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Speaker 1: Well. Our next guest was recently named Vanderbilt University's first

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Speaker 1: well known to the Vanderbilt organization as both the student

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Speaker 1: we are delighted to have with us. There's so much

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Speaker 1: we do want to get into our conversation. Um, Candice,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Bloomberg Business Week Radio. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being with us. Oh, thank you, thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for having me. And I have to say congratulations

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Speaker 1: I've got to, though, ask you about what happened in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: When you first heard about it, you saw the video

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Speaker 1: I thought, what and what what a tragedy that could

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Speaker 1: we wish you well, Vanderbilt's athletic director can as Late