WEBVTT - Jupiter Ascending with Summer Farah 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.000 On the Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 Women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.879 or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.960 Beast start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:21.599 Hello, Jupiter Loftis, it's me Capricorn Dorante. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.760 Wait, don't you mean Cane Dorante o Caine? 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:27.320 Yeah, Cane Jupiter. 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.920 Loftis and Cane Durrante. That didn't even really connect for me, 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:32.479 But in a way we're kind of meant to be. 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.360 I'll just keep being like, what's this, and then you'll 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:36.920 tell me, and then we'll go to another room and 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.199 I'll be like, what's this? And then you'll tell me. 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.280 And then sometimes you'll be like can we make out 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.239 right now? And then I'll be like, no. 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.760 I do feel weirdly. I mean, it's like it's obviously 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.040 a mess. But there are certain times in life where 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:55.520 you're presented with an existential problem and your response to 0:00:55.560 --> 0:01:00.640 it is, hm, should we kiss? You're like focus, focus, dude. 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.880 You were just told you own the world and your 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:09.160 response was should I kiss my wolf? Boyfriend? And I 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:13.320 think that we have had emotional situations not us specifically, 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.200 but also us specifically, where you're like, you're presented with 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:20.000 an existential question and you're like, let's focus on something manageable, 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:23.520 like should we kiss? And already I've put more emotional 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.679 thought into the character of Jupiter Jones, who came out 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.760 I think the same year as Jessica Jones. I kept 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.600 Jupiter Jones Jessica Jones. I really liked that show when 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:33.360 it first came out. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.119 Yeah, I forgot about that for some reason. 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:40.440 Wow, I didn't welcome to the Bextel cast. My name 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:41.720 is Jupiter. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:48.520 And I'm Cain Durante, and together we will ascend. We 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:50.640 will ascend to where I don't know. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:55.360 I don't know. Neither does something eugenics. 0:01:55.960 --> 0:02:00.280 Yeah, oh gosh, this is our show where we demon 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.840 movies through an intersexual feminist lens, using the Bechdel Test 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.760 simply as a jumping off point. But Jamie Wood on 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:11.240 Earth is that Earth that is owned by by Jupiter Jones. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:15.480 Jupiter Jones, not that she understands what that means or 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.679 has much interest in it, which is maybe praxis. I 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:20.000 don't know. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:20.760 I don't know. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:25.160 So the Bechdel test is media metric created by friend 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.560 of the show, our dear pal, Alison Bechtel. It is 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.080 a media magic that's existed since the eighties, but it 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.840 has since been adapted into a mainstream metric. Our version 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.400 requires that two characters of a marginalized gender speak to 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.160 each other about something other than a man for more 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.040 than two lines of dialogue. And this is actually the 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.000 Bechtel test is going to be an amazing tool to 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.320 use today because how many times can a movie past 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.560 the Bechdel test and it just be Mila Kunis introducing 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.880 herself to another blonde woman. That is I would say 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.760 a good seventy five percent of the Bechdel test passes 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.919 in this movie. And sure, two characters reading is technically important, 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:09.280 but it is less than ideal. And that's the episode 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:13.160 we did it and bye. But yes, that's the Bechdel test. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.960 And today we have been brought the challenge of a lifetime. 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.240 We have been brought to ascend, and we have an 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.400 incredible returning guest to us, to ascend us, to ascend 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:24.520 with us, to ascend. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.880 Us all of the above. She is a Palestinian American 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:33.320 writer from California. She is the author of The Hungering 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.800 Years You remember her from our episode on Julie and Julia, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.320 and she is calling on you to recommit yourself to 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:44.040 the liberation of the Palestinian people. Every day it's summer Farah, 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:45.480 Hello and welcome back. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:50.800 Hi. Oh my goodness, I've been keeping my giggles silent. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:57.200 You don't have to do silence anymore. Don't silence yourself. Yay, Hi, 0:03:58.440 --> 0:03:59.680 welcome back. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.720 Welcome, Thank you for having me. 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.080 Wow, Julie, Julia, Jupiter. I'm sensing a pattern. 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.480 Oh my goodness, names that start with Jay you you, Yeah, 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.120 Julia and Julia and Jupiter. 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.680 I mean, that's that's how we can connect them. 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.920 Well, but before we get into this, because we could 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.720 barely contain ourselves off, Mike, there's so much to talk about. First, 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.680 you just had a new poetry collection come out, The 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:25.880 Hungering Years. We want to hear all about it all. 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.599 Yeah. I had a collection called The Hungering Years come 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.880 out with Host Publications. They are a small press based 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:39.280 in Austin, Texas, and it is poems about being obsessed 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:43.280 with things, poems about food, poems about hanging out with 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:48.800 your friends, and the kind of orienting philosophy of a 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.000 lot of it is like excess and too muchness, which 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.800 is why I thought Jupiter is Snding would be a 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:56.520 great thematic tie. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:58.400 I'm seeing the connection. 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.440 I The last time I saw you, we discussed this 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:08.200 movie and I couldn't wrap my head around it, and 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:12.599 now having seen it, I can't wrap my head around it. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:16.800 I'm so excited too, because this is I think I 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.960 was mixing this movie up with something else. First of all, 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.040 I don't know who I thought directed this, but this 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.160 is a this is what Chowski's joined. Oh yeah, this 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.040 is like the big leagues. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:33.279 Yeah, and yet incredibly respected directors, and it's like icons, Yeah, 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.160 you know why everyone said yes to doing this? Oh? 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.599 Absolutely right, Like you know, it's like, yeah, of course, 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.960 like I would. I would do literally anything they asked 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:42.240 me to. 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.800 It's kind of interesting and heartbreaking is too strong a word. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:52.080 In retrospect, watching interviews like cast interviews, particularly with Channing Tatum, 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.520 who I carry a torch for who He's like so 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.120 excited and he's like, I would have done anything that 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.920 the Witchowskis would ask I'm like the biggest Matrix fan 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:03.840 in the world. This was such a cool opportunity. I 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.200 was so excited and then like eight years later. I 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:07.880 think he was asked about it in an interview and 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.400 he was like, well, that shoot was really hard. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.880 Wait can I quote it? Can I say what he said? 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.600 Because he uses a turn of phrase that is so funny. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.680 He says, Jupiter sending was a nightmare from the jump. 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.320 It was a sideways movie. All of us were there 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.360 for seven months busting our hump? 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:34.400 How old is he? Okay, people busting our hump. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.520 I'm never gonna stop laughing about that. I've never heard 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.040 that expression before, Like, what does that mean? 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:45.960 I've only heard it from like senior citizens, genuinely wow, 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:50.960 busting our hump? Wow, chanting Tatum, he's old. I don't 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.920 even know how old he is. Maybe he's he's only 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:53.240 a few. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:54.799 Years older than me, I think. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:56.719 And you've never busted your hump. 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.560 That is not true. I have I bust my hump. 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.680 Okay, hey, hey, hey, okay, sorry. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.039 I'm not so virgin. I bust my hope. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.160 That's well, that's not what he's saying. He's this. I 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:15.520 will say, this movie is many things, horny is not 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:16.560 one of them. 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.480 That's really interesting because I don't I mean, I don't know. 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:21.880 I feel like I think it is horny. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.440 I think it is horny, really, I don't. I don't know. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:25.680 I think it wants to be. 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.600 Yeah, I definitely think it aspires to be horny. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.640 It's like incestuously horny, and so you kind of like 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:33.760 don't want it to be. But I don't know. 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.200 They want their mom, but yeah, they all do. When 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:38.160 I with their mom. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:43.240 There's like Oedipus stuff happening. There is bestiality kind of 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.200 if you consider chanted him to be a wolf man. 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.480 I'm so unclear. I'm like, why is I okay? First 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.679 of all, what stood up to be about this movie 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:56.280 is that the Razzie winning performance to me is what 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.200 I'm holding closest to my heart, and that is the 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:03.360 Eddie redmain permance, which everyone hates. Yeah, but I kind 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.080 of love it the more I sit with it, Like 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:09.360 every word comes out unlike you've ever heard a word. 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:14.760 He's like, it won't be mine. He sounds like when 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.360 SpongeBob is out of the water and he's all dried up, 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:24.240 Like he sounds like SpongeBob dry. I like it, And 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.680 then he won a Razzie for it. This was also 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.280 around the time he won an Oscar for the Theory 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:33.719 of Everything, and Eddie Redmain's Oscar record we can talk 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.880 about because it is uh, it is sordid and bleak. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.720 It was the theory of everything Oscar, right, yes? Or 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.440 is it okay? Yeah? Yeah? 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.120 Yeah. But The Danish Girl comes out this same year 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:49.920 in twenty fifteen, and I guess that Lana Wachowski and 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.360 Eddie Redmain were discussing that role, and she was advising 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.560 him on the set of Jupiter Ascending, which is both 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.880 sweet and I'm like, I can't deal with that today, 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.040 know what was happening? And on the set of where 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:07.920 Eddie Redman saying. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:19.280 I create life. Yeah, I will harvest the planet tomorrow. 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:21.000 He's my favorite. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:25.800 Wait okay, so Summer, tell us about your relationship, your 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.400 history with this movie. 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.520 Who did this get on your plate? What happened? 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.920 Yeah? So I remember the trailers for this movie really clearly, 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:39.640 and I remember the sort of like internet discourse around 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.760 it when it was in theaters and like coming out 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.440 and just sort of like in the conversation, very much 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.719 maligned right away, and I was like, oh, look, dumb, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.320 I don't think I'm going to see that. But then 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.640 I read like I think it was like a tumbler 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.400 post that was like Jupiter Ascending is like if a 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:01.160 nine year old girl got all of her fantasies turned 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.679 into a film, and I was like, I gotta go 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.320 see that. It is kind of true because that's very 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.280 interesting to me. And so my friends and I worded 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:16.280 it and then we watched it in someone's house and 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.000 I loved it. I honestly don't remember if the people 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.120 I watched it with liked it. I think that they, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.920 like to this day, will humor me when I talk 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.400 about it. But it just became like a movie that 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.920 I would show people, like anytime I was making a 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.400 new friend, I would show them Jupiter Ascending because I 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:40.240 just I was so fascinated by it. Like I like 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.360 things that are bad. I like bad movies, I like 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:46.840 bad TV shows like I my taste in visual media 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.440 is like I think something that is like bad and 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:53.840 has weird contradictions and confusing, it's like more interesting. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:57.480 To me than yeah, good all we all have those. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.920 And it's like you, you, I don't know, you talk 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.280 about media that people overlook better than almost anyone in 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.120 the entire world, like truly. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:06.360 Thank you. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.160 So even though the first twenty minutes of Jupiter Ascending, 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:14.600 I'm like, what has she done? Yeah, I don't know. 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.240 It's a text. It's a text. 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.360 It's a text. And yeah, and so it just, yeah, 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.760 it just became a movie that I would show to people. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.920 It became like something that I really like telling people 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.640 about without them seeing it. Like after rewatching it for this, 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.440 I like sent a buddy a voice note about it, 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.520 and they were like, Jesus Christ, I thought it was 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.480 about something else, you know, like and I love that reaction. 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.880 It's so much fun. And yeah, for a long time, 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.560 I would say Jupiter Ascending is my favorite movie if 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.800 you asked me what my favorite movie was. But I 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:51.920 kind of had a real I don't know, reorienting on 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.040 my relationship with it because of the of my Lacunis. 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.640 Like I was a big that Seminy show head. But 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.000 she loves to raise money for the Israeli Army. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:04.960 He really does. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:06.520 She really died. 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.560 I did not know. I do know that she's good 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.559 friends with Natalie Portman, so this actually. 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.800 Tracks well, who almost got the role of Jupiter. So 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.160 it really was like xiety. Yes, it was almost Zionist 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.199 v Zionist for for Jupiter. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.520 Yeah, but she would have been so good at it. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:22.440 She certainly would have been better. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.920 Yeah, but I also loved, I loved I was a 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:30.280 big chanting Tatum person, and I still hold fondness for 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:36.200 him and Eddie Redmain really impressed me. But yeah, and like, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.559 I mean, I really liked the movie. Like this came 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.680 out when I was my senior year of high school, 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.720 and so like I kind of impact. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:44.280 Yes, I kind of just. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:49.800 Learned what a movie was, and so yeah, it has 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:54.400 shaped a lot of me and my life. Yeah, I 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.120 just I'm very happy to share it with the two 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.400 of you and see if we can figure it out. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.640 I'm I'm so excited we're going to We're going to 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.880 get to the bottom of this because we got this. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:11.559 I really love that, you know, to quote Wikipedia. Despite 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.280 praise for the visual effects, the narrative was criticized as 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:20.000 confusing and I and it's not untrue. But I also 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.920 did enjoy looking into because the Witch House kis. Even 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.720 though they are not like one hundred percent hit, you 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.800 can never accuse their work of being underthought. Yes, and 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.000 there it was interesting learning about like where they were 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.720 pulling from and the reference points, some of which I 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.119 was familiar. With some of which I weren't like. They're brilliant, 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:47.200 it just doesn't always translate to a successful movie. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:51.400 Sometimes there's the Matrix one, and then sometimes there's the 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.120 Matrix three, and they made both, and. 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:59.480 Somewhere in between is Jupiter Ascending. It is fascinating, it 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.640 is fast. I still haven't seen speed Racer. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.280 Nor have I, but I think I would like it. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.080 I've heard great things about it. It's very underrated, but 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.559 the people who ride for it ride for it hard, 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.360 So it's my It's on my watch list. 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:14.720 I think I would really like it. 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:19.320 Yeah, Jamie, what is your relationship with Jupiter Ascending? 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.960 I had never seen this? Of course I had never 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.000 seen this, but I and I also i'd only heard 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:31.720 of it via Summer. I don't this movie completely missed me. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.280 It's it is because I've never been a big sci 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.800 fi person, so it's not something that would have come 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:43.160 across my desk upon release. I will figure out the 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.320 second we finished recording what I was confusing this movie from. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:50.440 I was confusing it with a different mid twenty tens 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.160 sci fi box office flop, and I cannot remember what 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:54.680 it was. 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:58.000 Okay, I was confusing this with Valerian in the City 0:14:58.040 --> 0:14:59.080 of one Thousand Planets. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.480 Oh, I was I know what that is? 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.960 A sex criminal? Luke Bison. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.120 Is that the one Rihanna is in. 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:12.400 I just remember Rihanna being a battleship Oh okay, oh 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.840 and Ocean's eight. I was thinking about how she was 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.960 the hacker and Oceans eight recently there she was Smurfett, 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.600 not that anyone saw it. Do you remember when La 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.440 was covered in billboards that said Rihanna is Smurfett and 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.440 it was just like, what an awesome is that poetry? Summer? 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:29.720 Uh? 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.760 Yeah, I think so Rihanna is Smurfett. It felt like 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:33.240 it to be. 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.400 I don't remember that, but I do remember the Zendaea 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:39.360 is is Michi Michi? 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:41.920 Yes, that was big. 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.640 That was huge, culturally enormous. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.600 Sometimes you're like this person is this and you're like, wow, 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:52.160 no one cares, but it is interesting that it's everywhere. Yeah. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.800 I had not seen this movie either. I'm very much 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:01.280 a like sci fi action movie person for sure, but 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.680 I think I missed it in theaters because I knew 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:10.680 about the generally negative reviews, so I kind of passed 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:15.800 on it. But I had aside from having a very 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.640 difficult time following it the first time I watched it. Truly, 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.440 my like draft of the recap after my first watch 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:27.520 was and then they go somewhere, and why they go there, 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:31.560 I mean are clear to me, but they go there. 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.280 And then on the second watch I started to be 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:39.040 able to fill in the gaps. But yeah, it's definitely 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.160 you know, it has some exposition problems. I would say 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.200 that information is not delivered particularly clearly. There's also some 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.440 weird editing choices between scenes. 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:49.800 Well. 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.480 I also think that sometimes, like tonally, it's like we're 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.200 especially at the very beginning, Well we'll get into it, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.600 but like it feels like we are oscillating between a 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.200 raw that came out in two thousand and two and 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:08.639 the movie Jupiter Ascending is so wild watching me Lacunas 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.560 cleaning a toilet being like I hate my life. I'm like, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.080 is this a Garfield comic? Like what what is this? 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.880 But it's awesome. Yeah, I do think ultimately this is awesome. Yeah, 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:20.680 I think I agree. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.199 That's what's important. I think that it feels like a 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.160 movie where it's like maybe they thought they would never 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:26.920 make a movie ever. 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:32.440 Again, I'm like, I've looked for I haven't been able 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.120 to find a lot of I mean, it's only ten 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:38.320 years old, so I would be curious whenever the Wachowski's 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:42.879 released their retrospective, you know, like cumulative interviews, what was 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.159 going on, because most of what I've found is like, oh, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.920 our budget got cut, which I believe, but also their 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.160 budget was two hundred million dollars, and I'm like, surely 0:17:54.000 --> 0:18:00.040 surely four hundred million dollars wouldn't have fixed, isn't The 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.560 difference between Meila Kunis just being like, what is this? 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:08.000 Where am I and not? I don't know. 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.000 I don't know, we don't know. Let's take a quick 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:25.680 break and we'll come back for the recap. We're back. 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:30.680 We're as sending into the recap of Jupiter Ascending. We 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:37.080 start with backstory of the character Jupiter Jones played by 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:41.800 Mila Kunis. Backstory about how her parents met in Russia 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:47.040 and fell in love, how her astronomy professor father was 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:51.879 obsessed with the planet Jupiter, hence wanting to name their daughter. 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:58.040 That I will say, okay already, but like I was 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:01.040 waiting for the whole movie. This is the first scene 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:02.720 and the witch house kis I mean I was thinking 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.200 of the Matrix one, not to put them in a box, 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.719 but that's the big one. Sure, And I was thinking about, like, 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.680 what a strong introduction to the world that is. Oh yeah, 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:14.920 And so I went in thinking, Oh, this first scene 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.320 is going to be coming back in a big way. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.280 Throughout the movie, The Father, I will say, never comes 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:24.719 back except for an eBay telescope. Yeah that is. I 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.399 kept waiting to find out that Eddie Redmain was secretly 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.960 like there was that someone was secretly her father. It 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:33.840 seems like the kind of movie where that would happen. 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.800 But spoiler alert, he was just a weird guy with 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:43.840 a telescope. He died rubbing vasilin on his wife's pregnant stomach. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.240 And that's all that ever you're ever gonna need to 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.040 know about this guy. I kept waiting for him to 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:51.760 come back. He No, he's dead. 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:52.400 He's gone. 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:53.640 That's it. That's it for him. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:54.240 Yep. 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.040 Jupiter is barely relevant, you know, so awesome. 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.119 Yeah, movie that really realized on her being like, I 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.520 need to get back to my family. Boy, does she 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:08.040 seem indifferent to them? She does not seem to like 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:08.919 them very much. 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.920 Yeah, and I'm space and yeah, anyways, right. 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:15.200 But yeah, don't get attached to the father. Don't look 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.000 for him. He's not coming back. He's dead. 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.800 Planet name doesn't mean anything, Telescope doesn't mean anything. 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.200 Oh, I didn't even occur to you that Jupiter doesn't 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.439 really mean very much except like an astrology joke kind of. 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.080 Well, before I saw the movie, I thought that it 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.359 would take place on or near the planet Jupiter. But 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:40.199 it's truly just that that's her name, yeah, in it this. 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:44.639 R and speaking of I, it's so interesting somewhere that 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.000 you saw like the post saying that this is a 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.159 nine year old girl's dreams coming true. Because the first 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:55.359 like long extended stories I wrote were probably around the 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:57.760 time I was nine, and the name of my main 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:03.360 character was Neptune Star exactly. So this was happening. Yeah, 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:04.280 this was happening. 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:07.800 Yeah. I was obsessed with Saturn. I was writing little 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:13.480 personified like anthropomorphization stories about Saturn when I was nine, 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.040 Like this is this is true? 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.199 So maybe this is just like the Witch housekis they 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:22.480 were young gals once. Maybe they were like Jupiter Jones, 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:27.160 right you guys, and everyone's like yeah. 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:31.360 Yeah, okay, so her father he's a guy. 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.000 But don't get used to him because no, he's dead. 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.840 He's about to die because one night some like thugs 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:43.880 come into their home steal money and her father's prized telescope, 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:48.439 and then kill her father. So her mother flees to 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:52.160 the US and gives birth to Jupiter along the way 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.280 on a ship crossing the Atlantic, probably pretty much the 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:02.000 same journey that Titanic took, I'm guessing. Jupiter's aunt, Nino, 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:06.720 says that she's destined for great things, but Jupiter doesn't 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:09.960 believe her, because we cut to her as an adult. 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.320 She her mother and her aunt. 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:16.120 Works like the beginning of Maid in Manhattan. Yes, it's 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:17.960 so bizarre. 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:23.439 Yeah, because they work as house cleaners for rich people, 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.719 I think. And Jupiter hates her life, which she repeats, 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:28.680 she said several. 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:33.600 Times, almost to camera, like she almost goes to camera 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:35.680 and says, but she says it more than us. I 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:39.159 hate my life. And you're like, oh, right, Millicuna is 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:43.800 not very good at acting, but that's you know, live 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:47.159 laugh love. Oh that's so wild that. Yeah, she that 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:50.280 her co star in Black Swan was almost cast in this. 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.040 That didn't even occur to me until just now. Miliicunas 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.320 and Natalie Portman. We're in Black Swan together. Yeah, well 0:22:56.560 --> 0:23:00.440 they both suck, but Natalie Portman can an act. 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:01.240 Ye. 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:05.879 Well, I wonder if I mean, I think she didn't 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.320 do the movie because of like scheduling conflicts. But I'm like, 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:12.200 she was already a space queen queen Amidala. 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:14.240 Oh yeah, she had her shot. 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:18.600 Yeah, give another woman at we all get to be 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:19.359 space queen. 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:22.200 Yeah, let some other people try. 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.479 I guess it's still happening. Does I don't know what 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:28.320 Dune is. Does being a dune count as being a 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:30.600 space queen? Or is that is dune on Earth? 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:35.480 What is definitely is definitely space? 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:37.760 So zindea space queen. 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.040 You know, I don't think she's a queen. Oh okay, 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:42.959 she's space working class. 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:47.000 Oh yeah, someday I'm going to get the flu and 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:48.800 figure out what's going on with Dune. 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.720 Well, good luck with that, because it's really hard to follow. 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:54.920 I would say, maybe just as hard to follow as 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:59.879 they drink. They drink their pea, right, yes, I forget. 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:03.520 I mean that definitely happens in water World. I don't 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:07.040 remember if this movie has been compared to Oh Interesting 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:10.879 and One of the at the time reviews of Jupiter Ascending, 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:15.680 which I think was pretty unfair to Jupiter Ascending. 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:18.800 But they said every generation gets its own water World. 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:20.639 I'm like, I've never seen water World, so I'm not 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:21.399 sure what that means. 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:25.000 Oh, that's probably referencing how water World was a huge 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:29.680 budget movie that critics hated and was a box office flop. 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:33.080 Is water World the one at Universal Studios? 0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:37.440 Have you seen the show? The show is awesome, awesome. 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:39.879 I don't know what happens in water World, but that 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.320 show is. I followed all the stunt actors on Instagram. 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:45.680 I'm like, these people are geniuses. 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:50.520 They're so cool. Updated with Jupiter Ascending. 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:53.280 That would be great. And they're like, let's invest a 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:56.920 ton of money into a different movie that flopped and 0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:59.639 then people will maybe it will give a well needed 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.080 shot to the arm with Jupiter. I think it's a 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:06.919 Universal movie too, Warner Bros. 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:11.439 Okay, yeah, but there's I mean there's a Warner Brothers 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.280 property at Universal aka Harry Potter. 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:21.239 So oh yeah, well we ever know peace. So her 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:27.920 dad's dead and she she I hate my life me too, Wow, 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:29.840 my dad said, and I hate my life. That's why 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:32.240 she's relatable. 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:36.960 Yeah, okay. So then we cut to a far away 0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:42.920 planet in another solar system. There we meet the Abras 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:49.160 six siblings. This is Titus played by Douglas Booth, Khalik 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:54.440 played by Tuppence Middleton, and Balam Balem I forget how 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:56.880 to say his name played by Eddie Redmain. 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:03.560 We're like, I love these siblings because even though they're 0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:07.400 obviously all together, they're all acting like they're in separate rooms, 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:13.800 and I love that they have sub zero chemistry. It 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:15.000 is like awesome. 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:19.080 Yeah, they've never they've been siblings for tens of thousands 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:21.600 of years, but they somehow also never met before. 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:27.600 No is Yeah, they're just like, hey, so how are you. Oh, 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:34.119 our sister is ugly? Yes, anyways, goodbye. That's kind of 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:34.640 the whole thing. 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:40.680 So, these three siblings are members of a powerful intergalactic 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:46.840 empire that owns and controls a bunch of planets, including Earth, 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:53.520 which their late mother has left to Baalum in her will, 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:58.440 so keep that in mind. Then we meet Caine Wise 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:03.680 played by Channing Tatum. He's an alien who is on 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:09.160 Earth looking for someone named Catherine Dunlevy, although we don't 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:11.320 yet know why. And it takes a while to figure 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:11.760 it out. 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:13.000 It's Vanessa Kirbye. 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.919 Oh my god, that is who that is. I was like, 0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:20.600 she's familiar, but I don't know who she is, and 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.040 then I forgot to look it up. But you're so true. 0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:24.840 One of the many blonde women you meet that it's like, 0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:28.359 don't get attached to her, she'll be onnesome. But that's her. 0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:34.280 Yeah, huh okay, So Kin is looking for her. Balam 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:38.119 is also looking for her, and in this case we 0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:43.280 do know why because he wants her found and killed. 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:48.760 Then we reveal that Catherine Dunlevy is a friend of Jupiter's. 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:54.240 They are together when a group of like spindly little 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:58.200 evil aliens come in and attack them. 0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:02.600 And aliens that literally look like alien dot jpeg. Like 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:07.359 I do appreciate that, Like I don't know. As the movie, 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:10.000 as we get deeper into the movie, Eddie Redmain is 0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:17.639 mainly like scolding dinosaurs yea at his house and you 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.320 don't really understand why. But it's like the I don't 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:24.800 know again, You're like not to over expect things from 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.000 the wachousekis, but you're like, oh, that dinosaur looks like 0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:30.640 dinosaur dot jpeg. That alien looks like alien dot jpeg. 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.120 You don't really understand what they want or what they're 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:33.439 up to. 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.879 The dinosaurs are wearing leather jackets, so. 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.800 The dinosaurs are really cool and they are capable of 0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:46.280 experiencing shame yea, and so I'm interested, but like, yeah, 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.400 what's their whole deal? And we and we won't find out, 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:52.320 but it is fun to just every time Eddie Redmains 0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.479 sounding like dry SpongeBob scolding a dinosaur, and you're like, 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.880 how could you hate this performance? This is awesome. 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.680 Because each of those siblings, and it took me forever 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:05.600 to figure out like which minions worked for which siblings, 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:09.520 but they each have a group or at least one 0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:14.000 servant or minion. Eddie Redmain's character has a whole army 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:17.480 of people. He's got the like giant lizard dinosaur army. 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:21.840 He also has someone named mister Knight who is wearing 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:23.720 like a George Washington wig. 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.000 I don't know what's going on there, but I was like, yeah, 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:30.200 mister Knight, let's not do a second pass at that name. 0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:31.760 No. 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.520 Uh, then there's and I left most of these people 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:37.800 out of the recap because I'm like they don't matter, 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:43.640 but not to erase the woman who works for Titus 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.080 who has like enormous mouths ears. 0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:48.640 I yeah, she's my favorite. 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:53.560 She's pretty cool. I can't just like another, like we 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.400 couldn't do a second pass at that, and maybe that's 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:58.640 for the best. But they're like, Okay, what if this 0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:03.640 person were complete, completely normal looking otherwise, but just had 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:09.120 gigantic mouth ears. Yeah, it's awesome, it's cool. I love her. 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:14.280 Okay. So Jupiter and her friend Katherine are attacked by 0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:21.080 these aliens. They disappear, and then Catherine and Jupiter I 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.240 think they like passed out because they kind of like 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.280 come to and they don't seem to have any memory 0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:32.160 of what happened. Then we learn that Jupiter is planning 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:35.080 to sell her eggs. It seems like at the behest 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.400 of a cousin of hers cousin Vlattie. 0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:40.320 Oh I mistook for a boyfriend at first, I was 0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:41.920 not clear that he was her cousin. 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:43.120 It's unclear. 0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:46.800 And also because I just don't I can't imagine, I mean, 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.320 and maybe this is on me. I can't imagine being 0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:54.640 persuaded to sell my eggs in a like seventy five 0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:56.920 twenty five deal with my cousin. 0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:57.840 Your loser cousin. 0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:01.320 Yeah, I'm like, I would need to be like being 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:03.840 pretty severely gaslight for that to happen, And that's not 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.200 really a cousin's game. But I don't know. 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:07.440 It's confusing. 0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:09.840 Maybe my cousins aren't persuasive enough. 0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.640 Maybe, but she is willing to go through with it 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:18.200 because she wants money to buy a telescope, just like 0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:19.719 the one her father used to have. 0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:21.800 What is she going to do with it? Don't worry 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.440 about it. We don't know, because the ultimate thing is 0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:29.040 we don't know what Jupiter Jones wants out of her life. 0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:32.160 She has no goal, which is compelling and a protagonist. 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:43.400 Look, let aimless women be protagonists too. No, okay, you're right, right, 0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.320 you're right, Okay. So she goes to this clinic for 0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:52.080 the egg extraction using the name of her friend Catherine Dunlevy, 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:55.280 and we get to reveal that the doctors are actually 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:59.560 the same evil little aliens in disguise, and they're about 0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.280 to kill Jupiter because it turns out that it is 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.560 her who they actually want. They just thought they were 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:09.920 looking for Catherine Dunlevy because Jupiter was using her name, 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:13.600 which is a detail that might have been in the 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:15.880 first draft of the script, but they should have. 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.120 They should have just changed it. 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:20.280 To make way more clear. Yeah exactly, yeah. 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.880 But but good for you know, Vanessa Kirby got a 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:24.880 check and all she had to do is be basically 0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:26.720 naked for all of her screen time. 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:32.800 Yes, yes, okay. So then so she's about to be 0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:36.440 killed by these aliens, but then Cain comes in to 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:41.560 save her. We learned that he was hired by Titus 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:47.720 to find Jupiter and bring her to him for reasons 0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:54.160 that will eventually maybe become clear. And then Cain explains 0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:57.800 that he is an alien from another planet, but he's 0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:02.120 also this hybrid of like half human half wolf. 0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:04.719 And now this is like starting to be like, oh, 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:10.200 this is like kind of like porn, you know, like 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:13.040 this is kind of like a vertical series. This is 0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:16.760 kind of like you know, wait, I know I brought 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:21.120 this up before, Caitlin. I read some like wolf porn 0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:23.840 book once. And also if this is if this is 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.520 your shit, like truly, all power to you. It was 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:30.760 recommended to me. It was called like the Alpha's rejected 0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:31.959 mate or something. 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:34.640 Yes, you have brought this up I have brought up The. 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.720 Alpha's Rejected Mate. It's something that is Oh no, it's 0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.440 the Tyrant Alpha's Rejected Mate. That was my first and 0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:43.320 only wolf porn novel I've read. But I will say 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:46.360 it did make me feel things, but they were not 0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:48.720 things I wanted to feel, and so I had to stop. 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:49.560 Yeah, that's fair. 0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.160 But when Caine was introduced, I was like, oh, this 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:55.280 is a gateway for future readers of The Tyrant Alpha's 0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:59.080 Rejected Mate. Yeah, because they even go through this, Like 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:01.960 I do you feel like the witch Howskis have a 0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:07.240 knack for this, where famously The Matrix, an incredible movie, 0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:11.040 was like, really you know the red pill ideology that 0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:16.239 comes from the Matrix, Right, there are people who willfully 0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:18.480 misunderstand the work of the witch Howski's to the point 0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.400 where the witch Howskis have had to openly state this, 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:23.640 which has to be very frustrating. But I do feel 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.239 like they have a knack for like identifying these really 0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:30.240 potent ideas. And there is something about Cain that feels 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:35.040 very like Sigma Male, like before Sigma males were a thing, 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.560 whereas like I'm a lone wolf and it's not that 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:42.640 I couldn't have anyone I want. It's that I just 0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:46.759 don't need that I'm so awesome that I'm just I'm 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:49.759 behaving like an insult. But it's not that. It's a 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.640 secret third thing, and that's kind of what sigmas are, 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:54.640 and that's kind of what Caine is. I just the 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.640 wach Howskis really have a way with tap tap in 0:34:57.640 --> 0:34:58.040 that vein. 0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.680 I hadn't considered that fully. 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.960 But well, yeah, it's been a long day sitting with 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:07.920 this movie my friends, and I've reached a lot of 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:09.319 irrational conclusions. 0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:11.160 No, I love it. Keep them caring. 0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:14.759 You know, I was thinking about like Omega verse, like 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.960 Wolf totally stuff, which I don't I don't really know 0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:20.920 why I didn't think about it any of the other 0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:25.040 times I've watched this movie since, Like, you know, those 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.399 things have been on my mind in the entire ten 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.520 years since this movie has come out. But of course 0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:33.680 it's it's interesting because you know, he's like, I'm a dog, 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:37.799 but does he display any dog traits? I don't know. 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:38.960 I mean it's I. 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:42.680 Was like, well, summer, he has pointy ears and he wears. 0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.719 Island like like some dogs. Do you know? I just 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:49.240 also like it's not even a universal dog thing as 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.360 a as a proud mother to a cocker spaniel. That 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:56.040 is not our story. Yeah, I think if Channing Tatum 0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:58.839 had had those fly if you're a dog, be a dog, 0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:01.359 give me those floppy cars. Her spaniel ears. 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.719 Well, you know, there was like the goat woman ears 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:06.279 like yeah. 0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:06.200 I don't know. 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:08.520 There was a guy with a whole elephant face. 0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:11.640 Yeah, as far as we're going, if it's like monster 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:15.640 fucking adjacent bestiality, it's like it's kind of weak, like 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:20.680 there's not much happening here that feels taboo. Yeah, he's 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:21.399 kind of just a guy. 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:22.239 It's just a guy. 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.719 I do feel like ultimately, the closest I've gotten to 0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:29.520 my personal Omega verse is mister Tumnus. 0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:30.040 Yeah. 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:34.239 That is wow. That's that's like where I'm like, Okay, no, 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.040 I see the vision. I see the vision, and I 0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:39.520 would make it work if given the opportunity. 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.000 Well, you know, I was, I mean, this is this 0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:44.120 is the last shot of the movie, but it does connect. 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.680 But like you know, when she's like Jupiter's like up 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:49.640 in like she's like observing her city, you know, like 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.920 from from high up. I was thinking about the the 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:57.920 Jessica Alba series Dark Angel, which almost every episode of 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:00.560 that show ends with her like on the because it 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:02.880 takes place in like a dystopia seattle, like her on 0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:06.120 top of the space needle observing and like you know, 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:10.920 talking about when Dale'll find my family or whatever. And 0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:15.319 in that show, she's like a genetically modified human and 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:18.399 she's like spliced with K nine DNA, which makes her 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.439 go into heat and so she just like really needs 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.160 to fuck and that's like. 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.160 Say, she needs to bust her hump. 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:30.920 And then that's where like Omega Verse like is inspired 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.640 by because Jensen Ackles was in that show, and then 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:35.960 you know, you take it and then you make anyway, 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:37.600 we don't need to about those things. 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:40.640 I know we have to talk about Gensen Ackles. You're 0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:43.919 you're here somewhere, you're here, we have to talk about them. 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:45.799 But yeah, I was like, wow, Like he doesn't even 0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:46.520 go into heat. 0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:50.520 Like it feels like a really half hearted commitment to 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:55.680 the bit. It feels, yeah, humanoid, but give us full dog. Yeah, 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.960 give us those give us those big stinky floppy ears. 0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:05.160 Yeah. Okay, so Cain has more or less abducted her, 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.520 but she's like pretty fine with it, and they're about 0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:12.520 to leave to head to where Titus is I think, 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:14.319 but it's not really specified. 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:16.120 I never know really where they're going. 0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:17.960 I never know where they're headed to. 0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:21.960 But luckily Jupiter is constantly asking where they are, so 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.759 you do get the answer. But you're like, well, where 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:28.120 the hell is that? Like sometimes sometimes you look like 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.680 you're in another planet, and then Cain is like, no, 0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:35.239 we're still in Chicago, and you're like, really, okay. 0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:39.040 Oh yeah, yes, that does happen, and that's right here 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:41.480 in the story. They're about to leave Chicago, but then 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:48.040 the little bad long legged aliens start chasing them. Jupiter 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:52.719 and Caan eventually get away with the help of Cain's 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:59.520 gravity boots that allow him to roller blade around the sky. 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.440 Channing Tatum writing his journal every night. It sounds silly. 0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:05.959 I feel silly doing it, but I trust the butch 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.720 house Keys vision. I know it will end up looking cool. 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:14.719 Love Channing busting my hump over. 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:23.520 I'm sorry somewhere, I know you dearly love this movie. 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:26.480 No, it's great. No, I just I feel bad for 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:32.320 Channing Tatum. It's okay, he rallied, Yeah, he did like 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.879 Hail Caesar. The next year that it's true. I love 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.920 his little tap dance and that what a performance. 0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:42.280 This is also the same year as Magic Mike XXL 0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:43.640 kind of a wild room. 0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:48.600 Yeah he's fine, he's a shut up about busting his humps. 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:55.440 Oh come up, Yeah, okay, So they get away. Meanwhile, 0:39:56.200 --> 0:40:02.960 Balum gets word from his giant and winged dinosaur lizard 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:08.799 Minion that Caine intervened in the killing of Jupiter and 0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:12.520 he saved her. And Balam is acting like he knows 0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:16.840 Jupiter personally. He seems to think they go way back, 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:20.640 and we're like, hmm, what's that all about? Back on Earth, 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:25.680 Caine drives Jupiter to his friend's house, Stinger played by 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:29.080 Sean Bean, because they need his help. 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:30.359 I love Sean Bean. 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:34.360 He he's great and he plays exactly the character that 0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:38.200 he always plays in this movie. But they need his 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:46.640 help to do something unclear unclear. Maybe it's to get 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.760 to whatever planet Titus is on, but we're not sure. Anyway, 0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:52.120 they hang out of his house for a while where 0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:56.280 there are a bunch of bees which do not sting Jupiter, 0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.600 and it almost love this. 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:02.879 This is this is like when this sequence happens, you're like, oh, 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:05.760 this is camp. This is amazing, and this is also 0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:10.400 a nine year old's dream. Bees will not sting me 0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:14.080 because I am royalty, and like that is I mean, 0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:17.239 that is the fantasy, right. It's like that there is 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:21.319 something amazing about you that doesn't require that you know 0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:25.480 or do anything differently, and that there's just something inherently 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:29.720 special about you that is so undeniable that even bees 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:30.719 will not sting you. 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:33.640 This is what happens to Jupiter, and they kind of 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.480 start to figure out, like, wait a minute, is she royalty? 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:40.520 I also love that there is We do meet a character, 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:44.320 an other blonde woman in this scene. Oh I forget. 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:46.080 We do meet her by. 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.120 Name disappears immediately. 0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:51.640 It seems like she might be Caine's ex girlfriend. 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:53.320 No, no, no, no, no, it's Stinger's daughter. 0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:55.680 Yeah, what is daughter? 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.880 Oh my god? This is inscrutable. Okay. 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:03.800 She literally says like one thing while Kane and Singer 0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:06.399 are fighting, and then I don't I don't know where 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:06.920 she goes. 0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:10.080 She says, I'm gonna go out to get groceries, and 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:13.640 then she never to make dinner because women be making dinner. 0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:16.839 But then I think that they fuck off before she comes. 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:19.040 She comes back with no one to make dinner for 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.120 She's like, where's my dad? Literally, where's her dad? I 0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:25.960 didn't realize that was so. And that is the first 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:30.600 example of many where we technically pass the Backel test. 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:34.040 This one's hilarious, although you could argue because this character 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:38.160 disappears immediately that maybe it's not an important interaction, but 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:40.799 it is one of the Bechdel test passes. That is 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:46.319 just Jupiter saying hello, I am Jupiter, and the other 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:51.000 character says hello, I'm this character, and it's punctuated by 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:53.719 the fact that they are literally having this conversation in 0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:57.000 front of Sean Bean and Channing Tatum getting into a 0:42:57.120 --> 0:43:01.640 violent physical altercation as they're passing the Baxtel test uselessly 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:04.000 correct I liked it. 0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:09.360 Yeah, it was pretty sick. Okay. So then Stinger tells 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:15.920 Jupiter more about Cain and his checkered past, also about 0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:21.680 the history of Earth and how the abraxis a brassics 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:25.240 I don't know how to say it, dynasty that controls 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:30.560 Earth deliberately makes sure that the human population reaches an 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:35.320 unsustainable number so that the planet can be considered ripe 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:39.920 for harvest, whatever that means. But it's pretty obvious that 0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:46.440 it's not great. Then the evil aliens find them again, 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:51.279 as do a couple like human hybrid bounty hunters. There's 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:53.520 this big fight scene and a couple of the Bounty 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:58.120 Hunters capture Jupiter and fly her away on a spaceship. 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:04.000 Jupiter wakes up in the home of the sister callique 0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:04.839 A Brassis. 0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:07.759 By the way, this becomes a running joke in the 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:14.399 movie that Jupiter is regularly passing out and waking up 0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:17.479 somewhere again and has been changed into a different set 0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:21.560 of clothes yes, and doesn't remember it. This is presented 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:24.160 as an adorable joke, even though the love interest does 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:28.200 this at one point. Yeah, that people are while she's unconscious, 0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:33.160 either because of medicine or combat. She wakes up at 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.879 another place in a different outfit that and the joke 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:38.319 is usually that she just doesn't like the outfit, but 0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:40.640 the subtext of the joke is that she has been 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:49.280 stripped and redressed while unconscious, and you're like, Lily, Lana, 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:53.399 what is this joke? What is the joke? Come on, 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:55.719 you have final cut, no excuses. 0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:58.640 Yeah, yeah, it's not great. 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:01.759 Anyways, It's very like win Wigna not of like, well, 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.800 hopefully at this time I get to pick my outfit 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:07.040 and I'll be awake when I put it on, and 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:10.120 you're like, uh wild. 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:17.440 Yeah. Anyway, Jupiter meets Khalik, who tells her that Jupiter 0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:21.239 is what they call a recurrence, which is basically a 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:28.480 genetic reincarnation of the late mother of Calikue, Titus, and Balam, 0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:34.759 which means that Jupiter is essentially a queen slash like 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:37.200 kind of their mother, but kind of not. She's just 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:43.919 like a genetic replica recurrence of this late queen, who 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:48.440 Khalik mentions was ninety one thousand years old when she died, 0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:52.080 but she would have lived longer except that she was murdered. 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:54.000 But they don't know by whom. 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:56.640 I'm so confused about this. 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.960 Well there, yeah. 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:07.600 Okay, look, I guess it's like it's well, okay, there's 0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:11.840 so many elements of this movie that is like, okay, 0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:16.680 there is technology in this world beyond my wildest imagination, 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:20.920 So why can't they explain this to me? Because they 0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:23.200 the closest they get to be like, we know you're 0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:26.160 our mother, and we know your recurrence is like because 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:28.960 you kind of look like this statue and I'm like, 0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:32.359 we don't have better technology than you kind of look 0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:33.440 like this statue. 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:37.400 Okay, So like I thought it was that, Like I 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:39.520 don't know, maybe I'm extrapolating too much. 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:41.560 No, you know this movie far better than I do. 0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:43.640 I was just trying to figure out, like it's there 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:45.839 seems like a lot of guesswork for this very high 0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:46.640 tech universe. 0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:49.000 So like I thought it was because like when you're 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:52.200 I don't know, theoretically, when you're going to donate eggs, 0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:56.480 you give some sort of like DNA sample and perhaps 0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.920 on all of their planets they like are keeping trapped 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.359 of like all of the DNA records, and so she's 0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:07.400 like a genetic match of the mother when she like 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:11.840 went to the hospital and like registered under her. 0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:16.040 Friend's name, why they under Vanessa Kirby's identity for something. 0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:20.080 Yeah, And so they were like, oh, like ding, ding, 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:23.399 we found a match. Time to go to like this 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:27.960 medical specific medical record. But I don't know why, Like 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:30.640 has she never gone to the doctor before? Like I 0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:31.160 don't know. 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:33.840 Why, like a blood sample? 0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:36.719 Yeah, like why do they not? And I was sure, 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:40.200 and again I've seen this movie many times. How long 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:42.520 ago did the mother die? Was it. 0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:45.480 Did she just that's a really good question. 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:46.600 That's not clear. 0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:49.319 They're acting as if she did, but time is so 0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:50.839 fluid to them. 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.319 I'm like, maybe like she gets like reborn when the 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:59.440 mother dies, and like her DNA is like re recycled 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:01.560 on their holdings. 0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:05.760 I'm creating the rules of it felt very like I guess. Yeah. 0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:09.960 With the Abrassics group, it's like it seemed like so 0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:12.520 much was within their control, but then the things that 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:17.600 weren't within their control I didn't understand, Like, yeah, I 0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:20.359 don't know the other thing, and this is like more 0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:25.359 Bechtelcasti stuff, but that in this world where anything can 0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:27.960 be true, and like we're being encouraged by this story 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:30.920 to be like, the world is completely different if you 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:33.960 just look just beneath the surface, which is so much 0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:37.280 of what the Wachowskis are doing. Even in this world, 0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:44.839 the ultimate goal across millennia, across planets and galaxies is 0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:51.200 to be a young attractive woman. Yeah, and to not 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:55.319 appear old or age in any way. And it's just 0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:58.399 presented as a universal truth and as it just made 0:48:58.640 --> 0:48:59.720 kind of sad. 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:02.800 Yeah, I mean, I guess you could argue that that's 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:04.800 what the villains. 0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:08.480 Want I but I don't think that there's anything applied. 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:12.359 There's no pushback on that being a good thing from 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:15.400 our heroes. They're just sort of like, oh oh, weird, 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:19.239 got it. Well we're already young and hot, so anyways, 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:24.200 like I don't know, shrug, but uh, I liked any 0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:26.480 movie you guys, No, no. 0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:28.399 I know, I feel the same way. And I think, 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:32.000 like again, this watch especially, like I think maybe this 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:33.480 is the first time I've watched it with like a 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:37.319 fully grown brain. Okay, it was kind of like, al right, 0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:39.880 like this is what the great wishes, this is what 0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:45.080 it all is about. Presumably Mila kunis now like in 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.960 her inheritance as Queen, gets this power too, but she doesn't. 0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:51.879 She doesn't seem interested in using it. But she also 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:54.399 doesn't seem uninteresting. 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:59.520 Right, It's all so vague with her. It's like because 0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:02.840 again don't know what she wants. She's just sort of 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:06.800 here for the ride, like another one of the awesome 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:13.080 Jupiter moments where you're like, Jupiter is an iconic apathetic character. 0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:17.360 She is like on the Apathy Hall of Fame because 0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:20.640 even after she's been abducted, this is going back a 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:24.359 little bit by Cain and Sean Bean. She calls her 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:29.200 cousin on the phone and says nothing about what is 0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:32.160 going on. She's like, hey, sorry, something went wild at 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:35.640 the eggs situation and I'm busy now, and you're like, 0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:40.720 so to be told over an hour later, all Jupiter 0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:43.040 wants is to be with her family. I'm like, I 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:45.319 don't know. It seems like she was abducted and had 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:49.040 no interest in returning just for something to happen to her. 0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:51.600 I know that, Like, and this is all like pulled 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:54.399 into focus for me when I learned that the witch 0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:59.960 House Keys were pulling from Dorothy a lot for Jupiter 0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:03.279 character and pulling from the Wizard of Oz. Yeah, but 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:05.600 it hasn't quite come together. 0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:09.960 But I mean, compare it to again The Matrix, one 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:13.799 of the finest films ever made. I think they're both 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:18.439 chosen One narratives in the sense that it's someone who 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:23.400 is an ordinary person who is actually special and destined 0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:27.280 for great things, and they discover this along the way 0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:30.319 and have to decide what to do with all of 0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:35.400 that information. And for Neo, he's actively seeking out answers. 0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.200 He's actively trying to figure out, like what is the 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:41.240 matrix and do I want to be a part of 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:46.680 the resistance against it? And then with Jupiter, she's just 0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:49.280 sort of like, oh. 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:49.759 We kids. 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:53.680 What's so interesting about her is that she's like from 0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:55.799 a working class immigrant family. 0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.879 And undocumented too specializes that she's undocumented. 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:00.840 Yeah, that was that was That was one of the 0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:03.120 things that like on this watch, I was like, this 0:52:03.280 --> 0:52:07.400 is like refugee imagery of like in the like bottom 0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:10.080 of like the cellar of a boat, the harsh journey 0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:13.520 across the waters, like that's they're very much pulling from 0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:17.879 that kind of iconography, and I feel this kind of like, well, 0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:22.680 my family is everything is like the like tagline for 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:28.000 like immigrant family stories, but there's no like grounding or 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:30.279 anything to hold on to with that. She's not a 0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:35.040 fully fledged character grounded in that kind of reality or 0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:38.880 family structure or family dynamic or tie at all, which 0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:42.120 I think is very funny. I don't know, it makes 0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:43.880 it makes it feel like her family is in a 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:47.200 completely different movie, and when they are pulled in to 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:51.000 the narrative, it's like what is going on? But yeah, 0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:55.120 it's so interesting. It's like, what do you mean she's undocumented? 0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:57.759 What do you mean that's the story that's being. 0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:01.040 Told, right, Say more, save more, say more. 0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:03.200 And like, how does it connect to like realizing that 0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:07.759 you are the reincarnation of like the ultimate colonizer, Like 0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:09.000 that's crazy, right. 0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:13.359 And that she doesn't seem to have any opinions on that. 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:16.880 We're I mean, this is fastwording to the literal end 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:18.799 of the movie. But I was like, yeah, kind of 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:22.480 agg one might say that. At the end, she's like 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:26.640 talking with Caine and he's like, so you own the 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.360 world and she has no. I mean, it would have 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:32.000 been like easy, to the point of like bad writing, 0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:34.359 to be like, well, I don't think anyone should own 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:37.480 the world. You can't really own the world. But she 0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:39.759 was like, yeah, I do own the world, and I'm 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:43.080 still trying to figure out what that means. And you're like, yeah, 0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:45.719 I guess I am too. Jupiter, are you and me both. 0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:49.160 Like I think? Especially it's interesting that the way that 0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:55.160 her father dies is also so like anti climactic. Is 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:57.680 just like some random people we don't I don't know, 0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:00.160 I don't know if I would like want this of 0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:03.040 my Jupiter ascending, but it's like, what what is what 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:06.120 is the what's their situation? In Russia. What are the vibes? 0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:09.040 Like what when is when? 0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:14.160 Like what is there? Like what is their context? And 0:54:14.640 --> 0:54:18.880 I think that that's such an there's no like political 0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:22.319 socio political grounding for any of their movements, of their 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:26.480 migration of anything. And so when you have this overarching 0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:29.160 theme or like kind of like motif of the film 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:34.000 is essentially about like colonization and like annihilatory violence and 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:38.400 harvesting of resources, it's just kind of like what an 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:40.839 interesting character to put at the heart of it, who 0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:45.600 also like does nothing at the end. I I you know, 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:49.359 earlier in the movie she says something like yeah, like 0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.920 no one should own the world or something like that, right, right, 0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:54.440 And so if that came back, that would be interesting. 0:54:54.800 --> 0:54:58.280 But she owns the world. Yeah, She's like this is weird. 0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:02.000 But she's also not tuned into any of society's ills either. 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:06.120 She's not like, oh, like the oppression of the working class. 0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.600 You know, she's just like I hate my life, you know, 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:11.200 Like what was she You know, it's just so funny. 0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:14.319 I don't know, like that there's such a nothingness to 0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:16.919 it where there are so many points where it's like, well, 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:20.440 it could have been like a weird, heavy handed, cheesy, 0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:23.840 sort of like liberal posturing, but it's not. 0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:28.000 It's really interesting, yeah, because it's like I have to 0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:31.799 imagine there were drafts of this where her family was 0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:36.680 more meaningfully included, because the specifics are too specific to 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:40.680 have never meant anything, right, like yeah, but then her 0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:46.840 family kind of becomes cartoon characters and in the final product, 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:49.680 I just am like, I wonder who is at the 0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:52.160 charge of that, because you know, the Wachowskis have quite 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:55.360 a bit of like influence over the final product, but 0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:57.840 also they still get studio notes and all that stuff, 0:55:57.840 --> 0:55:59.799 Like I just I'd be so curious. I don't know. 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:03.239 Well, the other thing about it is that with other 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:08.200 Chosen One hero's journey type narratives, there are many where 0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:11.120 there's a call to adventure in the sense that like 0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:15.120 it falls in their lap and they unlike Neo, where 0:56:15.160 --> 0:56:19.359 like they're not actively searching for answers, something comes to 0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:21.040 them and falls in their lap and then they have 0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:22.839 to decide what to do about it. But a lot 0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:27.800 of those stories, whatever it is, ends up like radicalizing 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:32.040 them to realize. Oh, like Luke Skywalker, let's take that example, 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:35.560 things fall in his lap. He decides to go and 0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:39.120 join the resistance. He doesn't really know a whole lot 0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:42.200 of what that specifically means at first, but then he's like, 0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:46.240 oh yeah, I hate the Empire, I hate Darth Vader, 0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:48.200 Like this experience has radicalized me. 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:52.000 And this movie was said to be heavily influenced by 0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:56.759 Star Wars, enough that Sean Bean has said that his 0:56:57.000 --> 0:57:01.640 character that Stinger a ped his half human half honey 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:06.960 bee character he plays pie Hans. It says Stinger a Penie. 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:09.440 I don't know if they ever say his last name 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:13.320 about Loud. I'm just looking at Wikipedia. Stinger a Penie 0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:16.480 Comma a Han solo type character. 0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:20.040 I will say it is way more of a Han 0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:20.960 solo type. 0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:24.400 I was not getting Han solo from Stinger a Penie. 0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:30.120 But I just, you know, dare to dream mean, yeah. 0:57:29.960 --> 0:57:37.080 I would say that about myself, you know, sure, like you. 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:38.160 Know exactly, Yeah, I'm a Han solo. 0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:42.560 Anything is a Han solo type. Half honey bee is 0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:44.280 just like it's just so funny. 0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:47.720 Wait, okay, sorry, back up a second. He yes, he's 0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:50.200 a honeybee hybrid. Is that why he has all the bees? 0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:52.560 Yeah? So he's a bee? 0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:56.480 Yeah, you know how a dog while Sean Bee is 0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:59.640 half bee and there's no yeah, does he just look 0:57:59.760 --> 0:58:03.600 like a man? Well, yeah, looks like a man, but 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:05.640 let's not worry about it. Also, going back to the 0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:08.440 Wizard of Oz, stuff like just I don't know, this 0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:12.400 movie is so chaotic. There are quotes about this that 0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:16.320 I was like, what the hell, Maybe I'm being too 0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:21.440 close minded. This is a quote about because the Wochowskis 0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:25.080 have repeatedly said this is influenced by the Odyssey, the 0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:28.720 Wizard of Oz, and Star Wars, the big influences. You 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:32.880 can definitely feel those often in conflict with each other. Right, 0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:38.960 But this is a quote from Lana Wachowski comparing Cain 0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:41.920 to a character from the Wizard of Oz. She says, 0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:43.880 we were like, can we bring a different kind of 0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:47.840 female character like Dorothy or Alice, characters who negotiate conflict 0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:52.560 and complex situations with intelligence and empathy. Yes, Dorothy has 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:56.320 a protector, Toto, who's always barking at everyone, and that 0:58:56.720 --> 0:59:02.919 was the origin of Cain. This movie asks what if 0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:09.680 Dorothy and Toto were fucking like it's so weird, Like too, 0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:13.920 I love the Waitchousekis. I'm like, why would you say that, 0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:16.720 why would you say what if Dorothy was fucking Toto? 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:19.080 And that's kind of the whole idea. 0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:22.080 And then okay, so that's we're already getting into the discussion. 0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:26.560 But yeah, there's just so much to unpack. I think 0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:32.360 the reason Jupiter's character doesn't end up being radicalized by 0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:39.080 her learning about this very large scale colonial capitalist genocidal 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:43.360 project is she you know, at the end she does 0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:46.480 say like, no, I'm not gonna let you do this, 0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:49.920 but through most of the movie she's not really asking 0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:53.840 the right question. She doesn't seem curious about what's going on. 0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:56.560 She's just sort of like you might even say, she 0:59:56.720 --> 0:59:58.880 put on some gravity boots and is just sort of 0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:00.800 coasting along and. 1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:04.160 Maarda, she's on dial up internet. 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:07.880 Yes, And it's because I think the main arc that 1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:11.320 seems to be written for her character, rather than any 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:15.160 sort of like political ideological shift or anything like that. 1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:19.200 It's like hetero romance where in the very beginning there's 1:00:19.240 --> 1:00:25.320 like mention in her voiceover of something about not finding love, 1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:28.600 and then she's talking to her friend Catherine and she's like, well, 1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:32.200 my mom always told me that fairy tales were ridiculous, 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:34.720 and the love isn't I don't know if it's real. 1:00:35.160 --> 1:00:37.560 And then when she's talking to Kine in various situations, 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:40.240 she's like, I always seem to go after the wrong 1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:43.600 man who doesn't love me back. So everything everything that 1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:44.760 revolves around her arc. 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:48.040 Which we have no context for, like we don't know that. 1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:51.080 And you're also like, yeah, Meili Kunnas, I'm sure you're 1:00:51.080 --> 1:00:54.480 getting turned down right and left. But like, but it is. 1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:58.000 It is interesting again where I have to feel like 1:00:58.320 --> 1:01:01.280 her mom because this move he wants to be about 1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:04.800 mothers a lot. And so it also does feel weird 1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:10.520 that Jupiter's mother is so estranged from the movie because 1:01:10.560 --> 1:01:14.520 at the end, again because her family is kind of 1:01:14.560 --> 1:01:17.440 operating in a totally different movie than the rest of 1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:20.920 the movie, especially her cousin's Flattie, Oh my god, her 1:01:20.960 --> 1:01:24.160 cousin's Flatty is in like a fairly Brothers movie. He's 1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:29.480 like somewhere else, He's like in nineteen ninety nine. But 1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:32.800 like you're saying, like all of the groundwork is laid 1:01:32.920 --> 1:01:35.160 for them to be actively engaged with the story. So 1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:38.120 I'm wondering if, like when and if that was severed. 1:01:38.440 --> 1:01:41.760 But the end, her her mother is just like, oh, 1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:46.360 by the way, I'm over your father's death and like 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:50.040 you should have a telescope. Sorry, and you're like surely. 1:01:50.160 --> 1:01:52.160 At one point, this was more of an arc between 1:01:52.280 --> 1:01:54.760 Jupiter and her mother, because it feels like it's like 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:59.400 even the opening sequence establishes some tension between them, but 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:01.000 then she just kind of disappears. 1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:02.480 Yeah for sure. 1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:03.720 Anyways, I like it. 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:08.680 Yeah, best movie ever? Yeah, what happens next? King? 1:02:09.720 --> 1:02:13.000 I would love to tell you. Okay, so Jupiter is 1:02:13.000 --> 1:02:17.360 with Colique Khaliku is trying to buddy up to our 1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:18.320 friend Jupiter. 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:19.920 It what strokes her face? 1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:27.320 Oh yeah, it's intimate awesome. Colique explains that to her people, 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:32.560 time is the most valuable resource and that she and 1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:35.320 her family can live for so long because they use 1:02:35.440 --> 1:02:40.200 this advanced technology that they've created to replace their dying 1:02:40.320 --> 1:02:44.480 cells with new ones. But where do they get the 1:02:44.520 --> 1:02:49.440 new cells? I wonder if we'll find out? And then 1:02:49.480 --> 1:02:53.480 we see Colique go through this like rejuvenation process where 1:02:53.520 --> 1:02:56.640 she takes a dip in a pool and comes out 1:02:57.240 --> 1:03:03.280 looking much younger. She has washed all the oldness off. 1:03:03.680 --> 1:03:07.840 Right, because looking young is the ultimate goal of not 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:13.200 just humanity, of all living beings throughout time is looking 1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:14.920 hot in twenty fifteen. 1:03:16.080 --> 1:03:20.240 Yeah, and then Khalik is like, by the way, my 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:24.640 mother wrote in her will that any recurrence of hers, 1:03:24.720 --> 1:03:28.640 which again is what Jupiter is, will inherit the Earth. 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:34.960 So technically Jupiter owns like is the rightful heir to Earth, 1:03:35.720 --> 1:03:38.680 even though it was Ballam who was originally supposed to 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:41.479 inherit the Earth, and that's why he wants Jupiter dead 1:03:41.840 --> 1:03:45.880 so that he can keep Earth. And we're not really 1:03:45.880 --> 1:03:48.280 sure how Jupiter processes this, but. 1:03:48.800 --> 1:03:51.680 There's a lot of cliffhangers with Jupiter about to form 1:03:51.720 --> 1:03:52.280 an opinion. 1:03:54.080 --> 1:03:56.920 But the important thing is that she thinks Kalek is 1:03:57.280 --> 1:04:00.360 kind of nice and on her side. But then Kane 1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:02.480 shows up to be like, m I'm not too sure 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:08.520 about that. That's probably not true. Then Jupiter is like, yeah, 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:13.520 so she'll be kiss and she's suddenly very horny for him, 1:04:13.840 --> 1:04:15.200 but he rejects her. 1:04:15.920 --> 1:04:20.400 She's the Tyra Dolpha was rejected mate. One might say, yeah, 1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:23.880 I really, I mean yeah truly to fans of that book. 1:04:24.040 --> 1:04:27.720 I literally got horny and had to stop because I 1:04:27.760 --> 1:04:30.080 was like, I don't want to know. I don't want it. 1:04:30.200 --> 1:04:32.560 Sometimes you just I don't want to uncover that part 1:04:32.560 --> 1:04:33.760 of yourself. 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:36.160 Such as you're like, if I'm into this, I really cannot. 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:38.360 I'm I've got a lot going on right now. 1:04:38.360 --> 1:04:40.840 I can't know this is this when she says I 1:04:40.880 --> 1:04:44.919 love dogs. I've always loved dogs, and then yes, yeah, 1:04:45.040 --> 1:04:49.160 okay yeah, and then her like she like her strange, 1:04:49.880 --> 1:04:52.680 like to herself like I love dogs, like kind of 1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:55.800 realizing something, and it's like, I don't know, I don't 1:04:55.840 --> 1:04:57.400 know what emotion you're expressing. 1:04:58.160 --> 1:05:00.640 I feel I do feel like there is an actor 1:05:00.760 --> 1:05:04.440 that could have sold that line. It just Mila Kunas 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:05.480 is not that actor. 1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:06.640 Natalie Portland. 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:10.720 Let's see it, Natalie Portman. Maybe could I love dogs? 1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:10.840 Like? 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:13.600 You know, like there there is someone who or or 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:16.600 even a Jennifer Lawrence type could have made it funny, 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:17.400 you know, like. 1:05:17.640 --> 1:05:19.920 Yeah, well, I think I think the way you're supposed 1:05:19.920 --> 1:05:24.040 to read this is her repeating the ridiculous line she 1:05:24.120 --> 1:05:27.160 just said to herself, as if to say, like, you idiot, 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:31.120 what did you say? I love dogs? But that's not 1:05:31.240 --> 1:05:33.280 quite how Mila Kunaz delivers it. 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:36.360 So she just sort of says I love dogs again. Yeah, 1:05:36.680 --> 1:05:39.880 she says, must love dogs and I love dogs. The 1:05:39.920 --> 1:05:41.360 Wes Anderson movie. 1:05:42.280 --> 1:05:43.680 Wow makes you think. 1:05:44.320 --> 1:05:46.600 I'm thinking, I've never seen that movie, but I love 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:49.240 that it is just I love dogs. 1:05:49.280 --> 1:05:53.040 I think it's also twenty fifteen maybe, oh wow, it 1:05:53.120 --> 1:05:54.080 might be twenty fourteen. 1:05:54.680 --> 1:06:00.200 Huge years either, huge year for movies. I didn't watch. 1:06:00.400 --> 1:06:03.040 Okay, So Jupiter owns Earth. 1:06:04.240 --> 1:06:05.959 She's working it out. 1:06:06.880 --> 1:06:13.960 Yes, a cyborg named Bob starts on the paperwork that's 1:06:14.000 --> 1:06:19.320 required so that Jupiter can access the title to Earth 1:06:19.440 --> 1:06:21.520 the way that you like, you know, have a title 1:06:21.560 --> 1:06:23.720 to a car or a deed to the house. 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:26.120 She's trying to write it down. If this came out today, 1:06:26.400 --> 1:06:29.200 this part would be played by John Early, because this 1:06:29.360 --> 1:06:32.240 actor is strongly channeling John Early. 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:37.400 Oh true. Okay, so Bob is helping her. There's a 1:06:37.480 --> 1:06:41.760 ton of bureaucratic red tape, but she finally gets the 1:06:41.840 --> 1:06:48.160 title to Earth and now she owns the planet. This 1:06:48.240 --> 1:06:51.800 makes her even hornier because once again Jupiter lays it 1:06:51.840 --> 1:06:55.320 on real thick on Cain. She wants to smooth him 1:06:55.680 --> 1:06:56.520 so bad. 1:06:56.800 --> 1:06:59.400 And she likes to be called queen. And this is 1:06:59.440 --> 1:07:03.280 like a wish filment thing. But I'm begging Jupiter to 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:05.520 think more critically about what's happening. 1:07:06.720 --> 1:07:09.760 He says, like your majesty and she's like, oh. 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:13.160 Say it again, and you're like, okay, Jupiter, but what 1:07:13.160 --> 1:07:15.600 are you going to do with the deed to Earth? 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:20.920 Yeah? But she's too horny for that, and it seems 1:07:20.960 --> 1:07:25.440 like Caine might be kind of reciprocating these feelings, but 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:31.600 the moment is ruined when twist Stinger betrays them and 1:07:31.600 --> 1:07:35.440 we're like, oh, a Sean Bean character turning on someone 1:07:35.520 --> 1:07:38.280 and betraying them and being a bad guy the whole time. 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:41.960 I would have never thought, just kidding, this is the 1:07:42.040 --> 1:07:43.520 character he plays every time. 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:46.840 But unlike every other time, it doesn't have too much 1:07:46.840 --> 1:07:48.880 of an effect on the plot because later Kine just 1:07:48.920 --> 1:07:51.720 comes back and he's like, oh, well right, your daughter, 1:07:51.880 --> 1:07:52.520 so whatever. 1:07:53.160 --> 1:07:53.400 Yeah. 1:07:53.440 --> 1:07:55.760 I liked it. That felt like the twist on the 1:07:55.760 --> 1:07:59.040 Sean Being character is that he betrayed him and guess what, 1:07:59.160 --> 1:08:00.000 it doesn't affect them. 1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:03.280 That way, and actually he's he is a good guy. 1:08:03.600 --> 1:08:07.600 He just betrayed them for reasons, but now he's good again. 1:08:07.640 --> 1:08:10.040 I thought Caine was real for that. I was like, yeah, 1:08:10.080 --> 1:08:12.440 you know what, life is hard, and you know we're 1:08:12.480 --> 1:08:16.800 putting compromising positions and yeah, let's just keep things moving. 1:08:17.560 --> 1:08:22.000 True. Compare it to his character in, for example, National Treasure, 1:08:22.360 --> 1:08:26.600 when he betrays Nicholas Cage's character whose name is Benjamin 1:08:26.920 --> 1:08:27.760 Franklin or. 1:08:27.680 --> 1:08:33.360 Something, Benjamin Franklin Gates Gates. Sorry, I hate that I 1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:35.000 had that ready, that. 1:08:35.120 --> 1:08:41.479 Locked and loaded. Anyway, he betrays Benjamin Franklin Gates and 1:08:41.520 --> 1:08:43.519 then is a bad guy the whole time, the whole 1:08:43.520 --> 1:08:44.320 rest of the movie. 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:47.000 So yeah, he's only a bad guy for half of 1:08:47.040 --> 1:08:49.160 the time, much like he is only half of a 1:08:49.200 --> 1:09:01.000 honey bee. Yeah, which like truly which half? I just 1:09:01.280 --> 1:09:04.360 And it's also like if you're casting a part and 1:09:04.439 --> 1:09:06.680 I love Sean Bean, but I don't look at him 1:09:06.720 --> 1:09:10.800 and I'm like, oh right, he's so b like like 1:09:10.880 --> 1:09:12.840 you know, like you would think of maybe casting a 1:09:12.960 --> 1:09:15.880 type that you're like, oh, like a uh, I don't know. 1:09:15.880 --> 1:09:21.439 I don't think of bees as like muscular and gruff. Yeah, 1:09:21.439 --> 1:09:22.519 I know. 1:09:22.760 --> 1:09:27.760 Wait, okay, was were his parents Renezel Wigger's character from 1:09:27.880 --> 1:09:30.679 B Movie and the Bee from B Movie? 1:09:31.520 --> 1:09:36.080 No, I really can't Sean Bean Sean Bean. Maybe they're 1:09:36.160 --> 1:09:40.720 thinking Sean Bee much like Larry B. King from B 1:09:40.880 --> 1:09:42.240 Movie or. 1:09:42.960 --> 1:09:46.120 Larry Bealy Is that anything like Larry geely. 1:09:46.000 --> 1:09:52.120 Be and who is that joke for? But it's for me, 1:09:53.800 --> 1:09:57.280 thank you so much. Okay, the thread I won't wish, 1:09:57.600 --> 1:10:00.360 I wouldn't wish Sean Bean being the spawn of Jerry 1:10:00.400 --> 1:10:05.760 seinfeldt like there's I want better for him, but but 1:10:05.760 --> 1:10:10.320 but some are the question stands he's half be where exactly? 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:16.160 And it's also like surprising that he's able to betray 1:10:16.520 --> 1:10:21.040 the queen when he is part B. You'd think that, 1:10:21.280 --> 1:10:21.679 Oh my. 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:23.480 God, yes, and he would sooner. 1:10:23.280 --> 1:10:25.000 Die wouldn't allow him? 1:10:25.160 --> 1:10:27.800 Oh my god. They didn't even think of that. It's 1:10:27.920 --> 1:10:31.080 just like, I mean, okay, so technically Jupiter Ascending is 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:33.920 giving the same deference to Bees that B movie is 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:38.200 because B movie makes bees a patriarchy. Still yeah, wow, 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:40.479 yeah he shouldn't. Okay, first of all, he I thought you. 1:10:40.720 --> 1:10:43.439 I thought you were getting at something far sillier, which 1:10:43.479 --> 1:10:45.240 is that if he's half B, he should be able 1:10:45.280 --> 1:10:48.320 to get between those bars. 1:10:48.640 --> 1:10:53.280 Oh yeah, you know like shape shift and I. 1:10:53.200 --> 1:10:56.519 Do love that, Like, yeah, well is it? I can't 1:10:56.560 --> 1:10:59.599 even remember. This movie is blurred in my head, Like 1:11:00.400 --> 1:11:02.400 I know that it's a big deal for Caine to 1:11:02.400 --> 1:11:05.080 get his wings back, which is not something I associate 1:11:05.120 --> 1:11:08.960 with wolves or dogs. But sure, yeah, so shouldn't Sean 1:11:09.040 --> 1:11:10.840 Bean be trying to get his wings back? 1:11:11.000 --> 1:11:11.160 Is he? 1:11:11.240 --> 1:11:11.479 Also? 1:11:12.920 --> 1:11:15.599 I was thinking that his bee too, Like he's trying 1:11:15.600 --> 1:11:17.799 to get back bee wings, not angel wings. 1:11:18.120 --> 1:11:20.400 I guess why don't we get to see him with 1:11:20.520 --> 1:11:22.519 bee wings the little ones? 1:11:23.040 --> 1:11:23.320 Yeah? 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:25.639 Yeah, there should have been like a post credits scene 1:11:25.880 --> 1:11:28.400 where he's buzzing around in his little bee wings. 1:11:28.600 --> 1:11:32.439 Yeah that is so oh my god, wait, I cannot stop, 1:11:32.760 --> 1:11:36.200 Like Summer, he should not be able to betray the queen. 1:11:36.280 --> 1:11:40.680 That's like that should be his whole thing. Yeah, that's infuriating. 1:11:41.439 --> 1:11:44.559 Why didn't they think of that? Why go? Why go 1:11:44.640 --> 1:11:47.719 out of the way to make Jupiter queen? If if 1:11:47.760 --> 1:11:50.280 the only bee in the story is going to betray 1:11:50.360 --> 1:11:52.759 her with no consequence. 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:54.839 It's like, I don't know, how is he the outside 1:11:54.880 --> 1:11:59.000 of the name stinger? I don't know, singer? 1:11:59.560 --> 1:12:01.320 Yeah, oh yeah, I mean we. 1:12:01.280 --> 1:12:04.200 Can talk about this later. But I am interested in 1:12:05.120 --> 1:12:07.759 Cain as a name. But that's that's for after. 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:11.800 That's for after Cain K nine K nine that I 1:12:11.960 --> 1:12:14.640 was thinking, Okay, but the biblical. 1:12:14.240 --> 1:12:19.400 Cane also a peenie I just learned is just like 1:12:19.439 --> 1:12:22.160 a Latin word for b. So his name is stinger 1:12:22.200 --> 1:12:27.640 b yes, and Okay, yet he is just a tattooed 1:12:28.200 --> 1:12:28.920 man man. 1:12:30.000 --> 1:12:33.160 Yeah, at least the at least they put Channing Tatum 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:38.559 in again pointy ears. He's wearing eyeliner because dogs famously 1:12:38.600 --> 1:12:41.800 wear eyeliner, and he I think he does have kind 1:12:41.840 --> 1:12:44.759 of sharper more pronounced can nine teeth. 1:12:45.120 --> 1:12:47.800 The bleached brows are something. 1:12:48.560 --> 1:12:51.320 Which is like all things I associate with dogs. 1:12:52.000 --> 1:12:56.040 They're just trying to make Channing Tatum look fucky in 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:58.880 a way we haven't seen him before. Yeah, I think 1:12:58.960 --> 1:13:01.639 kind of and that and that's good to be clear, 1:13:01.680 --> 1:13:06.040 that's good, just like Eddie Redmain sort of looks kardashian 1:13:06.240 --> 1:13:09.920 esque in a way that I was like, is this? 1:13:10.960 --> 1:13:14.400 What is this? What am I looking at? Why isn't 1:13:14.400 --> 1:13:15.679 he opening his mouth? 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:20.759 His long neck, the longest neck that's ever been seen? 1:13:22.720 --> 1:13:26.120 How dare they give him a razzie? I just I 1:13:26.200 --> 1:13:30.439 guarantee that this is a more interesting performance than both 1:13:30.479 --> 1:13:32.000 of his Oscar performances. 1:13:32.320 --> 1:13:36.040 Yeah, I agree. I saw a theory of everything, and 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:39.400 I saw Jupiter sending and let me tell you when 1:13:39.479 --> 1:13:40.240 do I remember? 1:13:41.840 --> 1:13:44.360 And what are we talking about? In the Bechdel theory 1:13:44.400 --> 1:13:46.920 and everything tell you that much. 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:51.080 That's the most culturally relevant exact the oscars don't matter. 1:13:51.080 --> 1:13:53.080 Who has stood the test of time? 1:13:54.160 --> 1:13:58.520 And what's Stephen Hawking not named in the Epstein files here? 1:14:00.560 --> 1:14:09.599 And you know who wasn't. 1:14:08.600 --> 1:14:09.200 Makes you think? 1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:10.120 Makes you think? 1:14:10.320 --> 1:14:17.800 Okay, back to the story. Okay, Stinger has just betrayed them. 1:14:18.080 --> 1:14:23.640 Jupiter is detained and brought to Titus, the youngest of 1:14:23.680 --> 1:14:30.280 the three siblings, and she's like, you're violating space code 1:14:30.520 --> 1:14:32.920 and you have to bring me back to Earth and 1:14:32.960 --> 1:14:36.120 he's like, okay, fair, but first you must dine with me, 1:14:37.360 --> 1:14:43.360 and he puts her in a patent leather catwoman style dress. 1:14:43.439 --> 1:14:47.280 Yeah really like it reminded me of in the recent 1:14:48.280 --> 1:14:53.360 Weathering Heights adaptation, which but when like Margaret Robbie all 1:14:53.360 --> 1:14:56.760 of a sudden randomly looks like Kula Deville and you're like, 1:14:57.640 --> 1:15:01.200 what like it is? It's an interesting outfit, But it's 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:04.520 so like the tone of this movie is so inconsistent 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:07.200 because Mila Kunis is still playing like I'm just a 1:15:07.240 --> 1:15:10.719 regular girl. So she's like, this dress isn't really my style? 1:15:10.840 --> 1:15:15.040 I'm like, dude, or don't Jupiter? Come on? It's a 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:16.400 weird dress though, And. 1:15:16.400 --> 1:15:21.160 Even more bizarre is that Titus is like Hubba hubba, 1:15:21.240 --> 1:15:24.840 even though it's been established that Jupiter looks exactly like 1:15:25.280 --> 1:15:32.240 his mother. So he wants to fuck his mom question. 1:15:32.040 --> 1:15:35.559 Mark, Great, well, Caitlyn, you've heard of that one before. 1:15:36.280 --> 1:15:39.439 Come on, well have you heard this one before? I mean, 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:41.639 I wants to fuck a lady that looks like his mom, 1:15:41.920 --> 1:15:48.000 but rarely the uh proven incarnation of his actual mom. Right, 1:15:48.120 --> 1:15:51.120 But then it turns out just kidding for some reason, 1:15:51.520 --> 1:15:52.000 just kidding. 1:15:52.200 --> 1:15:55.000 Yeah, we'll find out more about that in a moment. 1:15:55.080 --> 1:15:59.520 But in the meantime, he shows Jupiter all these canisters 1:15:59.760 --> 1:16:04.240 of this liquid. It's the same thing that Kaliku bathed 1:16:04.280 --> 1:16:09.200 in earlier, and he explains that it's made from humans, 1:16:10.040 --> 1:16:14.280 that Earth is a farm that they harvest people from 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:20.800 to create this like rejuvenating youth juice. But he's trying 1:16:20.840 --> 1:16:23.719 to put a stop to all this because that's wrong, 1:16:24.320 --> 1:16:27.600 as was his mother, and he's just following in her footsteps. 1:16:28.560 --> 1:16:32.200 And he's like, but enough about all that, will you 1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:33.479 marry me? Jupiter? 1:16:33.960 --> 1:16:38.040 And we're somehow left on a cliffhanger for this. 1:16:38.600 --> 1:16:41.360 Yeah, she gasps, and then there's another hard cut to 1:16:41.400 --> 1:16:42.480 the next scene. 1:16:42.479 --> 1:16:48.280 And you're like, Jupiter, what's in it for you? She 1:16:51.840 --> 1:16:54.360 this becomes and again I'm like, is there like a 1:16:54.400 --> 1:16:57.360 Wizard of Ozsie? I was trying to, like, see, I 1:16:57.400 --> 1:17:01.479 have not read the Odyssey looking forward to the Christopher 1:17:01.520 --> 1:17:04.680 and noll In Odyssey, I have to say, so I 1:17:05.360 --> 1:17:08.120 only know the broad strokes. I can see the Wizard 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:12.920 of Oz episodic nature of like what if instead of 1:17:13.360 --> 1:17:16.599 meeting three friends on your way to Oz, you were 1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:22.839 kidnapped by three diabolical siblings on the way to nowhere 1:17:23.920 --> 1:17:27.000 or on the way back to home? Right technically if 1:17:27.080 --> 1:17:31.160 Chicago is Kansas something like that, Like it is episodic, 1:17:31.280 --> 1:17:35.360 but but the episodes don't really advance the plot. They 1:17:35.479 --> 1:17:39.400 kind of just continue it. I don't know. I was 1:17:39.479 --> 1:17:43.120 trying to get there. The tightest one at very least, 1:17:43.520 --> 1:17:48.040 I will say, was interesting. Yeah, I didn't see brother 1:17:48.200 --> 1:17:49.439 proposal coming. 1:17:49.560 --> 1:17:49.800 M M. 1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:50.599 Yeah. 1:17:51.080 --> 1:17:54.120 This is really where it all starts, like really falling 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:56.880 apart for me. Okay, this is where I'm really like, 1:17:56.960 --> 1:17:59.720 I don't I don't know what's happening. I don't know 1:18:00.400 --> 1:18:04.240 there's like a there's a continually shifting allegiance of Jupiter 1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:07.360 to different characters, and it's like, why why are you 1:18:07.439 --> 1:18:09.000 with this person now? Why? 1:18:09.040 --> 1:18:12.519 Like I don't she's she's very very gullible and she 1:18:12.600 --> 1:18:16.040 just sort of like becomes best friends with whoever the 1:18:16.080 --> 1:18:19.920 next sibling she meets is yeah, and we're like, have 1:18:20.040 --> 1:18:22.880 a little bit more discernment of character. 1:18:23.000 --> 1:18:27.120 And think she should be more weirded out, more and 1:18:27.280 --> 1:18:29.519 more excited, you know, like she. 1:18:29.439 --> 1:18:34.320 Just has like sub reactions to again, like that's it's 1:18:34.360 --> 1:18:36.760 part of why she's such a frustrating character. Where like 1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:41.720 Lanava Chowski said in different interviews, like oh, well Dorothy, Well, 1:18:41.760 --> 1:18:43.320 first of all, I think she kind of misreads the 1:18:43.400 --> 1:18:45.800 character Dorothy, where she's like Dorothy doesn't change that much 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:47.800 from the beginning to the end, And you're like, well 1:18:47.800 --> 1:18:52.160 that's not true at all. But like Dorothy is maybe 1:18:52.200 --> 1:18:56.040 not the most active protagonist, right, There's it's a lot 1:18:56.080 --> 1:19:00.759 of things happening to her, but Dorothy is consist making 1:19:01.200 --> 1:19:06.639 emotional choices. She is consistently stating where she stands with things, 1:19:07.080 --> 1:19:11.280 and these are qualities jupid relax, Like, yeah, I wouldn't 1:19:11.800 --> 1:19:14.960 characterize her as a particularly empathetic I wouldn't characterize her 1:19:15.000 --> 1:19:18.000 as anything. I don't like she just seems to be like, wow, 1:19:18.080 --> 1:19:21.280 this is so like it's like she's talking to an 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:26.719 audience that isn't there, both figuratively and if box Office 1:19:26.720 --> 1:19:30.519 receets her to be indicated literally being like this is 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:34.120 so weird. Wow, Like you're just like, how do you 1:19:34.200 --> 1:19:37.320 feel about this? Critical it's impossible to feel nothing. 1:19:37.760 --> 1:19:42.880 Dorothy and Alice of Alice, they're both little girls, so that's. 1:19:42.479 --> 1:19:44.680 Also adult women part of it. 1:19:44.880 --> 1:19:48.600 Like they're little girls, and she's an adult woman with 1:19:48.720 --> 1:19:51.519 a job and like a life and is donating her eggs. 1:19:51.600 --> 1:19:53.560 You know, I don't know, Like there is like just 1:19:53.600 --> 1:19:56.720 an incredible passivity that also doesn't seem to be like 1:19:57.200 --> 1:20:01.679 noticed by the narrative either, Like it's not passive character 1:20:01.840 --> 1:20:05.679 in an interesting way, like right, you know, but it's 1:20:05.760 --> 1:20:09.080 just like she's like getting a river and she's being 1:20:09.160 --> 1:20:09.960 knocked around. 1:20:10.840 --> 1:20:14.360 I feel like she's weirdly kind of subject to these 1:20:14.400 --> 1:20:17.840 like tropes I would normally and this is kind of 1:20:17.840 --> 1:20:19.639 like old hat at this point, but that I would 1:20:19.680 --> 1:20:23.360 like attribute to like a born sexy Yesterday character, except 1:20:23.400 --> 1:20:28.640 she wasn't born sexy yesterday, she was she was born, Like, 1:20:28.800 --> 1:20:31.120 we know so much about her origin story, we know 1:20:31.200 --> 1:20:33.800 so much about her, and so it's like, with all 1:20:33.800 --> 1:20:36.920 that being true, it's really bizarre that she has no 1:20:37.040 --> 1:20:41.920 reaction to anything that's going on. I do like, Okay, 1:20:42.000 --> 1:20:43.760 I just scrolled past this note and I don't know 1:20:43.840 --> 1:20:45.559 if I'll find it again, because I have so many 1:20:45.560 --> 1:20:51.880 notes that even in deep space, the poorly constructed H 1:20:51.960 --> 1:20:54.280 and m V neck will find its way to you. 1:20:55.720 --> 1:20:58.280 Everyone is wearing an H and M V neck at 1:20:58.280 --> 1:21:05.400 some point in the movie, including billionaire aliens, and I 1:21:05.479 --> 1:21:08.840 celebrate that that's monoculture in a way we no longer have. 1:21:10.920 --> 1:21:11.400 So true. 1:21:11.600 --> 1:21:15.120 Yeah, so yeah, So her brothers like, marry me, and 1:21:15.200 --> 1:21:19.200 she bafflingly is like, yeah, maybe her son. 1:21:19.320 --> 1:21:23.280 Her son's marry me, and she's like. 1:21:24.280 --> 1:21:27.040 And she's about to do it, and they literally I 1:21:27.040 --> 1:21:29.120 thought they were gonna do like a series of unfortunate 1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:32.040 events thing where she's like secretly kind of playing a 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:34.240 trick and she's like, I'm going to sign the contract 1:21:34.240 --> 1:21:36.800 with the wrong hand or like somehow, but like no, 1:21:36.880 --> 1:21:39.639 she's just gonna marry him and wait for Channing Tatum 1:21:39.680 --> 1:21:40.960 to interrupt the wedding. 1:21:41.120 --> 1:21:45.440 Yes, which is more or less what happens next. Titus 1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:49.040 disposes of Cain by like launching him into space, but 1:21:49.640 --> 1:21:54.560 Cain uses his nifty gravity boots and a magical oxygen 1:21:54.680 --> 1:21:58.200 suit that he happens to have right there to survive 1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:03.799 until he is rescued by Like they're described as space 1:22:03.960 --> 1:22:09.400 cops who we've seen before. They're like buds with Stinger. 1:22:10.240 --> 1:22:15.160 Stinger a penie, of course, so he gets rescueees Stinger 1:22:15.240 --> 1:22:22.360 is a penie. Yes. Jupiter meanwhile is going through with 1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:29.559 this marriage. So Cain and Stinger reconcile, and then they 1:22:29.760 --> 1:22:34.240 go to the wedding to stop it. And Caine is 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:36.599 starting to realize that he's in love with Jupiter two, 1:22:37.080 --> 1:22:39.200 and so they go in and they crash the wedding 1:22:39.240 --> 1:22:43.400 and it's very Shrek crashing in to stop the Fiona 1:22:43.479 --> 1:22:44.759 Farquad wedding. 1:22:45.560 --> 1:22:48.519 Sure, except we know what Fiona wants. 1:22:50.360 --> 1:22:52.200 Yes, that is the big difference. 1:22:52.360 --> 1:22:55.960 And also there's a huge matrix reference in Trek there 1:22:56.080 --> 1:22:57.720 is featuring Fiona. 1:22:58.000 --> 1:23:03.360 It's all connected, web connects them all, it sure does. 1:23:04.160 --> 1:23:07.120 I think maybe the only person who said with love 1:23:07.200 --> 1:23:08.920 the only person who maybe could have been worse in 1:23:09.000 --> 1:23:11.880 the part of Jupiter is to go to Johnson's to 1:23:11.920 --> 1:23:14.519 go to Johnson is maybe the only living actor who 1:23:14.520 --> 1:23:16.040 could have given less in this role. 1:23:16.360 --> 1:23:19.240 Yeah, yeah, this this movie is pretty like Madam Webbian. 1:23:19.800 --> 1:23:21.040 I think it's. 1:23:24.040 --> 1:23:27.639 She really could have but but maybe Dakota Johnson could 1:23:27.640 --> 1:23:30.559 have sold me on apathy as a as a character choice. 1:23:30.840 --> 1:23:34.040 Yeah, let's let's remake it. I want to. 1:23:35.520 --> 1:23:39.800 I would love to see another Jupiter's ending. All they 1:23:39.840 --> 1:23:43.559 needed was four hundred million dollars and that would have That. 1:23:43.520 --> 1:23:45.479 Would have fixed it, that would have made the story 1:23:45.600 --> 1:23:46.120 made sense. 1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:51.040 Yeah, we all know that money equals good story exactly 1:23:51.520 --> 1:23:55.799 for sure. Okay. So then Kine, who has rescued Jupiter 1:23:55.880 --> 1:24:00.679 from the wedding, takes her back to Earth, but when 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:04.040 she goes into her house, her family is gone because 1:24:04.040 --> 1:24:09.479 they've been abducted by Balam's giant space lizard man. And 1:24:09.520 --> 1:24:14.880 then that other servant of Balam's, mister Knight, blackmails. 1:24:16.240 --> 1:24:17.840 Had completely forgotten about him. 1:24:18.600 --> 1:24:23.200 He blackmails Jupiter saying that if she relinquishes her title 1:24:23.760 --> 1:24:28.040 to Earth so that Balam can have it, they'll let 1:24:28.080 --> 1:24:32.160 her family live. So she agrees to go with mister 1:24:32.240 --> 1:24:35.759 Knight to keep her family safe. She meets with Balam, 1:24:35.920 --> 1:24:41.240 who demands that she hand over her title to Earth, 1:24:42.120 --> 1:24:44.760 and she's like, well, if I do that, you're just 1:24:44.920 --> 1:24:51.000 gonna harvest and kill everyone there, and he's like yeah yeah, 1:24:51.040 --> 1:24:53.519 and she's like, well, I guess I should form an 1:24:53.560 --> 1:24:54.640 opinion about. 1:24:54.320 --> 1:24:56.679 That later, and she does. 1:24:57.320 --> 1:25:00.120 I guess and she says, no, don't do it, Balam. 1:25:00.640 --> 1:25:03.280 But before she can like really do anything on her own, 1:25:03.920 --> 1:25:10.040 Cain and his buddies attack Balum and I think the 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:14.559 like the refinery where they make the youth juice at 1:25:16.000 --> 1:25:19.479 So things are kind of like crashing down around them, 1:25:20.400 --> 1:25:25.599 and Jupiter and Balom fall into a hole and they're 1:25:25.640 --> 1:25:26.920 like plummeting downward. 1:25:27.120 --> 1:25:30.519 One could one could even call it, okay, horrible in 1:25:30.600 --> 1:25:33.599 coming a plot hole. Oh wow? 1:25:33.880 --> 1:25:37.440 Oh wait, I thought you were gonna say Jupiter descending. 1:25:38.200 --> 1:25:42.400 Oh god, if I only had a bigger brain. Thankfully 1:25:42.560 --> 1:25:42.840 you do. 1:25:43.120 --> 1:25:46.519 I do, so I got you covered. Thank you so 1:25:46.640 --> 1:25:52.560 much anytime. Okay, So they're falling. Cain is I don't know, 1:25:52.600 --> 1:25:55.200 he's doing something. He's battling the giant lizards. 1:25:55.560 --> 1:25:59.760 He's busting as hump, He's busting us up. 1:26:00.400 --> 1:26:04.000 Jupiter starts to make her way back to Caine, but 1:26:04.040 --> 1:26:08.919 then Balum attacks Jupiter again. They're fighting, they fall again, 1:26:09.320 --> 1:26:13.680 they're descending again, but then finally Caine swoops in with 1:26:13.680 --> 1:26:16.519 his gravity boots and saves Jupiter. I think this is 1:26:16.560 --> 1:26:18.880 the fifth or sixth time he has saved her throughout 1:26:18.920 --> 1:26:19.320 the movie. 1:26:19.880 --> 1:26:22.599 Yeah, not to mention, I mean she's also been saved 1:26:22.600 --> 1:26:26.200 by characters. We never really get full context for thinking 1:26:26.240 --> 1:26:30.479 of you, missus ponytails, where the hell you were? You 1:26:30.560 --> 1:26:32.240 also saved Jupiter at some point? 1:26:32.320 --> 1:26:33.519 Wait? Who she has? 1:26:33.560 --> 1:26:35.840 Like the it's like purple hair. 1:26:36.400 --> 1:26:41.160 Yeah, she has like purple pigtails that are like crimped, 1:26:41.200 --> 1:26:44.160 and she's got this cool outfit and she but like, 1:26:44.240 --> 1:26:47.040 I have no idea who she is. I don't know 1:26:47.080 --> 1:26:50.960 how beside she's on We see her once or twice. 1:26:51.600 --> 1:26:53.640 Oh wait, no, isn't she one of She's the kind 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:56.040 of character you see and you're like, yeah, she's gonna 1:26:56.040 --> 1:26:58.400 be awesome, but then you just never really figure out 1:26:58.400 --> 1:26:59.000 who she is. 1:26:59.000 --> 1:27:02.080 Isn't she one of the bounty hunters who captures her? 1:27:02.200 --> 1:27:03.400 I don't think she saves. 1:27:03.120 --> 1:27:03.880 Who told you that? 1:27:04.439 --> 1:27:05.280 Who told me that? 1:27:05.920 --> 1:27:08.120 Yeah? Wait, I want I want to know who that 1:27:08.200 --> 1:27:08.720 character is. 1:27:09.560 --> 1:27:11.960 I mean if you if I'm thinking of who you're describing, 1:27:12.120 --> 1:27:15.519 I think she she like abducts Jupiter, not saves her. 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:18.479 Well, she does Jupiter, I guess. I'm thinking, like Jupiter 1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:22.200 is like unconscious and someone wakes her up. Did she 1:27:22.240 --> 1:27:24.200 wake Jupiter up for being unconscious? 1:27:24.560 --> 1:27:26.000 Maybe I can't remember. 1:27:27.160 --> 1:27:30.479 He's in the like really long scene at the beginning 1:27:30.720 --> 1:27:33.080 that's like yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:27:33.120 --> 1:27:38.040 And then she instruction Yeah yeah, she's a bounty. 1:27:38.320 --> 1:27:41.400 Join don't the two bounty hunters like join them? 1:27:41.800 --> 1:27:42.120 No? 1:27:43.080 --> 1:27:43.799 On their side? 1:27:43.960 --> 1:27:46.559 Really I thought so too, but it was unclear. 1:27:46.720 --> 1:27:48.960 Well, I mean, Summer, you've seen this movie way more 1:27:49.000 --> 1:27:51.640 than me. But I was like, I was so locked in. 1:27:51.720 --> 1:27:54.040 I was like, I have to understand. 1:27:54.160 --> 1:27:56.160 No, you're doing so good. I was really wondering. 1:27:56.200 --> 1:28:01.760 I was like, reare, Okay, we're almost done, So given 1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:05.800 us the ultimate challenge. Yeah, Cain and Jupiter are making 1:28:05.840 --> 1:28:10.840 their way back to the ship, but oh no, something's 1:28:10.840 --> 1:28:13.960 about to explode. Will they make it in time? They do, 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:18.559 and then Jupiter returns to Earth. She's safe and sound 1:28:18.680 --> 1:28:21.919 with her mom and aunt and the rest of her family. 1:28:22.720 --> 1:28:24.400 Though she's back to cleaning toilets. 1:28:24.760 --> 1:28:26.879 But now it's awesome. 1:28:26.960 --> 1:28:31.040 But now she's the Queen of Earth, so she loves 1:28:31.040 --> 1:28:31.599 her life. 1:28:31.800 --> 1:28:35.200 And now that's what I call You can't say that. 1:28:35.439 --> 1:28:37.759 I mean, at the beginning she hated toilets, but now 1:28:37.800 --> 1:28:38.799 she likes them. 1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:40.760 And that's an arc if I've ever seen one. 1:28:40.840 --> 1:28:42.519 That's an arc that counts. 1:28:42.760 --> 1:28:45.360 Then her family gives her the telescope that she was 1:28:45.400 --> 1:28:49.479 hoping to buy, and then the movie ends with her 1:28:49.600 --> 1:28:52.759 not using it at all. Instead, she's noodling with Cain, 1:28:53.400 --> 1:28:54.960 who has wings now. 1:28:55.200 --> 1:28:59.280 Like a dog would right, right, guys, right. 1:28:58.760 --> 1:29:03.200 Exactly, and then she has his gravity boots on and 1:29:03.240 --> 1:29:08.679 then they're flying around together the end. Yes, so an 1:29:08.720 --> 1:29:12.920 hour and a half into the episode, let's take another 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:23.160 break and we'll come back to discuss. 1:29:25.200 --> 1:29:27.960 And we're bad, We're back. I do feel like we've 1:29:28.040 --> 1:29:31.800 had a large portion of the discussion. Ye starting the 1:29:31.880 --> 1:29:35.799 recap as is increasingly common on this show. But summer, 1:29:36.640 --> 1:29:37.960 where would you like to begin? 1:29:39.040 --> 1:29:43.520 Let's let's let's talk about the mother daughter relationship, Jupiter's 1:29:43.560 --> 1:29:48.479 mother daughter relationship. Absolutely, I feel like there are there 1:29:48.520 --> 1:29:52.280 are movies when you rewatch them. Every time you watch it, 1:29:52.400 --> 1:29:54.800 you're kind of like, oh, I forgot it starts like that, 1:29:55.520 --> 1:29:58.120 and this is one of them. I'm always like, oh, yeah, 1:29:58.120 --> 1:30:01.759 it doesn't start with the toilets, it starts with the parents. 1:30:02.080 --> 1:30:05.920 And I think something that always throws me off is 1:30:05.960 --> 1:30:08.840 when her family buys her the telescope at the end. 1:30:09.280 --> 1:30:12.280 I always wonder when did her mom tell her about 1:30:12.320 --> 1:30:16.679 the telescope? Like, when when did she get any kind 1:30:16.680 --> 1:30:20.360 of access to her family history. She says, like, my 1:30:20.479 --> 1:30:22.880 mom like pushed away all of her family except for 1:30:22.920 --> 1:30:25.599 her sister. And it seems like maybe she doesn't talk 1:30:25.640 --> 1:30:29.680 about her dad very much. Maybe she only knows the 1:30:29.760 --> 1:30:32.120 origin of her name, but I don't know. I always 1:30:32.120 --> 1:30:35.559 found that to be such a dropped thing. It's like, 1:30:35.600 --> 1:30:38.519 why does she know what telescope her dead dad had? 1:30:39.439 --> 1:30:41.439 How is it relevant to any of this? How do 1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:44.160 we spend so much time in space? And then like 1:30:44.320 --> 1:30:47.080 her astronomer father isn't relevant? 1:30:47.240 --> 1:30:51.559 Really he never comes back. That's really yeah. I felt 1:30:51.560 --> 1:30:54.240 the same. I just I have to believe and would 1:30:54.280 --> 1:30:56.559 I did not have a lot of luck finding out 1:30:56.600 --> 1:31:01.080 like what happened in earlier drafts of this script, but 1:31:01.439 --> 1:31:04.599 that her mother had to like, especially at the end 1:31:04.640 --> 1:31:07.840 where it feels throwaway. In the version of the movie 1:31:07.840 --> 1:31:11.120 that we get where she's like, you know, I've really 1:31:11.240 --> 1:31:13.680 like she says something I can to like, I've realized, 1:31:13.720 --> 1:31:17.080 like you should be able to use a telescope and 1:31:17.240 --> 1:31:19.840 explore your passions and blah blah blah, and like says 1:31:19.880 --> 1:31:21.800 something that you're like, Well in a movie where this 1:31:21.960 --> 1:31:26.280 character was a character that could be really impactful and 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:29.439 could have really like symbolized an arc that mother and 1:31:29.520 --> 1:31:33.360 daughter have been on, but like, I don't know, yeah, 1:31:33.400 --> 1:31:35.880 like somewhere, like you're saying, there's a lot established about 1:31:35.880 --> 1:31:38.240 the mom that I find it very hard to believe 1:31:38.280 --> 1:31:42.639 that there wasn't originally intentioned to have that mother daughter 1:31:42.760 --> 1:31:47.800 story running throughout, because that would also track with how 1:31:47.920 --> 1:31:52.320 disregulated the Abrasis family is yea with their dead mother, 1:31:52.920 --> 1:31:55.400 and then you have like why don't we know how 1:31:55.560 --> 1:31:57.840 I mean whatever, It's like, you know, Jupiter never knew 1:31:57.880 --> 1:32:01.559 her father and we don't really know how much or 1:32:01.640 --> 1:32:04.720 when she learned about him, But there are ways that 1:32:04.800 --> 1:32:08.160 you think that Jupiter could connect with In contrast, the 1:32:08.240 --> 1:32:11.800 Abrasis family, where they have a dead parent, they have 1:32:12.360 --> 1:32:16.520 mommy issues, yeah, but none of these similarities are explored. 1:32:16.960 --> 1:32:20.680 And like thinking about the Wizard of Oz comparison, so 1:32:20.840 --> 1:32:25.600 much of like Dorothy's journey, right is seeing the parallels 1:32:25.680 --> 1:32:30.200 of the Ossians to the troubles that she has in 1:32:30.240 --> 1:32:32.479 her life at the start of the movie, right, like 1:32:32.520 --> 1:32:36.400 the mean Lady is the wicked Witch, and on and 1:32:36.439 --> 1:32:40.520 on and on, right, And so it's it's very funny, 1:32:40.680 --> 1:32:43.360 I don't know to be to site Wizard of All 1:32:43.560 --> 1:32:48.439 as an influence, but have such a drastic disconnect between 1:32:48.479 --> 1:32:53.639 these two narratives, especially with like any redmaking murders his mom, 1:32:53.880 --> 1:32:56.360 Like what I don't know, Like what does that do 1:32:56.479 --> 1:32:59.120 to a person to be faced with a person who 1:32:59.200 --> 1:33:02.040 has like killed the parent. Does it make you think 1:33:02.080 --> 1:33:04.519 about your relationship to your parent at all? It would 1:33:04.600 --> 1:33:06.080 make me right. 1:33:06.240 --> 1:33:09.599 And it's like, but that's kind of not Jupiter's style. 1:33:10.360 --> 1:33:11.960 Jupiter's like brain off. 1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:17.120 I was not really asking questions or being curious about anything. 1:33:16.840 --> 1:33:22.280 And that's actually self care. And she's like touching grass 1:33:22.360 --> 1:33:25.960 or something. But yeah, I guess something that I wondered 1:33:25.960 --> 1:33:28.960 that I'm like, maybe I'm really kind of like off 1:33:28.960 --> 1:33:31.599 the deep end here. But at the end when you 1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:36.200 find out randomly like Eddie Redmain murdered his mother, but 1:33:36.280 --> 1:33:39.400 he also says that she was begging to ask you, 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:44.160 if not begged him to do we believe him there? 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:46.800 Like I think we're supposed to believe him, but it 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:53.560 just feels like again like if true, so under explored. Yeah, 1:33:53.560 --> 1:33:56.240 and such a last minute thing to learn about a 1:33:56.320 --> 1:33:59.600 character before they fall into a literal void never to 1:33:59.640 --> 1:34:00.400 be seen again. 1:34:00.840 --> 1:34:04.360 I believed Tim, and I thought it was meant to 1:34:05.520 --> 1:34:09.439 say that there is like something in the genetics that 1:34:09.520 --> 1:34:12.759 she possesses that like, oh, you hate your life because 1:34:12.760 --> 1:34:16.600 my mother hated her life, and so you're genetically predisposed. 1:34:18.320 --> 1:34:24.040 I interpreted it as their mother realized the atrocities that 1:34:24.080 --> 1:34:29.720 she committed by harvesting humans from various planets. 1:34:29.840 --> 1:34:34.400 But see, like that would be great, like imagine that 1:34:34.600 --> 1:34:38.080 like an interiority of like your I don't know, like 1:34:38.720 --> 1:34:43.320 the being that you're reincarnated from, like like like like 1:34:43.360 --> 1:34:46.880 an Avatar cycle kind of thing, like teaching you the 1:34:47.000 --> 1:34:49.880 harm of that past life or whatever that would have 1:34:49.880 --> 1:34:50.479 been sick. 1:34:50.439 --> 1:34:53.280 Which is right, Yeah, But then even so, why would 1:34:53.320 --> 1:34:57.479 you force your son to do that? 1:34:57.479 --> 1:35:01.200 That doesn't feel like a the way to do that, 1:35:01.680 --> 1:35:06.040 steady little son, right, You're like Eddie Redmain is having 1:35:06.080 --> 1:35:10.040 clearly enough issues as it is the genetics of it all. 1:35:10.600 --> 1:35:12.400 I don't really have that much to say that. It 1:35:12.479 --> 1:35:16.840 isn't extremely obvious, but there is a sort of I 1:35:16.840 --> 1:35:19.559 don't know, I don't know because it's like, you know, 1:35:19.720 --> 1:35:23.720 we have two iconic trans filmmakers making this film, so 1:35:23.760 --> 1:35:25.880 I'm like, who the fuck am I? But you know, 1:35:25.880 --> 1:35:28.360 when genetics are brought up too much, you kind of 1:35:28.400 --> 1:35:30.800 have to start tilting your head a little bit and 1:35:30.880 --> 1:35:34.520 being like, ah, I don't know. 1:35:34.520 --> 1:35:38.840 Again, it is the villains who are obsessed with, yeah, 1:35:38.880 --> 1:35:40.000 this whole genetic thing. 1:35:40.320 --> 1:35:42.240 Well but yes, but again it's like, but there's no 1:35:42.360 --> 1:35:46.320 pushback on the hero side. Like at the end, Mila Kunas, 1:35:46.439 --> 1:35:50.839 due to genetics, owns the deed to Earth and seems 1:35:50.880 --> 1:35:53.960 fine with that. Yeah, because she will be a benevolent 1:35:54.040 --> 1:35:54.840 ruler to Earth. 1:35:55.720 --> 1:35:57.120 Right, so well, like. 1:35:57.560 --> 1:36:00.760 You know, functionally, what does it mean to own the 1:36:00.800 --> 1:36:04.320 Earth at that point? Like seemingly she doesn't, I don't 1:36:04.360 --> 1:36:07.160 know if she has she continues to have access to 1:36:07.240 --> 1:36:12.920 the technology of right, hey, the Braxist family because I 1:36:12.960 --> 1:36:15.519 don't know, it's it's it's very I mean, it's it's 1:36:15.600 --> 1:36:19.640 poorly done. So there's many questions, but I think that 1:36:19.680 --> 1:36:24.720 there is such a strange sort of like she is 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:28.960 happy now I guess because she has a dog boyfriend, 1:36:29.120 --> 1:36:31.360 but also because she is the owner of earth. But 1:36:31.400 --> 1:36:34.000 I think there you know, there is a there is 1:36:34.040 --> 1:36:36.439 like oh, like she wants to buy things and she 1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:39.880 has to work really hard. But does ownership of earth 1:36:40.000 --> 1:36:40.920 give her wealth? 1:36:41.080 --> 1:36:41.559 I don't know. 1:36:41.880 --> 1:36:43.040 I don't know what it gives. 1:36:42.760 --> 1:36:47.640 Her really know what she gets out of it? And 1:36:47.800 --> 1:36:51.120 also just I don't know. Jupiter, bless her heart, she 1:36:51.280 --> 1:36:54.200 is like unbelievably vague to the very end where the 1:36:54.280 --> 1:36:59.400 last time we see her with her family, she's like, sorry, everyone, 1:36:59.840 --> 1:37:02.800 I've got a date tonight. And then her aunt, because 1:37:02.840 --> 1:37:05.320 her aunt's whole thing is she is like a caricature 1:37:05.360 --> 1:37:09.080 of like I love astrology, which you think would become 1:37:09.120 --> 1:37:12.599 plot relevant, but don't worry, it never does. And she's like, 1:37:12.680 --> 1:37:16.000 what's his sign? And Jupiter says, ha ha, I don't know. 1:37:16.520 --> 1:37:20.040 End of scene and see yup. Awesome. 1:37:20.240 --> 1:37:23.559 Well, to go back to your point summer about her 1:37:23.640 --> 1:37:27.240 relationship with her mother and how there were opportunities to 1:37:28.520 --> 1:37:34.479 characterize Jupiter, either by like setting up an arc or 1:37:34.520 --> 1:37:37.200 giving her a desire or motivation or something like that 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:41.120 because she wants to buy this telescope, but we have 1:37:41.200 --> 1:37:45.599 no specific indication of why, Like, yeah, did her mother 1:37:45.720 --> 1:37:47.560 tell her about her father's telescope. 1:37:47.720 --> 1:37:49.880 I have to believe there's a draft word where that 1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:50.240 was there. 1:37:50.479 --> 1:37:53.919 Why true? Right, because she's gonna spend four thousand dollars 1:37:53.960 --> 1:37:57.559 on it, Yeah, that's that is no small purchase, But 1:37:57.600 --> 1:38:00.160 there's no indication that, like, maybe she wants to by 1:38:00.200 --> 1:38:03.639 this telescope to feel closer to the memory of her father. 1:38:03.720 --> 1:38:06.240 Maybe she wants it because she legitimately has an interest 1:38:06.320 --> 1:38:09.160 in space. If so, that could explain why when she 1:38:09.200 --> 1:38:12.640 gets abducted and taken to space, she's like, this is 1:38:12.640 --> 1:38:17.479 actually cool the way that like Moana another hero's Journey 1:38:17.720 --> 1:38:20.960 chosen one style narrative that came out right around this time, 1:38:21.479 --> 1:38:25.679 it's very clearly established that Moana longs to be out 1:38:25.800 --> 1:38:28.759 on the ocean and to explore if there's a similar 1:38:28.800 --> 1:38:32.960 thing for Jupiter, where she likes she longs to explore space, 1:38:33.439 --> 1:38:37.360 but she it doesn't seem conceivable because she's a working 1:38:37.400 --> 1:38:40.519 class woman who will never have access to that. And 1:38:40.560 --> 1:38:43.719 then when she finally does again, that could explain why 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:47.880 she's so enamored by Oh I'm on this new planet, 1:38:47.880 --> 1:38:50.439 I'm meeting these aliens. This is also cool, this is 1:38:50.439 --> 1:38:53.440 what I dreamed of. But because none of that is established, 1:38:54.040 --> 1:38:57.160 we have no idea how she feels about her situation. 1:38:57.680 --> 1:39:01.920 We have no idea what she wants or what motivates her. 1:39:01.920 --> 1:39:07.439 Choices, Like it reminds me of this is very random. 1:39:07.560 --> 1:39:12.000 But a recent criticism I saw of Belle from Beauty 1:39:12.000 --> 1:39:15.920 and the Beast in a YouTube video that I liked 1:39:16.880 --> 1:39:21.720 was that she is kind of a bizarre protagonist on 1:39:21.760 --> 1:39:26.200 the grounds that we know what she doesn't want, but 1:39:26.240 --> 1:39:28.840 we don't know what she does want, which makes her 1:39:28.880 --> 1:39:31.800 whole journey rather confusing and sort of serves to make 1:39:31.840 --> 1:39:34.439 someone else the protagonist in her story, which is something 1:39:34.439 --> 1:39:36.680 I was thinking about with Jupiter and Cain, where I 1:39:36.720 --> 1:39:40.320 think Cain more clearly fits the role of a protagonist 1:39:40.439 --> 1:39:43.160 in that he grows and changes. 1:39:43.120 --> 1:39:46.280 And has a specific motivation, a specific desire yea. 1:39:46.520 --> 1:39:49.960 He wants his wings, which is vague but a tangible goal, 1:39:50.760 --> 1:39:54.840 whereas we really are only told what Jupiter doesn't want, 1:39:55.439 --> 1:39:56.760 and it's her life. 1:39:57.360 --> 1:39:59.880 Yes, she wants much more than this provincial life, right ye, 1:40:00.200 --> 1:40:02.720 which is that's the whole bells I want. It was 1:40:02.760 --> 1:40:04.840 just just like I don't want this, but you're like, okay, 1:40:04.880 --> 1:40:05.880 but what do you want? 1:40:06.280 --> 1:40:08.320 Yeah, and so you could sort of give that character 1:40:08.400 --> 1:40:11.840 anything and be sort of like I guess maybe I 1:40:11.840 --> 1:40:12.240 don't know. 1:40:12.520 --> 1:40:15.600 And then when Jupiter, it's like nothing really changes. I 1:40:15.640 --> 1:40:17.760 think that's that's the thing that's like always just so 1:40:19.080 --> 1:40:22.400 kooky at the end of the movie, Like she's so 1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:25.880 much happier, she's more a beat, she's full of life, 1:40:26.000 --> 1:40:28.599 and it's like that things are the same. Is it 1:40:28.720 --> 1:40:32.559 really just the boyfriend? I don't know, Like it's so 1:40:33.040 --> 1:40:36.120 it is so in some ways, it's kind of it's 1:40:36.200 --> 1:40:38.840 kind of fun to be like all she needed is 1:40:38.880 --> 1:40:41.160 this like little secret that she owns the earth and 1:40:41.240 --> 1:40:41.840 she's good. 1:40:42.479 --> 1:40:45.840 But I don't know, I kind of I mean, I 1:40:45.960 --> 1:40:50.160 wanted to give the movie that like, and maybe I 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:52.519 don't know. Again, I'm like, maybe I'm overthinking it, but 1:40:52.600 --> 1:40:56.160 like that at the end, I feel like there's I mean, 1:40:56.280 --> 1:40:59.720 it feels sort of similar to Dorothy, where Dorothy technically 1:40:59.760 --> 1:41:03.080 and up exactly where she started with a whole new 1:41:03.200 --> 1:41:09.840 appreciation for what she has. Maybe that's what it's supposed 1:41:09.840 --> 1:41:10.040 to be. 1:41:10.880 --> 1:41:15.320 Yeah, She's like oh, I could have been harvested and 1:41:15.360 --> 1:41:19.040 I wasn't, so I'm grateful now. 1:41:19.280 --> 1:41:22.240 And it's just I just want more for her than 1:41:22.880 --> 1:41:27.439 to be satisfied that she hasn't been harvested. I don't know. 1:41:27.600 --> 1:41:29.479 I mean, although it's like there are a lot of 1:41:29.520 --> 1:41:34.120 really interesting ideas and like going back to like the Wachowski's, like, yeah, 1:41:34.560 --> 1:41:38.679 they're not underthinking the mythology they're pulling from. They're pulling 1:41:38.680 --> 1:41:41.880 from these movies, but they're also pulling from a bunch 1:41:42.120 --> 1:41:51.280 of folklore, specifically like gnostic ideas and the Okay, I 1:41:52.160 --> 1:41:55.200 was I was afraid you would ask that. Sorry, sorry, 1:41:56.080 --> 1:42:02.440 not so like basically ideas of transhumanism, of gnosticism, of reincarnation. 1:42:03.920 --> 1:42:08.240 There is something I learned about called the Gaya hypothesis. 1:42:08.560 --> 1:42:11.720 I was really, I was summer. Maybe you know all 1:42:11.760 --> 1:42:14.120 of this way better than I know. Do you know 1:42:14.160 --> 1:42:16.720 about the Gaya hypothesis? I was afraid that. I was, like, 1:42:16.720 --> 1:42:22.439 I'm like Mother Earth, yes exactly, that Jupiter is and 1:42:22.479 --> 1:42:25.600 I guess that the Witch Housekis gave some interviews to 1:42:25.640 --> 1:42:28.120 this effect. But there's also just been a lot of 1:42:28.160 --> 1:42:30.960 speculation for people who are interested in folklore like this 1:42:31.560 --> 1:42:35.840 that Jupiter is supposed to be a representation of Earth 1:42:36.000 --> 1:42:41.599 itself and is supposed to embody all of the gaya 1:42:41.760 --> 1:42:47.040 like beautiful qualities of Earth. I'm going to quote from 1:42:47.120 --> 1:42:50.800 bravely from a medium dot com interview here, So take 1:42:50.840 --> 1:42:52.800 with a grain of salt. But there's just really not 1:42:53.520 --> 1:42:56.160 a lot of good info about the background of this. 1:42:56.160 --> 1:43:00.800 This is from Golden Age timeline. Jupiter is said gnostic 1:43:00.880 --> 1:43:04.880 themes of transhumanism versus soul embo, spiritual awakening, and the 1:43:04.920 --> 1:43:08.880 divine feminism. One of the main themes in Jupiterous ending 1:43:08.880 --> 1:43:12.640 relates to Gnosticism, an ancient religious movement associated with the 1:43:13.439 --> 1:43:17.639 Es Senes that views the material world as a lower 1:43:17.680 --> 1:43:22.040 density learning ground for souls to evolve. According to gnostic beliefs, 1:43:22.120 --> 1:43:24.679 human souls are divine beings who choose to get trapped 1:43:24.680 --> 1:43:27.720 in the physical world that is controlled by evil archons. 1:43:27.800 --> 1:43:31.400 It's starting to give scientology here, and archon is defined 1:43:31.400 --> 1:43:35.519 as a technological ruler that enslaves through mind control, frequency implants, 1:43:35.520 --> 1:43:39.360 and military strategies, and works through controlling more embodied sources 1:43:39.400 --> 1:43:44.880 such as corrupt humans or non humans perhaps bees or dinosaurs, 1:43:45.640 --> 1:43:50.840 only through attaining gnosis or esoteric spiritual knowledge. This is 1:43:50.880 --> 1:43:54.360 absolutely some l Roone humbridshit. Can the soul transcend its 1:43:54.400 --> 1:43:59.599 earthly prison and reach liberation? So it's pulling from ancient 1:43:59.640 --> 1:44:03.599 ideas that el Ron Hubber would later steal. And again, 1:44:03.680 --> 1:44:05.800 like when I was reading stuff like this, I was like, oh, 1:44:05.840 --> 1:44:10.719 I kind of see how the siblings fall into that idea, 1:44:10.960 --> 1:44:15.679 and that Jupiter is theoretically a foil to that idea. 1:44:16.000 --> 1:44:19.880 But again, she's so inactive that it's like hard to 1:44:19.960 --> 1:44:25.719 telegraph those ideas effectively because she's not if she's embodying Earth, 1:44:26.600 --> 1:44:30.040 I don't think Earth is coming off particularly well. Like 1:44:30.080 --> 1:44:33.200 it's just sort of like, here's this because the idea 1:44:33.240 --> 1:44:40.360 of like harvesting humans for fuel is so horrific and potent, 1:44:40.920 --> 1:44:44.000 but it's kind of just like left there in this story. 1:44:44.040 --> 1:44:47.840 I don't know I was thinking about. It starts with 1:44:47.920 --> 1:44:53.040 her theoretically donating her eggs, and I don't know, there's 1:44:53.040 --> 1:44:56.599 something interesting there too, with a sort of kind of 1:44:56.640 --> 1:45:01.080 like exploitation of a working woman in like having to 1:45:01.360 --> 1:45:07.240 resort to donating your eggs in order to afford things 1:45:07.280 --> 1:45:09.320 that you want and need. And also I don't know, 1:45:09.400 --> 1:45:12.759 like the cousin thing is like it's absurd, like why 1:45:12.800 --> 1:45:14.799 why is she letting her cousin take. 1:45:14.800 --> 1:45:17.759 The bulk of the bulk it's going to earn. 1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:21.160 But I think there is something interesting there of like 1:45:21.240 --> 1:45:25.120 this sort of patriarchal exploitation continuing, and then when she 1:45:25.200 --> 1:45:27.920 becomes a queen, there is a weird empowerment to it. 1:45:27.960 --> 1:45:31.320 But it just doesn't it doesn't work well right, And 1:45:31.360 --> 1:45:34.040 like I think that I don't know there is hearing 1:45:34.200 --> 1:45:37.560 hearing you read these like spiritual themes, like that's so beautiful. 1:45:37.800 --> 1:45:41.000 I wish I wish it was coming through. 1:45:41.960 --> 1:45:44.760 I know, yeah, I think, Wait, sorry, can I tell 1:45:44.760 --> 1:45:48.280 you more about the guy A hypothesis? Yeah, because I 1:45:48.320 --> 1:45:50.479 was like, I because I do believe, like I I 1:45:50.520 --> 1:45:53.240 don't know the Wachowski's, I fully believe they are well 1:45:53.280 --> 1:45:55.760 acquainted with the guy A hypothesis. This all feels very 1:45:55.800 --> 1:45:59.519 within their wheelhouse. And this is where I was like, wait, 1:46:00.080 --> 1:46:03.639 this really could have been something. The Gya hypothesis posits 1:46:03.680 --> 1:46:06.120 that the Earth, also known as Gaya, along with the 1:46:06.120 --> 1:46:08.559 planets and the stars, are sentient beings on their own 1:46:08.600 --> 1:46:12.280 evolutionary journey. Humans and other life forms on the planet 1:46:12.280 --> 1:46:15.400 are like cells within her body. Her desire to understand 1:46:15.479 --> 1:46:18.040 the origins of creation led her to bring the material 1:46:18.080 --> 1:46:22.240 world into existence without approval from supreme creator of the 1:46:22.320 --> 1:46:27.240 universe aka eddie Redmain. And so there is this massive 1:46:27.360 --> 1:46:32.240 cosmic story that is being referenced. But of all the 1:46:32.280 --> 1:46:35.040 things that are explained to us in the course of 1:46:35.080 --> 1:46:39.639 this story, this is something I could have actually really used. 1:46:39.720 --> 1:46:42.880 I don't know if that is what they're referencing, hmm, 1:46:43.160 --> 1:46:44.880 but it's interesting. I was like, Oh, I want more 1:46:44.880 --> 1:46:46.360 about the Gaya hypothesis. 1:46:47.040 --> 1:46:53.800 Something I think the movie does handle pretty well is 1:46:54.160 --> 1:47:03.320 its criticism of genocidal colonial capitalism, because the villains are 1:47:03.320 --> 1:47:10.879 this royal family who control this empire where they implant 1:47:10.960 --> 1:47:16.120 human DNA on various planets, wait till the population grows 1:47:16.520 --> 1:47:21.560 basically out of control and becomes unsustainable, and then harvests 1:47:21.600 --> 1:47:25.120 them aka kills everybody on the planet to create their 1:47:25.120 --> 1:47:29.760 youth juice. And the movie presents this as like, this 1:47:29.880 --> 1:47:34.240 is absolutely horrible and these they need to be stopped, 1:47:34.439 --> 1:47:38.719 and Jupiter is kind of the one to stop them, 1:47:38.760 --> 1:47:43.960 but she barely does, and therein lies the problem. But 1:47:45.160 --> 1:47:49.240 where I think the movie missteps with this is that 1:47:50.600 --> 1:47:55.800 the cops and the military of this movie are poised 1:47:55.920 --> 1:48:00.720 as the good guys actually, because with Cain being this 1:48:00.920 --> 1:48:08.600 like ex military soldier character, and then with the Aegis, 1:48:09.200 --> 1:48:14.480 which is the like cops, they're running around with Stinger 1:48:14.720 --> 1:48:19.479 and they help Caine and Jupiter with different things. They're 1:48:19.520 --> 1:48:21.960 always like, oh no, they're the good guys. They're helping, 1:48:22.000 --> 1:48:27.000 they're doing good stuff. And maybe maybe in this world 1:48:27.360 --> 1:48:33.240 these sort of like intergalactic police and military are maybe 1:48:33.280 --> 1:48:39.760 doing good things and like holding the horrible genocide committers accountable. 1:48:39.439 --> 1:48:42.520 But it seems like the rest of the world reflects 1:48:42.560 --> 1:48:45.360 ours enough that probably not exactly. 1:48:45.400 --> 1:48:49.439 The far more likely scenario would be that the cops 1:48:49.720 --> 1:48:52.920 and the military are working to protect the property of 1:48:52.960 --> 1:48:57.280 the ruling class and carrying out the genocide on behalf 1:48:57.360 --> 1:49:01.640 of the ruling class. So yeah, the way these entities 1:49:01.720 --> 1:49:04.519 are portrayed in the movie does not track. 1:49:05.120 --> 1:49:08.160 I think there's just like a broader problem with sci 1:49:08.280 --> 1:49:13.080 fi often where genocide is kind of like this sort 1:49:13.120 --> 1:49:17.360 of like singular event, and I think it it's sort 1:49:17.400 --> 1:49:21.040 of like and it's happened in Star Wars, happens in 1:49:21.080 --> 1:49:24.280 like there was like a novel I read like a 1:49:24.360 --> 1:49:26.880 year after this. It was like a like a y 1:49:27.080 --> 1:49:31.200 novel that was like Earth becomes inhabitable and so ever 1:49:31.360 --> 1:49:34.720 moves to space and like there's like a genocide of 1:49:34.760 --> 1:49:38.080 like the space Arabs, and it's like the inciting incident 1:49:38.160 --> 1:49:42.080 for the novels, and it's just so casual of like 1:49:42.120 --> 1:49:46.400 the kind of aftermaths of like what genocide is, and 1:49:46.439 --> 1:49:49.479 it's often just this kind of like singular event. And 1:49:49.520 --> 1:49:53.799 I think that similarly, this movie is doing that, which 1:49:53.960 --> 1:49:57.519 I think is sort of why we have those sort 1:49:57.560 --> 1:50:00.160 of broader I mean, of course, I don't know, we're 1:50:00.200 --> 1:50:02.719 not how often we're gonna getting movies that are anti military, 1:50:02.720 --> 1:50:05.160 anti cop, like very rarely. If we're watching films that 1:50:05.160 --> 1:50:08.360 are two hundred million dollar budgets right like that, you're 1:50:08.400 --> 1:50:11.760 not gonna get that. But I think that like it 1:50:11.840 --> 1:50:14.920 is kind of like the Royals are bad because they 1:50:15.080 --> 1:50:17.800 do this one singular act and so there are no 1:50:17.920 --> 1:50:23.400 reverberations of this event, right, and so the I don't know, 1:50:23.439 --> 1:50:27.040 it's like so interesting, what who who does this? Like 1:50:27.080 --> 1:50:33.960 intergalactic space force answer to also is interesting. It's like 1:50:34.000 --> 1:50:37.519 who who is Who's in charge? Which also makes them 1:50:37.520 --> 1:50:41.120 feel like I don't know, I can't even like fathom 1:50:41.640 --> 1:50:43.840 a criticism of them because I'm like, they're nothing. 1:50:44.520 --> 1:50:47.920 Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's it's yeah, the speaking to 1:50:47.920 --> 1:50:52.640 to your point, like how this is presented in a 1:50:52.760 --> 1:50:54.760 very movie like way of, oh well, if you get 1:50:54.840 --> 1:51:00.280 rid of these three people, everything will be fine, and 1:51:00.320 --> 1:51:03.320 it's not like it's like I don't need Jupiter ascending 1:51:03.400 --> 1:51:05.160 to be like and here's what this is going to 1:51:05.200 --> 1:51:07.599 look like on a longer timeline. But I don't think 1:51:07.640 --> 1:51:11.479 it's unreasonable to want like something that feels like such 1:51:11.520 --> 1:51:16.200 a gaping hole in this plot is like that we 1:51:16.280 --> 1:51:20.080 don't even really feel at the end from jupiter stated 1:51:20.240 --> 1:51:25.920 intent to do better or that her I mean, we 1:51:26.040 --> 1:51:31.280 know that she she disagrees with the I want to 1:51:31.360 --> 1:51:38.440 keep using the dune name a Tredees, I'm thinking of Abrassics. Oh, 1:51:38.520 --> 1:51:42.400 we know that she knows that what the Abrassics family 1:51:42.479 --> 1:51:47.639 represents and their genocidal ideology is horrific, But we don't 1:51:47.680 --> 1:51:51.960 know what she is going to do. And that is like, 1:51:52.640 --> 1:51:56.960 it's very frustrating and bizarre in a movie that seems 1:51:57.000 --> 1:52:01.200 to want us to leave feeling like this character is 1:52:01.240 --> 1:52:05.360 going to do better and do differently, but we're just 1:52:05.360 --> 1:52:07.520 sort of told like and now she has a boyfriend. 1:52:08.000 --> 1:52:10.800 Yeah right, Well we learned that Earth is one of 1:52:10.920 --> 1:52:17.040 many planets, Yeah, that this dynasty harvests from. So is 1:52:17.080 --> 1:52:17.639 she going? 1:52:17.760 --> 1:52:19.880 So wouldn't this be the beginning of a revolution? 1:52:20.560 --> 1:52:24.040 Like exactly, Like wouldn't she try to? And maybe I 1:52:24.080 --> 1:52:26.080 mean this movie, this movie was planned to be the 1:52:26.120 --> 1:52:29.680 first of a franchise, so maybe in in sequels that 1:52:29.680 --> 1:52:32.040 would never happen because this movie was a flop at 1:52:32.040 --> 1:52:32.840 the box office. 1:52:33.040 --> 1:52:35.000 I feel like, I don't know, I should try. 1:52:35.000 --> 1:52:35.800 I guess. 1:52:37.000 --> 1:52:37.639 It's time. 1:52:38.240 --> 1:52:38.960 It's time. 1:52:39.280 --> 1:52:39.800 What I know. 1:52:41.680 --> 1:52:43.519 They were just about to tell us. 1:52:43.640 --> 1:52:48.000 We're just about to show her being the leader of 1:52:48.040 --> 1:52:53.200 a revolution, but oops, they forgot worth mentioning. And this 1:52:53.240 --> 1:52:56.680 is something we've talked about on many past episodes, so 1:52:56.800 --> 1:53:00.240 we don't necessarily need to harp on it a ton. 1:53:00.439 --> 1:53:04.320 But this is an action movie with a protagonist who 1:53:04.720 --> 1:53:08.600 is a woman who is not allowed to participate in 1:53:08.640 --> 1:53:10.639 the action most of the time. 1:53:11.240 --> 1:53:15.400 Oh, we should talk about it because it's egregious. Yeah, 1:53:15.479 --> 1:53:17.639 she does nothing like. 1:53:17.880 --> 1:53:20.760 Not only just like, as we've already talked about, she 1:53:20.800 --> 1:53:24.200 doesn't really make any active choices that propel the narrative forward. 1:53:24.960 --> 1:53:29.080 Nor does she participate in the actual like action sequences, 1:53:29.120 --> 1:53:32.200 any fight or chase sequences or anything like that. She 1:53:32.680 --> 1:53:38.240 is either having to be rescued. She is clinging to Cain, 1:53:38.400 --> 1:53:41.200 who is doing all of the action. And I did 1:53:41.280 --> 1:53:44.639 count like I think five different times where she needed 1:53:44.680 --> 1:53:50.200 to be rescued by Cain usually and again, going back 1:53:50.200 --> 1:53:52.560 to a comparison to the Matrix. 1:53:53.160 --> 1:53:54.960 Movies, starts with Trinity. 1:53:55.200 --> 1:53:59.200 It starts with Trinity kicking ass. It's about Neo, who 1:53:59.439 --> 1:54:03.880 again chosen One, had no prior combat experience, but in 1:54:03.920 --> 1:54:07.519 that movie he trains and he becomes a fighter, and 1:54:07.560 --> 1:54:10.559 then he fights in a bunch of fight scenes. Jupiter 1:54:10.760 --> 1:54:15.200 also had no prior fighting experience, but then is never trained. 1:54:15.240 --> 1:54:18.559 It never fights, never participates, And I have to imagine 1:54:18.640 --> 1:54:23.120 it's because Neo is a man and Jupiter is a woman. 1:54:23.160 --> 1:54:27.080 And which is all the more frustrating having this come 1:54:27.200 --> 1:54:31.679 from women filmmakers who are historically feminist filmmakers. They made 1:54:31.840 --> 1:54:35.920 bound right, What do you mean Jupiter isn't doing anything? Yeah? 1:54:36.080 --> 1:54:40.880 I know, you know, thinking back to the weird undressing 1:54:40.920 --> 1:54:45.640 while she's unconscious and putting things on. Even something like that, 1:54:45.760 --> 1:54:48.600 I feel like is asking for some kind of like 1:54:49.320 --> 1:54:53.000 mon taught, like outfit montage. You know, however corny or 1:54:53.160 --> 1:54:56.800 like silly that would have been. I feel like, like, 1:54:56.880 --> 1:54:59.520 you know, you get princess Diary's, you find out your royalty, 1:54:59.600 --> 1:55:02.560 you get a little makeover montage. And I don't want 1:55:02.680 --> 1:55:07.400 a makeover montage necessarily, but even that is something that 1:55:07.520 --> 1:55:12.080 is less abhorrent than being like total loss of agency 1:55:12.240 --> 1:55:16.400 of like you being undressed, well unconscious and then change 1:55:17.280 --> 1:55:19.960 where like I don't know, it feels like it feels 1:55:20.000 --> 1:55:22.080 in line with well, of course, she also doesn't get 1:55:22.080 --> 1:55:25.880 to learn to fight because she can't even try on 1:55:26.080 --> 1:55:28.600 outfits of her own free will. 1:55:29.000 --> 1:55:31.480 Well yeah, I mean with sad in mine, it's like 1:55:32.400 --> 1:55:36.040 one of the few things a lot of women protagonists 1:55:36.040 --> 1:55:39.640 do have is a way to telegraph their personality through 1:55:40.040 --> 1:55:43.840 what they're wearing. And Jupiter doesn't even get that because 1:55:43.920 --> 1:55:47.960 other people are undressing her, arguably via assault, so we 1:55:48.000 --> 1:55:51.040 don't even know like what her personal style is other 1:55:51.120 --> 1:55:55.920 than like what we see her wearing at work. I ah, man, yeah, 1:55:55.920 --> 1:55:58.960 I I that point about Neo makes so much sense 1:55:59.000 --> 1:56:00.480 because I was thinking a lot about how in the 1:56:00.480 --> 1:56:03.160 mid twenty tens there's a lot of talk about Mary 1:56:03.240 --> 1:56:07.720 too characters. Yeah, and like how I think it was 1:56:07.760 --> 1:56:11.960 sort of a kind of nothing argument in the case 1:56:12.000 --> 1:56:14.680 of some where, yes, there are definitely Mary Sue characters 1:56:14.680 --> 1:56:17.600 that are, you know, maybe frustrating, but I think that 1:56:17.600 --> 1:56:21.240 that exists with men as well, and is not hers 1:56:21.320 --> 1:56:23.640 back on half the same amount, and that it's an 1:56:23.640 --> 1:56:27.160 over correction usually weaponized by male critics. But it almost 1:56:27.200 --> 1:56:30.200 felt like with Jupiter it was like, oh, well, of course, 1:56:30.320 --> 1:56:32.440 you know, she's just a regular girl. She wouldn't know 1:56:32.440 --> 1:56:35.640 how to fight, And you're like, yeah, Neo was a 1:56:35.680 --> 1:56:36.480 regular guy. 1:56:36.720 --> 1:56:40.160 He was a computer programmer or something. 1:56:40.000 --> 1:56:43.879 But he learned how to fight and it was awesome 1:56:43.920 --> 1:56:47.280 to watch. But and also like part of this could 1:56:47.280 --> 1:56:49.560 be solved by writing, is like if we knew that 1:56:49.680 --> 1:56:52.320 even if Jupiter didn't have the ability she needed at 1:56:52.320 --> 1:56:57.080 the beginning, if she had the interest in astronomy, feels 1:56:57.120 --> 1:57:00.280 like the obvious thing. If she had an interest in 1:57:00.360 --> 1:57:05.280 something that could translate to a usable skill. But she's 1:57:05.360 --> 1:57:08.280 not given an interest or an ambition, and it's not 1:57:08.400 --> 1:57:12.280 translated to a usable skill. They don't even bother to 1:57:12.280 --> 1:57:14.360 give her an interest that doesn't really come up. 1:57:14.480 --> 1:57:16.960 Ever, they couldn't even just like given her like a 1:57:17.120 --> 1:57:19.960 gun or something. I don't know, Like what is this 1:57:20.240 --> 1:57:24.080 like advanced technology. She doesn't even get like a laser 1:57:24.160 --> 1:57:25.840 gun or something. I don't know. 1:57:26.080 --> 1:57:29.080 She doesn't even get to lay it like she yah. Yeah. 1:57:29.120 --> 1:57:32.640 Her big moment is telling Eddie Redmain, I'm not your mother, 1:57:32.840 --> 1:57:33.400 and you're. 1:57:33.280 --> 1:57:35.240 Like they're hitting him with like a crowbar. 1:57:37.280 --> 1:57:41.200 That is the one scene where she does some combat 1:57:41.680 --> 1:57:46.560 in this movie full of combat where they're scuffling. She 1:57:46.680 --> 1:57:50.280 picks up a pipe or something, gets a few good 1:57:50.480 --> 1:57:56.080 hits in, but then for some reason tosses her weapon aside, 1:57:56.360 --> 1:57:59.880 and he's still there. He could still very easily over 1:58:00.080 --> 1:58:00.560 power her. 1:58:00.680 --> 1:58:04.200 I mean any Redmid really just like pops up wherever 1:58:04.240 --> 1:58:07.440 the plot needs him to, where he's just like wink, 1:58:07.600 --> 1:58:08.760 here I am, and he's. 1:58:08.600 --> 1:58:11.680 Like I it. 1:58:11.760 --> 1:58:15.360 He's so weird because he disappears for like a full 1:58:15.480 --> 1:58:17.560 hour in the middle of the movie. 1:58:17.760 --> 1:58:21.400 Well he's scolding lizards at his last feeling what do 1:58:21.440 --> 1:58:24.520 you think he's doing? He is so funny in this 1:58:25.240 --> 1:58:28.920 he to be fair, I appreciate I've watched a video 1:58:29.000 --> 1:58:31.640 he gave a video of an interview he gave on 1:58:31.680 --> 1:58:34.760 the Red Carpet at the Oscars where he was about 1:58:34.760 --> 1:58:39.000 to I think win for thory of Everything. Again, I 1:58:39.040 --> 1:58:41.440 haven't seen it, but he he did have a very 1:58:41.440 --> 1:58:47.240 good attitude about winning the Razzie. He said quote, I 1:58:47.360 --> 1:58:51.400 gave what I thought was a very bold performance, but 1:58:51.480 --> 1:58:56.160 it turned out to be a bit disastrous. And first 1:58:56.200 --> 1:58:58.880 of all, don't be so hard on yourself, King, And 1:58:58.960 --> 1:59:02.400 second of all, I just appreciate when someone takes something 1:59:02.480 --> 1:59:05.720 like that in stride. And it wouldn't be his last 1:59:05.800 --> 1:59:08.680 big swing that people didn't care for. If you recall 1:59:08.760 --> 1:59:12.080 him recently appearing in Cabaret, where a lot of people 1:59:12.320 --> 1:59:16.280 did not appreciate Eddie Redmain's swing. I can't speak to it, 1:59:16.440 --> 1:59:20.720 but yeah, he uh, he swings and he misses. 1:59:20.840 --> 1:59:22.720 Well, he was just doing what all of them were 1:59:22.800 --> 1:59:26.360 doing for seven months, busting their humps. 1:59:26.840 --> 1:59:31.280 Look, humps were being busted. I appreciated the swing. 1:59:31.480 --> 1:59:35.480 Yeah, I would say that, like I don't know as 1:59:35.520 --> 1:59:38.880 much as I and like, you know, this movie's bad, 1:59:38.920 --> 1:59:40.880 I love it in all of the ways that it's bad. 1:59:41.000 --> 1:59:44.040 I think Eddie Redmain is doing exactly like what you. 1:59:43.920 --> 1:59:45.600 Want what the movie for. 1:59:46.080 --> 1:59:49.440 Yeah, and it's really fun, Like I find it very 1:59:49.440 --> 1:59:53.440 compelling I enjoy the choices he's making and like, I 1:59:53.480 --> 1:59:56.520 don't know, like it's it's weird and it's kind of like, 1:59:56.560 --> 1:59:59.840 well why not. I don't know, like let's go for. 2:00:00.080 --> 2:00:03.480 That's us Like that's a Wachowski movie too of like yeah, 2:00:03.040 --> 2:00:07.040 you're you're a weird villain. I don't know. Yeah, I 2:00:07.040 --> 2:00:10.080 thought it was fun. I like I think that as 2:00:10.080 --> 2:00:13.120 you're talking about this summer, it feels like, I don't know, 2:00:13.240 --> 2:00:15.560 this is how I feel a lot about like I 2:00:15.720 --> 2:00:21.040 Frankenstein sometimes where you're just like it is unquestionably a 2:00:21.080 --> 2:00:25.080 swing and a miss, but everyone is. You can really 2:00:25.200 --> 2:00:30.920 feel everyone being like we're gonna do something cool here, 2:00:31.480 --> 2:00:34.000 and I just like cannot help but be charmed by 2:00:34.040 --> 2:00:37.520 it even though it never comes together. 2:00:38.080 --> 2:00:41.840 It's like, isn't it so cool to try something? You know? 2:00:43.120 --> 2:00:48.240 It's beautiful? Yeah, I don't know. I just I think 2:00:48.320 --> 2:00:52.760 that they should give the Razzie to someone else. There's 2:00:52.840 --> 2:00:55.720 a few out there. There's other women in this movie. 2:00:55.960 --> 2:00:59.480 There were not many that we really get to know 2:00:59.720 --> 2:01:04.640 very well, but I did want to shout out. Familists 2:01:06.400 --> 2:01:11.160 character played by Googa, who has been in a bunch 2:01:11.200 --> 2:01:15.280 of things. She is a half human half deer. 2:01:16.080 --> 2:01:17.400 Oh those are deer ears. 2:01:17.840 --> 2:01:21.360 Yes, those are deer ears. They look like gigantic mouse ears, 2:01:21.360 --> 2:01:25.440 but they are deer ears played by a very talented 2:01:25.640 --> 2:01:30.800 actor who is being underused. We also have Captain of 2:01:30.960 --> 2:01:34.920 the aegis Diamika. I think I don't know if we 2:01:34.960 --> 2:01:37.040 hear her name spoken out loud very often, but we. 2:01:37.000 --> 2:01:39.480 Do, keeping her like captain singh. 2:01:39.200 --> 2:01:42.839 Yes, yeah, but we see her a number of times. 2:01:43.520 --> 2:01:48.640 She is generally just commenting on what others are doing. 2:01:48.720 --> 2:01:53.000 But hey, so is Jupiter, and she she has I 2:01:53.000 --> 2:01:57.680 think a fair amount of presence in the movie. She's there. Yeah, 2:01:59.560 --> 2:02:00.280 that my it. 2:02:01.640 --> 2:02:07.360 That's more or less. It's it did seem like casting wise, 2:02:07.480 --> 2:02:12.120 there was a commitment to casting not just white people. 2:02:12.880 --> 2:02:16.400 It's mostly white people in the main roles. 2:02:16.680 --> 2:02:18.720 I was gonna say, with characters who have impact on 2:02:18.760 --> 2:02:20.520 the plot. And I do think it is still majority 2:02:20.520 --> 2:02:21.400 of the white characters. 2:02:21.600 --> 2:02:22.280 This is true. 2:02:22.520 --> 2:02:26.480 Like the Bee people didn't need to be white, you. 2:02:26.440 --> 2:02:31.520 Know, certainly not Why yeah, why is Sean Bee would 2:02:31.720 --> 2:02:32.720 be there? They can you know. 2:02:33.520 --> 2:02:38.600 I It's all just it's just like who would I 2:02:38.720 --> 2:02:42.920 wish into this scenario. I don't know who is mister Knight. 2:02:44.440 --> 2:02:47.879 What what is that? A character who. 2:02:47.760 --> 2:02:50.880 Is mister Knight? I was not quite I gave up 2:02:50.920 --> 2:02:53.840 on trying to figure out who mister Knight was and 2:02:53.960 --> 2:02:55.640 just decided to enjoy the ride. 2:02:55.760 --> 2:02:58.400 Well, think of it like, think of it in terms 2:02:58.400 --> 2:03:06.480 of minions. I love to Balamist group. Mister Knight is 2:03:06.480 --> 2:03:08.680 probably like Kevin Kevin Lemgnon. 2:03:08.920 --> 2:03:12.440 He kind of is kind of Kevin coded, isn't he? 2:03:12.440 --> 2:03:15.600 He reminded me of Summer. Did you ever read Circu Freak? 2:03:17.720 --> 2:03:20.280 I loved circ to Freak when I was a kid. 2:03:20.640 --> 2:03:23.720 That was my like pre Twilight Vampire book. It was 2:03:23.760 --> 2:03:27.760 like for preteens and there's a villain in there that 2:03:27.880 --> 2:03:29.760 even when I was a kid, I was like, all right, 2:03:30.000 --> 2:03:34.120 this is getting ridiculous. There's a character named Desmond Tiny 2:03:34.480 --> 2:03:41.320 aka des Tiny Destiny, and even at the time, I 2:03:41.360 --> 2:03:43.560 was like, all right, all right, this is too much 2:03:43.840 --> 2:03:47.560 and I'm ten. Mister Knight feels like that where you're 2:03:47.640 --> 2:03:53.080 like it's like, what do you look? Sure? I'm ten, 2:03:53.240 --> 2:03:58.080 but I'm not. I can read. I can handle something 2:03:58.120 --> 2:04:03.160 more complicated than mister Knight, but they didn't believe it. Yeah, 2:04:03.360 --> 2:04:07.360 does Tiny. I will never stop thinking about Desmond tiny. 2:04:08.240 --> 2:04:15.000 I'll never stop thinking about stinger a Penie stinger pee uh. 2:04:15.080 --> 2:04:18.320 Thinking about the women. I think it is a bummer 2:04:18.360 --> 2:04:21.200 that the sister of the family kind of has the 2:04:21.280 --> 2:04:25.920 least amount to do of the siblings. I guess she 2:04:26.040 --> 2:04:30.680 does reveal like how how their youth works, and that's 2:04:30.720 --> 2:04:35.160 like important, plot relevant, but I don't know, like they 2:04:35.240 --> 2:04:38.640 all have a weird, like erotic relationship with this woman 2:04:38.680 --> 2:04:42.360 that looks like their mom. Couldn't she have tricked the marriage? 2:04:42.440 --> 2:04:43.360 I don't know, I don't know. 2:04:43.440 --> 2:04:47.600 I know, it's like it's not like I more. Yeah, 2:04:47.640 --> 2:04:50.160 I was like the other two were being so evil 2:04:50.480 --> 2:04:53.240 that it's like it does feel like she mostly just 2:04:53.240 --> 2:04:54.840 sets up the plot and she's like we would get 2:04:54.840 --> 2:04:58.360 along great, yeah, and then she's gone, and you're like me, 2:04:58.440 --> 2:05:01.600 of all her brothers are you know, well especially I 2:05:01.600 --> 2:05:05.520 think Titus Titus, Titus is the weirdest of all. 2:05:05.800 --> 2:05:10.080 So Titus is the youngest, right, Yes, Okay, I've been, 2:05:10.240 --> 2:05:14.640 I've been. I've been very Bridgerton pilled lately. And so 2:05:14.680 --> 2:05:18.920 I was thinking about, like, you know, like the inheritance 2:05:19.280 --> 2:05:22.640 in a royal family or like a wealthy family, and 2:05:22.640 --> 2:05:25.040 it's like, oh yeah, I guess. I guess the youngest 2:05:25.720 --> 2:05:29.880 son would be the most evil because he doesn't he 2:05:29.960 --> 2:05:32.200 has the least inheritance. 2:05:33.280 --> 2:05:35.640 Or like the most heads to chop to arrive at 2:05:35.640 --> 2:05:41.400 an inheritance. Yeah, yeah, he he definitely. I was like, Wow, 2:05:41.480 --> 2:05:45.960 he really makes to me because Baalam is so I 2:05:45.960 --> 2:05:50.160 mean iconic, but his his goals are vague, and I 2:05:50.200 --> 2:05:53.120 think part of what makes Titus diabolical is that he's 2:05:53.200 --> 2:05:56.680 also like two horny, which is a great quality and 2:05:56.720 --> 2:06:01.720 a villain. Ballum is just kind of pacing around his 2:06:01.800 --> 2:06:05.520 office yelling at dinosaurs, and his whole thing is I 2:06:05.560 --> 2:06:09.240 start a sentence loud and then I ended very quiet, 2:06:09.920 --> 2:06:15.240 and I like, he's just doing something totally different. But Titus, 2:06:15.240 --> 2:06:17.600 I feel like, is to me the scariest of the three. 2:06:17.680 --> 2:06:22.160 And I agree that, like, you know, not that I whatever, like, 2:06:22.480 --> 2:06:25.600 if we're gonna have three villains, then don't make the 2:06:25.960 --> 2:06:29.160 women of them kind of just like vaguely threatening. 2:06:29.480 --> 2:06:31.680 Yeah, And she's kind of just there. I don't know, 2:06:31.800 --> 2:06:34.840 like I don't know where her goals are necessarily, I 2:06:34.840 --> 2:06:35.240 don't know. 2:06:35.720 --> 2:06:38.160 They all want to manipulate Jupiter in some ways so 2:06:38.200 --> 2:06:41.600 that they can have access to Earth. They go about 2:06:41.600 --> 2:06:43.800 it different ways, and many of those ways don't really 2:06:43.840 --> 2:06:44.800 make any sense. 2:06:45.480 --> 2:06:49.280 But it seems like Kaliku's goals being or like the 2:06:49.480 --> 2:06:53.640 information collique in parts, being related to physical beauty also 2:06:53.720 --> 2:06:58.640 feels very gender yes, because this is not something that 2:06:58.680 --> 2:07:03.040 the men are really bringing up in the same context. Again, 2:07:03.120 --> 2:07:07.400 so whoever is editing this Wikipedia page clearly shares our 2:07:07.440 --> 2:07:11.440 opinions because in the description. The character description for Khalik 2:07:12.200 --> 2:07:17.080 tuppens Middleson as Khaleik Abersach's second primary of the ballum 2:07:17.120 --> 2:07:20.520 and Titus's sister whose motives appear to be less business 2:07:20.520 --> 2:07:23.400 oriented than her brother's, which I think is a polite 2:07:23.440 --> 2:07:28.680 way of saying, so what does she want? Like it 2:07:28.720 --> 2:07:30.720 seems like she might just want a friend. 2:07:31.240 --> 2:07:31.560 Yeah. 2:07:31.720 --> 2:07:35.520 Also, I didn't know that Terry Gilliam has a cameo 2:07:35.560 --> 2:07:41.120 in this movie. Whoa who the seal insignet minister, the 2:07:41.160 --> 2:07:46.400 bureaucrat who confirms Jupiter's title to Earth, And I like 2:07:46.520 --> 2:07:49.240 Terry Gillium. I wouldn't recon it, but that's Terry Gillium. 2:07:49.280 --> 2:07:50.880 And and that was like a big deal for the 2:07:50.960 --> 2:07:53.560 Wochowskis because they love Terry Gillium. So that's kind of 2:07:53.560 --> 2:07:54.520 fun good for those. 2:07:55.080 --> 2:07:56.120 Yeah, that's sweet. 2:07:56.200 --> 2:07:59.680 He directed one of my favorite movies ever, Earned Twelve Monkeys. 2:08:00.160 --> 2:08:04.080 He's great and definitely like a big influence on The Wachowski. 2:08:04.160 --> 2:08:06.600 So I thought that was sweet. I wish it was 2:08:06.720 --> 2:08:09.200 in a different movie, but also kind of awesome because 2:08:09.280 --> 2:08:12.640 Terry gilliam has also liked the Wachowski has made a 2:08:12.640 --> 2:08:16.920 lot of swings, some of which have connected and some 2:08:17.560 --> 2:08:21.160 not so much. And that's what Also the fact that 2:08:21.240 --> 2:08:24.480 they were making I haven't seen Cloud Outless before, but 2:08:24.520 --> 2:08:27.160 that the fact that they were they were working, they 2:08:27.160 --> 2:08:29.120 were finishing Cloud out Lists at the time that they 2:08:29.120 --> 2:08:32.120 were working on Jupiter Ascending, and you're just like they 2:08:32.200 --> 2:08:34.880 just had a rough twenty tens, Like there's no way 2:08:34.920 --> 2:08:35.400 around it. 2:08:35.680 --> 2:08:39.440 Yeah, I saw Cloud out Lists and it's maybe not 2:08:40.080 --> 2:08:44.240 their best work, to put it lightly, that's okay, But 2:08:44.560 --> 2:08:47.440 we all just have to go watch speed Racer too. 2:08:47.520 --> 2:08:48.960 Yeah, let's go to speed Racer. 2:08:49.240 --> 2:08:51.760 Let's do it. Does anyone have anything else they'd like 2:08:51.880 --> 2:08:52.720 to talk about? 2:08:54.120 --> 2:08:58.160 Just the loose the like aerial fight at the beginning 2:08:58.280 --> 2:09:05.680 between the Bounty Hunters came so long, so long, and 2:09:05.720 --> 2:09:09.200 it's like there's your Star Wars, you know, It's like 2:09:09.480 --> 2:09:13.400 very very much like pod Racer, Phantom Menace vibes. 2:09:13.640 --> 2:09:17.200 It is, it is, it is, It is very Prequels vibes. 2:09:17.280 --> 2:09:20.000 It's so funny to be like, let's take the thing 2:09:20.040 --> 2:09:22.200 that people famously hated. 2:09:23.440 --> 2:09:26.000 And do it too, do it again, much like the Prequels. 2:09:26.040 --> 2:09:29.560 My eyes glazed over immediately, and you're like, unfortunately, there 2:09:29.600 --> 2:09:32.480 goes probably one hundred and fifty million dollars, and I 2:09:32.640 --> 2:09:37.760 just like, I'm like, okay, so where's Channing Tatum dug. 2:09:37.760 --> 2:09:41.120 Well, especially because it's characters who we do not know 2:09:41.720 --> 2:09:44.760 what role they plan the story. Yeah, Channing Tatum is there. 2:09:44.840 --> 2:09:50.120 His character will become we will come to understand his significance, 2:09:50.160 --> 2:09:52.240 but at this point we don't know who the fuck 2:09:52.480 --> 2:09:55.240 he is, and the movie doesn't make it clear. So 2:09:55.280 --> 2:09:57.760 now we're just watching a bunch of random ass people 2:09:59.000 --> 2:10:01.920 flying around on gravity boots and we're just like, why 2:10:01.960 --> 2:10:03.840 am I watching this? Who are these people? What? 2:10:04.400 --> 2:10:04.720 Well? 2:10:04.920 --> 2:10:07.440 And the fact and this is again like we're like 2:10:08.320 --> 2:10:10.040 snake eating it's on tail at this point, but I'm 2:10:10.120 --> 2:10:14.280 having so much fun. Like the two characters we meet 2:10:14.760 --> 2:10:18.160 in the introduction have no bearing on the plot. Jupiter's 2:10:18.200 --> 2:10:21.280 parents no bearing on the plot, the father least of all. 2:10:21.440 --> 2:10:21.640 Yeah. 2:10:21.720 --> 2:10:24.480 Yeah, and the mother may be in some draft, but 2:10:24.640 --> 2:10:27.320 not in what we get. So it's like we meet 2:10:27.520 --> 2:10:33.200 two characters very intentionally and basically never interact with them again, 2:10:33.360 --> 2:10:37.360 except very superficially in the case of Jupiter's mom. Yes, 2:10:37.400 --> 2:10:39.400 and then like you're saying, like, then we meet all 2:10:39.480 --> 2:10:42.360 these other characters who we have no attachment or stakes too. 2:10:43.000 --> 2:10:46.000 And unless you watch this movie five times, you don't 2:10:46.000 --> 2:10:49.600 even know that Sean Bean is half honey bee. And 2:10:49.680 --> 2:10:51.960 I really feel like they should really bash you over 2:10:52.000 --> 2:10:54.160 the head with that information because that's so awesome. 2:10:54.680 --> 2:10:58.080 Yes, I do love the scene of all of the 2:10:58.080 --> 2:11:02.120 bees like coming to her. I find it very pretty 2:11:02.240 --> 2:11:07.640 with the like the the plants. Yeah, it's like, all right, 2:11:08.160 --> 2:11:10.880 another like fifty million right there, because they must be 2:11:10.960 --> 2:11:12.800 cgi bees, right, they got it? 2:11:12.880 --> 2:11:14.920 Oh yeah, what if they just threw a hive of 2:11:15.000 --> 2:11:17.440 bees at Mailicunis? That would be so wild? 2:11:17.720 --> 2:11:19.600 They did, do you that? On Supernatures? 2:11:20.360 --> 2:11:20.760 Whoa? 2:11:21.520 --> 2:11:26.120 They say more wait, okay for listeners that may somehow 2:11:26.280 --> 2:11:31.200 not know Summer is the I was a premier supernatural scholar. 2:11:31.720 --> 2:11:32.120 Thank you. 2:11:32.640 --> 2:11:33.000 Yes. 2:11:33.560 --> 2:11:38.800 In an episode in season one, they sic a swarm 2:11:38.840 --> 2:11:43.360 of bees on to Jensen Acles and Jared Padaluki. It 2:11:43.480 --> 2:11:45.960 is an episode called Bugs. There's lots of bugs in 2:11:46.000 --> 2:11:49.200 it and they're like real, real bees and they are 2:11:49.360 --> 2:11:53.360 in enclosed space. And then it didn't show up well 2:11:53.400 --> 2:11:59.520 on camera and so they did SEEGI the bees anyway, Andy, 2:11:59.680 --> 2:12:03.240 just like through bees on these guys, and this is 2:12:03.240 --> 2:12:06.320 like season one, and so it's like, you know, you 2:12:06.360 --> 2:12:08.400 can't what can you? What can you say? 2:12:08.880 --> 2:12:09.160 You know. 2:12:10.720 --> 2:12:13.880 You don't have that much power, right, They're forcing me 2:12:13.920 --> 2:12:15.520 into a room with bees. And I think about it 2:12:15.600 --> 2:12:20.360 every time I see bees in any film, any movie, 2:12:20.760 --> 2:12:22.160 and I'm just like, yeah, I remember. 2:12:23.040 --> 2:12:23.480 Wow. 2:12:23.640 --> 2:12:27.200 My friend Nina texted me today. It was like because 2:12:27.240 --> 2:12:30.200 she saw that I had logged Jupiter Ascending on letterbox 2:12:30.880 --> 2:12:33.200 and she was just like, I think of this movie 2:12:33.240 --> 2:12:35.840 every time I see bees. Ten out of ten. I 2:12:35.880 --> 2:12:38.440 was like, that's beautiful a movie. And now I will 2:12:38.440 --> 2:12:41.360 think of Jupiter Ascending every time I see bees. 2:12:41.840 --> 2:12:44.960 I really will, I mean, and I do. I think 2:12:45.000 --> 2:12:52.000 of bees are genetically designed to recognize royalty, Like that's 2:12:52.040 --> 2:12:55.440 my b movie script, just like it's just in there 2:12:55.600 --> 2:12:58.960 all the time. Yeah, I do. I think it's I 2:12:58.960 --> 2:13:02.200 think it's a lot of like cool looking things in 2:13:02.240 --> 2:13:02.800 this movie. 2:13:03.120 --> 2:13:06.160 I mean visually, like I think the world building, the 2:13:06.160 --> 2:13:11.480 production design. Yeah, visually like the movie is pretty good. 2:13:12.040 --> 2:13:14.920 Yeah, I mean it's like you are getting the Wachowski treatment, 2:13:15.000 --> 2:13:16.600 like it is a visual feast. 2:13:17.000 --> 2:13:21.160 Yeah. I always think about Jupiter's like wedding dress, the 2:13:22.080 --> 2:13:24.280 like the head piece, and like how her hair is 2:13:25.360 --> 2:13:31.280 so cool, like very like pop star. You know, yes, 2:13:31.760 --> 2:13:34.520 I love that. I feel like I always misremember the 2:13:34.560 --> 2:13:37.200 outfits as like more fabulous than they are, Like they're 2:13:37.240 --> 2:13:40.400 kind of the dresses themselves are kind of like simple. 2:13:40.600 --> 2:13:43.840 But yeah, just that that hair so gorgeous. 2:13:44.320 --> 2:13:49.280 Yeah, yeah, well it passes the Bactels test. Actually it does. 2:13:49.640 --> 2:13:52.840 Look look, there's no way around it. Mila Kunis meets 2:13:52.880 --> 2:13:56.560 a lot of blonde women in this movie, and there 2:13:56.640 --> 2:14:00.560 are like brief exchanges she has with her mother, her aunt, 2:14:01.400 --> 2:14:03.120 with the sister. 2:14:04.720 --> 2:14:06.839 Khaleiku and Khalik. 2:14:07.440 --> 2:14:11.840 I will say that, like most interactions that Miela Kunas 2:14:11.880 --> 2:14:14.600 has with anyone of any gener in this movie, it 2:14:14.680 --> 2:14:16.920 is mostly her just being like either saying hello, I'm 2:14:16.960 --> 2:14:20.840 Jupiter Jones or saying hello, where am I? What is this? 2:14:22.120 --> 2:14:25.480 But those are important interactions because I would also like 2:14:25.560 --> 2:14:28.000 to know where she is and what is this. 2:14:28.840 --> 2:14:31.320 And then there's that one scene where she says call me. 2:14:31.400 --> 2:14:34.600 Joop, Like what do you mean? 2:14:35.640 --> 2:14:37.200 Since when do you go by Joop? 2:14:37.880 --> 2:14:40.160 She like just decided that surely. 2:14:40.360 --> 2:14:43.720 Well, she's in space. Now she's reinventing herself. It's like 2:14:43.760 --> 2:14:45.720 when you go to college and you're like, I have 2:14:45.800 --> 2:14:47.200 a I'm a new person. 2:14:47.560 --> 2:14:50.480 It reminded me of a very humiliating like week in 2:14:50.520 --> 2:14:53.000 middle school for me where I both tried to get 2:14:53.000 --> 2:14:57.120 people to call to call me JJ and when that 2:14:57.160 --> 2:15:01.560 didn't stick, I was like, how about mem? And neither 2:15:01.640 --> 2:15:05.560 of them stuck j me me and I get it. 2:15:05.920 --> 2:15:09.200 I've never had a nickname. This really worked out for 2:15:09.240 --> 2:15:12.800 me in my life. But that's okay. It's okay, it's 2:15:12.800 --> 2:15:14.880 a short name. It's fine. 2:15:16.600 --> 2:15:19.879 It does pass the Bechtel test. What about our nipple scale, 2:15:20.000 --> 2:15:23.080 the scale where we rate the movie zero to five 2:15:23.160 --> 2:15:27.560 nipples based on examining it through an intersectional feminist lens. 2:15:27.360 --> 2:15:29.680 Summer, I almost want to let you go first. You're 2:15:29.680 --> 2:15:33.600 the expert, like tell us, oh my god. 2:15:34.040 --> 2:15:38.360 It's like it's like the jubiter ascending in my head five, 2:15:40.000 --> 2:15:44.520 But it's got to be like one, like there are 2:15:44.560 --> 2:15:48.760 women present and they talk to each other. But and 2:15:48.960 --> 2:15:51.560 you know what, I think I'll give it to any 2:15:51.640 --> 2:15:52.080 red name. 2:15:53.480 --> 2:15:58.480 Paradoxically, it's like I do think, I don't know he's 2:15:59.040 --> 2:16:02.080 he's putting his he's giving it his own, he's busting 2:16:02.120 --> 2:16:07.960 his hump over there. Yeah, I think I'll be either. 2:16:08.000 --> 2:16:10.600 I might go one and a half because it's like 2:16:11.000 --> 2:16:13.400 you can feel intent. I want to believe there's a 2:16:13.520 --> 2:16:17.080 draft of this script that really gets it there. The 2:16:17.160 --> 2:16:22.000 witch housekis are feminist icons, which makes this movie very confusing, 2:16:22.920 --> 2:16:25.760 and going back to your earlier point Summer, that this 2:16:25.960 --> 2:16:28.880 movie that is like is trying to say something about 2:16:28.880 --> 2:16:33.520 colonization but then really kind of refuses to at the 2:16:33.640 --> 2:16:37.600 end is bizarre, especially because we are like given a 2:16:37.720 --> 2:16:41.560 character that you would think would have strong feelings about this. 2:16:42.480 --> 2:16:48.039 It's just a weird one. Women are there, and so. 2:16:49.920 --> 2:16:51.119 One and a half. 2:16:53.040 --> 2:16:55.600 I'm giving one to Eddie Redmond and I'm giving half 2:16:55.600 --> 2:16:56.120 to the Bees. 2:16:57.560 --> 2:17:00.200 If I will give the movie, I think I think 2:17:00.240 --> 2:17:03.080 also one and a half. 2:17:03.720 --> 2:17:09.600 Because oh no, this is the episode that breaks the 2:17:09.640 --> 2:17:13.400 system where you're like, what what do things for me. 2:17:13.840 --> 2:17:19.240 Doesn't mean because of reasons. And that's exactly what I 2:17:19.320 --> 2:17:22.240 kept writing in my recap the first time I watched 2:17:22.240 --> 2:17:25.800 this movie. They do things because of reasons. 2:17:25.400 --> 2:17:27.920 And sometimes the reasons have become clear with time. 2:17:28.080 --> 2:17:31.039 Yeah, and sometimes not so much. So I'm gonna I'm 2:17:31.040 --> 2:17:34.080 gonna keep it vague. But also we just we just 2:17:34.120 --> 2:17:38.000 talked for over two hours, so I've already said my piece. 2:17:38.160 --> 2:17:41.199 It felt it felt earned. I'm like there, I could 2:17:41.200 --> 2:17:45.840 have kept going there. There's I have more questions. Did 2:17:45.920 --> 2:17:49.400 telescopes really cost four thousand dollars? I mean, I have 2:17:49.440 --> 2:17:50.640 so many more questions. 2:17:51.200 --> 2:17:56.120 Great question. I'm gonna give one nipple to the scene 2:17:56.160 --> 2:18:00.840 where Titus is having a floating space or Yeah. 2:18:00.879 --> 2:18:02.640 I can't believe we didn't even talk about that. 2:18:03.520 --> 2:18:06.439 It's that kind of movie. It's that kind of movie. 2:18:06.360 --> 2:18:06.560 Yeah. 2:18:06.600 --> 2:18:09.120 And then okay, and then my half nipple goes to 2:18:10.040 --> 2:18:15.560 the scene where Jupiter puts a pad on Caine's bleeding wound. 2:18:15.640 --> 2:18:18.640 Oh my god, how did we not talk about that clearly? 2:18:18.720 --> 2:18:19.320 This car? 2:18:20.360 --> 2:18:22.800 What is it lucky for you? This car belongs to 2:18:22.840 --> 2:18:24.720 a woman's time. And then she pulls out like an 2:18:24.760 --> 2:18:29.280 overnight MAXI pad unwrapped out of the glove compartment. 2:18:29.000 --> 2:18:35.039 And then she sticks the adhesive side on his wound, which, 2:18:35.120 --> 2:18:36.160 what the hell is that gonna do? 2:18:36.240 --> 2:18:42.320 That's not absorbent, hurts kind of blood, which also feels 2:18:42.400 --> 2:18:44.879 very astormative for a movie made by two trans women. 2:18:44.959 --> 2:18:51.280 It you see, I can't believe did there's that much 2:18:51.280 --> 2:18:53.840 going on in Jupiter Ascending and he's a side up. 2:18:53.920 --> 2:18:56.880 I'm like, does she hate does she hate him? That's 2:18:56.920 --> 2:18:58.519 going to make the problem. 2:18:58.200 --> 2:19:01.160 Far worse, way worse. Yeah, and yes, it happens right 2:19:01.160 --> 2:19:06.560 before the bees. Yeah, it just it's it's cinema. It's cinema. 2:19:07.800 --> 2:19:08.520 That's a movie. 2:19:08.600 --> 2:19:10.600 It is a movie that feels like a movie. 2:19:10.840 --> 2:19:14.560 It really does feel like that movie. Summer. Thank you 2:19:14.640 --> 2:19:16.200 so much for joining us. 2:19:16.560 --> 2:19:18.920 Thank you so much for having me. This is so 2:19:19.040 --> 2:19:19.640 much fun. 2:19:19.920 --> 2:19:22.280 This was a blast. I feel like I could do 2:19:22.360 --> 2:19:25.560 this episode again and have it completely new thoughts. 2:19:26.200 --> 2:19:29.240 I feel like I have ascended to a new plane 2:19:29.280 --> 2:19:33.560 of existence. So thank you for that. Tell us where 2:19:33.600 --> 2:19:38.160 people can buy your book? Find your work plug away. 2:19:38.400 --> 2:19:43.200 So my book. You can buy it through host Publications 2:19:43.280 --> 2:19:49.080 website or check out your local bookstore. We distribute through Asterism. 2:19:49.560 --> 2:19:54.560 You can follow me. 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