Speaker 1: Charges. That's created by Portalais and Control Media. It's produced
Speaker 1: by dB Podcasts in association with I Heart Radio. This
Speaker 1: time a former Son's player who you might remember as
Speaker 1: t Rex. More video in just a moment, but this
Speaker 1: is Rex Chapman's mug shot and we are learning a
Speaker 1: lot more about the charge of the Charge. Matt. I've
Speaker 1: seen the tapes. What happened to you in Manhattan? Be
Speaker 1: hard to believe that race doesn't play into that. Man,
Speaker 1: same cop pulls me over, runs my ship again. I'm
Speaker 1: just like you pull me over twice in the last
Speaker 1: two weeks, Like what are you running? A lot of
Speaker 1: the players that consume cannabis and I have to worry
Speaker 1: about getting drugs And I know, man, Matt had a
Speaker 1: lot to do with that. Bro. You know how I
Speaker 1: feel about my kids and you're in my house playing
Speaker 1: dad and you don't tell me. Where does the Kwamie
Speaker 1: Brown situation fall into that category for you? You've got
Speaker 1: some real ship today, Rex, Welcome back to Charges. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Rex Chapman. This is episode ten, and I
Speaker 1: want to thank you from the bottom room by Heart
Speaker 1: for listening. We're halfway through season one and are so
Speaker 1: excited for what is in store for you all. We'd
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Speaker 1: to subscribe goes a long way. Today we continue our
Speaker 1: two part conversation with Matt Barnes and Steven Jackson. In
Speaker 1: part one, we went hard to the rack at Steven's
Speaker 1: tribulations on and off the court, and we'll get back
Speaker 1: to his story shortly. In part two, we will be
Speaker 1: putting the spotlight to start on Mr Barnes. As you
Speaker 1: can tell from part one, Matt is highly engaging and intelligent.
Speaker 1: Even Stevie refers to him as the brains of their unit.
Speaker 1: Matt is very savvy and medium minded now, but he
Speaker 1: had to learn the hard way just how when he
Speaker 1: was approached by the tempting world of reality television for
Speaker 1: he and his family, his instincts said no. But when
Speaker 1: the big fellow Shaquille O'Neil puts the battery in your back,
Speaker 1: it's a yes. In April of season one of the
Speaker 1: broadcasting behemoth, Basketball Wives was born to the airwaves. The
Speaker 1: drama that ensued on camera and in the headlines is
Speaker 1: where we begin. This is charged, Matt. You went all
Speaker 1: the way out there and put you in your family
Speaker 1: in the limelight with reality TV, and I know you
Speaker 1: said in other interviews that it portrays people in a
Speaker 1: certain way and maybe even leans into stereotypes. Who, in
Speaker 1: your opinion, has the responsibility to stop that? Is that you?
Speaker 1: Is that the producers is at the network? I think
Speaker 1: it's us um because people love drama, drama sales. You know.
Speaker 1: My whole situation was it actually started in Phoenix. I'll
Speaker 1: take you down a brief road. So Shack and I
Speaker 1: were teammates at the time, and uh man, I'm fresh
Speaker 1: off having newborn twins in and on a new team
Speaker 1: in Phoenix, probably been with my girl a little bit
Speaker 1: over a year, and she comes to me like, Hey,
Speaker 1: Shanny O'Neill wants to do a reality show about women
Speaker 1: kind of behind the scenes running their household, being moms.
Speaker 1: You know, our charitable contributions. This isn't that. And I'm
Speaker 1: just like TV New Kids, New Team. I just don't
Speaker 1: think so, you know. So we're backing forth for maybe
Speaker 1: a few weeks, and I'm standing firm on no until
Speaker 1: Shaq hits me one day and just like, hey man,
Speaker 1: you need to let you know, let's let's think about
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a good show to be good
Speaker 1: for him and to get him out of our hair,
Speaker 1: and it'll be this, this and that. Mike, you sure
Speaker 1: a big fellow. He's like, come on, man, you know
Speaker 1: I got my hands on this. We're gonna be straight.
Speaker 1: So from that, Basketball Wives was born, and that was
Speaker 1: some motherfucking bullshit. Uh, But at the same time, it
Speaker 1: also it also showed me another side of kind of
Speaker 1: in what I'm excelling in now is production and content
Speaker 1: creation because I was behind the scenes kind of seeing
Speaker 1: how you know. One thing about reality TV is is
Speaker 1: people who watch it think that ship is real. They
Speaker 1: don't know that everything is scripted in stage. What they'll
Speaker 1: do is they'll create chaos and then they'll show your
Speaker 1: real reaction within the chaos. But the chaos could be
Speaker 1: made up. Um, so people really live and die by
Speaker 1: the stuff and the end the ship is not real.
Speaker 1: So although it was a negative depiction, I feel like
Speaker 1: a black people in basketball wise, and even all the
Speaker 1: reality shows, whether it's black or white. I just think
Speaker 1: people have to understand the negativity sales, But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, people are willing to do whatever
Speaker 1: it takes to be famous. Right now, people care more
Speaker 1: about fame than they do about respect, dignity, morals, anything
Speaker 1: like fame, the price of fame. Fame is probably the
Speaker 1: most addicting drug we have in this world, you know.
Speaker 1: So although there were some negative things that came from it,
Speaker 1: I always try to find a positive lining in it.
Speaker 1: And like I said, it was being behind the scenes, Like,
Speaker 1: look at this bullshit they're creating, Like, imagine if I
Speaker 1: had the opportunity just be in this space and create
Speaker 1: something positive, some you know, tell real stories. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of what got me um thinking early on that
Speaker 1: how I want to be able to tell stories at
Speaker 1: some point, and that's what I'm doing now. So but
Speaker 1: at the same time, another positive was, you know, although
Speaker 1: I was a role player and a journeyman, doing reality
Speaker 1: TV flipped me. Now I wouldn't say Hollywood because reality
Speaker 1: TV is not Hollywood, but it kind of put me
Speaker 1: in a different space as well. So now I have
Speaker 1: a whole new group of eyeballs of people that may
Speaker 1: have not have known me because of basketball being because
Speaker 1: they're not fans or I wasn't a huge star, but
Speaker 1: know me now because they saw my ex wife and
Speaker 1: now on this reality thing. So again, there was some
Speaker 1: positives from it as far as just kind of like
Speaker 1: opening up and being in different spaces and and being
Speaker 1: in that production space now and then kind of wanting
Speaker 1: to create positivity out of the negativity that I saw.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, you know, they say things coming ways, but
Speaker 1: I don't think the reality TV wave is go anywhere
Speaker 1: because we live in a time where people love drama negativity.
Speaker 1: You know, you look at social media. Unfortunately now it's
Speaker 1: it's similar to the news. It's a bunch of negativity.
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of people talking bad who are insecure
Speaker 1: about themselves, who want to protect their negativity on other people.
Speaker 1: So negativity will always win and sell. And I think
Speaker 1: it's upon us to really kind of step back and
Speaker 1: say like, hey, there has to be another way. But
Speaker 1: then again, I can say that because I played in
Speaker 1: the b A and was able to save some money
Speaker 1: and made some smart moves now and I don't need
Speaker 1: anything like that, So I'm never gonna tell someone like,
Speaker 1: don't take your chance, because there have been some people
Speaker 1: who step in the reality space and flip that into
Speaker 1: a real brand in a business, and you know, are
Speaker 1: making money right now. So to each his own, I
Speaker 1: just wish that there was a way to create more
Speaker 1: positive messaging we're putting out there, because not only are
Speaker 1: we looking stupid, but we're we have the next generation
Speaker 1: thinking like, okay, this is you know. I remember one time,
Speaker 1: I think while still playing, I was talking to a
Speaker 1: bunch of school kids. I was talking to a school
Speaker 1: and you know, talking about what kids want to be,
Speaker 1: and two little girls told me we want to be
Speaker 1: reality TV stars. And I'm like, not actresses or you know,
Speaker 1: like not the next step. They what they said, reality
Speaker 1: TV stars on this ship, like we're showing this next
Speaker 1: generation like this is the route, this is the direction
Speaker 1: to go. Which is sad because you always kind of
Speaker 1: have to be aware of what you're putting out there.
Speaker 1: So you know, there was there was a few positives
Speaker 1: I think more negative than anything, But like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna take food out of someone's mouth and
Speaker 1: tone what they should and shouldn't do. I just wish
Speaker 1: there was a way for us to eate more positive
Speaker 1: content to put out there because our kids are always
Speaker 1: watching yeah. It seems Barnes had forgotten to appear in
Speaker 1: court for a traffic violation, driving with a suspended license.
Speaker 1: The Manhattan Beach Police Department hadn't forgotten, though, and when
Speaker 1: an officer spotted Barnes and pulled him over, he wasn't
Speaker 1: happy or cooperative. In fact, the officer called from back
Speaker 1: up when Barnes allegedly made a verbal threat. Barnes was
Speaker 1: jailed and Sarshan paul Ford said, this matter us and
Speaker 1: through yet. Yeah, but I'm with him, so I said
Speaker 1: I need to know. Great, So what do you need
Speaker 1: to step over here? So? What can we get when
Speaker 1: you get at it? Right? Yeah? You don't know this,
Speaker 1: MONI fum anyway, I do, okay, I unders camera? What's
Speaker 1: just get him? Matt. I've seen the tapes. What happened
Speaker 1: to you in Manhattan Beach? Hard to believe that race
Speaker 1: doesn't play into that. Man, What do you remember about
Speaker 1: that day and what do you wish went differently? It
Speaker 1: was unfortunate, man, because everyone saw on YouTube what happened
Speaker 1: that final day, but they don't know that was like
Speaker 1: six weeks and this one cop fucking with me. This
Speaker 1: one cop pulled me over four times in six weeks.
Speaker 1: I was playing with the Lakers at the time. We're
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. I remember when I was injury too.
Speaker 1: I just sprained my ankle. So I'm driving from the
Speaker 1: facility and Elsa Gundo to my crib in Manhattan Beach
Speaker 1: and in the first time, this cop pulls me over.
Speaker 1: So I'm you know again, I'm fresh out of practice,
Speaker 1: so I'm still a little hot. So I'm driving home
Speaker 1: all black escalade, windows down though, no shirt on, so
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I'm fully tatted. So I see a
Speaker 1: cop get behind me, then pull up next to me
Speaker 1: and stare at me and then take off. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: let dude's trying to funk when but he's gone. And
Speaker 1: then like another light or two, I see a cop
Speaker 1: driving slow. I'm like, damn, is that that same cop?
Speaker 1: And sure enough it was. So this cop went from
Speaker 1: being in the same lane as me to getting back
Speaker 1: to the outside lane slowing way down. So I got
Speaker 1: ahead of him, and then he got behind me and
Speaker 1: pulled me over. Like what the funk This cop just
Speaker 1: did all that? And he ends up pulling me over
Speaker 1: because I don't have a front license plate, so I
Speaker 1: asked him, like you literally like this kind of bis
Speaker 1: being going on for almost five minutes, Like you literally
Speaker 1: followed me all this way, stared at me, got ahead
Speaker 1: of me, stopped, got behind me and pulling me over
Speaker 1: because of a front license plate, like you gotta follow
Speaker 1: the rules, blah blah blah whatever. So he gives me
Speaker 1: a fixed ticket or a warning. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the funk you gave me. I go on my way.
Speaker 1: Maybe a few days later, same cop, after practice again
Speaker 1: pulls me over. I was like, what are you doing? What?
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I doing? This time? Same
Speaker 1: fucking guy, your windows in the front or two tenant?
Speaker 1: So I smiled at him like all right, bro, And
Speaker 1: he starts to try to peel my my thing off
Speaker 1: and I hit his hand aways like are you touching me?
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, you don't have to just give me
Speaker 1: my my fix it ticket. Don't fucking put your hands
Speaker 1: on my windows and trying to peel my tin off,
Speaker 1: Like you better watch your attitude. I'm like, all right, sir.
Speaker 1: So it gives me my ticket. I move on. So
Speaker 1: then this is uh, the third time he pulls me over.
Speaker 1: We had just got back from Okay, see and again.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm playing with the sprained ankle. So
Speaker 1: I'm heavily ice both knees, iced, ankle, ice, shoulder iced.
Speaker 1: This guys, same cop pulls me over. Um runs my
Speaker 1: ship again. I'm just like, you know, what are you
Speaker 1: running now? Like you just pull you pull me over
Speaker 1: twice in the last you know, two weeks, Like what
Speaker 1: are you running? Your registration is expired and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. He's like, well, and my records it is.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like what, Like, it's not like you
Speaker 1: made a mistake, sir. He's like, get out of the car.
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm not getting out the car. He's like,
Speaker 1: you better get out of the car now. So he
Speaker 1: opens my door. I get out of the car. I
Speaker 1: go sit down on the thing. He's like, here, sit here,
Speaker 1: I gotta go run some more stuff. So I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here just mad as a motherfucker on my phone's dead
Speaker 1: mad as a motherfucker. Next thing he knows, he's like,
Speaker 1: well you He's like, I need to impound your car
Speaker 1: because your registration is expired. I'm like, yeo, my fucking
Speaker 1: registration isn't expired. You're full of ship. So I get pissed.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, fuck you, fuck this and he's
Speaker 1: just he starting no, I mean, goes sit back in
Speaker 1: this car. He's like, I don't know why you're still
Speaker 1: sitting here. You they need to call someone or walk.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this, motherfucker, so again, I told you my
Speaker 1: phone was dead. So I walk maybe a mile and
Speaker 1: a half and flip flops, ice bags on my knee,
Speaker 1: I s on my ankle, ice on my shoulder the
Speaker 1: day of a fucking playoff game back to my house.
Speaker 1: So I'm mad as a motherfucker, like I wanted to
Speaker 1: whoop this dude's ass so bad. So fast forward to
Speaker 1: the end of the season. My ex wife and I
Speaker 1: are in Manhattan Beach, and if you're familiar with Manhattan Beach,
Speaker 1: you can park down by the beach and then you
Speaker 1: walk up the hill to the restaurant. So we'd parked
Speaker 1: down there. I went up in eight walking back, and
Speaker 1: you know, obviously when you play for the Lakers you're
Speaker 1: in Manhattan Beach, you know they treat everyone rest in
Speaker 1: peace like there Kobe like. So I had swarms of
Speaker 1: people pictures walking with me, talking with me, talking Lakers
Speaker 1: ship so next thing, I know, we kind of get
Speaker 1: down to the bottom of the hill and you know,
Speaker 1: there's like and so there's a parking lot, and then
Speaker 1: there's the alley and then there's the first set of
Speaker 1: bars and restaurants. So there's a cop in the alley
Speaker 1: park right next to the bar to a bar and
Speaker 1: he says, Barnes, come here, and I remember heard that
Speaker 1: fucking voice. I'm like, is this that cop? And I
Speaker 1: had the same escalator, so he must have saw my
Speaker 1: escalating the parking lot. It's like this, that same fucking cop.
Speaker 1: He calls me over. I look over. I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what the fund is this dude doing? And my my
Speaker 1: ex the twins mom, she's a spark plug too. She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's this motherfucker wants? So she's already on one too.
Speaker 1: So he's like come here and I So we kind
Speaker 1: of start walking over there and he tells me to
Speaker 1: this motherfucker tells me to come over here and sit
Speaker 1: down in the alley where people throw up p and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not doing you. Fuck you. So
Speaker 1: but I don't remember what the fourth time was for.
Speaker 1: It was it was forcing more bullshit. So anyway, like,
Speaker 1: so when you start seeing people are obviously filming this now,
Speaker 1: So this dude's telling me to put my hands behind
Speaker 1: my back and come here, and I told him, you
Speaker 1: touch me, I'm gonna beat the ship out of you.
Speaker 1: So as soon as I said that, he like they
Speaker 1: had to be waiting on me. So he says something
Speaker 1: into his little shoulder piece, and I tell you, forty
Speaker 1: five seconds later, five cops come howling, the lights on noise.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm there talking to this cop like I
Speaker 1: was letting him have it, saying whatever to him because
Speaker 1: I was just frushed, Like I really felt like he
Speaker 1: was targeting me. So long story start, I end up
Speaker 1: getting arrested, I get right out, but so then I'm
Speaker 1: just like fucking I'm like, this dude was racially profiling
Speaker 1: bothered me because, come to find out, my registration wasn't suspended,
Speaker 1: everything was up to date. I didn't have no warrants,
Speaker 1: no nothing. He just dude was just fucking with me.
Speaker 1: So I get a lawyer. We find out he's a
Speaker 1: new cop basically trying to make his name on the four.
Speaker 1: So I'm in the process of suing the Manhattan Beach
Speaker 1: Police because and then other people start telling you though,
Speaker 1: Manhattan Beach is anonymous for racially profile and all this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And then I remember our security at
Speaker 1: the Robert Laura, who was Kobe's head security, but kind
Speaker 1: of our our Laker team securities. Like, Matt, you got
Speaker 1: a point, you probably got a case. But the last
Speaker 1: thing you want to do is sue a police department
Speaker 1: because then you're gonna become a target. So I'm like, uh,
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. A long story short,
Speaker 1: this dude pulled me over, harassed me like four times
Speaker 1: within a six week span, just to kind of make
Speaker 1: his name. But again, no one really gets to know
Speaker 1: the backstory, so people think, oh, he must be drunken man,
Speaker 1: hadn't beach getting arrested, And that's that's the typical Matt
Speaker 1: barn ship, not knowing that I hadn't even had no drinks.
Speaker 1: I was walking back from dinner with my wife and
Speaker 1: I was just being harassed by this punk ass cop.
Speaker 1: So it was sucked up amazing. Lebral was over Gloria
Speaker 1: go Van Star Basketball Wives l A. The v H
Speaker 1: one reality show for a Strange husband is Matt Barnes
Speaker 1: of the Memphis Grizzly. Barnes reportedly went ballistic when he
Speaker 1: found that New York Knicks head coach Derek Fisher was
Speaker 1: hanging out with his sexy ex wife at her California home.
Speaker 1: He jumped behind the wheel and drove. What followed was
Speaker 1: a violent confrontation the NBA and Adam Silver, suspending this
Speaker 1: man for two games. He raised his hands. I respect
Speaker 1: that he didn't go get a gun. He raised his
Speaker 1: hands and defended his house. So, Matt, uh, while we're
Speaker 1: going down the shitty road, tell me about the day
Speaker 1: your face time by one of your twin sons, about
Speaker 1: a party going on into former home with one of
Speaker 1: our fraternity brothers. Former uh, one of your ex teammates
Speaker 1: being there with your ex wife. What was going on
Speaker 1: in your life and through your fucking mind at that time?
Speaker 1: So no, I've never really given the full story of
Speaker 1: how that day happened. Um. So, I'm playing with the
Speaker 1: Memphis Grizzlies at the time, and we have training camp
Speaker 1: in Santa Barbara. So I went out to Memphis early
Speaker 1: and worked out with the team. So I hadn't been
Speaker 1: in l A for almost a month. So when we
Speaker 1: go back to Santa Barbara. I'm like, Ship, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see if And at this time, my X and I
Speaker 1: were on good terms. We were just X. You know,
Speaker 1: we weren't together no more. So I'm like, shout, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see if, you know, if she can bring the
Speaker 1: twins down and stay the night. I'll get them a
Speaker 1: room so I could just hang out with them before
Speaker 1: I have to go back to Memphis. So the twins
Speaker 1: are maybe when it's just two thousand and fifteen, so
Speaker 1: the twins a like six or seven. So she ends
Speaker 1: up bringing them down. I get them a room. We're
Speaker 1: hanging out the whole day, and then training camps in Saturday,
Speaker 1: and Coach Yeager said, you know we have Sunday off.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, Ship, well, coach, can I go
Speaker 1: back Saturday, spend the rest of Saturday in l A
Speaker 1: because we're only in Santa Barbis two hours away, and
Speaker 1: then I'll fly back to Memphis Monday or excuse me,
Speaker 1: Sunday evening, and I'll be back in time for practice Monday.
Speaker 1: I had no problem, so I end up leaving and
Speaker 1: I kind of think this is where Kanye said that
Speaker 1: I drove ninety miles because I was probably I was
Speaker 1: ninety miles away and in Santa Barbara, but I just
Speaker 1: drove back to l A at the time. So we're
Speaker 1: driving back from Santa Barbara to l A. And like
Speaker 1: I said, G and I are cool. So it's no
Speaker 1: I'm driving her car back because obviously I didn't have
Speaker 1: a car out there. The twins are in the back.
Speaker 1: Everyone's kind of doing their own thing. We stop and
Speaker 1: get some food, so me and the twins go and
Speaker 1: get something, and then we're waiting in the car for
Speaker 1: their mom to come back out. And it's her car,
Speaker 1: so she's on the phone when she walks out of
Speaker 1: the restaurant, and all of a sudden, the bluetooth in
Speaker 1: the car goes from the playing the Boys cartoon to
Speaker 1: her and Derek's conversation, and I hear some ship like
Speaker 1: I miss you, baby can wave teeth to come back
Speaker 1: out here. And I'm like and I'm like, yo, I
Speaker 1: know that motherfucking voice, Like whose voices that I know
Speaker 1: that fucking voice? And so they keep talking. I said,
Speaker 1: she doesn't know that they're conversation that's taken over the
Speaker 1: stereo inside the car. So I'm sitting there and then
Speaker 1: once I hear I like, say something else and I
Speaker 1: heard him like, Yo, that's fucking Derek. So she gets
Speaker 1: in the car and I'm looking at her and her
Speaker 1: eyeballs just about to jump out of her head. I'm like,
Speaker 1: so she gets in the cars like are you talking
Speaker 1: to Derek? And she froze. I'm like, Derek, if this
Speaker 1: is you, I'm gonna beat the funk out of you
Speaker 1: next time I see you. And then it goes click
Speaker 1: and then the boys moving and then the Boys cartoon
Speaker 1: comes back on. So for like the next hour, we
Speaker 1: still have like another hour in the drive. She stone
Speaker 1: cold doesn't say a word the whole entire drive, and
Speaker 1: I'm mad, but at the same time, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: argue in front of the kids, so I kind of
Speaker 1: just holding in, like all right, we'll talk about this
Speaker 1: another time. So we end up getting back. She drops
Speaker 1: me off of my crib, I say bye to the boys,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, we'll talk later. It's like okay.
Speaker 1: So she ends up going home. The boys go home
Speaker 1: later that night. I probably get dropped off like around six,
Speaker 1: like later that night, like ten o'clock, one of the
Speaker 1: twins calls me. I'm thinking, like first all, it's ten o'clock.
Speaker 1: You're six years old? Seven years old? Why are you
Speaker 1: still awake? Calls me like, Dad, your friend Derek is here.
Speaker 1: Just the first thing he says, car and I'm just like, Dad,
Speaker 1: your friend Derek is here. I'm like what. And then
Speaker 1: he kind of gets behind a pillow and hides his
Speaker 1: face like he's like, yeah, your friend Derek is over here,
Speaker 1: and like I'm like okay. I was like, well, where's
Speaker 1: your mom and your brother? And she's like, um, they
Speaker 1: went to the store. So I called the other twin
Speaker 1: because he always has his iPad with them. I'm like, hey, hey, Budy,
Speaker 1: what are you doing. He's like, oh, I just got
Speaker 1: home with mom and Derek. But then I don't. He's
Speaker 1: like he says Derek and he's like, oh, maybe I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have said that. Looks up at his mom and
Speaker 1: I'm like, let me talk to your mom. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm Matt, I have company. We can talk later. I
Speaker 1: was like, if you don't pick up this motherfucking iPad
Speaker 1: right now, and I think because I cussed, she obviously
Speaker 1: took the iPad from the boy. She goes in the garage.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, so after we went through today, like
Speaker 1: you're trying to tell me you have my teammate over
Speaker 1: at my house right now, And she's like, well, I
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you, but today happened and I didn't
Speaker 1: get a chance to. I'm like, funk all that, you
Speaker 1: have my teammate at my house with my kids. And
Speaker 1: then she gets a little attitude and hangs up on me.
Speaker 1: So that's the worst thing you can do. So, like
Speaker 1: I said, keep in mind, like my whips are already
Speaker 1: in Memphis. I don't have no car. This is before
Speaker 1: uber Lucky. I live with my homeboy. I have my homeboy,
Speaker 1: Steezy stand with me, and he has his little Bentley
Speaker 1: down in the garage and he's out of town. So
Speaker 1: I'm flipping my condo upside down to find these motherfucking
Speaker 1: keys for like thirty minutes. I finally calling Me's in Vegas.
Speaker 1: I can't hear in the first time. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: where your kids? He tells me the keys are. I
Speaker 1: go down there. I get in his car. As soon
Speaker 1: as I put in reverse, I realized one of the
Speaker 1: tires is flat. I'm like, fun, I'm like, funk this,
Speaker 1: So I just put the hazard on, I let my
Speaker 1: joint and literally from Marina del Rey from my condo,
Speaker 1: I drove like three blocks with my hatch on smoking
Speaker 1: too dumb as fun, but I was so mad that
Speaker 1: I just needed to smoke to China. Chill for a second,
Speaker 1: three blocks, going like five miles an hour, go to
Speaker 1: the fucking gas station, pump the tire up, and go
Speaker 1: over to my place. The altercation pursues. The funny part
Speaker 1: about the whole situation was he had one of the
Speaker 1: Lakers secure any guys with them that was a security
Speaker 1: for our team. So after everything is done for what,
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, just in case I guess. But funny
Speaker 1: thing was I didn't even see dude until the very
Speaker 1: end because, like I said, it went from the backyard
Speaker 1: to the kitchen to the front room. Like I was
Speaker 1: on his ass, and every time I was on him
Speaker 1: like a button, she had people over. Every time I
Speaker 1: was on them, they would break me up. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: next person to touch me, I'll give a funk who
Speaker 1: you are. You're catching it too, So then they finally
Speaker 1: let me get him the third time. When I finally
Speaker 1: got some good shots in and then they broke us
Speaker 1: up again, and all of a sudden, I feel like
Speaker 1: a strong hand on my shoulder and like turned around
Speaker 1: and the security is just like, Matt, I apologize, man,
Speaker 1: but I you know, I think you need to get
Speaker 1: out of here because someone just called the cops. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, So end up right, end up bouncing,
Speaker 1: and you know, they end up telling and flipping the story,
Speaker 1: and then the NBA gets involved and I take a suspension.
Speaker 1: So I mean it was a learning experience. Long story short.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you know, I had
Speaker 1: divorced her, we were passed, we weren't in love anymore.
Speaker 1: I just kind of felt like there was a different
Speaker 1: way they could have handled that. You know, it's probably
Speaker 1: tough as a man telling your former team and like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm holler than at your girl. But I would wouldn't
Speaker 1: have liked it, but I would have respected it, you know.
Speaker 1: But for me to have to find out the way
Speaker 1: I found out, I just felt, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: disrespect people. I'm all about respect, So I just felt
Speaker 1: like the line of disrespect had been crossed. And keep
Speaker 1: it a hunter with you, motherfucker's died for a lot less,
Speaker 1: so he was lucky that there was a house full
Speaker 1: of people and it wasn't just HEARDing him over there,
Speaker 1: because it could have really got ugly. But fast forward,
Speaker 1: you know, we buried the hatchet. We spoke um. To me,
Speaker 1: it's about because they're still together. To me, it's about
Speaker 1: raising these twins the best we possibly can and co parenting.
Speaker 1: So now he and I are cool, on the same page.
Speaker 1: We communicate and see each other when you know, when
Speaker 1: we're at events, and they've been to my house for
Speaker 1: the twins birthday, I've been to their place. So we
Speaker 1: were able to bury it. And when we finally buried,
Speaker 1: I just told him just like you know, Bro, I
Speaker 1: know it was probably tough, but I just didn't appreciate
Speaker 1: the way this went down. If you would have came
Speaker 1: to me as a man and told me what happened,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have liked it, but I would have respected
Speaker 1: and we never would have had to go there. He
Speaker 1: stood said his little piece. We shook hands and we've
Speaker 1: been cool ever since. But it'll be something that's kind
Speaker 1: of an infamy now because obviously Kanye rapped about it
Speaker 1: and everyone thinks he stole my chick like he started
Speaker 1: dating my ex wife. That's what it was. No when
Speaker 1: he didn't steal shipped from me. But you know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it was again a learning
Speaker 1: experience I got in trouble for I had to pay for.
Speaker 1: But again, when you get that stigma, this is Matt
Speaker 1: doing this kind of ship, not really knowing the whole.
Speaker 1: Because anyone, if you didn't do what I did, you're
Speaker 1: a sucker to me. If you're gonna let some ship
Speaker 1: like that slide, you're a sucker to me. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't me being mad. It was just me being a
Speaker 1: man like like I said, you would cross the line
Speaker 1: on a on a disrespectful front, and bothered that you
Speaker 1: would date max wife. But I'm not really tripping off that.
Speaker 1: What I'm tripping off is you're in my house that
Speaker 1: I pay for with my kids, and you didn't tell
Speaker 1: that's what I told you, he said. If it was
Speaker 1: all the women in the world, all the women in
Speaker 1: the world, but even that, but even but even that, Jack,
Speaker 1: I wasn't really tripping off that because again, you know,
Speaker 1: we weren't in love and what we are. Ships had passed,
Speaker 1: we were done with that. So to me, I kind
Speaker 1: of thought that was ill. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: what was funded up because everyone knows what kind of
Speaker 1: dad and how much my kids mean me so and
Speaker 1: he knew that. So what trimed me. I was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: you know how I feel about my kids and you're
Speaker 1: in my house playing dad and you don't tell me, Like,
Speaker 1: that's why this ship went where it went. But again,
Speaker 1: now we're cool, it's water under the bridge. But at
Speaker 1: the time, it was it was some ship that luckily
Speaker 1: just ended how it ended, because it could have ended
Speaker 1: a lot worse. Yeah, you're a good man, Matt, and
Speaker 1: a big man. I'm look, we talked about a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff. We talked well, no, I'm with you, I'm
Speaker 1: with you. But you know, life is hard and life
Speaker 1: is messy, and you can you can. You can carry
Speaker 1: that hate and and anger around if you want. But
Speaker 1: what for And you got your two boys. It's growth man,
Speaker 1: And and then you're gonna help people talking about this.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about mental health, we talked about weed.
Speaker 1: Now we talked about this. This is not a cool
Speaker 1: thing for men to talk about. It's not fun, but
Speaker 1: thank you for talking about it. We've spoken about marijuana
Speaker 1: use in multiple episodes of Charges. Actually in my conversation
Speaker 1: with bondsi Wells. There currently is reckoning in the United
Speaker 1: States of America about the so called war on drugs.
Speaker 1: The legal cannabis industry expanding, with thirty three states in
Speaker 1: the District of Columbia have passed laws legalizing cannabis in
Speaker 1: some form. On the flip side within the last year,
Speaker 1: an estimated forty people are still incarcerated for marijuana offenses.
Speaker 1: There was a recent time in the NBA when testing
Speaker 1: positive for weed once would get you placed into treatment,
Speaker 1: a second violation would be a twenty five thousand dollar fine,
Speaker 1: and a third infraction would mean a five game suspension.
Speaker 1: Now retired, Matt and Stephen are both part owners of
Speaker 1: two different marijuana companies, and it's no coincidence that their
Speaker 1: hip podcast is named All the Smoke, even though Stephen
Speaker 1: no longer partakes. For an athlete, especially cannabis can help
Speaker 1: reduce pain, inflammation, soreness, and improved sleep. The NBA suspended
Speaker 1: testing for cannabis in the bubble and for the tw
Speaker 1: twenty one season, thanks in part to the advocacy of
Speaker 1: Steven Jackson and Matt Barnes being as open minded and
Speaker 1: available for opinions as Stephen and Matt are, especially on
Speaker 1: their own podcast platform. Sometimes the smoke can turn into fire.
Speaker 1: Let me preface the question by saying, I'm in favor
Speaker 1: of weed. I use it to maintain How important was
Speaker 1: it to you both smoking weed and be at the
Speaker 1: crux of your brand that you're building. How important was
Speaker 1: it to you in your lives as players throughout your careers.
Speaker 1: I've been smoking as I was twelve, and Uh, I
Speaker 1: think the way the things that I was surrounded around
Speaker 1: in life, if I didn't smoke, I would have been
Speaker 1: in trouble way more easy. Smoking kept me away from
Speaker 1: the streets and it kept me in the house. It
Speaker 1: kept me on the Xbox and PlayStation growing up, kept
Speaker 1: me playing basketball, doing things that I should have been done,
Speaker 1: and transport to the NBA. It helped me recover. It
Speaker 1: kept me focused. Doing the way that people talk to you,
Speaker 1: the way they judge you, the way they call you
Speaker 1: a thug, all the names they call you. Uh, when
Speaker 1: when you being situations where you know you're good enough
Speaker 1: to play and they're just not playing you because they
Speaker 1: say it's the numbers game. You know, all that type
Speaker 1: of stuff you deal with as the NBA player, nor
Speaker 1: you deserve time and they're just not playing you because
Speaker 1: you're a young guy. All those things. I think cannabis
Speaker 1: helped me focus and helped me keep a level head
Speaker 1: during a lot of times I would explode it if
Speaker 1: I didn't. Transferred to now um, I own a piece
Speaker 1: of all over Al Harnson, you know, shout to Al Harnson,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest black owned cannabis brands in the country.
Speaker 1: I think it's been great to be a part of
Speaker 1: what he has going on because he's changing people lives.
Speaker 1: He's showing black people how to create generational wealth. He's
Speaker 1: showing Black people how to create business and help their
Speaker 1: communities benefit from these businesses. A lot of things that
Speaker 1: Al is doing that I'm glad to be a part of.
Speaker 1: Even though I don't smoke cannabis no more, I'm still
Speaker 1: involved in the business because I know the benefits of it.
Speaker 1: I know how it helps people. I know how if
Speaker 1: the world was smoking weed and not drinking alcohol, how
Speaker 1: much better this world would be. So I'm gonna continue
Speaker 1: to stand behind it. My mom takes it and it
Speaker 1: helps her, you know. The CVD and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: so and I might even I might even switch over
Speaker 1: to the CBD. Uh. So it's a lot of business
Speaker 1: bits problem that I know now that I didn't know
Speaker 1: at twelve, and I'm happy to be an advocate for
Speaker 1: it and a lot of the players that today that
Speaker 1: can consume cannabis and I have to worry about getting
Speaker 1: drug test I know. Me and Matt had a lot
Speaker 1: to do with that. Agree, What about you, Matt? My
Speaker 1: journey wasn't you know my dad was a drug dealer,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, so I saw everything under the moon.
Speaker 1: You know. I grew up in the eighties where cocaine
Speaker 1: and party it was just the life. And I saw
Speaker 1: it at a young age. So I was never really
Speaker 1: into it because I always saw the bullshit effects. But
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, the one time my dad was
Speaker 1: chill would be at the end of the day when
Speaker 1: he was drinking his little Budweiser, smoking a joint and
Speaker 1: watching the game. That was the one time that like,
Speaker 1: dad was cool and he would laugh and we would
Speaker 1: wrestle sometimes. That was the only time I kind of
Speaker 1: felt like he was dad. So they also smoked cigarettes,
Speaker 1: and I hated that smell. So I remember the smell
Speaker 1: of weed when I was younger. So fast forward fourteen
Speaker 1: years old, I steal some weed from him and tried
Speaker 1: it for the first time, and it hit me and
Speaker 1: it knocked me out, gave me a headache, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't a quitter. I tried it again and built a
Speaker 1: relationship with it. So you know, I smoked all through
Speaker 1: high school, all through c l A, and all through
Speaker 1: my career. And to me, it was an escape from
Speaker 1: my childhood. It would allow me to focus, It allowed
Speaker 1: me to sleep, It allowed me to not at the time,
Speaker 1: help me recover, but I didn't know that, like I said,
Speaker 1: for at the time, it was helping me sleep, recover, focus,
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. So it was amazing. Fast
Speaker 1: forward twenty five years later, now that there's medical research
Speaker 1: backing up what I knew when I was a teenager,
Speaker 1: Now it's starting to become a little more socially accepted.
Speaker 1: You know, before there was a stigma, stoner, loser, gateway drug,
Speaker 1: all this bullshit because there was so many stigmas built
Speaker 1: around it. But now that there' there's actually medical research
Speaker 1: backing up what we've been saying. Now you see the
Speaker 1: progression in professional sports. So again as the last story,
Speaker 1: I just told you know, I could be on ESPN
Speaker 1: for having twenty points, but then on the same night
Speaker 1: beyond TMZ for some bullshit, you know, So to be
Speaker 1: able to block everything out and be able to just
Speaker 1: focus on our job because we don't get no passage.
Speaker 1: You know. I played the day after my mom died.
Speaker 1: I played as soon as I was then being suspended
Speaker 1: for the Fisher fight, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be outside noise, and people don't understand
Speaker 1: how important are mental Once you get to the NBA.
Speaker 1: It's not even percent mental. You know, everyone could do
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything with that athleticism, but you
Speaker 1: know how you're able to maintain it is your mental approach.
Speaker 1: So I need as Jack needed. I needed that to
Speaker 1: be able to stay focused, stay come, keep my ass
Speaker 1: in the house, keep my eyes out of the real,
Speaker 1: real trouble, you know what I means. So I was
Speaker 1: someone who it was a real job doing it too,
Speaker 1: because there was a few times where I got caught,
Speaker 1: but I would still be smoking because I felt like
Speaker 1: I needed I wasn't had the football player mentality, So
Speaker 1: the only time I ever sat out of a game
Speaker 1: was when all suspended, or when I had knee surgery.
Speaker 1: When I played for the Lakers, like, I played through
Speaker 1: ankle sprains, broken fingers, ligaments, all this kind of ship.
Speaker 1: And I was a social drinker. I wasn't a pill
Speaker 1: taker because they destroyed my stomach. So cannabis was always
Speaker 1: what I turned to. So I had to do a
Speaker 1: lot just to do it, just to smoke it, just
Speaker 1: to get by, because I realized every time I did it,
Speaker 1: I was risking possibly my job. So, you know, fast forward,
Speaker 1: you know, getting out of the space, I really wanted
Speaker 1: to become an advocate because while I was in the space,
Speaker 1: you know, I was in the drug program. Um one
Speaker 1: of the guys running the program. I just kind of asked, like, yo,
Speaker 1: I know you probably can't tell me names. I don't
Speaker 1: want names, but I just want to know how many
Speaker 1: people are in here for cannabis. And he's like, there's
Speaker 1: over two hundred players in here for weed alone. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, there's barely over four hundred people in
Speaker 1: the league, so you're trying to half half the league
Speaker 1: is in here for weed. And they're like He's like
Speaker 1: It's everyone from superstars to rookies, and I'm just like, damn.
Speaker 1: It was like something has to be done. So that's
Speaker 1: why I said, as soon as I got done, I
Speaker 1: wanted to advocate for it because I didn't want people
Speaker 1: to have to We already have so much responsibility. I
Speaker 1: don't want to have to them to worry about dodging
Speaker 1: the drug tests be another responsibility. So myself, jack Al Harrington,
Speaker 1: you know, we took time to go sit down with
Speaker 1: Michelle Roberts in the NBA Players Association, sit down with
Speaker 1: the NBA and tell our stories. And it's not only
Speaker 1: our stories now, but do your own research, because the
Speaker 1: research is out there now backing up what we've been
Speaker 1: saying is doing so as Jack mentioned, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys now that are able to medicate and consume
Speaker 1: without having to look over their shoulder. And I like
Speaker 1: to say that that we had a lot to do
Speaker 1: with that, because you know, we did it the whole
Speaker 1: time and risk our careers and other guys before us
Speaker 1: did the same thing or risk there's careers. But you know,
Speaker 1: once we got out, we want to make it a
Speaker 1: point that we want to be the shield and the
Speaker 1: voice for those guys that I know need to medicate
Speaker 1: in the league, but you know we can't. We don't.
Speaker 1: We don't want them to get in trouble. So I've
Speaker 1: been a big advocate for it. Um a part owner
Speaker 1: of a brand called seven Leaves out of sacrament out
Speaker 1: of my hometown now and continuing to push the narrative
Speaker 1: of the educational, the beneficial side. I think everyone gets
Speaker 1: caught up in the high side and it too. We
Speaker 1: don't do it to be high to be cool. We
Speaker 1: do it to medicate. We do it to help our
Speaker 1: bodies and help with our lifestyle. Is So I'm big
Speaker 1: on just education and benefits of it, kind of removing
Speaker 1: the stigma being high. Because there's so many ways you
Speaker 1: can take this plant, whether you you know, whether it's drops, pills, uh, tinctures, edibles,
Speaker 1: there's so many different ways. I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: part of a plan that could help everyone from children
Speaker 1: to our grandparents. So I love again shout out to
Speaker 1: my brother Al Harrington and Viola for you know, being
Speaker 1: black in this business. UM. I'm big on the social
Speaker 1: equity side, trying to help people get in this space
Speaker 1: as well, because we were most the people most directly
Speaker 1: affected by the war on drugs, and now we're less
Speaker 1: than four percent of the representation in this space. So
Speaker 1: not only am I an advocate, a believer, a lover,
Speaker 1: I also want to, you know, give people to look
Speaker 1: like me an opportunity to uh make some money in
Speaker 1: the space. Because we missed prohibition, we missed the gold rush,
Speaker 1: we can't miss this green rush. And again we were
Speaker 1: the group of people who were most directly affected by
Speaker 1: the war on drugs. We definitely need, you know, we
Speaker 1: need our pie to eat too. On May six, former
Speaker 1: NBA player in two thousand one first overall pick Kwamie Brown,
Speaker 1: responded to conversations that were had on All the Smoke
Speaker 1: with his former Washington Wizard's teammate Gilbert Arenas and then
Speaker 1: in a separate episode with Lakers owner Genie Buss. Since
Speaker 1: leaving the league after a hard fought twelve year career,
Speaker 1: Kwamie has kept quiet, mostly out of the media spotlight.
Speaker 1: He decided to turn the camera on himself and air
Speaker 1: his gauntlet of grievances for the world to see, focusing
Speaker 1: his ire mostly on Matt and Stephen. All the elements
Speaker 1: that can make a story go viral we're in play celebrity, controversy,
Speaker 1: comedy and chaos. I'm gonna ask two questions at once,
Speaker 1: so just to try to conserve some time, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, tell me about moments you both know, whether
Speaker 1: as a player on or off the court in your career,
Speaker 1: where you can honestly look in the mirror and say
Speaker 1: I fucked up and I need to say something and
Speaker 1: fix that. I mean, I know I did that. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you guys have done that. I say that to
Speaker 1: ask this question, where does the Kwamie Brown situation fall
Speaker 1: into that category for you? Well with me? Well with me,
Speaker 1: I can answer that. That's the only reason I apologize.
Speaker 1: You know, when I talked to him, he did some
Speaker 1: low stuff. We try to put out conversation on Instagram
Speaker 1: and did all that. You see. I never responded like that,
Speaker 1: and I could. I could do the same thing and
Speaker 1: post a conversation, you know what I mean, But I didn't,
Speaker 1: and we both wanted a public apology. He didn't do it.
Speaker 1: The only reason I apologized is because I didn't want
Speaker 1: to be a part of something that has been done
Speaker 1: twenty years to a brother. You know, we played together.
Speaker 1: That's the only reason I apologized. I didn't worry about
Speaker 1: nothing said Rex, because no authentic person in the world
Speaker 1: gonna believe in any of the personal stuff he said,
Speaker 1: because you can't prove it. Um. You can't assassinate my character,
Speaker 1: no type of way. So the only reason I apologized,
Speaker 1: even after he got personal, was because I don't want
Speaker 1: to be a part of the meeting another brother after
Speaker 1: twenty years. We all have a pinion on basketball, Rex,
Speaker 1: We get paid for our opinions, and I'm gonna stick
Speaker 1: with my opinion, but at the same time be little
Speaker 1: as somebody. I didn't want to be a part of it,
Speaker 1: and I never want to be in that category, especially
Speaker 1: to somebody that I considered a teammate and a brother.
Speaker 1: So I apologized as a man. And what people don't
Speaker 1: know when you apologize, Rex, you're not apologizing for that person.
Speaker 1: You apologize because you did wrong. And that's why I did. Um.
Speaker 1: My take on it was kind of an unfortunate situation.
Speaker 1: Not to really reiterate anything jex it, but obviously dudes
Speaker 1: been getting you know, been the butt of the jokes
Speaker 1: for a long time. But what pissed me off was
Speaker 1: I never personally said nothing about the dude. His name
Speaker 1: never came out of my mouth. I laughed at our
Speaker 1: nudge Jack at a joke the Jack said, and and
Speaker 1: that was the whole thing was it was a joke
Speaker 1: about his performance. Never a man, never Kwamie Brown, the person,
Speaker 1: the father, the businessman, because I don't know nothing about that.
Speaker 1: I don't even know the dude. I laughed at a
Speaker 1: little a snide remark he made. And then somehow, you know,
Speaker 1: he wants to start taking personal shots, so he kind
Speaker 1: of figured, you know, hey, these motherfucker's got a platform
Speaker 1: a lot going for let me let me take this.
Speaker 1: But before ship really hit the fan. What people don't
Speaker 1: know is I don't know him, never met him, never
Speaker 1: shook hands, never had a word with him, although we
Speaker 1: played against each other, just I don't know homie. So
Speaker 1: I hit him on the d m s trying to
Speaker 1: get his number, like because once he first started talking
Speaker 1: about Jack and Gil, I hit dude up on the
Speaker 1: d m's like, yo, bro, hollad me. You don't see
Speaker 1: if we can squash this before because there's definitely a
Speaker 1: misunderstanding that's not we're about where if you watch our show,
Speaker 1: all we ever do is try to big people up
Speaker 1: and support people and be positive. So he looks at that,
Speaker 1: ignores it, and then starts on the personal attacks. And
Speaker 1: I to be honest with you, I didn't listen to
Speaker 1: it because I know where I'm at. Jack is saved
Speaker 1: and he's Muslim, and he's trying to tell over a
Speaker 1: new leaf. But that's not who I am, you know.
Speaker 1: To me, I'm with it. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm forty one years old now a father, and not
Speaker 1: that Jack isn't. But like I said, Jack has turned
Speaker 1: on a new leaf. I'm not in that space in
Speaker 1: my life. You know. I don't do well with disrespect,
Speaker 1: so I'm but I'm in a new space. I'm a
Speaker 1: forty one year old father, you know, just signed a
Speaker 1: new deal with Showtimes, and I'm a producing star in
Speaker 1: my own fucking TV show on Showtime, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm signing deals left and right of me and bringing
Speaker 1: me and Jack new revenue streams all the time. So
Speaker 1: I had to take a step back, like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: dude is disrespecting. What are you gonna do about it?
Speaker 1: You know? And it got really close to getting ugly,
Speaker 1: and but at the end of the day, again I
Speaker 1: said what I had to say on social media. I
Speaker 1: never addressed the man personally or laugh or said anything
Speaker 1: until he was negative with my family because, like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't play that. I invited him on the show,
Speaker 1: told him we have to box before, during, and after
Speaker 1: then shake hands just to have this conversation. I'm willing
Speaker 1: to do that because you have a story that needs
Speaker 1: to be told. And he can make jokes and laugh,
Speaker 1: but a lot of it was derived from pain. The
Speaker 1: man was hurting. Again, that's that would be tough to
Speaker 1: be the butt of the jokes for twenty plus years
Speaker 1: against the first pig. It would be right. It's just right.
Speaker 1: And and like you said, I mean, there's no mystery
Speaker 1: my life. My fucking career was a grind. So I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna put no one else's grind down because I
Speaker 1: know how to. I wasn't an all star, I wasn't
Speaker 1: the first round pick. I had to cratch scratching Claude
Speaker 1: for fourteen years. So it's not even in my character
Speaker 1: to go out there and and negul the attack. And
Speaker 1: it's not in Jacksona. Like I said, Jack made a
Speaker 1: joke and he took it the wrong way. So again
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he's getting all the
Speaker 1: attention he never got now, and I hope he does
Speaker 1: something constructive with it. You know, if you're going to
Speaker 1: create a podcast or I heard her, he's selling T shirts,
Speaker 1: like whatever you want to do to capitalize off this moment,
Speaker 1: capitalize on But don't be a hypocrite and start doing
Speaker 1: the ship to other people that you said that people
Speaker 1: did to you for the last twenty years. If you
Speaker 1: want to use our platform to help yourself become relevant again, dope.
Speaker 1: But don't be fooled by all these people who are
Speaker 1: gassing you up now because three weeks ago they didn't
Speaker 1: even know you were still alive. They don't really care
Speaker 1: about you. They care about the drama. They want to
Speaker 1: see black men in particular go at each other and
Speaker 1: tear each other down. And like I said, me and
Speaker 1: Jack are just in a different space. If he would
Speaker 1: have caught his two or three years ago, I promise everybody,
Speaker 1: it would have been a whole another story. But you know,
Speaker 1: we wish him well, We hope that he continues to,
Speaker 1: you know, make something out of this. Don't be a
Speaker 1: flash in the pan. Because you got this attention, now,
Speaker 1: build a platform off it. If you're got a podcast,
Speaker 1: do your thing, sell your t shirts, but just leave
Speaker 1: people's name at your mouth. Man, because no one disrespected
Speaker 1: him as a man. They were talking about his playing ability,
Speaker 1: and again I didn't say shit about the motherfucker's playing
Speaker 1: ability to begin with to get dragged in this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: So again, you know, we wish him the best and
Speaker 1: it kind of is what it is. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: guys all have communicated because it's a fraternity, right right, Um, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's the long term and for both of your TV
Speaker 1: and media is at the podcast? Have you even thought
Speaker 1: about it? What's next? Well with the podcast, we steady
Speaker 1: going up, man like it said, Master said, we got
Speaker 1: a Wars. We got a whole bunch of stuff coming
Speaker 1: the podcast, Steady going up. Obviously Matt is going to
Speaker 1: be and behind the camera. And I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: in start my AH career. This year. I got a
Speaker 1: couple of a couple of roles. I got a lead
Speaker 1: role called a movie A Freshman at Party that I'm
Speaker 1: getting ready to start this year. Matt got a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff that he he lined me up for.
Speaker 1: And one thing I just want to say, for we
Speaker 1: finished to all athletes and to all brothers that people
Speaker 1: who call, if you call somebody your brother, it's not
Speaker 1: important that you lead or be the face. It's not
Speaker 1: as long as you and your brother go in the direction.
Speaker 1: I would follow Matt anywhere. If Matt going to a meeting,
Speaker 1: I don't have to be in the meeting, Rex, because
Speaker 1: I know I'm in the meeting. And that's the relationship
Speaker 1: we have. Matt as the brains, I'm the entertainment. We
Speaker 1: both got our own a role in this thing, and
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to stand on side of your
Speaker 1: brother and not worry about getting the credit. We both
Speaker 1: went in and that's all that matters, man, And and
Speaker 1: I think that's that's why I show it's been so
Speaker 1: successful because we bring our brothers on it. We give
Speaker 1: them my flowers, and we're showing people how to let
Speaker 1: your brother lead or just be a part of what
Speaker 1: your brother got going on. And as long as you
Speaker 1: both win it and stand together, it's easier that way. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, you know, Rex, we've said numerous
Speaker 1: times we're able to move now as if we were
Speaker 1: superstars in the league. So you know, me being in
Speaker 1: l A and just really being having that grind and mentality.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no stone unflipped when it comes to me.
Speaker 1: As far as content creation, Um, you know, with our podcast,
Speaker 1: they give us a channel over the Thy Heart called
Speaker 1: the All the Smoke Channel, So we're gonna start creating
Speaker 1: more curating more podcasts for our channel over there. As
Speaker 1: I mentioned, you know, I'm starting and producing my own
Speaker 1: show on Showtime called The Education of Match Barnes, which
Speaker 1: will be my transition from being a professional athlete too
Speaker 1: at the time when we created a single father three
Speaker 1: in l a business advocate looking for love, all that
Speaker 1: kind of ship. So it'll be similar to a little
Speaker 1: Dicky Show Dave, So just a reality, scripted reality loosely
Speaker 1: based off my life. So, man, it's been a tremendous
Speaker 1: blessing um. And we got the cartoon to we Gota,
Speaker 1: We got an animated cartoon that we're working on. Uh
Speaker 1: between you need a voice, you need white Berry white? Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just been a blessing. Man. Too many
Speaker 1: things to list, but you know along this process, to me,
Speaker 1: there's always got to be a giftback component. You know,
Speaker 1: Jack and I were both be able to play fourteen
Speaker 1: years in the NBA, make money, make sound investments. So
Speaker 1: anything I get into there has to be a giftback component,
Speaker 1: whether it's cannabis and the social equity or whether it's
Speaker 1: you know this All the Smoke Show. The first season,
Speaker 1: I told there's all I see is white people. So
Speaker 1: now we hired a couple of my teammates from U
Speaker 1: c l A that, you know, shout out to Jollannie
Speaker 1: McCoy and Ray Young. You know, we got more color
Speaker 1: uh in the building. You know. So I'm always trying
Speaker 1: to open doors or bring people with me for whatever
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Uh, Me and Jack have something good in
Speaker 1: this podcast space. We didn't know what it was, and
Speaker 1: now we won Sports Podcast Year. We're up for two
Speaker 1: webbes that hopefully will win one or both next month.
Speaker 1: So I think just to continue inspire, encourage, send it
Speaker 1: to the Kwamie Browns situation, you know, take this negative
Speaker 1: and hopefully he can spend that into a business in
Speaker 1: this space, because at the end of the day, we're
Speaker 1: all about empowering everyone. So continuing to show people that
Speaker 1: you don't have to be a Lebron James or a
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's or Chris Paul to have business after basketball.
Speaker 1: You know, all you need is yourself and a belief
Speaker 1: in a grind, and the doors are open. So um again,
Speaker 1: blessed beyond belief. Don't have time for the bullshit and
Speaker 1: want to continue to inspire and motivate our people out there.
Speaker 1: Beautiful Matt Stephen, I want to thank you from the
Speaker 1: bottom of my heart for joining me today for this
Speaker 1: open and honest discussion on charges. It's been a pleasure
Speaker 1: to watch both of you play, and it's brought me
Speaker 1: so much joy to see your passion for the game
Speaker 1: translate into being the next generation of athletes with a voice.
Speaker 1: I want you to know that my door is always open.
Speaker 1: I'm always excited for you guys and what lies ahead
Speaker 1: and your futures individually and together. Thanks fellas, you've got
Speaker 1: some real man, You've got some real ship today. Rex,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you, man, Thank you for having us for you.
Speaker 1: Thank you today. That would be good. We'll blow it
Speaker 1: up you go on by today, bab We need we
Speaker 1: need to get you on all the smoke too one
Speaker 1: of these days. So we want to do it. We
Speaker 1: want to do it in person, so you can come
Speaker 1: feel the vibe, so we'll fly you out to l A.
Speaker 1: We can hang out a little bit and then get
Speaker 1: on the interview. I'm in, I'm in. Let me share,
Speaker 1: all right, fellas much love, Talk to you soon later,
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