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Speaker 1: And That's What You Really Missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's What You Really miss Podcast. Today

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Speaker 1: we watched Zoe's extraordinary playlist pilot. But first, Kevin, how

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Speaker 1: the hell are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm a little all over the place. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot going on. There's a lot going on, is there? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I am because I'm in the process of moving to

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Speaker 2: New York.

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Speaker 1: Oh my guesh oh I finally I got approved for

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Speaker 1: an apartment.

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Speaker 2: Listen to everyone, Jenna.

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Speaker 1: Are easy. It ain't easy.

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Speaker 2: It's been It's easier to buy a house in la

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Speaker 2: than it is at an apartment in New York City. Truly,

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Speaker 2: I'm not even joking.

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Speaker 1: Just like, the thought though, that you sent me this

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Speaker 1: link for your apartment in New York like gave me

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Speaker 1: deep green envy, really green with envy. I am so jealous.

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Speaker 1: Number one, you're doing one of my favorite musicals ever.

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Speaker 1: Number two, you're going back to one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: cities in the world, if not my favorite. And number three,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see them all our friends. You're living in

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Speaker 1: New York City life. I'm just really going to be

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Speaker 1: living vicariously through you, like deeply.

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Speaker 2: I think all of everyone listening and myself included, need

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Speaker 2: to shame you. So you also go to New York

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Speaker 2: and do more theater because love to you need to

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Speaker 2: do this. If this show continues on, you need to

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Speaker 2: come in and do it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but we'll see everyone.

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Speaker 2: Literally, Jenna Ushkowitz can play every role in Spelling Beece like,

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Speaker 2: I want to see your take on every every role.

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Speaker 1: For the role of William Barfett.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do it. I believe in you, but

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm nervous. I'm starting to Austin and I are

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Speaker 2: having to sort of stort through.

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Speaker 1: So he.

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Speaker 2: Shooting a movie in New York for a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks right before with alex Wives. Oh my god, I

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Speaker 2: wrote it. Wow yeah Spring Awakening, fam.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to see some shows when you go before?

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Speaker 2: Hopefully? I don't know how much time I'm going to have,

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Speaker 2: right but when I like properly moved there, which is

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Speaker 2: happening in like a week, then I will I will try.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to try my hardest because I have to.

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Speaker 1: No, you have to. You'll find a way. You'll find

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Speaker 1: a way. Karen saw when we rehearsed for the Kennedy Center.

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Speaker 1: Person he saw a show every single night. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what I would do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe I could do that. I'm living. I

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Speaker 2: can't comprehend living in New York.

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Speaker 1: You only spent like like some some decent few weeks

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Speaker 1: at a month or two a month at a time.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever stayed there longer than a week.

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Speaker 2: Oh what, No, you were there longer for sure. I

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Speaker 2: mean I stayed with my sister for two weeks in

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Speaker 2: New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Wow, well that's still New York. But that's crazy. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna love it. It's really really fun. It's just vibrant,

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Speaker 1: even like though you're doing a show, which like takes

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Speaker 1: like a certain amount of like you know, you can't

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Speaker 1: do everything you want to do, but like just the

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Speaker 1: vibe of the city. You are going to be living

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Speaker 1: there during the winter, though, so you are really going

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Speaker 1: to have to Like I remember wearing like two pairs

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Speaker 1: of pants out in the winter. I would work out

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Speaker 1: and I would wear my workout pants and I wear

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Speaker 1: my sweatpants over it. Like you gotta get a winter coat.

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Speaker 1: You got to, like you need some some gloves.

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Speaker 2: I have to get a water of winter coat, right, Yes, Listen,

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Speaker 2: I've lived in la since I.

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Speaker 1: Was pature, and like a water proof one because I'm

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Speaker 1: hearing it's getting warmer and I'm hearing that it's not

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Speaker 1: as snowy, so.

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Speaker 2: Climate change isn't real. Jenna, No, right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow, wow, wow, Wow, that's very exciting.

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Speaker 2: I'm nervous. It's it's like happening, happening, it's real.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna have to come and report back. We're

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Speaker 1: still going to be doing the show. Obviously, we're in

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Speaker 1: this new formats. We're going to be watching lots of

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Speaker 1: musical stuff. But you're going to come and and we're

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Speaker 1: going to be like able to chat a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I never see you doing these podcasts,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm going to need like the weekly report

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Speaker 1: of like how your body's feeling, where your head's at,

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Speaker 1: how the show has been going, how the week was.

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Speaker 1: Holiday weeks are tough, Like you're getting into like the

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Speaker 1: holiday fifteen show.

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Speaker 2: We you know, in the middle of winter, recapping musical

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Speaker 2: the schedules. Some of the other people in the show,

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Speaker 2: and I've been texting like we have ten shows the

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Speaker 2: week of Christmas, Like, what yep show on Christmas?

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Speaker 1: Probably no, I don't think so. That's good.

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Speaker 2: That could change, but I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I remember doing all those shows missing like Easter and

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Speaker 1: missing uh maybe Christmas Eve. I think I had to

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Speaker 1: do a show. There's like just a lot of ones

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Speaker 1: holiday ones that were like, well, oh yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: Christmas Day at a show, at a Spring Waking show,

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Speaker 1: and Spring Waking on Christmas Day and I remember going

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Speaker 1: to my family's and Queens and then my dad dropped

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is the life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how are you, Jenna?

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm good. It's kind of like groundhog Day

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Speaker 1: It's tough, but I'm enjoying it. Also working, so it's

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Speaker 1: just it's a lot, but it's it's been good. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy and everybody's like doing well. But work has been crazy.

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Speaker 1: And Graham started like a toddler in me class, which

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Speaker 2: The other week we were talking about we were talking

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the funny part. So it's really important to

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Speaker 1: us that that Emma learned a second language. So we've

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Speaker 1: been talking. We were talking about how there's this Spanish

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Speaker 1: But Graham's class right after that, literally, like I think

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Speaker 1: so it's on the day that the enrichment class is happening,

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Speaker 1: enrichment class we want. Yeah Spanish, yeah, yeah, And it

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Speaker 2: I think she needs to speak Spanish.

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Speaker 1: She does, yeah, exactly. But this is more like centered

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Speaker 1: around like which is great too. It's like they center

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Speaker 1: and I love that. So anyway, that's that's the plan

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Well, you texted me the other day and you were like,

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Speaker 1: my dog's up with diaryel night and I have had

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Speaker 1: Our kids luckily sleep. So I'm just going to take it.

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Speaker 1: But I was laughing because I thought it was funny.

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Speaker 2: Because I hate when people are like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: when people are talking about their kids, like, oh, well

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Speaker 2: I have a cat or I have a dog, Like

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Speaker 2: it is not equivalent. I understand that.

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Speaker 1: I have a dog too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not equivalent. When our dogs were literally diary

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Speaker 2: and I know this is not even a fraction of

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Speaker 1: So there's so much poop and so much split up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, good for Jenna, because you're also like,

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Speaker 2: maybe at some point we'll talk about it whenever you want,

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Speaker 2: but like, you're also building an empire. Really, you're doing

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Speaker 2: a really really cool thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about that another day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's very exciting.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know, a mom covered and split up, just

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Speaker 2: So we watched Zoe's Extraordinary Playlist, which there's a lot

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Speaker 2: auditioned for Skyler's part.

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Speaker 3: I auditioned for Alex's part, did you Yeah, And they

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Speaker 2: And in the middle of it, Oh, actually, like after

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Speaker 1: So you never got to your test.

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Speaker 2: I never got to test because their first choice suddenly

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Speaker 1: As how many times did you go in for it

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Speaker 1: Do you remember like where your head was that being

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Speaker 1: like I could potentially be a series regular on another

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Speaker 2: At that point, I felt good about it because I,

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Speaker 2: it's like, if there's one thing that I have experience doing,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna chat about it and contrast, we're going to

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Speaker 2: And I love that these shows all use music slightly differently,

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Speaker 1: would benefit from being recorded live, both from a storytelling

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00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: and production and standpoint. M Yeah, I like that we

439
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: had like a mix, but I don't know that we

440
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: had as much of a hybrid as they probably.

441
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, interesting I had. I had a lot of question.

442
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 2: That was my first and biggest question when watching this pilot,

443
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 2: because it did sound like some of the things were

444
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: live live yeah, And I think for me I wanted

445
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: to work, you know, like Ley Miz they did things

446
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: live the movie. I want that to work in theory.

447
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if it necessary always does I agree

448
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: Like seeing Peter Gallagher sing yeah live and that moment

449
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: was like beautiful and raw and emotional.

450
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: Does it take you out a little bit?

451
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: It fully takes me out. But I think I'm overly

452
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: sensitive to that because I have a full body reaction

453
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: when somebody that was like singing well like either a

454
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: little sharp or flat or ahead of the beat or

455
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: two behind, like yeah, yeah, it affects me physically, Yeah,

456
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: I think, so it's harder for me. So I think

457
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: I'm probably not like everybody else in that way, And

458
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: so I don't know if other people even notice that,

459
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: or like there were times in the lane where I'm like,

460
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: I get you want the emotion, but I also want

461
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: a vocal that is like perfect.

462
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: I will say that in lame Is it didn't bother

463
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: me as much like when I shot Hello Again the

464
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: musical movie, we did the same thing that lame Is

465
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: had done because they had just done it, and we

466
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: were like, oh, I was like, this is so different

467
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: things this because it allows for freedom and your performance

468
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: right right, I will say in Zoe's because the tone

469
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: and the look of the show was so elevated and

470
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: so high quality of like this like office building that

471
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: was so bright and like ugly Betty's style that I

472
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: felt like it didn't always match. That's also because I

473
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: think we to be fair, like Lee was also there

474
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: and set a tone for us that we're so used

475
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: to seeing.

476
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you know what I mean.

477
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: So I agree. I don't know that it's necessarily everybody

478
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: right because people love the show, but I think that

479
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: they're definitely like some issues that I personally had with

480
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: the singing live also, and I don't know if that's

481
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: just because of our personal experience as well.

482
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: I was also wondering if things were recorded more quickly

483
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: or on the fly, because I thought sometimes things were

484
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: pitch corrected a little.

485
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: Sloppily, like the production style production.

486
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 2: Vocally, yeah, just vocally, And I couldn't tell if that

487
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: was oh, they're fixing it afterwards or recorded live and

488
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: then they are trying to, you know, fix it, because

489
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: then to me it sounds like a but again, I

490
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: don't know if that's just me catching it and other

491
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: people don't even notice that, right, But I do get

492
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: the performance of it because like it sounds like everybody's performance.

493
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: What you said makes so much sense, like the freedom

494
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: to be able to do.

495
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: Especially in those like very like Mad World and True

496
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: Colors were obviously the most emotional and like you know,

497
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: like emotionally driven numbers, like them crying and you know,

498
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: Peter Gallagher coming out of his like yeah, you know,

499
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: his his paralysis essentially, Like so like there's just it's

500
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: it was different. But I appreciate where they were, why

501
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: they did what they did in those moments.

502
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: I also think that Peter Galler is such a good

503
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: actor that I'm like, I just I want to watch

504
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: him do anything anyway, Yes, so I might, It's fine yeah,

505
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: it's actually fine. I think that you have to be

506
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: to be able to really do that for me successful,

507
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: like you have to be excent the Airy Vote or

508
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: Oriana because do you know what I mean?

509
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, like because.

510
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: They have perfect pitch and are going to be pitch perfect. Yeah.

511
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: Well, I think when it comes to music, Evan, we

512
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: learned this about you very early on. You are a

513
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: perfectionist in terms of.

514
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: Which is hilarious because I'm hardly ever on.

515
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: Pitch right, No, but you're but your ear perform Yeah,

516
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: for others is preferable that it's you. It's you're so

517
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: sensitive to it. I am, I know, to the recording

518
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: of it, to the mechanisms too.

519
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: So let me just to all of these shows and

520
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: to all of you listening, it's purely amanting. You're getting

521
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: to know me, for better or for worse. I've had

522
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: my entire life. I was like, oh my, So this.

523
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: Was directed actually by Richer Shephard.

524
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: And it was written by Austin Winsburg, like we said,

525
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: and you know, based off of his real life experience

526
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: with his own dad, not that he magically got the

527
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: ability to hear people's most inner thoughts through song and dance.

528
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: But this is what you write to right.

529
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. The special guest star of this episode, Lauren Graham,

530
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I.

531
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: Mean, come, I feel seeing more of her her. The

532
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: songs are there's quite a few songs.

533
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: Help by the Beatles, Mad World by Tears for Fears,

534
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: All I Do His Wing by DJ Kalled Dude Jake

535
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: Cat and True Colors by Cyndi Laufer.

536
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: We Crossover, and I Think I Love You by the

537
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: Partect Channel.

538
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the structure of a pilot. You got

539
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: to get into the world really quickly. Yeah, I think

540
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: I think this show does it really successfully. You start

541
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: with also Alex Newle. Alex sings what six or seven

542
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: times in this episode. I mean, and if you're gonna

543
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: have somebody sing live, you want it to be Alex

544
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: Now Alex new because every time Alex say, I was like, yes,

545
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: that is correct.

546
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: It is also really fun to see Alex put their

547
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: spin on this character because reading this obviously you know

548
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: in Robert Lark's office and going in for this role,

549
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: it is so it's just so Alex. And I'm so

550
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: grateful that like there's somebody that like put their their

551
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: flair and their spin on the character that like leaps

552
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: off the page in this way that I never imagined before. Yes,

553
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: so it was so exciting to see a dear friend

554
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: of ours and somebody from the blue world, yes you know,

555
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: coming on and like bring this like just joy to

556
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: the screen, but yet also seeing girlfriends.

557
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: And I like this mechanism it differentiates between music we hear,

558
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: how we all hear in a normal life with this

559
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: annoying neighbor, I would have I would have absolutely burned

560
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: that place to the ground.

561
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, definitely, And also a character that Jane then

562
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: has or Zoe has to confide in and help us

563
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: get into the world right, get into the like this

564
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: is the this is what she's what's real, and this

565
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: is what's not right, Like she's able to then start

566
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: to differentiate between the two.

567
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I feel like it lets you know

568
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: who Jane is immediately, and also someone who seemingly is

569
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: bothered by music, which is great, and there's not a

570
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: lot of music after that for quite a long time.

571
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: It feels like.

572
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: Right because we need to have the MRI and the event.

573
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: The event, like she goes to work, she's up for

574
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 2: a new promotion. Oh yeah, we meet Skyler, you know,

575
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: Skyler's like bff, like prepping her for this meeting she

576
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: goes to with Lauren Graham, who like, you know, when

577
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: somebody is so comfortable on screen, No, I don't, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

578
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: I see it, Like, yeah, I'm not like that.

579
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: No. Like it's such a comfort though to see a

580
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: character that you love in so many shows that you've

581
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: seen before to show up and they're like, oh, it

582
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: feels like a warm rug. Yeah, she's here, and she's

583
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: wearing hands.

584
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: Like playing like this sort of like tough meanish character. Yep,

585
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: I don't care. You can do it her you want.

586
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: But Zoe sort of bombs this interview like preliminary interview

587
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: for this gig yep, And the whole thing is sort

588
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 2: of the unraveling of like who she is, who she

589
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: wants to be. We find out she's struggling because her dad, Yeah.

590
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 1: Her father is to get home. So we go we

591
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: go home from workplace, this vibrant, bright workplace, to back

592
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: to this home that's a little bit like the tones

593
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: and the colors are a little bit darker, like stylistically,

594
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: everything's a little bit gloomier and sad. Given like you know,

595
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: their family's current situation, and so we learn more about

596
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: kind of what she's grappling with, what her challenges are,

597
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: and it leads her to this, uh, this.

598
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: MRI I liked. I felt almost startled by how it

599
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: did go from like the bright and punchy thing to

600
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: the seriousness of having a dad with that disease, right,

601
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: and how I was not expecting it, and how they

602
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: didn't lean away from it and they're like, you know,

603
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: she's like, let me feed my dad. It's fine, I

604
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: can do it. And they're sort of having confrontations throughout

605
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 2: the episode about you know, we need to treat him

606
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: like he can hear us, like he's still a living human,

607
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:26,959
Speaker 2: right And for me, for me, it felt like half

608
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 2: the first half of the pilot felt like a TV

609
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: show and then something turned into a movie. And it

610
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: turned into a movie because by the end of it,

611
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I just wanted to keep going. Yes,

612
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: they like found it for me, like, yes, once you

613
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: do all that set up and you do have So

614
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 2: she goes to get her MRI because she thinks she's

615
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: you know, she's having headaches and eye pain, and there's

616
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 2: an earthquake, and the earthquake makes the MRI machine glitch

617
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: this I don't know it.

618
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: This is where the camp comes in, I think, And

619
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: this where you're like that's the sception of like disbelieve

620
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: of like okay, we're we're in a different show now,

621
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, like how are they going to get into this?

622
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: And so it turns for me in that moment, I'm like,

623
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: oh when when then she goes out onto the street

624
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: and you get all by myself and what a man

625
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: into this huge number in the San Francisco streets of help,

626
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: You're like you're like finding like you said, like you're

627
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, what is this? I was like, where

628
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: are we? What is this? What is this going to be?

629
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: Because it's not just people breaking in the song like

630
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: it is, but it's not like it's not like and

631
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: Rachel Barry walking down the hallway and just starting to sing.

632
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: She's hearing it and it's she's hearing all these people

633
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: and she's hearing their soul sing right, it's the heart

634
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: the heart songs. So I think at first, like it

635
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: took me a second to like buy into that. Yeah,

636
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: like help, I was like, I don't know, I don't

637
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: know about this flash pop number. I don't know that

638
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: I'm into this, this this gig, but as we got

639
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: deeper into it, like the Mad Worlds of the and

640
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: the True Colors, I'm like, oh, I actually am more

641
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: invested in the stories and the emotion and the secret

642
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: that she holds. Like again, like it feels like a

643
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: superpower that I'm like, Oh, she's going to use this

644
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: to her advantage. I'm sure it'll work against her in

645
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, but also like she's the this

646
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: is her driving force now and it's just gonna it's

647
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: gonna drive the whole story. Like So it took me

648
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: a second, and then when Skuyler breaks out into his song,

649
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: I was like, here we go, right.

650
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: And it felt like it feels like one of those

651
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: things too, like in theory, like oh, yeah, we can

652
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: have all these big production numbers and I'm sure they

653
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: like continue to have them and they look great. Yeah,

654
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: But like you said, I think I'm eating my own

655
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: words here with like the live recordings, there's something about

656
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: when it really is intimate and you hear these people

657
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: that I mean, so she hears one of her co workers,

658
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: like one of the higher ups, having this moment in

659
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: the office and this guy in the office is all

660
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: happy and lovable and hot, and you know, she's like,

661
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 2: he has a perfect life, he has it all. Yeah,

662
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 2: and then she hears him singing mad world, right, and

663
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: then it gives her the confidence for the first time

664
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 2: to like speak to this guy yes, and she's That's

665
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: when it switched for me, because then Zoe as the

666
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: character is competent and and it knows about this stuff

667
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: because she's had to deal with like really serious hardship

668
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: with her dead. And from that moment on, it felt

669
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: like a different show and like they've really found their footing.

670
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: And I think that probably speaks to the writer and

671
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: director's like personal experience, because I think that's where the

672
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: music is most successful. I think that's where the acting

673
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: is most successful. And then it makes it grounds everything else.

674
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: Like then when she goes back to work and Lauren

675
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: Graham calls her back into the office and being like,

676
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: what are you doing? You see him all over the place,

677
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: and she, like you said, she starts using it to

678
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: her this Zoe starts using this power to her advantage.

679
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

680
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like, Oh, I like this character. I want

681
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: to see this character win, and I want to see

682
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: this character fight, yeah, and like make these connections with people.

683
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: I think that's also difficult is like having done a show,

684
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: a musical TV show. There's a very specific world in

685
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: which what in which these ball shows created. Right. The

686
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: more difficult thing that I grapple with of the belief

687
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: in the music driving me being the driving force or

688
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: like the I don't know the A big part of

689
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: the show is that Glee was about a a glee

690
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: club teacher in a high school. Where this is surrounding

691
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: a glee club, Right, there's so much more availability for

692
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: us to sing and for it to be like, oh, yeah,

693
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: they're going to put on a performance or this is

694
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: going to be a dream sequence or competition or whatever,

695
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: versus like making music fit into a world where music

696
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 1: doesn't normally fit.

697
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I commend them for that.

698
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: It's really difficult. It's also really funny to see some

699
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: of these I'm sure we'll see Like I talk like

700
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna recap Zoe's We're not, but like, I'm sure

701
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: you'll see a lot more crossover of songs used on

702
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: both Glee and on.

703
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: Well There there's no way you won't. We did over

704
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: seven hundred songs like that's not fair top forties. Yeah,

705
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: like there's no, absolutely, no way. I also love with

706
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 2: the growing confidence of Zoe, of her like her sort

707
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: of like sensey is Alex Newle and like going into

708
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: the apartment being like, look, I don't even like you,

709
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: but I just need to like tell you what's going on?

710
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: Am I crazy? I'm hearing things? And I love how

711
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: Alex's character just keeps talking about how high they are

712
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: and they're like, I don't know, maybe you can like

713
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: hear people's inner thoughts. And then Zoe just buys it. Yes,

714
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: and there's something freeing like, yeah, you have like this

715
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: over analytical computer programmer. Yes, character who then has to

716
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: who's like living next to this person that just a

717
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: one to eighty different difference in them? Yeah, and you

718
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: all of a sudden have to buy into like sure,

719
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: like o' let's go with that idea when you wouldn't

720
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: think someone like that would buy into it, And it

721
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: obviously creates like it's perfect sort of sitcom rules. It's like, oh, yeah, now,

722
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: this combination, this relationship is something I now want to see.

723
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I mean, I understand why they didn't give

724
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: Zoe a heart song. In this episode, of course, because

725
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: she's just figuring this out. But I also feel like

726
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have heard her heart song,

727
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: even though I kind of know what she wants and

728
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: I know where she is, Like that was very clear,

729
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: which I think is the sign of a good pilot

730
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: or scrap. But I'd be curious to keep watching to

731
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: see at what point does.

732
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: She start involving herself in the music, right, I mean,

733
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: because the music in the show serves as the device

734
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: to re hurt into other people, well and for people

735
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: to release, right, they're not speaking. She seems to be

736
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: speaking everything she's thinking, like she's not holding anything in

737
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: for us as the viewer, right, So there's no point

738
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: in the pilot at least for her to and same

739
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: with Alex Alex's character, and so at some point you

740
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: can obviously, like I imagine it will happen that you know,

741
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 2: she will need to have some sort of release release.

742
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like it's kind of like when

743
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: a musical theaters say when they say, like when there's

744
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: nowhere else for the emotion to go, you break in

745
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: just up right.

746
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: A little bit when they get on the sailboat. Because

747
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: Peter Gallagher sings True Colors, Zoey's like, oh my god,

748
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 2: he can hear us. He loves sailing, Like, let's let's

749
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: do these things that he loves still, just because he

750
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: can't communicate with us verbally, Like and they get on

751
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 2: that sailboat and he grabs his wife's hand. Oh lord,

752
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 2: That's why I was like I forgot what I was watching,

753
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: Like I was so lost in it, where like you know,

754
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: in the first half of it, you're like, Okay, this

755
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: is a pilot. They're doing all the normal things that

756
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: you need to do, We're setting all this up, and

757
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: then it's just this like beautiful moving switch.

758
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It was a really nice balance of like

759
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: these big musical numbers in the street versus like these

760
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: very intimate numbers with like true Colors. But then also

761
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: like these moments where there was no music at all

762
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: and like it actually wasn't even it drove her there,

763
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: but then they let it kind of sit, which was nice,

764
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: Like there wasn't I think overall there wasn't too much music.

765
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: I think it was just the right amount for a

766
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: musical TV show, and there was still a lot of music.

767
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: I think that's a huge success on their part, Like

768
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: there was lots of little like alex Is sing tons

769
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: of songs. Yeah, you have breakouts in the offices, you

770
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: have people in the streets. Like there's a lot of

771
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: music in this episode, but like it does not feel overcrowded.

772
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the little ending though of like a

773
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: Skylar's song of us revealing something that she she thought

774
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: she knew this person so well, and the reveal is

775
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: that she knew nothing right. She didn't know this big secret.

776
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: And so that's when I think, like the ethics thing

777
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: where she says, like, you know, I don't know if

778
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: this is ethical to like know into their minds, like,

779
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: but like I just think, like this is that really

780
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: got me. I was like, Okay, she's gonna learn. They're

781
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: going to use this as like a device for so

782
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: much for her to learn to use, to not use,

783
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: to have to like navigate not knowing, like pretendingly she

784
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: doesn't know this Skyler's in love with her. You know.

785
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: It made me like want to watch more to see

786
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: how they handle the rest of the series versus just

787
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: one one pilot.

788
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: Right. I also liked that the episode just ends then, yes,

789
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 2: because it sounds like it wraps up like five minutes earlier.

790
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: Right, So that's the good thing about it, right, It

791
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: didn't feel like everything else got left hanging, but like

792
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: they leave you with this little cliffhanger moment of like

793
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: oh and then also, we're going to use it like this, right, Yeah,

794
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: this is how the music is kind of gonna go,

795
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: which I like.

796
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: I think they really found it, like they yes, yes,

797
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 2: they really found their footing, and it makes me really

798
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: excited for like what comes next.

799
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: Very clever.

800
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah there, it almost felt like they shot at insequential order,

801
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: you know, oh the whole.

802
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: Pilot you mean, yeah, or that's just a good director.

803
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, she would create some performances, yes, help any

804
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: of this want to be Plus, I did not like

805
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: when that woman right next to her scared her and

806
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: sang right to her. It did not make me feel good.

807
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 2: But I think that's the point.

808
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: I know, I know I did it, but I did

809
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: not like.

810
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: I'll yeah. B plus mad world an.

811
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: All I do is win, It's ridiculous. B plus true

812
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: colors A. I think I love you just Skyler, you know.

813
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: Scott also Skyler yeap like she can sing live any

814
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: any day.

815
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he just gave us a full Broadway performance

816
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: like that. It was.

817
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: That's the other thing. I want to feel confident and

818
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 2: you know, like we're saying Warren Graham, Yeah she comes

819
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: on screen. You know, I'm I feel confident, Skyler. I

820
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: feel confident no matter what he's doing, it is going

821
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: to work, sound and feel good.

822
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, let's do so Tardi takes Ouchyes, cringe moments.

823
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if they had. Yeah.

824
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's obviously the one character, Tobin, who sang all

825
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 2: the but he's like it's intentional, right, that's the character, right,

826
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,479
Speaker 2: He's saying all the anti women, you know, misogynistic things,

827
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: and that's but that's what he's He's clearly made to

828
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: be the outlier there. I don't think they really had

829
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: a need to be.

830
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: Honest, No, I agree, Okay, so let's go on to

831
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: best dance move.

832
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: I think, I mean help, I mean, there was a

833
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: lot of choreo in it.

834
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: And then also Zoe running.

835
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

836
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Also I know it wasn't dancy, but it's very funny.

837
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: But you have to choreograph that. You're choreographing all the

838
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: movement and that literally.

839
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: The song.

840
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I know I did this with all the Glee

841
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: recaps to where I start the episode saying one thing,

842
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 2: and then I end the episode by saying the complete opposite,

843
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: True Colors, True Colors or mad World.

844
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: That's so funny.

845
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: Look, I'm adaptable, I learned. I'm malleable.

846
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah you are, you know, and I appreciate that you're

847
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: willing to accept your failures. No, no, I'm kidding, but

848
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: we are opened to it for change. That's we're willing

849
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: to evolve. Yes, that's all that we need. The best

850
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: performance by prop I.

851
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: Honestly, the MRI, The MRI, I awesome, MRI.

852
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: I mix yes, yes, yes, yes, that's line m M.

853
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: I loved when Alex says to in the bar scene

854
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: when they're having their like little like pow wow Zoe

855
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: and mo like I'm really sorry. Uh let me know

856
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: if it ever happens to you again, because this is

857
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: the first thing that I find remotely interested.

858
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: Yes, my favorite line was also one of Alex's. He goes,

859
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: I'm just very very confused. You said that I was

860
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: getting a glimpse into other people's heads. Mosays, I said,

861
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: maybe you were, And you should really take everything I

862
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: say when I'm high with a grain of salt.

863
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: Alex just coming in for the wind. Yeah, performance MVP.

864
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: I mean Jane, yeah, Zoe, Yeah, I think she had

865
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: a lot to do. She had to like string this

866
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: whole concept together. Yeah, she really held it.

867
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, she really did so. Jane Leevy really smashed that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're still doing shit we found on TikTok and it's

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Speaker 2: g Lee related, Jenna. Big Time Cooper.

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Speaker 1: Saw this. I saw this, you've seen this. I didn't

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Speaker 1: see it on TikTok, but I saw Instagram photos that

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Speaker 1: I was tagged in, and I genuinely was like, what

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Speaker 1: are we doing? And I looked and was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's not us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So it was big Time Cooper and some of

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Speaker 2: her friends said. Ten years of hunting down screen accurate

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Speaker 2: Glee costumes and we finally brought them to n my seat,

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Speaker 2: Times Square, Washington Square Park, and Central Park. Ninety degree

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Speaker 2: heat couldn't stop us. We gave up before Lincoln Center. Wow,

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Speaker 2: there was all the actual, really good all the costumes

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Speaker 2: from our New York episode, all the girls, and it's

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Speaker 2: it's absolutely insane.

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Speaker 1: This is this.

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Speaker 2: Is incredibly good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is really really good.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you found all of these things,

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Speaker 2: even like the photos.

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Speaker 1: I know it's really good. The locations, the whole thing

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Speaker 1: is just spot on.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they did this. It's absolutely insane,

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Speaker 2: but I please go look this up everyone, big time.

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Speaker 2: Cooper on TikTok. It's just when I first saw it too,

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Speaker 2: I thought it was actually yes, no, yeah, trip me out. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we did it.

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Speaker 1: Hope you guys enjoyed this recap of Zoe's extraordinary playlists.

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Speaker 1: Next we have Max himself on the show, Jean Baptiste

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Speaker 1: from Glee, our dear friend Skylar Aston.

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Speaker 2: But before you go, a little heads up, so next

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Speaker 2: up we're going to be watching Rocky Horror Picture Show,

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Speaker 2: so you can watch with us. And that's what you

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Speaker 2: really missed. Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram

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Speaker 2: to write us a review and leave us five stars.

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