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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Club Sha Shay. I am

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Speaker 1: You know him as initials, t O, Tera Lawyers, TEO.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Bro Man? What's good? Man? You like

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Speaker 1: So you're here today, You're gonna you gotta wine. You're

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Speaker 1: Do them want this to be just but nothing? Talk

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Speaker 1: to him and he said look, and I said, I

424
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Speaker 1: know you're the owner. And I said, now you got people,

425
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 1: you know in place to do their job. And I said,

426
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I know they don't

427
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: want to overstep you don't want to overstep your bounds.

428
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,360
Speaker 1: But I said, but you're the owner of the team.

429
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,439
Speaker 1: I said, end of the day, you're the owner. Right.

430
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Speaker 1: So he said, look, Gerald, don't he said, I'm gonna

431
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: talk to coach. There's not another He said, just keep

432
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. And that's what I'm banking on. Okay.

433
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, like I said,

434
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 1: I I get discouraged when I hear people like yourself

435
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: say to what he can't do it back when we

436
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: were talking earlier, you can't say I can't do because

437
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it done. If you haven't seen me

438
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: do it, you can't just scount me accounting and say

439
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: I can't do it. At the end of the day,

440
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 1: nobody plays the game to get hit. No, no, you

441
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But like I said, I get it.

442
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: Your spighty senses. Your spighty senses went away, you know,

443
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 1: because But but you can, you can get those things

444
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,199
Speaker 1: back in tune, like I said. Like I said, it's

445
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: not it's not an overnight like I've been training, right,

446
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: It ain't like I just been sitting on the couch

447
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: and now I'm just jumping. No, no, no, even right,

448
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't for me. It's not about shape, because I

449
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 1: know you've been training. I've been running. For me, it's

450
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: about being away from the game for over a decade.

451
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Tim Tebow got an opportunity, he's been away.

452
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: Granted he made me yet, but back it doesn't. Marrit,

453
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: you been that. I didn't do that. Come on you already,

454
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 1: you already know better than that. Come on you already.

455
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: I could have paid it tight end and and and

456
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: gave a little bit better effort than than what that was.

457
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: Come on, ain't, I ain't. I'm not busy, You're gonna

458
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: come back. And exactly, that's where I feel like he

459
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: was at a different disabandon and I think that's where

460
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: the hoop was at, was that he's been given preferential

461
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: treatment because it's privileged. That's where that conversation was was

462
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 1: was that with that? But for me, trust me, I'll

463
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: bet the opportunity. I want to see it. But that's

464
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 1: where people in your position, I want to see it.

465
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Speaker 1: Now you got you got me convinced that you could

466
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: do it, so I want to see it. I want

467
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: to see it at the end of the day, man,

468
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: Like I said, That's why I said I put in

469
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: the video. I mean the guys that have been been

470
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: helping me, Like I said, I haven't told anybody, Like

471
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: everybody's just been wondering, Okay, why why is these videos? Right? Yeah? Exactly,

472
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: they are, Like I said, they are. The owner approached me.

473
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 1: You want fifteen Twitter players a game, that's it. Wherever

474
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: I can help a team, trust my knowledge of the

475
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: game is what's gonna separate me. From the others that

476
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: anybody else. And I want to be able to help

477
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: groom some of those guys that you know people say that,

478
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, resemble my play, my build, whatever, or just

479
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, expanding. But you want to go to a

480
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: chance join when you could possibly win. You want to

481
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: go to some teams? Yeah exactly, But I mean, like

482
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: I said, there are some teams. I'm sure that's on

483
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Speaker 1: the custom they may. Like I said, I still feel

484
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: like I'm I could be an X factor. You believe

485
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: you help put the team all the talk I feel

486
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Speaker 1: I do feel like, I Yeah, what really Abdu this

487
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: year last year with the back Buccaneers? What really not

488
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: the you could do that? What? What? What did he

489
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: really do? Look at this and look what is this stats?

490
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: Somebody give me his stats. I think ab and and

491
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Speaker 1: I'm not taking forty three had forty three catches for

492
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: about like five hundred yards I think five four or

493
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: five hundred yards. So you're trying to say that I

494
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: can't do that till on ab thirty is thirty three,

495
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: thirty four. When I was thirty seven, they had twenty

496
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: years uh, guys ten years younger to me. They said

497
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Speaker 1: I was over the Hill, It don't matter what what

498
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: you know the definition of faith? Come on now, you

499
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: just told me while ago. And this is why I

500
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: get discouraged, Because you have a platform, because people hear

501
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: what you have to say. They listen to your voice. Man,

502
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: you want to go out there, man till you've accomplished everything.

503
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: But if I can still do it and I can,

504
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: trust me, man, I this is this is not me

505
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Speaker 1: just man. I might be one of the best athletes

506
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: the world. Problem has never really ever seen. I'm not gonna.

507
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna die at I just

508
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: ain't seen you. I know you can play. You can.

509
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean anything you sent your mind toil, you could do.

510
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: That's why you became who you became, because you sent

511
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: your mind says Okay, well I can be better. Oh yeah,

512
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: I can do that. I can be better. JA Trust me, man,

513
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: you just need to the guys that worked me out,

514
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: they trip out at the things that I've that I've done,

515
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Speaker 1: and they know who I am and they've saw they've seen,

516
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: they've seen my highlights. Do just with my work as dude,

517
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Speaker 1: Trust me, I want to see it now. I hope

518
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Speaker 1: they call you. I hope they call you. I hope

519
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: they call you. That's gonna be the first topic when

520
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: you go back, when you go there, that gonna be

521
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: our first topic the next day. I like the way

522
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: you said that when like now you're starting to speak

523
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Speaker 1: things into existing. I like it. You go back, gonna

524
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Speaker 1: be our birth day. I like that. I like that.

525
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Speaker 1: You're my dog, you always have been all we will

526
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: be bro. You know, I got you. Let's get the

527
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: current receivers. Who is who reminds Julio. I'm gonna say

528
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Speaker 1: one receiver body of TiO Julio. I mean obviously you

529
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: got DK Mattcalf. He's young, he's evolving, he's still young.

530
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: You see the potential there. What about A J. Brown?

531
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: I don't think he is fast as you though he's

532
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: coming on too, like yeah, he's definitely making some noise.

533
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: Like I said, These are guys, like I said, but

534
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: he about to take that next step with right exactly.

535
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be consistency with these young guys when

536
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Speaker 1: we start, you know, we get in the discussion about

537
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: these guys that are not even in you know, played

538
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: five years yet they start talking about Hall of Fame. Yeah,

539
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: it's consistency. That's how you get into the Hall of Fame.

540
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: It's just your it's your body of work. Right. Yeah,

541
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: everybody always bringing up Odell Beckham Junior, tremendous talent. He

542
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: made that one catch. We're in the age of social

543
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: media when why for everybody knows, people have been China

544
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: probably know who who Odell is, right because but in

545
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: order for him to make those leaps and bound, it's

546
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: gonna be consistency. And as you've seen, like injuries are

547
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: a part of the game, he's had one injury. You

548
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: got a rebound from that. Now let's pick up, pick

549
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: up from where he left out where he was playing

550
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: on with the Giants. So for all these guys that

551
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: you know that that have the Aja Browns, the dj

552
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: K matcalfs Uh, the DeVante Adams, these guys, they are

553
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: on their way. They're paving their way to Canton. Who's

554
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: the best receiver in the game right now? You get

555
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: one the best receiver right now, general manager, general manager

556
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: cover you say, Teo, I'm going with I gotta go

557
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: with Julio. I gotta go with Julio. It's either him

558
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. I can't no matter what I'm taking the

559
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: trouble stuff that I'm leaving off. I'm leaving it's just

560
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: like the Hall of Fame. I have to leave that off. Okay,

561
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: before all of this stuff happened, Ye, who was in

562
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: Tonio Brown with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, Oh he was special, Okay,

563
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: no question. So that now you see what I'm I take.

564
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: Like I said, the outside stuff I separated. Okay, and

565
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: Tonio Brown before all of this, he was the top,

566
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: one of the top receivers before all this stuff start

567
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: going on. Would you agree? I would? I absolutely agree. Okay,

568
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, I mean to do it probably one

569
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty catches. And that's where I and that,

570
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: and that's how I see it. But sometimes he didn't.

571
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: He didn't realize how good he had at I talked

572
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: to Antonio Brown when all that stuff was going on,

573
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: and I got where you came. I got where he

574
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: was coming from with our conversations. Being a six round pick,

575
00:28:53,480 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: coming from small college, establishing and building, uh really the

576
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: statue of a person and player and the caliber person

577
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: that that he was becoming. He saw for so many

578
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: years the star treatment that the quarterback was getting. Yeah,

579
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: and he wasn't getting it, but he was doing equal.

580
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: He was just as important. He felt as important. You

581
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: never gonna get the treatment the quarterbacks I said. We

582
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: had conversations, and I said, whatever your issues are, I said, bro,

583
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: you He was like, what should I said? Do you

584
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: know you know being better than I do? Right, you've

585
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: been there for nine years or whatever. You should have

586
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: some type of rapport with him to pull him to

587
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: the side. You say, y'all kids, y'a've had dinners, wives,

588
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: go out of it. I can't tell you you've been there.

589
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: You shouldn't know how to approach him to have that

590
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: conversation because if there was something said slight in a

591
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: the interview that you felt was wrong or whatever, you say, yeah, absolutely,

592
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: And that's that was my advice to him, because I mean,

593
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: throwing you one hundred and thirty passes a year, I

594
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: mean he throwing you one hundred and eighty one hundred

595
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: and ninety targets a year, you're getting fifteen hundred and

596
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: seventeen hundred yards. Yeah, but he felt like he was

597
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: he wasn't getting that that that that start treating d O.

598
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: You know you don't get that the quarterbacks there, I

599
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: get I get it, dude. I mean we all go

600
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: through it. I mean I went through it to an extent.

601
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: But I used to see John not practice it. I'm like, man,

602
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get to get to a certain

603
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: age and I won't have to practice. Oh well, I

604
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: mean sometimes it happened, sometimes it didn't. T D was

605
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: the same way TV got not didn't have to pray.

606
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it is my brains and stuff like. Yeah,

607
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: but see that where where players getting the problem? You

608
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: start judging off of what somebody else is getting or

609
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: what somebody else is doing. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what

610
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: gets you in trouble. For me, I didn't have that problem.

611
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: I like to work. It didn't matter me. Yeah, I

612
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: told you had to tell me not the press, because

613
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: I need to work on my cray like these guys

614
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: not playing in preseason. I needed preseason, right. But that's

615
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: but outside of that, this is the problem that I

616
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: had was how I was being treated by my coaching

617
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: certain situation. You weren't worried about what what Steve got

618
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: treated like this, man, I got TREATD like that. Just

619
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: treat me like I'm a human. Yeah exactly, And I

620
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: feel like yeah, at some point, treat me like the

621
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: star that I am. And I know that there's gonna

622
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: be some some tears. Treat me as you know, as

623
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: guys you know, get better and as they established their careers.

624
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: But I didn't you know they treat man, trust me, bro,

625
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: They treat you like who's a rookie? Trust me man.

626
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: My my coach has even told me stuff man. So yeah,

627
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: Prime TiO racing the prime DK Metcalf whom I saw

628
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: DK runs a big hen but he was Yeah. But

629
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Speaker 1: if you look at something my highlights ro I'm chilling.

630
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't known from my bet, but there are some

631
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: highlights where I've come from the backside all the way

632
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: just to spring my guys. Hey keep talking to her

633
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: against New York jets. Hey, I got some jets. Shanning trusted.

634
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: I just looked like this. I try to tell Pi.

635
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: I just looked like this. I can cover some ground.

636
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: I can ask Julio. I can slide. I can slide, Shannon,

637
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: I like now I can slide who They've been talking

638
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: going back and forth on social media? You same boat

639
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: and Tyreek Ye, he need to stop, man, they need

640
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: a drug test. Tyreek Hill forty yards forty yards Gold

641
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: medal versus Super Bowl rings? Now who you fun after that?

642
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: After that statement, I'm surprised he hasn't gotten drug tested

643
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: about five times. I'm surprised he hadn't going to the

644
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: meetia and telling about he didn't got drugs. T tyed

645
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: to getting drug tested because he's on He ain't right

646
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: back in a four not a semit Because you say

647
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: this is suggesting they run seventy meters, Tyreek says forty

648
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: a forty yard dash. You don't think Tyreek and get it.

649
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: He might, it'll be close. I said it'll be close

650
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: in forty, not no. Seven. He can't touch him in

651
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: the sevment. He can cancel Christmas if I don't care

652
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: what he put at that seven yard line. That's seventy

653
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: meters on that line. He can put eighty million. He's

654
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: gonna get that before who same boat get there? No,

655
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: say no, sir, Ree Bibby, Jimmy. You you raised Tyreek

656
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Is Reek the fast? He's quick,

657
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: He's quick, He's quick and fast. Yeah, he's quick and fast.

658
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody to celebrate like him, No, absolutely,

659
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: And I've seen some guys. I was in the league

660
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: when Sam Graddy. Sam Graddy was a silver medal in

661
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: the eighty four Olympics. I was in the league with him.

662
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: Murmur from James Jett was on the relay team to

663
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: win the gold medal in ninety two. So I've seen

664
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: some guys run Dad. People people don't realize how Look

665
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: if you you play d G Darl Green Green run too, Yeah,

666
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: I heard, yeah, Dark Green run. Ron Brown was also

667
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: who also was in the Olympics, and I think eighty four,

668
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: I think he wanted the bronze. He might have won

669
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: the bronze medal. I think we might have swept the

670
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: medal medal that year, or he might have been eighty

671
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: eight that he wanted to bron So I've seen some guys,

672
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I've ever seen anybody accelerate

673
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: like you can see it. Yes, when you're watching the game,

674
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: you can see the acceleration. Yes, And there's such a

675
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: distinctive difference in the speed in which he runs that

676
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: it's it's obvious, right because those guys are track guys

677
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: that happen to play football. Tyreka is a football player

678
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: that has legit track speed, and I know that's me.

679
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm back and forth with Marquetes Goodwin and all these

680
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: guys are supposed to be be fast, all of the

681
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: guys quick. He is, he's cat quick and he's he's

682
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: he mean if people don't realize like he like he

683
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: put together he because track guys. They talk about a

684
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: pound for pounds. Yeah a that that's what I'm saying.

685
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: A pound for pound like receiver, that's him. You talk

686
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: about a pound for pound boxer. That's Tyreek in your

687
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: Did you ever have a did y'all have a scrimmages

688
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: when you were in training camp? Did y'all play, you know,

689
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: scrimmag against other team? Ye? Ye? Did you get I

690
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw you saw a b getting

691
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: the other day? Did you see the Cleveland situation to

692
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: day Cleveland, Cleveland and the Giants? No, I didn't. I

693
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: don't want to watch football like that. I don't check

694
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: this out. The practice is over the field clear. They

695
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: come back out there h sterling shepherd on the dB

696
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: and try to throw blows after the practice, so they

697
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: organized up. Ain't don't worry about this here after practice

698
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: because the coach told him he want to help want

699
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: no more, no more fighting during practice. If they hold

700
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: that after practice, so they found a loophole after practice

701
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: to see me till they take it. Look, they just

702
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: maddened into their own hands. I've never heard of that.

703
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you hear guys like basketball, like you know,

704
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: they get they they go to the showers and they

705
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: catch them going to the bus and they'll you know, yeah,

706
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: but did you did you did you have them? Did

707
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: you ever get into it tustl in a in a practice? Na? Na,

708
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: I was. I was probably too tired to do all

709
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: of that. See that's what I said. I said, holdo,

710
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: if you got out the energy of the practice, all

711
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: the energy of the fight, you ain't practicing hard enough.

712
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: S I would man I man, I was trying to

713
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: perfect my craft. I was just trying to be the

714
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: best number one receiver. Wherever I tried to be the best,

715
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: and I my practice happens that I I was always

716
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: I've always been a work work type of guy. My

717
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: work ethic was always there. And then that's why when

718
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: I got to the Niners, everybody saw the similarities and

719
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: Jerry and but Jerry always wanted to be a receiver.

720
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: That was his passion for me. I just kind of adopted,

721
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: you know, and tried to enhance upon what my potentials were,

722
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: and I became better. And like I said, I in

723
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: order to be good at something, you gotta keep, you

724
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: gotta work it. And so that's that's what it was doing.

725
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: I was molding myself to become so like the best

726
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: receiver that I could be, you know, taking everything that

727
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: I uh, you know that I could around me, even

728
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: from other receivers that came free agents. I watched slot guys.

729
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: I watched how they got over, you know, even the

730
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: slow white guy that would get open. I'm like, how

731
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: do you guys getting known? There was something about it

732
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: about the ability that would make them get open. So

733
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: I would watch them. I would watch all different type

734
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: of guys. If you would drive me in the first, second, third,

735
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: foll around, it don't matter. I watched how you ran

736
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: roups and how you got how you got open. Do

737
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: you wish they had social media? Oh? I would be

738
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: a star boy. People already know me, but I would

739
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: be bro. I would be a megastar, like I would

740
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: have millions of followers. No, no, that myself and Chad

741
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: the way that we entertained how we engage with the fans.

742
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that as a you know, to

743
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: be arrogant, but just how we entertain and how we

744
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: we are very charismatic and I understand the entertainment, I

745
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: understand the business other game, and so how we intertwined

746
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: and how we engage with you know, just the fans.

747
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: And now with social media, it would it would be crazy, dude,

748
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: would you be going back and forth? Because a lot

749
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: of times we see guys, a guy on the offense

750
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: or the defense, or we see guys. Would you be

751
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: going back and forth? Man, I would probably have one

752
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: caption for them all weeks. Get your popcorn ready, That's

753
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: all I would probably have to say. Right, And I

754
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: said it. I mean I said it on sideline, like

755
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: if you I never people think that I talked trash.

756
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: And when I tell you like what you always, yes,

757
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: you did. If you think about the highlights that you've seen,

758
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: You've never seen me on the field going back and forth.

759
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: It's always been on the sideline when I'm talking to

760
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: because I know the camera's on me. Right, even when

761
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: we were warming up, right, I remember with the Cowboys,

762
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: my mama, shit, Mama, that got these cameras on me.

763
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: I knew what I was, I knew what I was doing,

764
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: and I wanted to engage. I wanted to have fun

765
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: with the game. And that's what I missed really now,

766
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: Like I wish I would have, I would have had

767
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: more fun right with the game, But it was just

768
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: I was so so concentrated on really just become and

769
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: just honeing on just like I had that relentless pursuit

770
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: of just trying to be as good as I wanted.

771
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: Would you be tiktoking? Like nah? I mean, if you're

772
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: gonna TikTok, you got to back it up. Hey, if

773
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna TikTok, you got to back it up. Mann.

774
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: You see, they knock the stuff with out of uh.

775
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: That's what made it so Corvette. Corvette got mad. He

776
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: was doing all of that pre game. It was premeditated.

777
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: But then you came back it up. It looks embarrassing.

778
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: It does. So, I mean, like I said, everybody, I

779
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: mean they think they want it. They think they want

780
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: that line. Everybody think they everybody think the number one

781
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: right with number one getting all the coverage, he getting

782
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: the number one dB, the defensive cordin they just stand

783
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: up late at night trying to come up with schemes.

784
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: Through the sky's the way to roll to roll coverageoe

785
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: way and take you away. And you're just getting you

786
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: getting the third dB, you getting the fourth dB, and

787
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: you're putting a yeah, I'm that dog right because you're

788
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: it's it's your numbers are skewed. Yes, they're they're they're

789
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: they're legit, but it's skewed because you have to look

790
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: at how you got those numbers. And then as soon

791
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: as they as soon as you getting Pat p and

792
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: you're getting John here Alexander, and you get Marshawn Lattimore

793
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: and you getting those top dollars, you getting Jalen Ramsey,

794
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: you get step On Gilmore all of a sudden, the

795
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: sign of a good receiver on a pet like you

796
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: gotta do it with and without. Yeah, and you get

797
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: you gotta do you. You gotta create, make plays, double teams,

798
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: make plays. I remember talking to talking to the A B.

799
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: He was frustrated. I said, AB, you can't be so

800
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: consumed about what he's not doing or the balls are

801
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: not coming your way. I say, bro, make the most

802
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: of the balls to come. That's it. And and That's

803
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: what he started doing because he was he was struggling

804
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: because he felt like they were going away from him.

805
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: They were intentionally going away from him, feeding juju, right,

806
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: and he was open and rightfully so sometimes right, but

807
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: I said, dude, that's something you can't. You gonna lose

808
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: that battle. I said, dude, just make the most of

809
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: when those balls coming your way. And that's what he

810
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: started doing. He started taking a little little going to

811
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: the top, if that's what you gotta do. Though, I

812
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: got the name Big play Shape because once I got

813
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: to Baltimore, I wasn't getting featured like I was in Denver.

814
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: I get one player game to the house I'm going

815
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: and then over time, yeah, the offensive corner. That ain't

816
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: we gotta this this guy more balls? What's your favorite dance?

817
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: The pomp pomp to sign it, the dancing with the cheerleaders,

818
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: get the popcorn. I know I ain't gonna do that.

819
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do that. I ain'ta do that now,

820
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do that. I ain't gonna do ray

821
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: like that. But I had I had fun that week that.

822
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: I had fun that week doing that. But now that

823
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: the best I think the most creative probably was me

824
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: signing the sharp sharp and then impromptu was like the

825
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: popcorn at the back of the I catched the ball

826
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: at the back of the end zone and the fans

827
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: was right there, and I just saw the popcorn. You know,

828
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: you see the picture with me, and then obviously the

829
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: most probably talked about me going to the Star. Yeah,

830
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: but I mean, man, you can you imagine. Oh man,

831
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: I'm telling you imagine if you put that up, if

832
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: you had Instagram and you had Twitter back, I'm telling

833
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: you that fly got that. He got ten millions. You

834
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: think Kim Kardashian breaking the internet? Man, it wouldn't. It

835
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: would be, it'd be, it'd be something awful. A few

836
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: months back, one of your best friends did celebrity boxing.

837
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: We've seen Nate Robinson do it. You sure he did it? Well? Okay, tifted, Yeah,

838
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: you're tipted. Nate Robinson, Chad Ochosinko, You and Ochosinko very

839
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: good friends. Have you thought about doing a celebrity boxing mat, Well,

840
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: let's just talk about his performance. Okay, let's talk about

841
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: his performance. I commended him on what he did right,

842
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: and honestly, like I was, I wasn't nervous too nervous.

843
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: I just didn't want him to go in there and

844
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: not take it serious. Right, Oh yeah, cause you get

845
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: hurt because I know, I know how he is, and

846
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: I know he's a showman, right, you know what I mean?

847
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: And he was he was he was going against a

848
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: bare knuckle right fighter. But he's going to get somebody

849
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: to actually fight. You ain't no celebrity, celebrity celebrity right. Yeah.

850
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: So I you know, when I went to to to

851
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: the arena and I saw him, and as soon as

852
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: I saw him, I'm like, Okay, this is for real, right,

853
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: So I went in there. I went in the arena

854
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I was about to go ahead,

855
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: about to do this. Yeah, And so I went to

856
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: went to the dressing room and I saw him. He

857
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: was in not hitting the back. I say, oh, this

858
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: is real now I'm talking about it got me kind

859
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: of like oh, So I'm like, man, this is real.

860
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: So when I when I saw him, I said, hey,

861
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: first thing I told I said, yo, respect the sport.

862
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: Owe you out of obvious that way, because I wanted

863
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: When I was driving down there, I'm like, well, what

864
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: can I say? You know what I mean? That he

865
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: hasn't heard from anybody. That was the thing that came

866
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: to my respect the sport. And I'm like, man, I

867
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: remember what Nate Robinson did, Like we saw what boxers

868
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: that has, you know, the beating and everything that that

869
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: even even some of the best boxers, right, make one

870
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: mistake in his cur So obviously you don't know all

871
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: the entry things, but you know, you throw the points,

872
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: get your hands back up. You know a lot of

873
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: people keep the hands down, right. Yeah, So that that

874
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: was the first thing in But I had confidence because

875
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: I know Chad has been training some stuff, but not

876
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: to the point of Okay, he's really getting right. So,

877
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: like I said, that was my first words tune was

878
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: like respect the sport and and so man he did.

879
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: He did a tremendous job. Went four rounds and uh

880
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: he got grazed a little bit, but he got right

881
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: back up. But you know, talking that was the hardest,

882
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: the toughest eight minutes of his life because you got

883
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: to be in tip top, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

884
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: People don't understand because when I first got out here,

885
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: I did some you know, did some boxing. I didn't

886
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: spire anything like that, but just hit the mis hitting

887
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: the bag, you know, just it's like a full body work.

888
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: That's like swimming on that because the first thing when

889
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: you get tired, you drop, drop your hands and get

890
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: all of this is exposed. All this right here is exposed.

891
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: And if you got somebody that's in shape that condition,

892
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: oh boy, this is canvas. This is canvas. And they've

893
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: been the paint a picture. You start breathing, You start breathing.

894
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: Have you start breathing out your mouth, your mouth open,

895
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: and then the jaws loose and then boom there you go,

896
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 1: face down. Right. But I get, I get, he did great.

897
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: I'll talk about you what you gonna do? So so

898
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: I think maybe a week or so after that, I'm

899
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm at home. I get a text. It's about I'm

900
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: in Florida about about eleven o'clock at night. Okay, it's

901
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall. Yeah, the one that wants to race me too.

902
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: So he texts me out of the blue and he goes, yo, dude,

903
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: you want to fight me for two million dollars? And

904
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm thinking just joking, right, So my response is because

905
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: he already don't backed out of two races, right, And

906
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not really taking him serious at this point.

907
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: So my response to him, Shannon, I said, I'll knock

908
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: your ass out for an extra two millions. And I

909
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: was that serious based on the other stuff because he

910
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: didn't had me training the race and all this other

911
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: stuff and keep keep backing out, putting money up this

912
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: and that and the other. So that was my response,

913
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: broad knocked your ass out for extra two man. He go, no, no, no,

914
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm serious. I'm sitting here, I'm talking with the CEO

915
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: of trailer and he was like, I said, he said,

916
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: you want to do it or not? I said, I said,

917
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: you know why I am asked you if you're serious,

918
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: I said, just let me know. He so he said,

919
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: we're thinking about doing it in November. So long story short,

920
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: I haven't heard from him since. But you don't be

921
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: Mars box real though. But I'm not finna just trained.

922
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: I've already been training and doing all this other stuff

923
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: and he ain't. But you gotta go get a real

924
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: boxing trainer. The people that trained chat they because that's

925
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: the first thing that people would ask. They were asking

926
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: me when I would ringside, I had people asking tell

927
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: you next, you next? And then I had one guy

928
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: that's like, Yo, this is gonna be fun. There's like, uh,

929
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: if you had to fight it, and who who would you? Who?

930
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: Who would you? Who would you? Who would you want

931
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: to fight? I said Donovan McNabb And I'm dead serious, Shannon,

932
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: I'll knock him out because it'd be so much so

933
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: I were going there, I know I'll be controlled, It'll

934
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: be controlled, angry. I'd be like a I'd be like

935
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: a Navy seal. I'd be a navor seer because you

936
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: know they cool coming under all conditions. But there would

937
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: be a fire burning inside of me. So you were

938
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: literally trying to knock the man out clean. I knocked

939
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: chunky suit from him from from from two thousand folk.

940
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: Trust me, all the hard ache, all the hard ache

941
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: and all the stuff that I don't went through being

942
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: a nice and it's come me trying to be the

943
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: nice guy. That's me being a nice. I know you,

944
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: and I know you Dad, and serious, Shannon, I promise

945
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: you and I know like going in there, you can't

946
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: just go in there just reckons, Brandon, No, No, you

947
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: gotta be you gotta be strategic. Yes, you gotta be strategic.

948
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: Everything walk into something. But trust me, bleeve me you

949
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: that would be my intent. Man, you're gonna take you

950
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: take this seriously when you play football, absolutely, because I

951
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: didn't even football really was was a hobby, right. Just

952
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: think if I would have prioritized that, if that was

953
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: if I was like Jerry growing up and wanting to

954
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: play play football. This like, yeah, give me the proper training.

955
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 1: Like I talked to it. You know somebody this his training.

956
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, if you're weal to serious, just let

957
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: me know. So you know, I said, it hasn't come up.

958
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to just do no unnecessary. But I

959
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: made you start taking some lessons just to kind of familiarize,

960
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: familiarize myself because somebody like me, bro, i'd be like

961
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: Roy Jones. I'd be like Roy Jones. I'd be entertaining.

962
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: But you gotta be smarter than that too. At the

963
00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: same absolutely, trust me, I trust. But like I said,

964
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: we have about somebody, somebody you haven't gotten there yet.

965
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: Somebody gonna go actually go go and go and proposition

966
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: you about about fight you No, no, no, I mean

967
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: they have it. It's been some people zab Julians and

968
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: other guy didn't reaching my DM and you know I'm

969
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: doing some reoxes, I know, but like I said, it's

970
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: been like celebrities stuff, you know what I mean. But

971
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: I just haven't really like I said, it wasn't really

972
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: on my radar at that time. Like I said, Like

973
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: I said, it wasn't really about the money, like I said, Yeah,

974
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, but it's not really you fight

975
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: for two million, yeah, like yeah, so that was a

976
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: number that that how much how much you to take

977
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: you to fight Downovan Canna Party median, some crafts, Canna

978
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: Party Media, and some crackers and a bottle of eighty

979
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: one on the way up. Eighty one on the way happened.

980
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: It started off so well in San France, and you

981
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 1: were going to be the heir apparent. You were gonna

982
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: be what I wasn't gonna be the Aaron parent. They

983
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: were looking at JJ Stokes right well, yeah, when they

984
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: drafted him number one over the first first round drafting,

985
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: right right. But when you look at it and you

986
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: you have Steve, you go to Jeff. Obviously, Jeff is

987
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: not Steve Young Steve Stevens of the Hall of Fame,

988
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: but Jeff was a very good quarterback. Jeff made several

989
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls. What happened in San Francisco? How did it?

990
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: How did it? How did it go so bad so quickly?

991
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: You're supposed that's been fifteen there. I think the coaching

992
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: staff there when when I when I say coaching staff,

993
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm talking many, probably coach Marucci. They saw probably the

994
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: fast evolve I guess evolvement of my game. I became

995
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a personality charismatic because the

996
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: first few few years I was just learning the position quiet, right,

997
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was just trying to

998
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: find my way. And then you know, confidence is everything,

999
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: and so and then, like I said, you know, I

1000
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: had this defense mechanism, you know, I chip on my shoulder,

1001
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, in a sense. And then you know, things

1002
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: just started unfolding. You know. I felt like I was

1003
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: being treatedly different, treated differently by coach Marriage versus some

1004
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: other coaches. That were some things that happened, you know,

1005
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: during you know, during my time there that I had

1006
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: to go and I address it to Bill Wals because

1007
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: of I felt like I was just being treated differently,

1008
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: and uh that's and I think that's where things kind

1009
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: of just fell off, kind of fell off the tracks

1010
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: there you had a personality. But because Jerry's there, Steve's there,

1011
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: You're trying to find your footing, trying to find your knit.

1012
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, Okay, I belong here. Yeah.

1013
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: Not only do I belong here, I'm I can beat

1014
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: a man here. So now you have the confidence. So

1015
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: now that I can really show the real Teo, I

1016
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: don't have to be quiet. I don't have to be

1017
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, aloof, I can let people see my real

1018
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: person that let everybody see who the real terroll Owen's is. Yeah,

1019
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: because that was that was how people saw me and

1020
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: our I was characterized. I was described. You know, when

1021
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: media talked to my teammates, a lot of them said

1022
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: I was quiet, I was aloof right, I was stand offish,

1023
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: and that wasn't that was the farthest from the truth,

1024
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, That's how I grew up, you know,

1025
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: in a household where you know, I was raised by

1026
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: my grandmother, didn't really get to interact. So it's sort

1027
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: of like I was socially awkward in a bit, right.

1028
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: But if you ask my teammates, you know, with every team,

1029
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: they would tell you I'm I'm a joy to be around.

1030
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: I like to have fun. What they saw, what what

1031
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: the teo in the locker room was different than the

1032
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: teo that the media got an opportunity to see. Yeah, absolutely,

1033
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: And I think you know when the media came and

1034
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: they asked certain individuals and then maybe some people didn't

1035
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: like me, right, and they gave them a different version

1036
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: of what somebody else would say, and they took that

1037
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 1: in their ran with it. Why didn't why didn't they ask?

1038
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to believe that in the locker room.

1039
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: But fifty three guys, only the guys that ever got

1040
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: interviewed were the guys that didn't dislike you, that dislike you,

1041
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: Why weren't some of the guys that like It's hard

1042
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: for me to believe that. So in every locker room

1043
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: this man went in, nobody liked it right exactly, because

1044
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: all I hear about is the guys that did well.

1045
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: He did this and he did that well. I mean

1046
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: I became sort of like sort of like a villain

1047
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: in the sense it became a negative thing when it

1048
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: came to Tera Owens. And I think if you look

1049
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: at you know, abously being inducted into the Hall of Fame,

1050
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: those were some of the things that they kept bringing

1051
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: up was character issues. But I'm not I'm not a

1052
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: bad person, but the character issues was never an issue before.

1053
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: Exactly do you realize how how special you gotta be?

1054
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: When people were willing to change the buy laws, you

1055
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: knew realized they wrote new rules that what happened in

1056
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: the locker room, what happened in the meeting rooms, what

1057
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: happened on the sidelines could be you choose to judge

1058
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: a player going into the Hall of Fame. Do you

1059
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: realize that you did that? That's the tr rules? Hey, man,

1060
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: Like I said, Guy, I put us all here for

1061
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: a reason. Again, I've been mean even that that situation.

1062
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: You think about the horse collarude, I was part of that. Yeah,

1063
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: you think about the touchdown touchdown celebrations, I was part

1064
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. I have no idea. I can't put

1065
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: my finger a pulse on why that is. But those

1066
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: were the cards that I was dealt, and I honestly,

1067
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: I felt I felt unfairly treated. I felt unfairly criticized

1068
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: that time because of how certain meetings they add certain

1069
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: people and then they go on the air and every

1070
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: outlet picked it up and then without even knowing me,

1071
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: they're just going by what everybody else it says saying,

1072
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: and so they've created this narrative and again Skip started it,

1073
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: and then it kind of just trickled, you know, it

1074
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: was a trickle down effect. What happened with it? Seems

1075
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: like you said, coach Mary uture you felt that he

1076
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: started to treat you differently. But I think your position

1077
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: coach Greg now was your first position. Yeah, I think

1078
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: he was. I think he was a quarterback coach or something. Yeah, yeah,

1079
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: but he wasn't He wasn't it. George Stewart was George

1080
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: Stewart and prior to that, it was Larry Kurtzy. Okay, So,

1081
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: like I said, that were things man, that I witnessed

1082
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: and and and like I said, when you talk about

1083
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: her now, it's it's we've gone through a year of

1084
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, systemic racism and things of that nature. You know,

1085
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: just as as a country as a whole, we witnessed things.

1086
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: But I can definitely go back and say now, what

1087
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: I experienced obviously it was systemic racism, and I'm not

1088
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: afraid to say it. I'll say it to him. But

1089
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: I definitely always treated, you know, definitely differently than absolutely,

1090
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: So what about Greg now because they made some disagreements. Again,

1091
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: that's just like with anybody, you know what I mean,

1092
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: any coach, any player, There's gonna be argument, there gonna

1093
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: be disagreements. Right, But at the end of the day,

1094
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: Jerry's cursed out or didn't worse than what I did.

1095
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: But like I said, when when it came to me

1096
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: because it picked up negativity, right, did you try to

1097
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: sit down and talk to the moves did you say,

1098
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: mood this that's what everybody called it, right, mooch, Steve Mooch.

1099
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: This is what I'm feeling. I'm feeling that I'm being

1100
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: singled out. I feel like if I do something, you

1101
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: harp on it, whereas someone else does something, you let

1102
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: it slide. It was the things that I experienced. It

1103
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: was obvious to the point that I went to Bill

1104
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: Wals So you went above Mooch right, because I wasn't.

1105
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was going to get anywhere. Okay,

1106
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, obviously there were fines and things of that nature.

1107
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: You have a fine coach. Again, I would like said,

1108
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: even with those I was treated different as somebody else

1109
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: would would be. Given the benefit of buying the team

1110
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: lunch or taking the fine. Right. He didn't give me

1111
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: that option, right, I just got the fine. Right. And

1112
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: so there are things that I mean, from the from

1113
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: the touchdown celebration with me going to to the Dallas Star. Right,

1114
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: there was no there was no rule against what I

1115
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: did Monday, Monday morning quarterback. That's all that was going

1116
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: on throughout the course of the week. They were talking

1117
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: about that. Right. The league didn't suspend me. He was

1118
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: pressured by the media to suspend me. Hold on, you

1119
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: got suspended for that, yes, sir? What about it? So

1120
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: what did the union say? They can't that that's that

1121
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: wasn't a rule for that. They can't just suspend, Yes, sir,

1122
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: I got me guess conduct detrimental, bro, I have no idea.

1123
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: All I know is I got suspended and then later

1124
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: and then I found this out years later. I went

1125
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, right, and I don't do politics. So he

1126
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: tried to play the political, you know, role, and so

1127
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: he reached out. I mean, he talked to my coach

1128
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: and I found this out years later. Uh. He wanted

1129
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: to try to make it look like he and I

1130
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: was on good terms with the media that he wanted

1131
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: me to fly back from Atlanta and go to a

1132
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: Sino's a Sharks game and be in the stands and

1133
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: have the media you know, uh, you know, paying the

1134
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: car him together. Yeah, like like we were cool. And Mike, Mike,

1135
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: my my coach is like he was like, I'm not

1136
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: calling him because I know TiO is not gonna go.

1137
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: He's not gonna go for that. No, And so these

1138
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: are little things like that, man that they didn't really

1139
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: set well with me. Just like I said, I went

1140
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: to the to the middle of the Star. When I

1141
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: discussed it with him or when he gave his uh

1142
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: his feedback on what happened or his assessment of what happened,

1143
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: he said, he didn't even see me go to the Star.

1144
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: He has a bird's eye view, just like all the coach. Yeah,

1145
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: he said he had. He said he didn't even see

1146
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: me go to the Star. So these are sort of

1147
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: things man, like I said that I had to go

1148
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: through and it is what it. Even with my contract,

1149
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: I had been there longer than Jeff Garcia, you know,

1150
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: knock on him. I feel like I was a second,

1151
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: like I said, the second coming of Jerry Rice. I

1152
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: was looked upon to to fill his shoes. They dragged

1153
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: my contract negotiation, shanning out the entire summer, the entire summer.

1154
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: Jeff Garcia plays maybe I think two years backing up,

1155
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: Steve young plays a couple of years. His contract years

1156
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: is up. Took them two weeks, two weeks and they

1157
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: got this deal done. So for me, it let me

1158
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: know and it showed, Okay, he's more important than me

1159
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: when they don't value as much as you think exactly

1160
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm taking I'm taking his balls three four five yards

1161
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: and taking it to the house. He's not throwing those

1162
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: sixty seventy yard bombs, right, But that's part of my job.

1163
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: I get that. But as you said, I felt like

1164
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: I was being under value and even like my first

1165
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: contract that I had. I mean, you know, players don't

1166
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: get involved with players contracts, this, not and the other.

1167
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: I had a small time agent at the time, and

1168
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: when we were trying, when we were going through the negotiations,

1169
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: he came out and said that I wasn't worth the

1170
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: money that we were asking for. Who said that, mooch,

1171
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: Yes sir, yes, sir. These are these are things that

1172
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: I experienced. So when I played throughout the course of

1173
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: the year, Steve Younger tell you, I played with a chill.

1174
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: And it wasn't because I know I was drafted a

1175
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: certain way, or it was because how I was being

1176
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: treated right and me growing up in the South, my

1177
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: grandmother she told me these are things that I was

1178
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: going to experience. I didn't know I was going to

1179
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,919
Speaker 1: experience experience it in the in the National Football League,

1180
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: but just in life in general, and then just as

1181
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 1: a black man, and so to see it. I didn't

1182
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: speak on it. I didn't say on it. I just

1183
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: put my head down the chain and I worked every

1184
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: day and I let my play do the speaks for you.

1185
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: So even when Skip Bayless and everybody else jumped on

1186
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: the band wagons of all the things that happened throughout

1187
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: the course of the season, it was a topic throughout

1188
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: the course of the week, I knew all I had

1189
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: to do is play because I wasn't gonna allow anything

1190
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: that they say to deter or distract what I was

1191
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: supposed to do, not from me from my personal standpoint,

1192
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: because I needed to produce. And then I'm not gonna

1193
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do anything to hinder or the you know,

1194
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: the progression of what we're supposed to do. In the

1195
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: offense and as a team. How did you and Jeff's

1196
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: because you and Jeff was arguably the best tab a

1197
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: quarterback wide receiver combo in the NFL, how did that

1198
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: go so wrong so quick? I did an interview, and uh,

1199
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, like I said, I look back, and

1200
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: I obviously I should have you know, chosen some other words,

1201
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: and you know that kind of just you know, I

1202
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: guess made things, I mean kind of fractured it a bit.

1203
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: But I didn't, like I said, when I did the interview,

1204
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: I didn't really think about ramifications of of of what

1205
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: I was saying. But I said, you know, with Jeff,

1206
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: like we catered our offense around his strengths. Right. You know,

1207
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: he's a rollout type of guy. He's a tough move right,

1208
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: He's a tough, gritty guy. He's not your you know,

1209
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: typical prototypical drop back in the pocket passer gonna you know,

1210
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: he's not your Tom Brady, your your pay Manning. He's

1211
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: not that type of guy, right, But our offense was

1212
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: tailored around his ability and I and I adapted my

1213
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: game around what he had to do. You know, you're

1214
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: familiar with the West Coast off you talk about the

1215
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: scramble drill. I knew every I knew every position. Yeah, everybody.

1216
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: If you look at some of my highlights. Of course,

1217
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: you script plays, they don't go as playing all the time.

1218
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: You got to improvise. You was ex receiver, I was

1219
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: ex Z Zebra eagle became. I became that much more

1220
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: valuable because they started They started me at one position.

1221
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: I learned that and then probably like you know, a

1222
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: few weeks in the camp, you know, coach like, oh

1223
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: well you need to learn it. Do it made me

1224
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: nervous because I'm just I'm I'm just I'm just learning

1225
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: this position, and they're like, yo, you need to learn Z.

1226
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: But then, like I said, I'm a visual person and coach,

1227
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: coach Stewart, he'll tell you I'm crazy visual. So that's

1228
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: when I started learning how to really incorporated knowing what

1229
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: to do with the plays. I'm the same way, let

1230
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: me see somebody to do it and you explaining it

1231
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: to him. I need to see something. I need to

1232
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: actually see somebody do it. Okay, So that's what it is.

1233
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: So that's what okay, Z spot, that's what you want.

1234
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: Excellent X comeback, X dig X drive Okay, then you

1235
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,479
Speaker 1: can believe it. Just remember what we just talked about.

1236
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: You got to see it to believe it. Right, you

1237
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: move on contracts up you're supposed to. Your agent is

1238
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: supposed to file the paperwork to make you free. An

1239
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm mad. I'm still mad that your agent is supposed

1240
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: to file the paperwork so you become a free agent.

1241
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: He drops the ball. The Ravens says, Okay, for whatever.

1242
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: I think the Ravens and San Francisco work out some

1243
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of deal, But you don't want to go to Baltimore, right,

1244
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: And it had nothing to do with Baltimore itself the team.

1245
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: I just felt like where I was in my career,

1246
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: the height of my career, I couldn't do what I

1247
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna do should be doing with the inexperienced quarterback.

1248
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: So you've experience he wasn't very good. But anyway, but

1249
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's but that's how I am. Yea.

1250
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: You know, people would think that I'm I would I

1251
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: would down talk somebody, but that's not who I am. Okay.

1252
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: I just looked at as I need to find somebody

1253
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: to compliment my skill set, and I didn't see that

1254
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: in a young you know, young young guy like Cal Bowler.

1255
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: What happened with so? How did your agent drop how

1256
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: did he not go ahead and just file the paperwork

1257
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the exactly and why did he

1258
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: get to the last I have no trust me, I

1259
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: have no idea. And he tried to blame He tried

1260
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: to blame it on the guys, the people at the NFLPA,

1261
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: And I end up talking to Jane up show. God

1262
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: rested so and I talked to him. I remember when

1263
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: I remember exactly why I was when I talked to him.

1264
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: I was off of one of the exits in Atlanta,

1265
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: in the in the parking lot where I get my

1266
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: hair cut, and I was on the phone with him,

1267
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: and he broke it down as to how my agent

1268
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: messed it up, dropped the ball yep. And then my

1269
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: agent was trying to basically make me think it was

1270
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: their fault. And then, you know, that was when facts

1271
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: was you know, it wasn't no docu sign or anything

1272
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: like that. That's when you had everything was fact right.

1273
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: So he tried to blame it on you know, it

1274
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: didn't go through and all this blah blah. But at

1275
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like you said, I knew

1276
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to become an unrestricted free agent so I

1277
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: could test the market. Correct. He should have done that

1278
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: immediately next day after the season, right, And so I, again,

1279
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: I was a young kid. I wasn't even really thinking

1280
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: right like that. And that's where again, as we as athletes,

1281
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: we have people we hired to really take care of

1282
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: some of those things that we, honestly we may not

1283
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: be aware of thinking of on an everyday basis. Okay,

1284
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: somehow you get that worked out. You end up in

1285
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: filling which seems like a perfect situation because they got

1286
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: approving quarterback. They they've been going to the NFC Championship

1287
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: game and they can't quite get over the hook. And

1288
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: at the time, I said, you know what, I believe

1289
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: this guy is the missing peace. I believe this is

1290
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: the guy that can finally get them over the huck. Well,

1291
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: I made the Pro Bowl, and you know if you don't,

1292
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you get to the NFC Championship, you don't

1293
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: make it. The losing team coaches the Pro Bowl, right,

1294
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: So I made the Pro Bowl those cover years. So

1295
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: that's how I got to play and meet some of

1296
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: the staff of the philadephy and so yep, yep. So

1297
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: that's where again the idea of me possibly playing for

1298
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: there for that team. And plus they had the West

1299
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: Coast offense, considering you had spent seven years in the

1300
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: West Coast offense. So this was a match made. This

1301
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: was perfect, man. It was from day one, from the

1302
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: first preseason game we played the Ravens and guess guess

1303
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: how many yards My first touchdown went went forth eighty

1304
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: one the first play. So you do that, you know what?

1305
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: This is a sign God, you speaking to me. Ain't

1306
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: no way it's supposed to happen. I had no idea

1307
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: until I years later and I'm listening, I'm watching the highlights,

1308
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: and and the announcer was like, man, this you know

1309
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: he calls it, you know, cause the commentator he's he's

1310
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: breaking it down. I'm I'm I go out wide. I

1311
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: think it's like covered to I try to disguise it. Man,

1312
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: I release, I think a releasing side. Get back outside.

1313
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: They weren't you supposed to let me do that? Right? No? No, no,

1314
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: no no no right once you once you go inside,

1315
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: they gotta ride you down. But because of the dynamic

1316
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: talent that I am, you know, I made somehow I

1317
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: made it work. And I'm listening to the to the

1318
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: to the to the announcer and he's like, man, this

1319
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: is a touchdown. He goes right down to to the

1320
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: jersey number and it was like eighty one. I'm like, man,

1321
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: that's crazy because he had three touchdown. That was the

1322
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: first game down. Well that was the preseason game. Yeah,

1323
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: the regular first regular season game against the Giants, I

1324
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: had three touchdowns. So everything, you're like, oh man, this

1325
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: stay going well, this stay going well? Man, it did

1326
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: what happened? That was one game I can't I think

1327
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we were playing the Giants or

1328
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: or may have been the Browns, but we had one

1329
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 1: particular play or your game playing and you scripted throughout

1330
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: the course of the week. I ran some route, like

1331
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: a bench route, go in, get the safety, the bite

1332
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: or the corner bite, and I'm dude, it's wide open

1333
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: every day in practice. I mean even when we didn't

1334
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: have to script it, it was wide open. So we

1335
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: get in the game, this is my play. I run

1336
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: the route to a t just like we've been running

1337
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:28,560
Speaker 1: all week and practice scripted d dB bite like this

1338
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: sh left him. I'm wide open I'm looking back. I'm looking,

1339
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the ball. I'm like, I noticed a touchdown.

1340
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: He goes elsewhere with the football. So I get back

1341
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: in the hoddle. I go back, I get back, go

1342
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: back to the hoddle. And I said, I said yo,

1343
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: I said, I was open. I said, I said, what happened?

1344
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: He told me to shut the fuck up. Hold on, bro,

1345
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: you practice this play all week, Yes, sir, there's nothing

1346
01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: like you practicing the play. And it happens. It's like

1347
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: you drew it up and you they like, oh, I'm

1348
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 1: about to get this money, and all you said, hey,

1349
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: BRO said, I was open, I said what happened? And

1350
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: he told me to shut the f up seriously. And

1351
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: so I didn't say anything because coming from San Francisco,

1352
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: I didn't want to make no yep. I didn't you

1353
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I already know what time it was.

1354
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to create no no animizy, no

1355
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: tension right there on the fields. And we came off

1356
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 1: that series. I went straight to my coach and I'm like,

1357
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 1: y'all said, because I didn't, I didn't want to blame anybody.

1358
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what happened. Let me see what

1359
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: happened before I make any excuse, right, So I asked coach, like,

1360
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 1: I said, what happened? Did he get flushed out of

1361
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: the pockets? I'm thinking that's okay. He looked at me,

1362
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't know, he goes terrible. I don't

1363
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: know why he didn't throw it. He just didn't throw it, Okay.

1364
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: So I left it. I left it at that. Then

1365
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: you go, did you go to him? And like c

1366
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: Max and I waited to after the game. Okay. And

1367
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: so again me knowing everything that it transpired, how you

1368
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna be looked at it. I'm on a

1369
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: new team. I wasn't trying to roughle the feathers. I'm

1370
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: trying to be the consummate teammate. So I let the

1371
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: I let that. Everybody kind of just filter out of

1372
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: the locker room and it was like a few guys

1373
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: left whatever. And I just went to him and I

1374
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: just said, look, bro, I said, I don't appreciate you,

1375
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, cussing at me. I said, Bro, I'm a

1376
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: grown man, right, And I said from here home, man,

1377
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: don't don't talk to me that way. Oh, it's gonna

1378
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be a problem, okay. And so I

1379
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 1: felt like me addressing that in that way was a

1380
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: mature terrible yeah, because I could have went off on

1381
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: the football and out there in the middle of the

1382
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: field and when we got to the sideline, but I

1383
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to do that. Now, I'm trying to turn

1384
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: over a new league, okay. So when you did, I

1385
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: just told him said, look, bro, don't don't don't address

1386
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: me that way, right, I said, We're grown man, I

1387
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: got kids, Like that's that's not gonna happen, okay. And

1388
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: so from there, I think that's where the he when

1389
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: you said that, bro, don't address me like that. Hey,

1390
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: I don't show. I don't know. I honestly, I was

1391
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: so mad. I don't know what he said or if

1392
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: he said anything that really could have made a difference.

1393
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: At that point, I just didn't like the the tone.

1394
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: Number one, and I for real, the way he came

1395
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: at me, my team and they was in the hotel.

1396
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: It was it was file right, it was fire, and

1397
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: so things just kind of just fell off, fell fell

1398
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: off the tracks, you know, from that point on, after

1399
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here listening to you talk that was the

1400
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: one that was the one thing that I had. I

1401
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: don't mind being coached, but you can't curse me. Man See,

1402
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: I won't let you see anything to me that my

1403
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: grandmother couldn't say. And she gave me everything but life.

1404
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 1: She raised me. So if she wouldn't say that to me,

1405
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 1: I'm not you can't coach me. Coach me hard, say something,

1406
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: what do you see? What do you see? We want

1407
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: repractice that play. If I made a mistake, John say hey,

1408
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: T I need you to do better, but don't curse me. No.

1409
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't just no curse, bro, It was it was demonstrative,

1410
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was just I didn't

1411
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: trust me. It struck a chord with me, and like

1412
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: I said, I never forget it. And so, like I said,

1413
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: I just I just felt like I needed to do

1414
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: that because if I just let that slide, I just

1415
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: felt like he was going to just continue to think

1416
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: that it was okay, right, And so my grandmother just

1417
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: don't never let nobody run over you. No, you know

1418
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's how that's how they that's how

1419
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: they say it. Don't let nobody run over you, because

1420
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: if you do that they're gonna continue. And so for me,

1421
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: I just addressed it and left it at that. And

1422
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: so maybe he didn't like what I had to say,

1423
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: but I, like I said, I didn't allow that to

1424
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: really deter anything that we did on the football field.

1425
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: And we went out in the football field, bro, I

1426
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: just played, you know, and sometimes you know, like I said,

1427
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: I had, I was pissed, but then I just like

1428
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: I said, I just did what I was supposed to do.

1429
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: So that game, that was early in the season, do

1430
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: you believe that was the beginning of the end of

1431
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: your relationship? What do you think? Probably because right because

1432
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, as I because I I still start I was.

1433
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,560
Speaker 1: I looked back people tell me, now, I played in

1434
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 1: twenty one games in Philly. I scored twenty touchdowns. Yeah,

1435
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: twenty one touchdown I mean twenty touchdowns, yeah, yeah, And

1436
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: so I looked back on it and the way that

1437
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: I was bawling, and the way the city embraced me.

1438
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: And you remember, like when he got drafted, it was

1439
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 1: either him or Ricky Williams, Right, they booed him, you

1440
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I think he had some

1441
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: resentment because when I started bawling from week one when

1442
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: I scored three touchdowns against They were going crazy when

1443
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: they five out that they had the Eagles assigned you.

1444
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: The fans were going crazy. They the entire stadium, t Yo,

1445
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 1: t yo, t yo. It was. It was like something

1446
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: I had never experienced. Everything probably that I wish I

1447
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: could have done in high school or college, I was

1448
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: experiencing as a pro right I was, I was a star.

1449
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 1: I witnessed that on the sidelines in high school with

1450
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,759
Speaker 1: other guys. They were the start of the school, started

1451
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: a team. In college, it was the same way I

1452
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: worked my butt offshin and to become TiO right. And

1453
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 1: so I can't imagine what he felt or I guess

1454
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 1: maybe he had something against the city. But to have

1455
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: seventy plus thousand and sixty seven plus thousand chanting, you know,

1456
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: when you do something big, I have a big play, right,

1457
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: and you're not. I guess he didn't feel like he was,

1458
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, being recognized as such. And me coming there

1459
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: my first year and really making a difference, and then

1460
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 1: we get you know, okay, I got hurt late in

1461
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: the season December, and then the thing was with the media,

1462
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: was was I going to be ready to play in

1463
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, right him being the quarterback, the mouthpiece

1464
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: to the leader, the captain another team, he had to

1465
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: face those questions the rest pretty much leading into the playoffs,

1466
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: playoffs or what have you. And he basically said, we

1467
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 1: don't need Teo to win. We've won games but with

1468
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: with it without him, And so I didn't really take

1469
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 1: any slight to it, but I heard it right, and

1470
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: so I guess he got it was necessary slight. He

1471
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: could have said, look, we want TiO to get back

1472
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 1: as soon as he possibly can. As a quarterback of

1473
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: the leader team, you say the right thing. You be

1474
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: politically correct, regardless of how you feel. You be PC

1475
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: in that boat. Right, you can address it, you know

1476
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: how to address it. And so again that was something

1477
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: that that kind of loomed. And and then there was

1478
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: a contract situation after that. You know, he spoke highly

1479
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: of Brian Westbrook's contract, basically endorsing that the team should

1480
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: should should sign him to an extension. But when it

1481
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: came to me, nothing, radio silent, nothing. So that's when

1482
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: I knew that it was it was something personal. It

1483
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: wasn't anything personal with me against him, because I'm not

1484
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: that person. I'm not I've never been that type of person.

1485
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 1: But you are the type of person if somebody crossed you,

1486
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: you're done. Oh yeah, yeah for sure, yeah yeah, but

1487
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: if yeah. But I'm not the type of I'm not no,

1488
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: no jealous type of person. I'm not a hater. I'm

1489
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: not no gossiper. I'm not going to talk bad about

1490
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 1: another person because I may think he's better than me

1491
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: or whatever. I've never been that type of person. I've

1492
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: been my own person, right because I knew my path

1493
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 1: and my journey to be, to be who I became with.

1494
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: Then what happened with the fight situation? To feel it with?

1495
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: Who juggles or they brought him on as like I

1496
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: guess a team ambassador or something like that. I was rehabbing,

1497
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 1: uh an injury of or what have you? So him

1498
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 1: and done them was buddy buddy, right, they were good friends.

1499
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: So I guess obviously when you bought he had came,

1500
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: didn't he had come back from Jacksonville. Yeah, yeah, so

1501
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: they brought they brought him back, brought him back. Yeah,

1502
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: and so he was sort of like the team I

1503
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 1: guess ambassador, what have you? And so obviously I'm like,

1504
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: I'm like the black sheep you know what I mean. Okay, okay,

1505
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm like the black sheep. So you know, him and

1506
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: him and down them with their friends, and he would

1507
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: not We've talked, you know, disgusted or what have you.

1508
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: And and again I'm pretty sure he wished he could

1509
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: have done something differently and thought things through. I maybe

1510
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: even talk to me, right, But obviously, like I said,

1511
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 1: you know him and DuMond being friends, and obviously, like

1512
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: I said, dumb didn't really didn't like me or at

1513
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: at you know, at one point then it all became

1514
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: personal and it's trying to do things to antagonize me,

1515
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: this not and the other end. I remember I was

1516
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: in the U, I was doing some treatment. I was

1517
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: down in the hydroworks pool or what have you. And man,

1518
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm not no punk bro, I'm not no punking. So

1519
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: he came in and he had tried he said something

1520
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: and the door was cracked and I didn't like it,

1521
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: and I asked him to raise me up out of

1522
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: the hydroworks pool. I went in. That went in. I

1523
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: kind of dried off a little bit when it got

1524
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: some stuff, and so we we kind of got to

1525
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: tuss on a little bit, and Jeremy Trotter, uh kind

1526
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: of got in between us and tried to try to

1527
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: separate us. And uh, I, man, I went through Trotter

1528
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: to get that. To get at here, I was told

1529
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: they say, you almost seemed possessed. Man, Man, I I

1530
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 1: just I'm not no pump bro. That's just me. I've

1531
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: been through so much. I was teased. I was. I

1532
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: had low self esteem issues. When I was younger, I

1533
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: was I got bullied. We didn't call it bullied. I's

1534
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: got we got picked out, you know what I mean,

1535
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: shot before I knew what that was. And so man,

1536
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: you know when I was when I was in high school,

1537
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: we ran track and things like that. I had a

1538
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: guy that spit in my mouth while I was sleeping.

1539
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: I got picked So when I got older, man, I

1540
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 1: got to the point where I was always you know,

1541
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: hearing my grandmothers like, don't never let nobody you know

1542
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: do you wrong, or if they're bigger than you, she

1543
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: may pick something up, hit him, hit him a wrong.

1544
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: But ye are bro, you I grabbed me, trust me,

1545
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 1: you know what it's like. So I always remembered that.

1546
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: But man, I had gotten to the point where I

1547
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: was upside. I'm a grown man, and I just wasn't

1548
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: gonna allow you, wouldn't take no shop of anybody else. Bro.

1549
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: I didn't care who who it was and how big

1550
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 1: you were. But yeah, it was like I said, if

1551
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: if I don't know what it would have happened. But

1552
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 1: Trotter end up, you know, kind of separating, and he

1553
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: he'll tell you. He's like I went through Trotter. I

1554
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: went through Trotter to try to get to try to

1555
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: get it here. Come back the second year you play

1556
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 1: you still you're still bawling, and then Andy's like, go home?

1557
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: What what led to Andy sending you home? I did

1558
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: an interview with a guy by the name of Graham

1559
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: ben Singer, and I had met him in high school.

1560
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: He was an aspiring journalists or whatever in high school

1561
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: when I was in San France, right, and so now

1562
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 1: he's I think he's in college or whatever. But I

1563
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: told him, and he had asked me, I had no

1564
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: idea I'm coming from. At the end of the game,

1565
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: he goes, Yo, I'm I'm I'm gonna be a journalist

1566
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: one day. But really, block, I had no idea, like

1567
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: years later, right, this guy would be interviewing me. Right,

1568
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: and so I did the piece, so what have you?

1569
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 1: And he brought up a statement or something that Michael

1570
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: Irvin had said. He was like, uh, because at that

1571
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: time we were four and three, right seconds, we were

1572
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: four and three, still talented, still had a chance to

1573
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: made the playoffs. We easily we lost some games, close

1574
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: game and the only game that we got our butts

1575
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: kick was the Pittsburgh game, So we easily could have

1576
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: been six and one, right, And so he he was like,

1577
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 1: he has asked a phrase. The question he goes, you know,

1578
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: I talked to Michael Irvin and I guess I guess

1579
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: Michael was doing TV or something like that, and he

1580
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 1: was like, uh, Michael said, you know if if Brett

1581
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: Farbes you guys this quarterback, you know, you guys would

1582
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: be a better team or something along those lines. I

1583
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: just said, okay, I could I agree with that assessment

1584
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: just getting it had no it wasn't any slight towards

1585
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: done right. I was thinking that what Brett Farb had

1586
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: accomplished and who he was at that time, being sort

1587
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: of like he was a Hall of Fame quarterback. So

1588
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, when you switching and you putting that,

1589
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 1: But I didn't but I didn't. But that's what I'm saying.

1590
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't share him. I wasn't thinking at

1591
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: that time. I wasn't. I hadn't matured enough to understand

1592
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: the question process. You got your question. Well, he got

1593
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: me and he got me up out of there. He did,

1594
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 1: he got me, He got me out of there. So

1595
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: the next day the headlines was Terrell says that you know,

1596
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: would be better with Brent, and I'm like what, I'm like,

1597
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I'm like, what are y'all if

1598
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: you know how, yespionis loop the loop. It was all over.

1599
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: So I go in the next morning. That's all that

1600
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: was on the TVs. No, this was in the in

1601
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 1: the lunch and the man. Let me tell you, so

1602
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 1: this this became a firestorm. Bro It just kind of

1603
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: just it was like things just kind of just went haywire.

1604
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 1: And so I tried to address I'm like, yo, that's

1605
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:41,560
Speaker 1: not what I said. And I basically, if this is

1606
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 1: because I said I told me. I said, yes, I

1607
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: would agree with that assessment. But I said, also Donovan

1608
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: had been hurt. And I said, if Donovan wasn't hurt,

1609
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 1: I said, we could easily be six and one right now.

1610
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: But that's not what they that's not what they did

1611
01:22:55,680 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: for though. So the team captain, Brian Dawkins is mother

1612
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: uh trotter. They basically corned me in the in the

1613
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: in the in the training room. What are you doing? Block?

1614
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,560
Speaker 1: I said, Bro, that's not what I said, right, So

1615
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, yo, look at the transcript.

1616
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: I said, get the transcript, and somebody went and got

1617
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: the transcript. I said, read it, and something entired it

1618
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: and you will see exactly what I said. Right. They

1619
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 1: understood I'm sitting in our trainer's office with Brian. They

1620
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: saw that, right, But that's not how the media. It

1621
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: was too late then, right, because it was already right exact,

1622
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: the damage was already done. So I so I go

1623
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 1: to and you read I'm talking to Jeffrey Lewery and

1624
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 1: all those guys. And so at this point they don't

1625
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 1: know what what what needs to happen. So I have

1626
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: a publicist and we're trying to figure out what's what's

1627
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 1: going to happen. And so she basically wrote something down

1628
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: for me to obviously go before the meeting for a

1629
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: press conference or what have you. And so she had

1630
01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 1: faxed it in to the equipment room to that number

1631
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 1: to the equipment room, so that whoever got it from

1632
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: the equipment they read it. So before I went out

1633
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 1: from my press conference, went to the captains, talked to

1634
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 1: Brian and thinking I talked to Trotter. I showed Trotter

1635
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 1: what I what I had to read, like I was

1636
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: apologizing for the organization. It's not the other and it

1637
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: was a section only like you know, I want to

1638
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: apologize to don him blah blah blah. Trotter suggested I

1639
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: take that out because it was addressing because I was

1640
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: dressing him with the team. He didn't feel like he

1641
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: didn't feel like that I needed to address him. No,

1642
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: you yeah, you should have. That's what happened. So I

1643
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 1: didn't end up saying that part. I just said I

1644
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 1: apologized to the team, my teammates, and anybody that it offended.

1645
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: I offended whatever body saying that. So whomever got it

1646
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: from the fact machine, they saw that I didn't read that.

1647
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 1: They saw that you didn't read that. Bade him what

1648
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: the state, but the original statement, BINGO got back to

1649
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 1: the coach. You got back to the coach, then they

1650
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: must have told Donovan or what have you. And then

1651
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: he was ticked off because I didn't personally addressed or

1652
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 1: specifically address him. So Andy Reid wanted me to go

1653
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 1: out there in front of everybody and do it in

1654
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: front of everybody, and I told and now, I'm not

1655
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: doing that. That's not happening. You're not doing what We're

1656
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: not going out there, and he wanted he wanted you

1657
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: to do it again. I'm apologizing in front of the

1658
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: team to Donovan personal and I'm like, I'm not doing that. No, sir,

1659
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing that because number one, I knew in

1660
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 1: my heart that I didn't mean for the way that

1661
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 1: the way that sounded, nor how the media spend it

1662
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: or spun it right to make it thing like I

1663
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: didn't Teo, you do understand how intent worked, and ten

1664
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: only matters to you. The person that was offended is

1665
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: equally as offended whether you meant it or not. Right,

1666
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 1: But we never even got to a point of even

1667
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: discussing that, you know what I mean. So I was

1668
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: just like, no, I'm not doing it. Why not just

1669
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: apot say brought because I felt like I did it

1670
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: within within the within the scope of what would I address,

1671
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 1: would that I address it. So when I apologize to

1672
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: my teammates and anybody that then that's basically me addressing

1673
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: you can't do that because this thing you didn't say.

1674
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: You didn't say that's not just anybody that's the quarterback,

1675
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 1: and you said a quarterback from another team would be

1676
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 1: you guys would be better. Now that's not how you

1677
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: meant it, right, But that's how it came across once

1678
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: the headlines, because how do I get you to read

1679
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 1: the paper. I gotta get headlines, so I gotta put

1680
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 1: something in bold captured your tension so you will actually

1681
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: read it. So now that's so bro at the end

1682
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: of the day, when I've I've always said, you've heard

1683
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 1: me say this statement. If I could always, if I

1684
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 1: could go back, yeah, there would be some things I

1685
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: would do different. Okay, this is probably one of those things.

1686
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,040
Speaker 1: But at that time that's not where my mind and

1687
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 1: said it was because I knew that that's not what

1688
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: I meant. I mean, I wouldn't intentionally throw my quarterback

1689
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 1: under the bus. I was just answering that question based

1690
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: on what he asked me. But then at the same time,

1691
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: the media did me a disservice because they didn't like said,

1692
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't include the second part of it

1693
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: because like YO done and had been injured that year.

1694
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: I said, we could have easily been six and one

1695
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: instead of sitting here four and three. So, but the

1696
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 1: thing is it, I just said, Okay, I was giving

1697
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: more respect, not more respect, but I was just giving

1698
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: kudos in respect to who Brett Farve was in the

1699
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: caliber of quarterback he was at that time. It wasn't

1700
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: anything any slight. No, it wasn't a slight. If you

1701
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: listen to how he phrased it, then you could see

1702
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: where I was coming from with my answer. What happened

1703
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: with you and Brad Seorgi's because you guys had a

1704
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 1: wasn't Brad he was the offensive coordinated right, You and

1705
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: him had a like a contentious relationship. Yeah. So once

1706
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 1: I think, uh, something happened, I got back and at

1707
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: this point in time, you didn't get suspended for the

1708
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 1: Donovan thing. You got suspended with budding heads with Brad. Right, Nah,

1709
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 1: it was combination. You would think it might be in

1710
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: a combination thing because they were going to play Washington

1711
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: that week, and so Andy Reid basically said, you know,

1712
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna go play Washington. You're gonna sit

1713
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 1: there from out and he said, oh the weekend, we're

1714
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 1: gonna you know, we're gonna talk to the you know,

1715
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 1: owner and you know obviously the other players or whatever,

1716
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 1: and we'll see, you know, we'll assess everything and then

1717
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: go from there. Right, and so little did I know

1718
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: that was the last game that you know practice that

1719
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: that that that I played. Okay, they suspend you. It

1720
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: was only supposed to be for four games, right, No,

1721
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 1: but they changed the rule because they suspended you in

1722
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: definitely now they can only spend you for four games. Yeah,

1723
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:55,560
Speaker 1: but Donovan had a hand and like I said, the

1724
01:28:55,640 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: feat how you know that t bro trust me? Trust me,

1725
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: trust me, trust me. So that was bad enough for

1726
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: me to be suspended for the whole year that that situation. Okay,

1727
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: what happened? What happened with the sit up in the driveway?

1728
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 1: What about it? I went to training camp. That was

1729
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 1: me and Andy Reid. We had it. We butted head.

1730
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 1: I had you know, they have like positions. Uh, after

1731
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: certain practice they go signed autographs. But I was injured.

1732
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: I had was nursing the growing injury, So that was

1733
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 1: my priority. I wanted to prioritize, right, So I when

1734
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 1: I came there to do your research. When I got

1735
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: to the Philadelphia Eagles and we went to Lei Stadium,

1736
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 1: it was tens of thousands there every day, Shannon, I

1737
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: signed autographs. I lad, I took pictures everything. So I

1738
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I needed to take away from my

1739
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 1: treatment of me getting better and being on the football

1740
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 1: and the West Coast thing. What we do when they

1741
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,639
Speaker 1: have to have certain groups, like one days the DBS,

1742
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 1: you go and you sign autograph for ten fifteen minutes.

1743
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 1: The next day it might be somewhere else and you

1744
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 1: might do that twice while you're in training camp. I

1745
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: was doing it daily, right because of just I knew

1746
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: that was part of it. If you're injured, your exempt

1747
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 1: from that, you go get treatment. That's how it was

1748
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: in Denver, thank you. So that's how I saw it.

1749
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: So I wanted to prioritize my help. Dude, he was

1750
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: running me in the ground, dude, like I ran every

1751
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:32,640
Speaker 1: route every time. Done it with that quarterback. I had

1752
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: to run a round, right, Yeah. Yeah, that's that's how

1753
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: normally is as the start of then you go No.

1754
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: Even even the head trainer had to tell him, like, look,

1755
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: he's nursing a growing injury. You can't just run it wrong.

1756
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: I play. I practice hard, right, I know, I know.

1757
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 1: And so it was getting to me. So I got

1758
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: to the point like, yeah, I needed to get back

1759
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: on the field. That's how it was going to be productive. Right,

1760
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: That's what people pay their money. This kid you come

1761
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 1: to see. They come to see a show. Right, So

1762
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:01,759
Speaker 1: I wanted to prioritize, prioritize that, and we butted heads,

1763
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: and he didn't like what I had to say, and

1764
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 1: I said, look, my health is more important than going

1765
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: to sign some autographs, like I signed just one day, right.

1766
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: So he he didn't like what I had to say.

1767
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 1: He told me to go home. He's like, how did

1768
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,759
Speaker 1: you say it? Did you say, Andy, Look, I'm nursing

1769
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 1: a growing injury. Now I've signed. I trust me, I've

1770
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: signed my fears show up autographs. But you should understand

1771
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,560
Speaker 1: that it wasn't we were in it. We were in

1772
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:27,719
Speaker 1: a setting. We were like in the hallway or whatever,

1773
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 1: and so we were just kind of just going back

1774
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 1: and forth. The banter, you know, obviously started calm and

1775
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:34,560
Speaker 1: then I didn't like what he had to say. He

1776
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: didn't like what I had to say. And then he

1777
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 1: was like, so again, I'm not gonna be disrespectful, right,

1778
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 1: But I was like saying our voices. Man raised a bit,

1779
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: but he was like, you know what, I'm not gonna

1780
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 1: be disrespectful, but I'm not gonna let you be disrespectful

1781
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: to me. I just got you the coach. Now, you

1782
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: don't think at this point I'm growing. At this point,

1783
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely so. He bas just told me, like, you

1784
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 1: know what, go go home, he said, will we'll We'll

1785
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 1: get back to you. So I went back to the

1786
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 1: DORME got my stuff, drove back to UH to Morristown,

1787
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: and UH, little did I know, I get I get,

1788
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: I get home. At this point, I don't know what

1789
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing. I'm talking to you.

1790
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: I talked to UH my publicist at the time. I'm

1791
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: trying to change. You're trying to figure I'm like, what

1792
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 1: what what I do in the interiom? And so I

1793
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: had no idea that the time that I'm in there

1794
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: and I got into place in my in my house,

1795
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm just walking around and then I heard some helicopters

1796
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't really think too much other

1797
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: So then I hear knock at the door and I

1798
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 1: got the blind had the little shutter blinds. I looked

1799
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: through that, Shannon. They were kemped. They had been set

1800
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: up shop. Who told him though? But I mean it

1801
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 1: was an hour and a half to get from Lehigh

1802
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 1: back to Morristown, so you can only imagine you know,

1803
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 1: who had contacted by that time. And then, like I said,

1804
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, the local media or whatever. So they had

1805
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: the news truck everybody. I looked outside the tripod, I

1806
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, this is crazy, Shandon. That was honestly,

1807
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna start in Shannon. I ain't

1808
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: going to him a lot. I was like, I'm a star,

1809
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 1: and so I just tried to make light of a situation,

1810
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 1: bring some levity to it. Okay, So before I left, Shandon,

1811
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 1: I mean before I left Lehigh, Coach Reid basically said, either, look,

1812
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: go home, we'll get you know, we'll get back. Don't

1813
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 1: follow us. We'll call you. Yeah, he said, just keep

1814
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 1: yourself in shape, okay, because they ain't really a good

1815
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 1: dude to you. No, no, no, yeah, no, no, Red

1816
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: is good dude. Everybody. We called him, call her red man.

1817
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 1: We talked. I talked to him now man and uh

1818
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 1: so I get to the house and like I said,

1819
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 1: things happened and I just remember, you know, he was like,

1820
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 1: just make sure you're in shape. Right. So you know,

1821
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 1: in my house, I had an ab bench, you know,

1822
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: laying around the house. It's not the other So they

1823
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: kept knocking at my door. So I'm like, man, so

1824
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: I call him a publicity and she goes, you know,

1825
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 1: I said, what should I do? But la lad? So

1826
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 1: I said, I went out. I went outside. At one

1827
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: point in time, I had a basketball goal when out

1828
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 1: some flip flops. I'm just shooting basketball, you know what

1829
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 1: I mean. I remember that the area of size they

1830
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 1: showed me basket side. I went back in the house.

1831
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 1: And then so when I went back out, you should

1832
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 1: have been like Charlie Field. Once you go back in

1833
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 1: the house, stay in the house like round home. Then

1834
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: you stay in your house. But they were gonna get

1835
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 1: They was gonna camp out there all day. I had

1836
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: to go eat. So this is what I said, Let

1837
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: me just make let me just have fun with it.

1838
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: And I just like I said, in the back of

1839
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm just hearing and the reads keep yourself

1840
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 1: in shape, right. So I'm looking around, so I see

1841
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 1: my ab bench, and so I had to I was

1842
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: talking to my publicism shoot. And so that was the

1843
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 1: time when you had to little earpick until this day

1844
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:47,639
Speaker 1: and took Nobody knew that she was on my earpiece.

1845
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 1: She was on live when I went out there, right,

1846
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,560
Speaker 1: So when I took my ab bench out there, I

1847
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 1: was answering the questions. She heard what they were saying,

1848
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: and so she was just telling me what to say

1849
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 1: or whatever. Then that feel was something I didn't want

1850
01:34:57,560 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 1: to want to answer. I just said no comment, right.

1851
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 1: So that was the reason behind me bring number one

1852
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 1: the app bench out there, because I'm like, hey, he

1853
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 1: told me to come home, you know, come in here

1854
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 1: and stay and shape. So that's what I was doing. Okay,

1855
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 1: So you leave feeling it didn't work. I mean, you

1856
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 1: had a great like you said, in twenty one games,

1857
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 1: you had twenty touchdowns. You did go to the Super Bowl.

1858
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that Super Bowl. Normally, if somebody plays

1859
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 1: injured or plays hurt, it's like, you know what, man,

1860
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: he did a good thing. Now he should be commended. Yeah,

1861
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 1: why did you get so much criticism. You're the only

1862
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: guy that's ever played in a game when you're you're

1863
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: not hurt, you're injured because you're seven weeks removed from

1864
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 1: a broken ankle and a torn ligament in your ankle.

1865
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 1: Why did you get so much criticism for trying to

1866
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: help your team win? Had that been anybody else, They're

1867
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:45,759
Speaker 1: a build a statue of him. Like I said, I'm black,

1868
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, I'm outspoken. That looked at as me a brass, selfish,

1869
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: arrogant type of players. So anything negative I felt like

1870
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 1: that they could throw towards me. That's what they did.

1871
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 1: And so again at the end of the day, I

1872
01:35:58,040 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 1: said it at the end of press conference to I'm like, yo,

1873
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 1: this would have been bred far if you guys would

1874
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 1: be praising him, you know what I mean. I looked

1875
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:05,479
Speaker 1: at some of the games that he's played where he

1876
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 1: was sick or dealing with you know, family issues, and

1877
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 1: the way he played. I mean, he was lauded for that, right,

1878
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Just reasently Tom Brady played

1879
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: with thirteen stitches in the hand. They was like, that's

1880
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 1: like like he did something miraculous. But I played with

1881
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 1: the stint of the injury that I played with should

1882
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: have been out even the I even had to sign

1883
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 1: a way with the play in the Super Bowl. The

1884
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 1: doctor didn't even men to clear me, didn't even clear me.

1885
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,600
Speaker 1: But I had a broken fiddler, had two screws and

1886
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 1: a play in my ankle and knew it at the

1887
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 1: end of the day. Man, Like my grandmother's always just

1888
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 1: told me, just be true to who you are. Always

1889
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: have faith. And that's how I played the game. That's

1890
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: how I lived my life. Man, just on faith everything.

1891
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 1: You know, Faith is belief in something that seems doesn't

1892
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 1: that that doesn't seem possible, right, you know what I mean.

1893
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 1: That's what That was the caption on my post the

1894
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,680
Speaker 1: other day. And that's that's how I've always operated, man.

1895
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, you know, the you know things

1896
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 1: were I was targeted, believe the unseen. Yeah, people said

1897
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: this and that about me because of hearsay, without even

1898
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 1: getting to know me. They perceived me the perceptions like

1899
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 1: it's I get it, it's out there, but I know me,

1900
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 1: I know my heart, my teammates know me. And just

1901
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: because like I said, a few people that may him

1902
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 1: not have liked me. People that are in the media.

1903
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 1: They created narratives, people jumped on those narratives, networks did

1904
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,599
Speaker 1: and it just kind of just compounded. So I still

1905
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:33,760
Speaker 1: get it today. People they don't approach me because of

1906
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 1: what they've heard and read throughout the course of course

1907
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 1: of my career. You go to Dallas, Jerry Jones is

1908
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 1: all in. Jerry Jones is giddy like he just opened

1909
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 1: the package opened the President on Christmas. But the head coach.

1910
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 1: You and the head coach kind of butted heads right away. Oh, Sales,

1911
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 1: we didn't bet. I had nothing against him. I know

1912
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 1: you didn't, So we didn't butt heads. Maybe he had

1913
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 1: a disagreement and the decision that, but I had nothing

1914
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 1: against part Sales, none whatsoever. So I don't really think

1915
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 1: we butted his right because of I guess maybe he

1916
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 1: just didn't agree with the decision to bring me in

1917
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 1: because Keyshan with his guy Keishaan, had played with him

1918
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: in and in New York with the Jets. He was

1919
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,799
Speaker 1: there and he didn't feel like I was the caliber

1920
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:25,679
Speaker 1: of a receiver that he needed. Possibly, but obviously Jerry

1921
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 1: Jones saw different, right, I mean, even to the pointer,

1922
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 1: Like I said when I left there, Keishaan went in

1923
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:32,600
Speaker 1: the booth. He started taking shots to me when I

1924
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: was in when I was in Dallas. So to my

1925
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 1: whole much is given, much of the required a man,

1926
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 1: and I'm you dealt with a lot. You had a

1927
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: great relationship with Tony Romo, and Tony Rome will give

1928
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 1: you the ball. You go to Pro Bowls, You'll all pro.

1929
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 1: And then something happened. What happened? Bro? I have no idea.

1930
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 1: I signed a four year extension right going into the

1931
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 1: off season of after my third year I played six

1932
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: to oh nine. Right, Jerry Jones calls me and he's

1933
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: and I knew. I felt honored at the call because

1934
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:09,639
Speaker 1: I've been on teams where I've heard how coaches, general

1935
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 1: managers and owners talk to the vets of teams and

1936
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 1: kind of asking their input. Same thing Aaron Rodgers is

1937
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 1: going through the last few years not feeling included. Dude,

1938
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: I felt honored. He called me and he was like, Yo,

1939
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 1: what do we need to get over the hump? I

1940
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 1: gave him my assessment of what we need to do

1941
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: based on the three years that I had been there.

1942
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 1: I got an extension. I go into the off season.

1943
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 1: I think it's like maybe two months I'm living in Florida.

1944
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:44,599
Speaker 1: My agent is uh is living in Florida at the time,

1945
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 1: a financial guy. And so the owners mean as a

1946
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 1: big owners meeting or something in Florida. So Jerry's coming

1947
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:54,680
Speaker 1: to town. My agent called me because, Yo, Jerry's coming

1948
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 1: in town. He wants to talk to you. This is

1949
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 1: right before I think the new stadium is we go

1950
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 1: into the new stadium in the following year. He was all, Jerry,

1951
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,599
Speaker 1: didn't they want to talk to you, but bab about

1952
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 1: the upcoming season? Might I remind you? Now? I just

1953
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 1: I've already signed an extension, right. So we meet them

1954
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 1: at this hotel on the water, him and Stephen agent

1955
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:21,320
Speaker 1: was there, Drew was there, and uh we go to

1956
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 1: this go inside the hotel and they take us back

1957
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 1: to the back of this restaurant and then they put us,

1958
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 1: you know, put us, put us at a table, and

1959
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 1: so they put a cloth over the table, this and

1960
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 1: and the other, and uh. So we just started talking

1961
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 1: and I could tell, like, you know, Jerry had been

1962
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, had had a few, he had a couple

1963
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:39,679
Speaker 1: of them, you know what I mean. I could just tell.

1964
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 1: And so I didn't really think much of it. Stephen

1965
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 1: was there. So we're at the table. Jerry's here. I

1966
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 1: think Drew was over here, and I think Stephen may

1967
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 1: have been over there. I can't remember if the other

1968
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,600
Speaker 1: agent was there or not. And so, uh, he just

1969
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 1: started talking about the organization and just making comparisons here

1970
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 1: and there, talking about Romo and the Cowboys and bringing

1971
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: up me, and then he get he gets a pen

1972
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 1: and draws a line down the middle of the table.

1973
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 1: So now he starts kind of differentiating, kind of just separating,

1974
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: kind of like everything that's like, okay, you know, the

1975
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 1: cowboys over here, and then he put t over here.

1976
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 1: Then he would start, you know, he put one line

1977
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: over there, and then he started putting like, you know,

1978
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 1: I said Romo this, that, and the other Teo over here,

1979
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 1: organization here, t o here, anything positive or you know,

1980
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 1: related to the cowboys. He put on one side and

1981
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:41,599
Speaker 1: then he basically like I'm on on this on this side,

1982
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 1: you by yourself. So then he drew a line down

1983
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,600
Speaker 1: the middle of this and he said, we got a

1984
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:53,600
Speaker 1: part ways. That's how I got cut. What but you

1985
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 1: at your side about for your extension the year before, right,

1986
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 1: That's how I got cuts and no line. That's how

1987
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 1: That's that's how it ended. When I looked, I looked

1988
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 1: at I remember Drew looked at me, and I looked

1989
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 1: at him, and I'm thinking, this is a joke. You're like,

1990
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 1: where the camera is, right, I'm looking for Asian culture. Yeah,

1991
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 1: y'all punking me this candy camera. I don't know if

1992
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 1: you want to remember candy camera. Yeah, but punk is so.

1993
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 1: And then when we saw that it was real, I

1994
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 1: think Drew asked you, like, are you serious? There is

1995
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 1: there any way we can you know, resolve this or

1996
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:37,599
Speaker 1: whatever I did, I was kind of like in shock.

1997
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 1: I was kind of a lost words. I didn't I

1998
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:44,559
Speaker 1: didn't really know what to say, what to do because

1999
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: Asians like, where do we go from here? I don't

2000
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 1: know what transpired from really that phone call that we had,

2001
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, months prior to to to that day. The

2002
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 1: reports are you can confirm or deny that there was

2003
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 1: some started to be some tension between you and Jason Witt.

2004
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 1: Never I don't even know where that comes from. I've

2005
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 1: even had and seen shows with you and Skip and

2006
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 1: they said that he bucked up at me and he

2007
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 1: didn't bro Jason Winn has never confronted me We've never

2008
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 1: had any tension. And trust me, this ain't what he

2009
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: want anyway. I promise you, I knew, I promise Shannon,

2010
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,560
Speaker 1: I promise you that. I promise you that I'm not

2011
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 1: no bad tough guys. But we never had any tension.

2012
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,760
Speaker 1: So I don't even know where Skip got that from, right,

2013
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,280
Speaker 1: And he said that he confronted me. I remember he

2014
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:47,439
Speaker 1: was like, oh wit and confronted t O at practice

2015
01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:51,240
Speaker 1: and I backed down. I'm like what but stuff like that,

2016
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 1: I just I just let it. I just let it go.

2017
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 1: And that's how a lot of stuff in the media

2018
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 1: gets blown out of proportion. Believe X y Z. But

2019
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 1: till your numbers didn't want to release due did Gerry.

2020
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:05,560
Speaker 1: I came on the show and I showed you. I

2021
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 1: told you everything. I even brought the the what is

2022
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:12,640
Speaker 1: it the release papers or whatever? It said conduct detrimental

2023
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:15,960
Speaker 1: to the team is why I was being released it

2024
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:18,760
Speaker 1: it no, was it performance based? It was one of

2025
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: the other yeah, because that's only that that's true closet right, right,

2026
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,560
Speaker 1: So I think it, Uh, yeah, it was mark performance

2027
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:30,640
Speaker 1: bas it had exactly. I brought the I brought the

2028
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:33,599
Speaker 1: paper on the show because I got somebody to send

2029
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 1: it to me because it has to be filed with

2030
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 1: the NFL absolute and I and I when I read that,

2031
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:42,560
Speaker 1: it said the reason that I was being cut was

2032
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 1: performance based. It had nothing to do with conduct detrimental

2033
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 1: to the team. But if you let Skip Bayless tell it,

2034
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,680
Speaker 1: he'll piss in your face and tell you of all

2035
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 1: the of all the releases, the parting of the way

2036
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 1: at the forty nine is the parting of the Eagles

2037
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. It seems to me the Cowboys hurt the

2038
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 1: most because I Bro it's and I don't like when

2039
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, obviously quarterbacks, you know, they're they're like the

2040
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: head coach there. They start getting control. Romo started to play,

2041
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, lights out again. I was a part of

2042
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 1: his success. And then he was dating Jessica Simpson. He

2043
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 1: was a star you went to back for because remember

2044
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,679
Speaker 1: they lost to the Giants. He was the Mexico Party

2045
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,680
Speaker 1: with Jessica. You was only saying that's my quarterback. You

2046
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 1: you went to back for. Bro. Trust me, not only

2047
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:41,719
Speaker 1: did I see things that were going on during practice

2048
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:43,840
Speaker 1: games or whatever. He was forcing the ball in double

2049
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 1: double coverage to witness and Bro, I wasn't the only

2050
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:49,800
Speaker 1: one that mentioned some of those things. Maybe those guys

2051
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:53,720
Speaker 1: weren't vocal enough or had the balls enough to say it,

2052
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 1: and I did. I addressed it. And maybe he didn't

2053
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 1: like the truth, but I saw it. And it wasn't

2054
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 1: like I addressed things behind closed doors. Like I said

2055
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: when I went to Philly, I wasn't trying to have

2056
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 1: that stigma that I was a bad teammate. All these

2057
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 1: things that I've heard, Okay, we're going to keep things

2058
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,720
Speaker 1: in the house. Let's talk. That's what I was doing, right.

2059
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 1: My coaches, they'll tell you the things that we addressed.

2060
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 1: As an offense or individual. It got outside of the

2061
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 1: room and wasn't but there were specific people in that room,

2062
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:27,120
Speaker 1: so you know it came from one of them. My

2063
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 1: coach even knew who that came from. I knew when

2064
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 1: no players weren't gonna say nothing, and it got to

2065
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 1: the media about very I'm talking about what was being

2066
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 1: you know where it came from. You know who said it?

2067
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 1: Trust me. So all of that stuff, man, and the

2068
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 1: Todd Hayley's, the wittings and all the stuff that transpired. Man,

2069
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:54,920
Speaker 1: like I said, it is what it is. I know,

2070
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:57,800
Speaker 1: Like I said, they had a hand and and me

2071
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 1: not returning. There was something that happened, and when dads

2072
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 1: went through that little situation, guess who was still there.

2073
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 1: It was a similar situation with Romo, Garrett and Whitton.

2074
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 1: Why he started, you know, trust me, whether smoked this sprit,

2075
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:16,840
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't just say stuff just to

2076
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 1: be saying. And then years later people now seeing they think,

2077
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 1: like man TiO was on or something, maybe there's something

2078
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 1: to it. I'm just not gonna make something up, bro,

2079
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 1: Like I was a team player. Man, if I'm running

2080
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 1: route Shannon, I know what I know. I know my

2081
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:34,560
Speaker 1: job as a number one receiver. I can be a

2082
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:37,640
Speaker 1: decod I can be number one. I know how valuable

2083
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 1: I was. I mean there were times, man, I would

2084
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:43,000
Speaker 1: haul ass off the line knowing I wasn't going to

2085
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:44,640
Speaker 1: get the ball Shanning, But I know my tight end

2086
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 1: gonna be open, somebody in the scene is gonna be

2087
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:50,040
Speaker 1: That's what I do, right. There were games I remember

2088
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm sprinting down the field witting I'm clear enough for

2089
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 1: my guy. I wanna get my guy knocked out. He

2090
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,320
Speaker 1: makes a big game. I'm running back to the heart

2091
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 1: of wit man. He goes to bed tea. He goes, Man,

2092
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 1: this play never happens if you don't do what you're doing, right, Shannon,

2093
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 1: That's that's who I was, right. But if you listen

2094
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:12,080
Speaker 1: to the media, they're gonna tell you something totally different.

2095
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:14,759
Speaker 1: And that's why I was so confident in my ability

2096
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 1: and I did what I did, and I was still

2097
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 1: outspoken because my grandmother told me to tell the truth.

2098
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I didn't know anything about

2099
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 1: being politically correction right, you know what I mean. That's

2100
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 1: not that I wasn't. I wasn't wired that way. And

2101
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 1: when they asked me something, I answered it. You know,

2102
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:30,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking, Okay, if I answered this way, okay,

2103
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:33,559
Speaker 1: this is putting this guy, you know, in harm's way.

2104
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:35,760
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't thinking that way. But as I

2105
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 1: got older and I started, Okay, this is the media

2106
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 1: is angled, this is how they do things. And so now,

2107
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,000
Speaker 1: like I said, then when you start not wanting to

2108
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:45,280
Speaker 1: talk to the media, then they have a problem with you.

2109
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:48,479
Speaker 1: When they're making you look bad. It's like, okay, you

2110
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:50,800
Speaker 1: can't win, right. So that's why, like I said, I

2111
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 1: let my play do the talking and speaking for me,

2112
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:56,040
Speaker 1: and I felt like it did loud, and so I

2113
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:59,880
Speaker 1: realized that I had the last say. Nobody like I said,

2114
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:03,679
Speaker 1: whatever went on. If I went out and played poorly,

2115
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 1: it was only gonna validate what they were saying and

2116
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 1: what they were talking about. So I just did what

2117
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:11,639
Speaker 1: I had to do. But I mean, I don't think

2118
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 1: sometimes you even realize what you accomplished. You go to

2119
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,519
Speaker 1: San Francisco and eventually you're the leading receiver. You go

2120
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 1: to Philly, you're the lead receiver. You go to Dallas,

2121
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 1: you're the leading receiver. You go to Buffalo and you

2122
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:27,439
Speaker 1: only what you played. I think you played fourteen games,

2123
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 1: you the leading receiver. And then and it was guys

2124
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:34,720
Speaker 1: what ten years younger than me. Yeah, Lee Evans was

2125
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,720
Speaker 1: a leading receiver in Buffalo. I go to Cincinnati. Chad

2126
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 1: had been there with car car for nine ten years.

2127
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 1: He's been the leader. And you don't have a double D.

2128
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 1: You touch that m a foul yard. Had you not

2129
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:47,839
Speaker 1: tore your knee up with two games left, three games finished,

2130
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 1: with what nine seventy three or something like that, could

2131
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: have had a thousand, easy right ten ten touchdowns And

2132
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:58,720
Speaker 1: during that season, people don't even know that Monday night.

2133
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:00,360
Speaker 1: If you go back and watch that money him see

2134
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:02,800
Speaker 1: the highlights. I had a broken hand during that game

2135
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 1: and had like ten receptions something y like in a

2136
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: touchdown and against Troy Polamalu. I had broke my hand

2137
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 1: during during the week of practice. All I put a

2138
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 1: pad on it balled out when I got people didn't

2139
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:18,679
Speaker 1: even know that when I got when I got tackled,

2140
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 1: I had to get up off my on my wrist

2141
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:22,479
Speaker 1: because I couldn't put my hand down right. But those

2142
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 1: are the things that I did. I played with pain.

2143
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 1: I did it for the team, you know what I mean,

2144
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:30,560
Speaker 1: because I knew how valuable I was. I learned that

2145
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:33,639
Speaker 1: early on. I saw what Jerry did, and then I adopted,

2146
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, uh some of those things that he did

2147
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:38,960
Speaker 1: in his play. And then I just took what God

2148
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 1: blessed me and kind of just took a little bit

2149
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 1: of what Jerry did. And you got TiO. If you

2150
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:50,680
Speaker 1: could have you talked to Dolan since you left Philly Man,

2151
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:53,240
Speaker 1: we've talked and dressed at a couple of times, and

2152
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 1: then I think it was over the summer. During the

2153
01:50:56,280 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 1: last year it resurfaced. Hate uh Ts does his show

2154
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 1: called untold Stories. He brings Donovan on and this is

2155
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 1: how it came back, This is how it comes back up.

2156
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 1: He addresses what happened or have you? And then he

2157
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:14,240
Speaker 1: says that I, you know that I prevented them from

2158
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 1: going back to back to super Bowls, this and that

2159
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:21,640
Speaker 1: and the other. But which was a bunch of hogwash

2160
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 1: because it's hypocrisy at it at its finest because during

2161
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:29,640
Speaker 1: the time that they were asking him questions about you

2162
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 1: know what, i'd be ready or it would need you,

2163
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:36,760
Speaker 1: he didn't need me. But now years later, you want

2164
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:41,640
Speaker 1: to recount what happened, And now now I prevented you

2165
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 1: from going to prevent the team from going to the

2166
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:45,400
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? So which is it going to be? Right?

2167
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:49,200
Speaker 1: So I just had to basically just follow up, you know,

2168
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:51,600
Speaker 1: on you know, do a follow up or just so

2169
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 1: I kind of just but y'all cool, No, we ain't cool,

2170
01:51:55,439 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 1: not after that, because I thought we were. We had

2171
01:51:57,600 --> 01:51:59,400
Speaker 1: addressed it at some point. I had to run into

2172
01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:01,760
Speaker 1: him and I thought were cool, okay, and then this

2173
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:08,520
Speaker 1: show comes about untold story. Then he's and it's exactly

2174
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 1: So I just had to address, you know, what he

2175
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:15,320
Speaker 1: had put out there, and so I just basically just

2176
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 1: gave my side of the story. So, man, during that

2177
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:24,559
Speaker 1: time that I played, and you know, media had asked

2178
01:52:24,640 --> 01:52:26,680
Speaker 1: him during my tenure there, you know, did I help

2179
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:29,000
Speaker 1: him become a better, you know, better quarterback? This's not

2180
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 1: and the other he got to I think he took

2181
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 1: a finch to that. And why I did you had

2182
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:36,080
Speaker 1: to ask him that. I don't know why, but I

2183
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:38,679
Speaker 1: even had. I had a conversation with my my receiver

2184
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 1: coach at that time about some of the same things

2185
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 1: that the media was asking about his stats and how

2186
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 1: they increase. And you look at before I was got there,

2187
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 1: when I got there, and after I got there, it

2188
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:52,880
Speaker 1: was obvious, right and my my coach knew that. But

2189
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, he didn't like the question or the

2190
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:58,400
Speaker 1: idea that I came in and I made him a

2191
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:01,719
Speaker 1: better But I get my numbers with jar. They always

2192
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 1: look at my number without but I didn't have a problem.

2193
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:06,560
Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem. He had the problem with

2194
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:09,479
Speaker 1: that I didn't. So this is where all of this,

2195
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, where things went wrong that

2196
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 1: it was him. It wasn't me, but everybody would think

2197
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 1: it's me because of history and the narrative that everywhere

2198
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 1: that I go, I'm an issue. Yeah, it's hard to

2199
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:25,280
Speaker 1: run your reputation, right, So, like I said, I just

2200
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 1: had to be true to who I was man. At

2201
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I know that with every

2202
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 1: quarterback that I played, the good ones, that average ones not.

2203
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have been able to do what I

2204
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 1: did without them, right, it was a complimentary thing, you

2205
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:41,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it was I was, you know,

2206
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:42,680
Speaker 1: I was like a kid in a cash store, just

2207
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 1: like at he knew what he was getting. I knew

2208
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:47,400
Speaker 1: what I was getting myself into when I went to

2209
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:51,080
Speaker 1: h It's a high powered offense that needed somewhat somebody

2210
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:56,599
Speaker 1: on my caliber. The defense was was stocked stacked. Uh,

2211
01:53:57,479 --> 01:54:02,720
Speaker 1: you got Trotter Simon, you got Dawkins Lewis. I mean

2212
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:06,800
Speaker 1: the defense was there. Our defense were like offense. So

2213
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:08,800
Speaker 1: I already knew I was gonna score. I was gonna

2214
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:10,960
Speaker 1: be scoring touchdown looking right, because we're gonna have a

2215
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:13,200
Speaker 1: short field. Was gonna get the ball a lot. And

2216
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:16,759
Speaker 1: so the numbers that we put up like, he improved

2217
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:20,080
Speaker 1: in pretty much every category, right, and for whatever reason

2218
01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:22,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't not that he needs or I need any

2219
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 1: validation but the media. But the numbers speak for themselves.

2220
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 1: I get that. So, like I said, it wasn't a

2221
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 1: mean situation. It wasn't me that was causing issues. What's

2222
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 1: your relationship like with Tony Romo? I mean we're cool.

2223
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:37,800
Speaker 1: I haven't really said too much about you know, to

2224
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 1: him or what have you talked to him each other?

2225
01:54:40,840 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 1: M No, I don't think. No we have. We haven't

2226
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:46,160
Speaker 1: not now we haven't talked. You mentioned a lot about

2227
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 1: your grandmother. You grew up in a small town in Alabama,

2228
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 1: Alexander City. Talk about your upbringing and have that shape

2229
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 1: the teal that we see today. Man, went to church,

2230
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:00,760
Speaker 1: you know how they went to church every Sunday, do

2231
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:04,920
Speaker 1: it throughout the course of the week. That was missionary

2232
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:10,320
Speaker 1: Bible students students. Man, it was something. It was something

2233
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 1: to do every day of the week. Yes, deacon board meeting.

2234
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:16,640
Speaker 1: I didn't need hathing to do with that. But I

2235
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:19,000
Speaker 1: was going with my grandmason. She went, I went right,

2236
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:23,840
Speaker 1: and she always instill like she instilled Usn't you know

2237
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:27,200
Speaker 1: what faith was about the higher being of God? And

2238
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 1: you know I'm not a Bible thumper or anything like that.

2239
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:34,720
Speaker 1: I know I'm truly blessed. I didn't get all this,

2240
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:38,120
Speaker 1: just wake up with it, you know what I mean.

2241
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:45,200
Speaker 1: And so like I told you, faith, you know, that's

2242
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:49,800
Speaker 1: what she always told him. Believe in yourself and have faith.

2243
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:54,400
Speaker 1: And I've always been that way, uh, you know, throughout everything,

2244
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 1: through the highs and lows, just with the naysayer, the tractors,

2245
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,280
Speaker 1: I mean, even just being on social media, even now,

2246
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:04,760
Speaker 1: just with you know, me posting stuff and people thinking

2247
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm crazy, I'm washed up. They thinking I'm doing it

2248
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:13,480
Speaker 1: for X y Z. They don't know me, and they

2249
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 1: if they got a chance to see how I was raised.

2250
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:18,840
Speaker 1: I was raised by a strict grandmother, you know, growing

2251
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:25,320
Speaker 1: up in the segregation era. Listening to her talk about

2252
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 1: the hard ships not only that she had gone through,

2253
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:32,040
Speaker 1: but her mom and dad picking cotton. I can't imagine

2254
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:35,600
Speaker 1: picking cotton in the hot sun. Bro we get in

2255
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 1: the hot sun. We got it. We were going in

2256
01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:41,040
Speaker 1: the shade. My daughters two years ago took her to

2257
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:45,640
Speaker 1: Alabama for the first time. Shannon. She was like, it's hot,

2258
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 1: I go. She couldn't stand it. She wouldn't go in

2259
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:52,760
Speaker 1: the house. But I I can't imagine. You know, some

2260
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 1: of the things that you know, we as black America

2261
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 1: America has gone through, and just listening to her talk

2262
01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:03,400
Speaker 1: to her friends at that time, you know some of

2263
01:57:03,480 --> 01:57:06,800
Speaker 1: what she had to go through. And so even like

2264
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:08,520
Speaker 1: I said, going through some of the things that I

2265
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:14,560
Speaker 1: saw race, the systemic racism, and just being treated differently

2266
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 1: because I felt like I was a black man, strong

2267
01:57:18,160 --> 01:57:21,640
Speaker 1: man and outspoken, Shannon, I didn't I wasn't doing anything wrong.

2268
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:25,440
Speaker 1: My mom and my grandma would, they would be the

2269
01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:29,240
Speaker 1: first to tell me. I had coaches, black coaches on

2270
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:32,800
Speaker 1: the staff that I looked, looked up to. Its big brothers,

2271
01:57:32,920 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 1: fathers or whatever. They they would they was aware of

2272
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,480
Speaker 1: what was going on, and they pulled me to the side.

2273
01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:41,600
Speaker 1: They say, yep, tee, you're not doing nothing wrong. If

2274
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:44,240
Speaker 1: you're doing something, we'll tell you. That's why I still

2275
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:47,360
Speaker 1: went out there no matter what, no matter what the

2276
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:49,440
Speaker 1: media was saying about me. And that's why I still

2277
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:53,760
Speaker 1: went out on that field and I played because I

2278
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 1: was I was a strong but I was mentally strong

2279
01:57:56,360 --> 01:58:00,000
Speaker 1: and I didn't allow anything and everything that the media

2280
01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 1: you said about me, it was good or bad or

2281
01:58:01,600 --> 01:58:02,800
Speaker 1: what have you, and some of it, a lot of

2282
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:06,600
Speaker 1: it was bad to manifest because you talk about mental

2283
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:09,800
Speaker 1: health awareness how it is now. I would have been

2284
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:12,840
Speaker 1: a candidate for that, right, but I didn't. That's not

2285
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 1: how I rolled. That's not how I was built, right.

2286
01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:19,240
Speaker 1: You know, as an athlete, we're building to get to

2287
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:23,920
Speaker 1: that next level. No matter what. It's mental toughness. That's

2288
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 1: what makes us who we are. That's what makes the

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Speaker 1: the good and the great ones so great. And not

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Speaker 1: taking away from, you know, minimizing mental health a weddings.

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Speaker 1: I know that it's out there because we all experienced that.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we go through those dark days and times. We

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Speaker 1: all have best, some days better than others. So man,

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Speaker 1: just growing up in a house man and my not

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Speaker 1: knowing who my dad was, and I was like a

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Speaker 1: precheen right before thirteen, and realizing that he was. I

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Speaker 1: was going to my dad's house and I didn't know

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Speaker 1: he stayed right across the street street from me. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I never thought about it. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: as I grew up, I'm sure that may have had

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Speaker 1: some type of effect on me, but I didn't prioritize,

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Speaker 1: you know, what I didn't have or what have you.

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Speaker 1: I just may do with what I did have, and

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Speaker 1: that was my grandmother there and she taught me right

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Speaker 1: from wrong. And then even now, I mean, people will again,

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Speaker 1: they will perceive me to be this person because of

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Speaker 1: how the media has betrayed me. But if I was

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Speaker 1: such a bad person, you would think of ten years

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Speaker 1: or whatever how many years I've been out of league,

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Speaker 1: I would probably be in jail. I probably would have

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Speaker 1: done something to validate or give you a hint that, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is what this is what going. But I'm not

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Speaker 1: that sham, right, And I thank God for my grandmother

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Speaker 1: for who I am, And that's why I hold my

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Speaker 1: head up high no matter what you know, anybody says

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Speaker 1: about me. And I know there are people that I

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Speaker 1: will come in contact with if they look at me sideways,

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01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:47,960
Speaker 1: they think certain things. I can see it, I can

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Speaker 1: feel it. But I am who I am, and I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna change just to appease you. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: the things that I've done on the football field has

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Speaker 1: afforded me daily opportunities, right, you know, people and the

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Speaker 1: stuff on the internet about me losing money and having

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Speaker 1: this not and the other, I'm doing such and such

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Speaker 1: for money. Bro, I've I've been without money, and I've

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Speaker 1: had money and I'm fine, I look good, my kids

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Speaker 1: are fine. Why are they worried about me? Right? So again,

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Speaker 1: my grandmother like said, I owe a lot to her,

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Speaker 1: and and my mom. My mom like said, she raised

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Speaker 1: four kids. I got two sisters and a brother. They

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Speaker 1: supported me. And man, it's it's amazing that I came

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Speaker 1: out of Alexandra City, Alabama. I came out of Benjamin

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Speaker 1: Russell High School, Shannon. We had some studies, we had

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Speaker 1: some stars at Benjamin Russell High School, and I guarantee

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Speaker 1: you none of them would have thought that I would

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Speaker 1: have been the one that make made it to where

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Speaker 1: I made it. I appreciate you stopping by man, man,

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Speaker 1: best of luck, continue appreciate it all. With the wine,

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Speaker 1: the glass of the U, the clothing. Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: got to get you some of my candles too. I

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Speaker 1: got candles everything. You know. I told you about my

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Speaker 1: my my three pillars of success, desired, dedication, and discipline.

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Speaker 1: And I have a wine parent candle that goes with

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Speaker 1: we made a wine parent and a gold vessel. So

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Speaker 1: we have since dedicated to desire dedication, and discipline. You

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Speaker 1: know I live. Drop it off, what Bro, I want you.

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Speaker 1: I want you to unveil it, just like you unveil

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Speaker 1: I want that same treatment you want. The first wanted

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Speaker 1: to call me after I have my hip surge just

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Speaker 1: a you need anything, man, trust me, I drop I know,

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Speaker 1: I know where you live. I drop it off if

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Speaker 1: you need it. Bro. I appreciate that. I know that,

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Speaker 1: I know I feel. Yeah. You know I've gone to

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Speaker 1: bad for you. No, no, for sure, And like I said,

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Speaker 1: I take the criticism good and bad, and I take

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Speaker 1: it for what it's worth because you know I'm a

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Speaker 1: true friend to you. That's what you know. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: really appreciate talking about best to look on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: I heard you about to start shooting that back again, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: to look at your podcast. Give us the name up

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Speaker 1: Sunday and on YouTube anytime. Appreciate it. Yeah, all my

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Speaker 1: life and grinding all my life. Sacrifice Hustle back price,

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Speaker 1: Want a slice, Got the brown, the dice to swap

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Speaker 1: all my life. I've been grinding in all my life,

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Speaker 1: All my life, then grinding all my life sacrifice. Hustle

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Speaker 1: back prices. Want a slice, Got the broll, dice to

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Speaker 1: swap all my life. I've been grinding in all my life.