it may look simple,

1154
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: it's also pretty genius because Bennett compacted all those elements

1155
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: on a little size six hook. In fact, the whole

1156
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: package together is about the size of a quarter in

1157
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: your palm. And if you tie, you know that's not

1158
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: easy because you have to be strict and sparse with

1159
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: your materials if you want that little nugget to wiggle

1160
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: just right. And man does the lunch money dance. When

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01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: I first got those lunch moneies, that was kind of

1162
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: me about him, But I did thankfully stick a few

1163
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: in my streamer boxes. I was really thankful a couple

1164
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: of months later on one of the crystal clear branches

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01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: of the Shenandoah in West Virginia, because my normal cadre

1166
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: of smally streamers were getting half hearted chases and it

1167
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: was driving me insane. Okay, and I finally scaled back

1168
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: my leader and put on one of them tiny white

1169
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: lunch moneies, and those small jaws ate it every time.

1170
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: And then not long after that, during a brown trout

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01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: mission in the driftless region of Iowa, I went looking

1172
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: for quote the one on the big meat only to

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01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: pound water for zero eats in two days, and there

1174
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: was one exactly one of those lunch moneys in my box,

1175
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: and just for the sake of changing it up, I

1176
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: tied it on and I caught six browns to nineteen

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01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: inches in an hour. For me, the lunch money is

1178
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: not necessarily replacing old standbys, but it's proven it's worth

1179
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: time and time again with finicky or wary fish, and

1180
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: that is, after all, what Bennett designed it for. Even

1181
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: making it ride hook up has a purpose because you

1182
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: can let this fly drop and flutter with less risk

1183
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: of the point snagging the bottom when it touches down.

1184
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm rarely without some lunch moneies these days, and it's

1185
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: fair to say this pattern has definitely generated some buzz

1186
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: across multiple fisheries. But what I also see is people

1187
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: tying lunch moneies on bigger hooks. They often scale them up,

1188
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: which it's all well and good, But in my opinion,

1189
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: it's those size six morsel proportions that make the lunch

1190
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: money so damned lethal. Like you wouldn't ask Mini Cooper

1191
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: to build your car on a Yukon frame, was you

1192
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: like you couldn't fit a Doberman size teacup Yorky in

1193
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: your Fendi bag. So trust me on this. Whether you

1194
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: tie or buy some lunch moneies, let the little things

1195
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: be little, because sometimes the little things will get bigger.

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01:04:55,040 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: Ship done. Well, that's just about firms up our depths

1197
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: of the winter episode. If you are cleaning out the

1198
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: freezer ahead of spring, you just sifted through the backstory

1199
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: on the worst and perhaps only ice fishing commercial ever filmed,

1200
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: probably the last two. A book by a guy who

1201
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: writes so well that I can forgive him for quitting fishing,

1202
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: A tip on how to keep your tail wagging in

1203
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: the face of hungry tarpin, and a fly that a

1204
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: class bully might beat you up and steal. Thanks again

1205
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: to Matthew McConaughey for coming on. And hey, if you

1206
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: need Matthew McConaughey for something like a recording, we suggest

1207
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: you look up at Para Denoia on Instagram as always,

1208
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: hit us up and let us know how you're surviving

1209
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: the cruelest months. Send us some bar nominations, sale bin items,

1210
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: maybe use winner as an excuse to dig through year

1211
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: old photo albums and find awkward fishing picks for us

1212
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: to make fun of. Send all of that stuff to

1213
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: Bent at the meat eater dot com. Use the hashtags

1214
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: generate Angler and Bent podcast. If you're wasting some time

1215
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: on social media, either because you're in a pop up

1216
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: sitting over a slow bite, or because you're stuck at

1217
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: home not fishing because it's cold. Yeah, and we'll talk

1218
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: to you again in March, when the weather will still

1219
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: probably suck and you won't start catching fish until the

1220
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: last few days right before a