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Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have.

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Speaker 2: Women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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Speaker 2: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and

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Speaker 2: Beast start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Jupiter Loftis, it's me Capricorn Dorante.

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Speaker 4: Wait, don't you mean Cane Dorante o Caine?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Cane Jupiter.

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Speaker 4: Loftis and Cane Durrante. That didn't even really connect for me,

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Speaker 4: But in a way we're kind of meant to be.

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Speaker 4: I'll just keep being like, what's this, and then you'll

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Speaker 4: tell me, and then we'll go to another room and

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Speaker 4: I'll be like, what's this? And then you'll tell me.

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Speaker 3: And then sometimes you'll be like can we make out

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Speaker 3: right now? And then I'll be like, no.

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Speaker 4: I do feel weirdly. I mean, it's like it's obviously

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Speaker 4: a mess. But there are certain times in life where

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Speaker 4: you're presented with an existential problem and your response to

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Speaker 4: it is, hm, should we kiss? You're like focus, focus, dude.

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Speaker 4: You were just told you own the world and your

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Speaker 4: response was should I kiss my wolf? Boyfriend? And I

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Speaker 4: think that we have had emotional situations not us specifically,

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Speaker 4: but also us specifically, where you're like, you're presented with

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Speaker 4: an existential question and you're like, let's focus on something manageable,

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Speaker 4: like should we kiss? And already I've put more emotional

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Speaker 4: thought into the character of Jupiter Jones, who came out

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Speaker 4: I think the same year as Jessica Jones. I kept

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Speaker 4: Jupiter Jones Jessica Jones. I really liked that show when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot about that for some reason.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I didn't welcome to the Bextel cast. My name

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Speaker 4: is Jupiter.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Cain Durante, and together we will ascend. We

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Speaker 3: will ascend to where I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Neither does something eugenics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh gosh, this is our show where we demon

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Speaker 3: movies through an intersexual feminist lens, using the Bechdel Test

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Speaker 3: simply as a jumping off point. But Jamie Wood on

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Speaker 3: Earth is that Earth that is owned by by Jupiter Jones.

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Speaker 4: Jupiter Jones, not that she understands what that means or

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Speaker 4: has much interest in it, which is maybe praxis. I

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: So the Bechdel test is media metric created by friend

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Speaker 4: of the show, our dear pal, Alison Bechtel. It is

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Speaker 4: a media magic that's existed since the eighties, but it

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Speaker 4: has since been adapted into a mainstream metric. Our version

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Speaker 4: requires that two characters of a marginalized gender speak to

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Speaker 4: each other about something other than a man for more

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Speaker 4: than two lines of dialogue. And this is actually the

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Speaker 4: Bechtel test is going to be an amazing tool to

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Speaker 4: use today because how many times can a movie past

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Speaker 4: the Bechdel test and it just be Mila Kunis introducing

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Speaker 4: herself to another blonde woman. That is I would say

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Speaker 4: a good seventy five percent of the Bechdel test passes

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Speaker 4: in this movie. And sure, two characters reading is technically important,

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Speaker 4: but it is less than ideal. And that's the episode

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Speaker 4: we did it and bye. But yes, that's the Bechdel test.

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Speaker 4: And today we have been brought the challenge of a lifetime.

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Speaker 4: We have been brought to ascend, and we have an

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Speaker 4: incredible returning guest to us, to ascend us, to ascend

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Speaker 4: with us, to ascend.

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Speaker 3: Us all of the above. She is a Palestinian American

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Speaker 3: writer from California. She is the author of The Hungering

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Speaker 3: Years You remember her from our episode on Julie and Julia,

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Speaker 3: and she is calling on you to recommit yourself to

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Speaker 3: the liberation of the Palestinian people. Every day it's summer Farah,

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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Hi. Oh my goodness, I've been keeping my giggles silent.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to do silence anymore. Don't silence yourself. Yay, Hi,

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Speaker 4: welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Julie, Julia, Jupiter. I'm sensing a pattern.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, names that start with Jay you you, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Julia and Julia and Jupiter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's how we can connect them.

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Speaker 4: Well, but before we get into this, because we could

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Speaker 4: barely contain ourselves off, Mike, there's so much to talk about. First,

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Speaker 4: you just had a new poetry collection come out, The

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Speaker 4: Hungering Years. We want to hear all about it all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I had a collection called The Hungering Years come

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Speaker 1: out with Host Publications. They are a small press based

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Speaker 1: your friends, and the kind of orienting philosophy of a

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Speaker 1: lot of it is like excess and too muchness, which

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Speaker 1: is why I thought Jupiter is Snding would be a

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing the connection.

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Speaker 4: I The last time I saw you, we discussed this

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Speaker 4: now having seen it, I can't wrap my head around it.

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited too, because this is I think I

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Speaker 4: was mixing this movie up with something else. First of all,

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Speaker 4: I don't know who I thought directed this, but this

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Speaker 4: is a this is what Chowski's joined. Oh yeah, this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yet incredibly respected directors, and it's like icons, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know why everyone said yes to doing this? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely right, Like you know, it's like, yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: like I would. I would do literally anything they asked

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Speaker 4: It's kind of interesting and heartbreaking is too strong a word.

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Speaker 4: In retrospect, watching interviews like cast interviews, particularly with Channing Tatum,

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Speaker 4: who I carry a torch for who He's like so

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Speaker 4: excited and he's like, I would have done anything that

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Speaker 4: the Witchowskis would ask I'm like the biggest Matrix fan

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Speaker 4: he was like, well, that shoot was really hard.

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Speaker 3: Wait can I quote it? Can I say what he said?

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Speaker 3: Because he uses a turn of phrase that is so funny.

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Speaker 3: He says, Jupiter sending was a nightmare from the jump.

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Speaker 3: It was a sideways movie. All of us were there

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Speaker 3: for seven months busting our hump?

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Speaker 4: How old is he? Okay, people busting our hump.

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Speaker 3: I'm never gonna stop laughing about that. I've never heard

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Speaker 4: I've only heard it from like senior citizens, genuinely wow,

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Speaker 4: And you've never busted your hump.

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Speaker 3: That is not true. I have I bust my hump.

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Speaker 3: I'm not so virgin. I bust my hope.

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Speaker 4: That's well, that's not what he's saying. He's this. I

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Speaker 4: will say, this movie is many things, horny is not

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Speaker 3: I feel like I think it is horny.

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Speaker 1: I think it is horny, really, I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely think it aspires to be horny.

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Speaker 4: They want their mom, but yeah, they all do. When

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Speaker 3: There's like Oedipus stuff happening. There is bestiality kind of

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Speaker 4: I'm so unclear. I'm like, why is I okay? First

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Speaker 4: of all, what stood up to be about this movie

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Speaker 4: is that the Razzie winning performance to me is what

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Speaker 4: Eddie redmain permance, which everyone hates. Yeah, but I kind

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Speaker 4: Like he sounds like SpongeBob dry. I like it, And

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Speaker 4: Yeah. But The Danish Girl comes out this same year

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Speaker 5: I create life. Yeah, I will harvest the planet tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: He's my favorite.

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Speaker 3: Wait okay, so Summer, tell us about your relationship, your

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Speaker 4: Who did this get on your plate? What happened?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So I remember the trailers for this movie really clearly,

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Speaker 4: To me than yeah, good all we all have those.

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Speaker 4: And it's like you, you, I don't know, you talk

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Speaker 4: It's a text. It's a text.

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Speaker 1: It became like something that I really like telling people

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Speaker 4: Have you seen the show? The show is awesome, awesome.

436
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 4: I don't know what happens in water World, but that

437
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 4: show is. I followed all the stunt actors on Instagram.

438
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, these people are geniuses.

439
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: They're so cool. Updated with Jupiter Ascending.

440
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 4: That would be great. And they're like, let's invest a

441
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 4: ton of money into a different movie that flopped and

442
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 4: then people will maybe it will give a well needed

443
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 4: shot to the arm with Jupiter. I think it's a

444
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 4: Universal movie too, Warner Bros.

445
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, but there's I mean there's a Warner Brothers

446
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: property at Universal aka Harry Potter.

447
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 4: So oh yeah, well we ever know peace. So her

448
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 4: dad's dead and she she I hate my life me too, Wow,

449
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 4: my dad said, and I hate my life. That's why

450
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 4: she's relatable.

451
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. So then we cut to a far away

452
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: planet in another solar system. There we meet the Abras

453
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 3: six siblings. This is Titus played by Douglas Booth, Khalik

454
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: played by Tuppence Middleton, and Balam Balem I forget how

455
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 3: to say his name played by Eddie Redmain.

456
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 4: We're like, I love these siblings because even though they're

457
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 4: obviously all together, they're all acting like they're in separate rooms,

458
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: and I love that they have sub zero chemistry. It

459
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 4: is like awesome.

460
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've never they've been siblings for tens of thousands

461
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: of years, but they somehow also never met before.

462
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 4: No is Yeah, they're just like, hey, so how are you. Oh,

463
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 4: our sister is ugly? Yes, anyways, goodbye. That's kind of

464
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 4: the whole thing.

465
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 3: So, these three siblings are members of a powerful intergalactic

466
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: empire that owns and controls a bunch of planets, including Earth,

467
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: which their late mother has left to Baalum in her will,

468
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: so keep that in mind. Then we meet Caine Wise

469
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: played by Channing Tatum. He's an alien who is on

470
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 3: Earth looking for someone named Catherine Dunlevy, although we don't

471
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: yet know why. And it takes a while to figure

472
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: it out.

473
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 4: It's Vanessa Kirbye.

474
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that is who that is. I was like,

475
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: she's familiar, but I don't know who she is, and

476
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: then I forgot to look it up. But you're so true.

477
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 4: One of the many blonde women you meet that it's like,

478
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 4: don't get attached to her, she'll be onnesome. But that's her.

479
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, huh okay, So Kin is looking for her. Balam

480
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 3: is also looking for her, and in this case we

481
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: do know why because he wants her found and killed.

482
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: Then we reveal that Catherine Dunlevy is a friend of Jupiter's.

483
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: They are together when a group of like spindly little

484
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: evil aliens come in and attack them.

485
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 4: And aliens that literally look like alien dot jpeg. Like

486
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 4: I do appreciate that, Like I don't know. As the movie,

487
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 4: as we get deeper into the movie, Eddie Redmain is

488
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 4: mainly like scolding dinosaurs yea at his house and you

489
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 4: don't really understand why. But it's like the I don't

490
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 4: know again, You're like not to over expect things from

491
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: the wachousekis, but you're like, oh, that dinosaur looks like

492
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 4: dinosaur dot jpeg. That alien looks like alien dot jpeg.

493
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 4: You don't really understand what they want or what they're

494
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 4: up to.

495
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: The dinosaurs are wearing leather jackets, so.

496
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: The dinosaurs are really cool and they are capable of

497
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 4: experiencing shame yea, and so I'm interested, but like, yeah,

498
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: what's their whole deal? And we and we won't find out,

499
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 4: but it is fun to just every time Eddie Redmains

500
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 4: sounding like dry SpongeBob scolding a dinosaur, and you're like,

501
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 4: how could you hate this performance? This is awesome.

502
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: Because each of those siblings, and it took me forever

503
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: to figure out like which minions worked for which siblings,

504
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: but they each have a group or at least one

505
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: servant or minion. Eddie Redmain's character has a whole army

506
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: of people. He's got the like giant lizard dinosaur army.

507
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: He also has someone named mister Knight who is wearing

508
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: like a George Washington wig.

509
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on there, but I was like, yeah,

510
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 4: mister Knight, let's not do a second pass at that name.

511
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: No.

512
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: Uh, then there's and I left most of these people

513
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: out of the recap because I'm like they don't matter,

514
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: but not to erase the woman who works for Titus

515
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: who has like enormous mouths ears.

516
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: I yeah, she's my favorite.

517
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 4: She's pretty cool. I can't just like another, like we

518
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 4: couldn't do a second pass at that, and maybe that's

519
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 4: for the best. But they're like, Okay, what if this

520
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: person were complete, completely normal looking otherwise, but just had

521
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 4: gigantic mouth ears. Yeah, it's awesome, it's cool. I love her.

522
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: Okay. So Jupiter and her friend Katherine are attacked by

523
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: these aliens. They disappear, and then Catherine and Jupiter I

524
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: think they like passed out because they kind of like

525
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: come to and they don't seem to have any memory

526
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: of what happened. Then we learn that Jupiter is planning

527
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: to sell her eggs. It seems like at the behest

528
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: of a cousin of hers cousin Vlattie.

529
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 4: Oh I mistook for a boyfriend at first, I was

530
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 4: not clear that he was her cousin.

531
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: It's unclear.

532
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 4: And also because I just don't I can't imagine, I mean,

533
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 4: and maybe this is on me. I can't imagine being

534
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: persuaded to sell my eggs in a like seventy five

535
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 4: twenty five deal with my cousin.

536
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: Your loser cousin.

537
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, I would need to be like being

538
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: pretty severely gaslight for that to happen, And that's not

539
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 4: really a cousin's game. But I don't know.

540
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: It's confusing.

541
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 4: Maybe my cousins aren't persuasive enough.

542
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: Maybe, but she is willing to go through with it

543
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: because she wants money to buy a telescope, just like

544
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 3: the one her father used to have.

545
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: What is she going to do with it? Don't worry

546
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 4: about it. We don't know, because the ultimate thing is

547
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: we don't know what Jupiter Jones wants out of her life.

548
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 4: She has no goal, which is compelling and a protagonist.

549
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: Look, let aimless women be protagonists too. No, okay, you're right, right,

550
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: you're right, Okay. So she goes to this clinic for

551
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: the egg extraction using the name of her friend Catherine Dunlevy,

552
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: and we get to reveal that the doctors are actually

553
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: the same evil little aliens in disguise, and they're about

554
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: to kill Jupiter because it turns out that it is

555
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: her who they actually want. They just thought they were

556
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: looking for Catherine Dunlevy because Jupiter was using her name,

557
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: which is a detail that might have been in the

558
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: first draft of the script, but they should have.

559
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 4: They should have just changed it.

560
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: To make way more clear. Yeah exactly, yeah.

561
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 4: But but good for you know, Vanessa Kirby got a

562
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 4: check and all she had to do is be basically

563
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 4: naked for all of her screen time.

564
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, okay. So then so she's about to be

565
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: killed by these aliens, but then Cain comes in to

566
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: save her. We learned that he was hired by Titus

567
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: to find Jupiter and bring her to him for reasons

568
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: that will eventually maybe become clear. And then Cain explains

569
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: that he is an alien from another planet, but he's

570
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: also this hybrid of like half human half wolf.

571
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 4: And now this is like starting to be like, oh,

572
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 4: this is like kind of like porn, you know, like

573
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: this is kind of like a vertical series. This is

574
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 4: kind of like you know, wait, I know I brought

575
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 4: this up before, Caitlin. I read some like wolf porn

576
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: book once. And also if this is if this is

577
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 4: your shit, like truly, all power to you. It was

578
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 4: recommended to me. It was called like the Alpha's rejected

579
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 4: mate or something.

580
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: Yes, you have brought this up I have brought up The.

581
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 4: Alpha's Rejected Mate. It's something that is Oh no, it's

582
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: the Tyrant Alpha's Rejected Mate. That was my first and

583
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: only wolf porn novel I've read. But I will say

584
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 4: it did make me feel things, but they were not

585
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 4: things I wanted to feel, and so I had to stop.

586
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.

587
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: But when Caine was introduced, I was like, oh, this

588
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 4: is a gateway for future readers of The Tyrant Alpha's

589
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: Rejected Mate. Yeah, because they even go through this, Like

590
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: I do you feel like the witch Howskis have a

591
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: knack for this, where famously The Matrix, an incredible movie,

592
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 4: was like, really you know the red pill ideology that

593
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 4: comes from the Matrix, Right, there are people who willfully

594
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 4: misunderstand the work of the witch Howski's to the point

595
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 4: where the witch Howskis have had to openly state this,

596
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: which has to be very frustrating. But I do feel

597
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 4: like they have a knack for like identifying these really

598
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 4: potent ideas. And there is something about Cain that feels

599
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 4: very like Sigma Male, like before Sigma males were a thing,

600
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: whereas like I'm a lone wolf and it's not that

601
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: I couldn't have anyone I want. It's that I just

602
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 4: don't need that I'm so awesome that I'm just I'm

603
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: behaving like an insult. But it's not that. It's a

604
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: secret third thing, and that's kind of what sigmas are,

605
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: and that's kind of what Caine is. I just the

606
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 4: wach Howskis really have a way with tap tap in

607
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 4: that vein.

608
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: I hadn't considered that fully.

609
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: But well, yeah, it's been a long day sitting with

610
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 4: this movie my friends, and I've reached a lot of

611
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 4: irrational conclusions.

612
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: No, I love it. Keep them caring.

613
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about like Omega verse, like

614
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: Wolf totally stuff, which I don't I don't really know

615
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: why I didn't think about it any of the other

616
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: times I've watched this movie since, Like, you know, those

617
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: things have been on my mind in the entire ten

618
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: years since this movie has come out. But of course

619
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting because you know, he's like, I'm a dog,

620
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: but does he display any dog traits? I don't know.

621
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's I.

622
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: Was like, well, summer, he has pointy ears and he wears.

623
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 4: Island like like some dogs. Do you know? I just

624
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 4: also like it's not even a universal dog thing as

625
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 4: a as a proud mother to a cocker spaniel. That

626
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 4: is not our story. Yeah, I think if Channing Tatum

627
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 4: had had those fly if you're a dog, be a dog,

628
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 4: give me those floppy cars. Her spaniel ears.

629
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there was like the goat woman ears

630
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: like yeah.

631
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: I don't know.

632
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: There was a guy with a whole elephant face.

633
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as we're going, if it's like monster

634
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: fucking adjacent bestiality, it's like it's kind of weak, like

635
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: there's not much happening here that feels taboo. Yeah, he's

636
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: kind of just a guy.

637
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: It's just a guy.

638
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 4: I do feel like ultimately, the closest I've gotten to

639
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: my personal Omega verse is mister Tumnus.

640
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

641
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 4: That is wow. That's that's like where I'm like, Okay, no,

642
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 4: I see the vision. I see the vision, and I

643
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 4: would make it work if given the opportunity.

644
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I was, I mean, this is this

645
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: is the last shot of the movie, but it does connect.

646
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: But like you know, when she's like Jupiter's like up

647
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: in like she's like observing her city, you know, like

648
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: from from high up. I was thinking about the the

649
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: Jessica Alba series Dark Angel, which almost every episode of

650
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: that show ends with her like on the because it

651
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: takes place in like a dystopia seattle, like her on

652
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: top of the space needle observing and like you know,

653
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: talking about when Dale'll find my family or whatever. And

654
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: in that show, she's like a genetically modified human and

655
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: she's like spliced with K nine DNA, which makes her

656
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: go into heat and so she just like really needs

657
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: to fuck and that's like.

658
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: Say, she needs to bust her hump.

659
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: And then that's where like Omega Verse like is inspired

660
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: by because Jensen Ackles was in that show, and then

661
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, you take it and then you make anyway,

662
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: we don't need to about those things.

663
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: I know we have to talk about Gensen Ackles. You're

664
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 4: you're here somewhere, you're here, we have to talk about them.

665
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was like, wow, Like he doesn't even

666
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: go into heat.

667
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: Like it feels like a really half hearted commitment to

668
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: the bit. It feels, yeah, humanoid, but give us full dog. Yeah,

669
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 4: give us those give us those big stinky floppy ears.

670
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, so Cain has more or less abducted her,

671
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: but she's like pretty fine with it, and they're about

672
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: to leave to head to where Titus is I think,

673
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 3: but it's not really specified.

674
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 4: I never know really where they're going.

675
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: I never know where they're headed to.

676
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: But luckily Jupiter is constantly asking where they are, so

677
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 4: you do get the answer. But you're like, well, where

678
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 4: the hell is that? Like sometimes sometimes you look like

679
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 4: you're in another planet, and then Cain is like, no,

680
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: we're still in Chicago, and you're like, really, okay.

681
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yes, that does happen, and that's right here

682
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: in the story. They're about to leave Chicago, but then

683
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: the little bad long legged aliens start chasing them. Jupiter

684
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 3: and Caan eventually get away with the help of Cain's

685
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: gravity boots that allow him to roller blade around the sky.

686
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 4: Channing Tatum writing his journal every night. It sounds silly.

687
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 4: I feel silly doing it, but I trust the butch

688
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 4: house Keys vision. I know it will end up looking cool.

689
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 4: Love Channing busting my hump over.

690
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: I'm sorry somewhere, I know you dearly love this movie.

691
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: No, it's great. No, I just I feel bad for

692
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum. It's okay, he rallied, Yeah, he did like

693
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: Hail Caesar. The next year that it's true. I love

694
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: his little tap dance and that what a performance.

695
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 4: This is also the same year as Magic Mike XXL

696
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: kind of a wild room.

697
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah he's fine, he's a shut up about busting his humps.

698
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: Oh come up, Yeah, okay, So they get away. Meanwhile,

699
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: Balum gets word from his giant and winged dinosaur lizard

700
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: Minion that Caine intervened in the killing of Jupiter and

701
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: he saved her. And Balam is acting like he knows

702
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 3: Jupiter personally. He seems to think they go way back,

703
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: and we're like, hmm, what's that all about? Back on Earth,

704
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: Caine drives Jupiter to his friend's house, Stinger played by

705
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: Sean Bean, because they need his help.

706
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 4: I love Sean Bean.

707
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: He he's great and he plays exactly the character that

708
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: he always plays in this movie. But they need his

709
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: help to do something unclear unclear. Maybe it's to get

710
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 3: to whatever planet Titus is on, but we're not sure. Anyway,

711
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: they hang out of his house for a while where

712
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 3: there are a bunch of bees which do not sting Jupiter,

713
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: and it almost love this.

714
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 4: This is this is like when this sequence happens, you're like, oh,

715
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 4: this is camp. This is amazing, and this is also

716
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 4: a nine year old's dream. Bees will not sting me

717
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 4: because I am royalty, and like that is I mean,

718
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 4: that is the fantasy, right. It's like that there is

719
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 4: something amazing about you that doesn't require that you know

720
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 4: or do anything differently, and that there's just something inherently

721
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 4: special about you that is so undeniable that even bees

722
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 4: will not sting you.

723
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: This is what happens to Jupiter, and they kind of

724
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: start to figure out, like, wait a minute, is she royalty?

725
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 4: I also love that there is We do meet a character,

726
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 4: an other blonde woman in this scene. Oh I forget.

727
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 4: We do meet her by.

728
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: Name disappears immediately.

729
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 4: It seems like she might be Caine's ex girlfriend.

730
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, it's Stinger's daughter.

731
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is daughter?

732
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 4: Oh my god? This is inscrutable. Okay.

733
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: She literally says like one thing while Kane and Singer

734
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: are fighting, and then I don't I don't know where

735
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: she goes.

736
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: She says, I'm gonna go out to get groceries, and

737
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: then she never to make dinner because women be making dinner.

738
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 4: But then I think that they fuck off before she comes.

739
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 4: She comes back with no one to make dinner for

740
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 4: She's like, where's my dad? Literally, where's her dad? I

741
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: didn't realize that was so. And that is the first

742
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 4: example of many where we technically pass the Backel test.

743
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 4: This one's hilarious, although you could argue because this character

744
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 4: disappears immediately that maybe it's not an important interaction, but

745
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 4: it is one of the Bechdel test passes. That is

746
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 4: just Jupiter saying hello, I am Jupiter, and the other

747
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: character says hello, I'm this character, and it's punctuated by

748
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 4: the fact that they are literally having this conversation in

749
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: front of Sean Bean and Channing Tatum getting into a

750
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 4: violent physical altercation as they're passing the Baxtel test uselessly

751
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 4: correct I liked it.

752
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty sick. Okay. So then Stinger tells

753
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: Jupiter more about Cain and his checkered past, also about

754
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: the history of Earth and how the abraxis a brassics

755
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 3: I don't know how to say it, dynasty that controls

756
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: Earth deliberately makes sure that the human population reaches an

757
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 3: unsustainable number so that the planet can be considered ripe

758
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: for harvest, whatever that means. But it's pretty obvious that

759
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: it's not great. Then the evil aliens find them again,

760
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: as do a couple like human hybrid bounty hunters. There's

761
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: this big fight scene and a couple of the Bounty

762
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: Hunters capture Jupiter and fly her away on a spaceship.

763
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: Jupiter wakes up in the home of the sister callique

764
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 3: A Brassis.

765
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 4: By the way, this becomes a running joke in the

766
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 4: movie that Jupiter is regularly passing out and waking up

767
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 4: somewhere again and has been changed into a different set

768
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: of clothes yes, and doesn't remember it. This is presented

769
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 4: as an adorable joke, even though the love interest does

770
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: this at one point. Yeah, that people are while she's unconscious,

771
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 4: either because of medicine or combat. She wakes up at

772
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 4: another place in a different outfit that and the joke

773
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 4: is usually that she just doesn't like the outfit, but

774
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 4: the subtext of the joke is that she has been

775
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 4: stripped and redressed while unconscious, and you're like, Lily, Lana,

776
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 4: what is this joke? What is the joke? Come on,

777
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 4: you have final cut, no excuses.

778
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's not great.

779
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 4: Anyways, It's very like win Wigna not of like, well,

780
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 4: hopefully at this time I get to pick my outfit

781
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 4: and I'll be awake when I put it on, and

782
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 4: you're like, uh wild.

783
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, Jupiter meets Khalik, who tells her that Jupiter

784
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: is what they call a recurrence, which is basically a

785
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: genetic reincarnation of the late mother of Calikue, Titus, and Balam,

786
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: which means that Jupiter is essentially a queen slash like

787
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: kind of their mother, but kind of not. She's just

788
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 3: like a genetic replica recurrence of this late queen, who

789
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: Khalik mentions was ninety one thousand years old when she died,

790
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: but she would have lived longer except that she was murdered.

791
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: But they don't know by whom.

792
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 4: I'm so confused about this.

793
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: Well there, yeah.

794
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 4: Okay, look, I guess it's like it's well, okay, there's

795
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 4: so many elements of this movie that is like, okay,

796
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 4: there is technology in this world beyond my wildest imagination,

797
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 4: So why can't they explain this to me? Because they

798
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 4: the closest they get to be like, we know you're

799
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 4: our mother, and we know your recurrence is like because

800
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 4: you kind of look like this statue and I'm like,

801
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 4: we don't have better technology than you kind of look

802
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 4: like this statue.

803
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So like I thought it was that, Like I

804
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe I'm extrapolating too much.

805
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 4: No, you know this movie far better than I do.

806
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 4: I was just trying to figure out, like it's there

807
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 4: seems like a lot of guesswork for this very high

808
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 4: tech universe.

809
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: So like I thought it was because like when you're

810
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, theoretically, when you're going to donate eggs,

811
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: you give some sort of like DNA sample and perhaps

812
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: on all of their planets they like are keeping trapped

813
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: of like all of the DNA records, and so she's

814
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: like a genetic match of the mother when she like

815
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: went to the hospital and like registered under her.

816
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 4: Friend's name, why they under Vanessa Kirby's identity for something.

817
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so they were like, oh, like ding, ding,

818
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: we found a match. Time to go to like this

819
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: medical specific medical record. But I don't know why, Like

820
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: has she never gone to the doctor before? Like I

821
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: don't know.

822
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: Why, like a blood sample?

823
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, like why do they not? And I was sure,

824
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: and again I've seen this movie many times. How long

825
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: ago did the mother die? Was it.

826
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 4: Did she just that's a really good question.

827
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: That's not clear.

828
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 4: They're acting as if she did, but time is so

829
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 4: fluid to them.

830
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe like she gets like reborn when the

831
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: mother dies, and like her DNA is like re recycled

832
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: on their holdings.

833
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 4: I'm creating the rules of it felt very like I guess. Yeah.

834
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 4: With the Abrassics group, it's like it seemed like so

835
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 4: much was within their control, but then the things that

836
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 4: weren't within their control I didn't understand, Like, yeah, I

837
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 4: don't know the other thing, and this is like more

838
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 4: Bechtelcasti stuff, but that in this world where anything can

839
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: be true, and like we're being encouraged by this story

840
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 4: to be like, the world is completely different if you

841
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: just look just beneath the surface, which is so much

842
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 4: of what the Wachowskis are doing. Even in this world,

843
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 4: the ultimate goal across millennia, across planets and galaxies is

844
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 4: to be a young attractive woman. Yeah, and to not

845
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 4: appear old or age in any way. And it's just

846
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 4: presented as a universal truth and as it just made

847
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 4: kind of sad.

848
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess you could argue that that's

849
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 3: what the villains.

850
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: Want I but I don't think that there's anything applied.

851
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 4: There's no pushback on that being a good thing from

852
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 4: our heroes. They're just sort of like, oh oh, weird,

853
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 4: got it. Well we're already young and hot, so anyways,

854
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 4: like I don't know, shrug, but uh, I liked any

855
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: movie you guys, No, no.

856
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: I know, I feel the same way. And I think,

857
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: like again, this watch especially, like I think maybe this

858
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: is the first time I've watched it with like a

859
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: fully grown brain. Okay, it was kind of like, al right,

860
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: like this is what the great wishes, this is what

861
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: it all is about. Presumably Mila kunis now like in

862
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: her inheritance as Queen, gets this power too, but she doesn't.

863
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: She doesn't seem interested in using it. But she also

864
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: doesn't seem uninteresting.

865
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 4: Right, It's all so vague with her. It's like because

866
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 4: again don't know what she wants. She's just sort of

867
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 4: here for the ride, like another one of the awesome

868
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 4: Jupiter moments where you're like, Jupiter is an iconic apathetic character.

869
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 4: She is like on the Apathy Hall of Fame because

870
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 4: even after she's been abducted, this is going back a

871
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 4: little bit by Cain and Sean Bean. She calls her

872
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 4: cousin on the phone and says nothing about what is

873
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 4: going on. She's like, hey, sorry, something went wild at

874
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 4: the eggs situation and I'm busy now, and you're like,

875
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 4: so to be told over an hour later, all Jupiter

876
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 4: wants is to be with her family. I'm like, I

877
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 4: don't know. It seems like she was abducted and had

878
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 4: no interest in returning just for something to happen to her.

879
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 4: I know that, Like, and this is all like pulled

880
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 4: into focus for me when I learned that the witch

881
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: House Keys were pulling from Dorothy a lot for Jupiter

882
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 4: character and pulling from the Wizard of Oz. Yeah, but

883
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 4: it hasn't quite come together.

884
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: But I mean, compare it to again The Matrix, one

885
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 3: of the finest films ever made. I think they're both

886
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 3: chosen One narratives in the sense that it's someone who

887
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 3: is an ordinary person who is actually special and destined

888
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 3: for great things, and they discover this along the way

889
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 3: and have to decide what to do with all of

890
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 3: that information. And for Neo, he's actively seeking out answers.

891
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: He's actively trying to figure out, like what is the

892
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 3: matrix and do I want to be a part of

893
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 3: the resistance against it? And then with Jupiter, she's just

894
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 3: sort of like, oh.

895
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 4: We kids.

896
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: What's so interesting about her is that she's like from

897
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: a working class immigrant family.

898
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 3: And undocumented too specializes that she's undocumented.

899
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was That was one of the

900
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: things that like on this watch, I was like, this

901
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: is like refugee imagery of like in the like bottom

902
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: of like the cellar of a boat, the harsh journey

903
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: across the waters, like that's they're very much pulling from

904
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: that kind of iconography, and I feel this kind of like, well,

905
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: my family is everything is like the like tagline for

906
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: like immigrant family stories, but there's no like grounding or

907
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: anything to hold on to with that. She's not a

908
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: fully fledged character grounded in that kind of reality or

909
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: family structure or family dynamic or tie at all, which

910
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: I think is very funny. I don't know, it makes

911
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: it makes it feel like her family is in a

912
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: completely different movie, and when they are pulled in to

913
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: the narrative, it's like what is going on? But yeah,

914
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: it's so interesting. It's like, what do you mean she's undocumented?

915
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: What do you mean that's the story that's being.

916
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 4: Told, right, Say more, save more, say more.

917
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: And like, how does it connect to like realizing that

918
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: you are the reincarnation of like the ultimate colonizer, Like

919
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: that's crazy, right.

920
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 4: And that she doesn't seem to have any opinions on that.

921
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 4: We're I mean, this is fastwording to the literal end

922
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 4: of the movie. But I was like, yeah, kind of

923
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 4: agg one might say that. At the end, she's like

924
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 4: talking with Caine and he's like, so you own the

925
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 4: world and she has no. I mean, it would have

926
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 4: been like easy, to the point of like bad writing,

927
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 4: to be like, well, I don't think anyone should own

928
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 4: the world. You can't really own the world. But she

929
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, I do own the world, and I'm

930
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: still trying to figure out what that means. And you're like, yeah,

931
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 4: I guess I am too. Jupiter, are you and me both.

932
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: Like I think? Especially it's interesting that the way that

933
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: her father dies is also so like anti climactic. Is

934
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: just like some random people we don't I don't know,

935
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would like want this of

936
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: my Jupiter ascending, but it's like, what what is what

937
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: is the what's their situation? In Russia. What are the vibes?

938
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 4: Like what when is when?

939
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: Like what is there? Like what is their context? And

940
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: I think that that's such an there's no like political

941
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: socio political grounding for any of their movements, of their

942
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: migration of anything. And so when you have this overarching

943
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: theme or like kind of like motif of the film

944
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: is essentially about like colonization and like annihilatory violence and

945
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: harvesting of resources, it's just kind of like what an

946
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: interesting character to put at the heart of it, who

947
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: also like does nothing at the end. I I you know,

948
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: earlier in the movie she says something like yeah, like

949
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: no one should own the world or something like that, right, right,

950
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: And so if that came back, that would be interesting.

951
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 4: But she owns the world. Yeah, She's like this is weird.

952
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: But she's also not tuned into any of society's ills either.

953
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: She's not like, oh, like the oppression of the working class.

954
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: You know, she's just like I hate my life, you know,

955
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: Like what was she You know, it's just so funny.

956
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, like that there's such a nothingness to

957
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 1: it where there are so many points where it's like, well,

958
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: it could have been like a weird, heavy handed, cheesy,

959
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: sort of like liberal posturing, but it's not.

960
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 4: It's really interesting, yeah, because it's like I have to

961
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 4: imagine there were drafts of this where her family was

962
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 4: more meaningfully included, because the specifics are too specific to

963
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 4: have never meant anything, right, like yeah, but then her

964
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 4: family kind of becomes cartoon characters and in the final product,

965
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 4: I just am like, I wonder who is at the

966
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 4: charge of that, because you know, the Wachowskis have quite

967
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 4: a bit of like influence over the final product, but

968
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 4: also they still get studio notes and all that stuff,

969
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 4: Like I just I'd be so curious. I don't know.

970
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: Well, the other thing about it is that with other

971
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: Chosen One hero's journey type narratives, there are many where

972
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: there's a call to adventure in the sense that like

973
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 3: it falls in their lap and they unlike Neo, where

974
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 3: like they're not actively searching for answers, something comes to

975
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 3: them and falls in their lap and then they have

976
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 3: to decide what to do about it. But a lot

977
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 3: of those stories, whatever it is, ends up like radicalizing

978
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: them to realize. Oh, like Luke Skywalker, let's take that example,

979
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: things fall in his lap. He decides to go and

980
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: join the resistance. He doesn't really know a whole lot

981
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 3: of what that specifically means at first, but then he's like,

982
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I hate the Empire, I hate Darth Vader,

983
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: Like this experience has radicalized me.

984
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 4: And this movie was said to be heavily influenced by

985
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 4: Star Wars, enough that Sean Bean has said that his

986
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 4: character that Stinger a ped his half human half honey

987
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 4: bee character he plays pie Hans. It says Stinger a Penie.

988
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 4: I don't know if they ever say his last name

989
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 4: about Loud. I'm just looking at Wikipedia. Stinger a Penie

990
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 4: Comma a Han solo type character.

991
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 3: I will say it is way more of a Han

992
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 3: solo type.

993
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 4: I was not getting Han solo from Stinger a Penie.

994
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 4: But I just, you know, dare to dream mean, yeah.

995
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: I would say that about myself, you know, sure, like you.

996
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 3: Know exactly, Yeah, I'm a Han solo.

997
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 4: Anything is a Han solo type. Half honey bee is

998
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 4: just like it's just so funny.

999
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, sorry, back up a second. He yes, he's

1000
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 3: a honeybee hybrid. Is that why he has all the bees?

1001
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? So he's a bee?

1002
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know how a dog while Sean Bee is

1003
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 4: half bee and there's no yeah, does he just look

1004
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 4: like a man? Well, yeah, looks like a man, but

1005
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 4: let's not worry about it. Also, going back to the

1006
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 4: Wizard of Oz, stuff like just I don't know, this

1007
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 4: movie is so chaotic. There are quotes about this that

1008
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 4: I was like, what the hell, Maybe I'm being too

1009
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 4: close minded. This is a quote about because the Wochowskis

1010
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 4: have repeatedly said this is influenced by the Odyssey, the

1011
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 4: Wizard of Oz, and Star Wars, the big influences. You

1012
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 4: can definitely feel those often in conflict with each other. Right,

1013
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 4: But this is a quote from Lana Wachowski comparing Cain

1014
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 4: to a character from the Wizard of Oz. She says,

1015
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 4: we were like, can we bring a different kind of

1016
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 4: female character like Dorothy or Alice, characters who negotiate conflict

1017
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 4: and complex situations with intelligence and empathy. Yes, Dorothy has

1018
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 4: a protector, Toto, who's always barking at everyone, and that

1019
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 4: was the origin of Cain. This movie asks what if

1020
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 4: Dorothy and Toto were fucking like it's so weird, Like too,

1021
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 4: I love the Waitchousekis. I'm like, why would you say that,

1022
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 4: why would you say what if Dorothy was fucking Toto?

1023
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 4: And that's kind of the whole idea.

1024
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: And then okay, so that's we're already getting into the discussion.

1025
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's just so much to unpack. I think

1026
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 3: the reason Jupiter's character doesn't end up being radicalized by

1027
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 3: her learning about this very large scale colonial capitalist genocidal

1028
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 3: project is she you know, at the end she does

1029
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 3: say like, no, I'm not gonna let you do this,

1030
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 3: but through most of the movie she's not really asking

1031
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: the right question. She doesn't seem curious about what's going on.

1032
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 3: She's just sort of like you might even say, she

1033
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 3: put on some gravity boots and is just sort of

1034
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 3: coasting along and.

1035
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 4: Maarda, she's on dial up internet.

1036
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: Yes, And it's because I think the main arc that

1037
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 3: seems to be written for her character, rather than any

1038
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 3: sort of like political ideological shift or anything like that.

1039
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: It's like hetero romance where in the very beginning there's

1040
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 3: like mention in her voiceover of something about not finding love,

1041
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 3: and then she's talking to her friend Catherine and she's like, well,

1042
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 3: my mom always told me that fairy tales were ridiculous,

1043
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: and the love isn't I don't know if it's real.

1044
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 3: And then when she's talking to Kine in various situations,

1045
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 3: she's like, I always seem to go after the wrong

1046
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 3: man who doesn't love me back. So everything everything that

1047
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 3: revolves around her arc.

1048
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 4: Which we have no context for, like we don't know that.

1049
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 4: And you're also like, yeah, Meili Kunnas, I'm sure you're

1050
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 4: getting turned down right and left. But like, but it is.

1051
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 4: It is interesting again where I have to feel like

1052
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 4: her mom because this move he wants to be about

1053
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 4: mothers a lot. And so it also does feel weird

1054
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 4: that Jupiter's mother is so estranged from the movie because

1055
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 4: at the end, again because her family is kind of

1056
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 4: operating in a totally different movie than the rest of

1057
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 4: the movie, especially her cousin's Flattie, Oh my god, her

1058
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 4: cousin's Flatty is in like a fairly Brothers movie. He's

1059
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 4: like somewhere else, He's like in nineteen ninety nine. But

1060
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 4: like you're saying, like all of the groundwork is laid

1061
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 4: for them to be actively engaged with the story. So

1062
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 4: I'm wondering if, like when and if that was severed.

1063
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 4: But the end, her her mother is just like, oh,

1064
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 4: by the way, I'm over your father's death and like

1065
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 4: you should have a telescope. Sorry, and you're like surely.

1066
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 4: At one point, this was more of an arc between

1067
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 4: Jupiter and her mother, because it feels like it's like

1068
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 4: even the opening sequence establishes some tension between them, but

1069
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 4: then she just kind of disappears.

1070
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.

1071
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 4: Anyways, I like it.

1072
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, best movie ever? Yeah, what happens next? King?

1073
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 3: I would love to tell you. Okay, so Jupiter is

1074
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 3: with Colique Khaliku is trying to buddy up to our

1075
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: friend Jupiter.

1076
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: It what strokes her face?

1077
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's intimate awesome. Colique explains that to her people,

1078
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 3: time is the most valuable resource and that she and

1079
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 3: her family can live for so long because they use

1080
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 3: this advanced technology that they've created to replace their dying

1081
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 3: cells with new ones. But where do they get the

1082
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 3: new cells? I wonder if we'll find out? And then

1083
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 3: we see Colique go through this like rejuvenation process where

1084
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 3: she takes a dip in a pool and comes out

1085
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 3: looking much younger. She has washed all the oldness off.

1086
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 4: Right, because looking young is the ultimate goal of not

1087
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 4: just humanity, of all living beings throughout time is looking

1088
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 4: hot in twenty fifteen.

1089
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Khalik is like, by the way, my

1090
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 3: mother wrote in her will that any recurrence of hers,

1091
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 3: which again is what Jupiter is, will inherit the Earth.

1092
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 3: So technically Jupiter owns like is the rightful heir to Earth,

1093
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 3: even though it was Ballam who was originally supposed to

1094
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,479
Speaker 3: inherit the Earth, and that's why he wants Jupiter dead

1095
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 3: so that he can keep Earth. And we're not really

1096
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 3: sure how Jupiter processes this, but.

1097
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 4: There's a lot of cliffhangers with Jupiter about to form

1098
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 4: an opinion.

1099
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 3: But the important thing is that she thinks Kalek is

1100
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 3: kind of nice and on her side. But then Kane

1101
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 3: shows up to be like, m I'm not too sure

1102
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 3: about that. That's probably not true. Then Jupiter is like, yeah,

1103
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 3: so she'll be kiss and she's suddenly very horny for him,

1104
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 3: but he rejects her.

1105
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 4: She's the Tyra Dolpha was rejected mate. One might say, yeah,

1106
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 4: I really, I mean yeah truly to fans of that book.

1107
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 4: I literally got horny and had to stop because I

1108
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 4: was like, I don't want to know. I don't want it.

1109
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 3: Sometimes you just I don't want to uncover that part

1110
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 3: of yourself.

1111
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 4: Such as you're like, if I'm into this, I really cannot.

1112
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 4: I'm I've got a lot going on right now.

1113
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: I can't know this is this when she says I

1114
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 1: love dogs. I've always loved dogs, and then yes, yeah,

1115
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: okay yeah, and then her like she like her strange,

1116
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: like to herself like I love dogs, like kind of

1117
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: realizing something, and it's like, I don't know, I don't

1118
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: know what emotion you're expressing.

1119
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 4: I feel I do feel like there is an actor

1120
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 4: that could have sold that line. It just Mila Kunas

1121
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 4: is not that actor.

1122
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: Natalie Portland.

1123
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 4: Let's see it, Natalie Portman. Maybe could I love dogs?

1124
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: Like?

1125
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 4: You know, like there there is someone who or or

1126
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 4: even a Jennifer Lawrence type could have made it funny,

1127
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 4: you know, like.

1128
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think I think the way you're supposed

1129
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 3: to read this is her repeating the ridiculous line she

1130
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 3: just said to herself, as if to say, like, you idiot,

1131
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 3: what did you say? I love dogs? But that's not

1132
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 3: quite how Mila Kunaz delivers it.

1133
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 4: So she just sort of says I love dogs again. Yeah,

1134
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 4: she says, must love dogs and I love dogs. The

1135
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 4: Wes Anderson movie.

1136
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 3: Wow makes you think.

1137
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, I've never seen that movie, but I love

1138
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 4: that it is just I love dogs.

1139
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: I think it's also twenty fifteen maybe, oh wow, it

1140
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: might be twenty fourteen.

1141
01:05:54,680 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 4: Huge years either, huge year for movies. I didn't watch.

1142
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 3: Okay, So Jupiter owns Earth.

1143
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:05,959
Speaker 4: She's working it out.

1144
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 3: Yes, a cyborg named Bob starts on the paperwork that's

1145
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 3: required so that Jupiter can access the title to Earth

1146
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 3: the way that you like, you know, have a title

1147
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: to a car or a deed to the house.

1148
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 4: She's trying to write it down. If this came out today,

1149
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 4: this part would be played by John Early, because this

1150
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 4: actor is strongly channeling John Early.

1151
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 3: Oh true. Okay, so Bob is helping her. There's a

1152
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 3: ton of bureaucratic red tape, but she finally gets the

1153
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 3: title to Earth and now she owns the planet. This

1154
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 3: makes her even hornier because once again Jupiter lays it

1155
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 3: on real thick on Cain. She wants to smooth him

1156
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 3: so bad.

1157
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 4: And she likes to be called queen. And this is

1158
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 4: like a wish filment thing. But I'm begging Jupiter to

1159
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 4: think more critically about what's happening.

1160
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 3: He says, like your majesty and she's like, oh.

1161
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 4: Say it again, and you're like, okay, Jupiter, but what

1162
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 4: are you going to do with the deed to Earth?

1163
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? But she's too horny for that, and it seems

1164
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 3: like Caine might be kind of reciprocating these feelings, but

1165
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 3: the moment is ruined when twist Stinger betrays them and

1166
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 3: we're like, oh, a Sean Bean character turning on someone

1167
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 3: and betraying them and being a bad guy the whole time.

1168
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 3: I would have never thought, just kidding, this is the

1169
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 3: character he plays every time.

1170
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 4: But unlike every other time, it doesn't have too much

1171
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 4: of an effect on the plot because later Kine just

1172
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 4: comes back and he's like, oh, well right, your daughter,

1173
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 4: so whatever.

1174
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1175
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 4: I liked it. That felt like the twist on the

1176
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 4: Sean Being character is that he betrayed him and guess what,

1177
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 4: it doesn't affect them.

1178
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 3: That way, and actually he's he is a good guy.

1179
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 3: He just betrayed them for reasons, but now he's good again.

1180
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 4: I thought Caine was real for that. I was like, yeah,

1181
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 4: you know what, life is hard, and you know we're

1182
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 4: putting compromising positions and yeah, let's just keep things moving.

1183
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 3: True. Compare it to his character in, for example, National Treasure,

1184
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 3: when he betrays Nicholas Cage's character whose name is Benjamin

1185
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 3: Franklin or.

1186
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 4: Something, Benjamin Franklin Gates Gates. Sorry, I hate that I

1187
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 4: had that ready, that.

1188
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 3: Locked and loaded. Anyway, he betrays Benjamin Franklin Gates and

1189
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 3: then is a bad guy the whole time, the whole

1190
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 3: rest of the movie.

1191
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, he's only a bad guy for half of

1192
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 4: the time, much like he is only half of a

1193
01:08:49,200 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 4: honey bee. Yeah, which like truly which half? I just

1194
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 4: And it's also like if you're casting a part and

1195
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 4: I love Sean Bean, but I don't look at him

1196
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh right, he's so b like like

1197
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 4: you know, like you would think of maybe casting a

1198
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 4: type that you're like, oh, like a uh, I don't know.

1199
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 4: I don't think of bees as like muscular and gruff. Yeah,

1200
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 4: I know.

1201
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, was were his parents Renezel Wigger's character from

1202
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 3: B Movie and the Bee from B Movie?

1203
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 4: No, I really can't Sean Bean Sean Bean. Maybe they're

1204
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 4: thinking Sean Bee much like Larry B. King from B

1205
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 4: Movie or.

1206
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 3: Larry Bealy Is that anything like Larry geely.

1207
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 4: Be and who is that joke for? But it's for me,

1208
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 4: thank you so much. Okay, the thread I won't wish,

1209
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 4: I wouldn't wish Sean Bean being the spawn of Jerry

1210
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 4: seinfeldt like there's I want better for him, but but

1211
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 4: but some are the question stands he's half be where exactly?

1212
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: And it's also like surprising that he's able to betray

1213
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: the queen when he is part B. You'd think that,

1214
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: Oh my.

1215
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,480
Speaker 4: God, yes, and he would sooner.

1216
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: Die wouldn't allow him?

1217
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 4: Oh my god. They didn't even think of that. It's

1218
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 4: just like, I mean, okay, so technically Jupiter Ascending is

1219
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 4: giving the same deference to Bees that B movie is

1220
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 4: because B movie makes bees a patriarchy. Still yeah, wow,

1221
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 4: yeah he shouldn't. Okay, first of all, he I thought you.

1222
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 4: I thought you were getting at something far sillier, which

1223
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 4: is that if he's half B, he should be able

1224
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 4: to get between those bars.

1225
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know like shape shift and I.

1226
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 4: Do love that, Like, yeah, well is it? I can't

1227
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 4: even remember. This movie is blurred in my head, Like

1228
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 4: I know that it's a big deal for Caine to

1229
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 4: get his wings back, which is not something I associate

1230
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 4: with wolves or dogs. But sure, yeah, so shouldn't Sean

1231
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 4: Bean be trying to get his wings back?

1232
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 2: Is he?

1233
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 4: Also?

1234
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: I was thinking that his bee too, Like he's trying

1235
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,799
Speaker 1: to get back bee wings, not angel wings.

1236
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 6: I guess why don't we get to see him with

1237
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 6: bee wings the little ones?

1238
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1239
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, there should have been like a post credits scene

1240
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 3: where he's buzzing around in his little bee wings.

1241
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 4: Yeah that is so oh my god, wait, I cannot stop,

1242
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 4: Like Summer, he should not be able to betray the queen.

1243
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 4: That's like that should be his whole thing. Yeah, that's infuriating.

1244
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 4: Why didn't they think of that? Why go? Why go

1245
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 4: out of the way to make Jupiter queen? If if

1246
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 4: the only bee in the story is going to betray

1247
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 4: her with no consequence.

1248
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,839
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, how is he the outside

1249
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: of the name stinger? I don't know, singer?

1250
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, I mean we.

1251
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: Can talk about this later. But I am interested in

1252
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,759
Speaker 1: Cain as a name. But that's that's for after.

1253
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 3: That's for after Cain K nine K nine that I

1254
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 3: was thinking, Okay, but the biblical.

1255
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 4: Cane also a peenie I just learned is just like

1256
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 4: a Latin word for b. So his name is stinger

1257
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 4: b yes, and Okay, yet he is just a tattooed

1258
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 4: man man.

1259
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least the at least they put Channing Tatum

1260
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 3: in again pointy ears. He's wearing eyeliner because dogs famously

1261
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 3: wear eyeliner, and he I think he does have kind

1262
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,759
Speaker 3: of sharper more pronounced can nine teeth.

1263
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: The bleached brows are something.

1264
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 3: Which is like all things I associate with dogs.

1265
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 4: They're just trying to make Channing Tatum look fucky in

1266
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 4: a way we haven't seen him before. Yeah, I think

1267
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 4: kind of and that and that's good to be clear,

1268
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 4: that's good, just like Eddie Redmain sort of looks kardashian

1269
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 4: esque in a way that I was like, is this?

1270
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 4: What is this? What am I looking at? Why isn't

1271
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 4: he opening his mouth?

1272
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 1: His long neck, the longest neck that's ever been seen?

1273
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 4: How dare they give him a razzie? I just I

1274
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 4: guarantee that this is a more interesting performance than both

1275
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 4: of his Oscar performances.

1276
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I saw a theory of everything, and

1277
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: I saw Jupiter sending and let me tell you when

1278
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: do I remember?

1279
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 4: And what are we talking about? In the Bechdel theory

1280
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 4: and everything tell you that much.

1281
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: That's the most culturally relevant exact the oscars don't matter.

1282
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 4: Who has stood the test of time?

1283
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:58,520
Speaker 3: And what's Stephen Hawking not named in the Epstein files here?

1284
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 4: And you know who wasn't.

1285
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 3: Makes you think?

1286
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 4: Makes you think?

1287
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 3: Okay, back to the story. Okay, Stinger has just betrayed them.

1288
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 3: Jupiter is detained and brought to Titus, the youngest of

1289
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 3: the three siblings, and she's like, you're violating space code

1290
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 3: and you have to bring me back to Earth and

1291
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 3: he's like, okay, fair, but first you must dine with me,

1292
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 3: and he puts her in a patent leather catwoman style dress.

1293
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 4: Yeah really like it reminded me of in the recent

1294
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 4: Weathering Heights adaptation, which but when like Margaret Robbie all

1295
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 4: of a sudden randomly looks like Kula Deville and you're like,

1296
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 4: what like it is? It's an interesting outfit, But it's

1297
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,520
Speaker 4: so like the tone of this movie is so inconsistent

1298
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 4: because Mila Kunis is still playing like I'm just a

1299
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 4: regular girl. So she's like, this dress isn't really my style?

1300
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, or don't Jupiter? Come on? It's a

1301
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 4: weird dress though, And.

1302
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 3: Even more bizarre is that Titus is like Hubba hubba,

1303
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 3: even though it's been established that Jupiter looks exactly like

1304
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 3: his mother. So he wants to fuck his mom question.

1305
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 4: Mark, Great, well, Caitlyn, you've heard of that one before.

1306
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 4: Come on, well have you heard this one before? I mean,

1307
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 4: I wants to fuck a lady that looks like his mom,

1308
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 4: but rarely the uh proven incarnation of his actual mom. Right,

1309
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 4: But then it turns out just kidding for some reason,

1310
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 4: just kidding.

1311
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll find out more about that in a moment.

1312
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:59,520
Speaker 3: But in the meantime, he shows Jupiter all these canisters

1313
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 3: of this liquid. It's the same thing that Kaliku bathed

1314
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 3: in earlier, and he explains that it's made from humans,

1315
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 3: that Earth is a farm that they harvest people from

1316
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 3: to create this like rejuvenating youth juice. But he's trying

1317
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 3: to put a stop to all this because that's wrong,

1318
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,600
Speaker 3: as was his mother, and he's just following in her footsteps.

1319
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 3: And he's like, but enough about all that, will you

1320
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 3: marry me? Jupiter?

1321
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 4: And we're somehow left on a cliffhanger for this.

1322
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, she gasps, and then there's another hard cut to

1323
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:42,480
Speaker 3: the next scene.

1324
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 4: And you're like, Jupiter, what's in it for you? She

1325
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 4: this becomes and again I'm like, is there like a

1326
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 4: Wizard of Ozsie? I was trying to, like, see, I

1327
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 4: have not read the Odyssey looking forward to the Christopher

1328
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 4: and noll In Odyssey, I have to say, so I

1329
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 4: only know the broad strokes. I can see the Wizard

1330
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 4: of Oz episodic nature of like what if instead of

1331
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 4: meeting three friends on your way to Oz, you were

1332
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:22,839
Speaker 4: kidnapped by three diabolical siblings on the way to nowhere

1333
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 4: or on the way back to home? Right technically if

1334
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 4: Chicago is Kansas something like that, Like it is episodic,

1335
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 4: but but the episodes don't really advance the plot. They

1336
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 4: kind of just continue it. I don't know. I was

1337
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 4: trying to get there. The tightest one at very least,

1338
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 4: I will say, was interesting. Yeah, I didn't see brother

1339
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 4: proposal coming.

1340
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 1: M M.

1341
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1342
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: This is really where it all starts, like really falling

1343
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: apart for me. Okay, this is where I'm really like,

1344
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what's happening. I don't know

1345
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: there's like a there's a continually shifting allegiance of Jupiter

1346
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: to different characters, and it's like, why why are you

1347
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: with this person now? Why?

1348
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 3: Like I don't she's she's very very gullible and she

1349
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 3: just sort of like becomes best friends with whoever the

1350
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 3: next sibling she meets is yeah, and we're like, have

1351
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 3: a little bit more discernment of character.

1352
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: And think she should be more weirded out, more and

1353
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: more excited, you know, like she.

1354
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 4: Just has like sub reactions to again, like that's it's

1355
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 4: part of why she's such a frustrating character. Where like

1356
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 4: Lanava Chowski said in different interviews, like oh, well Dorothy, Well,

1357
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 4: first of all, I think she kind of misreads the

1358
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 4: character Dorothy, where she's like Dorothy doesn't change that much

1359
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 4: from the beginning to the end, And you're like, well

1360
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 4: that's not true at all. But like Dorothy is maybe

1361
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 4: not the most active protagonist, right, There's it's a lot

1362
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:00,759
Speaker 4: of things happening to her, but Dorothy is consist making

1363
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 4: emotional choices. She is consistently stating where she stands with things,

1364
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 4: and these are qualities jupid relax, Like, yeah, I wouldn't

1365
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 4: characterize her as a particularly empathetic I wouldn't characterize her

1366
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 4: as anything. I don't like she just seems to be like, wow,

1367
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 4: this is so like it's like she's talking to an

1368
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:26,719
Speaker 4: audience that isn't there, both figuratively and if box Office

1369
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 4: receets her to be indicated literally being like this is

1370
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 4: so weird. Wow, Like you're just like, how do you

1371
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 4: feel about this? Critical it's impossible to feel nothing.

1372
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: Dorothy and Alice of Alice, they're both little girls, so that's.

1373
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 4: Also adult women part of it.

1374
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 1: Like they're little girls, and she's an adult woman with

1375
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: a job and like a life and is donating her eggs.

1376
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, Like there is like just

1377
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 1: an incredible passivity that also doesn't seem to be like

1378
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: noticed by the narrative either, Like it's not passive character

1379
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,679
Speaker 1: in an interesting way, like right, you know, but it's

1380
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: just like she's like getting a river and she's being

1381
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: knocked around.

1382
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 4: I feel like she's weirdly kind of subject to these

1383
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 4: like tropes I would normally and this is kind of

1384
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 4: like old hat at this point, but that I would

1385
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 4: like attribute to like a born sexy Yesterday character, except

1386
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 4: she wasn't born sexy yesterday, she was she was born, Like,

1387
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 4: we know so much about her origin story, we know

1388
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 4: so much about her, and so it's like, with all

1389
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 4: that being true, it's really bizarre that she has no

1390
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 4: reaction to anything that's going on. I do like, Okay,

1391
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 4: I just scrolled past this note and I don't know

1392
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 4: if I'll find it again, because I have so many

1393
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 4: notes that even in deep space, the poorly constructed H

1394
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 4: and m V neck will find its way to you.

1395
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 4: Everyone is wearing an H and M V neck at

1396
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 4: some point in the movie, including billionaire aliens, and I

1397
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 4: celebrate that that's monoculture in a way we no longer have.

1398
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: So true.

1399
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, So her brothers like, marry me, and

1400
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 4: she bafflingly is like, yeah, maybe her son.

1401
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 3: Her son's marry me, and she's like.

1402
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 4: And she's about to do it, and they literally I

1403
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 4: thought they were gonna do like a series of unfortunate

1404
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 4: events thing where she's like secretly kind of playing a

1405
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 4: trick and she's like, I'm going to sign the contract

1406
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 4: with the wrong hand or like somehow, but like no,

1407
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 4: she's just gonna marry him and wait for Channing Tatum

1408
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 4: to interrupt the wedding.

1409
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:45,440
Speaker 3: Yes, which is more or less what happens next. Titus

1410
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 3: disposes of Cain by like launching him into space, but

1411
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:54,560
Speaker 3: Cain uses his nifty gravity boots and a magical oxygen

1412
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 3: suit that he happens to have right there to survive

1413
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:03,799
Speaker 3: until he is rescued by Like they're described as space

1414
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: cops who we've seen before. They're like buds with Stinger.

1415
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 3: Stinger a penie, of course, so he gets rescueees Stinger

1416
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 3: is a penie. Yes. Jupiter meanwhile is going through with

1417
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 3: this marriage. So Cain and Stinger reconcile, and then they

1418
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 3: go to the wedding to stop it. And Caine is

1419
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 3: starting to realize that he's in love with Jupiter two,

1420
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 3: and so they go in and they crash the wedding

1421
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 3: and it's very Shrek crashing in to stop the Fiona

1422
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:44,759
Speaker 3: Farquad wedding.

1423
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 4: Sure, except we know what Fiona wants.

1424
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 3: Yes, that is the big difference.

1425
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 4: And also there's a huge matrix reference in Trek there

1426
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 4: is featuring Fiona.

1427
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 3: It's all connected, web connects them all, it sure does.

1428
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 4: I think maybe the only person who said with love

1429
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 4: the only person who maybe could have been worse in

1430
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 4: the part of Jupiter is to go to Johnson's to

1431
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 4: go to Johnson is maybe the only living actor who

1432
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 4: could have given less in this role.

1433
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this this movie is pretty like Madam Webbian.

1434
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: I think it's.

1435
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 4: She really could have but but maybe Dakota Johnson could

1436
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 4: have sold me on apathy as a as a character choice.

1437
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's remake it. I want to.

1438
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 4: I would love to see another Jupiter's ending. All they

1439
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 4: needed was four hundred million dollars and that would have That.

1440
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: Would have fixed it, that would have made the story

1441
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: made sense.

1442
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we all know that money equals good story exactly

1443
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,799
Speaker 3: for sure. Okay. So then Kine, who has rescued Jupiter

1444
01:23:55,880 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 3: from the wedding, takes her back to Earth, but when

1445
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 3: she goes into her house, her family is gone because

1446
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 3: they've been abducted by Balam's giant space lizard man. And

1447
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 3: then that other servant of Balam's, mister Knight, blackmails.

1448
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 4: Had completely forgotten about him.

1449
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 3: He blackmails Jupiter saying that if she relinquishes her title

1450
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 3: to Earth so that Balam can have it, they'll let

1451
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 3: her family live. So she agrees to go with mister

1452
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,759
Speaker 3: Knight to keep her family safe. She meets with Balam,

1453
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 3: who demands that she hand over her title to Earth,

1454
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 3: and she's like, well, if I do that, you're just

1455
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 3: gonna harvest and kill everyone there, and he's like yeah yeah,

1456
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 3: and she's like, well, I guess I should form an

1457
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 3: opinion about.

1458
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 4: That later, and she does.

1459
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 3: I guess and she says, no, don't do it, Balam.

1460
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 3: But before she can like really do anything on her own,

1461
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 3: Cain and his buddies attack Balum and I think the

1462
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 3: like the refinery where they make the youth juice at

1463
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 3: So things are kind of like crashing down around them,

1464
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 3: and Jupiter and Balom fall into a hole and they're

1465
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 3: like plummeting downward.

1466
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 4: One could one could even call it, okay, horrible in

1467
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 4: coming a plot hole. Oh wow?

1468
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,440
Speaker 3: Oh wait, I thought you were gonna say Jupiter descending.

1469
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 4: Oh god, if I only had a bigger brain. Thankfully

1470
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 4: you do.

1471
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 3: I do, so I got you covered. Thank you so

1472
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:52,560
Speaker 3: much anytime. Okay, So they're falling. Cain is I don't know,

1473
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 3: he's doing something. He's battling the giant lizards.

1474
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 4: He's busting as hump, He's busting us up.

1475
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 3: Jupiter starts to make her way back to Caine, but

1476
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:08,919
Speaker 3: then Balum attacks Jupiter again. They're fighting, they fall again,

1477
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 3: they're descending again, but then finally Caine swoops in with

1478
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 3: his gravity boots and saves Jupiter. I think this is

1479
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 3: the fifth or sixth time he has saved her throughout

1480
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 3: the movie.

1481
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, not to mention, I mean she's also been saved

1482
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 4: by characters. We never really get full context for thinking

1483
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 4: of you, missus ponytails, where the hell you were? You

1484
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 4: also saved Jupiter at some point?

1485
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 3: Wait? Who she has?

1486
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: Like the it's like purple hair.

1487
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, she has like purple pigtails that are like crimped,

1488
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 4: and she's got this cool outfit and she but like,

1489
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 4: I have no idea who she is. I don't know

1490
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 4: how beside she's on We see her once or twice.

1491
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 4: Oh wait, no, isn't she one of She's the kind

1492
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 4: of character you see and you're like, yeah, she's gonna

1493
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 4: be awesome, but then you just never really figure out

1494
01:26:58,400 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 4: who she is.

1495
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 3: Isn't she one of the bounty hunters who captures her?

1496
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 3: I don't think she saves.

1497
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 4: Who told you that?

1498
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 3: Who told me that?

1499
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 4: Yeah? Wait, I want I want to know who that

1500
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 4: character is.

1501
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 3: I mean if you if I'm thinking of who you're describing,

1502
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 3: I think she she like abducts Jupiter, not saves her.

1503
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 4: Well, she does Jupiter, I guess. I'm thinking, like Jupiter

1504
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 4: is like unconscious and someone wakes her up. Did she

1505
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 4: wake Jupiter up for being unconscious?

1506
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 3: Maybe I can't remember.

1507
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: He's in the like really long scene at the beginning

1508
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: that's like yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1509
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 4: And then she instruction Yeah yeah, she's a bounty.

1510
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: Join don't the two bounty hunters like join them?

1511
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 3: No?

1512
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:43,799
Speaker 4: On their side?

1513
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: Really I thought so too, but it was unclear.

1514
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Summer, you've seen this movie way more

1515
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 3: than me. But I was like, I was so locked in.

1516
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 3: I was like, I have to understand.

1517
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: No, you're doing so good. I was really wondering.

1518
01:27:56,200 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 3: I was like, reare, Okay, we're almost done, So given

1519
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 3: us the ultimate challenge. Yeah, Cain and Jupiter are making

1520
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 3: their way back to the ship, but oh no, something's

1521
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 3: about to explode. Will they make it in time? They do,

1522
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 3: and then Jupiter returns to Earth. She's safe and sound

1523
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,919
Speaker 3: with her mom and aunt and the rest of her family.

1524
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 3: Though she's back to cleaning toilets.

1525
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,879
Speaker 4: But now it's awesome.

1526
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 3: But now she's the Queen of Earth, so she loves

1527
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 3: her life.

1528
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 4: And now that's what I call You can't say that.

1529
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,759
Speaker 4: I mean, at the beginning she hated toilets, but now

1530
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:38,799
Speaker 4: she likes them.

1531
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 3: And that's an arc if I've ever seen one.

1532
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 4: That's an arc that counts.

1533
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 3: Then her family gives her the telescope that she was

1534
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 3: hoping to buy, and then the movie ends with her

1535
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,759
Speaker 3: not using it at all. Instead, she's noodling with Cain,

1536
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 3: who has wings now.

1537
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 4: Like a dog would right, right, guys, right.

1538
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 3: Exactly, and then she has his gravity boots on and

1539
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 3: then they're flying around together the end. Yes, so an

1540
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 3: hour and a half into the episode, let's take another

1541
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 3: break and we'll come back to discuss.

1542
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 4: And we're bad, We're back. I do feel like we've

1543
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 4: had a large portion of the discussion. Ye starting the

1544
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:35,799
Speaker 4: recap as is increasingly common on this show. But summer,

1545
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 4: where would you like to begin?

1546
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:43,520
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's talk about the mother daughter relationship, Jupiter's

1547
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: mother daughter relationship. Absolutely, I feel like there are there

1548
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 1: are movies when you rewatch them. Every time you watch it,

1549
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, oh, I forgot it starts like that,

1550
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 1: and this is one of them. I'm always like, oh, yeah,

1551
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,759
Speaker 1: it doesn't start with the toilets, it starts with the parents.

1552
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: And I think something that always throws me off is

1553
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: when her family buys her the telescope at the end.

1554
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: I always wonder when did her mom tell her about

1555
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:16,679
Speaker 1: the telescope? Like, when when did she get any kind

1556
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 1: of access to her family history. She says, like, my

1557
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: mom like pushed away all of her family except for

1558
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 1: her sister. And it seems like maybe she doesn't talk

1559
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 1: about her dad very much. Maybe she only knows the

1560
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: origin of her name, but I don't know. I always

1561
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: found that to be such a dropped thing. It's like,

1562
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: why does she know what telescope her dead dad had?

1563
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: How is it relevant to any of this? How do

1564
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: we spend so much time in space? And then like

1565
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 1: her astronomer father isn't relevant?

1566
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 4: Really he never comes back. That's really yeah. I felt

1567
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 4: the same. I just I have to believe and would

1568
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 4: I did not have a lot of luck finding out

1569
01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 4: like what happened in earlier drafts of this script, but

1570
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 4: that her mother had to like, especially at the end

1571
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 4: where it feels throwaway. In the version of the movie

1572
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 4: that we get where she's like, you know, I've really

1573
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 4: like she says something I can to like, I've realized,

1574
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 4: like you should be able to use a telescope and

1575
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 4: explore your passions and blah blah blah, and like says

1576
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 4: something that you're like, Well in a movie where this

1577
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 4: character was a character that could be really impactful and

1578
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 4: could have really like symbolized an arc that mother and

1579
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 4: daughter have been on, but like, I don't know, yeah,

1580
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 4: like somewhere, like you're saying, there's a lot established about

1581
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 4: the mom that I find it very hard to believe

1582
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 4: that there wasn't originally intentioned to have that mother daughter

1583
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 4: story running throughout, because that would also track with how

1584
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 4: disregulated the Abrasis family is yea with their dead mother,

1585
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 4: and then you have like why don't we know how

1586
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 4: I mean whatever, It's like, you know, Jupiter never knew

1587
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 4: her father and we don't really know how much or

1588
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 4: when she learned about him, But there are ways that

1589
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 4: you think that Jupiter could connect with In contrast, the

1590
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 4: Abrasis family, where they have a dead parent, they have

1591
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:16,520
Speaker 4: mommy issues, yeah, but none of these similarities are explored.

1592
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:20,680
Speaker 1: And like thinking about the Wizard of Oz comparison, so

1593
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:25,600
Speaker 1: much of like Dorothy's journey, right is seeing the parallels

1594
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 1: of the Ossians to the troubles that she has in

1595
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 1: her life at the start of the movie, right, like

1596
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 1: the mean Lady is the wicked Witch, and on and

1597
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:40,520
Speaker 1: on and on, right, And so it's it's very funny,

1598
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't know to be to site Wizard of All

1599
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: as an influence, but have such a drastic disconnect between

1600
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 1: these two narratives, especially with like any redmaking murders his mom,

1601
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: Like what I don't know, Like what does that do

1602
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 1: to a person to be faced with a person who

1603
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: has like killed the parent. Does it make you think

1604
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 1: about your relationship to your parent at all? It would

1605
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 1: make me right.

1606
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 4: And it's like, but that's kind of not Jupiter's style.

1607
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 4: Jupiter's like brain off.

1608
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 3: I was not really asking questions or being curious about anything.

1609
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 4: And that's actually self care. And she's like touching grass

1610
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 4: or something. But yeah, I guess something that I wondered

1611
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 4: that I'm like, maybe I'm really kind of like off

1612
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 4: the deep end here. But at the end when you

1613
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 4: find out randomly like Eddie Redmain murdered his mother, but

1614
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 4: he also says that she was begging to ask you,

1615
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 4: if not begged him to do we believe him there?

1616
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 4: Like I think we're supposed to believe him, but it

1617
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:53,560
Speaker 4: just feels like again like if true, so under explored. Yeah,

1618
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 4: and such a last minute thing to learn about a

1619
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 4: character before they fall into a literal void never to

1620
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 4: be seen again.

1621
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 1: I believed Tim, and I thought it was meant to

1622
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: say that there is like something in the genetics that

1623
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:12,759
Speaker 1: she possesses that like, oh, you hate your life because

1624
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:16,600
Speaker 1: my mother hated her life, and so you're genetically predisposed.

1625
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 3: I interpreted it as their mother realized the atrocities that

1626
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 3: she committed by harvesting humans from various planets.

1627
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 1: But see, like that would be great, like imagine that

1628
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: like an interiority of like your I don't know, like

1629
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 1: the being that you're reincarnated from, like like like like

1630
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 1: an Avatar cycle kind of thing, like teaching you the

1631
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 1: harm of that past life or whatever that would have

1632
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 1: been sick.

1633
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 4: Which is right, Yeah, But then even so, why would

1634
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 4: you force your son to do that?

1635
01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 6: That doesn't feel like a the way to do that,

1636
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 6: steady little son, right, You're like Eddie Redmain is having

1637
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 6: clearly enough issues as it is the genetics of it all.

1638
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 4: I don't really have that much to say that. It

1639
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 4: isn't extremely obvious, but there is a sort of I

1640
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,559
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know because it's like, you know,

1641
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 4: we have two iconic trans filmmakers making this film, so

1642
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, who the fuck am I? But you know,

1643
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 4: when genetics are brought up too much, you kind of

1644
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 4: have to start tilting your head a little bit and

1645
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:34,520
Speaker 4: being like, ah, I don't know.

1646
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 3: Again, it is the villains who are obsessed with, yeah,

1647
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 3: this whole genetic thing.

1648
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 4: Well but yes, but again it's like, but there's no

1649
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 4: pushback on the hero side. Like at the end, Mila Kunas,

1650
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:50,839
Speaker 4: due to genetics, owns the deed to Earth and seems

1651
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 4: fine with that. Yeah, because she will be a benevolent

1652
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 4: ruler to Earth.

1653
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 3: Right, so well, like.

1654
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 1: You know, functionally, what does it mean to own the

1655
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 1: Earth at that point? Like seemingly she doesn't, I don't

1656
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 1: know if she has she continues to have access to

1657
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 1: the technology of right, hey, the Braxist family because I

1658
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's it's very I mean, it's it's

1659
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,640
Speaker 1: poorly done. So there's many questions, but I think that

1660
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 1: there is such a strange sort of like she is

1661
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 1: happy now I guess because she has a dog boyfriend,

1662
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 1: but also because she is the owner of earth. But

1663
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 1: I think there you know, there is a there is

1664
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: like oh, like she wants to buy things and she

1665
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 1: has to work really hard. But does ownership of earth

1666
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: give her wealth?

1667
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1668
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what it gives.

1669
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 4: Her really know what she gets out of it? And

1670
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 4: also just I don't know. Jupiter, bless her heart, she

1671
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 4: is like unbelievably vague to the very end where the

1672
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 4: last time we see her with her family, she's like, sorry, everyone,

1673
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 4: I've got a date tonight. And then her aunt, because

1674
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 4: her aunt's whole thing is she is like a caricature

1675
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 4: of like I love astrology, which you think would become

1676
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:12,599
Speaker 4: plot relevant, but don't worry, it never does. And she's like,

1677
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 4: what's his sign? And Jupiter says, ha ha, I don't know.

1678
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 4: End of scene and see yup. Awesome.

1679
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 3: Well, to go back to your point summer about her

1680
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 3: relationship with her mother and how there were opportunities to

1681
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 3: characterize Jupiter, either by like setting up an arc or

1682
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 3: giving her a desire or motivation or something like that

1683
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 3: because she wants to buy this telescope, but we have

1684
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 3: no specific indication of why, Like, yeah, did her mother

1685
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:47,560
Speaker 3: tell her about her father's telescope.

1686
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 4: I have to believe there's a draft word where that

1687
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 4: was there.

1688
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:53,919
Speaker 3: Why true? Right, because she's gonna spend four thousand dollars

1689
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 3: on it, Yeah, that's that is no small purchase, But

1690
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 3: there's no indication that, like, maybe she wants to by

1691
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,639
Speaker 3: this telescope to feel closer to the memory of her father.

1692
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 3: Maybe she wants it because she legitimately has an interest

1693
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 3: in space. If so, that could explain why when she

1694
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 3: gets abducted and taken to space, she's like, this is

1695
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 3: actually cool the way that like Moana another hero's Journey

1696
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 3: chosen one style narrative that came out right around this time,

1697
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:25,679
Speaker 3: it's very clearly established that Moana longs to be out

1698
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,759
Speaker 3: on the ocean and to explore if there's a similar

1699
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 3: thing for Jupiter, where she likes she longs to explore space,

1700
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 3: but she it doesn't seem conceivable because she's a working

1701
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 3: class woman who will never have access to that. And

1702
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:43,719
Speaker 3: then when she finally does again, that could explain why

1703
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 3: she's so enamored by Oh I'm on this new planet,

1704
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 3: I'm meeting these aliens. This is also cool, this is

1705
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:53,440
Speaker 3: what I dreamed of. But because none of that is established,

1706
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 3: we have no idea how she feels about her situation.

1707
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 3: We have no idea what she wants or what motivates her.

1708
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 4: Choices, Like it reminds me of this is very random.

1709
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 4: But a recent criticism I saw of Belle from Beauty

1710
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 4: and the Beast in a YouTube video that I liked

1711
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 4: was that she is kind of a bizarre protagonist on

1712
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 4: the grounds that we know what she doesn't want, but

1713
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,840
Speaker 4: we don't know what she does want, which makes her

1714
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 4: whole journey rather confusing and sort of serves to make

1715
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 4: someone else the protagonist in her story, which is something

1716
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 4: I was thinking about with Jupiter and Cain, where I

1717
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 4: think Cain more clearly fits the role of a protagonist

1718
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 4: in that he grows and changes.

1719
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 3: And has a specific motivation, a specific desire yea.

1720
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 4: He wants his wings, which is vague but a tangible goal,

1721
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 4: whereas we really are only told what Jupiter doesn't want,

1722
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 4: and it's her life.

1723
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 3: Yes, she wants much more than this provincial life, right ye,

1724
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 3: which is that's the whole bells I want. It was

1725
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:04,840
Speaker 3: just just like I don't want this, but you're like, okay,

1726
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 3: but what do you want?

1727
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you could sort of give that character

1728
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 4: anything and be sort of like I guess maybe I

1729
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 4: don't know.

1730
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,600
Speaker 1: And then when Jupiter, it's like nothing really changes. I

1731
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 1: think that's that's the thing that's like always just so

1732
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: kooky at the end of the movie, Like she's so

1733
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 1: much happier, she's more a beat, she's full of life,

1734
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: and it's like that things are the same. Is it

1735
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 1: really just the boyfriend? I don't know, Like it's so

1736
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 1: it is so in some ways, it's kind of it's

1737
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 1: kind of fun to be like all she needed is

1738
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:41,160
Speaker 1: this like little secret that she owns the earth and

1739
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 1: she's good.

1740
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 4: But I don't know, I kind of I mean, I

1741
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 4: wanted to give the movie that like, and maybe I

1742
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 4: don't know. Again, I'm like, maybe I'm overthinking it, but

1743
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 4: like that at the end, I feel like there's I mean,

1744
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 4: it feels sort of similar to Dorothy, where Dorothy technically

1745
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 4: and up exactly where she started with a whole new

1746
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 4: appreciation for what she has. Maybe that's what it's supposed

1747
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 4: to be.

1748
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's like oh, I could have been harvested and

1749
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 3: I wasn't, so I'm grateful now.

1750
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 4: And it's just I just want more for her than

1751
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 4: to be satisfied that she hasn't been harvested. I don't know.

1752
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 4: I mean, although it's like there are a lot of

1753
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 4: really interesting ideas and like going back to like the Wachowski's, like, yeah,

1754
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:38,679
Speaker 4: they're not underthinking the mythology they're pulling from. They're pulling

1755
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 4: from these movies, but they're also pulling from a bunch

1756
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 4: of folklore, specifically like gnostic ideas and the Okay, I

1757
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 4: was I was afraid you would ask that. Sorry, sorry,

1758
01:41:56,080 --> 01:42:02,440
Speaker 4: not so like basically ideas of transhumanism, of gnosticism, of reincarnation.

1759
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 4: There is something I learned about called the Gaya hypothesis.

1760
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 4: I was really, I was summer. Maybe you know all

1761
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 4: of this way better than I know. Do you know

1762
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,720
Speaker 4: about the Gaya hypothesis? I was afraid that. I was, like,

1763
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 4: I'm like Mother Earth, yes exactly, that Jupiter is and

1764
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:25,600
Speaker 4: I guess that the Witch Housekis gave some interviews to

1765
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 4: this effect. But there's also just been a lot of

1766
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 4: speculation for people who are interested in folklore like this

1767
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 4: that Jupiter is supposed to be a representation of Earth

1768
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:41,599
Speaker 4: itself and is supposed to embody all of the gaya

1769
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 4: like beautiful qualities of Earth. I'm going to quote from

1770
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 4: bravely from a medium dot com interview here, So take

1771
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 4: with a grain of salt. But there's just really not

1772
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 4: a lot of good info about the background of this.

1773
01:42:56,160 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 4: This is from Golden Age timeline. Jupiter is said gnostic

1774
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 4: themes of transhumanism versus soul embo, spiritual awakening, and the

1775
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 4: divine feminism. One of the main themes in Jupiterous ending

1776
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,640
Speaker 4: relates to Gnosticism, an ancient religious movement associated with the

1777
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 4: Es Senes that views the material world as a lower

1778
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 4: density learning ground for souls to evolve. According to gnostic beliefs,

1779
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,679
Speaker 4: human souls are divine beings who choose to get trapped

1780
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 4: in the physical world that is controlled by evil archons.

1781
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 4: It's starting to give scientology here, and archon is defined

1782
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:35,519
Speaker 4: as a technological ruler that enslaves through mind control, frequency implants,

1783
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 4: and military strategies, and works through controlling more embodied sources

1784
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 4: such as corrupt humans or non humans perhaps bees or dinosaurs,

1785
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 4: only through attaining gnosis or esoteric spiritual knowledge. This is

1786
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 4: absolutely some l Roone humbridshit. Can the soul transcend its

1787
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 4: earthly prison and reach liberation? So it's pulling from ancient

1788
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 4: ideas that el Ron Hubber would later steal. And again,

1789
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:05,800
Speaker 4: like when I was reading stuff like this, I was like, oh,

1790
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:10,719
Speaker 4: I kind of see how the siblings fall into that idea,

1791
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:15,679
Speaker 4: and that Jupiter is theoretically a foil to that idea.

1792
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:19,880
Speaker 4: But again, she's so inactive that it's like hard to

1793
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:25,719
Speaker 4: telegraph those ideas effectively because she's not if she's embodying Earth,

1794
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 4: I don't think Earth is coming off particularly well. Like

1795
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 4: it's just sort of like, here's this because the idea

1796
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 4: of like harvesting humans for fuel is so horrific and potent,

1797
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 4: but it's kind of just like left there in this story.

1798
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't know I was thinking about. It starts with

1799
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 1: her theoretically donating her eggs, and I don't know, there's

1800
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:56,599
Speaker 1: something interesting there too, with a sort of kind of

1801
01:44:56,640 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 1: like exploitation of a working woman in like having to

1802
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 1: resort to donating your eggs in order to afford things

1803
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:09,320
Speaker 1: that you want and need. And also I don't know,

1804
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,759
Speaker 1: like the cousin thing is like it's absurd, like why

1805
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:14,799
Speaker 1: why is she letting her cousin take.

1806
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:17,759
Speaker 3: The bulk of the bulk it's going to earn.

1807
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 1: But I think there is something interesting there of like

1808
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:25,120
Speaker 1: this sort of patriarchal exploitation continuing, and then when she

1809
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 1: becomes a queen, there is a weird empowerment to it.

1810
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: But it just doesn't it doesn't work well right, And

1811
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 1: like I think that I don't know there is hearing

1812
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:37,560
Speaker 1: hearing you read these like spiritual themes, like that's so beautiful.

1813
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 1: I wish I wish it was coming through.

1814
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 4: I know, yeah, I think, Wait, sorry, can I tell

1815
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 4: you more about the guy A hypothesis? Yeah, because I

1816
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:50,479
Speaker 4: was like, I because I do believe, like I I

1817
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 4: don't know the Wachowski's, I fully believe they are well

1818
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 4: acquainted with the guy A hypothesis. This all feels very

1819
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 4: within their wheelhouse. And this is where I was like, wait,

1820
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,639
Speaker 4: this really could have been something. The Gya hypothesis posits

1821
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:06,120
Speaker 4: that the Earth, also known as Gaya, along with the

1822
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 4: planets and the stars, are sentient beings on their own

1823
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 4: evolutionary journey. Humans and other life forms on the planet

1824
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 4: are like cells within her body. Her desire to understand

1825
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 4: the origins of creation led her to bring the material

1826
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:22,240
Speaker 4: world into existence without approval from supreme creator of the

1827
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 4: universe aka eddie Redmain. And so there is this massive

1828
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 4: cosmic story that is being referenced. But of all the

1829
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 4: things that are explained to us in the course of

1830
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:39,639
Speaker 4: this story, this is something I could have actually really used.

1831
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 4: I don't know if that is what they're referencing, hmm,

1832
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:44,880
Speaker 4: but it's interesting. I was like, Oh, I want more

1833
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 4: about the Gaya hypothesis.

1834
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:53,800
Speaker 3: Something I think the movie does handle pretty well is

1835
01:46:54,160 --> 01:47:03,320
Speaker 3: its criticism of genocidal colonial capitalism, because the villains are

1836
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:10,879
Speaker 3: this royal family who control this empire where they implant

1837
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 3: human DNA on various planets, wait till the population grows

1838
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:21,560
Speaker 3: basically out of control and becomes unsustainable, and then harvests

1839
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 3: them aka kills everybody on the planet to create their

1840
01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:29,760
Speaker 3: youth juice. And the movie presents this as like, this

1841
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 3: is absolutely horrible and these they need to be stopped,

1842
01:47:34,439 --> 01:47:38,719
Speaker 3: and Jupiter is kind of the one to stop them,

1843
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:43,960
Speaker 3: but she barely does, and therein lies the problem. But

1844
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:49,240
Speaker 3: where I think the movie missteps with this is that

1845
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 3: the cops and the military of this movie are poised

1846
01:47:55,920 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 3: as the good guys actually, because with Cain being this

1847
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:08,600
Speaker 3: like ex military soldier character, and then with the Aegis,

1848
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:14,480
Speaker 3: which is the like cops, they're running around with Stinger

1849
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 3: and they help Caine and Jupiter with different things. They're

1850
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 3: always like, oh no, they're the good guys. They're helping,

1851
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 3: they're doing good stuff. And maybe maybe in this world

1852
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:33,240
Speaker 3: these sort of like intergalactic police and military are maybe

1853
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 3: doing good things and like holding the horrible genocide committers accountable.

1854
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:42,520
Speaker 4: But it seems like the rest of the world reflects

1855
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 4: ours enough that probably not exactly.

1856
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:49,439
Speaker 3: The far more likely scenario would be that the cops

1857
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 3: and the military are working to protect the property of

1858
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 3: the ruling class and carrying out the genocide on behalf

1859
01:48:57,360 --> 01:49:01,640
Speaker 3: of the ruling class. So yeah, the way these entities

1860
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 3: are portrayed in the movie does not track.

1861
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 1: I think there's just like a broader problem with sci

1862
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 1: fi often where genocide is kind of like this sort

1863
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 1: of like singular event, and I think it it's sort

1864
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 1: of like and it's happened in Star Wars, happens in

1865
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 1: like there was like a novel I read like a

1866
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 1: year after this. It was like a like a y

1867
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:31,200
Speaker 1: novel that was like Earth becomes inhabitable and so ever

1868
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:34,720
Speaker 1: moves to space and like there's like a genocide of

1869
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 1: like the space Arabs, and it's like the inciting incident

1870
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 1: for the novels, and it's just so casual of like

1871
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 1: the kind of aftermaths of like what genocide is, and

1872
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 1: it's often just this kind of like singular event. And

1873
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:53,799
Speaker 1: I think that similarly, this movie is doing that, which

1874
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 1: I think is sort of why we have those sort

1875
01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:00,160
Speaker 1: of broader I mean, of course, I don't know, we're

1876
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:02,719
Speaker 1: not how often we're gonna getting movies that are anti military,

1877
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 1: anti cop, like very rarely. If we're watching films that

1878
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: are two hundred million dollar budgets right like that, you're

1879
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:11,760
Speaker 1: not gonna get that. But I think that like it

1880
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:14,920
Speaker 1: is kind of like the Royals are bad because they

1881
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:17,800
Speaker 1: do this one singular act and so there are no

1882
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 1: reverberations of this event, right, and so the I don't know,

1883
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 1: it's like so interesting, what who who does this? Like

1884
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:33,960
Speaker 1: intergalactic space force answer to also is interesting. It's like

1885
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 1: who who is Who's in charge? Which also makes them

1886
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 1: feel like I don't know, I can't even like fathom

1887
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 1: a criticism of them because I'm like, they're nothing.

1888
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:47,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's it's yeah, the speaking to

1889
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:52,640
Speaker 4: to your point, like how this is presented in a

1890
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:54,760
Speaker 4: very movie like way of, oh well, if you get

1891
01:50:54,840 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 4: rid of these three people, everything will be fine, and

1892
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:03,320
Speaker 4: it's not like it's like I don't need Jupiter ascending

1893
01:51:03,400 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 4: to be like and here's what this is going to

1894
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:07,599
Speaker 4: look like on a longer timeline. But I don't think

1895
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 4: it's unreasonable to want like something that feels like such

1896
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 4: a gaping hole in this plot is like that we

1897
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 4: don't even really feel at the end from jupiter stated

1898
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:25,920
Speaker 4: intent to do better or that her I mean, we

1899
01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 4: know that she she disagrees with the I want to

1900
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:38,440
Speaker 4: keep using the dune name a Tredees, I'm thinking of Abrassics. Oh,

1901
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 4: we know that she knows that what the Abrassics family

1902
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:47,639
Speaker 4: represents and their genocidal ideology is horrific, But we don't

1903
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:51,960
Speaker 4: know what she is going to do. And that is like,

1904
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 4: it's very frustrating and bizarre in a movie that seems

1905
01:51:57,000 --> 01:52:01,200
Speaker 4: to want us to leave feeling like this character is

1906
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 4: going to do better and do differently, but we're just

1907
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:07,520
Speaker 4: sort of told like and now she has a boyfriend.

1908
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:10,800
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Well we learned that Earth is one of

1909
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 3: many planets, Yeah, that this dynasty harvests from. So is

1910
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:17,639
Speaker 3: she going?

1911
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 4: So wouldn't this be the beginning of a revolution?

1912
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:24,040
Speaker 3: Like exactly, Like wouldn't she try to? And maybe I

1913
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 3: mean this movie, this movie was planned to be the

1914
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:29,680
Speaker 3: first of a franchise, so maybe in in sequels that

1915
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 3: would never happen because this movie was a flop at

1916
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 3: the box office.

1917
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 4: I feel like, I don't know, I should try.

1918
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:35,800
Speaker 1: I guess.

1919
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:37,639
Speaker 3: It's time.

1920
01:52:38,240 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 4: It's time.

1921
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:39,800
Speaker 1: What I know.

1922
01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 4: They were just about to tell us.

1923
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:48,000
Speaker 3: We're just about to show her being the leader of

1924
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 3: a revolution, but oops, they forgot worth mentioning. And this

1925
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:56,680
Speaker 3: is something we've talked about on many past episodes, so

1926
01:52:56,800 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 3: we don't necessarily need to harp on it a ton.

1927
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:04,320
Speaker 3: But this is an action movie with a protagonist who

1928
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:08,600
Speaker 3: is a woman who is not allowed to participate in

1929
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:10,639
Speaker 3: the action most of the time.

1930
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 4: Oh, we should talk about it because it's egregious. Yeah,

1931
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:17,639
Speaker 4: she does nothing like.

1932
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 3: Not only just like, as we've already talked about, she

1933
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 3: doesn't really make any active choices that propel the narrative forward.

1934
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:29,080
Speaker 3: Nor does she participate in the actual like action sequences,

1935
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 3: any fight or chase sequences or anything like that. She

1936
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 3: is either having to be rescued. She is clinging to Cain,

1937
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 3: who is doing all of the action. And I did

1938
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:44,639
Speaker 3: count like I think five different times where she needed

1939
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 3: to be rescued by Cain usually and again, going back

1940
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:52,560
Speaker 3: to a comparison to the Matrix.

1941
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:54,960
Speaker 4: Movies, starts with Trinity.

1942
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 3: It starts with Trinity kicking ass. It's about Neo, who

1943
01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 3: again chosen One, had no prior combat experience, but in

1944
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:07,519
Speaker 3: that movie he trains and he becomes a fighter, and

1945
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:10,559
Speaker 3: then he fights in a bunch of fight scenes. Jupiter

1946
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:15,200
Speaker 3: also had no prior fighting experience, but then is never trained.

1947
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 3: It never fights, never participates, And I have to imagine

1948
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:23,120
Speaker 3: it's because Neo is a man and Jupiter is a woman.

1949
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 4: And which is all the more frustrating having this come

1950
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:31,679
Speaker 4: from women filmmakers who are historically feminist filmmakers. They made

1951
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:35,920
Speaker 4: bound right, What do you mean Jupiter isn't doing anything? Yeah?

1952
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:40,880
Speaker 1: I know, you know, thinking back to the weird undressing

1953
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:45,640
Speaker 1: while she's unconscious and putting things on. Even something like that,

1954
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 1: I feel like is asking for some kind of like

1955
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 1: mon taught, like outfit montage. You know, however corny or

1956
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:56,800
Speaker 1: like silly that would have been. I feel like, like,

1957
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, you get princess Diary's, you find out your royalty,

1958
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 1: you get a little makeover montage. And I don't want

1959
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 1: a makeover montage necessarily, but even that is something that

1960
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:12,080
Speaker 1: is less abhorrent than being like total loss of agency

1961
01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:16,400
Speaker 1: of like you being undressed, well unconscious and then change

1962
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,960
Speaker 1: where like I don't know, it feels like it feels

1963
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,080
Speaker 1: in line with well, of course, she also doesn't get

1964
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:25,880
Speaker 1: to learn to fight because she can't even try on

1965
01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:28,600
Speaker 1: outfits of her own free will.

1966
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean with sad in mine, it's like

1967
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 4: one of the few things a lot of women protagonists

1968
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 4: do have is a way to telegraph their personality through

1969
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:43,840
Speaker 4: what they're wearing. And Jupiter doesn't even get that because

1970
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:47,960
Speaker 4: other people are undressing her, arguably via assault, so we

1971
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 4: don't even know like what her personal style is other

1972
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 4: than like what we see her wearing at work. I ah, man, yeah,

1973
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 4: I I that point about Neo makes so much sense

1974
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:00,480
Speaker 4: because I was thinking a lot about how in the

1975
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:03,160
Speaker 4: mid twenty tens there's a lot of talk about Mary

1976
01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:07,720
Speaker 4: too characters. Yeah, and like how I think it was

1977
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:11,960
Speaker 4: sort of a kind of nothing argument in the case

1978
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 4: of some where, yes, there are definitely Mary Sue characters

1979
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:17,600
Speaker 4: that are, you know, maybe frustrating, but I think that

1980
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:21,240
Speaker 4: that exists with men as well, and is not hers

1981
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:23,640
Speaker 4: back on half the same amount, and that it's an

1982
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 4: over correction usually weaponized by male critics. But it almost

1983
01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 4: felt like with Jupiter it was like, oh, well, of course,

1984
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:32,440
Speaker 4: you know, she's just a regular girl. She wouldn't know

1985
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:35,640
Speaker 4: how to fight, And you're like, yeah, Neo was a

1986
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:36,480
Speaker 4: regular guy.

1987
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:40,160
Speaker 3: He was a computer programmer or something.

1988
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:43,879
Speaker 4: But he learned how to fight and it was awesome

1989
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:47,280
Speaker 4: to watch. But and also like part of this could

1990
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 4: be solved by writing, is like if we knew that

1991
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:52,320
Speaker 4: even if Jupiter didn't have the ability she needed at

1992
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:57,080
Speaker 4: the beginning, if she had the interest in astronomy, feels

1993
01:56:57,120 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 4: like the obvious thing. If she had an interest in

1994
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:05,280
Speaker 4: something that could translate to a usable skill. But she's

1995
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 4: not given an interest or an ambition, and it's not

1996
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:12,280
Speaker 4: translated to a usable skill. They don't even bother to

1997
01:57:12,280 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 4: give her an interest that doesn't really come up.

1998
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:16,960
Speaker 1: Ever, they couldn't even just like given her like a

1999
01:57:17,120 --> 01:57:19,960
Speaker 1: gun or something. I don't know, Like what is this

2000
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:24,080
Speaker 1: like advanced technology. She doesn't even get like a laser

2001
01:57:24,160 --> 01:57:25,840
Speaker 1: gun or something. I don't know.

2002
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:29,080
Speaker 4: She doesn't even get to lay it like she yah. Yeah.

2003
01:57:29,120 --> 01:57:32,640
Speaker 4: Her big moment is telling Eddie Redmain, I'm not your mother,

2004
01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:33,400
Speaker 4: and you're.

2005
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:35,240
Speaker 1: Like they're hitting him with like a crowbar.

2006
01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:41,200
Speaker 3: That is the one scene where she does some combat

2007
01:57:41,680 --> 01:57:46,560
Speaker 3: in this movie full of combat where they're scuffling. She

2008
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 3: picks up a pipe or something, gets a few good

2009
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:56,080
Speaker 3: hits in, but then for some reason tosses her weapon aside,

2010
01:57:56,360 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 3: and he's still there. He could still very easily over

2011
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:00,560
Speaker 3: power her.

2012
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 4: I mean any Redmid really just like pops up wherever

2013
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:07,440
Speaker 4: the plot needs him to, where he's just like wink,

2014
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:08,760
Speaker 4: here I am, and he's.

2015
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 1: Like I it.

2016
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:15,360
Speaker 3: He's so weird because he disappears for like a full

2017
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:17,560
Speaker 3: hour in the middle of the movie.

2018
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:21,400
Speaker 4: Well he's scolding lizards at his last feeling what do

2019
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:24,520
Speaker 4: you think he's doing? He is so funny in this

2020
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:28,920
Speaker 4: he to be fair, I appreciate I've watched a video

2021
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:31,640
Speaker 4: he gave a video of an interview he gave on

2022
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:34,760
Speaker 4: the Red Carpet at the Oscars where he was about

2023
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:39,000
Speaker 4: to I think win for thory of Everything. Again, I

2024
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:41,440
Speaker 4: haven't seen it, but he he did have a very

2025
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:47,240
Speaker 4: good attitude about winning the Razzie. He said quote, I

2026
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:51,400
Speaker 4: gave what I thought was a very bold performance, but

2027
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:56,160
Speaker 4: it turned out to be a bit disastrous. And first

2028
01:58:56,200 --> 01:58:58,880
Speaker 4: of all, don't be so hard on yourself, King, And

2029
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:02,400
Speaker 4: second of all, I just appreciate when someone takes something

2030
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:05,720
Speaker 4: like that in stride. And it wouldn't be his last

2031
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:08,680
Speaker 4: big swing that people didn't care for. If you recall

2032
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:12,080
Speaker 4: him recently appearing in Cabaret, where a lot of people

2033
01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:16,280
Speaker 4: did not appreciate Eddie Redmain's swing. I can't speak to it,

2034
01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:20,720
Speaker 4: but yeah, he uh, he swings and he misses.

2035
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:22,720
Speaker 3: Well, he was just doing what all of them were

2036
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:26,360
Speaker 3: doing for seven months, busting their humps.

2037
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:31,280
Speaker 4: Look, humps were being busted. I appreciated the swing.

2038
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that, like I don't know as

2039
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:38,880
Speaker 1: much as I and like, you know, this movie's bad,

2040
01:59:38,920 --> 01:59:40,880
Speaker 1: I love it in all of the ways that it's bad.

2041
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:44,040
Speaker 1: I think Eddie Redmain is doing exactly like what you.

2042
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 4: Want what the movie for.

2043
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's really fun, Like I find it very

2044
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:53,440
Speaker 1: compelling I enjoy the choices he's making and like, I

2045
01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:56,520
Speaker 1: don't know, like it's it's weird and it's kind of like,

2046
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:59,840
Speaker 1: well why not. I don't know, like let's go for.

2047
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 4: That's us Like that's a Wachowski movie too of like yeah,

2048
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 4: you're you're a weird villain. I don't know. Yeah, I

2049
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 4: thought it was fun. I like I think that as

2050
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:13,120
Speaker 4: you're talking about this summer, it feels like, I don't know,

2051
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:15,560
Speaker 4: this is how I feel a lot about like I

2052
02:00:15,720 --> 02:00:21,040
Speaker 4: Frankenstein sometimes where you're just like it is unquestionably a

2053
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:25,080
Speaker 4: swing and a miss, but everyone is. You can really

2054
02:00:25,200 --> 02:00:30,920
Speaker 4: feel everyone being like we're gonna do something cool here,

2055
02:00:31,480 --> 02:00:34,000
Speaker 4: and I just like cannot help but be charmed by

2056
02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:37,520
Speaker 4: it even though it never comes together.

2057
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:41,840
Speaker 1: It's like, isn't it so cool to try something? You know?

2058
02:00:43,120 --> 02:00:48,240
Speaker 4: It's beautiful? Yeah, I don't know. I just I think

2059
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:52,760
Speaker 4: that they should give the Razzie to someone else. There's

2060
02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:55,720
Speaker 4: a few out there. There's other women in this movie.

2061
02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:59,480
Speaker 4: There were not many that we really get to know

2062
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:04,640
Speaker 4: very well, but I did want to shout out. Familists

2063
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 4: character played by Googa, who has been in a bunch

2064
02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:15,280
Speaker 4: of things. She is a half human half deer.

2065
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:17,400
Speaker 3: Oh those are deer ears.

2066
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:21,360
Speaker 4: Yes, those are deer ears. They look like gigantic mouse ears,

2067
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:25,440
Speaker 4: but they are deer ears played by a very talented

2068
02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:30,800
Speaker 4: actor who is being underused. We also have Captain of

2069
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:34,920
Speaker 4: the aegis Diamika. I think I don't know if we

2070
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:37,040
Speaker 4: hear her name spoken out loud very often, but we.

2071
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:39,480
Speaker 3: Do, keeping her like captain singh.

2072
02:01:39,200 --> 02:01:42,839
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, but we see her a number of times.

2073
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 4: She is generally just commenting on what others are doing.

2074
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:53,000
Speaker 4: But hey, so is Jupiter, and she she has I

2075
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:57,680
Speaker 4: think a fair amount of presence in the movie. She's there. Yeah,

2076
02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:00,280
Speaker 4: that my it.

2077
02:02:01,640 --> 02:02:07,360
Speaker 3: That's more or less. It's it did seem like casting wise,

2078
02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:12,120
Speaker 3: there was a commitment to casting not just white people.

2079
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:16,400
Speaker 3: It's mostly white people in the main roles.

2080
02:02:16,680 --> 02:02:18,720
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, with characters who have impact on

2081
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:20,520
Speaker 4: the plot. And I do think it is still majority

2082
02:02:20,520 --> 02:02:21,400
Speaker 4: of the white characters.

2083
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:22,280
Speaker 3: This is true.

2084
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:26,480
Speaker 1: Like the Bee people didn't need to be white, you.

2085
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:31,520
Speaker 3: Know, certainly not Why yeah, why is Sean Bee would

2086
02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:32,720
Speaker 3: be there? They can you know.

2087
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:38,600
Speaker 4: I It's all just it's just like who would I

2088
02:02:38,720 --> 02:02:42,920
Speaker 4: wish into this scenario. I don't know who is mister Knight.

2089
02:02:44,440 --> 02:02:47,879
Speaker 3: What what is that? A character who.

2090
02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:50,880
Speaker 4: Is mister Knight? I was not quite I gave up

2091
02:02:50,920 --> 02:02:53,840
Speaker 4: on trying to figure out who mister Knight was and

2092
02:02:53,960 --> 02:02:55,640
Speaker 4: just decided to enjoy the ride.

2093
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:58,400
Speaker 3: Well, think of it like, think of it in terms

2094
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:06,480
Speaker 3: of minions. I love to Balamist group. Mister Knight is

2095
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:08,680
Speaker 3: probably like Kevin Kevin Lemgnon.

2096
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:12,440
Speaker 4: He kind of is kind of Kevin coded, isn't he?

2097
02:03:12,440 --> 02:03:15,600
Speaker 4: He reminded me of Summer. Did you ever read Circu Freak?

2098
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:20,280
Speaker 4: I loved circ to Freak when I was a kid.

2099
02:03:20,640 --> 02:03:23,720
Speaker 4: That was my like pre Twilight Vampire book. It was

2100
02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:27,760
Speaker 4: like for preteens and there's a villain in there that

2101
02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:29,760
Speaker 4: even when I was a kid, I was like, all right,

2102
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:34,120
Speaker 4: this is getting ridiculous. There's a character named Desmond Tiny

2103
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:41,320
Speaker 4: aka des Tiny Destiny, and even at the time, I

2104
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:43,560
Speaker 4: was like, all right, all right, this is too much

2105
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:47,560
Speaker 4: and I'm ten. Mister Knight feels like that where you're

2106
02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:53,080
Speaker 4: like it's like, what do you look? Sure? I'm ten,

2107
02:03:53,240 --> 02:03:58,080
Speaker 4: but I'm not. I can read. I can handle something

2108
02:03:58,120 --> 02:04:03,160
Speaker 4: more complicated than mister Knight, but they didn't believe it. Yeah,

2109
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:07,360
Speaker 4: does Tiny. I will never stop thinking about Desmond tiny.

2110
02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:15,000
Speaker 3: I'll never stop thinking about stinger a Penie stinger pee uh.

2111
02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:18,320
Speaker 1: Thinking about the women. I think it is a bummer

2112
02:04:18,360 --> 02:04:21,200
Speaker 1: that the sister of the family kind of has the

2113
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:25,920
Speaker 1: least amount to do of the siblings. I guess she

2114
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:30,680
Speaker 1: does reveal like how how their youth works, and that's

2115
02:04:30,720 --> 02:04:35,160
Speaker 1: like important, plot relevant, but I don't know, like they

2116
02:04:35,240 --> 02:04:38,640
Speaker 1: all have a weird, like erotic relationship with this woman

2117
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:42,360
Speaker 1: that looks like their mom. Couldn't she have tricked the marriage?

2118
02:04:42,440 --> 02:04:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.

2119
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:47,600
Speaker 4: I know, it's like it's not like I more. Yeah,

2120
02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:50,160
Speaker 4: I was like the other two were being so evil

2121
02:04:50,480 --> 02:04:53,240
Speaker 4: that it's like it does feel like she mostly just

2122
02:04:53,240 --> 02:04:54,840
Speaker 4: sets up the plot and she's like we would get

2123
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:58,360
Speaker 4: along great, yeah, and then she's gone, and you're like me,

2124
02:04:58,440 --> 02:05:01,600
Speaker 4: of all her brothers are you know, well especially I

2125
02:05:01,600 --> 02:05:05,520
Speaker 4: think Titus Titus, Titus is the weirdest of all.

2126
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:10,080
Speaker 1: So Titus is the youngest, right, Yes, Okay, I've been,

2127
02:05:10,240 --> 02:05:14,640
Speaker 1: I've been. I've been very Bridgerton pilled lately. And so

2128
02:05:14,680 --> 02:05:18,920
Speaker 1: I was thinking about, like, you know, like the inheritance

2129
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:22,640
Speaker 1: in a royal family or like a wealthy family, and

2130
02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:25,040
Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, I guess. I guess the youngest

2131
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:29,880
Speaker 1: son would be the most evil because he doesn't he

2132
02:05:29,960 --> 02:05:32,200
Speaker 1: has the least inheritance.

2133
02:05:33,280 --> 02:05:35,640
Speaker 4: Or like the most heads to chop to arrive at

2134
02:05:35,640 --> 02:05:41,400
Speaker 4: an inheritance. Yeah, yeah, he he definitely. I was like, Wow,

2135
02:05:41,480 --> 02:05:45,960
Speaker 4: he really makes to me because Baalam is so I

2136
02:05:45,960 --> 02:05:50,160
Speaker 4: mean iconic, but his his goals are vague, and I

2137
02:05:50,200 --> 02:05:53,120
Speaker 4: think part of what makes Titus diabolical is that he's

2138
02:05:53,200 --> 02:05:56,680
Speaker 4: also like two horny, which is a great quality and

2139
02:05:56,720 --> 02:06:01,720
Speaker 4: a villain. Ballum is just kind of pacing around his

2140
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:05,520
Speaker 4: office yelling at dinosaurs, and his whole thing is I

2141
02:06:05,560 --> 02:06:09,240
Speaker 4: start a sentence loud and then I ended very quiet,

2142
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:15,240
Speaker 4: and I like, he's just doing something totally different. But Titus,

2143
02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:17,600
Speaker 4: I feel like, is to me the scariest of the three.

2144
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:22,160
Speaker 4: And I agree that, like, you know, not that I whatever, like,

2145
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:25,600
Speaker 4: if we're gonna have three villains, then don't make the

2146
02:06:25,960 --> 02:06:29,160
Speaker 4: women of them kind of just like vaguely threatening.

2147
02:06:29,480 --> 02:06:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's kind of just there. I don't know,

2148
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:34,840
Speaker 1: like I don't know where her goals are necessarily, I

2149
02:06:34,840 --> 02:06:35,240
Speaker 1: don't know.

2150
02:06:35,720 --> 02:06:38,160
Speaker 3: They all want to manipulate Jupiter in some ways so

2151
02:06:38,200 --> 02:06:41,600
Speaker 3: that they can have access to Earth. They go about

2152
02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:43,800
Speaker 3: it different ways, and many of those ways don't really

2153
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:44,800
Speaker 3: make any sense.

2154
02:06:45,480 --> 02:06:49,280
Speaker 4: But it seems like Kaliku's goals being or like the

2155
02:06:49,480 --> 02:06:53,640
Speaker 4: information collique in parts, being related to physical beauty also

2156
02:06:53,720 --> 02:06:58,640
Speaker 4: feels very gender yes, because this is not something that

2157
02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:03,040
Speaker 4: the men are really bringing up in the same context. Again,

2158
02:07:03,120 --> 02:07:07,400
Speaker 4: so whoever is editing this Wikipedia page clearly shares our

2159
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:11,440
Speaker 4: opinions because in the description. The character description for Khalik

2160
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:17,080
Speaker 4: tuppens Middleson as Khaleik Abersach's second primary of the ballum

2161
02:07:17,120 --> 02:07:20,520
Speaker 4: and Titus's sister whose motives appear to be less business

2162
02:07:20,520 --> 02:07:23,400
Speaker 4: oriented than her brother's, which I think is a polite

2163
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:28,680
Speaker 4: way of saying, so what does she want? Like it

2164
02:07:28,720 --> 02:07:30,720
Speaker 4: seems like she might just want a friend.

2165
02:07:31,240 --> 02:07:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2166
02:07:31,720 --> 02:07:35,520
Speaker 4: Also, I didn't know that Terry Gilliam has a cameo

2167
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:41,120
Speaker 4: in this movie. Whoa who the seal insignet minister, the

2168
02:07:41,160 --> 02:07:46,400
Speaker 4: bureaucrat who confirms Jupiter's title to Earth, And I like

2169
02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:49,240
Speaker 4: Terry Gillium. I wouldn't recon it, but that's Terry Gillium.

2170
02:07:49,280 --> 02:07:50,880
Speaker 4: And and that was like a big deal for the

2171
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:53,560
Speaker 4: Wochowskis because they love Terry Gillium. So that's kind of

2172
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:54,520
Speaker 4: fun good for those.

2173
02:07:55,080 --> 02:07:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sweet.

2174
02:07:56,200 --> 02:07:59,680
Speaker 3: He directed one of my favorite movies ever, Earned Twelve Monkeys.

2175
02:08:00,160 --> 02:08:04,080
Speaker 4: He's great and definitely like a big influence on The Wachowski.

2176
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:06,600
Speaker 4: So I thought that was sweet. I wish it was

2177
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:09,200
Speaker 4: in a different movie, but also kind of awesome because

2178
02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:12,640
Speaker 4: Terry gilliam has also liked the Wachowski has made a

2179
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:16,920
Speaker 4: lot of swings, some of which have connected and some

2180
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:21,160
Speaker 4: not so much. And that's what Also the fact that

2181
02:08:21,240 --> 02:08:24,480
Speaker 4: they were making I haven't seen Cloud Outless before, but

2182
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:27,160
Speaker 4: that the fact that they were they were working, they

2183
02:08:27,160 --> 02:08:29,120
Speaker 4: were finishing Cloud out Lists at the time that they

2184
02:08:29,120 --> 02:08:32,120
Speaker 4: were working on Jupiter Ascending, and you're just like they

2185
02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:34,880
Speaker 4: just had a rough twenty tens, Like there's no way

2186
02:08:34,920 --> 02:08:35,400
Speaker 4: around it.

2187
02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:39,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw Cloud out Lists and it's maybe not

2188
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:44,240
Speaker 3: their best work, to put it lightly, that's okay, But

2189
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:47,440
Speaker 3: we all just have to go watch speed Racer too.

2190
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:48,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go to speed Racer.

2191
02:08:49,240 --> 02:08:51,760
Speaker 3: Let's do it. Does anyone have anything else they'd like

2192
02:08:51,880 --> 02:08:52,720
Speaker 3: to talk about?

2193
02:08:54,120 --> 02:08:58,160
Speaker 1: Just the loose the like aerial fight at the beginning

2194
02:08:58,280 --> 02:09:05,680
Speaker 1: between the Bounty Hunters came so long, so long, and

2195
02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:09,200
Speaker 1: it's like there's your Star Wars, you know, It's like

2196
02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:13,400
Speaker 1: very very much like pod Racer, Phantom Menace vibes.

2197
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:17,200
Speaker 4: It is, it is, it is, It is very Prequels vibes.

2198
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:20,000
Speaker 1: It's so funny to be like, let's take the thing

2199
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:22,200
Speaker 1: that people famously hated.

2200
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:26,000
Speaker 4: And do it too, do it again, much like the Prequels.

2201
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:29,560
Speaker 4: My eyes glazed over immediately, and you're like, unfortunately, there

2202
02:09:29,600 --> 02:09:32,480
Speaker 4: goes probably one hundred and fifty million dollars, and I

2203
02:09:32,640 --> 02:09:37,760
Speaker 4: just like, I'm like, okay, so where's Channing Tatum dug.

2204
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:41,120
Speaker 3: Well, especially because it's characters who we do not know

2205
02:09:41,720 --> 02:09:44,760
Speaker 3: what role they plan the story. Yeah, Channing Tatum is there.

2206
02:09:44,840 --> 02:09:50,120
Speaker 3: His character will become we will come to understand his significance,

2207
02:09:50,160 --> 02:09:52,240
Speaker 3: but at this point we don't know who the fuck

2208
02:09:52,480 --> 02:09:55,240
Speaker 3: he is, and the movie doesn't make it clear. So

2209
02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:57,760
Speaker 3: now we're just watching a bunch of random ass people

2210
02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:01,920
Speaker 3: flying around on gravity boots and we're just like, why

2211
02:10:01,960 --> 02:10:03,840
Speaker 3: am I watching this? Who are these people? What?

2212
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:04,720
Speaker 1: Well?

2213
02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:07,440
Speaker 4: And the fact and this is again like we're like

2214
02:10:08,320 --> 02:10:10,040
Speaker 4: snake eating it's on tail at this point, but I'm

2215
02:10:10,120 --> 02:10:14,280
Speaker 4: having so much fun. Like the two characters we meet

2216
02:10:14,760 --> 02:10:18,160
Speaker 4: in the introduction have no bearing on the plot. Jupiter's

2217
02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:21,280
Speaker 4: parents no bearing on the plot, the father least of all.

2218
02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2219
02:10:21,720 --> 02:10:24,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the mother may be in some draft, but

2220
02:10:24,640 --> 02:10:27,320
Speaker 4: not in what we get. So it's like we meet

2221
02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:33,200
Speaker 4: two characters very intentionally and basically never interact with them again,

2222
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:37,360
Speaker 4: except very superficially in the case of Jupiter's mom. Yes,

2223
02:10:37,400 --> 02:10:39,400
Speaker 4: and then like you're saying, like, then we meet all

2224
02:10:39,480 --> 02:10:42,360
Speaker 4: these other characters who we have no attachment or stakes too.

2225
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:46,000
Speaker 4: And unless you watch this movie five times, you don't

2226
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:49,600
Speaker 4: even know that Sean Bean is half honey bee. And

2227
02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:51,960
Speaker 4: I really feel like they should really bash you over

2228
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:54,160
Speaker 4: the head with that information because that's so awesome.

2229
02:10:54,680 --> 02:10:58,080
Speaker 1: Yes, I do love the scene of all of the

2230
02:10:58,080 --> 02:11:02,120
Speaker 1: bees like coming to her. I find it very pretty

2231
02:11:02,240 --> 02:11:07,640
Speaker 1: with the like the the plants. Yeah, it's like, all right,

2232
02:11:08,160 --> 02:11:10,880
Speaker 1: another like fifty million right there, because they must be

2233
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:12,800
Speaker 1: cgi bees, right, they got it?

2234
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:14,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, what if they just threw a hive of

2235
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:17,440
Speaker 4: bees at Mailicunis? That would be so wild?

2236
02:11:17,720 --> 02:11:19,600
Speaker 1: They did, do you that? On Supernatures?

2237
02:11:20,360 --> 02:11:20,760
Speaker 3: Whoa?

2238
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:26,120
Speaker 4: They say more wait, okay for listeners that may somehow

2239
02:11:26,280 --> 02:11:31,200
Speaker 4: not know Summer is the I was a premier supernatural scholar.

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02:11:31,720 --> 02:11:32,120
Speaker 1: Thank you.

2241
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:33,000
Speaker 4: Yes.

2242
02:11:33,560 --> 02:11:38,800
Speaker 1: In an episode in season one, they sic a swarm

2243
02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:43,360
Speaker 1: of bees on to Jensen Acles and Jared Padaluki. It

2244
02:11:43,480 --> 02:11:45,960
Speaker 1: is an episode called Bugs. There's lots of bugs in

2245
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:49,200
Speaker 1: it and they're like real, real bees and they are

2246
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:53,360
Speaker 1: in enclosed space. And then it didn't show up well

2247
02:11:53,400 --> 02:11:59,520
Speaker 1: on camera and so they did SEEGI the bees anyway, Andy,

2248
02:11:59,680 --> 02:12:03,240
Speaker 1: just like through bees on these guys, and this is

2249
02:12:03,240 --> 02:12:06,320
Speaker 1: like season one, and so it's like, you know, you

2250
02:12:06,360 --> 02:12:08,400
Speaker 1: can't what can you? What can you say?

2251
02:12:08,880 --> 02:12:09,160
Speaker 4: You know.

2252
02:12:10,720 --> 02:12:13,880
Speaker 1: You don't have that much power, right, They're forcing me

2253
02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:15,520
Speaker 1: into a room with bees. And I think about it

2254
02:12:15,600 --> 02:12:20,360
Speaker 1: every time I see bees in any film, any movie,

2255
02:12:20,760 --> 02:12:22,160
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, yeah, I remember.

2256
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:23,480
Speaker 3: Wow.

2257
02:12:23,640 --> 02:12:27,200
Speaker 4: My friend Nina texted me today. It was like because

2258
02:12:27,240 --> 02:12:30,200
Speaker 4: she saw that I had logged Jupiter Ascending on letterbox

2259
02:12:30,880 --> 02:12:33,200
Speaker 4: and she was just like, I think of this movie

2260
02:12:33,240 --> 02:12:35,840
Speaker 4: every time I see bees. Ten out of ten. I

2261
02:12:35,880 --> 02:12:38,440
Speaker 4: was like, that's beautiful a movie. And now I will

2262
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:41,360
Speaker 4: think of Jupiter Ascending every time I see bees.

2263
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:44,960
Speaker 1: I really will, I mean, and I do. I think

2264
02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:52,000
Speaker 1: of bees are genetically designed to recognize royalty, Like that's

2265
02:12:52,040 --> 02:12:55,440
Speaker 1: my b movie script, just like it's just in there

2266
02:12:55,600 --> 02:12:58,960
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, I do. I think it's I

2267
02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:02,200
Speaker 1: think it's a lot of like cool looking things in

2268
02:13:02,240 --> 02:13:02,800
Speaker 1: this movie.

2269
02:13:03,120 --> 02:13:06,160
Speaker 3: I mean visually, like I think the world building, the

2270
02:13:06,160 --> 02:13:11,480
Speaker 3: production design. Yeah, visually like the movie is pretty good.

2271
02:13:12,040 --> 02:13:14,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's like you are getting the Wachowski treatment,

2272
02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:16,600
Speaker 4: like it is a visual feast.

2273
02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I always think about Jupiter's like wedding dress, the

2274
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:24,280
Speaker 1: like the head piece, and like how her hair is

2275
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:31,280
Speaker 1: so cool, like very like pop star. You know, yes,

2276
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:34,520
Speaker 1: I love that. I feel like I always misremember the

2277
02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:37,200
Speaker 1: outfits as like more fabulous than they are, Like they're

2278
02:13:37,240 --> 02:13:40,400
Speaker 1: kind of the dresses themselves are kind of like simple.

2279
02:13:40,600 --> 02:13:43,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, just that that hair so gorgeous.

2280
02:13:44,320 --> 02:13:49,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well it passes the Bactels test. Actually it does.

2281
02:13:49,640 --> 02:13:52,840
Speaker 4: Look look, there's no way around it. Mila Kunis meets

2282
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:56,560
Speaker 4: a lot of blonde women in this movie, and there

2283
02:13:56,640 --> 02:14:00,560
Speaker 4: are like brief exchanges she has with her mother, her aunt,

2284
02:14:01,400 --> 02:14:03,120
Speaker 4: with the sister.

2285
02:14:04,720 --> 02:14:06,839
Speaker 3: Khaleiku and Khalik.

2286
02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:11,840
Speaker 4: I will say that, like most interactions that Miela Kunas

2287
02:14:11,880 --> 02:14:14,600
Speaker 4: has with anyone of any gener in this movie, it

2288
02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:16,920
Speaker 4: is mostly her just being like either saying hello, I'm

2289
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:20,840
Speaker 4: Jupiter Jones or saying hello, where am I? What is this?

2290
02:14:22,120 --> 02:14:25,480
Speaker 4: But those are important interactions because I would also like

2291
02:14:25,560 --> 02:14:28,000
Speaker 4: to know where she is and what is this.

2292
02:14:28,840 --> 02:14:31,320
Speaker 3: And then there's that one scene where she says call me.

2293
02:14:31,400 --> 02:14:34,600
Speaker 1: Joop, Like what do you mean?

2294
02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:37,200
Speaker 3: Since when do you go by Joop?

2295
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:40,160
Speaker 1: She like just decided that surely.

2296
02:14:40,360 --> 02:14:43,720
Speaker 3: Well, she's in space. Now she's reinventing herself. It's like

2297
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:45,720
Speaker 3: when you go to college and you're like, I have

2298
02:14:45,800 --> 02:14:47,200
Speaker 3: a I'm a new person.

2299
02:14:47,560 --> 02:14:50,480
Speaker 4: It reminded me of a very humiliating like week in

2300
02:14:50,520 --> 02:14:53,000
Speaker 4: middle school for me where I both tried to get

2301
02:14:53,000 --> 02:14:57,120
Speaker 4: people to call to call me JJ and when that

2302
02:14:57,160 --> 02:15:01,560
Speaker 4: didn't stick, I was like, how about mem? And neither

2303
02:15:01,640 --> 02:15:05,560
Speaker 4: of them stuck j me me and I get it.

2304
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:09,200
Speaker 4: I've never had a nickname. This really worked out for

2305
02:15:09,240 --> 02:15:12,800
Speaker 4: me in my life. But that's okay. It's okay, it's

2306
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:14,880
Speaker 4: a short name. It's fine.

2307
02:15:16,600 --> 02:15:19,879
Speaker 3: It does pass the Bechtel test. What about our nipple scale,

2308
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:23,080
Speaker 3: the scale where we rate the movie zero to five

2309
02:15:23,160 --> 02:15:27,560
Speaker 3: nipples based on examining it through an intersectional feminist lens.

2310
02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:29,680
Speaker 4: Summer, I almost want to let you go first. You're

2311
02:15:29,680 --> 02:15:33,600
Speaker 4: the expert, like tell us, oh my god.

2312
02:15:34,040 --> 02:15:38,360
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the jubiter ascending in my head five,

2313
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:44,520
Speaker 1: But it's got to be like one, like there are

2314
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:48,760
Speaker 1: women present and they talk to each other. But and

2315
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:51,560
Speaker 1: you know what, I think I'll give it to any

2316
02:15:51,640 --> 02:15:52,080
Speaker 1: red name.

2317
02:15:53,480 --> 02:15:58,480
Speaker 4: Paradoxically, it's like I do think, I don't know he's

2318
02:15:59,040 --> 02:16:02,080
Speaker 4: he's putting his he's giving it his own, he's busting

2319
02:16:02,120 --> 02:16:07,960
Speaker 4: his hump over there. Yeah, I think I'll be either.

2320
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:10,600
Speaker 4: I might go one and a half because it's like

2321
02:16:11,000 --> 02:16:13,400
Speaker 4: you can feel intent. I want to believe there's a

2322
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:17,080
Speaker 4: draft of this script that really gets it there. The

2323
02:16:17,160 --> 02:16:22,000
Speaker 4: witch housekis are feminist icons, which makes this movie very confusing,

2324
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:25,760
Speaker 4: and going back to your earlier point Summer, that this

2325
02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:28,880
Speaker 4: movie that is like is trying to say something about

2326
02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:33,520
Speaker 4: colonization but then really kind of refuses to at the

2327
02:16:33,640 --> 02:16:37,600
Speaker 4: end is bizarre, especially because we are like given a

2328
02:16:37,720 --> 02:16:41,560
Speaker 4: character that you would think would have strong feelings about this.

2329
02:16:42,480 --> 02:16:48,039
Speaker 4: It's just a weird one. Women are there, and so.

2330
02:16:49,920 --> 02:16:51,119
Speaker 3: One and a half.

2331
02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:55,600
Speaker 4: I'm giving one to Eddie Redmond and I'm giving half

2332
02:16:55,600 --> 02:16:56,120
Speaker 4: to the Bees.

2333
02:16:57,560 --> 02:17:00,200
Speaker 3: If I will give the movie, I think I think

2334
02:17:00,240 --> 02:17:03,080
Speaker 3: also one and a half.

2335
02:17:03,720 --> 02:17:09,600
Speaker 4: Because oh no, this is the episode that breaks the

2336
02:17:09,640 --> 02:17:13,400
Speaker 4: system where you're like, what what do things for me.

2337
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:19,240
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean because of reasons. And that's exactly what I

2338
02:17:19,320 --> 02:17:22,240
Speaker 3: kept writing in my recap the first time I watched

2339
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:25,800
Speaker 3: this movie. They do things because of reasons.

2340
02:17:25,400 --> 02:17:27,920
Speaker 4: And sometimes the reasons have become clear with time.

2341
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:31,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, and sometimes not so much. So I'm gonna I'm

2342
02:17:31,040 --> 02:17:34,080
Speaker 3: gonna keep it vague. But also we just we just

2343
02:17:34,120 --> 02:17:38,000
Speaker 3: talked for over two hours, so I've already said my piece.

2344
02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:41,199
Speaker 4: It felt it felt earned. I'm like there, I could

2345
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:45,840
Speaker 4: have kept going there. There's I have more questions. Did

2346
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:49,400
Speaker 4: telescopes really cost four thousand dollars? I mean, I have

2347
02:17:49,440 --> 02:17:50,640
Speaker 4: so many more questions.

2348
02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:56,120
Speaker 3: Great question. I'm gonna give one nipple to the scene

2349
02:17:56,160 --> 02:18:00,840
Speaker 3: where Titus is having a floating space or Yeah.

2350
02:18:00,879 --> 02:18:02,640
Speaker 1: I can't believe we didn't even talk about that.

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Speaker 4: It's that kind of movie. It's that kind of movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then okay, and then my half nipple goes to

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Speaker 3: the scene where Jupiter puts a pad on Caine's bleeding wound.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, how did we not talk about that clearly?

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Speaker 3: This car?

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Speaker 4: What is it lucky for you? This car belongs to

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Speaker 4: a woman's time. And then she pulls out like an

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Speaker 4: overnight MAXI pad unwrapped out of the glove compartment.

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Speaker 3: And then she sticks the adhesive side on his wound, which,

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Speaker 3: what the hell is that gonna do?

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Speaker 4: That's not absorbent, hurts kind of blood, which also feels

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Speaker 4: very astormative for a movie made by two trans women.

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Speaker 4: It you see, I can't believe did there's that much

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Speaker 4: going on in Jupiter Ascending and he's a side up.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, does she hate does she hate him? That's

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Speaker 4: going to make the problem.

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Speaker 3: Far worse, way worse. Yeah, and yes, it happens right

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Speaker 3: before the bees. Yeah, it just it's it's cinema. It's cinema.

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Speaker 1: That's a movie.

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Speaker 4: It is a movie that feels like a movie.

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Speaker 3: It really does feel like that movie. Summer. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. This is so

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Speaker 1: much fun.

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Speaker 4: This was a blast. I feel like I could do

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Speaker 4: this episode again and have it completely new thoughts.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I have ascended to a new plane

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Speaker 3: of existence. So thank you for that. Tell us where

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Speaker 3: people can buy your book? Find your work plug away.

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Speaker 1: So my book. You can buy it through host Publications

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Speaker 1: website or check out your local bookstore. We distribute through Asterism.

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Speaker 1: You can follow me. I'm still on Twitter, not really

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Speaker 1: at some of this, but you can follow me on

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Speaker 1: Instagram at Borders book Store. I guess I'm on the

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Speaker 1: Blue Sky too at some I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: use that, but Instagram bores bookstore. That is my crowning achievement.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, hell yeah, that's thank you. Also, thank you

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Speaker 4: so much. Good luck finding another movie with protagonists whose

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Speaker 4: name starts with ju. I believe you will do it.

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Speaker 1: That'll, that'll, that'll really like narrow it down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you're not allowed to come back on the

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Speaker 3: show until you find that movie.

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Speaker 4: But also for guess anything, this was like, oh yes,

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Speaker 4: sometimes you see a movie like Jupiter Ascending and you're like,

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Speaker 4: I think I've I think we've talked about it all

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Speaker 4: and then you're stumped.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so glad. That was my goal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for being here. Come back anytime, and

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and with that, should we put on our

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Speaker 3: gravity boots and roller blade around the sky.

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Speaker 4: But don't worry if you don't have your boots. We

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Speaker 4: also have wings for some reason, like all dogs.

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Speaker 3: Like all dogs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bye bye. The Bechdel Cast is a production of iHeartMedia,

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Speaker 4: hosted and produced by Me Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 3: And Me Caitlyn Durante. The podcast is also produced by

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Speaker 3: Sophie Lichtermann and.

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