Speaker 1: They would asking me when I would ringside. I had
Speaker 1: people asking tell you next, you next? And then I
Speaker 1: had one guy that's like, Yo, this is gonna be funny.
Speaker 1: There's like, uh, if you had to fight her, and
Speaker 1: who who would you? Who? Who would you? Who would you?
Speaker 1: Who would you want to fight? I said Donovan McNabb
Speaker 1: and I and I'm dead serious, Shanna. I'll knock him
Speaker 1: out because it would be so much be so much
Speaker 1: different now. I know. I'll be controlled, It'll be controlled angry.
Speaker 1: I'd be like a I'd be like a Navy seal.
Speaker 1: I'd be a Navy seal because you know they cool
Speaker 1: come under all conditions. But there would be a fire
Speaker 1: burning inside of me, so you literally try to knock
Speaker 1: the man out, clean out. I knocked chunky soup from
Speaker 1: him from from from two thousand folk. Trust me all
Speaker 1: my life, running all my life fights one slice, one
Speaker 1: got the swadding all my life. I've been rne in
Speaker 1: all my life, all my life, and rine in all
Speaker 1: my life, and up Sacon fights, hustle back prices, one slice,
Speaker 1: swatting all my life. I've been grinding in all my life. Hello,
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Club Sha Shay. I am
Speaker 1: your host, also the proprietor Club Sha Shay. And the
Speaker 1: guy that's coming by for a drinking conversation today is
Speaker 1: an all time great. I do not believe you can
Speaker 1: tell the story in the history of the NFL without
Speaker 1: mentioning his name. He's a six time Pro bowler. He's
Speaker 1: a five time first team All Pro. He's one of
Speaker 1: three men to be first team All Pro with three
Speaker 1: different teams. He's an all decade receiver of the two thousands.
Speaker 1: You know him as initials, t O, Tera Lawyers, TEO.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Bro Man? What's good? Man? You like
Speaker 1: that intro? I was looking. I was like Mary, he
Speaker 1: rambling it out like he didn't read from a telepunter.
Speaker 1: So you're here today, You're gonna you gotta wine. You're
Speaker 1: gonna tell us about some of the other things that
Speaker 1: you also have. But tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: eighty one till well. I'm fortunate number one to be
Speaker 1: collaborating with another Hall of Famer who just recently passed
Speaker 1: in time of disorder. Okay, Los Angeles legend as well
Speaker 1: with all the grades that live here, right, but I
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to collaborate and uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: you know, growing up in the South, you know, we
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about drinking wine. They was either Moon's wine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the only type you got wine. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: And so uh so I came about this opportunity, and uh,
Speaker 1: I couldn't pass it up. And you know, my first
Speaker 1: experience being from Alabama and then getting getting drafted to
Speaker 1: San Francisco, never really experienced wine, you know, like California experience,
Speaker 1: and so I gave them kind of like my likes
Speaker 1: and dislikes of the experiences that I had. Uh it
Speaker 1: was dry, pasty, just didn't like it. And so with
Speaker 1: eighty one, I included some of the you know, the
Speaker 1: things that I didn't like. Uh, they incorporated the the
Speaker 1: feedback and to to make eighty one. And so the
Speaker 1: tasty notes in the ingredients with with eighty one is
Speaker 1: it's like a black black ripe, black cherry plum preserves right, cinnamon,
Speaker 1: stick of romans okay, dark chocolate right, and a spicy
Speaker 1: toasted out Okay. So you you you did a lot
Speaker 1: of research. You seem like you put thought into it.
Speaker 1: You just didn't say, well, no, I just slap my
Speaker 1: name on it. We good. It seems like when you
Speaker 1: I hear you talk, you're like, Okay, this is what
Speaker 1: I like. These are some of the wines that I've tasted.
Speaker 1: But and so ken, how do we get something similar
Speaker 1: but have my personality absolutely? And so even with the
Speaker 1: aesthetics or the bottle, if you look at it right
Speaker 1: that the label is textured. Yeah, I know you like
Speaker 1: that pig skin. So yeah, I noticed that very instrumental
Speaker 1: and really from the aesthetics always to the inside. Obviously
Speaker 1: there's a base. And so with this this wine is
Speaker 1: a Cabernet, so it's a ninety five percent Cabernet. Any
Speaker 1: guy's initials, I know, I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: see that from from this distance, but the line and
Speaker 1: it's got it got too. So that's my that's my logo.
Speaker 1: And I saw my clothing line as well. So uh
Speaker 1: just uh, you know, just trying to you know, build
Speaker 1: and on what you know I've been able to do
Speaker 1: on the football field, and it really kind of post
Speaker 1: football and trying to establish some businesses. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: so if you're interwined, definitely go check this out. Eighty
Speaker 1: one vino dot com. Like I said, it's a Cabernet
Speaker 1: Blend ninety five percent cabin five percent. Sarah, you mentioned
Speaker 1: you got the wine. You say you got a clothing line.
Speaker 1: The shade your wing is also from part of the
Speaker 1: part of my line prototype eighty one. I got a
Speaker 1: clothing line, obviously. Uh. You know I always talk about
Speaker 1: my three pillars of success, you know what I mean. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you had your path and there are things that motivated you,
Speaker 1: obviously similar. I know we've talked about it with our grandmother.
Speaker 1: But when I got inducted into the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: you know, going to it, you know, being you know,
Speaker 1: growing up in a small city, small town at Alexander City, Alabama,
Speaker 1: then going to a small division one double a school,
Speaker 1: New Teach, Chattanooga, right, and then you know, I played
Speaker 1: fifteen years. I get, uh, obviously nominated in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: And I didn't really know much about the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame because a lot of you know, some guys play
Speaker 1: to get to the Hall of Fame and some guys
Speaker 1: play for whatever. And so when I went, I did
Speaker 1: an interview with Chris Rose and those guys. When I
Speaker 1: got nominated, they asked me to come to the studio
Speaker 1: and they talked about it because it was like the
Speaker 1: class of you know that we were that I was with,
Speaker 1: and I just did an interview and didn't really understand
Speaker 1: the magnitude of what I had just done until I
Speaker 1: got home. I'm looking at the TV and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at all the highlights everybody that's in that class, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, this is a big deal. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm like, how did I get here? And So when
Speaker 1: I talk about my three pillars of success, it's desired, dedication,
Speaker 1: and discipline. And so with the fabrics of everything that
Speaker 1: I that I do, I try to incorporate that into everything.
Speaker 1: And so if I didn't have the desire, and everybody
Speaker 1: has a desire to be or do something in life, right,
Speaker 1: but you gotta dedicate yourself. And you talk about some
Speaker 1: of the greats, you know, you're in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: there's something about you. There's something about the three hundred
Speaker 1: plus thirty plus guys that are in that in that museum.
Speaker 1: It's something about them that made them go from good
Speaker 1: to great, right, And so that was something that I
Speaker 1: really stuck with, and that was my discipline. And so
Speaker 1: when you talk about my career, you look at how
Speaker 1: I got there. I wouldn't be there without those three
Speaker 1: these you mentioned about going and doing the interview, and
Speaker 1: they're rolling footage of some of the plays you made
Speaker 1: in your career. And I've often told people this, you
Speaker 1: don't realize some of the things that you've done because
Speaker 1: you're in it, So you don't. When I'm in it,
Speaker 1: I didn't go back and look like, oh man, last year,
Speaker 1: let me go back and look at some of the
Speaker 1: things I did, or let me go back. You don't
Speaker 1: do that because you're in it. You're like, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get better. And then once it's over, I found
Speaker 1: myself going back and looking like, what, Okay, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm worthy of being in the Pro Football Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame right after, and I think that factored into obviously me,
Speaker 1: you know, making my decision to do it elsewhere after
Speaker 1: I got snubbed two times, and so the first time
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I was gonna be a grown
Speaker 1: man about it, being mature about it, like, okay, next year,
Speaker 1: I get in, right. And then when the next year
Speaker 1: came up, you know, we've talked about it, and it
Speaker 1: didn't happen right, And I felt like I felt I
Speaker 1: felt disrespected the first year, disappointed, but then the second
Speaker 1: year I felt disrespected, you know, to the in degree.
Speaker 1: And so at that point I said I had to
Speaker 1: take matters into my own hands. Let's talk about something,
Speaker 1: because I don't think people at home, no, go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead, bruh. I don't think people at home realizing
Speaker 1: I've told you this and I've told others, even when
Speaker 1: the voters were coming around asking me, so we'll talk
Speaker 1: to me about till I said, I believe you the
Speaker 1: second greatest received by all the time. I said, that's
Speaker 1: no disrespect the end of the guys, because I was
Speaker 1: in the NFL when Jerry's prime. I was in the
Speaker 1: NFL when when Randy got in, when you got there,
Speaker 1: in some of the greats. I said, this is no
Speaker 1: disrespect to anybody that's in the hall, but I believe
Speaker 1: TiO is the second best behind Jerry. And they and
Speaker 1: they said, well, you know what about the other stuff.
Speaker 1: I said, well, you guys, and the by law says
Speaker 1: the other stuff doesn't matter. It said on the football field,
Speaker 1: that's what mattered. So here are some of your compliment
Speaker 1: You played fifteen NFL season. You mentioned one thousand and
Speaker 1: seventy eight catches fifteen thousand, nine hundred and thirty four yards,
Speaker 1: which is, if I'm not mistaken, that's third behind Jerry
Speaker 1: and lad fish Gerald. Now you have one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty three receiving touchdowns. That's third behind Jerry and Randy Moss. Uh.
Speaker 1: Three times you led the NFL in receiving. You scored
Speaker 1: at least thirteen touchdowns in seventh season in a ten
Speaker 1: years span from ninety eight to two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: You'll wanna You're the only NFL player in history to
Speaker 1: score at least two touchdowns against all thirty two teams.
Speaker 1: You're the only player in NFL history to have two
Speaker 1: have three. No, let me get this stract now, only
Speaker 1: player in the NFL history to have a two hundred
Speaker 1: yard receiving game with three different teams. I did that,
Speaker 1: you see, And you know what, as my crank researcher
Speaker 1: for it, I said, I bet he don't even know this.
Speaker 1: You did that, man, that's crazy, especially the two hundred
Speaker 1: yard games, because I mean those are sometimes those are
Speaker 1: hard to come back. They are. And the only one
Speaker 1: that really come to mind the eighty three. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was mad because they pulled me out with, probably
Speaker 1: because I knew it. I knew what was going on,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, I'm like three hundred people that's
Speaker 1: that's a mythical number four receiver, right, some some people
Speaker 1: going full season and exactly exactly what I mean. So,
Speaker 1: so you know, like you you're in a game and
Speaker 1: you look, this is it. You catch it, everything, and
Speaker 1: everything seems so easy, and no matter what the DV does,
Speaker 1: no matter what the coverage they call, they can't see you.
Speaker 1: And you're like, just let me take full advantage of me.
Speaker 1: Don't let me get hurt, don't let nothing happen, don't
Speaker 1: let's don't blow them out. What the thing was like
Speaker 1: pre game, you know, a doctor Harriet Ward, professor, and
Speaker 1: he was kind of like a you know, part of
Speaker 1: the organization. And so you know, at this point, like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm kind of like, you know, at the
Speaker 1: height of my career, just tried starting to to really
Speaker 1: make a name for myself. And so we were breakfast
Speaker 1: that morning and so we already knew, like I said,
Speaker 1: this is this is Jerry's last right, right, So we
Speaker 1: were like so he was like, yo, you know, you
Speaker 1: know this is Jerry thing, you know, kind of just
Speaker 1: you know, because they knew I was gonna score or
Speaker 1: possibly celebrate or whatever. He like, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: toned it down a bit. Let this be and I
Speaker 1: was and I was, I was receptive of that. Okay.
Speaker 1: I first, you know, the script of fifteen whatever sixteen
Speaker 1: plays man, they had fourteen and fifteen al Jerry all Jerry.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't mad at that because I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is I've witnessed greatness, you know for a number
Speaker 1: of years, right, you know, I can imagine like I
Speaker 1: can't imagine. Right. So the game plan, you know, as
Speaker 1: it unfolded, we weren't the only one that knew that
Speaker 1: this is the Jerry last day. The defensive coordinators knew
Speaker 1: all week, you know what I mean. And then the
Speaker 1: defensive players they started doubling him, they started taking shots
Speaker 1: setting you know what I mean. And then it got
Speaker 1: you know, it was to the point of where it
Speaker 1: it knew they knew, and it felt like we were
Speaker 1: forcing the ball to him, right, and then it got
Speaker 1: to a point at where we weren't really our offense
Speaker 1: was stalling because of what was how the game was unfolding,
Speaker 1: and so they got to the point to where Jeff,
Speaker 1: you know, he had just had to go through his progressions.
Speaker 1: You know, if he wasn't double team, if he was
Speaker 1: oble team, he had to go. And I was usually
Speaker 1: number two or three in the progression. And that's how
Speaker 1: I ended up with. You know, probably I don't know
Speaker 1: how many catches in there, like the first that hold on.
Speaker 1: Then then you have twenty you had, you had twenty
Speaker 1: catches that day two eighty three, and everybody thought you
Speaker 1: had something to do with like hockey, tell do this
Speaker 1: old Jerry's Yeah, exactly like I like I was throwing
Speaker 1: it in catching it, you know what I mean. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so for me, man, I just I was a benefactor,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just of what he's done
Speaker 1: throughout the course of his career. And again, if I
Speaker 1: would have dropped twenty, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: would have looked like that the worst, you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, duo part of the duo. Ever, so for me,
Speaker 1: I was just doing my job. And uh as you
Speaker 1: as you know, you know you have duos throughout the
Speaker 1: course of the season. You have number ones and you
Speaker 1: have number twos. And then just just like with my numbers,
Speaker 1: they were very inflated because of what Jerry had done
Speaker 1: throughout the course of his career. You have guys today
Speaker 1: that are benefactors to number ones and then their numbers
Speaker 1: at the end of the season are like number ones
Speaker 1: and they think they're a number one, right, but they're
Speaker 1: really not right. So I was just fortunate man to
Speaker 1: just to build on that, and so it was really
Speaker 1: it was kind of symbolic in the sense of just
Speaker 1: passing another torch. Right, did you feel bad because you
Speaker 1: know what you knew having seen Jerry practice ever, having
Speaker 1: seen Jerry practice every single day, know his work ethic.
Speaker 1: He's the one that made everybody in the West Coast.
Speaker 1: You catch a five yard roud, you gotta finish the
Speaker 1: ball forty fifty yards everywhere I went sick. I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, and Mike, Mike was my head coach. So
Speaker 1: when he came back, he brought that I catch, I
Speaker 1: catch a stick rob or I catch a shell of cross,
Speaker 1: I gotta fifish sixty yards and then they call another
Speaker 1: player again. Yeah, well, you know that's how Jerry did it.
Speaker 1: So you saw his work ethic, You know what he
Speaker 1: had done to put in for that land, and everybody
Speaker 1: knew that was gonna be his last game in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: When you go home at night that night and you're
Speaker 1: laying it, but you're like, damn, I had twenty two
Speaker 1: eighty three. What do you did? You feel bad for
Speaker 1: Jerry because you know he wanted it? I no, I honestly, man.
Speaker 1: And that's so that's this is what's so crazy about
Speaker 1: me and football. Like I never thought I would play
Speaker 1: beyond the collegiate level, so to play football and become
Speaker 1: competitive and learn the little nuances and intricacies of playing
Speaker 1: the receiver position, I was just kind of just learning
Speaker 1: on the fly, right, So I never really I never
Speaker 1: looked that far I head or into it as me
Speaker 1: becoming who I became or taken away from Jerry. I
Speaker 1: was just, honestly, I was still learning to position. I
Speaker 1: was so green and so raw that I didn't think
Speaker 1: of it like that, right. I was just looking at
Speaker 1: it as I was doing my job, right, And so
Speaker 1: that's how I looked at it throughout the course of
Speaker 1: my career. And I try to educate guys and let
Speaker 1: these guys know the numbers are going to be there
Speaker 1: if you're doing and you're preparing yourself for whatever position
Speaker 1: that you play. You don't have to worry about the numbers.
Speaker 1: They're gonna take care of take care of itself. And
Speaker 1: so I never really laid laid in my bed at
Speaker 1: night thinking, Okay, I took this away from Jerry or whatever. Football. Honestly,
Speaker 1: like I said, if I had to say it now,
Speaker 1: it was almost like a hobby to me because basketball
Speaker 1: was my passion, that was my love. And so just
Speaker 1: with my athletic athletic ability, everything that I did on
Speaker 1: the basketball court, that translated to football. And that's how
Speaker 1: I became, you know, better at the position. Along with
Speaker 1: just the position coaches that I had that instilled in me.
Speaker 1: They saw, they saw the potential in which I was
Speaker 1: drafted with and they kept telling me, like, man, you
Speaker 1: you could be you could be a great one one day.
Speaker 1: You could be just like Jerry. You could be better
Speaker 1: than Jerry. Then I found myself trying to emulate and
Speaker 1: do everything that Jerry did. But I had to realize
Speaker 1: and be all realist, like I'm not Jerry, right what
Speaker 1: our body types are totally different. He's up for nas more,
Speaker 1: you know, route Chris route runner. For me, I was physical.
Speaker 1: I was rugged. I was raw. I had to fine
Speaker 1: tune my game every year all the way to year fifteen.
Speaker 1: You made some headlines saying that someone reached out to
Speaker 1: you and said, you know what, TL stay in shape,
Speaker 1: we might give you a call. I just had a birthday,
Speaker 1: You're forty seven years of age, hadn't played in a decade.
Speaker 1: If somebody seriously called you to come, okay, feel We're
Speaker 1: gonna get your workout and if you perform like you
Speaker 1: believe you can, we're gonna give you an opportunity, would
Speaker 1: you take it absolutely? I mean, I've always said, I mean,
Speaker 1: even just the way that I departed, not being able
Speaker 1: to really really end on my on you turn. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You know how that is. I mean,
Speaker 1: And for me, it's it's it's it's it's so crazy
Speaker 1: because I've had colds that and even players that have
Speaker 1: been in position at the end of their careers that
Speaker 1: wanted opportunities black and white, and for me to be
Speaker 1: in a situation and see who I am and see
Speaker 1: what I'm made of, see what I look like. It's
Speaker 1: perplexing to me that they wouldn't go to bad or like,
Speaker 1: oh I played with this guy, I know what he's
Speaker 1: made of. If anybody can do it, he can do it.
Speaker 1: And what's so funny is like you hear the I
Speaker 1: read the headlines. It's like, oh, Terrell and claim somebody.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm telling the truth. I don't have
Speaker 1: to claim anything. I don't know how you interpret that,
Speaker 1: but it's almost saying it almost seems like I'm lying
Speaker 1: or I'm just making it up. Right, dude, I don't
Speaker 1: have to lie by anything I can show you. Text.
Speaker 1: Owner approached me. They approached me. I didn't actively go yeah,
Speaker 1: so I haven't actively went out and got an agent
Speaker 1: and shot and tried to play in the league. Owner
Speaker 1: approached me. He all me through a friend of mine
Speaker 1: went to a restaurant and he said, oh, such such
Speaker 1: as an owner, such such as in here. And I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I know him. I've met him before. And so I
Speaker 1: reintroduced myself and so we're just talking just casually, and
Speaker 1: so he looked at me, he goes, man, look like
Speaker 1: you can still play? And I said, I said so,
Speaker 1: And so I said, it's not like I can't play.
Speaker 1: I said, under the right circumstances, given an opportunity, I said,
Speaker 1: I probably could play. I said, you think about third
Speaker 1: down situation. As an owner, he knows what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: third down, red zone. And I go through the season,
Speaker 1: I get myself in shape. There's no doubt. He said, Okay, cool.
Speaker 1: I went back to my table. Five ten minutes later,
Speaker 1: the owner restaurant comes back by and he goes, y'o.
Speaker 1: He said, he just asked me. It's TEO series. And
Speaker 1: I looked at me and I'm saying, is he serious.
Speaker 1: He's the one that asked me, right, So that's where
Speaker 1: it all. That's that's where it all started. And so
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, cool, So I own my way out.
Speaker 1: I saw him again. He look, I'm gonna talk to you,
Speaker 1: you know, to the head coach. I'll get I gave
Speaker 1: him my number. He said, I get it. I get
Speaker 1: back in touch with you. I was at the hotel
Speaker 1: like the next day, I'm getting ready to leave phone rang.
Speaker 1: I missed the call. Call right back was the head coach.
Speaker 1: He ses, oh, here, you talk to us the owner
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Yes. I talked to him. He's like,
Speaker 1: what do you got going on? I said, yo, He said,
Speaker 1: you know, I look like I can play and I said, coach,
Speaker 1: he knows who I am, he knows what I made it.
Speaker 1: He was, I said, coach, third down, red zone. I
Speaker 1: said as a season wrote, obviously you can use me. However,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt I can. I can't play. He said,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, I'm gonna talk to the general manager.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. So then he talks to the general manager.
Speaker 1: And at some point the general manager texts my old phone,
Speaker 1: which I hadn't used, and I don't know how long,
Speaker 1: and I just so happened and I'm back in Florida.
Speaker 1: I plugged the phone up. I see a message from
Speaker 1: the general manager, like three weeks ago. They had asked
Speaker 1: me to come in to speak to the young receivers.
Speaker 1: So I kind of got nervous. I'm like a man,
Speaker 1: did I missed opportunity? Right? So I reached back out
Speaker 1: to him. I dropped a yo, you, this is Terrell.
Speaker 1: You reached out to an old phone. And then I said,
Speaker 1: I saw you asked me about coming and talking and
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I would have loved it, said I
Speaker 1: didn't know if that was a way of them bringing
Speaker 1: me in to work me out as well as talked
Speaker 1: to receivers, and so long story short, Shandon end up
Speaker 1: talking to the general manager maybe a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: after that. Actually, on my way back from Jackson State,
Speaker 1: I had gone to DNS camp. I had ran rout
Speaker 1: some and so I talked to him and so he
Speaker 1: was like yo. So it was mixed signals, mixed messages
Speaker 1: because the owners telling me one thing. Basically, the head
Speaker 1: coach based kind of just kind of stepped back and
Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, now it's general manager owner, right. So
Speaker 1: it was a little kind of just when taken out
Speaker 1: of my sale because the information I got from the
Speaker 1: general manager wasn't with the So I got kind of discouraged.
Speaker 1: Cause at this point, I've been working out about three
Speaker 1: or four weeks, right, I get me. I'm I'm grinding right,
Speaker 1: going to my going to my PT, I'm giving me
Speaker 1: need everything right, and so I talk. So then I'm
Speaker 1: I'm kind of frustrated. I call one of my receiver
Speaker 1: coaches who's now a head coach, and I tell him
Speaker 1: about it, and he could tease like tea. He's like,
Speaker 1: I can tell him your boy. He said, you're ready.
Speaker 1: He said, I know you're serious about it. And I said, yeah.
Speaker 1: I said, they approached me. He approached me about it, right,
Speaker 1: So he said, he said, this is what I do, said,
Speaker 1: this is what I advise you to do. He said,
Speaker 1: reach out back to him and see what he says. Right.
Speaker 1: So I called text the owner and I said, look,
Speaker 1: I said texting and I said, look, I just want
Speaker 1: to know. I said, just give me a call and
Speaker 1: I just talk about this. Man to man, I said,
Speaker 1: because I've been working out training bl bla blah blah.
Speaker 1: Do them want this to be just but nothing? Talk
Speaker 1: to him and he said look, and I said, I
Speaker 1: know you're the owner. And I said, now you got people,
Speaker 1: you know in place to do their job. And I said,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I know they don't
Speaker 1: want to overstep you don't want to overstep your bounds.
Speaker 1: But I said, but you're the owner of the team.
Speaker 1: I said, end of the day, you're the owner. Right.
Speaker 1: So he said, look, Gerald, don't he said, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk to coach. There's not another He said, just keep
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. And that's what I'm banking on. Okay.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, like I said,
Speaker 1: I I get discouraged when I hear people like yourself
Speaker 1: say to what he can't do it back when we
Speaker 1: were talking earlier, you can't say I can't do because
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it done. If you haven't seen me
Speaker 1: do it, you can't just scount me accounting and say
Speaker 1: I can't do it. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: nobody plays the game to get hit. No, no, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But like I said, I get it.
Speaker 1: Your spighty senses. Your spighty senses went away, you know,
Speaker 1: because But but you can, you can get those things
Speaker 1: back in tune, like I said. Like I said, it's
Speaker 1: not it's not an overnight like I've been training, right,
Speaker 1: It ain't like I just been sitting on the couch
Speaker 1: and now I'm just jumping. No, no, no, even right,
Speaker 1: It wasn't for me. It's not about shape, because I
Speaker 1: know you've been training. I've been running. For me, it's
Speaker 1: about being away from the game for over a decade.
Speaker 1: I mean, Tim Tebow got an opportunity, he's been away.
Speaker 1: Granted he made me yet, but back it doesn't. Marrit,
Speaker 1: you been that. I didn't do that. Come on you already,
Speaker 1: you already know better than that. Come on you already.
Speaker 1: I could have paid it tight end and and and
Speaker 1: gave a little bit better effort than than what that was.
Speaker 1: Come on, ain't, I ain't. I'm not busy, You're gonna
Speaker 1: come back. And exactly, that's where I feel like he
Speaker 1: was at a different disabandon and I think that's where
Speaker 1: the hoop was at, was that he's been given preferential
Speaker 1: treatment because it's privileged. That's where that conversation was was
Speaker 1: was that with that? But for me, trust me, I'll
Speaker 1: bet the opportunity. I want to see it. But that's
Speaker 1: where people in your position, I want to see it.
Speaker 1: Now you got you got me convinced that you could
Speaker 1: do it, so I want to see it. I want
Speaker 1: to see it at the end of the day, man,
Speaker 1: Like I said, That's why I said I put in
Speaker 1: the video. I mean the guys that have been been
Speaker 1: helping me, Like I said, I haven't told anybody, Like
Speaker 1: everybody's just been wondering, Okay, why why is these videos? Right? Yeah? Exactly,
Speaker 1: they are, Like I said, they are. The owner approached me.
Speaker 1: You want fifteen Twitter players a game, that's it. Wherever
Speaker 1: I can help a team, trust my knowledge of the
Speaker 1: game is what's gonna separate me. From the others that
Speaker 1: anybody else. And I want to be able to help
Speaker 1: groom some of those guys that you know people say that,
Speaker 1: you know, resemble my play, my build, whatever, or just
Speaker 1: you know, expanding. But you want to go to a
Speaker 1: chance join when you could possibly win. You want to
Speaker 1: go to some teams? Yeah exactly, But I mean, like
Speaker 1: I said, there are some teams. I'm sure that's on
Speaker 1: the custom they may. Like I said, I still feel
Speaker 1: like I'm I could be an X factor. You believe
Speaker 1: you help put the team all the talk I feel
Speaker 1: I do feel like, I Yeah, what really Abdu this
Speaker 1: year last year with the back Buccaneers? What really not
Speaker 1: the you could do that? What? What? What did he
Speaker 1: really do? Look at this and look what is this stats?
Speaker 1: Somebody give me his stats. I think ab and and
Speaker 1: I'm not taking forty three had forty three catches for
Speaker 1: about like five hundred yards I think five four or
Speaker 1: five hundred yards. So you're trying to say that I
Speaker 1: can't do that till on ab thirty is thirty three,
Speaker 1: thirty four. When I was thirty seven, they had twenty
Speaker 1: years uh, guys ten years younger to me. They said
Speaker 1: I was over the Hill, It don't matter what what
Speaker 1: you know the definition of faith? Come on now, you
Speaker 1: just told me while ago. And this is why I
Speaker 1: get discouraged, Because you have a platform, because people hear
Speaker 1: what you have to say. They listen to your voice. Man,
Speaker 1: you want to go out there, man till you've accomplished everything.
Speaker 1: But if I can still do it and I can,
Speaker 1: trust me, man, I this is this is not me
Speaker 1: just man. I might be one of the best athletes
Speaker 1: the world. Problem has never really ever seen. I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna die at I just
Speaker 1: ain't seen you. I know you can play. You can.
Speaker 1: I mean anything you sent your mind toil, you could do.
Speaker 1: That's why you became who you became, because you sent
Speaker 1: your mind says Okay, well I can be better. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I can do that. I can be better. JA Trust me, man,
Speaker 1: you just need to the guys that worked me out,
Speaker 1: they trip out at the things that I've that I've done,
Speaker 1: and they know who I am and they've saw they've seen,
Speaker 1: they've seen my highlights. Do just with my work as dude,
Speaker 1: Trust me, I want to see it now. I hope
Speaker 1: they call you. I hope they call you. I hope
Speaker 1: they call you. That's gonna be the first topic when
Speaker 1: you go back, when you go there, that gonna be
Speaker 1: our first topic the next day. I like the way
Speaker 1: you said that when like now you're starting to speak
Speaker 1: things into existing. I like it. You go back, gonna
Speaker 1: be our birth day. I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1: You're my dog, you always have been all we will
Speaker 1: be bro. You know, I got you. Let's get the
Speaker 1: current receivers. Who is who reminds Julio. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: one receiver body of TiO Julio. I mean obviously you
Speaker 1: got DK Mattcalf. He's young, he's evolving, he's still young.
Speaker 1: You see the potential there. What about A J. Brown?
Speaker 1: I don't think he is fast as you though he's
Speaker 1: coming on too, like yeah, he's definitely making some noise.
Speaker 1: Like I said, These are guys, like I said, but
Speaker 1: he about to take that next step with right exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be consistency with these young guys when
Speaker 1: we start, you know, we get in the discussion about
Speaker 1: these guys that are not even in you know, played
Speaker 1: five years yet they start talking about Hall of Fame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's consistency. That's how you get into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: It's just your it's your body of work. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody always bringing up Odell Beckham Junior, tremendous talent. He
Speaker 1: made that one catch. We're in the age of social
Speaker 1: media when why for everybody knows, people have been China
Speaker 1: probably know who who Odell is, right because but in
Speaker 1: order for him to make those leaps and bound, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be consistency. And as you've seen, like injuries are
Speaker 1: a part of the game, he's had one injury. You
Speaker 1: got a rebound from that. Now let's pick up, pick
Speaker 1: up from where he left out where he was playing
Speaker 1: on with the Giants. So for all these guys that
Speaker 1: you know that that have the Aja Browns, the dj
Speaker 1: K matcalfs Uh, the DeVante Adams, these guys, they are
Speaker 1: on their way. They're paving their way to Canton. Who's
Speaker 1: the best receiver in the game right now? You get
Speaker 1: one the best receiver right now, general manager, general manager
Speaker 1: cover you say, Teo, I'm going with I gotta go
Speaker 1: with Julio. I gotta go with Julio. It's either him
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. I can't no matter what I'm taking the
Speaker 1: trouble stuff that I'm leaving off. I'm leaving it's just
Speaker 1: like the Hall of Fame. I have to leave that off. Okay,
Speaker 1: before all of this stuff happened, Ye, who was in
Speaker 1: Tonio Brown with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, Oh he was special, Okay,
Speaker 1: no question. So that now you see what I'm I take.
Speaker 1: Like I said, the outside stuff I separated. Okay, and
Speaker 1: Tonio Brown before all of this, he was the top,
Speaker 1: one of the top receivers before all this stuff start
Speaker 1: going on. Would you agree? I would? I absolutely agree. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, I mean to do it probably one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty catches. And that's where I and that,
Speaker 1: and that's how I see it. But sometimes he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't realize how good he had at I talked
Speaker 1: to Antonio Brown when all that stuff was going on,
Speaker 1: and I got where you came. I got where he
Speaker 1: was coming from with our conversations. Being a six round pick,
Speaker 1: coming from small college, establishing and building, uh really the
Speaker 1: statue of a person and player and the caliber person
Speaker 1: that that he was becoming. He saw for so many
Speaker 1: years the star treatment that the quarterback was getting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't getting it, but he was doing equal.
Speaker 1: He was just as important. He felt as important. You
Speaker 1: never gonna get the treatment the quarterbacks I said. We
Speaker 1: had conversations, and I said, whatever your issues are, I said, bro,
Speaker 1: you He was like, what should I said? Do you
Speaker 1: know you know being better than I do? Right, you've
Speaker 1: been there for nine years or whatever. You should have
Speaker 1: some type of rapport with him to pull him to
Speaker 1: the side. You say, y'all kids, y'a've had dinners, wives,
Speaker 1: go out of it. I can't tell you you've been there.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't know how to approach him to have that
Speaker 1: conversation because if there was something said slight in a
Speaker 1: the interview that you felt was wrong or whatever, you say, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And that's that was my advice to him, because I mean,
Speaker 1: throwing you one hundred and thirty passes a year, I
Speaker 1: mean he throwing you one hundred and eighty one hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety targets a year, you're getting fifteen hundred and
Speaker 1: seventeen hundred yards. Yeah, but he felt like he was
Speaker 1: he wasn't getting that that that that start treating d O.
Speaker 1: You know you don't get that the quarterbacks there, I
Speaker 1: get I get it, dude. I mean we all go
Speaker 1: through it. I mean I went through it to an extent.
Speaker 1: But I used to see John not practice it. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get to get to a certain
Speaker 1: age and I won't have to practice. Oh well, I
Speaker 1: mean sometimes it happened, sometimes it didn't. T D was
Speaker 1: the same way TV got not didn't have to pray.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it is my brains and stuff like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but see that where where players getting the problem? You
Speaker 1: start judging off of what somebody else is getting or
Speaker 1: what somebody else is doing. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what
Speaker 1: gets you in trouble. For me, I didn't have that problem.
Speaker 1: I like to work. It didn't matter me. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: told you had to tell me not the press, because
Speaker 1: I need to work on my cray like these guys
Speaker 1: not playing in preseason. I needed preseason, right. But that's
Speaker 1: but outside of that, this is the problem that I
Speaker 1: had was how I was being treated by my coaching
Speaker 1: certain situation. You weren't worried about what what Steve got
Speaker 1: treated like this, man, I got TREATD like that. Just
Speaker 1: treat me like I'm a human. Yeah exactly, And I
Speaker 1: feel like yeah, at some point, treat me like the
Speaker 1: star that I am. And I know that there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some some tears. Treat me as you know, as
Speaker 1: guys you know, get better and as they established their careers.
Speaker 1: But I didn't you know they treat man, trust me, bro,
Speaker 1: They treat you like who's a rookie? Trust me man.
Speaker 1: My my coach has even told me stuff man. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Prime TiO racing the prime DK Metcalf whom I saw
Speaker 1: DK runs a big hen but he was Yeah. But
Speaker 1: if you look at something my highlights ro I'm chilling.
Speaker 1: I wasn't known from my bet, but there are some
Speaker 1: highlights where I've come from the backside all the way
Speaker 1: just to spring my guys. Hey keep talking to her
Speaker 1: against New York jets. Hey, I got some jets. Shanning trusted.
Speaker 1: I just looked like this. I try to tell Pi.
Speaker 1: I just looked like this. I can cover some ground.
Speaker 1: I can ask Julio. I can slide. I can slide, Shannon,
Speaker 1: I like now I can slide who They've been talking
Speaker 1: going back and forth on social media? You same boat
Speaker 1: and Tyreek Ye, he need to stop, man, they need
Speaker 1: a drug test. Tyreek Hill forty yards forty yards Gold
Speaker 1: medal versus Super Bowl rings? Now who you fun after that?
Speaker 1: After that statement, I'm surprised he hasn't gotten drug tested
Speaker 1: about five times. I'm surprised he hadn't going to the
Speaker 1: meetia and telling about he didn't got drugs. T tyed
Speaker 1: to getting drug tested because he's on He ain't right
Speaker 1: back in a four not a semit Because you say
Speaker 1: this is suggesting they run seventy meters, Tyreek says forty
Speaker 1: a forty yard dash. You don't think Tyreek and get it.
Speaker 1: He might, it'll be close. I said it'll be close
Speaker 1: in forty, not no. Seven. He can't touch him in
Speaker 1: the sevment. He can cancel Christmas if I don't care
Speaker 1: what he put at that seven yard line. That's seventy
Speaker 1: meters on that line. He can put eighty million. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get that before who same boat get there? No,
Speaker 1: say no, sir, Ree Bibby, Jimmy. You you raised Tyreek
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Is Reek the fast? He's quick,
Speaker 1: He's quick, He's quick and fast. Yeah, he's quick and fast.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody to celebrate like him, No, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I've seen some guys. I was in the league
Speaker 1: when Sam Graddy. Sam Graddy was a silver medal in
Speaker 1: the eighty four Olympics. I was in the league with him.
Speaker 1: Murmur from James Jett was on the relay team to
Speaker 1: win the gold medal in ninety two. So I've seen
Speaker 1: some guys run Dad. People people don't realize how Look
Speaker 1: if you you play d G Darl Green Green run too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I heard, yeah, Dark Green run. Ron Brown was also
Speaker 1: who also was in the Olympics, and I think eighty four,
Speaker 1: I think he wanted the bronze. He might have won
Speaker 1: the bronze medal. I think we might have swept the
Speaker 1: medal medal that year, or he might have been eighty
Speaker 1: eight that he wanted to bron So I've seen some guys,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I've ever seen anybody accelerate
Speaker 1: like you can see it. Yes, when you're watching the game,
Speaker 1: you can see the acceleration. Yes, And there's such a
Speaker 1: distinctive difference in the speed in which he runs that
Speaker 1: it's it's obvious, right because those guys are track guys
Speaker 1: that happen to play football. Tyreka is a football player
Speaker 1: that has legit track speed, and I know that's me.
Speaker 1: I'm back and forth with Marquetes Goodwin and all these
Speaker 1: guys are supposed to be be fast, all of the
Speaker 1: guys quick. He is, he's cat quick and he's he's
Speaker 1: he mean if people don't realize like he like he
Speaker 1: put together he because track guys. They talk about a
Speaker 1: pound for pounds. Yeah a that that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: A pound for pound like receiver, that's him. You talk
Speaker 1: about a pound for pound boxer. That's Tyreek in your
Speaker 1: Did you ever have a did y'all have a scrimmages
Speaker 1: when you were in training camp? Did y'all play, you know,
Speaker 1: scrimmag against other team? Ye? Ye? Did you get I
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw you saw a b getting
Speaker 1: the other day? Did you see the Cleveland situation to
Speaker 1: day Cleveland, Cleveland and the Giants? No, I didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to watch football like that. I don't check
Speaker 1: this out. The practice is over the field clear. They
Speaker 1: come back out there h sterling shepherd on the dB
Speaker 1: and try to throw blows after the practice, so they
Speaker 1: organized up. Ain't don't worry about this here after practice
Speaker 1: because the coach told him he want to help want
Speaker 1: no more, no more fighting during practice. If they hold
Speaker 1: that after practice, so they found a loophole after practice
Speaker 1: to see me till they take it. Look, they just
Speaker 1: maddened into their own hands. I've never heard of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you hear guys like basketball, like you know,
Speaker 1: they get they they go to the showers and they
Speaker 1: catch them going to the bus and they'll you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but did you did you did you have them? Did
Speaker 1: you ever get into it tustl in a in a practice? Na? Na,
Speaker 1: I was. I was probably too tired to do all
Speaker 1: of that. See that's what I said. I said, holdo,
Speaker 1: if you got out the energy of the practice, all
Speaker 1: the energy of the fight, you ain't practicing hard enough.
Speaker 1: S I would man I man, I was trying to
Speaker 1: perfect my craft. I was just trying to be the
Speaker 1: best number one receiver. Wherever I tried to be the best,
Speaker 1: and I my practice happens that I I was always
Speaker 1: I've always been a work work type of guy. My
Speaker 1: work ethic was always there. And then that's why when
Speaker 1: I got to the Niners, everybody saw the similarities and
Speaker 1: Jerry and but Jerry always wanted to be a receiver.
Speaker 1: That was his passion for me. I just kind of adopted,
Speaker 1: you know, and tried to enhance upon what my potentials were,
Speaker 1: and I became better. And like I said, I in
Speaker 1: order to be good at something, you gotta keep, you
Speaker 1: gotta work it. And so that's that's what it was doing.
Speaker 1: I was molding myself to become so like the best
Speaker 1: receiver that I could be, you know, taking everything that
Speaker 1: I uh, you know that I could around me, even
Speaker 1: from other receivers that came free agents. I watched slot guys.
Speaker 1: I watched how they got over, you know, even the
Speaker 1: slow white guy that would get open. I'm like, how
Speaker 1: do you guys getting known? There was something about it
Speaker 1: about the ability that would make them get open. So
Speaker 1: I would watch them. I would watch all different type
Speaker 1: of guys. If you would drive me in the first, second, third,
Speaker 1: foll around, it don't matter. I watched how you ran
Speaker 1: roups and how you got how you got open. Do
Speaker 1: you wish they had social media? Oh? I would be
Speaker 1: a star boy. People already know me, but I would
Speaker 1: be bro. I would be a megastar, like I would
Speaker 1: have millions of followers. No, no, that myself and Chad
Speaker 1: the way that we entertained how we engage with the fans.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that as a you know, to
Speaker 1: be arrogant, but just how we entertain and how we
Speaker 1: we are very charismatic and I understand the entertainment, I
Speaker 1: understand the business other game, and so how we intertwined
Speaker 1: and how we engage with you know, just the fans.
Speaker 1: And now with social media, it would it would be crazy, dude,
Speaker 1: would you be going back and forth? Because a lot
Speaker 1: of times we see guys, a guy on the offense
Speaker 1: or the defense, or we see guys. Would you be
Speaker 1: going back and forth? Man, I would probably have one
Speaker 1: caption for them all weeks. Get your popcorn ready, That's
Speaker 1: all I would probably have to say. Right, And I
Speaker 1: said it. I mean I said it on sideline, like
Speaker 1: if you I never people think that I talked trash.
Speaker 1: And when I tell you like what you always, yes,
Speaker 1: you did. If you think about the highlights that you've seen,
Speaker 1: You've never seen me on the field going back and forth.
Speaker 1: It's always been on the sideline when I'm talking to
Speaker 1: because I know the camera's on me. Right, even when
Speaker 1: we were warming up, right, I remember with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: my mama, shit, Mama, that got these cameras on me.
Speaker 1: I knew what I was, I knew what I was doing,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to engage. I wanted to have fun
Speaker 1: with the game. And that's what I missed really now,
Speaker 1: Like I wish I would have, I would have had
Speaker 1: more fun right with the game, But it was just
Speaker 1: I was so so concentrated on really just become and
Speaker 1: just honeing on just like I had that relentless pursuit
Speaker 1: of just trying to be as good as I wanted.
Speaker 1: Would you be tiktoking? Like nah? I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna TikTok, you got to back it up. Hey, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna TikTok, you got to back it up. Mann.
Speaker 1: You see, they knock the stuff with out of uh.
Speaker 1: That's what made it so Corvette. Corvette got mad. He
Speaker 1: was doing all of that pre game. It was premeditated.
Speaker 1: But then you came back it up. It looks embarrassing.
Speaker 1: It does. So, I mean, like I said, everybody, I
Speaker 1: mean they think they want it. They think they want
Speaker 1: that line. Everybody think they everybody think the number one
Speaker 1: right with number one getting all the coverage, he getting
Speaker 1: the number one dB, the defensive cordin they just stand
Speaker 1: up late at night trying to come up with schemes.
Speaker 1: Through the sky's the way to roll to roll coverageoe
Speaker 1: way and take you away. And you're just getting you
Speaker 1: getting the third dB, you getting the fourth dB, and
Speaker 1: you're putting a yeah, I'm that dog right because you're
Speaker 1: it's it's your numbers are skewed. Yes, they're they're they're
Speaker 1: they're legit, but it's skewed because you have to look
Speaker 1: at how you got those numbers. And then as soon
Speaker 1: as they as soon as you getting Pat p and
Speaker 1: you're getting John here Alexander, and you get Marshawn Lattimore
Speaker 1: and you getting those top dollars, you getting Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 1: you get step On Gilmore all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: sign of a good receiver on a pet like you
Speaker 1: gotta do it with and without. Yeah, and you get
Speaker 1: you gotta do you. You gotta create, make plays, double teams,
Speaker 1: make plays. I remember talking to talking to the A B.
Speaker 1: He was frustrated. I said, AB, you can't be so
Speaker 1: consumed about what he's not doing or the balls are
Speaker 1: not coming your way. I say, bro, make the most
Speaker 1: of the balls to come. That's it. And and That's
Speaker 1: what he started doing because he was he was struggling
Speaker 1: because he felt like they were going away from him.
Speaker 1: They were intentionally going away from him, feeding juju, right,
Speaker 1: and he was open and rightfully so sometimes right, but
Speaker 1: I said, dude, that's something you can't. You gonna lose
Speaker 1: that battle. I said, dude, just make the most of
Speaker 1: when those balls coming your way. And that's what he
Speaker 1: started doing. He started taking a little little going to
Speaker 1: the top, if that's what you gotta do. Though, I
Speaker 1: got the name Big play Shape because once I got
Speaker 1: to Baltimore, I wasn't getting featured like I was in Denver.
Speaker 1: I get one player game to the house I'm going
Speaker 1: and then over time, yeah, the offensive corner. That ain't
Speaker 1: we gotta this this guy more balls? What's your favorite dance?
Speaker 1: The pomp pomp to sign it, the dancing with the cheerleaders,
Speaker 1: get the popcorn. I know I ain't gonna do that.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do that. I ain'ta do that now,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do that. I ain't gonna do ray
Speaker 1: like that. But I had I had fun that week that.
Speaker 1: I had fun that week doing that. But now that
Speaker 1: the best I think the most creative probably was me
Speaker 1: signing the sharp sharp and then impromptu was like the
Speaker 1: popcorn at the back of the I catched the ball
Speaker 1: at the back of the end zone and the fans
Speaker 1: was right there, and I just saw the popcorn. You know,
Speaker 1: you see the picture with me, and then obviously the
Speaker 1: most probably talked about me going to the Star. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean, man, you can you imagine. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you imagine if you put that up, if
Speaker 1: you had Instagram and you had Twitter back, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you that fly got that. He got ten millions. You
Speaker 1: think Kim Kardashian breaking the internet? Man, it wouldn't. It
Speaker 1: would be, it'd be, it'd be something awful. A few
Speaker 1: months back, one of your best friends did celebrity boxing.
Speaker 1: We've seen Nate Robinson do it. You sure he did it? Well? Okay, tifted, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're tipted. Nate Robinson, Chad Ochosinko, You and Ochosinko very
Speaker 1: good friends. Have you thought about doing a celebrity boxing mat, Well,
Speaker 1: let's just talk about his performance. Okay, let's talk about
Speaker 1: his performance. I commended him on what he did right,
Speaker 1: and honestly, like I was, I wasn't nervous too nervous.
Speaker 1: I just didn't want him to go in there and
Speaker 1: not take it serious. Right, Oh yeah, cause you get
Speaker 1: hurt because I know, I know how he is, and
Speaker 1: I know he's a showman, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And he was he was he was going against a
Speaker 1: bare knuckle right fighter. But he's going to get somebody
Speaker 1: to actually fight. You ain't no celebrity, celebrity celebrity right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I you know, when I went to to to
Speaker 1: the arena and I saw him, and as soon as
Speaker 1: I saw him, I'm like, Okay, this is for real, right,
Speaker 1: So I went in there. I went in the arena
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I was about to go ahead,
Speaker 1: about to do this. Yeah, And so I went to
Speaker 1: went to the dressing room and I saw him. He
Speaker 1: was in not hitting the back. I say, oh, this
Speaker 1: is real now I'm talking about it got me kind
Speaker 1: of like oh, So I'm like, man, this is real.
Speaker 1: So when I when I saw him, I said, hey,
Speaker 1: first thing I told I said, yo, respect the sport.
Speaker 1: Owe you out of obvious that way, because I wanted
Speaker 1: When I was driving down there, I'm like, well, what
Speaker 1: can I say? You know what I mean? That he
Speaker 1: hasn't heard from anybody. That was the thing that came
Speaker 1: to my respect the sport. And I'm like, man, I
Speaker 1: remember what Nate Robinson did, Like we saw what boxers
Speaker 1: that has, you know, the beating and everything that that
Speaker 1: even even some of the best boxers, right, make one
Speaker 1: mistake in his cur So obviously you don't know all
Speaker 1: the entry things, but you know, you throw the points,
Speaker 1: get your hands back up. You know a lot of
Speaker 1: people keep the hands down, right. Yeah, So that that
Speaker 1: was the first thing in But I had confidence because
Speaker 1: I know Chad has been training some stuff, but not
Speaker 1: to the point of Okay, he's really getting right. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, that was my first words tune was
Speaker 1: like respect the sport and and so man he did.
Speaker 1: He did a tremendous job. Went four rounds and uh
Speaker 1: he got grazed a little bit, but he got right
Speaker 1: back up. But you know, talking that was the hardest,
Speaker 1: the toughest eight minutes of his life because you got
Speaker 1: to be in tip top, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: People don't understand because when I first got out here,
Speaker 1: I did some you know, did some boxing. I didn't
Speaker 1: spire anything like that, but just hit the mis hitting
Speaker 1: the bag, you know, just it's like a full body work.
Speaker 1: That's like swimming on that because the first thing when
Speaker 1: you get tired, you drop, drop your hands and get
Speaker 1: all of this is exposed. All this right here is exposed.
Speaker 1: And if you got somebody that's in shape that condition,
Speaker 1: oh boy, this is canvas. This is canvas. And they've
Speaker 1: been the paint a picture. You start breathing, You start breathing.
Speaker 1: Have you start breathing out your mouth, your mouth open,
Speaker 1: and then the jaws loose and then boom there you go,
Speaker 1: face down. Right. But I get, I get, he did great.
Speaker 1: I'll talk about you what you gonna do? So so
Speaker 1: I think maybe a week or so after that, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm at home. I get a text. It's about I'm
Speaker 1: in Florida about about eleven o'clock at night. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall. Yeah, the one that wants to race me too.
Speaker 1: So he texts me out of the blue and he goes, yo, dude,
Speaker 1: you want to fight me for two million dollars? And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking just joking, right, So my response is because
Speaker 1: he already don't backed out of two races, right, And
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not really taking him serious at this point.
Speaker 1: So my response to him, Shannon, I said, I'll knock
Speaker 1: your ass out for an extra two millions. And I
Speaker 1: was that serious based on the other stuff because he
Speaker 1: didn't had me training the race and all this other
Speaker 1: stuff and keep keep backing out, putting money up this
Speaker 1: and that and the other. So that was my response,
Speaker 1: broad knocked your ass out for extra two man. He go, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm serious. I'm sitting here, I'm talking with the CEO
Speaker 1: of trailer and he was like, I said, he said,
Speaker 1: you want to do it or not? I said, I said,
Speaker 1: you know why I am asked you if you're serious,
Speaker 1: I said, just let me know. He so he said,
Speaker 1: we're thinking about doing it in November. So long story short,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard from him since. But you don't be
Speaker 1: Mars box real though. But I'm not finna just trained.
Speaker 1: I've already been training and doing all this other stuff
Speaker 1: and he ain't. But you gotta go get a real
Speaker 1: boxing trainer. The people that trained chat they because that's
Speaker 1: the first thing that people would ask. They were asking
Speaker 1: me when I would ringside, I had people asking tell
Speaker 1: you next, you next? And then I had one guy
Speaker 1: that's like, Yo, this is gonna be fun. There's like, uh,
Speaker 1: if you had to fight it, and who who would you? Who?
Speaker 1: Who would you? Who would you? Who would you want
Speaker 1: to fight? I said Donovan McNabb And I'm dead serious, Shannon,
Speaker 1: I'll knock him out because it'd be so much so
Speaker 1: I were going there, I know I'll be controlled, It'll
Speaker 1: be controlled, angry. I'd be like a I'd be like
Speaker 1: a Navy seal. I'd be a navor seer because you
Speaker 1: know they cool coming under all conditions. But there would
Speaker 1: be a fire burning inside of me. So you were
Speaker 1: literally trying to knock the man out clean. I knocked
Speaker 1: chunky suit from him from from from two thousand folk.
Speaker 1: Trust me, all the hard ache, all the hard ache
Speaker 1: and all the stuff that I don't went through being
Speaker 1: a nice and it's come me trying to be the
Speaker 1: nice guy. That's me being a nice. I know you,
Speaker 1: and I know you Dad, and serious, Shannon, I promise
Speaker 1: you and I know like going in there, you can't
Speaker 1: just go in there just reckons, Brandon, No, No, you
Speaker 1: gotta be you gotta be strategic. Yes, you gotta be strategic.
Speaker 1: Everything walk into something. But trust me, bleeve me you
Speaker 1: that would be my intent. Man, you're gonna take you
Speaker 1: take this seriously when you play football, absolutely, because I
Speaker 1: didn't even football really was was a hobby, right. Just
Speaker 1: think if I would have prioritized that, if that was
Speaker 1: if I was like Jerry growing up and wanting to
Speaker 1: play play football. This like, yeah, give me the proper training.
Speaker 1: Like I talked to it. You know somebody this his training.
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, if you're weal to serious, just let
Speaker 1: me know. So you know, I said, it hasn't come up.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to just do no unnecessary. But I
Speaker 1: made you start taking some lessons just to kind of familiarize,
Speaker 1: familiarize myself because somebody like me, bro, i'd be like
Speaker 1: Roy Jones. I'd be like Roy Jones. I'd be entertaining.
Speaker 1: But you gotta be smarter than that too. At the
Speaker 1: same absolutely, trust me, I trust. But like I said,
Speaker 1: we have about somebody, somebody you haven't gotten there yet.
Speaker 1: Somebody gonna go actually go go and go and proposition
Speaker 1: you about about fight you No, no, no, I mean
Speaker 1: they have it. It's been some people zab Julians and
Speaker 1: other guy didn't reaching my DM and you know I'm
Speaker 1: doing some reoxes, I know, but like I said, it's
Speaker 1: been like celebrities stuff, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: I just haven't really like I said, it wasn't really
Speaker 1: on my radar at that time. Like I said, Like
Speaker 1: I said, it wasn't really about the money, like I said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, but it's not really you fight
Speaker 1: for two million, yeah, like yeah, so that was a
Speaker 1: number that that how much how much you to take
Speaker 1: you to fight Downovan Canna Party median, some crafts, Canna
Speaker 1: Party Media, and some crackers and a bottle of eighty
Speaker 1: one on the way up. Eighty one on the way happened.
Speaker 1: It started off so well in San France, and you
Speaker 1: were going to be the heir apparent. You were gonna
Speaker 1: be what I wasn't gonna be the Aaron parent. They
Speaker 1: were looking at JJ Stokes right well, yeah, when they
Speaker 1: drafted him number one over the first first round drafting,
Speaker 1: right right. But when you look at it and you
Speaker 1: you have Steve, you go to Jeff. Obviously, Jeff is
Speaker 1: not Steve Young Steve Stevens of the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: but Jeff was a very good quarterback. Jeff made several
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls. What happened in San Francisco? How did it?
Speaker 1: How did it? How did it go so bad so quickly?
Speaker 1: You're supposed that's been fifteen there. I think the coaching
Speaker 1: staff there when when I when I say coaching staff,
Speaker 1: I'm talking many, probably coach Marucci. They saw probably the
Speaker 1: fast evolve I guess evolvement of my game. I became
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a personality charismatic because the
Speaker 1: first few few years I was just learning the position quiet, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was just trying to
Speaker 1: find my way. And then you know, confidence is everything,
Speaker 1: and so and then, like I said, you know, I
Speaker 1: had this defense mechanism, you know, I chip on my shoulder,
Speaker 1: you know, in a sense. And then you know, things
Speaker 1: just started unfolding. You know. I felt like I was
Speaker 1: being treatedly different, treated differently by coach Marriage versus some
Speaker 1: other coaches. That were some things that happened, you know,
Speaker 1: during you know, during my time there that I had
Speaker 1: to go and I address it to Bill Wals because
Speaker 1: of I felt like I was just being treated differently,
Speaker 1: and uh that's and I think that's where things kind
Speaker 1: of just fell off, kind of fell off the tracks
Speaker 1: there you had a personality. But because Jerry's there, Steve's there,
Speaker 1: You're trying to find your footing, trying to find your knit.
Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, Okay, I belong here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not only do I belong here, I'm I can beat
Speaker 1: a man here. So now you have the confidence. So
Speaker 1: now that I can really show the real Teo, I
Speaker 1: don't have to be quiet. I don't have to be
Speaker 1: you know, aloof, I can let people see my real
Speaker 1: person that let everybody see who the real terroll Owen's is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that was that was how people saw me and
Speaker 1: our I was characterized. I was described. You know, when
Speaker 1: media talked to my teammates, a lot of them said
Speaker 1: I was quiet, I was aloof right, I was stand offish,
Speaker 1: and that wasn't that was the farthest from the truth,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, That's how I grew up, you know,
Speaker 1: in a household where you know, I was raised by
Speaker 1: my grandmother, didn't really get to interact. So it's sort
Speaker 1: of like I was socially awkward in a bit, right.
Speaker 1: But if you ask my teammates, you know, with every team,
Speaker 1: they would tell you I'm I'm a joy to be around.
Speaker 1: I like to have fun. What they saw, what what
Speaker 1: the teo in the locker room was different than the
Speaker 1: teo that the media got an opportunity to see. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I think you know when the media came and
Speaker 1: they asked certain individuals and then maybe some people didn't
Speaker 1: like me, right, and they gave them a different version
Speaker 1: of what somebody else would say, and they took that
Speaker 1: in their ran with it. Why didn't why didn't they ask?
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to believe that in the locker room.
Speaker 1: But fifty three guys, only the guys that ever got
Speaker 1: interviewed were the guys that didn't dislike you, that dislike you,
Speaker 1: Why weren't some of the guys that like It's hard
Speaker 1: for me to believe that. So in every locker room
Speaker 1: this man went in, nobody liked it right exactly, because
Speaker 1: all I hear about is the guys that did well.
Speaker 1: He did this and he did that well. I mean
Speaker 1: I became sort of like sort of like a villain
Speaker 1: in the sense it became a negative thing when it
Speaker 1: came to Tera Owens. And I think if you look
Speaker 1: at you know, abously being inducted into the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: those were some of the things that they kept bringing
Speaker 1: up was character issues. But I'm not I'm not a
Speaker 1: bad person, but the character issues was never an issue before.
Speaker 1: Exactly do you realize how how special you gotta be?
Speaker 1: When people were willing to change the buy laws, you
Speaker 1: knew realized they wrote new rules that what happened in
Speaker 1: the locker room, what happened in the meeting rooms, what
Speaker 1: happened on the sidelines could be you choose to judge
Speaker 1: a player going into the Hall of Fame. Do you
Speaker 1: realize that you did that? That's the tr rules? Hey, man,
Speaker 1: Like I said, Guy, I put us all here for
Speaker 1: a reason. Again, I've been mean even that that situation.
Speaker 1: You think about the horse collarude, I was part of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think about the touchdown touchdown celebrations, I was part
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. I have no idea. I can't put
Speaker 1: my finger a pulse on why that is. But those
Speaker 1: were the cards that I was dealt, and I honestly,
Speaker 1: I felt I felt unfairly treated. I felt unfairly criticized
Speaker 1: that time because of how certain meetings they add certain
Speaker 1: people and then they go on the air and every
Speaker 1: outlet picked it up and then without even knowing me,
Speaker 1: they're just going by what everybody else it says saying,
Speaker 1: and so they've created this narrative and again Skip started it,
Speaker 1: and then it kind of just trickled, you know, it
Speaker 1: was a trickle down effect. What happened with it? Seems
Speaker 1: like you said, coach Mary uture you felt that he
Speaker 1: started to treat you differently. But I think your position
Speaker 1: coach Greg now was your first position. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he was. I think he was a quarterback coach or something. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't He wasn't it. George Stewart was George
Speaker 1: Stewart and prior to that, it was Larry Kurtzy. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: like I said, that were things man, that I witnessed
Speaker 1: and and and like I said, when you talk about
Speaker 1: her now, it's it's we've gone through a year of
Speaker 1: you know, systemic racism and things of that nature. You know,
Speaker 1: just as as a country as a whole, we witnessed things.
Speaker 1: But I can definitely go back and say now, what
Speaker 1: I experienced obviously it was systemic racism, and I'm not
Speaker 1: afraid to say it. I'll say it to him. But
Speaker 1: I definitely always treated, you know, definitely differently than absolutely,
Speaker 1: So what about Greg now because they made some disagreements. Again,
Speaker 1: that's just like with anybody, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: any coach, any player, There's gonna be argument, there gonna
Speaker 1: be disagreements. Right, But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: Jerry's cursed out or didn't worse than what I did.
Speaker 1: But like I said, when when it came to me
Speaker 1: because it picked up negativity, right, did you try to
Speaker 1: sit down and talk to the moves did you say,
Speaker 1: mood this that's what everybody called it, right, mooch, Steve Mooch.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm feeling. I'm feeling that I'm being
Speaker 1: singled out. I feel like if I do something, you
Speaker 1: harp on it, whereas someone else does something, you let
Speaker 1: it slide. It was the things that I experienced. It
Speaker 1: was obvious to the point that I went to Bill
Speaker 1: Wals So you went above Mooch right, because I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was going to get anywhere. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously there were fines and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: You have a fine coach. Again, I would like said,
Speaker 1: even with those I was treated different as somebody else
Speaker 1: would would be. Given the benefit of buying the team
Speaker 1: lunch or taking the fine. Right. He didn't give me
Speaker 1: that option, right, I just got the fine. Right. And
Speaker 1: so there are things that I mean, from the from
Speaker 1: the touchdown celebration with me going to to the Dallas Star. Right,
Speaker 1: there was no there was no rule against what I
Speaker 1: did Monday, Monday morning quarterback. That's all that was going
Speaker 1: on throughout the course of the week. They were talking
Speaker 1: about that. Right. The league didn't suspend me. He was
Speaker 1: pressured by the media to suspend me. Hold on, you
Speaker 1: got suspended for that, yes, sir? What about it? So
Speaker 1: what did the union say? They can't that that's that
Speaker 1: wasn't a rule for that. They can't just suspend, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I got me guess conduct detrimental, bro, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: All I know is I got suspended and then later
Speaker 1: and then I found this out years later. I went
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, right, and I don't do politics. So he
Speaker 1: tried to play the political, you know, role, and so
Speaker 1: he reached out. I mean, he talked to my coach
Speaker 1: and I found this out years later. Uh. He wanted
Speaker 1: to try to make it look like he and I
Speaker 1: was on good terms with the media that he wanted
Speaker 1: me to fly back from Atlanta and go to a
Speaker 1: Sino's a Sharks game and be in the stands and
Speaker 1: have the media you know, uh, you know, paying the
Speaker 1: car him together. Yeah, like like we were cool. And Mike, Mike,
Speaker 1: my my coach is like he was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: calling him because I know TiO is not gonna go.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna go for that. No, And so these
Speaker 1: are little things like that, man that they didn't really
Speaker 1: set well with me. Just like I said, I went
Speaker 1: to the to the middle of the Star. When I
Speaker 1: discussed it with him or when he gave his uh
Speaker 1: his feedback on what happened or his assessment of what happened,
Speaker 1: he said, he didn't even see me go to the Star.
Speaker 1: He has a bird's eye view, just like all the coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said he had. He said he didn't even see
Speaker 1: me go to the Star. So these are sort of
Speaker 1: things man, like I said that I had to go
Speaker 1: through and it is what it. Even with my contract,
Speaker 1: I had been there longer than Jeff Garcia, you know,
Speaker 1: knock on him. I feel like I was a second,
Speaker 1: like I said, the second coming of Jerry Rice. I
Speaker 1: was looked upon to to fill his shoes. They dragged
Speaker 1: my contract negotiation, shanning out the entire summer, the entire summer.
Speaker 1: Jeff Garcia plays maybe I think two years backing up,
Speaker 1: Steve young plays a couple of years. His contract years
Speaker 1: is up. Took them two weeks, two weeks and they
Speaker 1: got this deal done. So for me, it let me
Speaker 1: know and it showed, Okay, he's more important than me
Speaker 1: when they don't value as much as you think exactly
Speaker 1: I'm taking I'm taking his balls three four five yards
Speaker 1: and taking it to the house. He's not throwing those
Speaker 1: sixty seventy yard bombs, right, But that's part of my job.
Speaker 1: I get that. But as you said, I felt like
Speaker 1: I was being under value and even like my first
Speaker 1: contract that I had. I mean, you know, players don't
Speaker 1: get involved with players contracts, this, not and the other.
Speaker 1: I had a small time agent at the time, and
Speaker 1: when we were trying, when we were going through the negotiations,
Speaker 1: he came out and said that I wasn't worth the
Speaker 1: money that we were asking for. Who said that, mooch,
Speaker 1: Yes sir, yes, sir. These are these are things that
Speaker 1: I experienced. So when I played throughout the course of
Speaker 1: the year, Steve Younger tell you, I played with a chill.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't because I know I was drafted a
Speaker 1: certain way, or it was because how I was being
Speaker 1: treated right and me growing up in the South, my
Speaker 1: grandmother she told me these are things that I was
Speaker 1: going to experience. I didn't know I was going to
Speaker 1: experience experience it in the in the National Football League,
Speaker 1: but just in life in general, and then just as
Speaker 1: a black man, and so to see it. I didn't
Speaker 1: speak on it. I didn't say on it. I just
Speaker 1: put my head down the chain and I worked every
Speaker 1: day and I let my play do the speaks for you.
Speaker 1: So even when Skip Bayless and everybody else jumped on
Speaker 1: the band wagons of all the things that happened throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the season, it was a topic throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the week, I knew all I had
Speaker 1: to do is play because I wasn't gonna allow anything
Speaker 1: that they say to deter or distract what I was
Speaker 1: supposed to do, not from me from my personal standpoint,
Speaker 1: because I needed to produce. And then I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do anything to hinder or the you know,
Speaker 1: the progression of what we're supposed to do. In the
Speaker 1: offense and as a team. How did you and Jeff's
Speaker 1: because you and Jeff was arguably the best tab a
Speaker 1: quarterback wide receiver combo in the NFL, how did that
Speaker 1: go so wrong so quick? I did an interview, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, like I said, I look back, and
Speaker 1: I obviously I should have you know, chosen some other words,
Speaker 1: and you know that kind of just you know, I
Speaker 1: guess made things, I mean kind of fractured it a bit.
Speaker 1: But I didn't, like I said, when I did the interview,
Speaker 1: I didn't really think about ramifications of of of what
Speaker 1: I was saying. But I said, you know, with Jeff,
Speaker 1: like we catered our offense around his strengths. Right. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a rollout type of guy. He's a tough move right,
Speaker 1: He's a tough, gritty guy. He's not your you know,
Speaker 1: typical prototypical drop back in the pocket passer gonna you know,
Speaker 1: he's not your Tom Brady, your your pay Manning. He's
Speaker 1: not that type of guy, right, But our offense was
Speaker 1: tailored around his ability and I and I adapted my
Speaker 1: game around what he had to do. You know, you're
Speaker 1: familiar with the West Coast off you talk about the
Speaker 1: scramble drill. I knew every I knew every position. Yeah, everybody.
Speaker 1: If you look at some of my highlights. Of course,
Speaker 1: you script plays, they don't go as playing all the time.
Speaker 1: You got to improvise. You was ex receiver, I was
Speaker 1: ex Z Zebra eagle became. I became that much more
Speaker 1: valuable because they started They started me at one position.
Speaker 1: I learned that and then probably like you know, a
Speaker 1: few weeks in the camp, you know, coach like, oh
Speaker 1: well you need to learn it. Do it made me
Speaker 1: nervous because I'm just I'm I'm just I'm just learning
Speaker 1: this position, and they're like, yo, you need to learn Z.
Speaker 1: But then, like I said, I'm a visual person and coach,
Speaker 1: coach Stewart, he'll tell you I'm crazy visual. So that's
Speaker 1: when I started learning how to really incorporated knowing what
Speaker 1: to do with the plays. I'm the same way, let
Speaker 1: me see somebody to do it and you explaining it
Speaker 1: to him. I need to see something. I need to
Speaker 1: actually see somebody do it. Okay, So that's what it is.
Speaker 1: So that's what okay, Z spot, that's what you want.
Speaker 1: Excellent X comeback, X dig X drive Okay, then you
Speaker 1: can believe it. Just remember what we just talked about.
Speaker 1: You got to see it to believe it. Right, you
Speaker 1: move on contracts up you're supposed to. Your agent is
Speaker 1: supposed to file the paperwork to make you free. An
Speaker 1: I'm mad. I'm still mad that your agent is supposed
Speaker 1: to file the paperwork so you become a free agent.
Speaker 1: He drops the ball. The Ravens says, Okay, for whatever.
Speaker 1: I think the Ravens and San Francisco work out some
Speaker 1: kind of deal, But you don't want to go to Baltimore, right,
Speaker 1: And it had nothing to do with Baltimore itself the team.
Speaker 1: I just felt like where I was in my career,
Speaker 1: the height of my career, I couldn't do what I
Speaker 1: I was gonna do should be doing with the inexperienced quarterback.
Speaker 1: So you've experience he wasn't very good. But anyway, but
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's but that's how I am. Yea.
Speaker 1: You know, people would think that I'm I would I
Speaker 1: would down talk somebody, but that's not who I am. Okay.
Speaker 1: I just looked at as I need to find somebody
Speaker 1: to compliment my skill set, and I didn't see that
Speaker 1: in a young you know, young young guy like Cal Bowler.
Speaker 1: What happened with so? How did your agent drop how
Speaker 1: did he not go ahead and just file the paperwork
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the exactly and why did he
Speaker 1: get to the last I have no trust me, I
Speaker 1: have no idea. And he tried to blame He tried
Speaker 1: to blame it on the guys, the people at the NFLPA,
Speaker 1: And I end up talking to Jane up show. God
Speaker 1: rested so and I talked to him. I remember when
Speaker 1: I remember exactly why I was when I talked to him.
Speaker 1: I was off of one of the exits in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: in the in the parking lot where I get my
Speaker 1: hair cut, and I was on the phone with him,
Speaker 1: and he broke it down as to how my agent
Speaker 1: messed it up, dropped the ball yep. And then my
Speaker 1: agent was trying to basically make me think it was
Speaker 1: their fault. And then, you know, that was when facts
Speaker 1: was you know, it wasn't no docu sign or anything
Speaker 1: like that. That's when you had everything was fact right.
Speaker 1: So he tried to blame it on you know, it
Speaker 1: didn't go through and all this blah blah. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like you said, I knew
Speaker 1: I wanted to become an unrestricted free agent so I
Speaker 1: could test the market. Correct. He should have done that
Speaker 1: immediately next day after the season, right, And so I, again,
Speaker 1: I was a young kid. I wasn't even really thinking
Speaker 1: right like that. And that's where again, as we as athletes,
Speaker 1: we have people we hired to really take care of
Speaker 1: some of those things that we, honestly we may not
Speaker 1: be aware of thinking of on an everyday basis. Okay,
Speaker 1: somehow you get that worked out. You end up in
Speaker 1: filling which seems like a perfect situation because they got
Speaker 1: approving quarterback. They they've been going to the NFC Championship
Speaker 1: game and they can't quite get over the hook. And
Speaker 1: at the time, I said, you know what, I believe
Speaker 1: this guy is the missing peace. I believe this is
Speaker 1: the guy that can finally get them over the huck. Well,
Speaker 1: I made the Pro Bowl, and you know if you don't,
Speaker 1: I mean, you get to the NFC Championship, you don't
Speaker 1: make it. The losing team coaches the Pro Bowl, right,
Speaker 1: So I made the Pro Bowl those cover years. So
Speaker 1: that's how I got to play and meet some of
Speaker 1: the staff of the philadephy and so yep, yep. So
Speaker 1: that's where again the idea of me possibly playing for
Speaker 1: there for that team. And plus they had the West
Speaker 1: Coast offense, considering you had spent seven years in the
Speaker 1: West Coast offense. So this was a match made. This
Speaker 1: was perfect, man. It was from day one, from the
Speaker 1: first preseason game we played the Ravens and guess guess
Speaker 1: how many yards My first touchdown went went forth eighty
Speaker 1: one the first play. So you do that, you know what?
Speaker 1: This is a sign God, you speaking to me. Ain't
Speaker 1: no way it's supposed to happen. I had no idea
Speaker 1: until I years later and I'm listening, I'm watching the highlights,
Speaker 1: and and the announcer was like, man, this you know
Speaker 1: he calls it, you know, cause the commentator he's he's
Speaker 1: breaking it down. I'm I'm I go out wide. I
Speaker 1: think it's like covered to I try to disguise it. Man,
Speaker 1: I release, I think a releasing side. Get back outside.
Speaker 1: They weren't you supposed to let me do that? Right? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: no no no right once you once you go inside,
Speaker 1: they gotta ride you down. But because of the dynamic
Speaker 1: talent that I am, you know, I made somehow I
Speaker 1: made it work. And I'm listening to the to the
Speaker 1: to the to the announcer and he's like, man, this
Speaker 1: is a touchdown. He goes right down to to the
Speaker 1: jersey number and it was like eighty one. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: that's crazy because he had three touchdown. That was the
Speaker 1: first game down. Well that was the preseason game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the regular first regular season game against the Giants, I
Speaker 1: had three touchdowns. So everything, you're like, oh man, this
Speaker 1: stay going well, this stay going well? Man, it did
Speaker 1: what happened? That was one game I can't I think
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we were playing the Giants or
Speaker 1: or may have been the Browns, but we had one
Speaker 1: particular play or your game playing and you scripted throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the week. I ran some route, like
Speaker 1: a bench route, go in, get the safety, the bite
Speaker 1: or the corner bite, and I'm dude, it's wide open
Speaker 1: every day in practice. I mean even when we didn't
Speaker 1: have to script it, it was wide open. So we
Speaker 1: get in the game, this is my play. I run
Speaker 1: the route to a t just like we've been running
Speaker 1: all week and practice scripted d dB bite like this
Speaker 1: sh left him. I'm wide open I'm looking back. I'm looking,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the ball. I'm like, I noticed a touchdown.
Speaker 1: He goes elsewhere with the football. So I get back
Speaker 1: in the hoddle. I go back, I get back, go
Speaker 1: back to the hoddle. And I said, I said yo,
Speaker 1: I said, I was open. I said, I said, what happened?
Speaker 1: He told me to shut the fuck up. Hold on, bro,
Speaker 1: you practice this play all week, Yes, sir, there's nothing
Speaker 1: like you practicing the play. And it happens. It's like
Speaker 1: you drew it up and you they like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: about to get this money, and all you said, hey,
Speaker 1: BRO said, I was open, I said what happened? And
Speaker 1: he told me to shut the f up seriously. And
Speaker 1: so I didn't say anything because coming from San Francisco,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to make no yep. I didn't you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I already know what time it was.
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to create no no animizy, no
Speaker 1: tension right there on the fields. And we came off
Speaker 1: that series. I went straight to my coach and I'm like,
Speaker 1: y'all said, because I didn't, I didn't want to blame anybody.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what happened. Let me see what
Speaker 1: happened before I make any excuse, right, So I asked coach, like,
Speaker 1: I said, what happened? Did he get flushed out of
Speaker 1: the pockets? I'm thinking that's okay. He looked at me,
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't know, he goes terrible. I don't
Speaker 1: know why he didn't throw it. He just didn't throw it, Okay.
Speaker 1: So I left it. I left it at that. Then
Speaker 1: you go, did you go to him? And like c
Speaker 1: Max and I waited to after the game. Okay. And
Speaker 1: so again me knowing everything that it transpired, how you
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna be looked at it. I'm on a
Speaker 1: new team. I wasn't trying to roughle the feathers. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be the consummate teammate. So I let the
Speaker 1: I let that. Everybody kind of just filter out of
Speaker 1: the locker room and it was like a few guys
Speaker 1: left whatever. And I just went to him and I
Speaker 1: just said, look, bro, I said, I don't appreciate you,
Speaker 1: you know, cussing at me. I said, Bro, I'm a
Speaker 1: grown man, right, And I said from here home, man,
Speaker 1: don't don't talk to me that way. Oh, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be a problem, okay. And so I
Speaker 1: felt like me addressing that in that way was a
Speaker 1: mature terrible yeah, because I could have went off on
Speaker 1: the football and out there in the middle of the
Speaker 1: field and when we got to the sideline, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to do that. Now, I'm trying to turn
Speaker 1: over a new league, okay. So when you did, I
Speaker 1: just told him said, look, bro, don't don't don't address
Speaker 1: me that way, right, I said, We're grown man, I
Speaker 1: got kids, Like that's that's not gonna happen, okay. And
Speaker 1: so from there, I think that's where the he when
Speaker 1: you said that, bro, don't address me like that. Hey,
Speaker 1: I don't show. I don't know. I honestly, I was
Speaker 1: so mad. I don't know what he said or if
Speaker 1: he said anything that really could have made a difference.
Speaker 1: At that point, I just didn't like the the tone.
Speaker 1: Number one, and I for real, the way he came
Speaker 1: at me, my team and they was in the hotel.
Speaker 1: It was it was file right, it was fire, and
Speaker 1: so things just kind of just fell off, fell fell
Speaker 1: off the tracks, you know, from that point on, after
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here listening to you talk that was the
Speaker 1: one that was the one thing that I had. I
Speaker 1: don't mind being coached, but you can't curse me. Man See,
Speaker 1: I won't let you see anything to me that my
Speaker 1: grandmother couldn't say. And she gave me everything but life.
Speaker 1: She raised me. So if she wouldn't say that to me,
Speaker 1: I'm not you can't coach me. Coach me hard, say something,
Speaker 1: what do you see? What do you see? We want
Speaker 1: repractice that play. If I made a mistake, John say hey,
Speaker 1: T I need you to do better, but don't curse me. No.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just no curse, bro, It was it was demonstrative,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was just I didn't
Speaker 1: trust me. It struck a chord with me, and like
Speaker 1: I said, I never forget it. And so, like I said,
Speaker 1: I just I just felt like I needed to do
Speaker 1: that because if I just let that slide, I just
Speaker 1: felt like he was going to just continue to think
Speaker 1: that it was okay, right, And so my grandmother just
Speaker 1: don't never let nobody run over you. No, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's how that's how they that's how
Speaker 1: they say it. Don't let nobody run over you, because
Speaker 1: if you do that they're gonna continue. And so for me,
Speaker 1: I just addressed it and left it at that. And
Speaker 1: so maybe he didn't like what I had to say,
Speaker 1: but I, like I said, I didn't allow that to
Speaker 1: really deter anything that we did on the football field.
Speaker 1: And we went out in the football field, bro, I
Speaker 1: just played, you know, and sometimes you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: I had, I was pissed, but then I just like
Speaker 1: I said, I just did what I was supposed to do.
Speaker 1: So that game, that was early in the season, do
Speaker 1: you believe that was the beginning of the end of
Speaker 1: your relationship? What do you think? Probably because right because
Speaker 1: you know, as I because I I still start I was.
Speaker 1: I looked back people tell me, now, I played in
Speaker 1: twenty one games in Philly. I scored twenty touchdowns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty one touchdown I mean twenty touchdowns, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: so I looked back on it and the way that
Speaker 1: I was bawling, and the way the city embraced me.
Speaker 1: And you remember, like when he got drafted, it was
Speaker 1: either him or Ricky Williams, Right, they booed him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I think he had some
Speaker 1: resentment because when I started bawling from week one when
Speaker 1: I scored three touchdowns against They were going crazy when
Speaker 1: they five out that they had the Eagles assigned you.
Speaker 1: The fans were going crazy. They the entire stadium, t Yo,
Speaker 1: t yo, t yo. It was. It was like something
Speaker 1: I had never experienced. Everything probably that I wish I
Speaker 1: could have done in high school or college, I was
Speaker 1: experiencing as a pro right I was, I was a star.
Speaker 1: I witnessed that on the sidelines in high school with
Speaker 1: other guys. They were the start of the school, started
Speaker 1: a team. In college, it was the same way I
Speaker 1: worked my butt offshin and to become TiO right. And
Speaker 1: so I can't imagine what he felt or I guess
Speaker 1: maybe he had something against the city. But to have
Speaker 1: seventy plus thousand and sixty seven plus thousand chanting, you know,
Speaker 1: when you do something big, I have a big play, right,
Speaker 1: and you're not. I guess he didn't feel like he was,
Speaker 1: you know, being recognized as such. And me coming there
Speaker 1: my first year and really making a difference, and then
Speaker 1: we get you know, okay, I got hurt late in
Speaker 1: the season December, and then the thing was with the media,
Speaker 1: was was I going to be ready to play in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, right him being the quarterback, the mouthpiece
Speaker 1: to the leader, the captain another team, he had to
Speaker 1: face those questions the rest pretty much leading into the playoffs,
Speaker 1: playoffs or what have you. And he basically said, we
Speaker 1: don't need Teo to win. We've won games but with
Speaker 1: with it without him, And so I didn't really take
Speaker 1: any slight to it, but I heard it right, and
Speaker 1: so I guess he got it was necessary slight. He
Speaker 1: could have said, look, we want TiO to get back
Speaker 1: as soon as he possibly can. As a quarterback of
Speaker 1: the leader team, you say the right thing. You be
Speaker 1: politically correct, regardless of how you feel. You be PC
Speaker 1: in that boat. Right, you can address it, you know
Speaker 1: how to address it. And so again that was something
Speaker 1: that that kind of loomed. And and then there was
Speaker 1: a contract situation after that. You know, he spoke highly
Speaker 1: of Brian Westbrook's contract, basically endorsing that the team should
Speaker 1: should should sign him to an extension. But when it
Speaker 1: came to me, nothing, radio silent, nothing. So that's when
Speaker 1: I knew that it was it was something personal. It
Speaker 1: wasn't anything personal with me against him, because I'm not
Speaker 1: that person. I'm not I've never been that type of person.
Speaker 1: But you are the type of person if somebody crossed you,
Speaker 1: you're done. Oh yeah, yeah for sure, yeah yeah, but
Speaker 1: if yeah. But I'm not the type of I'm not no,
Speaker 1: no jealous type of person. I'm not a hater. I'm
Speaker 1: not no gossiper. I'm not going to talk bad about
Speaker 1: another person because I may think he's better than me
Speaker 1: or whatever. I've never been that type of person. I've
Speaker 1: been my own person, right because I knew my path
Speaker 1: and my journey to be, to be who I became with.
Speaker 1: Then what happened with the fight situation? To feel it with?
Speaker 1: Who juggles or they brought him on as like I
Speaker 1: guess a team ambassador or something like that. I was rehabbing,
Speaker 1: uh an injury of or what have you? So him
Speaker 1: and done them was buddy buddy, right, they were good friends.
Speaker 1: So I guess obviously when you bought he had came,
Speaker 1: didn't he had come back from Jacksonville. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: they brought they brought him back, brought him back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so he was sort of like the team I
Speaker 1: guess ambassador, what have you? And so obviously I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like the black sheep you know what I mean. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm like the black sheep. So you know, him and
Speaker 1: him and down them with their friends, and he would
Speaker 1: not We've talked, you know, disgusted or what have you.
Speaker 1: And and again I'm pretty sure he wished he could
Speaker 1: have done something differently and thought things through. I maybe
Speaker 1: even talk to me, right, But obviously, like I said,
Speaker 1: you know him and DuMond being friends, and obviously, like
Speaker 1: I said, dumb didn't really didn't like me or at
Speaker 1: at you know, at one point then it all became
Speaker 1: personal and it's trying to do things to antagonize me,
Speaker 1: this not and the other end. I remember I was
Speaker 1: in the U, I was doing some treatment. I was
Speaker 1: down in the hydroworks pool or what have you. And man,
Speaker 1: I'm not no punk bro, I'm not no punking. So
Speaker 1: he came in and he had tried he said something
Speaker 1: and the door was cracked and I didn't like it,
Speaker 1: and I asked him to raise me up out of
Speaker 1: the hydroworks pool. I went in. That went in. I
Speaker 1: kind of dried off a little bit when it got
Speaker 1: some stuff, and so we we kind of got to
Speaker 1: tuss on a little bit, and Jeremy Trotter, uh kind
Speaker 1: of got in between us and tried to try to
Speaker 1: separate us. And uh, I, man, I went through Trotter
Speaker 1: to get that. To get at here, I was told
Speaker 1: they say, you almost seemed possessed. Man, Man, I I
Speaker 1: just I'm not no pump bro. That's just me. I've
Speaker 1: been through so much. I was teased. I was. I
Speaker 1: had low self esteem issues. When I was younger, I
Speaker 1: was I got bullied. We didn't call it bullied. I's
Speaker 1: got we got picked out, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: shot before I knew what that was. And so man,
Speaker 1: you know when I was when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: we ran track and things like that. I had a
Speaker 1: guy that spit in my mouth while I was sleeping.
Speaker 1: I got picked So when I got older, man, I
Speaker 1: got to the point where I was always you know,
Speaker 1: hearing my grandmothers like, don't never let nobody you know
Speaker 1: do you wrong, or if they're bigger than you, she
Speaker 1: may pick something up, hit him, hit him a wrong.
Speaker 1: But ye are bro, you I grabbed me, trust me,
Speaker 1: you know what it's like. So I always remembered that.
Speaker 1: But man, I had gotten to the point where I
Speaker 1: was upside. I'm a grown man, and I just wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna allow you, wouldn't take no shop of anybody else. Bro.
Speaker 1: I didn't care who who it was and how big
Speaker 1: you were. But yeah, it was like I said, if
Speaker 1: if I don't know what it would have happened. But
Speaker 1: Trotter end up, you know, kind of separating, and he
Speaker 1: he'll tell you. He's like I went through Trotter. I
Speaker 1: went through Trotter to try to get to try to
Speaker 1: get it here. Come back the second year you play
Speaker 1: you still you're still bawling, and then Andy's like, go home?
Speaker 1: What what led to Andy sending you home? I did
Speaker 1: an interview with a guy by the name of Graham
Speaker 1: ben Singer, and I had met him in high school.
Speaker 1: He was an aspiring journalists or whatever in high school
Speaker 1: when I was in San France, right, and so now
Speaker 1: he's I think he's in college or whatever. But I
Speaker 1: told him, and he had asked me, I had no
Speaker 1: idea I'm coming from. At the end of the game,
Speaker 1: he goes, Yo, I'm I'm I'm gonna be a journalist
Speaker 1: one day. But really, block, I had no idea, like
Speaker 1: years later, right, this guy would be interviewing me. Right,
Speaker 1: and so I did the piece, so what have you?
Speaker 1: And he brought up a statement or something that Michael
Speaker 1: Irvin had said. He was like, uh, because at that
Speaker 1: time we were four and three, right seconds, we were
Speaker 1: four and three, still talented, still had a chance to
Speaker 1: made the playoffs. We easily we lost some games, close
Speaker 1: game and the only game that we got our butts
Speaker 1: kick was the Pittsburgh game, So we easily could have
Speaker 1: been six and one, right, And so he he was like,
Speaker 1: he has asked a phrase. The question he goes, you know,
Speaker 1: I talked to Michael Irvin and I guess I guess
Speaker 1: Michael was doing TV or something like that, and he
Speaker 1: was like, uh, Michael said, you know if if Brett
Speaker 1: Farbes you guys this quarterback, you know, you guys would
Speaker 1: be a better team or something along those lines. I
Speaker 1: just said, okay, I could I agree with that assessment
Speaker 1: just getting it had no it wasn't any slight towards
Speaker 1: done right. I was thinking that what Brett Farb had
Speaker 1: accomplished and who he was at that time, being sort
Speaker 1: of like he was a Hall of Fame quarterback. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, when you switching and you putting that,
Speaker 1: But I didn't but I didn't. But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't share him. I wasn't thinking at
Speaker 1: that time. I wasn't. I hadn't matured enough to understand
Speaker 1: the question process. You got your question. Well, he got
Speaker 1: me and he got me up out of there. He did,
Speaker 1: he got me, He got me out of there. So
Speaker 1: the next day the headlines was Terrell says that you know,
Speaker 1: would be better with Brent, and I'm like what, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I'm like, what are y'all if
Speaker 1: you know how, yespionis loop the loop. It was all over.
Speaker 1: So I go in the next morning. That's all that
Speaker 1: was on the TVs. No, this was in the in
Speaker 1: the lunch and the man. Let me tell you, so
Speaker 1: this this became a firestorm. Bro It just kind of
Speaker 1: just it was like things just kind of just went haywire.
Speaker 1: And so I tried to address I'm like, yo, that's
Speaker 1: not what I said. And I basically, if this is
Speaker 1: because I said I told me. I said, yes, I
Speaker 1: would agree with that assessment. But I said, also Donovan
Speaker 1: had been hurt. And I said, if Donovan wasn't hurt,
Speaker 1: I said, we could easily be six and one right now.
Speaker 1: But that's not what they that's not what they did
Speaker 1: for though. So the team captain, Brian Dawkins is mother
Speaker 1: uh trotter. They basically corned me in the in the
Speaker 1: in the in the training room. What are you doing? Block?
Speaker 1: I said, Bro, that's not what I said, right, So
Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, yo, look at the transcript.
Speaker 1: I said, get the transcript, and somebody went and got
Speaker 1: the transcript. I said, read it, and something entired it
Speaker 1: and you will see exactly what I said. Right. They
Speaker 1: understood I'm sitting in our trainer's office with Brian. They
Speaker 1: saw that, right, But that's not how the media. It
Speaker 1: was too late then, right, because it was already right exact,
Speaker 1: the damage was already done. So I so I go
Speaker 1: to and you read I'm talking to Jeffrey Lewery and
Speaker 1: all those guys. And so at this point they don't
Speaker 1: know what what what needs to happen. So I have
Speaker 1: a publicist and we're trying to figure out what's what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. And so she basically wrote something down
Speaker 1: for me to obviously go before the meeting for a
Speaker 1: press conference or what have you. And so she had
Speaker 1: faxed it in to the equipment room to that number
Speaker 1: to the equipment room, so that whoever got it from
Speaker 1: the equipment they read it. So before I went out
Speaker 1: from my press conference, went to the captains, talked to
Speaker 1: Brian and thinking I talked to Trotter. I showed Trotter
Speaker 1: what I what I had to read, like I was
Speaker 1: apologizing for the organization. It's not the other and it
Speaker 1: was a section only like you know, I want to
Speaker 1: apologize to don him blah blah blah. Trotter suggested I
Speaker 1: take that out because it was addressing because I was
Speaker 1: dressing him with the team. He didn't feel like he
Speaker 1: didn't feel like that I needed to address him. No,
Speaker 1: you yeah, you should have. That's what happened. So I
Speaker 1: didn't end up saying that part. I just said I
Speaker 1: apologized to the team, my teammates, and anybody that it offended.
Speaker 1: I offended whatever body saying that. So whomever got it
Speaker 1: from the fact machine, they saw that I didn't read that.
Speaker 1: They saw that you didn't read that. Bade him what
Speaker 1: the state, but the original statement, BINGO got back to
Speaker 1: the coach. You got back to the coach, then they
Speaker 1: must have told Donovan or what have you. And then
Speaker 1: he was ticked off because I didn't personally addressed or
Speaker 1: specifically address him. So Andy Reid wanted me to go
Speaker 1: out there in front of everybody and do it in
Speaker 1: front of everybody, and I told and now, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing that. That's not happening. You're not doing what We're
Speaker 1: not going out there, and he wanted he wanted you
Speaker 1: to do it again. I'm apologizing in front of the
Speaker 1: team to Donovan personal and I'm like, I'm not doing that. No, sir,
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing that because number one, I knew in
Speaker 1: my heart that I didn't mean for the way that
Speaker 1: the way that sounded, nor how the media spend it
Speaker 1: or spun it right to make it thing like I
Speaker 1: didn't Teo, you do understand how intent worked, and ten
Speaker 1: only matters to you. The person that was offended is
Speaker 1: equally as offended whether you meant it or not. Right,
Speaker 1: But we never even got to a point of even
Speaker 1: discussing that, you know what I mean. So I was
Speaker 1: just like, no, I'm not doing it. Why not just
Speaker 1: apot say brought because I felt like I did it
Speaker 1: within within the within the scope of what would I address,
Speaker 1: would that I address it. So when I apologize to
Speaker 1: my teammates and anybody that then that's basically me addressing
Speaker 1: you can't do that because this thing you didn't say.
Speaker 1: You didn't say that's not just anybody that's the quarterback,
Speaker 1: and you said a quarterback from another team would be
Speaker 1: you guys would be better. Now that's not how you
Speaker 1: meant it, right, But that's how it came across once
Speaker 1: the headlines, because how do I get you to read
Speaker 1: the paper. I gotta get headlines, so I gotta put
Speaker 1: something in bold captured your tension so you will actually
Speaker 1: read it. So now that's so bro at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, when I've I've always said, you've heard
Speaker 1: me say this statement. If I could always, if I
Speaker 1: could go back, yeah, there would be some things I
Speaker 1: would do different. Okay, this is probably one of those things.
Speaker 1: But at that time that's not where my mind and
Speaker 1: said it was because I knew that that's not what
Speaker 1: I meant. I mean, I wouldn't intentionally throw my quarterback
Speaker 1: under the bus. I was just answering that question based
Speaker 1: on what he asked me. But then at the same time,
Speaker 1: the media did me a disservice because they didn't like said,
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't include the second part of it
Speaker 1: because like YO done and had been injured that year.
Speaker 1: I said, we could have easily been six and one
Speaker 1: instead of sitting here four and three. So, but the
Speaker 1: thing is it, I just said, Okay, I was giving
Speaker 1: more respect, not more respect, but I was just giving
Speaker 1: kudos in respect to who Brett Farve was in the
Speaker 1: caliber of quarterback he was at that time. It wasn't
Speaker 1: anything any slight. No, it wasn't a slight. If you
Speaker 1: listen to how he phrased it, then you could see
Speaker 1: where I was coming from with my answer. What happened
Speaker 1: with you and Brad Seorgi's because you guys had a
Speaker 1: wasn't Brad he was the offensive coordinated right, You and
Speaker 1: him had a like a contentious relationship. Yeah. So once
Speaker 1: I think, uh, something happened, I got back and at
Speaker 1: this point in time, you didn't get suspended for the
Speaker 1: Donovan thing. You got suspended with budding heads with Brad. Right, Nah,
Speaker 1: it was combination. You would think it might be in
Speaker 1: a combination thing because they were going to play Washington
Speaker 1: that week, and so Andy Reid basically said, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna go play Washington. You're gonna sit
Speaker 1: there from out and he said, oh the weekend, we're
Speaker 1: gonna you know, we're gonna talk to the you know,
Speaker 1: owner and you know obviously the other players or whatever,
Speaker 1: and we'll see, you know, we'll assess everything and then
Speaker 1: go from there. Right, and so little did I know
Speaker 1: that was the last game that you know practice that
Speaker 1: that that that I played. Okay, they suspend you. It
Speaker 1: was only supposed to be for four games, right, No,
Speaker 1: but they changed the rule because they suspended you in
Speaker 1: definitely now they can only spend you for four games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Donovan had a hand and like I said, the
Speaker 1: feat how you know that t bro trust me? Trust me,
Speaker 1: trust me, trust me. So that was bad enough for
Speaker 1: me to be suspended for the whole year that that situation. Okay,
Speaker 1: what happened? What happened with the sit up in the driveway?
Speaker 1: What about it? I went to training camp. That was
Speaker 1: me and Andy Reid. We had it. We butted head.
Speaker 1: I had you know, they have like positions. Uh, after
Speaker 1: certain practice they go signed autographs. But I was injured.
Speaker 1: I had was nursing the growing injury, So that was
Speaker 1: my priority. I wanted to prioritize, right, So I when
Speaker 1: I came there to do your research. When I got
Speaker 1: to the Philadelphia Eagles and we went to Lei Stadium,
Speaker 1: it was tens of thousands there every day, Shannon, I
Speaker 1: signed autographs. I lad, I took pictures everything. So I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I needed to take away from my
Speaker 1: treatment of me getting better and being on the football
Speaker 1: and the West Coast thing. What we do when they
Speaker 1: have to have certain groups, like one days the DBS,
Speaker 1: you go and you sign autograph for ten fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: The next day it might be somewhere else and you
Speaker 1: might do that twice while you're in training camp. I
Speaker 1: was doing it daily, right because of just I knew
Speaker 1: that was part of it. If you're injured, your exempt
Speaker 1: from that, you go get treatment. That's how it was
Speaker 1: in Denver, thank you. So that's how I saw it.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to prioritize my help. Dude, he was
Speaker 1: running me in the ground, dude, like I ran every
Speaker 1: route every time. Done it with that quarterback. I had
Speaker 1: to run a round, right, Yeah. Yeah, that's that's how
Speaker 1: normally is as the start of then you go No.
Speaker 1: Even even the head trainer had to tell him, like, look,
Speaker 1: he's nursing a growing injury. You can't just run it wrong.
Speaker 1: I play. I practice hard, right, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: And so it was getting to me. So I got
Speaker 1: to the point like, yeah, I needed to get back
Speaker 1: on the field. That's how it was going to be productive. Right,
Speaker 1: That's what people pay their money. This kid you come
Speaker 1: to see. They come to see a show. Right, So
Speaker 1: I wanted to prioritize, prioritize that, and we butted heads,
Speaker 1: and he didn't like what I had to say, and
Speaker 1: I said, look, my health is more important than going
Speaker 1: to sign some autographs, like I signed just one day, right.
Speaker 1: So he he didn't like what I had to say.
Speaker 1: He told me to go home. He's like, how did
Speaker 1: you say it? Did you say, Andy, Look, I'm nursing
Speaker 1: a growing injury. Now I've signed. I trust me, I've
Speaker 1: signed my fears show up autographs. But you should understand
Speaker 1: that it wasn't we were in it. We were in
Speaker 1: a setting. We were like in the hallway or whatever,
Speaker 1: and so we were just kind of just going back
Speaker 1: and forth. The banter, you know, obviously started calm and
Speaker 1: then I didn't like what he had to say. He
Speaker 1: didn't like what I had to say. And then he
Speaker 1: was like, so again, I'm not gonna be disrespectful, right,
Speaker 1: But I was like saying our voices. Man raised a bit,
Speaker 1: but he was like, you know what, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: be disrespectful, but I'm not gonna let you be disrespectful
Speaker 1: to me. I just got you the coach. Now, you
Speaker 1: don't think at this point I'm growing. At this point,
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely so. He bas just told me, like, you
Speaker 1: know what, go go home, he said, will we'll We'll
Speaker 1: get back to you. So I went back to the
Speaker 1: DORME got my stuff, drove back to UH to Morristown,
Speaker 1: and UH, little did I know, I get I get,
Speaker 1: I get home. At this point, I don't know what
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing. I'm talking to you.
Speaker 1: I talked to UH my publicist at the time. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to change. You're trying to figure I'm like, what
Speaker 1: what what I do in the interiom? And so I
Speaker 1: had no idea that the time that I'm in there
Speaker 1: and I got into place in my in my house,
Speaker 1: I'm just walking around and then I heard some helicopters
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't really think too much other
Speaker 1: So then I hear knock at the door and I
Speaker 1: got the blind had the little shutter blinds. I looked
Speaker 1: through that, Shannon. They were kemped. They had been set
Speaker 1: up shop. Who told him though? But I mean it
Speaker 1: was an hour and a half to get from Lehigh
Speaker 1: back to Morristown, so you can only imagine you know,
Speaker 1: who had contacted by that time. And then, like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, the local media or whatever. So they had
Speaker 1: the news truck everybody. I looked outside the tripod, I
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, this is crazy, Shandon. That was honestly,
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna start in Shannon. I ain't
Speaker 1: going to him a lot. I was like, I'm a star,
Speaker 1: and so I just tried to make light of a situation,
Speaker 1: bring some levity to it. Okay, So before I left, Shandon,
Speaker 1: I mean before I left Lehigh, Coach Reid basically said, either, look,
Speaker 1: go home, we'll get you know, we'll get back. Don't
Speaker 1: follow us. We'll call you. Yeah, he said, just keep
Speaker 1: yourself in shape, okay, because they ain't really a good
Speaker 1: dude to you. No, no, no, yeah, no, no, Red
Speaker 1: is good dude. Everybody. We called him, call her red man.
Speaker 1: We talked. I talked to him now man and uh
Speaker 1: so I get to the house and like I said,
Speaker 1: things happened and I just remember, you know, he was like,
Speaker 1: just make sure you're in shape. Right. So you know,
Speaker 1: in my house, I had an ab bench, you know,
Speaker 1: laying around the house. It's not the other So they
Speaker 1: kept knocking at my door. So I'm like, man, so
Speaker 1: I call him a publicity and she goes, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, what should I do? But la lad? So
Speaker 1: I said, I went out. I went outside. At one
Speaker 1: point in time, I had a basketball goal when out
Speaker 1: some flip flops. I'm just shooting basketball, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I remember that the area of size they
Speaker 1: showed me basket side. I went back in the house.
Speaker 1: And then so when I went back out, you should
Speaker 1: have been like Charlie Field. Once you go back in
Speaker 1: the house, stay in the house like round home. Then
Speaker 1: you stay in your house. But they were gonna get
Speaker 1: They was gonna camp out there all day. I had
Speaker 1: to go eat. So this is what I said, Let
Speaker 1: me just make let me just have fun with it.
Speaker 1: And I just like I said, in the back of
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm just hearing and the reads keep yourself
Speaker 1: in shape, right. So I'm looking around, so I see
Speaker 1: my ab bench, and so I had to I was
Speaker 1: talking to my publicism shoot. And so that was the
Speaker 1: time when you had to little earpick until this day
Speaker 1: and took Nobody knew that she was on my earpiece.
Speaker 1: She was on live when I went out there, right,
Speaker 1: So when I took my ab bench out there, I
Speaker 1: was answering the questions. She heard what they were saying,
Speaker 1: and so she was just telling me what to say
Speaker 1: or whatever. Then that feel was something I didn't want
Speaker 1: to want to answer. I just said no comment, right.
Speaker 1: So that was the reason behind me bring number one
Speaker 1: the app bench out there, because I'm like, hey, he
Speaker 1: told me to come home, you know, come in here
Speaker 1: and stay and shape. So that's what I was doing. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you leave feeling it didn't work. I mean, you
Speaker 1: had a great like you said, in twenty one games,
Speaker 1: you had twenty touchdowns. You did go to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that Super Bowl. Normally, if somebody plays
Speaker 1: injured or plays hurt, it's like, you know what, man,
Speaker 1: he did a good thing. Now he should be commended. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why did you get so much criticism. You're the only
Speaker 1: guy that's ever played in a game when you're you're
Speaker 1: not hurt, you're injured because you're seven weeks removed from
Speaker 1: a broken ankle and a torn ligament in your ankle.
Speaker 1: Why did you get so much criticism for trying to
Speaker 1: help your team win? Had that been anybody else, They're
Speaker 1: a build a statue of him. Like I said, I'm black,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm outspoken. That looked at as me a brass, selfish,
Speaker 1: arrogant type of players. So anything negative I felt like
Speaker 1: that they could throw towards me. That's what they did.
Speaker 1: And so again at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: said it at the end of press conference to I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: this would have been bred far if you guys would
Speaker 1: be praising him, you know what I mean. I looked
Speaker 1: at some of the games that he's played where he
Speaker 1: was sick or dealing with you know, family issues, and
Speaker 1: the way he played. I mean, he was lauded for that, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Just reasently Tom Brady played
Speaker 1: with thirteen stitches in the hand. They was like, that's
Speaker 1: like like he did something miraculous. But I played with
Speaker 1: the stint of the injury that I played with should
Speaker 1: have been out even the I even had to sign
Speaker 1: a way with the play in the Super Bowl. The
Speaker 1: doctor didn't even men to clear me, didn't even clear me.
Speaker 1: But I had a broken fiddler, had two screws and
Speaker 1: a play in my ankle and knew it at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. Man, Like my grandmother's always just
Speaker 1: told me, just be true to who you are. Always
Speaker 1: have faith. And that's how I played the game. That's
Speaker 1: how I lived my life. Man, just on faith everything.
Speaker 1: You know, Faith is belief in something that seems doesn't
Speaker 1: that that doesn't seem possible, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's what That was the caption on my post the
Speaker 1: other day. And that's that's how I've always operated, man.
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, you know, the you know things
Speaker 1: were I was targeted, believe the unseen. Yeah, people said
Speaker 1: this and that about me because of hearsay, without even
Speaker 1: getting to know me. They perceived me the perceptions like
Speaker 1: it's I get it, it's out there, but I know me,
Speaker 1: I know my heart, my teammates know me. And just
Speaker 1: because like I said, a few people that may him
Speaker 1: not have liked me. People that are in the media.
Speaker 1: They created narratives, people jumped on those narratives, networks did
Speaker 1: and it just kind of just compounded. So I still
Speaker 1: get it today. People they don't approach me because of
Speaker 1: what they've heard and read throughout the course of course
Speaker 1: of my career. You go to Dallas, Jerry Jones is
Speaker 1: all in. Jerry Jones is giddy like he just opened
Speaker 1: the package opened the President on Christmas. But the head coach.
Speaker 1: You and the head coach kind of butted heads right away. Oh, Sales,
Speaker 1: we didn't bet. I had nothing against him. I know
Speaker 1: you didn't, So we didn't butt heads. Maybe he had
Speaker 1: a disagreement and the decision that, but I had nothing
Speaker 1: against part Sales, none whatsoever. So I don't really think
Speaker 1: we butted his right because of I guess maybe he
Speaker 1: just didn't agree with the decision to bring me in
Speaker 1: because Keyshan with his guy Keishaan, had played with him
Speaker 1: in and in New York with the Jets. He was
Speaker 1: there and he didn't feel like I was the caliber
Speaker 1: of a receiver that he needed. Possibly, but obviously Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones saw different, right, I mean, even to the pointer,
Speaker 1: Like I said when I left there, Keishaan went in
Speaker 1: the booth. He started taking shots to me when I
Speaker 1: was in when I was in Dallas. So to my
Speaker 1: whole much is given, much of the required a man,
Speaker 1: and I'm you dealt with a lot. You had a
Speaker 1: great relationship with Tony Romo, and Tony Rome will give
Speaker 1: you the ball. You go to Pro Bowls, You'll all pro.
Speaker 1: And then something happened. What happened? Bro? I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I signed a four year extension right going into the
Speaker 1: off season of after my third year I played six
Speaker 1: to oh nine. Right, Jerry Jones calls me and he's
Speaker 1: and I knew. I felt honored at the call because
Speaker 1: I've been on teams where I've heard how coaches, general
Speaker 1: managers and owners talk to the vets of teams and
Speaker 1: kind of asking their input. Same thing Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 1: going through the last few years not feeling included. Dude,
Speaker 1: I felt honored. He called me and he was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what do we need to get over the hump? I
Speaker 1: gave him my assessment of what we need to do
Speaker 1: based on the three years that I had been there.
Speaker 1: I got an extension. I go into the off season.
Speaker 1: I think it's like maybe two months I'm living in Florida.
Speaker 1: My agent is uh is living in Florida at the time,
Speaker 1: a financial guy. And so the owners mean as a
Speaker 1: big owners meeting or something in Florida. So Jerry's coming
Speaker 1: to town. My agent called me because, Yo, Jerry's coming
Speaker 1: in town. He wants to talk to you. This is
Speaker 1: right before I think the new stadium is we go
Speaker 1: into the new stadium in the following year. He was all, Jerry,
Speaker 1: didn't they want to talk to you, but bab about
Speaker 1: the upcoming season? Might I remind you? Now? I just
Speaker 1: I've already signed an extension, right. So we meet them
Speaker 1: at this hotel on the water, him and Stephen agent
Speaker 1: was there, Drew was there, and uh we go to
Speaker 1: this go inside the hotel and they take us back
Speaker 1: to the back of this restaurant and then they put us,
Speaker 1: you know, put us, put us at a table, and
Speaker 1: so they put a cloth over the table, this and
Speaker 1: and the other, and uh. So we just started talking
Speaker 1: and I could tell, like, you know, Jerry had been
Speaker 1: you know, had had a few, he had a couple
Speaker 1: of them, you know what I mean. I could just tell.
Speaker 1: And so I didn't really think much of it. Stephen
Speaker 1: was there. So we're at the table. Jerry's here. I
Speaker 1: think Drew was over here, and I think Stephen may
Speaker 1: have been over there. I can't remember if the other
Speaker 1: agent was there or not. And so, uh, he just
Speaker 1: started talking about the organization and just making comparisons here
Speaker 1: and there, talking about Romo and the Cowboys and bringing
Speaker 1: up me, and then he get he gets a pen
Speaker 1: and draws a line down the middle of the table.
Speaker 1: So now he starts kind of differentiating, kind of just separating,
Speaker 1: kind of like everything that's like, okay, you know, the
Speaker 1: cowboys over here, and then he put t over here.
Speaker 1: Then he would start, you know, he put one line
Speaker 1: over there, and then he started putting like, you know,
Speaker 1: I said Romo this, that, and the other Teo over here,
Speaker 1: organization here, t o here, anything positive or you know,
Speaker 1: related to the cowboys. He put on one side and
Speaker 1: then he basically like I'm on on this on this side,
Speaker 1: you by yourself. So then he drew a line down
Speaker 1: the middle of this and he said, we got a
Speaker 1: part ways. That's how I got cut. What but you
Speaker 1: at your side about for your extension the year before, right,
Speaker 1: That's how I got cuts and no line. That's how
Speaker 1: That's that's how it ended. When I looked, I looked
Speaker 1: at I remember Drew looked at me, and I looked
Speaker 1: at him, and I'm thinking, this is a joke. You're like,
Speaker 1: where the camera is, right, I'm looking for Asian culture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all punking me this candy camera. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you want to remember candy camera. Yeah, but punk is so.
Speaker 1: And then when we saw that it was real, I
Speaker 1: think Drew asked you, like, are you serious? There is
Speaker 1: there any way we can you know, resolve this or
Speaker 1: whatever I did, I was kind of like in shock.
Speaker 1: I was kind of a lost words. I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't really know what to say, what to do because
Speaker 1: Asians like, where do we go from here? I don't
Speaker 1: know what transpired from really that phone call that we had,
Speaker 1: you know, months prior to to to that day. The
Speaker 1: reports are you can confirm or deny that there was
Speaker 1: some started to be some tension between you and Jason Witt.
Speaker 1: Never I don't even know where that comes from. I've
Speaker 1: even had and seen shows with you and Skip and
Speaker 1: they said that he bucked up at me and he
Speaker 1: didn't bro Jason Winn has never confronted me We've never
Speaker 1: had any tension. And trust me, this ain't what he
Speaker 1: want anyway. I promise you, I knew, I promise Shannon,
Speaker 1: I promise you that. I promise you that I'm not
Speaker 1: no bad tough guys. But we never had any tension.
Speaker 1: So I don't even know where Skip got that from, right,
Speaker 1: And he said that he confronted me. I remember he
Speaker 1: was like, oh wit and confronted t O at practice
Speaker 1: and I backed down. I'm like what but stuff like that,
Speaker 1: I just I just let it. I just let it go.
Speaker 1: And that's how a lot of stuff in the media
Speaker 1: gets blown out of proportion. Believe X y Z. But
Speaker 1: till your numbers didn't want to release due did Gerry.
Speaker 1: I came on the show and I showed you. I
Speaker 1: told you everything. I even brought the the what is
Speaker 1: it the release papers or whatever? It said conduct detrimental
Speaker 1: to the team is why I was being released it
Speaker 1: it no, was it performance based? It was one of
Speaker 1: the other yeah, because that's only that that's true closet right, right,
Speaker 1: So I think it, Uh, yeah, it was mark performance
Speaker 1: bas it had exactly. I brought the I brought the
Speaker 1: paper on the show because I got somebody to send
Speaker 1: it to me because it has to be filed with
Speaker 1: the NFL absolute and I and I when I read that,
Speaker 1: it said the reason that I was being cut was
Speaker 1: performance based. It had nothing to do with conduct detrimental
Speaker 1: to the team. But if you let Skip Bayless tell it,
Speaker 1: he'll piss in your face and tell you of all
Speaker 1: the of all the releases, the parting of the way
Speaker 1: at the forty nine is the parting of the Eagles
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. It seems to me the Cowboys hurt the
Speaker 1: most because I Bro it's and I don't like when
Speaker 1: you know, obviously quarterbacks, you know, they're they're like the
Speaker 1: head coach there. They start getting control. Romo started to play,
Speaker 1: you know, lights out again. I was a part of
Speaker 1: his success. And then he was dating Jessica Simpson. He
Speaker 1: was a star you went to back for because remember
Speaker 1: they lost to the Giants. He was the Mexico Party
Speaker 1: with Jessica. You was only saying that's my quarterback. You
Speaker 1: you went to back for. Bro. Trust me, not only
Speaker 1: did I see things that were going on during practice
Speaker 1: games or whatever. He was forcing the ball in double
Speaker 1: double coverage to witness and Bro, I wasn't the only
Speaker 1: one that mentioned some of those things. Maybe those guys
Speaker 1: weren't vocal enough or had the balls enough to say it,
Speaker 1: and I did. I addressed it. And maybe he didn't
Speaker 1: like the truth, but I saw it. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: like I addressed things behind closed doors. Like I said
Speaker 1: when I went to Philly, I wasn't trying to have
Speaker 1: that stigma that I was a bad teammate. All these
Speaker 1: things that I've heard, Okay, we're going to keep things
Speaker 1: in the house. Let's talk. That's what I was doing, right.
Speaker 1: My coaches, they'll tell you the things that we addressed.
Speaker 1: As an offense or individual. It got outside of the
Speaker 1: room and wasn't but there were specific people in that room,
Speaker 1: so you know it came from one of them. My
Speaker 1: coach even knew who that came from. I knew when
Speaker 1: no players weren't gonna say nothing, and it got to
Speaker 1: the media about very I'm talking about what was being
Speaker 1: you know where it came from. You know who said it?
Speaker 1: Trust me. So all of that stuff, man, and the
Speaker 1: Todd Hayley's, the wittings and all the stuff that transpired. Man,
Speaker 1: like I said, it is what it is. I know,
Speaker 1: Like I said, they had a hand and and me
Speaker 1: not returning. There was something that happened, and when dads
Speaker 1: went through that little situation, guess who was still there.
Speaker 1: It was a similar situation with Romo, Garrett and Whitton.
Speaker 1: Why he started, you know, trust me, whether smoked this sprit,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't just say stuff just to
Speaker 1: be saying. And then years later people now seeing they think,
Speaker 1: like man TiO was on or something, maybe there's something
Speaker 1: to it. I'm just not gonna make something up, bro,
Speaker 1: Like I was a team player. Man, if I'm running
Speaker 1: route Shannon, I know what I know. I know my
Speaker 1: job as a number one receiver. I can be a
Speaker 1: decod I can be number one. I know how valuable
Speaker 1: I was. I mean there were times, man, I would
Speaker 1: haul ass off the line knowing I wasn't going to
Speaker 1: get the ball Shanning, But I know my tight end
Speaker 1: gonna be open, somebody in the scene is gonna be
Speaker 1: That's what I do, right. There were games I remember
Speaker 1: I'm sprinting down the field witting I'm clear enough for
Speaker 1: my guy. I wanna get my guy knocked out. He
Speaker 1: makes a big game. I'm running back to the heart
Speaker 1: of wit man. He goes to bed tea. He goes, Man,
Speaker 1: this play never happens if you don't do what you're doing, right, Shannon,
Speaker 1: That's that's who I was, right. But if you listen
Speaker 1: to the media, they're gonna tell you something totally different.
Speaker 1: And that's why I was so confident in my ability
Speaker 1: and I did what I did, and I was still
Speaker 1: outspoken because my grandmother told me to tell the truth.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I didn't know anything about
Speaker 1: being politically correction right, you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 1: not that I wasn't. I wasn't wired that way. And
Speaker 1: when they asked me something, I answered it. You know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking, Okay, if I answered this way, okay,
Speaker 1: this is putting this guy, you know, in harm's way.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't thinking that way. But as I
Speaker 1: got older and I started, Okay, this is the media
Speaker 1: is angled, this is how they do things. And so now,
Speaker 1: like I said, then when you start not wanting to
Speaker 1: talk to the media, then they have a problem with you.
Speaker 1: When they're making you look bad. It's like, okay, you
Speaker 1: can't win, right. So that's why, like I said, I
Speaker 1: let my play do the talking and speaking for me,
Speaker 1: and I felt like it did loud, and so I
Speaker 1: realized that I had the last say. Nobody like I said,
Speaker 1: whatever went on. If I went out and played poorly,
Speaker 1: it was only gonna validate what they were saying and
Speaker 1: what they were talking about. So I just did what
Speaker 1: I had to do. But I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: sometimes you even realize what you accomplished. You go to
Speaker 1: San Francisco and eventually you're the leading receiver. You go
Speaker 1: to Philly, you're the lead receiver. You go to Dallas,
Speaker 1: you're the leading receiver. You go to Buffalo and you
Speaker 1: only what you played. I think you played fourteen games,
Speaker 1: you the leading receiver. And then and it was guys
Speaker 1: what ten years younger than me. Yeah, Lee Evans was
Speaker 1: a leading receiver in Buffalo. I go to Cincinnati. Chad
Speaker 1: had been there with car car for nine ten years.
Speaker 1: He's been the leader. And you don't have a double D.
Speaker 1: You touch that m a foul yard. Had you not
Speaker 1: tore your knee up with two games left, three games finished,
Speaker 1: with what nine seventy three or something like that, could
Speaker 1: have had a thousand, easy right ten ten touchdowns And
Speaker 1: during that season, people don't even know that Monday night.
Speaker 1: If you go back and watch that money him see
Speaker 1: the highlights. I had a broken hand during that game
Speaker 1: and had like ten receptions something y like in a
Speaker 1: touchdown and against Troy Polamalu. I had broke my hand
Speaker 1: during during the week of practice. All I put a
Speaker 1: pad on it balled out when I got people didn't
Speaker 1: even know that when I got when I got tackled,
Speaker 1: I had to get up off my on my wrist
Speaker 1: because I couldn't put my hand down right. But those
Speaker 1: are the things that I did. I played with pain.
Speaker 1: I did it for the team, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I knew how valuable I was. I learned that
Speaker 1: early on. I saw what Jerry did, and then I adopted,
Speaker 1: you know, uh some of those things that he did
Speaker 1: in his play. And then I just took what God
Speaker 1: blessed me and kind of just took a little bit
Speaker 1: of what Jerry did. And you got TiO. If you
Speaker 1: could have you talked to Dolan since you left Philly Man,
Speaker 1: we've talked and dressed at a couple of times, and
Speaker 1: then I think it was over the summer. During the
Speaker 1: last year it resurfaced. Hate uh Ts does his show
Speaker 1: called untold Stories. He brings Donovan on and this is
Speaker 1: how it came back, This is how it comes back up.
Speaker 1: He addresses what happened or have you? And then he
Speaker 1: says that I, you know that I prevented them from
Speaker 1: going back to back to super Bowls, this and that
Speaker 1: and the other. But which was a bunch of hogwash
Speaker 1: because it's hypocrisy at it at its finest because during
Speaker 1: the time that they were asking him questions about you
Speaker 1: know what, i'd be ready or it would need you,
Speaker 1: he didn't need me. But now years later, you want
Speaker 1: to recount what happened, And now now I prevented you
Speaker 1: from going to prevent the team from going to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? So which is it going to be? Right?
Speaker 1: So I just had to basically just follow up, you know,
Speaker 1: on you know, do a follow up or just so
Speaker 1: I kind of just but y'all cool, No, we ain't cool,
Speaker 1: not after that, because I thought we were. We had
Speaker 1: addressed it at some point. I had to run into
Speaker 1: him and I thought were cool, okay, and then this
Speaker 1: show comes about untold story. Then he's and it's exactly
Speaker 1: So I just had to address, you know, what he
Speaker 1: had put out there, and so I just basically just
Speaker 1: gave my side of the story. So, man, during that
Speaker 1: time that I played, and you know, media had asked
Speaker 1: him during my tenure there, you know, did I help
Speaker 1: him become a better, you know, better quarterback? This's not
Speaker 1: and the other he got to I think he took
Speaker 1: a finch to that. And why I did you had
Speaker 1: to ask him that. I don't know why, but I
Speaker 1: even had. I had a conversation with my my receiver
Speaker 1: coach at that time about some of the same things
Speaker 1: that the media was asking about his stats and how
Speaker 1: they increase. And you look at before I was got there,
Speaker 1: when I got there, and after I got there, it
Speaker 1: was obvious, right and my my coach knew that. But
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, he didn't like the question or the
Speaker 1: idea that I came in and I made him a
Speaker 1: better But I get my numbers with jar. They always
Speaker 1: look at my number without but I didn't have a problem.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem. He had the problem with
Speaker 1: that I didn't. So this is where all of this,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, where things went wrong that
Speaker 1: it was him. It wasn't me, but everybody would think
Speaker 1: it's me because of history and the narrative that everywhere
Speaker 1: that I go, I'm an issue. Yeah, it's hard to
Speaker 1: run your reputation, right, So, like I said, I just
Speaker 1: had to be true to who I was man. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I know that with every
Speaker 1: quarterback that I played, the good ones, that average ones not.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have been able to do what I
Speaker 1: did without them, right, it was a complimentary thing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it was I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was like a kid in a cash store, just
Speaker 1: like at he knew what he was getting. I knew
Speaker 1: what I was getting myself into when I went to
Speaker 1: h It's a high powered offense that needed somewhat somebody
Speaker 1: on my caliber. The defense was was stocked stacked. Uh,
Speaker 1: you got Trotter Simon, you got Dawkins Lewis. I mean
Speaker 1: the defense was there. Our defense were like offense. So
Speaker 1: I already knew I was gonna score. I was gonna
Speaker 1: be scoring touchdown looking right, because we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: short field. Was gonna get the ball a lot. And
Speaker 1: so the numbers that we put up like, he improved
Speaker 1: in pretty much every category, right, and for whatever reason
Speaker 1: he doesn't not that he needs or I need any
Speaker 1: validation but the media. But the numbers speak for themselves.
Speaker 1: I get that. So, like I said, it wasn't a
Speaker 1: mean situation. It wasn't me that was causing issues. What's
Speaker 1: your relationship like with Tony Romo? I mean we're cool.
Speaker 1: I haven't really said too much about you know, to
Speaker 1: him or what have you talked to him each other?
Speaker 1: M No, I don't think. No we have. We haven't
Speaker 1: not now we haven't talked. You mentioned a lot about
Speaker 1: your grandmother. You grew up in a small town in Alabama,
Speaker 1: Alexander City. Talk about your upbringing and have that shape
Speaker 1: the teal that we see today. Man, went to church,
Speaker 1: you know how they went to church every Sunday, do
Speaker 1: it throughout the course of the week. That was missionary
Speaker 1: Bible students students. Man, it was something. It was something
Speaker 1: to do every day of the week. Yes, deacon board meeting.
Speaker 1: I didn't need hathing to do with that. But I
Speaker 1: was going with my grandmason. She went, I went right,
Speaker 1: and she always instill like she instilled Usn't you know
Speaker 1: what faith was about the higher being of God? And
Speaker 1: you know I'm not a Bible thumper or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I know I'm truly blessed. I didn't get all this,
Speaker 1: just wake up with it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so like I told you, faith, you know, that's
Speaker 1: what she always told him. Believe in yourself and have faith.
Speaker 1: And I've always been that way, uh, you know, throughout everything,
Speaker 1: through the highs and lows, just with the naysayer, the tractors,
Speaker 1: I mean, even just being on social media, even now,
Speaker 1: just with you know, me posting stuff and people thinking
Speaker 1: I'm crazy, I'm washed up. They thinking I'm doing it
Speaker 1: for X y Z. They don't know me, and they
Speaker 1: if they got a chance to see how I was raised.
Speaker 1: I was raised by a strict grandmother, you know, growing
Speaker 1: up in the segregation era. Listening to her talk about
Speaker 1: the hard ships not only that she had gone through,
Speaker 1: but her mom and dad picking cotton. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: picking cotton in the hot sun. Bro we get in
Speaker 1: the hot sun. We got it. We were going in
Speaker 1: the shade. My daughters two years ago took her to
Speaker 1: Alabama for the first time. Shannon. She was like, it's hot,
Speaker 1: I go. She couldn't stand it. She wouldn't go in
Speaker 1: the house. But I I can't imagine. You know, some
Speaker 1: of the things that you know, we as black America
Speaker 1: America has gone through, and just listening to her talk
Speaker 1: to her friends at that time, you know some of
Speaker 1: what she had to go through. And so even like
Speaker 1: I said, going through some of the things that I
Speaker 1: saw race, the systemic racism, and just being treated differently
Speaker 1: because I felt like I was a black man, strong
Speaker 1: man and outspoken, Shannon, I didn't I wasn't doing anything wrong.
Speaker 1: My mom and my grandma would, they would be the
Speaker 1: first to tell me. I had coaches, black coaches on
Speaker 1: the staff that I looked, looked up to. Its big brothers,
Speaker 1: fathers or whatever. They they would they was aware of
Speaker 1: what was going on, and they pulled me to the side.
Speaker 1: They say, yep, tee, you're not doing nothing wrong. If
Speaker 1: you're doing something, we'll tell you. That's why I still
Speaker 1: went out there no matter what, no matter what the
Speaker 1: media was saying about me. And that's why I still
Speaker 1: went out on that field and I played because I
Speaker 1: was I was a strong but I was mentally strong
Speaker 1: and I didn't allow anything and everything that the media
Speaker 1: you said about me, it was good or bad or
Speaker 1: what have you, and some of it, a lot of
Speaker 1: it was bad to manifest because you talk about mental
Speaker 1: health awareness how it is now. I would have been
Speaker 1: a candidate for that, right, but I didn't. That's not
Speaker 1: how I rolled. That's not how I was built, right.
Speaker 1: You know, as an athlete, we're building to get to
Speaker 1: that next level. No matter what. It's mental toughness. That's
Speaker 1: what makes us who we are. That's what makes the
Speaker 1: the good and the great ones so great. And not
Speaker 1: taking away from, you know, minimizing mental health a weddings.
Speaker 1: I know that it's out there because we all experienced that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we go through those dark days and times. We
Speaker 1: all have best, some days better than others. So man,
Speaker 1: just growing up in a house man and my not
Speaker 1: knowing who my dad was, and I was like a
Speaker 1: precheen right before thirteen, and realizing that he was. I
Speaker 1: was going to my dad's house and I didn't know
Speaker 1: he stayed right across the street street from me. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I never thought about it. But I mean,
Speaker 1: as I grew up, I'm sure that may have had
Speaker 1: some type of effect on me, but I didn't prioritize,
Speaker 1: you know, what I didn't have or what have you.
Speaker 1: I just may do with what I did have, and
Speaker 1: that was my grandmother there and she taught me right
Speaker 1: from wrong. And then even now, I mean, people will again,
Speaker 1: they will perceive me to be this person because of
Speaker 1: how the media has betrayed me. But if I was
Speaker 1: such a bad person, you would think of ten years
Speaker 1: or whatever how many years I've been out of league,
Speaker 1: I would probably be in jail. I probably would have
Speaker 1: done something to validate or give you a hint that, okay,
Speaker 1: this is what this is what going. But I'm not
Speaker 1: that sham, right, And I thank God for my grandmother
Speaker 1: for who I am, And that's why I hold my
Speaker 1: head up high no matter what you know, anybody says
Speaker 1: about me. And I know there are people that I
Speaker 1: will come in contact with if they look at me sideways,
Speaker 1: they think certain things. I can see it, I can
Speaker 1: feel it. But I am who I am, and I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna change just to appease you. Like I said,
Speaker 1: the things that I've done on the football field has
Speaker 1: afforded me daily opportunities, right, you know, people and the
Speaker 1: stuff on the internet about me losing money and having
Speaker 1: this not and the other, I'm doing such and such
Speaker 1: for money. Bro, I've I've been without money, and I've
Speaker 1: had money and I'm fine, I look good, my kids
Speaker 1: are fine. Why are they worried about me? Right? So again,
Speaker 1: my grandmother like said, I owe a lot to her,
Speaker 1: and and my mom. My mom like said, she raised
Speaker 1: four kids. I got two sisters and a brother. They
Speaker 1: supported me. And man, it's it's amazing that I came
Speaker 1: out of Alexandra City, Alabama. I came out of Benjamin
Speaker 1: Russell High School, Shannon. We had some studies, we had
Speaker 1: some stars at Benjamin Russell High School, and I guarantee
Speaker 1: you none of them would have thought that I would
Speaker 1: have been the one that make made it to where
Speaker 1: I made it. I appreciate you stopping by man, man,
Speaker 1: best of luck, continue appreciate it all. With the wine,
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Speaker 1: I know I feel. Yeah. You know I've gone to
Speaker 1: bad for you. No, no, for sure, And like I said,
Speaker 1: I take the criticism good and bad, and I take
Speaker 1: it for what it's worth because you know I'm a
Speaker 1: true friend to you. That's what you know. Yeah. Yeah,
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