WEBVTT - Terrell Owens 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:02.440 They would asking me when I would ringside. I had 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:04.960 people asking tell you next, you next? And then I 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.400 had one guy that's like, Yo, this is gonna be funny. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.399 There's like, uh, if you had to fight her, and 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:11.000 who who would you? Who? Who would you? Who would you? 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.560 Who would you want to fight? I said Donovan McNabb 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.480 and I and I'm dead serious, Shanna. I'll knock him 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.160 out because it would be so much be so much 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:28.960 different now. I know. I'll be controlled, It'll be controlled angry. 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.560 I'd be like a I'd be like a Navy seal. 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:34.400 I'd be a Navy seal because you know they cool 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.360 come under all conditions. But there would be a fire 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.840 burning inside of me, so you literally try to knock 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:44.120 the man out, clean out. I knocked chunky soup from 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:53.840 him from from from two thousand folk. Trust me all 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:59.880 my life, running all my life fights one slice, one 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.040 got the swadding all my life. I've been rne in 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.880 all my life, all my life, and rine in all 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:10.360 my life, and up Sacon fights, hustle back prices, one slice, 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:17.080 swatting all my life. I've been grinding in all my life. Hello, 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.280 Welcome to another edition of Club Sha Shay. I am 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.000 your host, also the proprietor Club Sha Shay. And the 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.360 guy that's coming by for a drinking conversation today is 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.399 an all time great. I do not believe you can 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.000 tell the story in the history of the NFL without 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.800 mentioning his name. He's a six time Pro bowler. He's 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.280 a five time first team All Pro. He's one of 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.000 three men to be first team All Pro with three 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.240 different teams. He's an all decade receiver of the two thousands. 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.640 You know him as initials, t O, Tera Lawyers, TEO. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.640 What's going on? Bro Man? What's good? Man? You like 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.560 that intro? I was looking. I was like Mary, he 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.520 rambling it out like he didn't read from a telepunter. 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.680 So you're here today, You're gonna you gotta wine. You're 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.120 gonna tell us about some of the other things that 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.000 you also have. But tell us a little bit about 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.680 eighty one till well. I'm fortunate number one to be 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.520 collaborating with another Hall of Famer who just recently passed 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.960 in time of disorder. Okay, Los Angeles legend as well 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.400 with all the grades that live here, right, but I 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.120 had the opportunity to collaborate and uh, you know, I 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:18.639 you know, growing up in the South, you know, we 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.880 didn't know anything about drinking wine. They was either Moon's wine. Yeah, 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.760 that's the only type you got wine. That's it. That's it. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.960 And so uh so I came about this opportunity, and uh, 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.200 I couldn't pass it up. And you know, my first 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.079 experience being from Alabama and then getting getting drafted to 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:39.760 San Francisco, never really experienced wine, you know, like California experience, 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.680 and so I gave them kind of like my likes 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.440 and dislikes of the experiences that I had. Uh it 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.160 was dry, pasty, just didn't like it. And so with 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.320 eighty one, I included some of the you know, the 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.000 things that I didn't like. Uh, they incorporated the the 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.720 feedback and to to make eighty one. And so the 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.079 tasty notes in the ingredients with with eighty one is 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:10.400 it's like a black black ripe, black cherry plum preserves right, cinnamon, 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:15.200 stick of romans okay, dark chocolate right, and a spicy 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.520 toasted out Okay. So you you you did a lot 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.400 of research. You seem like you put thought into it. 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.239 You just didn't say, well, no, I just slap my 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.040 name on it. We good. It seems like when you 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.480 I hear you talk, you're like, Okay, this is what 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.840 I like. These are some of the wines that I've tasted. 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.120 But and so ken, how do we get something similar 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.320 but have my personality absolutely? And so even with the 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.240 aesthetics or the bottle, if you look at it right 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.400 that the label is textured. Yeah, I know you like 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.840 that pig skin. So yeah, I noticed that very instrumental 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.080 and really from the aesthetics always to the inside. Obviously 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.760 there's a base. And so with this this wine is 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.760 a Cabernet, so it's a ninety five percent Cabernet. Any 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.360 guy's initials, I know, I don't know if you can 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.800 see that from from this distance, but the line and 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.800 it's got it got too. So that's my that's my logo. 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.040 And I saw my clothing line as well. So uh 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.040 just uh, you know, just trying to you know, build 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.640 and on what you know I've been able to do 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.119 on the football field, and it really kind of post 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.320 football and trying to establish some businesses. So so yeah, 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.440 so if you're interwined, definitely go check this out. Eighty 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.200 one vino dot com. Like I said, it's a Cabernet 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:23.279 Blend ninety five percent cabin five percent. Sarah, you mentioned 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.480 you got the wine. You say you got a clothing line. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.000 The shade your wing is also from part of the 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.240 part of my line prototype eighty one. I got a 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.280 clothing line, obviously. Uh. You know I always talk about 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.839 my three pillars of success, you know what I mean. Obviously, 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.440 you had your path and there are things that motivated you, 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.400 obviously similar. I know we've talked about it with our grandmother. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.880 But when I got inducted into the Hall of Fame, 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.160 you know, going to it, you know, being you know, 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.479 growing up in a small city, small town at Alexander City, Alabama, 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.120 then going to a small division one double a school, 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.719 New Teach, Chattanooga, right, and then you know, I played 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.760 fifteen years. I get, uh, obviously nominated in twenty sixteen. 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.120 And I didn't really know much about the Hall of 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.200 Fame because a lot of you know, some guys play 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.080 to get to the Hall of Fame and some guys 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.040 play for whatever. And so when I went, I did 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.200 an interview with Chris Rose and those guys. When I 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.200 got nominated, they asked me to come to the studio 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.400 and they talked about it because it was like the 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.480 class of you know that we were that I was with, 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.800 and I just did an interview and didn't really understand 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.920 the magnitude of what I had just done until I 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.720 got home. I'm looking at the TV and I'm looking 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.240 at all the highlights everybody that's in that class, right, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.400 and I'm like, man, this is a big deal. Right, 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.440 I'm like, how did I get here? And So when 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.560 I talk about my three pillars of success, it's desired, dedication, 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.440 and discipline. And so with the fabrics of everything that 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.839 I that I do, I try to incorporate that into everything. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.400 And so if I didn't have the desire, and everybody 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.000 has a desire to be or do something in life, right, 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.280 but you gotta dedicate yourself. And you talk about some 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.400 of the greats, you know, you're in the Hall of Fame, 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.760 there's something about you. There's something about the three hundred 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:00.640 plus thirty plus guys that are in that in that museum. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.560 It's something about them that made them go from good 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.880 to great, right, And so that was something that I 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.440 really stuck with, and that was my discipline. And so 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.000 when you talk about my career, you look at how 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.120 I got there. I wouldn't be there without those three 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:19.920 these you mentioned about going and doing the interview, and 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.279 they're rolling footage of some of the plays you made 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.760 in your career. And I've often told people this, you 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.679 don't realize some of the things that you've done because 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.760 you're in it, So you don't. When I'm in it, 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:32.680 I didn't go back and look like, oh man, last year, 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:33.720 let me go back and look at some of the 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.640 things I did, or let me go back. You don't 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.920 do that because you're in it. You're like, I'm trying 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.919 to get better. And then once it's over, I found 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.680 myself going back and looking like, what, Okay, I guess 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.240 I'm worthy of being in the Pro Football Hall of 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.840 Fame right after, and I think that factored into obviously me, 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:53.039 you know, making my decision to do it elsewhere after 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.280 I got snubbed two times, and so the first time 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.280 I was like, Okay, I was gonna be a grown 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.040 man about it, being mature about it, like, okay, next year, 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:02.880 I get in, right. And then when the next year 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.040 came up, you know, we've talked about it, and it 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.360 didn't happen right, And I felt like I felt I 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.920 felt disrespected the first year, disappointed, but then the second 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.119 year I felt disrespected, you know, to the in degree. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.240 And so at that point I said I had to 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.560 take matters into my own hands. Let's talk about something, 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.239 because I don't think people at home, no, go ahead, 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:24.080 go ahead, bruh. I don't think people at home realizing 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.760 I've told you this and I've told others, even when 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.920 the voters were coming around asking me, so we'll talk 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.960 to me about till I said, I believe you the 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:33.760 second greatest received by all the time. I said, that's 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.440 no disrespect the end of the guys, because I was 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.800 in the NFL when Jerry's prime. I was in the 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.160 NFL when when Randy got in, when you got there, 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:42.960 in some of the greats. I said, this is no 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.040 disrespect to anybody that's in the hall, but I believe 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.840 TiO is the second best behind Jerry. And they and 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.119 they said, well, you know what about the other stuff. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.240 I said, well, you guys, and the by law says 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:58.360 the other stuff doesn't matter. It said on the football field, 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.000 that's what mattered. So here are some of your compliment 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.960 You played fifteen NFL season. You mentioned one thousand and 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.440 seventy eight catches fifteen thousand, nine hundred and thirty four yards, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.400 which is, if I'm not mistaken, that's third behind Jerry 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.120 and lad fish Gerald. Now you have one hundred and 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:18.080 fifty three receiving touchdowns. That's third behind Jerry and Randy Moss. Uh. 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.440 Three times you led the NFL in receiving. You scored 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.400 at least thirteen touchdowns in seventh season in a ten 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.280 years span from ninety eight to two thousand and seven. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.360 You'll wanna You're the only NFL player in history to 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.600 score at least two touchdowns against all thirty two teams. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.600 You're the only player in NFL history to have two 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.440 have three. No, let me get this stract now, only 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:41.679 player in the NFL history to have a two hundred 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.760 yard receiving game with three different teams. I did that, 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.080 you see, And you know what, as my crank researcher 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:49.719 for it, I said, I bet he don't even know this. 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.760 You did that, man, that's crazy, especially the two hundred 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.680 yard games, because I mean those are sometimes those are 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.520 hard to come back. They are. And the only one 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:03.280 that really come to mind the eighty three. Yeah, And 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.320 I was mad because they pulled me out with, probably 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.160 because I knew it. I knew what was going on, 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:14.280 and I'm like, yo, I'm like three hundred people that's 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.520 that's a mythical number four receiver, right, some some people 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.959 going full season and exactly exactly what I mean. So, 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:26.480 so you know, like you you're in a game and 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.880 you look, this is it. You catch it, everything, and 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.199 everything seems so easy, and no matter what the DV does, 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.800 no matter what the coverage they call, they can't see you. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.839 And you're like, just let me take full advantage of me. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.920 Don't let me get hurt, don't let nothing happen, don't 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.120 let's don't blow them out. What the thing was like 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:48.160 pre game, you know, a doctor Harriet Ward, professor, and 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.120 he was kind of like a you know, part of 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.360 the organization. And so you know, at this point, like 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.120 I said, I'm kind of like, you know, at the 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.720 height of my career, just tried starting to to really 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.600 make a name for myself. And so we were breakfast 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.880 that morning and so we already knew, like I said, 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.559 this is this is Jerry's last right, right, So we 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.920 were like so he was like, yo, you know, you 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.520 know this is Jerry thing, you know, kind of just 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.599 you know, because they knew I was gonna score or 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.719 possibly celebrate or whatever. He like, you know, kind of 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.520 toned it down a bit. Let this be and I 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.440 was and I was, I was receptive of that. Okay. 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.520 I first, you know, the script of fifteen whatever sixteen 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:28.800 plays man, they had fourteen and fifteen al Jerry all Jerry. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.360 And I wasn't mad at that because I'm like, Okay, 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.080 this is I've witnessed greatness, you know for a number 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:35.920 of years, right, you know, I can imagine like I 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:41.560 can't imagine. Right. So the game plan, you know, as 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:43.920 it unfolded, we weren't the only one that knew that 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.280 this is the Jerry last day. The defensive coordinators knew 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.439 all week, you know what I mean. And then the 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:53.800 defensive players they started doubling him, they started taking shots 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:55.719 setting you know what I mean. And then it got 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:57.439 you know, it was to the point of where it 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.240 it knew they knew, and it felt like we were 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.199 forcing the ball to him, right, and then it got 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.080 to a point at where we weren't really our offense 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.319 was stalling because of what was how the game was unfolding, 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.200 and so they got to the point to where Jeff, 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.160 you know, he had just had to go through his progressions. 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:13.959 You know, if he wasn't double team, if he was 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:15.840 oble team, he had to go. And I was usually 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.480 number two or three in the progression. And that's how 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.679 I ended up with. You know, probably I don't know 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.400 how many catches in there, like the first that hold on. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.319 Then then you have twenty you had, you had twenty 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.439 catches that day two eighty three, and everybody thought you 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.599 had something to do with like hockey, tell do this 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.439 old Jerry's Yeah, exactly like I like I was throwing 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.480 it in catching it, you know what I mean. Uh. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.079 And so for me, man, I just I was a benefactor, 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.320 you know what I mean, just of what he's done 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.480 throughout the course of his career. And again, if I 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.719 would have dropped twenty, you know what I mean, I 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:48.920 would have looked like that the worst, you know, Uh, 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.079 you know, duo part of the duo. Ever, so for me, 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.480 I was just doing my job. And uh as you 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.760 as you know, you know you have duos throughout the 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.760 course of the season. You have number ones and you 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.720 have number twos. And then just just like with my numbers, 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.400 they were very inflated because of what Jerry had done 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.920 throughout the course of his career. You have guys today 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.880 that are benefactors to number ones and then their numbers 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:12.679 at the end of the season are like number ones 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.360 and they think they're a number one, right, but they're 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.679 really not right. So I was just fortunate man to 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.600 just to build on that, and so it was really 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.719 it was kind of symbolic in the sense of just 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.920 passing another torch. Right, did you feel bad because you 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.559 know what you knew having seen Jerry practice ever, having 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.880 seen Jerry practice every single day, know his work ethic. 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.080 He's the one that made everybody in the West Coast. 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.160 You catch a five yard roud, you gotta finish the 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.280 ball forty fifty yards everywhere I went sick. I'm like, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.520 come on, and Mike, Mike was my head coach. So 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.240 when he came back, he brought that I catch, I 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.360 catch a stick rob or I catch a shell of cross, 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.000 I gotta fifish sixty yards and then they call another 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.640 player again. Yeah, well, you know that's how Jerry did it. 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.839 So you saw his work ethic, You know what he 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.240 had done to put in for that land, and everybody 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.400 knew that was gonna be his last game in San Francisco. 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.920 When you go home at night that night and you're 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.680 laying it, but you're like, damn, I had twenty two 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.280 eighty three. What do you did? You feel bad for 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.839 Jerry because you know he wanted it? I no, I honestly, man. 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.600 And that's so that's this is what's so crazy about 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.280 me and football. Like I never thought I would play 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:27.360 beyond the collegiate level, so to play football and become 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:33.600 competitive and learn the little nuances and intricacies of playing 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.880 the receiver position, I was just kind of just learning 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.839 on the fly, right, So I never really I never 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.599 looked that far I head or into it as me 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:48.079 becoming who I became or taken away from Jerry. I 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.439 was just, honestly, I was still learning to position. I 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.959 was so green and so raw that I didn't think 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.000 of it like that, right. I was just looking at 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.319 it as I was doing my job, right, And so 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.079 that's how I looked at it throughout the course of 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.400 my career. And I try to educate guys and let 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.760 these guys know the numbers are going to be there 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.319 if you're doing and you're preparing yourself for whatever position 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.199 that you play. You don't have to worry about the numbers. 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.120 They're gonna take care of take care of itself. And 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.600 so I never really laid laid in my bed at 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:21.880 night thinking, Okay, I took this away from Jerry or whatever. Football. Honestly, 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:23.880 like I said, if I had to say it now, 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:27.240 it was almost like a hobby to me because basketball 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:30.480 was my passion, that was my love. And so just 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.720 with my athletic athletic ability, everything that I did on 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.680 the basketball court, that translated to football. And that's how 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.520 I became, you know, better at the position. Along with 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.640 just the position coaches that I had that instilled in me. 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.360 They saw, they saw the potential in which I was 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.720 drafted with and they kept telling me, like, man, you 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.040 you could be you could be a great one one day. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.000 You could be just like Jerry. You could be better 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.400 than Jerry. Then I found myself trying to emulate and 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.600 do everything that Jerry did. But I had to realize 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.520 and be all realist, like I'm not Jerry, right what 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.080 our body types are totally different. He's up for nas more, 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:10.920 you know, route Chris route runner. For me, I was physical. 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.680 I was rugged. I was raw. I had to fine 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:17.000 tune my game every year all the way to year fifteen. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:22.200 You made some headlines saying that someone reached out to 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.720 you and said, you know what, TL stay in shape, 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.920 we might give you a call. I just had a birthday, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.800 You're forty seven years of age, hadn't played in a decade. 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:40.080 If somebody seriously called you to come, okay, feel We're 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.000 gonna get your workout and if you perform like you 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:46.000 believe you can, we're gonna give you an opportunity, would 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.640 you take it absolutely? I mean, I've always said, I mean, 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.880 even just the way that I departed, not being able 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.880 to really really end on my on you turn. You 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:56.360 know what I mean. You know how that is. I mean, 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.040 And for me, it's it's it's it's it's so crazy 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.840 because I've had colds that and even players that have 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.000 been in position at the end of their careers that 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:09.960 wanted opportunities black and white, and for me to be 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.480 in a situation and see who I am and see 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:17.440 what I'm made of, see what I look like. It's 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.840 perplexing to me that they wouldn't go to bad or like, 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.200 oh I played with this guy, I know what he's 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.960 made of. If anybody can do it, he can do it. 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.920 And what's so funny is like you hear the I 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.760 read the headlines. It's like, oh, Terrell and claim somebody. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.400 First of all, I'm telling the truth. I don't have 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.680 to claim anything. I don't know how you interpret that, 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.600 but it's almost saying it almost seems like I'm lying 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.280 or I'm just making it up. Right, dude, I don't 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.760 have to lie by anything I can show you. Text. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:53.360 Owner approached me. They approached me. I didn't actively go yeah, 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.320 so I haven't actively went out and got an agent 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.200 and shot and tried to play in the league. Owner 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.320 approached me. He all me through a friend of mine 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.000 went to a restaurant and he said, oh, such such 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.440 as an owner, such such as in here. And I'm like, oh, okay, 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.320 I know him. I've met him before. And so I 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:13.359 reintroduced myself and so we're just talking just casually, and 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:15.000 so he looked at me, he goes, man, look like 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.639 you can still play? And I said, I said so, 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.800 And so I said, it's not like I can't play. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.520 I said, under the right circumstances, given an opportunity, I said, 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.600 I probably could play. I said, you think about third 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.440 down situation. As an owner, he knows what I'm talking about, 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.879 third down, red zone. And I go through the season, 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:36.280 I get myself in shape. There's no doubt. He said, Okay, cool. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:41.560 I went back to my table. Five ten minutes later, 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.399 the owner restaurant comes back by and he goes, y'o. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.520 He said, he just asked me. It's TEO series. And 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.159 I looked at me and I'm saying, is he serious. 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.400 He's the one that asked me, right, So that's where 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.760 it all. That's that's where it all started. And so 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.720 he's like, all right, cool, So I own my way out. 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.040 I saw him again. He look, I'm gonna talk to you, 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.960 you know, to the head coach. I'll get I gave 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:06.920 him my number. He said, I get it. I get 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.600 back in touch with you. I was at the hotel 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.560 like the next day, I'm getting ready to leave phone rang. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.359 I missed the call. Call right back was the head coach. 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.320 He ses, oh, here, you talk to us the owner 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.399 blah blah blah. Yes. I talked to him. He's like, 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.120 what do you got going on? I said, yo, He said, 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.400 you know, I look like I can play and I said, coach, 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.080 he knows who I am, he knows what I made it. 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.840 He was, I said, coach, third down, red zone. I 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.000 said as a season wrote, obviously you can use me. However, 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.040 there's no doubt I can. I can't play. He said, 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:37.840 all right, cool, I'm gonna talk to the general manager. 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.359 Blah blah blah. So then he talks to the general manager. 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.760 And at some point the general manager texts my old phone, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.160 which I hadn't used, and I don't know how long, 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.440 and I just so happened and I'm back in Florida. 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.240 I plugged the phone up. I see a message from 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.560 the general manager, like three weeks ago. They had asked 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.720 me to come in to speak to the young receivers. 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:59.480 So I kind of got nervous. I'm like a man, 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.800 did I missed opportunity? Right? So I reached back out 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.760 to him. I dropped a yo, you, this is Terrell. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.880 You reached out to an old phone. And then I said, 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:09.520 I saw you asked me about coming and talking and 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:10.840 I said, yeah, I would have loved it, said I 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.200 didn't know if that was a way of them bringing 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.760 me in to work me out as well as talked 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:20.359 to receivers, and so long story short, Shandon end up 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.360 talking to the general manager maybe a couple of weeks 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.760 after that. Actually, on my way back from Jackson State, 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.080 I had gone to DNS camp. I had ran rout 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.399 some and so I talked to him and so he 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.840 was like yo. So it was mixed signals, mixed messages 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.920 because the owners telling me one thing. Basically, the head 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.680 coach based kind of just kind of stepped back and 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.280 he's like, Okay, now it's general manager owner, right. So 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.359 it was a little kind of just when taken out 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.000 of my sale because the information I got from the 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:55.480 general manager wasn't with the So I got kind of discouraged. 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.919 Cause at this point, I've been working out about three 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:01.800 or four weeks, right, I get me. I'm I'm grinding right, 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.960 going to my going to my PT, I'm giving me 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.840 need everything right, and so I talk. So then I'm 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.560 I'm kind of frustrated. I call one of my receiver 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.040 coaches who's now a head coach, and I tell him 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.840 about it, and he could tease like tea. He's like, 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.000 I can tell him your boy. He said, you're ready. 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.160 He said, I know you're serious about it. And I said, yeah. 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.880 I said, they approached me. He approached me about it, right, 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:25.840 So he said, he said, this is what I do, said, 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:27.359 this is what I advise you to do. He said, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.520 reach out back to him and see what he says. Right. 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.520 So I called text the owner and I said, look, 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.720 I said texting and I said, look, I just want 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:37.680 to know. I said, just give me a call and 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:39.240 I just talk about this. Man to man, I said, 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.120 because I've been working out training bl bla blah blah. 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.359 Do them want this to be just but nothing? Talk 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.320 to him and he said look, and I said, I 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.160 know you're the owner. And I said, now you got people, 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.720 you know in place to do their job. And I said, 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:53.200 at the end of the day, I know they don't 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.080 want to overstep you don't want to overstep your bounds. 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:56.360 But I said, but you're the owner of the team. 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.439 I said, end of the day, you're the owner. Right. 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.760 So he said, look, Gerald, don't he said, I'm gonna 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:06.280 talk to coach. There's not another He said, just keep 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:10.320 doing what you're doing. And that's what I'm banking on. Okay. 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:12.000 So at the end of the day, like I said, 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:17.280 I I get discouraged when I hear people like yourself 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.320 say to what he can't do it back when we 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:23.280 were talking earlier, you can't say I can't do because 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.200 you haven't seen it done. If you haven't seen me 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.760 do it, you can't just scount me accounting and say 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:31.560 I can't do it. At the end of the day, 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.560 nobody plays the game to get hit. No, no, you 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:37.560 know what I mean. But like I said, I get it. 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.840 Your spighty senses. Your spighty senses went away, you know, 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.639 because But but you can, you can get those things 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.199 back in tune, like I said. Like I said, it's 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.879 not it's not an overnight like I've been training, right, 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:52.480 It ain't like I just been sitting on the couch 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:56.600 and now I'm just jumping. No, no, no, even right, 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.760 It wasn't for me. It's not about shape, because I 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.120 know you've been training. I've been running. For me, it's 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.600 about being away from the game for over a decade. 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:09.800 I mean, Tim Tebow got an opportunity, he's been away. 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:12.840 Granted he made me yet, but back it doesn't. Marrit, 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.000 you been that. I didn't do that. Come on you already, 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.439 you already know better than that. Come on you already. 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.040 I could have paid it tight end and and and 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.480 gave a little bit better effort than than what that was. 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:29.000 Come on, ain't, I ain't. I'm not busy, You're gonna 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:34.440 come back. And exactly, that's where I feel like he 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:36.560 was at a different disabandon and I think that's where 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:41.280 the hoop was at, was that he's been given preferential 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:48.240 treatment because it's privileged. That's where that conversation was was 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:53.120 was that with that? But for me, trust me, I'll 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.240 bet the opportunity. I want to see it. But that's 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.119 where people in your position, I want to see it. 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:01.120 Now you got you got me convinced that you could 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.680 do it, so I want to see it. I want 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:05.159 to see it at the end of the day, man, 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.000 Like I said, That's why I said I put in 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:08.919 the video. I mean the guys that have been been 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.280 helping me, Like I said, I haven't told anybody, Like 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:17.280 everybody's just been wondering, Okay, why why is these videos? Right? Yeah? Exactly, 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:21.159 they are, Like I said, they are. The owner approached me. 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:25.640 You want fifteen Twitter players a game, that's it. Wherever 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:28.200 I can help a team, trust my knowledge of the 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:31.320 game is what's gonna separate me. From the others that 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.040 anybody else. And I want to be able to help 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:36.960 groom some of those guys that you know people say that, 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:39.840 you know, resemble my play, my build, whatever, or just 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.480 you know, expanding. But you want to go to a 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.040 chance join when you could possibly win. You want to 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.080 go to some teams? Yeah exactly, But I mean, like 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:48.800 I said, there are some teams. I'm sure that's on 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:50.880 the custom they may. Like I said, I still feel 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.640 like I'm I could be an X factor. You believe 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:55.400 you help put the team all the talk I feel 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:59.280 I do feel like, I Yeah, what really Abdu this 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:04.720 year last year with the back Buccaneers? What really not 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.720 the you could do that? What? What? What did he 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.720 really do? Look at this and look what is this stats? 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.600 Somebody give me his stats. I think ab and and 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.639 I'm not taking forty three had forty three catches for 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:19.639 about like five hundred yards I think five four or 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:21.480 five hundred yards. So you're trying to say that I 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:26.000 can't do that till on ab thirty is thirty three, 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.480 thirty four. When I was thirty seven, they had twenty 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.160 years uh, guys ten years younger to me. They said 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:34.280 I was over the Hill, It don't matter what what 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:36.720 you know the definition of faith? Come on now, you 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.639 just told me while ago. And this is why I 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:42.840 get discouraged, Because you have a platform, because people hear 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:47.280 what you have to say. They listen to your voice. Man, 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:51.640 you want to go out there, man till you've accomplished everything. 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:54.280 But if I can still do it and I can, 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:58.159 trust me, man, I this is this is not me 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:00.560 just man. I might be one of the best athletes 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.399 the world. Problem has never really ever seen. I'm not gonna. 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:06.480 I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna die at I just 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:09.639 ain't seen you. I know you can play. You can. 0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.560 I mean anything you sent your mind toil, you could do. 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.200 That's why you became who you became, because you sent 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:17.440 your mind says Okay, well I can be better. Oh yeah, 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.640 I can do that. I can be better. JA Trust me, man, 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:25.680 you just need to the guys that worked me out, 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:28.480 they trip out at the things that I've that I've done, 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:31.040 and they know who I am and they've saw they've seen, 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:35.360 they've seen my highlights. Do just with my work as dude, 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:38.120 Trust me, I want to see it now. I hope 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:44.000 they call you. I hope they call you. I hope 0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:45.679 they call you. That's gonna be the first topic when 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:47.240 you go back, when you go there, that gonna be 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.399 our first topic the next day. I like the way 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.000 you said that when like now you're starting to speak 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.640 things into existing. I like it. You go back, gonna 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:57.720 be our birth day. I like that. I like that. 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:00.440 You're my dog, you always have been all we will 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.600 be bro. You know, I got you. Let's get the 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:11.920 current receivers. Who is who reminds Julio. I'm gonna say 0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:17.920 one receiver body of TiO Julio. I mean obviously you 0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:21.920 got DK Mattcalf. He's young, he's evolving, he's still young. 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.200 You see the potential there. What about A J. Brown? 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.240 I don't think he is fast as you though he's 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.640 coming on too, like yeah, he's definitely making some noise. 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:33.560 Like I said, These are guys, like I said, but 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:35.760 he about to take that next step with right exactly. 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:38.840 So it's gonna be consistency with these young guys when 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:42.040 we start, you know, we get in the discussion about 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.160 these guys that are not even in you know, played 0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:49.320 five years yet they start talking about Hall of Fame. Yeah, 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:53.280 it's consistency. That's how you get into the Hall of Fame. 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.000 It's just your it's your body of work. Right. Yeah, 0:26:56.040 --> 0:27:00.240 everybody always bringing up Odell Beckham Junior, tremendous talent. He 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:02.639 made that one catch. We're in the age of social 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.720 media when why for everybody knows, people have been China 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:08.840 probably know who who Odell is, right because but in 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.760 order for him to make those leaps and bound, it's 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:15.480 gonna be consistency. And as you've seen, like injuries are 0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:17.600 a part of the game, he's had one injury. You 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:20.280 got a rebound from that. Now let's pick up, pick 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.240 up from where he left out where he was playing 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.399 on with the Giants. So for all these guys that 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:29.000 you know that that have the Aja Browns, the dj 0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:36.480 K matcalfs Uh, the DeVante Adams, these guys, they are 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:41.359 on their way. They're paving their way to Canton. Who's 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:43.560 the best receiver in the game right now? You get 0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:49.080 one the best receiver right now, general manager, general manager 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.359 cover you say, Teo, I'm going with I gotta go 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.960 with Julio. I gotta go with Julio. It's either him 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:58.600 Antonio Brown. I can't no matter what I'm taking the 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:01.720 trouble stuff that I'm leaving off. I'm leaving it's just 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.280 like the Hall of Fame. I have to leave that off. Okay, 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:08.119 before all of this stuff happened, Ye, who was in 0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:12.320 Tonio Brown with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, Oh he was special, Okay, 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:15.520 no question. So that now you see what I'm I take. 0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:20.680 Like I said, the outside stuff I separated. Okay, and 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:23.280 Tonio Brown before all of this, he was the top, 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.520 one of the top receivers before all this stuff start 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:29.240 going on. Would you agree? I would? I absolutely agree. Okay, 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.560 So that's yeah, I mean to do it probably one 0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:35.879 hundred and thirty catches. And that's where I and that, 0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:38.240 and that's how I see it. But sometimes he didn't. 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.720 He didn't realize how good he had at I talked 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:43.760 to Antonio Brown when all that stuff was going on, 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.920 and I got where you came. I got where he 0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:53.240 was coming from with our conversations. Being a six round pick, 0:28:53.480 --> 0:29:06.760 coming from small college, establishing and building, uh really the 0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:11.000 statue of a person and player and the caliber person 0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:14.720 that that he was becoming. He saw for so many 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:20.080 years the star treatment that the quarterback was getting. Yeah, 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.400 and he wasn't getting it, but he was doing equal. 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:27.720 He was just as important. He felt as important. You 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:31.880 never gonna get the treatment the quarterbacks I said. We 0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:35.560 had conversations, and I said, whatever your issues are, I said, bro, 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:37.640 you He was like, what should I said? Do you 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:41.440 know you know being better than I do? Right, you've 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.400 been there for nine years or whatever. You should have 0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:46.840 some type of rapport with him to pull him to 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:49.840 the side. You say, y'all kids, y'a've had dinners, wives, 0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:53.640 go out of it. I can't tell you you've been there. 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.600 You shouldn't know how to approach him to have that 0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.720 conversation because if there was something said slight in a 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:04.360 the interview that you felt was wrong or whatever, you say, yeah, absolutely, 0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:07.160 And that's that was my advice to him, because I mean, 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:09.760 throwing you one hundred and thirty passes a year, I 0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:12.240 mean he throwing you one hundred and eighty one hundred 0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:15.000 and ninety targets a year, you're getting fifteen hundred and 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.280 seventeen hundred yards. Yeah, but he felt like he was 0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.360 he wasn't getting that that that that start treating d O. 0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:22.840 You know you don't get that the quarterbacks there, I 0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.440 get I get it, dude. I mean we all go 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.440 through it. I mean I went through it to an extent. 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.240 But I used to see John not practice it. I'm like, man, 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.040 I can't wait to get to get to a certain 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:35.520 age and I won't have to practice. Oh well, I 0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.160 mean sometimes it happened, sometimes it didn't. T D was 0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.960 the same way TV got not didn't have to pray. 0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:44.440 I'm like, okay, it is my brains and stuff like. Yeah, 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:48.360 but see that where where players getting the problem? You 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:51.000 start judging off of what somebody else is getting or 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.160 what somebody else is doing. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what 0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.080 gets you in trouble. For me, I didn't have that problem. 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:58.160 I like to work. It didn't matter me. Yeah, I 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.640 told you had to tell me not the press, because 0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:02.520 I need to work on my cray like these guys 0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:05.560 not playing in preseason. I needed preseason, right. But that's 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:08.640 but outside of that, this is the problem that I 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.280 had was how I was being treated by my coaching 0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:13.959 certain situation. You weren't worried about what what Steve got 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:16.560 treated like this, man, I got TREATD like that. Just 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.160 treat me like I'm a human. Yeah exactly, And I 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.240 feel like yeah, at some point, treat me like the 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.280 star that I am. And I know that there's gonna 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:27.200 be some some tears. Treat me as you know, as 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.880 guys you know, get better and as they established their careers. 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:34.200 But I didn't you know they treat man, trust me, bro, 0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:37.600 They treat you like who's a rookie? Trust me man. 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:42.200 My my coach has even told me stuff man. So yeah, 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:50.720 Prime TiO racing the prime DK Metcalf whom I saw 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:56.760 DK runs a big hen but he was Yeah. But 0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:58.760 if you look at something my highlights ro I'm chilling. 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.880 I wasn't known from my bet, but there are some 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:04.360 highlights where I've come from the backside all the way 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.640 just to spring my guys. Hey keep talking to her 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:11.080 against New York jets. Hey, I got some jets. Shanning trusted. 0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:13.160 I just looked like this. I try to tell Pi. 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.880 I just looked like this. I can cover some ground. 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:21.200 I can ask Julio. I can slide. I can slide, Shannon, 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:26.320 I like now I can slide who They've been talking 0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:29.960 going back and forth on social media? You same boat 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.520 and Tyreek Ye, he need to stop, man, they need 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:39.600 a drug test. Tyreek Hill forty yards forty yards Gold 0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:44.360 medal versus Super Bowl rings? Now who you fun after that? 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.800 After that statement, I'm surprised he hasn't gotten drug tested 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:53.360 about five times. I'm surprised he hadn't going to the 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.240 meetia and telling about he didn't got drugs. T tyed 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.240 to getting drug tested because he's on He ain't right 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:02.360 back in a four not a semit Because you say 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.840 this is suggesting they run seventy meters, Tyreek says forty 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.760 a forty yard dash. You don't think Tyreek and get it. 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.960 He might, it'll be close. I said it'll be close 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:17.680 in forty, not no. Seven. He can't touch him in 0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:23.200 the sevment. He can cancel Christmas if I don't care 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.560 what he put at that seven yard line. That's seventy 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:30.440 meters on that line. He can put eighty million. He's 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:33.720 gonna get that before who same boat get there? No, 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:39.360 say no, sir, Ree Bibby, Jimmy. You you raised Tyreek 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:46.200 a couple of years ago. Is Reek the fast? He's quick, 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.280 He's quick, He's quick and fast. Yeah, he's quick and fast. 0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:52.160 I've never seen anybody to celebrate like him, No, absolutely, 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:54.880 And I've seen some guys. I was in the league 0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:57.680 when Sam Graddy. Sam Graddy was a silver medal in 0:33:57.720 --> 0:33:59.360 the eighty four Olympics. I was in the league with him. 0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.720 Murmur from James Jett was on the relay team to 0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:05.080 win the gold medal in ninety two. So I've seen 0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:11.920 some guys run Dad. People people don't realize how Look 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:16.080 if you you play d G Darl Green Green run too, Yeah, 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:19.440 I heard, yeah, Dark Green run. Ron Brown was also 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:22.719 who also was in the Olympics, and I think eighty four, 0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:24.560 I think he wanted the bronze. He might have won 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:26.520 the bronze medal. I think we might have swept the 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.919 medal medal that year, or he might have been eighty 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.120 eight that he wanted to bron So I've seen some guys, 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.759 but I don't know if I've ever seen anybody accelerate 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.839 like you can see it. Yes, when you're watching the game, 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.360 you can see the acceleration. Yes, And there's such a 0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:48.120 distinctive difference in the speed in which he runs that 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:53.000 it's it's obvious, right because those guys are track guys 0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.680 that happen to play football. Tyreka is a football player 0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:59.880 that has legit track speed, and I know that's me. 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.440 I'm back and forth with Marquetes Goodwin and all these 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:05.800 guys are supposed to be be fast, all of the 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.359 guys quick. He is, he's cat quick and he's he's 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:11.960 he mean if people don't realize like he like he 0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:16.000 put together he because track guys. They talk about a 0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:19.359 pound for pounds. Yeah a that that's what I'm saying. 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:21.520 A pound for pound like receiver, that's him. You talk 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:26.359 about a pound for pound boxer. That's Tyreek in your 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.440 Did you ever have a did y'all have a scrimmages 0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:31.239 when you were in training camp? Did y'all play, you know, 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:35.160 scrimmag against other team? Ye? Ye? Did you get I 0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.360 don't know if you saw you saw a b getting 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.360 the other day? Did you see the Cleveland situation to 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.160 day Cleveland, Cleveland and the Giants? No, I didn't. I 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.719 don't want to watch football like that. I don't check 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:49.920 this out. The practice is over the field clear. They 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:53.680 come back out there h sterling shepherd on the dB 0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:59.080 and try to throw blows after the practice, so they 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:03.640 organized up. Ain't don't worry about this here after practice 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:05.080 because the coach told him he want to help want 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:07.759 no more, no more fighting during practice. If they hold 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:11.320 that after practice, so they found a loophole after practice 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:15.560 to see me till they take it. Look, they just 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:19.279 maddened into their own hands. I've never heard of that. 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.880 I mean, you hear guys like basketball, like you know, 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.640 they get they they go to the showers and they 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.759 catch them going to the bus and they'll you know, yeah, 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.080 but did you did you did you have them? Did 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:38.960 you ever get into it tustl in a in a practice? Na? Na, 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:42.040 I was. I was probably too tired to do all 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.359 of that. See that's what I said. I said, holdo, 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.160 if you got out the energy of the practice, all 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:47.920 the energy of the fight, you ain't practicing hard enough. 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:51.920 S I would man I man, I was trying to 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.440 perfect my craft. I was just trying to be the 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:58.279 best number one receiver. Wherever I tried to be the best, 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.360 and I my practice happens that I I was always 0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.239 I've always been a work work type of guy. My 0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:06.719 work ethic was always there. And then that's why when 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:10.200 I got to the Niners, everybody saw the similarities and 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.160 Jerry and but Jerry always wanted to be a receiver. 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:17.120 That was his passion for me. I just kind of adopted, 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:22.239 you know, and tried to enhance upon what my potentials were, 0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:24.759 and I became better. And like I said, I in 0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:27.640 order to be good at something, you gotta keep, you 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.960 gotta work it. And so that's that's what it was doing. 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.799 I was molding myself to become so like the best 0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.239 receiver that I could be, you know, taking everything that 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:40.200 I uh, you know that I could around me, even 0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:43.759 from other receivers that came free agents. I watched slot guys. 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:45.880 I watched how they got over, you know, even the 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:47.680 slow white guy that would get open. I'm like, how 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:49.920 do you guys getting known? There was something about it 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.680 about the ability that would make them get open. So 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:55.359 I would watch them. I would watch all different type 0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.600 of guys. If you would drive me in the first, second, third, 0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:00.359 foll around, it don't matter. I watched how you ran 0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:02.520 roups and how you got how you got open. Do 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:08.160 you wish they had social media? Oh? I would be 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:12.600 a star boy. People already know me, but I would 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.120 be bro. I would be a megastar, like I would 0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:17.919 have millions of followers. No, no, that myself and Chad 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.560 the way that we entertained how we engage with the fans. 0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:22.920 And I'm not saying that as a you know, to 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:26.120 be arrogant, but just how we entertain and how we 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:30.360 we are very charismatic and I understand the entertainment, I 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:34.000 understand the business other game, and so how we intertwined 0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.880 and how we engage with you know, just the fans. 0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.680 And now with social media, it would it would be crazy, dude, 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.239 would you be going back and forth? Because a lot 0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.440 of times we see guys, a guy on the offense 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:48.440 or the defense, or we see guys. Would you be 0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.560 going back and forth? Man, I would probably have one 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:56.520 caption for them all weeks. Get your popcorn ready, That's 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:58.840 all I would probably have to say. Right, And I 0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:00.680 said it. I mean I said it on sideline, like 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:03.560 if you I never people think that I talked trash. 0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:06.080 And when I tell you like what you always, yes, 0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:08.960 you did. If you think about the highlights that you've seen, 0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:11.759 You've never seen me on the field going back and forth. 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.120 It's always been on the sideline when I'm talking to 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.680 because I know the camera's on me. Right, even when 0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:21.640 we were warming up, right, I remember with the Cowboys, 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.880 my mama, shit, Mama, that got these cameras on me. 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.000 I knew what I was, I knew what I was doing, 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.160 and I wanted to engage. I wanted to have fun 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:32.400 with the game. And that's what I missed really now, 0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:35.120 Like I wish I would have, I would have had 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:37.840 more fun right with the game, But it was just 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:43.200 I was so so concentrated on really just become and 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:46.240 just honeing on just like I had that relentless pursuit 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:48.399 of just trying to be as good as I wanted. 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:52.239 Would you be tiktoking? Like nah? I mean, if you're 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:56.000 gonna TikTok, you got to back it up. Hey, if 0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:59.799 you're gonna TikTok, you got to back it up. Mann. 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:01.400 You see, they knock the stuff with out of uh. 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:06.160 That's what made it so Corvette. Corvette got mad. He 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:08.960 was doing all of that pre game. It was premeditated. 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:13.880 But then you came back it up. It looks embarrassing. 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:17.880 It does. So, I mean, like I said, everybody, I 0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.200 mean they think they want it. They think they want 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:23.160 that line. Everybody think they everybody think the number one 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:25.840 right with number one getting all the coverage, he getting 0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:28.319 the number one dB, the defensive cordin they just stand 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:29.960 up late at night trying to come up with schemes. 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:32.200 Through the sky's the way to roll to roll coverageoe 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:34.239 way and take you away. And you're just getting you 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.680 getting the third dB, you getting the fourth dB, and 0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.560 you're putting a yeah, I'm that dog right because you're 0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:45.160 it's it's your numbers are skewed. Yes, they're they're they're 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:48.120 they're legit, but it's skewed because you have to look 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:50.520 at how you got those numbers. And then as soon 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:52.560 as they as soon as you getting Pat p and 0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:55.080 you're getting John here Alexander, and you get Marshawn Lattimore 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.240 and you getting those top dollars, you getting Jalen Ramsey, 0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:00.120 you get step On Gilmore all of a sudden, the 0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.440 sign of a good receiver on a pet like you 0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:06.440 gotta do it with and without. Yeah, and you get 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:10.600 you gotta do you. You gotta create, make plays, double teams, 0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:16.040 make plays. I remember talking to talking to the A B. 0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:19.200 He was frustrated. I said, AB, you can't be so 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:22.960 consumed about what he's not doing or the balls are 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:26.080 not coming your way. I say, bro, make the most 0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:28.560 of the balls to come. That's it. And and That's 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:30.920 what he started doing because he was he was struggling 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:33.279 because he felt like they were going away from him. 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:37.520 They were intentionally going away from him, feeding juju, right, 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:40.759 and he was open and rightfully so sometimes right, but 0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.719 I said, dude, that's something you can't. You gonna lose 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:47.160 that battle. I said, dude, just make the most of 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.200 when those balls coming your way. And that's what he 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:51.880 started doing. He started taking a little little going to 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:54.000 the top, if that's what you gotta do. Though, I 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.279 got the name Big play Shape because once I got 0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.200 to Baltimore, I wasn't getting featured like I was in Denver. 0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:02.520 I get one player game to the house I'm going 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.160 and then over time, yeah, the offensive corner. That ain't 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:10.560 we gotta this this guy more balls? What's your favorite dance? 0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:14.440 The pomp pomp to sign it, the dancing with the cheerleaders, 0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:18.759 get the popcorn. I know I ain't gonna do that. 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:20.080 I ain't gonna do that. I ain'ta do that now, 0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:21.719 I ain't gonna do that. I ain't gonna do ray 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:24.360 like that. But I had I had fun that week that. 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:26.800 I had fun that week doing that. But now that 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:31.880 the best I think the most creative probably was me 0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:35.719 signing the sharp sharp and then impromptu was like the 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:37.839 popcorn at the back of the I catched the ball 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.560 at the back of the end zone and the fans 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:42.520 was right there, and I just saw the popcorn. You know, 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:44.840 you see the picture with me, and then obviously the 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:49.359 most probably talked about me going to the Star. Yeah, 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.040 but I mean, man, you can you imagine. Oh man, 0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:55.279 I'm telling you imagine if you put that up, if 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:58.440 you had Instagram and you had Twitter back, I'm telling 0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:02.360 you that fly got that. He got ten millions. You 0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:07.640 think Kim Kardashian breaking the internet? Man, it wouldn't. It 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:12.000 would be, it'd be, it'd be something awful. A few 0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:14.680 months back, one of your best friends did celebrity boxing. 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:21.480 We've seen Nate Robinson do it. You sure he did it? Well? Okay, tifted, Yeah, 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:27.239 you're tipted. Nate Robinson, Chad Ochosinko, You and Ochosinko very 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:30.880 good friends. Have you thought about doing a celebrity boxing mat, Well, 0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:33.359 let's just talk about his performance. Okay, let's talk about 0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:38.839 his performance. I commended him on what he did right, 0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:43.360 and honestly, like I was, I wasn't nervous too nervous. 0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:45.239 I just didn't want him to go in there and 0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:47.319 not take it serious. Right, Oh yeah, cause you get 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.719 hurt because I know, I know how he is, and 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:51.839 I know he's a showman, right, you know what I mean? 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:53.719 And he was he was he was going against a 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:56.560 bare knuckle right fighter. But he's going to get somebody 0:43:56.600 --> 0:44:00.279 to actually fight. You ain't no celebrity, celebrity celebrity right. Yeah. 0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.320 So I you know, when I went to to to 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.080 the arena and I saw him, and as soon as 0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:07.319 I saw him, I'm like, Okay, this is for real, right, 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.320 So I went in there. I went in the arena 0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:13.160 and I was like, man, I was about to go ahead, 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.640 about to do this. Yeah, And so I went to 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:17.440 went to the dressing room and I saw him. He 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:21.320 was in not hitting the back. I say, oh, this 0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:24.759 is real now I'm talking about it got me kind 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.319 of like oh, So I'm like, man, this is real. 0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:28.880 So when I when I saw him, I said, hey, 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:31.760 first thing I told I said, yo, respect the sport. 0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:36.320 Owe you out of obvious that way, because I wanted 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:40.320 When I was driving down there, I'm like, well, what 0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:41.759 can I say? You know what I mean? That he 0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:45.160 hasn't heard from anybody. That was the thing that came 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:47.360 to my respect the sport. And I'm like, man, I 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:51.160 remember what Nate Robinson did, Like we saw what boxers 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:55.000 that has, you know, the beating and everything that that 0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:58.640 even even some of the best boxers, right, make one 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:02.279 mistake in his cur So obviously you don't know all 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:04.600 the entry things, but you know, you throw the points, 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:06.080 get your hands back up. You know a lot of 0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:08.480 people keep the hands down, right. Yeah, So that that 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:10.879 was the first thing in But I had confidence because 0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:13.719 I know Chad has been training some stuff, but not 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:16.600 to the point of Okay, he's really getting right. So, 0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:18.400 like I said, that was my first words tune was 0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:22.920 like respect the sport and and so man he did. 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.960 He did a tremendous job. Went four rounds and uh 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:27.960 he got grazed a little bit, but he got right 0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:31.000 back up. But you know, talking that was the hardest, 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:34.680 the toughest eight minutes of his life because you got 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:37.680 to be in tip top, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.200 People don't understand because when I first got out here, 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:42.120 I did some you know, did some boxing. I didn't 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:44.719 spire anything like that, but just hit the mis hitting 0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:47.759 the bag, you know, just it's like a full body work. 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:50.040 That's like swimming on that because the first thing when 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:53.000 you get tired, you drop, drop your hands and get 0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:57.600 all of this is exposed. All this right here is exposed. 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:00.520 And if you got somebody that's in shape that condition, 0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:05.600 oh boy, this is canvas. This is canvas. And they've 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:07.399 been the paint a picture. You start breathing, You start breathing. 0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.520 Have you start breathing out your mouth, your mouth open, 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:11.840 and then the jaws loose and then boom there you go, 0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:15.479 face down. Right. But I get, I get, he did great. 0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:18.080 I'll talk about you what you gonna do? So so 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.480 I think maybe a week or so after that, I'm 0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:23.600 I'm at home. I get a text. It's about I'm 0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:27.640 in Florida about about eleven o'clock at night. Okay, it's 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:31.520 Brandon Marshall. Yeah, the one that wants to race me too. 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:39.440 So he texts me out of the blue and he goes, yo, dude, 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:43.840 you want to fight me for two million dollars? And 0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:48.120 I'm thinking just joking, right, So my response is because 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:51.759 he already don't backed out of two races, right, And 0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:54.479 I'm sorry, I'm not really taking him serious at this point. 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:57.520 So my response to him, Shannon, I said, I'll knock 0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:02.040 your ass out for an extra two millions. And I 0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.520 was that serious based on the other stuff because he 0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:06.399 didn't had me training the race and all this other 0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:09.400 stuff and keep keep backing out, putting money up this 0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:11.520 and that and the other. So that was my response, 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:13.680 broad knocked your ass out for extra two man. He go, no, no, no, 0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:15.640 I'm serious. I'm sitting here, I'm talking with the CEO 0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:19.239 of trailer and he was like, I said, he said, 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.200 you want to do it or not? I said, I said, 0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:22.840 you know why I am asked you if you're serious, 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:25.640 I said, just let me know. He so he said, 0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:29.680 we're thinking about doing it in November. So long story short, 0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:32.160 I haven't heard from him since. But you don't be 0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:36.320 Mars box real though. But I'm not finna just trained. 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:38.280 I've already been training and doing all this other stuff 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:39.640 and he ain't. But you gotta go get a real 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:44.640 boxing trainer. The people that trained chat they because that's 0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:46.680 the first thing that people would ask. They were asking 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.359 me when I would ringside, I had people asking tell 0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:51.640 you next, you next? And then I had one guy 0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:54.200 that's like, Yo, this is gonna be fun. There's like, uh, 0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:56.279 if you had to fight it, and who who would you? Who? 0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:57.680 Who would you? Who would you? Who would you want 0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:05.920 to fight? I said Donovan McNabb And I'm dead serious, Shannon, 0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:08.800 I'll knock him out because it'd be so much so 0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:13.919 I were going there, I know I'll be controlled, It'll 0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:16.560 be controlled, angry. I'd be like a I'd be like 0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:19.920 a Navy seal. I'd be a navor seer because you 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:24.000 know they cool coming under all conditions. But there would 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:26.160 be a fire burning inside of me. So you were 0:48:26.200 --> 0:48:29.319 literally trying to knock the man out clean. I knocked 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:35.520 chunky suit from him from from from two thousand folk. 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:42.319 Trust me, all the hard ache, all the hard ache 0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.040 and all the stuff that I don't went through being 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:47.920 a nice and it's come me trying to be the 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:51.719 nice guy. That's me being a nice. I know you, 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:55.680 and I know you Dad, and serious, Shannon, I promise 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:58.439 you and I know like going in there, you can't 0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:00.600 just go in there just reckons, Brandon, No, No, you 0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:03.759 gotta be you gotta be strategic. Yes, you gotta be strategic. 0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:07.560 Everything walk into something. But trust me, bleeve me you 0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:11.440 that would be my intent. Man, you're gonna take you 0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:15.600 take this seriously when you play football, absolutely, because I 0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:20.800 didn't even football really was was a hobby, right. Just 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:22.880 think if I would have prioritized that, if that was 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.640 if I was like Jerry growing up and wanting to 0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:30.080 play play football. This like, yeah, give me the proper training. 0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:32.479 Like I talked to it. You know somebody this his training. 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:34.279 He's like, yo, if you're weal to serious, just let 0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:37.040 me know. So you know, I said, it hasn't come up. 0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:39.000 I'm not going to just do no unnecessary. But I 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:41.840 made you start taking some lessons just to kind of familiarize, 0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:48.640 familiarize myself because somebody like me, bro, i'd be like 0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:53.160 Roy Jones. I'd be like Roy Jones. I'd be entertaining. 0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:54.759 But you gotta be smarter than that too. At the 0:49:54.800 --> 0:50:01.279 same absolutely, trust me, I trust. But like I said, 0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:03.880 we have about somebody, somebody you haven't gotten there yet. 0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:06.520 Somebody gonna go actually go go and go and proposition 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:08.640 you about about fight you No, no, no, I mean 0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:10.880 they have it. It's been some people zab Julians and 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:13.000 other guy didn't reaching my DM and you know I'm 0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:17.560 doing some reoxes, I know, but like I said, it's 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:19.560 been like celebrities stuff, you know what I mean. But 0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:21.759 I just haven't really like I said, it wasn't really 0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:24.440 on my radar at that time. Like I said, Like 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:26.600 I said, it wasn't really about the money, like I said, Yeah, 0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:29.359 I'm like, oh yeah, but it's not really you fight 0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:32.520 for two million, yeah, like yeah, so that was a 0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:34.640 number that that how much how much you to take 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:40.720 you to fight Downovan Canna Party median, some crafts, Canna 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.759 Party Media, and some crackers and a bottle of eighty 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:50.520 one on the way up. Eighty one on the way happened. 0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:55.840 It started off so well in San France, and you 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:58.439 were going to be the heir apparent. You were gonna 0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:01.799 be what I wasn't gonna be the Aaron parent. They 0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:04.360 were looking at JJ Stokes right well, yeah, when they 0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:08.520 drafted him number one over the first first round drafting, 0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:11.440 right right. But when you look at it and you 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:15.279 you have Steve, you go to Jeff. Obviously, Jeff is 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:17.680 not Steve Young Steve Stevens of the Hall of Fame, 0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:20.320 but Jeff was a very good quarterback. Jeff made several 0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:24.239 Pro Bowls. What happened in San Francisco? How did it? 0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:27.920 How did it? How did it go so bad so quickly? 0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:37.800 You're supposed that's been fifteen there. I think the coaching 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:41.840 staff there when when I when I say coaching staff, 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:47.400 I'm talking many, probably coach Marucci. They saw probably the 0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:52.560 fast evolve I guess evolvement of my game. I became 0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:57.360 a little bit more of a personality charismatic because the 0:51:57.400 --> 0:52:00.880 first few few years I was just learning the position quiet, right, 0:52:01.000 --> 0:52:02.080 you know what I mean. I was just trying to 0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:06.000 find my way. And then you know, confidence is everything, 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:08.360 and so and then, like I said, you know, I 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:12.400 had this defense mechanism, you know, I chip on my shoulder, 0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:15.040 you know, in a sense. And then you know, things 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:17.320 just started unfolding. You know. I felt like I was 0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:21.279 being treatedly different, treated differently by coach Marriage versus some 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:24.200 other coaches. That were some things that happened, you know, 0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:27.239 during you know, during my time there that I had 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:31.280 to go and I address it to Bill Wals because 0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:33.480 of I felt like I was just being treated differently, 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.719 and uh that's and I think that's where things kind 0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:38.839 of just fell off, kind of fell off the tracks 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:43.879 there you had a personality. But because Jerry's there, Steve's there, 0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:46.640 You're trying to find your footing, trying to find your knit. 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.879 Now all of a sudden, Okay, I belong here. Yeah. 0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:54.879 Not only do I belong here, I'm I can beat 0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:58.200 a man here. So now you have the confidence. So 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:00.920 now that I can really show the real Teo, I 0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:02.560 don't have to be quiet. I don't have to be 0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:05.920 you know, aloof, I can let people see my real 0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:09.480 person that let everybody see who the real terroll Owen's is. Yeah, 0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:12.320 because that was that was how people saw me and 0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:16.000 our I was characterized. I was described. You know, when 0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:18.719 media talked to my teammates, a lot of them said 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:21.480 I was quiet, I was aloof right, I was stand offish, 0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:24.600 and that wasn't that was the farthest from the truth, 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:26.800 you know. Yeah, That's how I grew up, you know, 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:29.040 in a household where you know, I was raised by 0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:31.759 my grandmother, didn't really get to interact. So it's sort 0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:33.960 of like I was socially awkward in a bit, right. 0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:37.760 But if you ask my teammates, you know, with every team, 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.800 they would tell you I'm I'm a joy to be around. 0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:43.160 I like to have fun. What they saw, what what 0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:46.239 the teo in the locker room was different than the 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:48.960 teo that the media got an opportunity to see. Yeah, absolutely, 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:50.960 And I think you know when the media came and 0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:54.520 they asked certain individuals and then maybe some people didn't 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:57.040 like me, right, and they gave them a different version 0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:59.080 of what somebody else would say, and they took that 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:01.439 in their ran with it. Why didn't why didn't they ask? 0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:04.759 It's hard for me to believe that in the locker room. 0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:08.000 But fifty three guys, only the guys that ever got 0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:10.880 interviewed were the guys that didn't dislike you, that dislike you, 0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:13.160 Why weren't some of the guys that like It's hard 0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:15.000 for me to believe that. So in every locker room 0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:18.360 this man went in, nobody liked it right exactly, because 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:20.160 all I hear about is the guys that did well. 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:22.200 He did this and he did that well. I mean 0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:25.160 I became sort of like sort of like a villain 0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:27.360 in the sense it became a negative thing when it 0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:30.279 came to Tera Owens. And I think if you look 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:32.839 at you know, abously being inducted into the Hall of Fame, 0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:35.040 those were some of the things that they kept bringing 0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:38.400 up was character issues. But I'm not I'm not a 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:42.520 bad person, but the character issues was never an issue before. 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:47.600 Exactly do you realize how how special you gotta be? 0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:51.000 When people were willing to change the buy laws, you 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:54.680 knew realized they wrote new rules that what happened in 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:57.200 the locker room, what happened in the meeting rooms, what 0:54:57.360 --> 0:55:01.040 happened on the sidelines could be you choose to judge 0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:03.560 a player going into the Hall of Fame. Do you 0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:06.560 realize that you did that? That's the tr rules? Hey, man, 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:08.560 Like I said, Guy, I put us all here for 0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:14.520 a reason. Again, I've been mean even that that situation. 0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.239 You think about the horse collarude, I was part of that. Yeah, 0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:20.960 you think about the touchdown touchdown celebrations, I was part 0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:24.120 of that. Yeah. I have no idea. I can't put 0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:29.640 my finger a pulse on why that is. But those 0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:31.760 were the cards that I was dealt, and I honestly, 0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:35.759 I felt I felt unfairly treated. I felt unfairly criticized 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:38.600 that time because of how certain meetings they add certain 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:41.279 people and then they go on the air and every 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.680 outlet picked it up and then without even knowing me, 0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:47.160 they're just going by what everybody else it says saying, 0:55:47.320 --> 0:55:50.640 and so they've created this narrative and again Skip started it, 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:52.600 and then it kind of just trickled, you know, it 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:56.000 was a trickle down effect. What happened with it? Seems 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:57.800 like you said, coach Mary uture you felt that he 0:55:57.920 --> 0:56:00.600 started to treat you differently. But I think your position 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:05.799 coach Greg now was your first position. Yeah, I think 0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:09.200 he was. I think he was a quarterback coach or something. Yeah, yeah, 0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:13.160 but he wasn't He wasn't it. George Stewart was George 0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:16.440 Stewart and prior to that, it was Larry Kurtzy. Okay, So, 0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:19.560 like I said, that were things man, that I witnessed 0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:21.719 and and and like I said, when you talk about 0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.320 her now, it's it's we've gone through a year of 0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:28.440 you know, systemic racism and things of that nature. You know, 0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:31.759 just as as a country as a whole, we witnessed things. 0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:34.520 But I can definitely go back and say now, what 0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:38.759 I experienced obviously it was systemic racism, and I'm not 0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:41.600 afraid to say it. I'll say it to him. But 0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:47.320 I definitely always treated, you know, definitely differently than absolutely, 0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:51.919 So what about Greg now because they made some disagreements. Again, 0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:53.680 that's just like with anybody, you know what I mean, 0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:56.759 any coach, any player, There's gonna be argument, there gonna 0:56:56.760 --> 0:56:58.960 be disagreements. Right, But at the end of the day, 0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:02.879 Jerry's cursed out or didn't worse than what I did. 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:04.960 But like I said, when when it came to me 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:08.080 because it picked up negativity, right, did you try to 0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:09.560 sit down and talk to the moves did you say, 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:14.040 mood this that's what everybody called it, right, mooch, Steve Mooch. 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:16.880 This is what I'm feeling. I'm feeling that I'm being 0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:19.800 singled out. I feel like if I do something, you 0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:22.360 harp on it, whereas someone else does something, you let 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:24.600 it slide. It was the things that I experienced. It 0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:27.439 was obvious to the point that I went to Bill 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:30.080 Wals So you went above Mooch right, because I wasn't. 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:31.919 I didn't feel like I was going to get anywhere. Okay, 0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:34.440 you know, obviously there were fines and things of that nature. 0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:37.400 You have a fine coach. Again, I would like said, 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:39.600 even with those I was treated different as somebody else 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:42.720 would would be. Given the benefit of buying the team 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:45.800 lunch or taking the fine. Right. He didn't give me 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:48.720 that option, right, I just got the fine. Right. And 0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:50.640 so there are things that I mean, from the from 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:54.560 the touchdown celebration with me going to to the Dallas Star. Right, 0:57:56.240 --> 0:57:58.360 there was no there was no rule against what I 0:57:58.440 --> 0:58:02.560 did Monday, Monday morning quarterback. That's all that was going 0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:04.200 on throughout the course of the week. They were talking 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:07.800 about that. Right. The league didn't suspend me. He was 0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:11.000 pressured by the media to suspend me. Hold on, you 0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:15.120 got suspended for that, yes, sir? What about it? So 0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:16.840 what did the union say? They can't that that's that 0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:19.480 wasn't a rule for that. They can't just suspend, Yes, sir, 0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:25.120 I got me guess conduct detrimental, bro, I have no idea. 0:58:25.160 --> 0:58:28.040 All I know is I got suspended and then later 0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:31.680 and then I found this out years later. I went 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:37.120 to Atlanta, right, and I don't do politics. So he 0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:40.480 tried to play the political, you know, role, and so 0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:42.680 he reached out. I mean, he talked to my coach 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:45.640 and I found this out years later. Uh. He wanted 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:47.640 to try to make it look like he and I 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:50.640 was on good terms with the media that he wanted 0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:53.440 me to fly back from Atlanta and go to a 0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:56.840 Sino's a Sharks game and be in the stands and 0:58:56.920 --> 0:58:59.440 have the media you know, uh, you know, paying the 0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:04.080 car him together. Yeah, like like we were cool. And Mike, Mike, 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:05.920 my my coach is like he was like, I'm not 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:07.720 calling him because I know TiO is not gonna go. 0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:10.120 He's not gonna go for that. No, And so these 0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:12.360 are little things like that, man that they didn't really 0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:14.960 set well with me. Just like I said, I went 0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:17.120 to the to the middle of the Star. When I 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:19.720 discussed it with him or when he gave his uh 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:22.560 his feedback on what happened or his assessment of what happened, 0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:24.520 he said, he didn't even see me go to the Star. 0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:29.400 He has a bird's eye view, just like all the coach. Yeah, 0:59:29.520 --> 0:59:31.160 he said he had. He said he didn't even see 0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:34.040 me go to the Star. So these are sort of 0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:36.240 things man, like I said that I had to go 0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:40.280 through and it is what it. Even with my contract, 0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:43.640 I had been there longer than Jeff Garcia, you know, 0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:46.680 knock on him. I feel like I was a second, 0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:49.400 like I said, the second coming of Jerry Rice. I 0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:53.200 was looked upon to to fill his shoes. They dragged 0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:59.440 my contract negotiation, shanning out the entire summer, the entire summer. 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:03.400 Jeff Garcia plays maybe I think two years backing up, 1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:09.240 Steve young plays a couple of years. His contract years 1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:15.280 is up. Took them two weeks, two weeks and they 1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:18.880 got this deal done. So for me, it let me 1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:23.200 know and it showed, Okay, he's more important than me 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:27.000 when they don't value as much as you think exactly 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:31.200 I'm taking I'm taking his balls three four five yards 1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:33.080 and taking it to the house. He's not throwing those 1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:36.000 sixty seventy yard bombs, right, But that's part of my job. 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:39.320 I get that. But as you said, I felt like 1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:42.120 I was being under value and even like my first 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:44.919 contract that I had. I mean, you know, players don't 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:47.040 get involved with players contracts, this, not and the other. 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:50.840 I had a small time agent at the time, and 1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:53.280 when we were trying, when we were going through the negotiations, 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:57.000 he came out and said that I wasn't worth the 1:00:57.080 --> 1:01:00.280 money that we were asking for. Who said that, mooch, 1:01:00.960 --> 1:01:04.280 Yes sir, yes, sir. These are these are things that 1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:08.200 I experienced. So when I played throughout the course of 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:11.760 the year, Steve Younger tell you, I played with a chill. 1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:15.520 And it wasn't because I know I was drafted a 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:18.800 certain way, or it was because how I was being 1:01:18.880 --> 1:01:21.640 treated right and me growing up in the South, my 1:01:21.720 --> 1:01:23.480 grandmother she told me these are things that I was 1:01:23.520 --> 1:01:25.000 going to experience. I didn't know I was going to 1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:27.919 experience experience it in the in the National Football League, 1:01:28.040 --> 1:01:30.320 but just in life in general, and then just as 1:01:30.360 --> 1:01:32.919 a black man, and so to see it. I didn't 1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:34.840 speak on it. I didn't say on it. I just 1:01:34.960 --> 1:01:36.720 put my head down the chain and I worked every 1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:39.600 day and I let my play do the speaks for you. 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:42.840 So even when Skip Bayless and everybody else jumped on 1:01:42.920 --> 1:01:45.240 the band wagons of all the things that happened throughout 1:01:45.240 --> 1:01:47.120 the course of the season, it was a topic throughout 1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:49.400 the course of the week, I knew all I had 1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:52.360 to do is play because I wasn't gonna allow anything 1:01:52.440 --> 1:01:54.960 that they say to deter or distract what I was 1:01:54.960 --> 1:01:57.440 supposed to do, not from me from my personal standpoint, 1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:00.400 because I needed to produce. And then I'm not gonna 1:02:00.400 --> 1:02:02.960 I'm not gonna do anything to hinder or the you know, 1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:04.640 the progression of what we're supposed to do. In the 1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:08.800 offense and as a team. How did you and Jeff's 1:02:09.040 --> 1:02:12.000 because you and Jeff was arguably the best tab a 1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:15.600 quarterback wide receiver combo in the NFL, how did that 1:02:15.680 --> 1:02:19.400 go so wrong so quick? I did an interview, and uh, 1:02:19.800 --> 1:02:21.240 you know, obviously, like I said, I look back, and 1:02:21.280 --> 1:02:23.680 I obviously I should have you know, chosen some other words, 1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:26.440 and you know that kind of just you know, I 1:02:26.520 --> 1:02:29.960 guess made things, I mean kind of fractured it a bit. 1:02:30.360 --> 1:02:32.480 But I didn't, like I said, when I did the interview, 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:35.720 I didn't really think about ramifications of of of what 1:02:35.840 --> 1:02:38.560 I was saying. But I said, you know, with Jeff, 1:02:38.640 --> 1:02:42.160 like we catered our offense around his strengths. Right. You know, 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:44.960 he's a rollout type of guy. He's a tough move right, 1:02:45.000 --> 1:02:47.360 He's a tough, gritty guy. He's not your you know, 1:02:47.560 --> 1:02:51.440 typical prototypical drop back in the pocket passer gonna you know, 1:02:52.080 --> 1:02:54.800 he's not your Tom Brady, your your pay Manning. He's 1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:57.200 not that type of guy, right, But our offense was 1:02:57.280 --> 1:03:00.120 tailored around his ability and I and I adapted my 1:03:00.320 --> 1:03:03.040 game around what he had to do. You know, you're 1:03:03.080 --> 1:03:05.880 familiar with the West Coast off you talk about the 1:03:05.920 --> 1:03:11.880 scramble drill. I knew every I knew every position. Yeah, everybody. 1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:15.640 If you look at some of my highlights. Of course, 1:03:16.360 --> 1:03:19.880 you script plays, they don't go as playing all the time. 1:03:21.040 --> 1:03:24.120 You got to improvise. You was ex receiver, I was 1:03:24.200 --> 1:03:32.720 ex Z Zebra eagle became. I became that much more 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:36.560 valuable because they started They started me at one position. 1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:39.840 I learned that and then probably like you know, a 1:03:39.960 --> 1:03:41.880 few weeks in the camp, you know, coach like, oh 1:03:41.920 --> 1:03:43.360 well you need to learn it. Do it made me 1:03:43.480 --> 1:03:48.680 nervous because I'm just I'm I'm just I'm just learning 1:03:48.800 --> 1:03:51.520 this position, and they're like, yo, you need to learn Z. 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:54.280 But then, like I said, I'm a visual person and coach, 1:03:54.400 --> 1:03:58.520 coach Stewart, he'll tell you I'm crazy visual. So that's 1:03:58.560 --> 1:04:01.600 when I started learning how to really incorporated knowing what 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:03.800 to do with the plays. I'm the same way, let 1:04:03.880 --> 1:04:06.000 me see somebody to do it and you explaining it 1:04:06.080 --> 1:04:07.920 to him. I need to see something. I need to 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:10.560 actually see somebody do it. Okay, So that's what it is. 1:04:10.680 --> 1:04:13.200 So that's what okay, Z spot, that's what you want. 1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:16.920 Excellent X comeback, X dig X drive Okay, then you 1:04:17.000 --> 1:04:20.479 can believe it. Just remember what we just talked about. 1:04:20.520 --> 1:04:23.560 You got to see it to believe it. Right, you 1:04:23.720 --> 1:04:28.000 move on contracts up you're supposed to. Your agent is 1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:30.400 supposed to file the paperwork to make you free. An 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:33.040 I'm mad. I'm still mad that your agent is supposed 1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:35.320 to file the paperwork so you become a free agent. 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:41.440 He drops the ball. The Ravens says, Okay, for whatever. 1:04:41.800 --> 1:04:43.800 I think the Ravens and San Francisco work out some 1:04:43.920 --> 1:04:46.600 kind of deal, But you don't want to go to Baltimore, right, 1:04:46.680 --> 1:04:51.880 And it had nothing to do with Baltimore itself the team. 1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:54.720 I just felt like where I was in my career, 1:04:54.880 --> 1:04:57.880 the height of my career, I couldn't do what I 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:02.560 I was gonna do should be doing with the inexperienced quarterback. 1:05:04.680 --> 1:05:07.520 So you've experience he wasn't very good. But anyway, but 1:05:07.680 --> 1:05:09.600 I mean, but that's but that's how I am. Yea. 1:05:09.680 --> 1:05:11.440 You know, people would think that I'm I would I 1:05:11.480 --> 1:05:13.800 would down talk somebody, but that's not who I am. Okay. 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:16.680 I just looked at as I need to find somebody 1:05:16.720 --> 1:05:20.240 to compliment my skill set, and I didn't see that 1:05:20.440 --> 1:05:23.040 in a young you know, young young guy like Cal Bowler. 1:05:23.840 --> 1:05:26.080 What happened with so? How did your agent drop how 1:05:26.120 --> 1:05:27.840 did he not go ahead and just file the paperwork 1:05:27.880 --> 1:05:30.160 at the beginning of the exactly and why did he 1:05:30.240 --> 1:05:32.360 get to the last I have no trust me, I 1:05:32.480 --> 1:05:35.120 have no idea. And he tried to blame He tried 1:05:35.120 --> 1:05:37.480 to blame it on the guys, the people at the NFLPA, 1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:39.720 And I end up talking to Jane up show. God 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:43.440 rested so and I talked to him. I remember when 1:05:43.480 --> 1:05:45.840 I remember exactly why I was when I talked to him. 1:05:46.680 --> 1:05:49.200 I was off of one of the exits in Atlanta, 1:05:49.400 --> 1:05:51.000 in the in the parking lot where I get my 1:05:51.080 --> 1:05:53.760 hair cut, and I was on the phone with him, 1:05:53.800 --> 1:05:56.680 and he broke it down as to how my agent 1:05:57.360 --> 1:05:59.440 messed it up, dropped the ball yep. And then my 1:05:59.560 --> 1:06:02.400 agent was trying to basically make me think it was 1:06:02.480 --> 1:06:05.160 their fault. And then, you know, that was when facts 1:06:05.560 --> 1:06:07.840 was you know, it wasn't no docu sign or anything 1:06:08.000 --> 1:06:11.040 like that. That's when you had everything was fact right. 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:14.480 So he tried to blame it on you know, it 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:17.000 didn't go through and all this blah blah. But at 1:06:17.000 --> 1:06:19.120 the end of the day, like you said, I knew 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:21.800 I wanted to become an unrestricted free agent so I 1:06:21.880 --> 1:06:24.440 could test the market. Correct. He should have done that 1:06:24.640 --> 1:06:28.200 immediately next day after the season, right, And so I, again, 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:30.320 I was a young kid. I wasn't even really thinking 1:06:30.440 --> 1:06:33.760 right like that. And that's where again, as we as athletes, 1:06:34.440 --> 1:06:37.000 we have people we hired to really take care of 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:38.960 some of those things that we, honestly we may not 1:06:39.080 --> 1:06:42.640 be aware of thinking of on an everyday basis. Okay, 1:06:43.080 --> 1:06:45.800 somehow you get that worked out. You end up in 1:06:45.880 --> 1:06:49.160 filling which seems like a perfect situation because they got 1:06:49.240 --> 1:06:53.120 approving quarterback. They they've been going to the NFC Championship 1:06:53.160 --> 1:06:55.680 game and they can't quite get over the hook. And 1:06:56.480 --> 1:06:58.760 at the time, I said, you know what, I believe 1:06:58.840 --> 1:07:01.040 this guy is the missing peace. I believe this is 1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:04.080 the guy that can finally get them over the huck. Well, 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:06.440 I made the Pro Bowl, and you know if you don't, 1:07:06.480 --> 1:07:08.320 I mean, you get to the NFC Championship, you don't 1:07:08.320 --> 1:07:10.640 make it. The losing team coaches the Pro Bowl, right, 1:07:11.000 --> 1:07:12.640 So I made the Pro Bowl those cover years. So 1:07:12.720 --> 1:07:15.400 that's how I got to play and meet some of 1:07:15.480 --> 1:07:20.840 the staff of the philadephy and so yep, yep. So 1:07:21.000 --> 1:07:24.200 that's where again the idea of me possibly playing for 1:07:24.360 --> 1:07:26.320 there for that team. And plus they had the West 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:29.120 Coast offense, considering you had spent seven years in the 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:32.000 West Coast offense. So this was a match made. This 1:07:32.320 --> 1:07:35.640 was perfect, man. It was from day one, from the 1:07:35.720 --> 1:07:39.000 first preseason game we played the Ravens and guess guess 1:07:39.040 --> 1:07:42.600 how many yards My first touchdown went went forth eighty 1:07:42.680 --> 1:07:46.880 one the first play. So you do that, you know what? 1:07:47.520 --> 1:07:49.960 This is a sign God, you speaking to me. Ain't 1:07:50.000 --> 1:07:51.880 no way it's supposed to happen. I had no idea 1:07:51.960 --> 1:07:55.560 until I years later and I'm listening, I'm watching the highlights, 1:07:55.680 --> 1:07:57.800 and and the announcer was like, man, this you know 1:07:58.880 --> 1:08:01.360 he calls it, you know, cause the commentator he's he's 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:05.080 breaking it down. I'm I'm I go out wide. I 1:08:05.160 --> 1:08:08.040 think it's like covered to I try to disguise it. Man, 1:08:08.240 --> 1:08:10.960 I release, I think a releasing side. Get back outside. 1:08:10.960 --> 1:08:12.960 They weren't you supposed to let me do that? Right? No? No, no, 1:08:13.000 --> 1:08:15.080 no no no right once you once you go inside, 1:08:15.120 --> 1:08:17.679 they gotta ride you down. But because of the dynamic 1:08:17.760 --> 1:08:20.720 talent that I am, you know, I made somehow I 1:08:20.840 --> 1:08:23.120 made it work. And I'm listening to the to the 1:08:23.439 --> 1:08:25.200 to the to the announcer and he's like, man, this 1:08:25.320 --> 1:08:28.240 is a touchdown. He goes right down to to the 1:08:28.360 --> 1:08:30.880 jersey number and it was like eighty one. I'm like, man, 1:08:30.960 --> 1:08:33.080 that's crazy because he had three touchdown. That was the 1:08:33.120 --> 1:08:35.160 first game down. Well that was the preseason game. Yeah, 1:08:35.479 --> 1:08:38.680 the regular first regular season game against the Giants, I 1:08:38.800 --> 1:08:42.960 had three touchdowns. So everything, you're like, oh man, this 1:08:43.040 --> 1:08:46.800 stay going well, this stay going well? Man, it did 1:08:46.880 --> 1:08:52.800 what happened? That was one game I can't I think 1:08:52.840 --> 1:08:55.000 I can't remember if we were playing the Giants or 1:08:57.400 --> 1:08:59.040 or may have been the Browns, but we had one 1:08:59.080 --> 1:09:01.679 particular play or your game playing and you scripted throughout 1:09:01.720 --> 1:09:03.880 the course of the week. I ran some route, like 1:09:03.960 --> 1:09:07.840 a bench route, go in, get the safety, the bite 1:09:07.880 --> 1:09:11.559 or the corner bite, and I'm dude, it's wide open 1:09:11.680 --> 1:09:14.080 every day in practice. I mean even when we didn't 1:09:14.120 --> 1:09:17.080 have to script it, it was wide open. So we 1:09:17.200 --> 1:09:22.080 get in the game, this is my play. I run 1:09:22.160 --> 1:09:24.400 the route to a t just like we've been running 1:09:24.400 --> 1:09:28.560 all week and practice scripted d dB bite like this 1:09:29.200 --> 1:09:34.240 sh left him. I'm wide open I'm looking back. I'm looking, 1:09:34.760 --> 1:09:36.759 I'm looking for the ball. I'm like, I noticed a touchdown. 1:09:38.080 --> 1:09:42.120 He goes elsewhere with the football. So I get back 1:09:42.160 --> 1:09:43.760 in the hoddle. I go back, I get back, go 1:09:43.880 --> 1:09:46.120 back to the hoddle. And I said, I said yo, 1:09:46.160 --> 1:09:48.559 I said, I was open. I said, I said, what happened? 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:52.200 He told me to shut the fuck up. Hold on, bro, 1:09:53.280 --> 1:09:56.400 you practice this play all week, Yes, sir, there's nothing 1:09:56.479 --> 1:10:00.200 like you practicing the play. And it happens. It's like 1:10:00.360 --> 1:10:03.040 you drew it up and you they like, oh, I'm 1:10:03.040 --> 1:10:05.559 about to get this money, and all you said, hey, 1:10:05.800 --> 1:10:08.200 BRO said, I was open, I said what happened? And 1:10:08.240 --> 1:10:11.200 he told me to shut the f up seriously. And 1:10:11.280 --> 1:10:13.960 so I didn't say anything because coming from San Francisco, 1:10:13.960 --> 1:10:16.120 I didn't want to make no yep. I didn't you 1:10:16.120 --> 1:10:17.760 know what I mean, I already know what time it was. 1:10:17.800 --> 1:10:20.160 So I didn't want to create no no animizy, no 1:10:20.280 --> 1:10:22.080 tension right there on the fields. And we came off 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:24.640 that series. I went straight to my coach and I'm like, 1:10:24.760 --> 1:10:28.679 y'all said, because I didn't, I didn't want to blame anybody. 1:10:28.800 --> 1:10:31.320 I wanted to see what happened. Let me see what 1:10:31.680 --> 1:10:35.080 happened before I make any excuse, right, So I asked coach, like, 1:10:35.120 --> 1:10:36.600 I said, what happened? Did he get flushed out of 1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:39.760 the pockets? I'm thinking that's okay. He looked at me, 1:10:39.880 --> 1:10:42.040 he goes, I don't know, he goes terrible. I don't 1:10:42.080 --> 1:10:45.880 know why he didn't throw it. He just didn't throw it, Okay. 1:10:46.320 --> 1:10:48.640 So I left it. I left it at that. Then 1:10:48.920 --> 1:10:50.400 you go, did you go to him? And like c 1:10:50.600 --> 1:10:54.360 Max and I waited to after the game. Okay. And 1:10:54.479 --> 1:10:58.760 so again me knowing everything that it transpired, how you 1:10:58.840 --> 1:11:00.560 know I'm gonna be looked at it. I'm on a 1:11:00.640 --> 1:11:03.519 new team. I wasn't trying to roughle the feathers. I'm 1:11:03.560 --> 1:11:09.000 trying to be the consummate teammate. So I let the 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:11.479 I let that. Everybody kind of just filter out of 1:11:11.520 --> 1:11:13.080 the locker room and it was like a few guys 1:11:13.200 --> 1:11:15.080 left whatever. And I just went to him and I 1:11:15.200 --> 1:11:18.880 just said, look, bro, I said, I don't appreciate you, 1:11:19.120 --> 1:11:21.320 you know, cussing at me. I said, Bro, I'm a 1:11:21.439 --> 1:11:23.599 grown man, right, And I said from here home, man, 1:11:23.640 --> 1:11:26.360 don't don't talk to me that way. Oh, it's gonna 1:11:26.360 --> 1:11:29.000 be it's gonna be a problem, okay. And so I 1:11:29.160 --> 1:11:33.080 felt like me addressing that in that way was a 1:11:33.240 --> 1:11:36.080 mature terrible yeah, because I could have went off on 1:11:36.160 --> 1:11:38.000 the football and out there in the middle of the 1:11:38.040 --> 1:11:39.920 field and when we got to the sideline, but I 1:11:40.080 --> 1:11:43.240 wasn't trying to do that. Now, I'm trying to turn 1:11:43.320 --> 1:11:45.320 over a new league, okay. So when you did, I 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:47.280 just told him said, look, bro, don't don't don't address 1:11:47.280 --> 1:11:49.280 me that way, right, I said, We're grown man, I 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:52.240 got kids, Like that's that's not gonna happen, okay. And 1:11:52.320 --> 1:11:55.280 so from there, I think that's where the he when 1:11:55.280 --> 1:11:57.320 you said that, bro, don't address me like that. Hey, 1:11:57.439 --> 1:12:00.519 I don't show. I don't know. I honestly, I was 1:12:00.600 --> 1:12:02.800 so mad. I don't know what he said or if 1:12:02.800 --> 1:12:05.479 he said anything that really could have made a difference. 1:12:05.520 --> 1:12:08.360 At that point, I just didn't like the the tone. 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:10.599 Number one, and I for real, the way he came 1:12:10.640 --> 1:12:12.479 at me, my team and they was in the hotel. 1:12:13.240 --> 1:12:15.519 It was it was file right, it was fire, and 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:18.320 so things just kind of just fell off, fell fell 1:12:18.320 --> 1:12:20.599 off the tracks, you know, from that point on, after 1:12:20.640 --> 1:12:22.560 I'm sitting here listening to you talk that was the 1:12:22.600 --> 1:12:24.840 one that was the one thing that I had. I 1:12:24.880 --> 1:12:28.120 don't mind being coached, but you can't curse me. Man See, 1:12:28.120 --> 1:12:29.840 I won't let you see anything to me that my 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:32.200 grandmother couldn't say. And she gave me everything but life. 1:12:32.240 --> 1:12:34.640 She raised me. So if she wouldn't say that to me, 1:12:34.880 --> 1:12:37.679 I'm not you can't coach me. Coach me hard, say something, 1:12:37.720 --> 1:12:39.240 what do you see? What do you see? We want 1:12:39.320 --> 1:12:41.880 repractice that play. If I made a mistake, John say hey, 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:45.360 T I need you to do better, but don't curse me. No. 1:12:46.000 --> 1:12:48.920 It wasn't just no curse, bro, It was it was demonstrative, 1:12:49.240 --> 1:12:52.160 you know what I mean. It was just I didn't 1:12:52.360 --> 1:12:55.479 trust me. It struck a chord with me, and like 1:12:55.479 --> 1:12:57.200 I said, I never forget it. And so, like I said, 1:12:57.200 --> 1:12:58.840 I just I just felt like I needed to do 1:12:58.960 --> 1:13:01.640 that because if I just let that slide, I just 1:13:01.720 --> 1:13:03.479 felt like he was going to just continue to think 1:13:03.520 --> 1:13:06.400 that it was okay, right, And so my grandmother just 1:13:06.439 --> 1:13:09.200 don't never let nobody run over you. No, you know 1:13:09.240 --> 1:13:11.000 what I mean. That's how that's how they that's how 1:13:11.080 --> 1:13:13.400 they say it. Don't let nobody run over you, because 1:13:13.400 --> 1:13:16.320 if you do that they're gonna continue. And so for me, 1:13:16.400 --> 1:13:18.080 I just addressed it and left it at that. And 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:19.800 so maybe he didn't like what I had to say, 1:13:20.760 --> 1:13:22.280 but I, like I said, I didn't allow that to 1:13:22.320 --> 1:13:24.559 really deter anything that we did on the football field. 1:13:24.720 --> 1:13:26.760 And we went out in the football field, bro, I 1:13:26.880 --> 1:13:30.160 just played, you know, and sometimes you know, like I said, 1:13:30.160 --> 1:13:31.880 I had, I was pissed, but then I just like 1:13:31.920 --> 1:13:33.360 I said, I just did what I was supposed to do. 1:13:33.680 --> 1:13:36.280 So that game, that was early in the season, do 1:13:36.400 --> 1:13:39.000 you believe that was the beginning of the end of 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:41.599 your relationship? What do you think? Probably because right because 1:13:41.720 --> 1:13:44.600 you know, as I because I I still start I was. 1:13:46.600 --> 1:13:48.560 I looked back people tell me, now, I played in 1:13:48.600 --> 1:13:51.639 twenty one games in Philly. I scored twenty touchdowns. Yeah, 1:13:53.560 --> 1:13:56.680 twenty one touchdown I mean twenty touchdowns, yeah, yeah, And 1:13:56.800 --> 1:14:03.680 so I looked back on it and the way that 1:14:03.760 --> 1:14:06.200 I was bawling, and the way the city embraced me. 1:14:06.520 --> 1:14:08.720 And you remember, like when he got drafted, it was 1:14:08.760 --> 1:14:11.600 either him or Ricky Williams, Right, they booed him, you 1:14:11.760 --> 1:14:13.160 know what I mean. So I think he had some 1:14:13.240 --> 1:14:16.519 resentment because when I started bawling from week one when 1:14:16.520 --> 1:14:19.160 I scored three touchdowns against They were going crazy when 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:21.280 they five out that they had the Eagles assigned you. 1:14:21.560 --> 1:14:27.120 The fans were going crazy. They the entire stadium, t Yo, 1:14:27.560 --> 1:14:30.479 t yo, t yo. It was. It was like something 1:14:30.520 --> 1:14:33.200 I had never experienced. Everything probably that I wish I 1:14:33.240 --> 1:14:36.000 could have done in high school or college, I was 1:14:36.160 --> 1:14:40.439 experiencing as a pro right I was, I was a star. 1:14:41.320 --> 1:14:44.640 I witnessed that on the sidelines in high school with 1:14:44.840 --> 1:14:47.759 other guys. They were the start of the school, started 1:14:47.800 --> 1:14:50.519 a team. In college, it was the same way I 1:14:50.720 --> 1:14:55.800 worked my butt offshin and to become TiO right. And 1:14:55.920 --> 1:14:59.679 so I can't imagine what he felt or I guess 1:14:59.720 --> 1:15:01.840 maybe he had something against the city. But to have 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:05.680 seventy plus thousand and sixty seven plus thousand chanting, you know, 1:15:05.800 --> 1:15:08.840 when you do something big, I have a big play, right, 1:15:08.960 --> 1:15:11.080 and you're not. I guess he didn't feel like he was, 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:14.360 you know, being recognized as such. And me coming there 1:15:14.479 --> 1:15:17.840 my first year and really making a difference, and then 1:15:17.960 --> 1:15:19.680 we get you know, okay, I got hurt late in 1:15:19.720 --> 1:15:25.439 the season December, and then the thing was with the media, 1:15:25.520 --> 1:15:28.280 was was I going to be ready to play in 1:15:28.320 --> 1:15:31.400 the Super Bowl, right him being the quarterback, the mouthpiece 1:15:31.479 --> 1:15:33.880 to the leader, the captain another team, he had to 1:15:33.960 --> 1:15:38.280 face those questions the rest pretty much leading into the playoffs, 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:41.680 playoffs or what have you. And he basically said, we 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:45.640 don't need Teo to win. We've won games but with 1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:49.519 with it without him, And so I didn't really take 1:15:49.520 --> 1:15:51.680 any slight to it, but I heard it right, and 1:15:51.800 --> 1:15:54.519 so I guess he got it was necessary slight. He 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:56.960 could have said, look, we want TiO to get back 1:15:57.000 --> 1:15:59.600 as soon as he possibly can. As a quarterback of 1:15:59.600 --> 1:16:02.000 the leader team, you say the right thing. You be 1:16:02.080 --> 1:16:04.880 politically correct, regardless of how you feel. You be PC 1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:07.080 in that boat. Right, you can address it, you know 1:16:07.200 --> 1:16:10.000 how to address it. And so again that was something 1:16:10.120 --> 1:16:12.240 that that kind of loomed. And and then there was 1:16:12.280 --> 1:16:15.439 a contract situation after that. You know, he spoke highly 1:16:15.479 --> 1:16:20.960 of Brian Westbrook's contract, basically endorsing that the team should 1:16:21.200 --> 1:16:23.080 should should sign him to an extension. But when it 1:16:23.160 --> 1:16:27.280 came to me, nothing, radio silent, nothing. So that's when 1:16:27.320 --> 1:16:29.720 I knew that it was it was something personal. It 1:16:29.840 --> 1:16:34.280 wasn't anything personal with me against him, because I'm not 1:16:34.400 --> 1:16:36.479 that person. I'm not I've never been that type of person. 1:16:36.520 --> 1:16:38.720 But you are the type of person if somebody crossed you, 1:16:38.800 --> 1:16:43.200 you're done. Oh yeah, yeah for sure, yeah yeah, but 1:16:43.280 --> 1:16:44.880 if yeah. But I'm not the type of I'm not no, 1:16:45.960 --> 1:16:48.000 no jealous type of person. I'm not a hater. I'm 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:50.559 not no gossiper. I'm not going to talk bad about 1:16:50.920 --> 1:16:53.600 another person because I may think he's better than me 1:16:53.840 --> 1:16:56.280 or whatever. I've never been that type of person. I've 1:16:56.360 --> 1:16:59.360 been my own person, right because I knew my path 1:16:59.439 --> 1:17:02.640 and my journey to be, to be who I became with. 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:05.920 Then what happened with the fight situation? To feel it with? 1:17:06.400 --> 1:17:09.040 Who juggles or they brought him on as like I 1:17:09.080 --> 1:17:12.240 guess a team ambassador or something like that. I was rehabbing, 1:17:12.680 --> 1:17:14.680 uh an injury of or what have you? So him 1:17:14.680 --> 1:17:17.719 and done them was buddy buddy, right, they were good friends. 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:19.639 So I guess obviously when you bought he had came, 1:17:19.880 --> 1:17:22.840 didn't he had come back from Jacksonville. Yeah, yeah, so 1:17:22.920 --> 1:17:24.840 they brought they brought him back, brought him back. Yeah, 1:17:24.840 --> 1:17:27.040 and so he was sort of like the team I 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:30.760 guess ambassador, what have you? And so obviously I'm like, 1:17:31.160 --> 1:17:33.479 I'm like the black sheep you know what I mean. Okay, okay, 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:36.080 I'm like the black sheep. So you know, him and 1:17:36.240 --> 1:17:37.920 him and down them with their friends, and he would 1:17:37.920 --> 1:17:39.720 not We've talked, you know, disgusted or what have you. 1:17:39.840 --> 1:17:41.800 And and again I'm pretty sure he wished he could 1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:44.120 have done something differently and thought things through. I maybe 1:17:44.120 --> 1:17:46.400 even talk to me, right, But obviously, like I said, 1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:48.600 you know him and DuMond being friends, and obviously, like 1:17:48.640 --> 1:17:50.840 I said, dumb didn't really didn't like me or at 1:17:50.920 --> 1:17:54.840 at you know, at one point then it all became 1:17:54.920 --> 1:17:58.920 personal and it's trying to do things to antagonize me, 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:00.960 this not and the other end. I remember I was 1:18:01.040 --> 1:18:02.800 in the U, I was doing some treatment. I was 1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:05.439 down in the hydroworks pool or what have you. And man, 1:18:05.479 --> 1:18:07.400 I'm not no punk bro, I'm not no punking. So 1:18:07.520 --> 1:18:09.439 he came in and he had tried he said something 1:18:09.600 --> 1:18:12.240 and the door was cracked and I didn't like it, 1:18:12.760 --> 1:18:14.200 and I asked him to raise me up out of 1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:16.040 the hydroworks pool. I went in. That went in. I 1:18:16.320 --> 1:18:18.320 kind of dried off a little bit when it got 1:18:18.400 --> 1:18:20.439 some stuff, and so we we kind of got to 1:18:20.520 --> 1:18:23.320 tuss on a little bit, and Jeremy Trotter, uh kind 1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:25.439 of got in between us and tried to try to 1:18:25.479 --> 1:18:29.519 separate us. And uh, I, man, I went through Trotter 1:18:29.600 --> 1:18:32.360 to get that. To get at here, I was told 1:18:32.840 --> 1:18:36.760 they say, you almost seemed possessed. Man, Man, I I 1:18:36.880 --> 1:18:39.559 just I'm not no pump bro. That's just me. I've 1:18:39.600 --> 1:18:43.640 been through so much. I was teased. I was. I 1:18:43.760 --> 1:18:46.040 had low self esteem issues. When I was younger, I 1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:48.519 was I got bullied. We didn't call it bullied. I's 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:50.280 got we got picked out, you know what I mean, 1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:52.760 shot before I knew what that was. And so man, 1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:56.000 you know when I was when I was in high school, 1:18:56.000 --> 1:18:57.760 we ran track and things like that. I had a 1:18:57.760 --> 1:18:59.360 guy that spit in my mouth while I was sleeping. 1:18:59.439 --> 1:19:01.960 I got picked So when I got older, man, I 1:19:02.080 --> 1:19:03.519 got to the point where I was always you know, 1:19:03.600 --> 1:19:06.160 hearing my grandmothers like, don't never let nobody you know 1:19:07.760 --> 1:19:10.160 do you wrong, or if they're bigger than you, she 1:19:10.280 --> 1:19:12.120 may pick something up, hit him, hit him a wrong. 1:19:13.120 --> 1:19:14.840 But ye are bro, you I grabbed me, trust me, 1:19:14.960 --> 1:19:18.600 you know what it's like. So I always remembered that. 1:19:18.680 --> 1:19:20.320 But man, I had gotten to the point where I 1:19:20.439 --> 1:19:23.000 was upside. I'm a grown man, and I just wasn't 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:25.760 gonna allow you, wouldn't take no shop of anybody else. Bro. 1:19:25.840 --> 1:19:27.840 I didn't care who who it was and how big 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:30.760 you were. But yeah, it was like I said, if 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:32.160 if I don't know what it would have happened. But 1:19:32.240 --> 1:19:34.640 Trotter end up, you know, kind of separating, and he 1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:38.280 he'll tell you. He's like I went through Trotter. I 1:19:38.439 --> 1:19:40.280 went through Trotter to try to get to try to 1:19:40.320 --> 1:19:45.800 get it here. Come back the second year you play 1:19:45.880 --> 1:19:50.439 you still you're still bawling, and then Andy's like, go home? 1:19:51.240 --> 1:19:57.000 What what led to Andy sending you home? I did 1:19:57.080 --> 1:19:59.360 an interview with a guy by the name of Graham 1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:03.439 ben Singer, and I had met him in high school. 1:20:04.120 --> 1:20:06.920 He was an aspiring journalists or whatever in high school 1:20:06.920 --> 1:20:08.920 when I was in San France, right, and so now 1:20:09.000 --> 1:20:10.840 he's I think he's in college or whatever. But I 1:20:11.000 --> 1:20:13.040 told him, and he had asked me, I had no 1:20:13.120 --> 1:20:15.200 idea I'm coming from. At the end of the game, 1:20:15.640 --> 1:20:17.880 he goes, Yo, I'm I'm I'm gonna be a journalist 1:20:17.960 --> 1:20:20.280 one day. But really, block, I had no idea, like 1:20:20.479 --> 1:20:23.280 years later, right, this guy would be interviewing me. Right, 1:20:24.360 --> 1:20:26.200 and so I did the piece, so what have you? 1:20:26.360 --> 1:20:29.639 And he brought up a statement or something that Michael 1:20:29.640 --> 1:20:32.840 Irvin had said. He was like, uh, because at that 1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:37.519 time we were four and three, right seconds, we were 1:20:37.560 --> 1:20:40.200 four and three, still talented, still had a chance to 1:20:40.240 --> 1:20:44.479 made the playoffs. We easily we lost some games, close 1:20:44.560 --> 1:20:48.000 game and the only game that we got our butts 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:50.200 kick was the Pittsburgh game, So we easily could have 1:20:50.240 --> 1:20:52.920 been six and one, right, And so he he was like, 1:20:53.720 --> 1:20:56.640 he has asked a phrase. The question he goes, you know, 1:20:56.680 --> 1:20:58.280 I talked to Michael Irvin and I guess I guess 1:20:58.320 --> 1:21:01.360 Michael was doing TV or something like that, and he 1:21:01.479 --> 1:21:05.800 was like, uh, Michael said, you know if if Brett 1:21:05.840 --> 1:21:08.200 Farbes you guys this quarterback, you know, you guys would 1:21:08.200 --> 1:21:11.960 be a better team or something along those lines. I 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:14.479 just said, okay, I could I agree with that assessment 1:21:15.479 --> 1:21:18.200 just getting it had no it wasn't any slight towards 1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:21.519 done right. I was thinking that what Brett Farb had 1:21:21.560 --> 1:21:24.000 accomplished and who he was at that time, being sort 1:21:24.040 --> 1:21:26.360 of like he was a Hall of Fame quarterback. So 1:21:26.439 --> 1:21:28.200 I'm like, okay, when you switching and you putting that, 1:21:28.320 --> 1:21:32.599 But I didn't but I didn't. But that's what I'm saying. 1:21:33.400 --> 1:21:37.000 I don't. I didn't share him. I wasn't thinking at 1:21:37.040 --> 1:21:40.720 that time. I wasn't. I hadn't matured enough to understand 1:21:40.800 --> 1:21:45.720 the question process. You got your question. Well, he got 1:21:45.800 --> 1:21:49.280 me and he got me up out of there. He did, 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:53.600 he got me, He got me out of there. So 1:21:55.840 --> 1:22:01.000 the next day the headlines was Terrell says that you know, 1:22:01.680 --> 1:22:05.439 would be better with Brent, and I'm like what, I'm like, 1:22:07.760 --> 1:22:11.320 I didn't say that. I'm like, what are y'all if 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:15.519 you know how, yespionis loop the loop. It was all over. 1:22:16.360 --> 1:22:18.479 So I go in the next morning. That's all that 1:22:18.640 --> 1:22:22.800 was on the TVs. No, this was in the in 1:22:22.880 --> 1:22:29.600 the lunch and the man. Let me tell you, so 1:22:30.200 --> 1:22:32.720 this this became a firestorm. Bro It just kind of 1:22:32.800 --> 1:22:35.679 just it was like things just kind of just went haywire. 1:22:36.280 --> 1:22:39.639 And so I tried to address I'm like, yo, that's 1:22:39.680 --> 1:22:41.560 not what I said. And I basically, if this is 1:22:41.680 --> 1:22:43.840 because I said I told me. I said, yes, I 1:22:43.880 --> 1:22:47.040 would agree with that assessment. But I said, also Donovan 1:22:47.120 --> 1:22:50.320 had been hurt. And I said, if Donovan wasn't hurt, 1:22:50.360 --> 1:22:52.760 I said, we could easily be six and one right now. 1:22:53.320 --> 1:22:55.559 But that's not what they that's not what they did 1:22:55.680 --> 1:23:00.280 for though. So the team captain, Brian Dawkins is mother 1:23:00.439 --> 1:23:03.320 uh trotter. They basically corned me in the in the 1:23:03.479 --> 1:23:07.320 in the in the training room. What are you doing? Block? 1:23:07.320 --> 1:23:09.560 I said, Bro, that's not what I said, right, So 1:23:09.640 --> 1:23:11.720 I asked him, I said, yo, look at the transcript. 1:23:11.800 --> 1:23:14.000 I said, get the transcript, and somebody went and got 1:23:14.040 --> 1:23:17.439 the transcript. I said, read it, and something entired it 1:23:17.479 --> 1:23:19.800 and you will see exactly what I said. Right. They 1:23:20.000 --> 1:23:23.960 understood I'm sitting in our trainer's office with Brian. They 1:23:24.040 --> 1:23:27.439 saw that, right, But that's not how the media. It 1:23:27.520 --> 1:23:30.840 was too late then, right, because it was already right exact, 1:23:30.880 --> 1:23:35.000 the damage was already done. So I so I go 1:23:35.240 --> 1:23:37.800 to and you read I'm talking to Jeffrey Lewery and 1:23:37.840 --> 1:23:42.040 all those guys. And so at this point they don't 1:23:42.080 --> 1:23:44.760 know what what what needs to happen. So I have 1:23:44.920 --> 1:23:48.760 a publicist and we're trying to figure out what's what's 1:23:48.800 --> 1:23:51.640 going to happen. And so she basically wrote something down 1:23:51.720 --> 1:23:53.200 for me to obviously go before the meeting for a 1:23:53.280 --> 1:23:56.400 press conference or what have you. And so she had 1:23:56.760 --> 1:24:00.679 faxed it in to the equipment room to that number 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:03.000 to the equipment room, so that whoever got it from 1:24:03.040 --> 1:24:07.439 the equipment they read it. So before I went out 1:24:07.520 --> 1:24:10.600 from my press conference, went to the captains, talked to 1:24:10.680 --> 1:24:13.519 Brian and thinking I talked to Trotter. I showed Trotter 1:24:14.040 --> 1:24:15.880 what I what I had to read, like I was 1:24:15.920 --> 1:24:19.080 apologizing for the organization. It's not the other and it 1:24:19.560 --> 1:24:20.840 was a section only like you know, I want to 1:24:20.840 --> 1:24:24.840 apologize to don him blah blah blah. Trotter suggested I 1:24:24.960 --> 1:24:28.280 take that out because it was addressing because I was 1:24:28.400 --> 1:24:31.920 dressing him with the team. He didn't feel like he 1:24:32.000 --> 1:24:36.160 didn't feel like that I needed to address him. No, 1:24:36.320 --> 1:24:41.200 you yeah, you should have. That's what happened. So I 1:24:41.400 --> 1:24:43.680 didn't end up saying that part. I just said I 1:24:43.760 --> 1:24:48.599 apologized to the team, my teammates, and anybody that it offended. 1:24:48.960 --> 1:24:52.880 I offended whatever body saying that. So whomever got it 1:24:53.000 --> 1:24:56.479 from the fact machine, they saw that I didn't read that. 1:24:57.160 --> 1:25:00.160 They saw that you didn't read that. Bade him what 1:25:00.320 --> 1:25:07.400 the state, but the original statement, BINGO got back to 1:25:07.520 --> 1:25:10.439 the coach. You got back to the coach, then they 1:25:10.560 --> 1:25:13.680 must have told Donovan or what have you. And then 1:25:13.800 --> 1:25:17.800 he was ticked off because I didn't personally addressed or 1:25:17.840 --> 1:25:20.920 specifically address him. So Andy Reid wanted me to go 1:25:21.000 --> 1:25:24.479 out there in front of everybody and do it in 1:25:24.520 --> 1:25:26.160 front of everybody, and I told and now, I'm not 1:25:26.280 --> 1:25:29.200 doing that. That's not happening. You're not doing what We're 1:25:29.240 --> 1:25:31.000 not going out there, and he wanted he wanted you 1:25:31.040 --> 1:25:33.000 to do it again. I'm apologizing in front of the 1:25:33.080 --> 1:25:37.280 team to Donovan personal and I'm like, I'm not doing that. No, sir, 1:25:37.520 --> 1:25:39.479 I wasn't doing that because number one, I knew in 1:25:39.560 --> 1:25:42.960 my heart that I didn't mean for the way that 1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:46.280 the way that sounded, nor how the media spend it 1:25:46.880 --> 1:25:50.360 or spun it right to make it thing like I 1:25:50.439 --> 1:25:54.400 didn't Teo, you do understand how intent worked, and ten 1:25:54.520 --> 1:25:57.240 only matters to you. The person that was offended is 1:25:57.320 --> 1:25:59.760 equally as offended whether you meant it or not. Right, 1:25:59.840 --> 1:26:01.639 But we never even got to a point of even 1:26:01.720 --> 1:26:04.360 discussing that, you know what I mean. So I was 1:26:04.400 --> 1:26:06.400 just like, no, I'm not doing it. Why not just 1:26:06.479 --> 1:26:08.800 apot say brought because I felt like I did it 1:26:08.880 --> 1:26:12.400 within within the within the scope of what would I address, 1:26:12.520 --> 1:26:14.680 would that I address it. So when I apologize to 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:18.439 my teammates and anybody that then that's basically me addressing 1:26:19.400 --> 1:26:22.479 you can't do that because this thing you didn't say. 1:26:22.520 --> 1:26:27.080 You didn't say that's not just anybody that's the quarterback, 1:26:27.120 --> 1:26:29.880 and you said a quarterback from another team would be 1:26:30.080 --> 1:26:32.680 you guys would be better. Now that's not how you 1:26:32.840 --> 1:26:36.280 meant it, right, But that's how it came across once 1:26:36.360 --> 1:26:39.000 the headlines, because how do I get you to read 1:26:39.040 --> 1:26:41.880 the paper. I gotta get headlines, so I gotta put 1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:45.719 something in bold captured your tension so you will actually 1:26:45.800 --> 1:26:48.920 read it. So now that's so bro at the end 1:26:48.960 --> 1:26:50.800 of the day, when I've I've always said, you've heard 1:26:50.840 --> 1:26:52.920 me say this statement. If I could always, if I 1:26:52.960 --> 1:26:54.600 could go back, yeah, there would be some things I 1:26:54.600 --> 1:26:57.400 would do different. Okay, this is probably one of those things. 1:26:57.720 --> 1:27:00.040 But at that time that's not where my mind and 1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:02.760 said it was because I knew that that's not what 1:27:02.880 --> 1:27:06.200 I meant. I mean, I wouldn't intentionally throw my quarterback 1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:08.679 under the bus. I was just answering that question based 1:27:08.720 --> 1:27:11.160 on what he asked me. But then at the same time, 1:27:12.360 --> 1:27:15.880 the media did me a disservice because they didn't like said, 1:27:16.640 --> 1:27:19.600 they didn't they didn't include the second part of it 1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:21.880 because like YO done and had been injured that year. 1:27:21.920 --> 1:27:24.080 I said, we could have easily been six and one 1:27:24.200 --> 1:27:26.519 instead of sitting here four and three. So, but the 1:27:26.600 --> 1:27:28.559 thing is it, I just said, Okay, I was giving 1:27:28.600 --> 1:27:30.639 more respect, not more respect, but I was just giving 1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:34.120 kudos in respect to who Brett Farve was in the 1:27:34.200 --> 1:27:36.960 caliber of quarterback he was at that time. It wasn't 1:27:37.200 --> 1:27:40.960 anything any slight. No, it wasn't a slight. If you 1:27:41.600 --> 1:27:44.240 listen to how he phrased it, then you could see 1:27:44.640 --> 1:27:48.320 where I was coming from with my answer. What happened 1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:50.479 with you and Brad Seorgi's because you guys had a 1:27:50.880 --> 1:27:54.200 wasn't Brad he was the offensive coordinated right, You and 1:27:54.320 --> 1:27:57.519 him had a like a contentious relationship. Yeah. So once 1:27:57.600 --> 1:28:03.559 I think, uh, something happened, I got back and at 1:28:03.600 --> 1:28:05.400 this point in time, you didn't get suspended for the 1:28:05.439 --> 1:28:09.880 Donovan thing. You got suspended with budding heads with Brad. Right, Nah, 1:28:10.000 --> 1:28:11.880 it was combination. You would think it might be in 1:28:11.920 --> 1:28:16.559 a combination thing because they were going to play Washington 1:28:17.040 --> 1:28:21.760 that week, and so Andy Reid basically said, you know, 1:28:22.080 --> 1:28:24.040 we're gonna we're gonna go play Washington. You're gonna sit 1:28:24.120 --> 1:28:26.240 there from out and he said, oh the weekend, we're 1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:29.280 gonna you know, we're gonna talk to the you know, 1:28:29.479 --> 1:28:32.559 owner and you know obviously the other players or whatever, 1:28:33.080 --> 1:28:35.680 and we'll see, you know, we'll assess everything and then 1:28:35.840 --> 1:28:39.479 go from there. Right, and so little did I know 1:28:39.680 --> 1:28:42.120 that was the last game that you know practice that 1:28:42.280 --> 1:28:47.080 that that that I played. Okay, they suspend you. It 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:49.479 was only supposed to be for four games, right, No, 1:28:49.840 --> 1:28:51.640 but they changed the rule because they suspended you in 1:28:51.680 --> 1:28:53.880 definitely now they can only spend you for four games. Yeah, 1:28:53.920 --> 1:28:55.560 but Donovan had a hand and like I said, the 1:28:55.640 --> 1:29:00.320 feat how you know that t bro trust me? Trust me, 1:29:01.280 --> 1:29:05.400 trust me, trust me. So that was bad enough for 1:29:05.479 --> 1:29:09.800 me to be suspended for the whole year that that situation. Okay, 1:29:09.840 --> 1:29:12.479 what happened? What happened with the sit up in the driveway? 1:29:14.200 --> 1:29:17.920 What about it? I went to training camp. That was 1:29:18.000 --> 1:29:19.880 me and Andy Reid. We had it. We butted head. 1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:23.720 I had you know, they have like positions. Uh, after 1:29:23.960 --> 1:29:27.080 certain practice they go signed autographs. But I was injured. 1:29:27.080 --> 1:29:29.880 I had was nursing the growing injury, So that was 1:29:30.000 --> 1:29:35.680 my priority. I wanted to prioritize, right, So I when 1:29:35.720 --> 1:29:37.559 I came there to do your research. When I got 1:29:37.640 --> 1:29:40.519 to the Philadelphia Eagles and we went to Lei Stadium, 1:29:41.320 --> 1:29:45.720 it was tens of thousands there every day, Shannon, I 1:29:45.880 --> 1:29:51.840 signed autographs. I lad, I took pictures everything. So I 1:29:51.920 --> 1:29:54.080 didn't feel like I needed to take away from my 1:29:54.240 --> 1:29:56.439 treatment of me getting better and being on the football 1:29:57.960 --> 1:30:00.680 and the West Coast thing. What we do when they 1:30:00.720 --> 1:30:03.639 have to have certain groups, like one days the DBS, 1:30:04.000 --> 1:30:06.679 you go and you sign autograph for ten fifteen minutes. 1:30:07.000 --> 1:30:08.600 The next day it might be somewhere else and you 1:30:08.720 --> 1:30:12.320 might do that twice while you're in training camp. I 1:30:12.520 --> 1:30:16.040 was doing it daily, right because of just I knew 1:30:16.080 --> 1:30:19.320 that was part of it. If you're injured, your exempt 1:30:19.400 --> 1:30:21.360 from that, you go get treatment. That's how it was 1:30:21.439 --> 1:30:24.080 in Denver, thank you. So that's how I saw it. 1:30:24.160 --> 1:30:27.439 So I wanted to prioritize my help. Dude, he was 1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:30.200 running me in the ground, dude, like I ran every 1:30:30.439 --> 1:30:32.640 route every time. Done it with that quarterback. I had 1:30:32.680 --> 1:30:35.080 to run a round, right, Yeah. Yeah, that's that's how 1:30:35.160 --> 1:30:36.840 normally is as the start of then you go No. 1:30:37.080 --> 1:30:40.080 Even even the head trainer had to tell him, like, look, 1:30:40.760 --> 1:30:44.400 he's nursing a growing injury. You can't just run it wrong. 1:30:44.520 --> 1:30:47.320 I play. I practice hard, right, I know, I know. 1:30:47.920 --> 1:30:49.880 And so it was getting to me. So I got 1:30:49.960 --> 1:30:51.479 to the point like, yeah, I needed to get back 1:30:51.520 --> 1:30:53.320 on the field. That's how it was going to be productive. Right, 1:30:53.640 --> 1:30:55.960 That's what people pay their money. This kid you come 1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:58.000 to see. They come to see a show. Right, So 1:30:58.200 --> 1:31:01.759 I wanted to prioritize, prioritize that, and we butted heads, 1:31:01.880 --> 1:31:03.479 and he didn't like what I had to say, and 1:31:03.520 --> 1:31:05.559 I said, look, my health is more important than going 1:31:05.600 --> 1:31:09.479 to sign some autographs, like I signed just one day, right. 1:31:10.520 --> 1:31:12.280 So he he didn't like what I had to say. 1:31:12.320 --> 1:31:14.720 He told me to go home. He's like, how did 1:31:14.760 --> 1:31:17.759 you say it? Did you say, Andy, Look, I'm nursing 1:31:17.800 --> 1:31:20.519 a growing injury. Now I've signed. I trust me, I've 1:31:20.560 --> 1:31:23.360 signed my fears show up autographs. But you should understand 1:31:23.479 --> 1:31:25.560 that it wasn't we were in it. We were in 1:31:25.640 --> 1:31:27.719 a setting. We were like in the hallway or whatever, 1:31:27.960 --> 1:31:30.400 and so we were just kind of just going back 1:31:30.439 --> 1:31:33.000 and forth. The banter, you know, obviously started calm and 1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:34.560 then I didn't like what he had to say. He 1:31:34.600 --> 1:31:36.360 didn't like what I had to say. And then he 1:31:36.520 --> 1:31:39.519 was like, so again, I'm not gonna be disrespectful, right, 1:31:39.720 --> 1:31:41.720 But I was like saying our voices. Man raised a bit, 1:31:41.840 --> 1:31:44.840 but he was like, you know what, I'm not gonna 1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:46.800 be disrespectful, but I'm not gonna let you be disrespectful 1:31:46.800 --> 1:31:48.439 to me. I just got you the coach. Now, you 1:31:48.520 --> 1:31:50.320 don't think at this point I'm growing. At this point, 1:31:50.320 --> 1:31:53.320 I'm absolutely so. He bas just told me, like, you 1:31:53.360 --> 1:31:58.000 know what, go go home, he said, will we'll We'll 1:31:58.080 --> 1:32:00.240 get back to you. So I went back to the 1:32:00.320 --> 1:32:04.280 DORME got my stuff, drove back to UH to Morristown, 1:32:04.920 --> 1:32:07.880 and UH, little did I know, I get I get, 1:32:08.000 --> 1:32:10.479 I get home. At this point, I don't know what 1:32:10.520 --> 1:32:12.000 I don't know what I'm doing. I'm talking to you. 1:32:12.120 --> 1:32:15.240 I talked to UH my publicist at the time. I'm 1:32:15.240 --> 1:32:17.040 trying to change. You're trying to figure I'm like, what 1:32:17.200 --> 1:32:20.800 what what I do in the interiom? And so I 1:32:20.920 --> 1:32:24.200 had no idea that the time that I'm in there 1:32:24.280 --> 1:32:26.240 and I got into place in my in my house, 1:32:26.280 --> 1:32:29.720 I'm just walking around and then I heard some helicopters 1:32:30.280 --> 1:32:32.200 but I didn't. I didn't really think too much other 1:32:32.800 --> 1:32:36.000 So then I hear knock at the door and I 1:32:36.080 --> 1:32:38.559 got the blind had the little shutter blinds. I looked 1:32:38.600 --> 1:32:43.120 through that, Shannon. They were kemped. They had been set 1:32:43.200 --> 1:32:48.439 up shop. Who told him though? But I mean it 1:32:48.520 --> 1:32:50.639 was an hour and a half to get from Lehigh 1:32:50.720 --> 1:32:53.640 back to Morristown, so you can only imagine you know, 1:32:54.479 --> 1:32:58.360 who had contacted by that time. And then, like I said, 1:32:58.439 --> 1:33:01.080 you know, the local media or whatever. So they had 1:33:01.120 --> 1:33:05.439 the news truck everybody. I looked outside the tripod, I 1:33:05.560 --> 1:33:08.439 was like, Yo, this is crazy, Shandon. That was honestly, 1:33:08.479 --> 1:33:12.080 I knew I was gonna start in Shannon. I ain't 1:33:12.080 --> 1:33:14.840 going to him a lot. I was like, I'm a star, 1:33:16.479 --> 1:33:19.160 and so I just tried to make light of a situation, 1:33:19.280 --> 1:33:22.320 bring some levity to it. Okay, So before I left, Shandon, 1:33:22.400 --> 1:33:27.479 I mean before I left Lehigh, Coach Reid basically said, either, look, 1:33:27.680 --> 1:33:30.519 go home, we'll get you know, we'll get back. Don't 1:33:30.560 --> 1:33:32.680 follow us. We'll call you. Yeah, he said, just keep 1:33:32.720 --> 1:33:36.880 yourself in shape, okay, because they ain't really a good 1:33:36.960 --> 1:33:39.320 dude to you. No, no, no, yeah, no, no, Red 1:33:39.640 --> 1:33:41.880 is good dude. Everybody. We called him, call her red man. 1:33:42.240 --> 1:33:45.280 We talked. I talked to him now man and uh 1:33:45.520 --> 1:33:46.840 so I get to the house and like I said, 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:49.720 things happened and I just remember, you know, he was like, 1:33:50.000 --> 1:33:52.280 just make sure you're in shape. Right. So you know, 1:33:52.320 --> 1:33:54.000 in my house, I had an ab bench, you know, 1:33:54.120 --> 1:33:56.360 laying around the house. It's not the other So they 1:33:56.479 --> 1:33:58.360 kept knocking at my door. So I'm like, man, so 1:33:58.400 --> 1:34:00.280 I call him a publicity and she goes, you know, 1:34:01.200 --> 1:34:02.800 I said, what should I do? But la lad? So 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:05.439 I said, I went out. I went outside. At one 1:34:05.439 --> 1:34:07.280 point in time, I had a basketball goal when out 1:34:07.280 --> 1:34:09.240 some flip flops. I'm just shooting basketball, you know what 1:34:09.240 --> 1:34:11.559 I mean. I remember that the area of size they 1:34:11.600 --> 1:34:13.559 showed me basket side. I went back in the house. 1:34:14.000 --> 1:34:16.559 And then so when I went back out, you should 1:34:16.560 --> 1:34:18.840 have been like Charlie Field. Once you go back in 1:34:18.880 --> 1:34:21.160 the house, stay in the house like round home. Then 1:34:21.200 --> 1:34:23.840 you stay in your house. But they were gonna get 1:34:23.840 --> 1:34:25.599 They was gonna camp out there all day. I had 1:34:25.600 --> 1:34:29.880 to go eat. So this is what I said, Let 1:34:29.960 --> 1:34:31.479 me just make let me just have fun with it. 1:34:31.760 --> 1:34:32.880 And I just like I said, in the back of 1:34:32.920 --> 1:34:34.960 my mind, I'm just hearing and the reads keep yourself 1:34:35.000 --> 1:34:37.479 in shape, right. So I'm looking around, so I see 1:34:37.479 --> 1:34:39.680 my ab bench, and so I had to I was 1:34:39.720 --> 1:34:42.000 talking to my publicism shoot. And so that was the 1:34:42.000 --> 1:34:45.000 time when you had to little earpick until this day 1:34:45.040 --> 1:34:47.639 and took Nobody knew that she was on my earpiece. 1:34:47.680 --> 1:34:49.720 She was on live when I went out there, right, 1:34:50.000 --> 1:34:51.560 So when I took my ab bench out there, I 1:34:51.680 --> 1:34:54.360 was answering the questions. She heard what they were saying, 1:34:54.360 --> 1:34:55.880 and so she was just telling me what to say 1:34:55.960 --> 1:34:57.559 or whatever. Then that feel was something I didn't want 1:34:57.560 --> 1:34:59.599 to want to answer. I just said no comment, right. 1:35:00.000 --> 1:35:02.960 So that was the reason behind me bring number one 1:35:03.040 --> 1:35:04.519 the app bench out there, because I'm like, hey, he 1:35:04.600 --> 1:35:06.120 told me to come home, you know, come in here 1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:08.200 and stay and shape. So that's what I was doing. Okay, 1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:10.920 So you leave feeling it didn't work. I mean, you 1:35:11.040 --> 1:35:12.880 had a great like you said, in twenty one games, 1:35:12.920 --> 1:35:15.040 you had twenty touchdowns. You did go to the Super Bowl. 1:35:15.200 --> 1:35:19.160 Let's talk about that Super Bowl. Normally, if somebody plays 1:35:19.479 --> 1:35:23.680 injured or plays hurt, it's like, you know what, man, 1:35:23.760 --> 1:35:26.880 he did a good thing. Now he should be commended. Yeah, 1:35:27.120 --> 1:35:29.080 why did you get so much criticism. You're the only 1:35:29.160 --> 1:35:32.439 guy that's ever played in a game when you're you're 1:35:32.439 --> 1:35:35.040 not hurt, you're injured because you're seven weeks removed from 1:35:35.040 --> 1:35:37.040 a broken ankle and a torn ligament in your ankle. 1:35:38.360 --> 1:35:40.960 Why did you get so much criticism for trying to 1:35:41.040 --> 1:35:43.760 help your team win? Had that been anybody else, They're 1:35:43.800 --> 1:35:45.759 a build a statue of him. Like I said, I'm black, 1:35:46.040 --> 1:35:49.799 you know, I'm outspoken. That looked at as me a brass, selfish, 1:35:49.920 --> 1:35:53.360 arrogant type of players. So anything negative I felt like 1:35:53.439 --> 1:35:55.479 that they could throw towards me. That's what they did. 1:35:56.200 --> 1:35:57.800 And so again at the end of the day, I 1:35:58.040 --> 1:35:59.880 said it at the end of press conference to I'm like, yo, 1:36:00.040 --> 1:36:01.519 this would have been bred far if you guys would 1:36:01.520 --> 1:36:03.960 be praising him, you know what I mean. I looked 1:36:03.960 --> 1:36:05.479 at some of the games that he's played where he 1:36:05.640 --> 1:36:08.280 was sick or dealing with you know, family issues, and 1:36:08.400 --> 1:36:11.240 the way he played. I mean, he was lauded for that, right, 1:36:11.400 --> 1:36:13.920 you know what I mean? Just reasently Tom Brady played 1:36:13.920 --> 1:36:15.840 with thirteen stitches in the hand. They was like, that's 1:36:15.920 --> 1:36:19.120 like like he did something miraculous. But I played with 1:36:19.520 --> 1:36:21.840 the stint of the injury that I played with should 1:36:21.880 --> 1:36:25.840 have been out even the I even had to sign 1:36:25.880 --> 1:36:27.240 a way with the play in the Super Bowl. The 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:31.640 doctor didn't even men to clear me, didn't even clear me. 1:36:32.800 --> 1:36:35.600 But I had a broken fiddler, had two screws and 1:36:35.640 --> 1:36:37.800 a play in my ankle and knew it at the 1:36:37.880 --> 1:36:39.960 end of the day. Man, Like my grandmother's always just 1:36:40.000 --> 1:36:41.960 told me, just be true to who you are. Always 1:36:42.000 --> 1:36:44.800 have faith. And that's how I played the game. That's 1:36:44.800 --> 1:36:47.160 how I lived my life. Man, just on faith everything. 1:36:47.560 --> 1:36:50.599 You know, Faith is belief in something that seems doesn't 1:36:50.640 --> 1:36:52.680 that that doesn't seem possible, right, you know what I mean. 1:36:53.160 --> 1:36:55.439 That's what That was the caption on my post the 1:36:55.520 --> 1:36:58.680 other day. And that's that's how I've always operated, man. 1:36:58.760 --> 1:37:01.240 And for whatever reason, you know, the you know things 1:37:01.280 --> 1:37:07.519 were I was targeted, believe the unseen. Yeah, people said 1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:11.120 this and that about me because of hearsay, without even 1:37:11.160 --> 1:37:14.320 getting to know me. They perceived me the perceptions like 1:37:14.400 --> 1:37:16.680 it's I get it, it's out there, but I know me, 1:37:16.840 --> 1:37:19.519 I know my heart, my teammates know me. And just 1:37:19.640 --> 1:37:21.519 because like I said, a few people that may him 1:37:21.560 --> 1:37:24.400 not have liked me. People that are in the media. 1:37:24.520 --> 1:37:28.320 They created narratives, people jumped on those narratives, networks did 1:37:28.800 --> 1:37:31.599 and it just kind of just compounded. So I still 1:37:31.640 --> 1:37:33.760 get it today. People they don't approach me because of 1:37:33.840 --> 1:37:36.280 what they've heard and read throughout the course of course 1:37:36.320 --> 1:37:40.040 of my career. You go to Dallas, Jerry Jones is 1:37:40.080 --> 1:37:43.160 all in. Jerry Jones is giddy like he just opened 1:37:43.160 --> 1:37:47.160 the package opened the President on Christmas. But the head coach. 1:37:47.400 --> 1:37:51.320 You and the head coach kind of butted heads right away. Oh, Sales, 1:37:51.720 --> 1:37:54.880 we didn't bet. I had nothing against him. I know 1:37:55.000 --> 1:37:58.760 you didn't, So we didn't butt heads. Maybe he had 1:37:58.800 --> 1:38:03.120 a disagreement and the decision that, but I had nothing 1:38:03.160 --> 1:38:07.080 against part Sales, none whatsoever. So I don't really think 1:38:07.120 --> 1:38:11.000 we butted his right because of I guess maybe he 1:38:11.120 --> 1:38:12.960 just didn't agree with the decision to bring me in 1:38:13.040 --> 1:38:15.920 because Keyshan with his guy Keishaan, had played with him 1:38:15.960 --> 1:38:18.960 in and in New York with the Jets. He was 1:38:19.080 --> 1:38:21.799 there and he didn't feel like I was the caliber 1:38:22.120 --> 1:38:25.679 of a receiver that he needed. Possibly, but obviously Jerry 1:38:25.760 --> 1:38:28.400 Jones saw different, right, I mean, even to the pointer, 1:38:28.520 --> 1:38:30.400 Like I said when I left there, Keishaan went in 1:38:30.479 --> 1:38:32.600 the booth. He started taking shots to me when I 1:38:32.720 --> 1:38:36.920 was in when I was in Dallas. So to my 1:38:36.960 --> 1:38:38.559 whole much is given, much of the required a man, 1:38:38.640 --> 1:38:40.720 and I'm you dealt with a lot. You had a 1:38:40.760 --> 1:38:43.160 great relationship with Tony Romo, and Tony Rome will give 1:38:43.160 --> 1:38:46.240 you the ball. You go to Pro Bowls, You'll all pro. 1:38:47.360 --> 1:38:51.439 And then something happened. What happened? Bro? I have no idea. 1:38:51.520 --> 1:38:54.439 I signed a four year extension right going into the 1:38:54.520 --> 1:38:58.240 off season of after my third year I played six 1:38:58.360 --> 1:39:03.400 to oh nine. Right, Jerry Jones calls me and he's 1:39:03.880 --> 1:39:06.400 and I knew. I felt honored at the call because 1:39:06.800 --> 1:39:09.639 I've been on teams where I've heard how coaches, general 1:39:09.720 --> 1:39:12.240 managers and owners talk to the vets of teams and 1:39:12.800 --> 1:39:20.040 kind of asking their input. Same thing Aaron Rodgers is 1:39:20.120 --> 1:39:23.160 going through the last few years not feeling included. Dude, 1:39:23.160 --> 1:39:24.960 I felt honored. He called me and he was like, Yo, 1:39:25.040 --> 1:39:28.280 what do we need to get over the hump? I 1:39:28.439 --> 1:39:30.200 gave him my assessment of what we need to do 1:39:30.600 --> 1:39:32.479 based on the three years that I had been there. 1:39:33.000 --> 1:39:37.479 I got an extension. I go into the off season. 1:39:37.800 --> 1:39:40.639 I think it's like maybe two months I'm living in Florida. 1:39:41.439 --> 1:39:44.599 My agent is uh is living in Florida at the time, 1:39:44.640 --> 1:39:47.840 a financial guy. And so the owners mean as a 1:39:47.880 --> 1:39:52.320 big owners meeting or something in Florida. So Jerry's coming 1:39:52.360 --> 1:39:54.680 to town. My agent called me because, Yo, Jerry's coming 1:39:54.680 --> 1:39:56.800 in town. He wants to talk to you. This is 1:39:56.920 --> 1:40:00.200 right before I think the new stadium is we go 1:40:00.240 --> 1:40:02.800 into the new stadium in the following year. He was all, Jerry, 1:40:02.800 --> 1:40:04.599 didn't they want to talk to you, but bab about 1:40:04.760 --> 1:40:07.120 the upcoming season? Might I remind you? Now? I just 1:40:07.320 --> 1:40:11.720 I've already signed an extension, right. So we meet them 1:40:11.760 --> 1:40:17.360 at this hotel on the water, him and Stephen agent 1:40:17.479 --> 1:40:21.320 was there, Drew was there, and uh we go to 1:40:21.400 --> 1:40:24.040 this go inside the hotel and they take us back 1:40:24.080 --> 1:40:26.439 to the back of this restaurant and then they put us, 1:40:26.479 --> 1:40:28.479 you know, put us, put us at a table, and 1:40:28.600 --> 1:40:30.840 so they put a cloth over the table, this and 1:40:30.960 --> 1:40:33.479 and the other, and uh. So we just started talking 1:40:34.000 --> 1:40:35.880 and I could tell, like, you know, Jerry had been 1:40:35.960 --> 1:40:38.280 you know, had had a few, he had a couple 1:40:38.320 --> 1:40:39.679 of them, you know what I mean. I could just tell. 1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:44.080 And so I didn't really think much of it. Stephen 1:40:44.200 --> 1:40:47.320 was there. So we're at the table. Jerry's here. I 1:40:47.400 --> 1:40:50.120 think Drew was over here, and I think Stephen may 1:40:50.200 --> 1:40:52.000 have been over there. I can't remember if the other 1:40:52.040 --> 1:40:54.600 agent was there or not. And so, uh, he just 1:40:54.680 --> 1:40:59.519 started talking about the organization and just making comparisons here 1:40:59.560 --> 1:41:02.360 and there, talking about Romo and the Cowboys and bringing 1:41:02.439 --> 1:41:06.360 up me, and then he get he gets a pen 1:41:07.240 --> 1:41:10.519 and draws a line down the middle of the table. 1:41:11.520 --> 1:41:16.280 So now he starts kind of differentiating, kind of just separating, 1:41:16.800 --> 1:41:18.680 kind of like everything that's like, okay, you know, the 1:41:18.760 --> 1:41:21.800 cowboys over here, and then he put t over here. 1:41:22.240 --> 1:41:25.720 Then he would start, you know, he put one line 1:41:25.720 --> 1:41:27.120 over there, and then he started putting like, you know, 1:41:27.200 --> 1:41:30.240 I said Romo this, that, and the other Teo over here, 1:41:30.680 --> 1:41:35.840 organization here, t o here, anything positive or you know, 1:41:35.920 --> 1:41:38.720 related to the cowboys. He put on one side and 1:41:38.800 --> 1:41:41.599 then he basically like I'm on on this on this side, 1:41:42.040 --> 1:41:44.920 you by yourself. So then he drew a line down 1:41:45.040 --> 1:41:47.600 the middle of this and he said, we got a 1:41:47.640 --> 1:41:53.600 part ways. That's how I got cut. What but you 1:41:53.680 --> 1:41:56.200 at your side about for your extension the year before, right, 1:41:56.840 --> 1:42:02.240 That's how I got cuts and no line. That's how 1:42:02.400 --> 1:42:06.000 That's that's how it ended. When I looked, I looked 1:42:06.040 --> 1:42:09.559 at I remember Drew looked at me, and I looked 1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:12.040 at him, and I'm thinking, this is a joke. You're like, 1:42:12.080 --> 1:42:15.040 where the camera is, right, I'm looking for Asian culture. Yeah, 1:42:15.600 --> 1:42:17.479 y'all punking me this candy camera. I don't know if 1:42:17.479 --> 1:42:22.040 you want to remember candy camera. Yeah, but punk is so. 1:42:23.000 --> 1:42:26.240 And then when we saw that it was real, I 1:42:26.320 --> 1:42:28.720 think Drew asked you, like, are you serious? There is 1:42:28.760 --> 1:42:31.479 there any way we can you know, resolve this or 1:42:31.479 --> 1:42:37.599 whatever I did, I was kind of like in shock. 1:42:37.640 --> 1:42:39.360 I was kind of a lost words. I didn't I 1:42:39.400 --> 1:42:44.559 didn't really know what to say, what to do because 1:42:44.560 --> 1:42:48.080 Asians like, where do we go from here? I don't 1:42:48.120 --> 1:42:52.880 know what transpired from really that phone call that we had, 1:42:53.040 --> 1:42:58.560 you know, months prior to to to that day. The 1:42:58.680 --> 1:43:04.160 reports are you can confirm or deny that there was 1:43:04.240 --> 1:43:07.120 some started to be some tension between you and Jason Witt. 1:43:07.600 --> 1:43:10.479 Never I don't even know where that comes from. I've 1:43:10.520 --> 1:43:13.960 even had and seen shows with you and Skip and 1:43:14.000 --> 1:43:18.080 they said that he bucked up at me and he 1:43:18.200 --> 1:43:24.200 didn't bro Jason Winn has never confronted me We've never 1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:27.439 had any tension. And trust me, this ain't what he 1:43:27.520 --> 1:43:32.280 want anyway. I promise you, I knew, I promise Shannon, 1:43:32.400 --> 1:43:35.560 I promise you that. I promise you that I'm not 1:43:35.720 --> 1:43:38.800 no bad tough guys. But we never had any tension. 1:43:38.880 --> 1:43:41.760 So I don't even know where Skip got that from, right, 1:43:42.080 --> 1:43:44.280 And he said that he confronted me. I remember he 1:43:44.400 --> 1:43:47.439 was like, oh wit and confronted t O at practice 1:43:47.479 --> 1:43:51.240 and I backed down. I'm like what but stuff like that, 1:43:51.320 --> 1:43:53.000 I just I just let it. I just let it go. 1:43:53.880 --> 1:43:55.439 And that's how a lot of stuff in the media 1:43:55.520 --> 1:43:58.280 gets blown out of proportion. Believe X y Z. But 1:43:58.560 --> 1:44:03.599 till your numbers didn't want to release due did Gerry. 1:44:03.840 --> 1:44:05.560 I came on the show and I showed you. I 1:44:05.680 --> 1:44:09.040 told you everything. I even brought the the what is 1:44:09.040 --> 1:44:12.640 it the release papers or whatever? It said conduct detrimental 1:44:12.720 --> 1:44:15.960 to the team is why I was being released it 1:44:16.200 --> 1:44:18.760 it no, was it performance based? It was one of 1:44:18.760 --> 1:44:22.880 the other yeah, because that's only that that's true closet right, right, 1:44:23.280 --> 1:44:26.560 So I think it, Uh, yeah, it was mark performance 1:44:26.600 --> 1:44:30.640 bas it had exactly. I brought the I brought the 1:44:30.680 --> 1:44:33.599 paper on the show because I got somebody to send 1:44:33.640 --> 1:44:35.479 it to me because it has to be filed with 1:44:35.520 --> 1:44:38.880 the NFL absolute and I and I when I read that, 1:44:39.280 --> 1:44:42.560 it said the reason that I was being cut was 1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:46.080 performance based. It had nothing to do with conduct detrimental 1:44:46.120 --> 1:44:48.040 to the team. But if you let Skip Bayless tell it, 1:44:53.040 --> 1:44:55.680 he'll piss in your face and tell you of all 1:44:55.760 --> 1:44:59.840 the of all the releases, the parting of the way 1:45:00.000 --> 1:45:01.960 at the forty nine is the parting of the Eagles 1:45:02.560 --> 1:45:05.519 the Cowboys. It seems to me the Cowboys hurt the 1:45:05.600 --> 1:45:11.080 most because I Bro it's and I don't like when 1:45:11.200 --> 1:45:13.960 you know, obviously quarterbacks, you know, they're they're like the 1:45:14.040 --> 1:45:19.040 head coach there. They start getting control. Romo started to play, 1:45:19.600 --> 1:45:23.360 you know, lights out again. I was a part of 1:45:23.479 --> 1:45:26.920 his success. And then he was dating Jessica Simpson. He 1:45:27.040 --> 1:45:30.240 was a star you went to back for because remember 1:45:30.280 --> 1:45:32.679 they lost to the Giants. He was the Mexico Party 1:45:32.720 --> 1:45:35.680 with Jessica. You was only saying that's my quarterback. You 1:45:35.840 --> 1:45:38.920 you went to back for. Bro. Trust me, not only 1:45:39.000 --> 1:45:41.719 did I see things that were going on during practice 1:45:41.760 --> 1:45:43.840 games or whatever. He was forcing the ball in double 1:45:44.000 --> 1:45:47.240 double coverage to witness and Bro, I wasn't the only 1:45:47.320 --> 1:45:49.800 one that mentioned some of those things. Maybe those guys 1:45:49.880 --> 1:45:53.720 weren't vocal enough or had the balls enough to say it, 1:45:54.000 --> 1:45:56.519 and I did. I addressed it. And maybe he didn't 1:45:56.520 --> 1:45:58.240 like the truth, but I saw it. And it wasn't 1:45:58.320 --> 1:46:00.960 like I addressed things behind closed doors. Like I said 1:46:01.000 --> 1:46:03.320 when I went to Philly, I wasn't trying to have 1:46:03.479 --> 1:46:06.720 that stigma that I was a bad teammate. All these 1:46:06.760 --> 1:46:08.519 things that I've heard, Okay, we're going to keep things 1:46:08.560 --> 1:46:11.720 in the house. Let's talk. That's what I was doing, right. 1:46:12.240 --> 1:46:14.720 My coaches, they'll tell you the things that we addressed. 1:46:14.920 --> 1:46:19.000 As an offense or individual. It got outside of the 1:46:19.120 --> 1:46:23.840 room and wasn't but there were specific people in that room, 1:46:24.200 --> 1:46:27.120 so you know it came from one of them. My 1:46:27.320 --> 1:46:30.320 coach even knew who that came from. I knew when 1:46:30.360 --> 1:46:33.000 no players weren't gonna say nothing, and it got to 1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:38.000 the media about very I'm talking about what was being 1:46:40.520 --> 1:46:42.240 you know where it came from. You know who said it? 1:46:42.360 --> 1:46:46.160 Trust me. So all of that stuff, man, and the 1:46:46.240 --> 1:46:50.360 Todd Hayley's, the wittings and all the stuff that transpired. Man, 1:46:50.479 --> 1:46:54.920 like I said, it is what it is. I know, 1:46:55.120 --> 1:46:57.800 Like I said, they had a hand and and me 1:46:58.000 --> 1:47:02.479 not returning. There was something that happened, and when dads 1:47:02.520 --> 1:47:05.840 went through that little situation, guess who was still there. 1:47:07.120 --> 1:47:10.920 It was a similar situation with Romo, Garrett and Whitton. 1:47:11.920 --> 1:47:15.400 Why he started, you know, trust me, whether smoked this sprit, 1:47:15.400 --> 1:47:16.840 Like I said, I don't just say stuff just to 1:47:16.880 --> 1:47:21.080 be saying. And then years later people now seeing they think, 1:47:21.200 --> 1:47:25.160 like man TiO was on or something, maybe there's something 1:47:25.200 --> 1:47:27.160 to it. I'm just not gonna make something up, bro, 1:47:27.280 --> 1:47:30.080 Like I was a team player. Man, if I'm running 1:47:30.120 --> 1:47:32.840 route Shannon, I know what I know. I know my 1:47:32.960 --> 1:47:34.560 job as a number one receiver. I can be a 1:47:34.640 --> 1:47:37.640 decod I can be number one. I know how valuable 1:47:37.920 --> 1:47:40.280 I was. I mean there were times, man, I would 1:47:40.760 --> 1:47:43.000 haul ass off the line knowing I wasn't going to 1:47:43.040 --> 1:47:44.640 get the ball Shanning, But I know my tight end 1:47:44.720 --> 1:47:46.880 gonna be open, somebody in the scene is gonna be 1:47:47.720 --> 1:47:50.040 That's what I do, right. There were games I remember 1:47:51.840 --> 1:47:55.680 I'm sprinting down the field witting I'm clear enough for 1:47:55.720 --> 1:47:57.400 my guy. I wanna get my guy knocked out. He 1:47:57.560 --> 1:48:00.320 makes a big game. I'm running back to the heart 1:48:00.320 --> 1:48:02.439 of wit man. He goes to bed tea. He goes, Man, 1:48:03.040 --> 1:48:06.479 this play never happens if you don't do what you're doing, right, Shannon, 1:48:06.560 --> 1:48:09.120 That's that's who I was, right. But if you listen 1:48:09.200 --> 1:48:12.080 to the media, they're gonna tell you something totally different. 1:48:12.760 --> 1:48:14.759 And that's why I was so confident in my ability 1:48:14.840 --> 1:48:16.240 and I did what I did, and I was still 1:48:16.320 --> 1:48:18.479 outspoken because my grandmother told me to tell the truth. 1:48:18.479 --> 1:48:19.760 You know what I mean. I didn't know anything about 1:48:19.760 --> 1:48:22.120 being politically correction right, you know what I mean. That's 1:48:22.160 --> 1:48:25.640 not that I wasn't. I wasn't wired that way. And 1:48:25.720 --> 1:48:28.479 when they asked me something, I answered it. You know, 1:48:28.520 --> 1:48:30.760 I wasn't thinking, Okay, if I answered this way, okay, 1:48:30.840 --> 1:48:33.559 this is putting this guy, you know, in harm's way. 1:48:33.600 --> 1:48:35.760 I didn't. I wasn't thinking that way. But as I 1:48:35.920 --> 1:48:38.360 got older and I started, Okay, this is the media 1:48:38.439 --> 1:48:40.800 is angled, this is how they do things. And so now, 1:48:40.960 --> 1:48:43.000 like I said, then when you start not wanting to 1:48:43.040 --> 1:48:45.280 talk to the media, then they have a problem with you. 1:48:46.479 --> 1:48:48.479 When they're making you look bad. It's like, okay, you 1:48:48.560 --> 1:48:50.800 can't win, right. So that's why, like I said, I 1:48:50.960 --> 1:48:53.360 let my play do the talking and speaking for me, 1:48:53.479 --> 1:48:56.040 and I felt like it did loud, and so I 1:48:56.240 --> 1:48:59.880 realized that I had the last say. Nobody like I said, 1:49:00.080 --> 1:49:03.679 whatever went on. If I went out and played poorly, 1:49:04.040 --> 1:49:06.000 it was only gonna validate what they were saying and 1:49:06.040 --> 1:49:08.000 what they were talking about. So I just did what 1:49:08.080 --> 1:49:11.639 I had to do. But I mean, I don't think 1:49:11.720 --> 1:49:15.320 sometimes you even realize what you accomplished. You go to 1:49:15.400 --> 1:49:18.519 San Francisco and eventually you're the leading receiver. You go 1:49:18.600 --> 1:49:21.080 to Philly, you're the lead receiver. You go to Dallas, 1:49:21.200 --> 1:49:23.800 you're the leading receiver. You go to Buffalo and you 1:49:23.920 --> 1:49:27.439 only what you played. I think you played fourteen games, 1:49:28.560 --> 1:49:31.479 you the leading receiver. And then and it was guys 1:49:31.560 --> 1:49:34.720 what ten years younger than me. Yeah, Lee Evans was 1:49:34.800 --> 1:49:37.720 a leading receiver in Buffalo. I go to Cincinnati. Chad 1:49:37.760 --> 1:49:40.280 had been there with car car for nine ten years. 1:49:40.560 --> 1:49:42.160 He's been the leader. And you don't have a double D. 1:49:42.240 --> 1:49:43.800 You touch that m a foul yard. Had you not 1:49:44.040 --> 1:49:47.839 tore your knee up with two games left, three games finished, 1:49:47.880 --> 1:49:51.920 with what nine seventy three or something like that, could 1:49:51.960 --> 1:49:55.960 have had a thousand, easy right ten ten touchdowns And 1:49:56.360 --> 1:49:58.720 during that season, people don't even know that Monday night. 1:49:58.720 --> 1:50:00.360 If you go back and watch that money him see 1:50:00.360 --> 1:50:02.800 the highlights. I had a broken hand during that game 1:50:03.840 --> 1:50:06.840 and had like ten receptions something y like in a 1:50:06.920 --> 1:50:11.519 touchdown and against Troy Polamalu. I had broke my hand 1:50:11.720 --> 1:50:14.240 during during the week of practice. All I put a 1:50:14.320 --> 1:50:17.160 pad on it balled out when I got people didn't 1:50:17.160 --> 1:50:18.679 even know that when I got when I got tackled, 1:50:18.680 --> 1:50:20.240 I had to get up off my on my wrist 1:50:20.320 --> 1:50:22.479 because I couldn't put my hand down right. But those 1:50:22.520 --> 1:50:24.120 are the things that I did. I played with pain. 1:50:24.800 --> 1:50:28.080 I did it for the team, you know what I mean, 1:50:28.120 --> 1:50:30.560 because I knew how valuable I was. I learned that 1:50:30.680 --> 1:50:33.639 early on. I saw what Jerry did, and then I adopted, 1:50:33.760 --> 1:50:35.840 you know, uh some of those things that he did 1:50:35.920 --> 1:50:38.960 in his play. And then I just took what God 1:50:39.040 --> 1:50:41.880 blessed me and kind of just took a little bit 1:50:41.920 --> 1:50:47.240 of what Jerry did. And you got TiO. If you 1:50:47.320 --> 1:50:50.680 could have you talked to Dolan since you left Philly Man, 1:50:50.760 --> 1:50:53.240 we've talked and dressed at a couple of times, and 1:50:53.240 --> 1:50:55.400 then I think it was over the summer. During the 1:50:56.280 --> 1:51:02.280 last year it resurfaced. Hate uh Ts does his show 1:51:02.320 --> 1:51:06.160 called untold Stories. He brings Donovan on and this is 1:51:06.240 --> 1:51:08.120 how it came back, This is how it comes back up. 1:51:09.000 --> 1:51:11.120 He addresses what happened or have you? And then he 1:51:11.800 --> 1:51:14.240 says that I, you know that I prevented them from 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:17.280 going back to back to super Bowls, this and that 1:51:17.320 --> 1:51:21.640 and the other. But which was a bunch of hogwash 1:51:21.800 --> 1:51:27.040 because it's hypocrisy at it at its finest because during 1:51:27.160 --> 1:51:29.640 the time that they were asking him questions about you 1:51:29.720 --> 1:51:31.200 know what, i'd be ready or it would need you, 1:51:32.479 --> 1:51:36.760 he didn't need me. But now years later, you want 1:51:36.800 --> 1:51:41.640 to recount what happened, And now now I prevented you 1:51:41.760 --> 1:51:43.680 from going to prevent the team from going to the 1:51:43.720 --> 1:51:45.400 Super Bowl? So which is it going to be? Right? 1:51:46.240 --> 1:51:49.200 So I just had to basically just follow up, you know, 1:51:50.040 --> 1:51:51.600 on you know, do a follow up or just so 1:51:51.720 --> 1:51:55.320 I kind of just but y'all cool, No, we ain't cool, 1:51:55.439 --> 1:51:57.519 not after that, because I thought we were. We had 1:51:57.600 --> 1:51:59.400 addressed it at some point. I had to run into 1:51:59.479 --> 1:52:01.760 him and I thought were cool, okay, and then this 1:52:01.880 --> 1:52:08.520 show comes about untold story. Then he's and it's exactly 1:52:10.160 --> 1:52:13.400 So I just had to address, you know, what he 1:52:13.479 --> 1:52:15.320 had put out there, and so I just basically just 1:52:15.439 --> 1:52:19.479 gave my side of the story. So, man, during that 1:52:19.600 --> 1:52:24.559 time that I played, and you know, media had asked 1:52:24.640 --> 1:52:26.680 him during my tenure there, you know, did I help 1:52:26.760 --> 1:52:29.000 him become a better, you know, better quarterback? This's not 1:52:29.040 --> 1:52:30.720 and the other he got to I think he took 1:52:30.720 --> 1:52:34.240 a finch to that. And why I did you had 1:52:34.280 --> 1:52:36.080 to ask him that. I don't know why, but I 1:52:36.160 --> 1:52:38.679 even had. I had a conversation with my my receiver 1:52:38.840 --> 1:52:41.479 coach at that time about some of the same things 1:52:41.520 --> 1:52:43.800 that the media was asking about his stats and how 1:52:43.880 --> 1:52:46.479 they increase. And you look at before I was got there, 1:52:46.920 --> 1:52:49.160 when I got there, and after I got there, it 1:52:49.320 --> 1:52:52.880 was obvious, right and my my coach knew that. But 1:52:52.960 --> 1:52:56.000 for whatever reason, he didn't like the question or the 1:52:56.120 --> 1:52:58.400 idea that I came in and I made him a 1:52:58.439 --> 1:53:01.719 better But I get my numbers with jar. They always 1:53:01.760 --> 1:53:04.400 look at my number without but I didn't have a problem. 1:53:04.520 --> 1:53:06.560 I didn't have a problem. He had the problem with 1:53:06.680 --> 1:53:09.479 that I didn't. So this is where all of this, 1:53:09.680 --> 1:53:12.240 you know, like I said, where things went wrong that 1:53:12.600 --> 1:53:15.320 it was him. It wasn't me, but everybody would think 1:53:15.400 --> 1:53:20.160 it's me because of history and the narrative that everywhere 1:53:20.240 --> 1:53:22.320 that I go, I'm an issue. Yeah, it's hard to 1:53:22.439 --> 1:53:25.280 run your reputation, right, So, like I said, I just 1:53:25.360 --> 1:53:26.880 had to be true to who I was man. At 1:53:26.880 --> 1:53:29.160 the end of the day, I know that with every 1:53:29.240 --> 1:53:31.920 quarterback that I played, the good ones, that average ones not. 1:53:32.040 --> 1:53:34.040 So I wouldn't have been able to do what I 1:53:34.120 --> 1:53:37.240 did without them, right, it was a complimentary thing, you 1:53:37.320 --> 1:53:41.080 know what I mean. So it was I was, you know, 1:53:41.200 --> 1:53:42.680 I was like a kid in a cash store, just 1:53:42.840 --> 1:53:45.479 like at he knew what he was getting. I knew 1:53:45.520 --> 1:53:47.400 what I was getting myself into when I went to 1:53:48.120 --> 1:53:51.080 h It's a high powered offense that needed somewhat somebody 1:53:51.360 --> 1:53:56.599 on my caliber. The defense was was stocked stacked. Uh, 1:53:57.479 --> 1:54:02.720 you got Trotter Simon, you got Dawkins Lewis. I mean 1:54:03.120 --> 1:54:06.800 the defense was there. Our defense were like offense. So 1:54:06.920 --> 1:54:08.800 I already knew I was gonna score. I was gonna 1:54:08.800 --> 1:54:10.960 be scoring touchdown looking right, because we're gonna have a 1:54:11.000 --> 1:54:13.200 short field. Was gonna get the ball a lot. And 1:54:13.320 --> 1:54:16.759 so the numbers that we put up like, he improved 1:54:16.840 --> 1:54:20.080 in pretty much every category, right, and for whatever reason 1:54:20.200 --> 1:54:22.760 he doesn't not that he needs or I need any 1:54:22.800 --> 1:54:26.000 validation but the media. But the numbers speak for themselves. 1:54:26.160 --> 1:54:29.360 I get that. So, like I said, it wasn't a 1:54:29.520 --> 1:54:33.440 mean situation. It wasn't me that was causing issues. What's 1:54:33.480 --> 1:54:36.040 your relationship like with Tony Romo? I mean we're cool. 1:54:36.040 --> 1:54:37.800 I haven't really said too much about you know, to 1:54:37.960 --> 1:54:40.040 him or what have you talked to him each other? 1:54:40.840 --> 1:54:42.760 M No, I don't think. No we have. We haven't 1:54:42.800 --> 1:54:46.160 not now we haven't talked. You mentioned a lot about 1:54:46.200 --> 1:54:49.280 your grandmother. You grew up in a small town in Alabama, 1:54:49.360 --> 1:54:55.040 Alexander City. Talk about your upbringing and have that shape 1:54:55.520 --> 1:54:58.680 the teal that we see today. Man, went to church, 1:54:58.760 --> 1:55:00.760 you know how they went to church every Sunday, do 1:55:00.880 --> 1:55:04.920 it throughout the course of the week. That was missionary 1:55:05.080 --> 1:55:10.320 Bible students students. Man, it was something. It was something 1:55:10.360 --> 1:55:14.760 to do every day of the week. Yes, deacon board meeting. 1:55:15.200 --> 1:55:16.640 I didn't need hathing to do with that. But I 1:55:16.760 --> 1:55:19.000 was going with my grandmason. She went, I went right, 1:55:19.560 --> 1:55:23.840 and she always instill like she instilled Usn't you know 1:55:24.200 --> 1:55:27.200 what faith was about the higher being of God? And 1:55:27.400 --> 1:55:29.960 you know I'm not a Bible thumper or anything like that. 1:55:30.920 --> 1:55:34.720 I know I'm truly blessed. I didn't get all this, 1:55:36.600 --> 1:55:38.120 just wake up with it, you know what I mean. 1:55:38.680 --> 1:55:45.200 And so like I told you, faith, you know, that's 1:55:46.000 --> 1:55:49.800 what she always told him. Believe in yourself and have faith. 1:55:50.840 --> 1:55:54.400 And I've always been that way, uh, you know, throughout everything, 1:55:54.640 --> 1:55:59.320 through the highs and lows, just with the naysayer, the tractors, 1:56:00.000 --> 1:56:02.280 I mean, even just being on social media, even now, 1:56:02.440 --> 1:56:04.760 just with you know, me posting stuff and people thinking 1:56:04.800 --> 1:56:07.320 I'm crazy, I'm washed up. They thinking I'm doing it 1:56:07.440 --> 1:56:13.480 for X y Z. They don't know me, and they 1:56:13.680 --> 1:56:15.960 if they got a chance to see how I was raised. 1:56:15.960 --> 1:56:18.840 I was raised by a strict grandmother, you know, growing 1:56:18.920 --> 1:56:25.320 up in the segregation era. Listening to her talk about 1:56:25.920 --> 1:56:28.080 the hard ships not only that she had gone through, 1:56:28.160 --> 1:56:32.040 but her mom and dad picking cotton. I can't imagine 1:56:32.080 --> 1:56:35.600 picking cotton in the hot sun. Bro we get in 1:56:35.680 --> 1:56:37.120 the hot sun. We got it. We were going in 1:56:37.160 --> 1:56:41.040 the shade. My daughters two years ago took her to 1:56:41.080 --> 1:56:45.640 Alabama for the first time. Shannon. She was like, it's hot, 1:56:45.760 --> 1:56:49.560 I go. She couldn't stand it. She wouldn't go in 1:56:49.640 --> 1:56:52.760 the house. But I I can't imagine. You know, some 1:56:52.920 --> 1:56:56.520 of the things that you know, we as black America 1:56:56.800 --> 1:56:59.920 America has gone through, and just listening to her talk 1:57:00.240 --> 1:57:03.400 to her friends at that time, you know some of 1:57:03.480 --> 1:57:06.800 what she had to go through. And so even like 1:57:06.880 --> 1:57:08.520 I said, going through some of the things that I 1:57:08.680 --> 1:57:14.560 saw race, the systemic racism, and just being treated differently 1:57:14.840 --> 1:57:18.080 because I felt like I was a black man, strong 1:57:18.160 --> 1:57:21.640 man and outspoken, Shannon, I didn't I wasn't doing anything wrong. 1:57:23.920 --> 1:57:25.440 My mom and my grandma would, they would be the 1:57:25.480 --> 1:57:29.240 first to tell me. I had coaches, black coaches on 1:57:29.400 --> 1:57:32.800 the staff that I looked, looked up to. Its big brothers, 1:57:32.920 --> 1:57:36.880 fathers or whatever. They they would they was aware of 1:57:36.960 --> 1:57:39.480 what was going on, and they pulled me to the side. 1:57:39.480 --> 1:57:41.600 They say, yep, tee, you're not doing nothing wrong. If 1:57:41.640 --> 1:57:44.240 you're doing something, we'll tell you. That's why I still 1:57:44.320 --> 1:57:47.360 went out there no matter what, no matter what the 1:57:47.440 --> 1:57:49.440 media was saying about me. And that's why I still 1:57:49.520 --> 1:57:53.760 went out on that field and I played because I 1:57:53.960 --> 1:57:56.240 was I was a strong but I was mentally strong 1:57:56.360 --> 1:58:00.000 and I didn't allow anything and everything that the media 1:58:00.040 --> 1:58:01.560 you said about me, it was good or bad or 1:58:01.600 --> 1:58:02.800 what have you, and some of it, a lot of 1:58:02.800 --> 1:58:06.600 it was bad to manifest because you talk about mental 1:58:06.680 --> 1:58:09.800 health awareness how it is now. I would have been 1:58:09.840 --> 1:58:12.840 a candidate for that, right, but I didn't. That's not 1:58:12.960 --> 1:58:14.960 how I rolled. That's not how I was built, right. 1:58:16.280 --> 1:58:19.240 You know, as an athlete, we're building to get to 1:58:19.360 --> 1:58:23.920 that next level. No matter what. It's mental toughness. That's 1:58:23.960 --> 1:58:25.960 what makes us who we are. That's what makes the 1:58:26.560 --> 1:58:29.560 the good and the great ones so great. And not 1:58:29.720 --> 1:58:32.160 taking away from, you know, minimizing mental health a weddings. 1:58:32.200 --> 1:58:35.080 I know that it's out there because we all experienced that. 1:58:35.480 --> 1:58:38.480 Sometimes we go through those dark days and times. We 1:58:38.600 --> 1:58:41.240 all have best, some days better than others. So man, 1:58:41.400 --> 1:58:44.000 just growing up in a house man and my not 1:58:44.200 --> 1:58:45.880 knowing who my dad was, and I was like a 1:58:45.960 --> 1:58:49.480 precheen right before thirteen, and realizing that he was. I 1:58:49.640 --> 1:58:51.760 was going to my dad's house and I didn't know 1:58:52.040 --> 1:58:56.000 he stayed right across the street street from me. I didn't. 1:58:56.440 --> 1:58:58.480 I don't. I never thought about it. But I mean, 1:58:58.960 --> 1:59:00.680 as I grew up, I'm sure that may have had 1:59:00.760 --> 1:59:03.760 some type of effect on me, but I didn't prioritize, 1:59:03.840 --> 1:59:05.440 you know, what I didn't have or what have you. 1:59:05.520 --> 1:59:07.320 I just may do with what I did have, and 1:59:07.400 --> 1:59:09.720 that was my grandmother there and she taught me right 1:59:09.800 --> 1:59:13.160 from wrong. And then even now, I mean, people will again, 1:59:13.320 --> 1:59:15.680 they will perceive me to be this person because of 1:59:15.760 --> 1:59:18.000 how the media has betrayed me. But if I was 1:59:18.080 --> 1:59:20.760 such a bad person, you would think of ten years 1:59:20.840 --> 1:59:22.440 or whatever how many years I've been out of league, 1:59:22.760 --> 1:59:24.480 I would probably be in jail. I probably would have 1:59:24.560 --> 1:59:28.520 done something to validate or give you a hint that, okay, 1:59:28.680 --> 1:59:32.080 this is what this is what going. But I'm not 1:59:32.240 --> 1:59:35.520 that sham, right, And I thank God for my grandmother 1:59:36.120 --> 1:59:37.960 for who I am, And that's why I hold my 1:59:38.080 --> 1:59:41.240 head up high no matter what you know, anybody says 1:59:41.280 --> 1:59:43.120 about me. And I know there are people that I 1:59:43.120 --> 1:59:45.839 will come in contact with if they look at me sideways, 1:59:45.880 --> 1:59:47.960 they think certain things. I can see it, I can 1:59:48.040 --> 1:59:51.360 feel it. But I am who I am, and I said, 1:59:51.400 --> 1:59:55.240 I'm not gonna change just to appease you. Like I said, 1:59:55.440 --> 1:59:57.280 the things that I've done on the football field has 1:59:57.320 --> 2:00:00.680 afforded me daily opportunities, right, you know, people and the 2:00:00.920 --> 2:00:03.800 stuff on the internet about me losing money and having 2:00:03.840 --> 2:00:06.040 this not and the other, I'm doing such and such 2:00:06.120 --> 2:00:09.040 for money. Bro, I've I've been without money, and I've 2:00:09.080 --> 2:00:13.600 had money and I'm fine, I look good, my kids 2:00:13.640 --> 2:00:19.240 are fine. Why are they worried about me? Right? So again, 2:00:19.320 --> 2:00:21.160 my grandmother like said, I owe a lot to her, 2:00:21.200 --> 2:00:24.880 and and my mom. My mom like said, she raised 2:00:24.920 --> 2:00:29.080 four kids. I got two sisters and a brother. They 2:00:29.200 --> 2:00:33.760 supported me. And man, it's it's amazing that I came 2:00:33.840 --> 2:00:36.560 out of Alexandra City, Alabama. I came out of Benjamin 2:00:36.600 --> 2:00:42.400 Russell High School, Shannon. We had some studies, we had 2:00:42.440 --> 2:00:46.120 some stars at Benjamin Russell High School, and I guarantee 2:00:46.200 --> 2:00:49.240 you none of them would have thought that I would 2:00:49.280 --> 2:00:51.480 have been the one that make made it to where 2:00:51.480 --> 2:00:53.960 I made it. I appreciate you stopping by man, man, 2:00:54.080 --> 2:00:56.760 best of luck, continue appreciate it all. With the wine, 2:00:56.920 --> 2:00:59.840 the glass of the U, the clothing. Oh yeah, I 2:00:59.840 --> 2:01:01.320 got to get you some of my candles too. I 2:01:01.360 --> 2:01:03.680 got candles everything. You know. I told you about my 2:01:04.000 --> 2:01:08.040 my my three pillars of success, desired, dedication, and discipline. 2:01:08.320 --> 2:01:10.600 And I have a wine parent candle that goes with 2:01:10.680 --> 2:01:13.720 the wine. We took some of the tasty notes and 2:01:13.840 --> 2:01:16.400 we made a wine parent and a gold vessel. So 2:01:17.160 --> 2:01:21.520 we have since dedicated to desire dedication, and discipline. You 2:01:21.600 --> 2:01:26.040 know I live. Drop it off, what Bro, I want you. 2:01:26.160 --> 2:01:28.120 I want you to unveil it, just like you unveil 2:01:28.160 --> 2:01:33.760 your lebrons and your shoes shoes surgeon shoes. Yeah, I yeah, 2:01:33.800 --> 2:01:35.840 I want that same treatment you want. The first wanted 2:01:35.880 --> 2:01:37.280 to call me after I have my hip surge just 2:01:37.480 --> 2:01:42.000 a you need anything, man, trust me, I drop I know, 2:01:42.160 --> 2:01:43.640 I know where you live. I drop it off if 2:01:43.640 --> 2:01:46.800 you need it. Bro. I appreciate that. I know that, 2:01:46.880 --> 2:01:50.000 I know I feel. Yeah. You know I've gone to 2:01:50.040 --> 2:01:51.920 bad for you. No, no, for sure, And like I said, 2:01:51.960 --> 2:01:54.840 I take the criticism good and bad, and I take 2:01:54.880 --> 2:01:56.440 it for what it's worth because you know I'm a 2:01:56.480 --> 2:01:59.240 true friend to you. That's what you know. Yeah. Yeah, 2:02:00.120 --> 2:02:03.000 really appreciate talking about best to look on your podcast. 2:02:03.080 --> 2:02:05.320 I heard you about to start shooting that back again, Yes, sir, 2:02:05.680 --> 2:02:07.360 to look at your podcast. 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