WEBVTT - Thread Heat with Casey Newton

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to What Future. I am your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Joshua Zapolski, and today on the show, we've got very

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<v Speaker 1>important things to talk about. We've got very present, recent, shocking, upsetting,

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<v Speaker 1>thrilling things to discuss, and of course talking about what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with Elon Muskin, Mark Zuckerberg and social media online. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot happening. There's a lot going on out there.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a whole new landscape, and I wanted to get

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<v Speaker 1>the world's foremost expert into the show to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we dialed up our friend Casey Newton, who is

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<v Speaker 1>an absolute genius and scoop machine, you might say, when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to social media and frankly lots of other things,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just needed to talk to him. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to get him here and figure out what the hell

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<v Speaker 1>was going on. So let's get into it. Casey, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for coming back on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my sincere pleasure. Thank you for having me, josh

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. Just be generous as always.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, anyhow, really quickly, we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>what we need to talk about, which is threads. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but before that, I was telling Jenna a story and

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<v Speaker 1>I felt I need to finish it, and you should

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<v Speaker 1>hear it too, because you deserve it. I went to

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<v Speaker 1>a ear nose and threads specialist today and long and

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<v Speaker 1>long the shirt, I got a probe into that they

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<v Speaker 1>put up my nose that went into like my throat.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, this will feel a little uncomfortable, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, please take that out of my nose.

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<v Speaker 2>Please take that out of my nose, Please take it

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<v Speaker 2>out of my nose.

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<v Speaker 1>It was supremely uncomfortable, and she was just like jerking

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<v Speaker 1>it around in there, like snaking it around. Fucking anyhow,

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<v Speaker 1>just that was the experience I had before the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want you to know I'm in a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>fragile state right now.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>What's what's the what's the prognosis for you have a

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<v Speaker 1>deviated septum? No shit, Sherlock, I have a huge nose

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<v Speaker 1>with a bump in it. So she I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, well, you do have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a deviated septim. I'm like, really, I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>by looking at my face. It's like, you didn't need

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<v Speaker 1>to go all the way into my mouth with the

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<v Speaker 1>probe to know that. I have a deviated She's like, anyhow, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>this the the prognosis is, I need to probably get

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<v Speaker 1>some stuff done to my nose to make it more

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful and more less Jewish.

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<v Speaker 2>No rhinoplastic, rhino plastic.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, we can like clear, we can make it

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<v Speaker 1>more clear in which is basically what I want because

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<v Speaker 1>I can't really like breathe through it. So anyhow, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited about getting some elective surgery. Maybe, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>because they're like, you don't need to, but you'll be

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<v Speaker 1>more comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that sounds great.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of things going up your nose, Elon Musk recently

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<v Speaker 1>tweeted that he sorry, did he and Mark say? He

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<v Speaker 1>actually tweeted that he and Mark Zuckerberg should have an

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<v Speaker 1>actual penis measuring contest?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this correct? Yeah, that's right, that's where we're at.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he was sober when he.

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<v Speaker 1>When he hits Yeah, that gome famously sober Elon, famously

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<v Speaker 1>sober and normal person, Elon Musk. Okay, let's back up.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start at the beginning. Yeah, the year is nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty five and Microsoft is just introduced as DAWs. No, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm like also got like no sleep last night,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to really rare I'm going a rare place.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of your nose or because of something else. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Just everyone's just life, just the press years of life,

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<v Speaker 1>this life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all those loose things in.

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<v Speaker 1>Your house because yeah, and also my air conditioner is

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<v Speaker 1>not working in here, so it's very hot, disagreed when

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<v Speaker 1>it rains the poors. It's been pouring here actually in

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<v Speaker 1>New York. So so well.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>For the listener who listens to the show but doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what's going on on social media, which has got

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<v Speaker 1>to be like one weird guy who accidentally subscribed to this.

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<v Speaker 1>But can you just set up a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>what has just happened in the world of social media,

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<v Speaker 1>just like in terms of I'll just say Facebook has

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<v Speaker 1>launched a new product called Threads. Can you just talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about life? Yeah, what threads is and

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<v Speaker 1>where it came from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Threads is a Twitter clone that was created to

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<v Speaker 2>destroy Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not a clone. They're like, it's not a clone.

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<v Speaker 1>It just looks it works exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've said it's not a clone. It is a clone,

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<v Speaker 2>And within three days that had one hundred million users,

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<v Speaker 2>and so you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, real quickly, sorry, real quickly, what are the active

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<v Speaker 1>users of Twitter?

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<v Speaker 2>Number wise? So it's very hard to say because the

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<v Speaker 2>I lost so many users this the year and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't report numbers publicly anymore. But let's assume it's between

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<v Speaker 2>two and three hundred million. Okay, so in five days?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it Threads, which is a Twitter clone that Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>has introduced, has a third of the audience of Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>which has been in business for like seventeen years or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, all right, now, now we should say

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<v Speaker 2>this number is the one hundred million for Threads is

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<v Speaker 2>like essentially the number of people who've created an account

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<v Speaker 2>and downloaded the app. The Twitter number is sort of

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<v Speaker 2>active users, so it remains to be seen about hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million how many of them are still using it in

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<v Speaker 2>thirty days. But I think odds are good that this

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<v Speaker 2>thing is going to be legit.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So so Mark Zuckerberg and who is the head

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<v Speaker 1>of Instagram, Adam Mussiri.

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<v Speaker 2>Odam A Siri?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeap, Yeah, they're like Twitter is being run awfully by

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk, and we could just maybe turn on a

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter cloned and then like extinguish Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the idea? Do you think for threads? Yeah? Basically? So, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it did not take long after Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 2>took over Twitter in October of last year to realize

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<v Speaker 2>that he was tanking it right. Every single decision he

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<v Speaker 2>made was worse than the one that came before it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so by December, the folks inside Facebook are saying,

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<v Speaker 2>should we maybe just take another run at this? Because

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<v Speaker 2>of course they had tried over the years a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different things to compete with Twitter, none of them

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<v Speaker 2>had really taken off. But because Elon Musk was alienating

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<v Speaker 2>so many at Twitter users, all of a sudden it

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<v Speaker 2>looked like there might be this real opportunity. So they

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<v Speaker 2>got to work in it in December, and we finally

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<v Speaker 2>saw the fruits of their labor this month.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is like pretty much like Twitter, Yeah, except

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are popular on there are people who

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<v Speaker 1>are historically popular for not talking and like looking like

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<v Speaker 1>something or doing something that you look at because like

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<v Speaker 1>it basically pourted Instagram. It's like it's connected to I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's worth saying, yeah, And this is a brilliant

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<v Speaker 1>strategy on their part. If there was anything in the

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook universe. It felt like it was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've got Twitter on your home screen right next

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<v Speaker 1>to it, there's gonna be a thing you're bouncing over to.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably it's Instagram, right, which is a far more popular,

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<v Speaker 1>far more used social network. I mean, it's got like

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<v Speaker 1>a billion users, more over a billion, over a billionisers,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's obviously a photo and now video sharing app primarily.

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<v Speaker 1>I have already patted myself on the back on Threads.

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<v Speaker 1>I will pat myself on the back oh my podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote for a thing of The New Yorker about

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<v Speaker 1>how Twitter sucked. Actually it's amazing because I went and

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<v Speaker 1>reread it and it's like everything that sucked about Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen under Jack Dorsey. It's the same stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that sucks under Elon Musk, but it's like way super

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<v Speaker 1>duper magnified. It's like, yeah, you know, it's like harassment

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<v Speaker 1>and like bad moderation and confusing policies and a product

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't really work that well. It's like exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>same shit. And in that piece, I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if Instagram wanted to like probably immediately kill Twitter, they

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<v Speaker 1>could just make a text based version of Instagram or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like literally what they were like, Hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>have a cool social network that everybody's staring at all

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<v Speaker 1>the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, that's just I think because look at the

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<v Speaker 2>threads product today. If they have rolled it out in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, you and I would be rolling our eyes

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<v Speaker 2>out of the back of our heads. You would have said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the least. We would say, They're not even

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<v Speaker 2>trying this thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>One? I owte a different than Twitter? It is dead

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<v Speaker 2>on arrival? Correct? What changed? Is Twitter tanks so hard

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<v Speaker 2>that a bear bones copy of it run By like

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of more competence organization, just instantly rocketed into superstartup,

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<v Speaker 2>right it is? I mean there are some differences. We

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<v Speaker 2>should say.

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<v Speaker 1>It does not yet present a chronological feed, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the business for Twitter for most users.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, not for most, but for for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of die hard users. It is important to see a

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<v Speaker 2>reverse cod.

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<v Speaker 1>Feed for the most important ones, for the ten percent

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<v Speaker 1>of people who create ninety percent of the content on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>the chronological feed is somewhat important. True, But they say

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook says it's coming Mata or whatever they're called these days,

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<v Speaker 1>and also Mark Zuckerberg posts on it, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that he's not. He only has done one post

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<v Speaker 1>in like eleven years or something on twit, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was the Spider Man pointing at each other meme, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like kind of I mean, poking the bowl or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever that's saying, is like, if you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>make someone think that you've copied their product, I would, personally,

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<v Speaker 1>if I copy someone's product, I would not post on

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<v Speaker 1>their product with a thing that's like a copy of

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<v Speaker 1>a thing pointing to the thing that is the real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's, you know, right, one man's opinion. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the meme was funny, but also they are

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<v Speaker 2>odd thread saying we're not trying to closee Twitter, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you use the Spider Man meme that means, oh, look,

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<v Speaker 2>these two things are the same, so you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>got to pick one. Yes, exactly, No, That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like if there is ever a court case, which

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<v Speaker 1>there won't be, because like, honestly, you can't really make

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<v Speaker 1>an argument that Twitter does anything particularly special at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's a feed of words, which is basically every

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<v Speaker 1>blog in the world. Like, if you really want to

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<v Speaker 1>get down to it. It's they're small blogs. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>micro blog, which is exactly what it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>known as like ten years ago, and like that's not

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<v Speaker 1>really you can't really trademark that shit at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Also, do you know how many patents on Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>has around social networks and feeds and stuff? Like they

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<v Speaker 2>both the ones they filed on the ones they've bought,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're going to win that fight if it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to court, which, as you point out, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, oh, do you want us to have the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation about who has more patents on like words on

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<v Speaker 1>a screen or whatever the fuck it is? Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter's just so fucking bad and gross and depressing and

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<v Speaker 1>full of like Nazis and like Elon Musk fanboys and whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I hardly ever look at it. I was messing

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<v Speaker 1>around the Blue Sky when it came out when I

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<v Speaker 1>got I mean you were. I think I might have

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<v Speaker 1>bullied you about using Blue Sky or something. Matt masted

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<v Speaker 1>on the it was what I bullied you about using

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<v Speaker 1>one of the wanna be social networks.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is masted On. Look, I've been I've

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<v Speaker 2>been using all of them. It's very important to me

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<v Speaker 2>that something to replace Twitter, because Twitter is not just

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<v Speaker 2>a source of enjoyment for me, it's like part of

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<v Speaker 2>how I run my business is by like posting things

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<v Speaker 2>in public to try to get people to click on

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<v Speaker 2>them and maybe pay the money. So I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be flogging all of these things, right, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know Blue sky had its moment, but it just didn't move,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the sort of recurring theme of all these things.

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<v Speaker 2>They just didn't move fast enough. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>along comes Meta.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean blue skuy has like one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fift thousand users, a hundred fifty thousand or something like that.

0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.079
<v Speaker 1>It's massed on has millions, but it's like it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a it's not like a centrally managed thing. It just

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<v Speaker 1>feels like, you don't know what the hell. It's very

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get started un masted on, Like just in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of usability, right, I think like what Threads has done,

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<v Speaker 1>besides having a built in social media ready audience, like

0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the audience was sitting there. It's like you already are

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<v Speaker 1>communicating probably every day with people on their other platform

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<v Speaker 1>in that fashion. So it's just fewer pictures and more talking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, like I don't want to like put

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<v Speaker 1>the cart before the horse. I know everybody's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter's gonna rally or whatever, but like I don't feel.

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<v Speaker 2>No, wait, everybody is saying, like I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Like people I have seen people say, oh, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>early days, you know, Well that's true. You know it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to even out. People be less excited because this

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<v Speaker 1>happens has happened with all that other stuff we were

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about, Like people are like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>like Blue Sky, there's the fucking articles in the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times about it. There's like fifty thousand people signed

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<v Speaker 1>up for it, Like you know, it's like then it

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<v Speaker 1>died down and everybody's like, Okay, well to Twitter, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is like I feel like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the people that I want to follow and know and

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<v Speaker 1>care about listening to on social media are already there. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's harder to find them at this point, but they're there.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, yeah, it's not run by Elon Musk.

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<v Speaker 1>Which this is the weirdest thing of all of this

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<v Speaker 1>is like somehow Mark Zuckerberg has become like he looks

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<v Speaker 1>good in this scenario, which is unheard of. For him

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<v Speaker 1>unheard of.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, Yeah, there's been a real sort of reversal perception.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it just speaks to the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>for all of the crap that people gave Twitter over

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<v Speaker 2>the years, much of it justified. People really did love

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<v Speaker 2>the role that it played, right, They wanted something to

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<v Speaker 2>play that role. Now when it started to go walkie,

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<v Speaker 2>they missed it. And then Zuckerberg comes along and says

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<v Speaker 2>I can do it. And the fact that he happens

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<v Speaker 2>to be in this hugely entertaining personal feed with Musk

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<v Speaker 2>just makes it all the better. Yeah, there's something that

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't brought up, Josh, that I think is super important,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the rate limiting fiasco, because it actually explains

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<v Speaker 2>a lot I think about how we got here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'll be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have been fairly tuned out from the rate

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<v Speaker 1>limiting fiasco because, as I said, I have kind of

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<v Speaker 1>abandon Twitter. Yeah, I mean I've caught a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a bit I think for also for a lot

0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.280
<v Speaker 1>of people listening, like it's fairly it's a fairly complicated

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<v Speaker 1>little story.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you give us the narrative? Well, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>gist is that for a bunch of reasons. They decided

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<v Speaker 2>that they were going to restrict people from viewing more

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<v Speaker 2>than six hundred tweets in a day unless you payd

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<v Speaker 2>elon Musk money. You can only look at six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>tweets in a day, right, And that might sound like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, but you know, if you're spending fifteen or

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<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes browsing, which I don't think is a crazy

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<v Speaker 2>amount of time to be browsing a socia, just brows

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<v Speaker 2>while you're talking. I'll see if I can hit Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see what happens. Yeah, just see if

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<v Speaker 2>you can hit the limit. Go ahead, Yeah, see if

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<v Speaker 2>you can hit the limit. And you know, you dip

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<v Speaker 2>in and replies, you look at some profiles, all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, you've hit your six hundred limits. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even in its decaying state, I would still have Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>open on my desktop and just glance over it occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>to see if there was some piece of breaking news

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. When the rate limiting thing happened, roughly a

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<v Speaker 2>week from the time that we're recording this ago, it

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<v Speaker 2>just stopped scrolling. New tweets stopped loading. You just got

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<v Speaker 2>a message that said you've exceeded your rate limit, so

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<v Speaker 2>it became literally worthless in the sense you couldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>see anything that was happening there. So you know, earlier

0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.960
<v Speaker 2>we were talking about how news junkies want that chronological

0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:26.480
<v Speaker 2>feet because they want to know what's happening. Right the

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<v Speaker 2>second Twitter actually stopped serving that purpose. So that was

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<v Speaker 2>the moment that Meta saw and when they saw that,

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<v Speaker 2>they said, we're going to accelerate the launch of threads

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<v Speaker 2>by a week because we know that this is our

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<v Speaker 2>time to strike. So they actually did something really savvy,

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<v Speaker 2>which is they seized on the absurd opportunity that Elon

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<v Speaker 2>Muskin created for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I mean, I'm just first off, I'm scrolling Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>and I honestly I'm impressed that people continue to post

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<v Speaker 1>on here.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, like, I understand there's in it's disgusting,

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<v Speaker 2>like like I have posted a physic It's like watching

0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:57.880
<v Speaker 2>people smoke. That's how I feel about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I did not post the last episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>show I've at like on Twitter, I will probably post this,

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<v Speaker 1>but then I'm kind of like maybe, but like i'd

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<v Speaker 1>probably get better engagement on threads where I have, like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, seven thousand followers or something like not

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<v Speaker 1>nearly as many, but like they're actually interacting with me

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<v Speaker 1>and seeing my content.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just dying to get to this rate limit.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think he did the rate limiting because like

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<v Speaker 1>he's not paying his like server bills and like they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have enough capacity.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they have been radically reducing their investment in

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of the basic infrastructure that you need to

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<v Speaker 2>run the site. So they went from I believe it

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<v Speaker 2>was three data centers down to two. They may be

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<v Speaker 2>trying to go to one, you know, a platform or

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<v Speaker 2>my newsletter, we published a story of a month or

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<v Speaker 2>so ago that they hadn't been paying their Google Cloud Dell.

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<v Speaker 2>That has now been resolved. But yes, I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that there is a chance that that is

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<v Speaker 2>the case, and we're we're actually still reporting that story out,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, if you're a platform subscriber, hopefully you'll

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<v Speaker 2>learn more about that soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I'm very I'm very interested to learn more

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<v Speaker 1>about all the stupid things that are happy at Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is there is there what's the latest, like

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<v Speaker 1>what's the latest piece of reporting you've done on this?

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<v Speaker 1>Like the what's the or I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>can talk about something you're working on now, but I'm curious, like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you're talking anybody inside of Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what if there's been a reaction there, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you probably might be.

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<v Speaker 2>What I can say is just that chaos continues to rain.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they have this new CEO, Linda Yakarino, who

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<v Speaker 2>sort of made a big show of saying, Hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here to make this website, say for brands, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get this advertising engine spun up again. And

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<v Speaker 2>then it was like a week later that the rate

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<v Speaker 2>limiting thing happened, and so all of a sudden, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're an advertiser, like you, your reachs ben dramatically reduced.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, You're like, oh, so you stop showing stuff after

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred views of content? Like that's actually on that note,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the kind of like worst website in the world

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't do that. You know, it might break, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>if it gets over capacity, but exactly, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean like that basically would kill ad viewability for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people, right, I mean absolutely yeah. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>kind of didn't contemplate how insane the rate limiting thing

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<v Speaker 1>is it's like it's so bizarro. It's just such a crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>weird move. I mean, at this point it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>feels like, and I don't know if you have any

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<v Speaker 1>insight on this or thoughts, but like, is Elilmo was

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to do it in like does he just

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<v Speaker 1>want to do value it so much that he can

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<v Speaker 1>like get some kind of like right off, like some

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<v Speaker 1>tax right off for it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's this There is this pretty good theory. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a reporter, William Cohen at Puck who's written pretty persuasively

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<v Speaker 2>about this that it does seem like, whether intentionally or not,

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<v Speaker 2>that Twitter is cruising for a bankruptcy in part because

0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.480
<v Speaker 2>it is simply not paying a lot of its debts. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So at a certain point a handful of its creditors

0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.040
<v Speaker 2>can come together and say, this guy isn't paying our debts,

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<v Speaker 2>and we can essentially force them into an involuntary bankruptcy, right,

0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.240
<v Speaker 2>which sounds bad for Elon Musk. However, if it happens,

0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the debt that he took on to a choir Twitter

0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.520
<v Speaker 2>could possibly be reduced by something like thirteen billion dollars. Right, So,

0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.359
<v Speaker 2>if Elon tanks it, he might wind up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>saving himself a cool thirteen billion.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, maybe this is a naive question to ask, but

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't a some kind of the governing body that handles

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<v Speaker 1>bankruptcies be able to look at his behavior and say, well,

0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.840
<v Speaker 1>you didn't actually try to run the company properly, like

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<v Speaker 1>you basically decided to bankrupt it. I mean, can you

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<v Speaker 1>because like you know what I mean, Like it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like there'd be a law against people going like I

0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.480
<v Speaker 1>ran my business bad on purpose, so I could bankrupt

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<v Speaker 1>it and get out of a tax bill or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>get out of my debt, paying my debt. Like people

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<v Speaker 1>would do that all the time, I would imagine, Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're you're right, And yet I feel like, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>we live in a society where there are almost no

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<v Speaker 2>consequences for billionaires. I don't know, it's it's concerning, as

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<v Speaker 2>Elon mus would say.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and do you think the threads unfinished at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>like when they decided to launch it, Like, do you

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<v Speaker 1>think it was like, hey, we have an opportunity, he's

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<v Speaker 1>really blown it. We have a product that's like good enough. Ye,

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel like it's an unfinished product?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Now, yeah, I think they want to spend another

0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.399
<v Speaker 2>week polishing it, and there was probably some stuff that

0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.360
<v Speaker 2>might have gotten added to the product. But now they're

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<v Speaker 2>just spending all their time trying to keep the site

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<v Speaker 2>afloat because they did not expect to have one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars I'm sorry, one hundred million users in three days.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't think they did, no, but it was it

0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.200
<v Speaker 2>was basically ready, you know. I just think it would

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<v Speaker 2>have come out, you know, maybe a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Later, right, Like, because you can't it's very hard to

0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:32.520
<v Speaker 1>find peoplele on. It's very hard to follow people. It

0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.240
<v Speaker 1>keeps it really wants me to follow Demi Levado like

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<v Speaker 1>more than anything, do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things about Threads that has been fascinating

0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:46.000
<v Speaker 1>has exposed how much like vapidity there is amongst people

0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.600
<v Speaker 1>who post on Instagram. Like, the stuff I'm seeing on

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<v Speaker 1>Threads is some of the all time worst posting that

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen in like in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've seen many varieties of bad posts, but the

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<v Speaker 2>one that sticks with me is I keep seeing these

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<v Speaker 2>accounts that have of like that include the word betch

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<v Speaker 2>in their name, like Bitch with E, which was like

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<v Speaker 2>something that like millennial women would say in the early

0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.719
<v Speaker 2>two thousands, and I guess you know, they created these

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Instagram accounts. It's like dumb betch and they post this

0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:17.080
<v Speaker 2>like you know, relatable like jokes like and for women,

0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.280
<v Speaker 2>and that's fine on Instagram, but you put it on

0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.960
<v Speaker 2>something like Twitter, and you just could not ridge harder.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no, it's it's it's there's a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of avalanche of crazy shit that I'm seeing. First off,

0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.600
<v Speaker 1>on day one it was especially chaotic because I hadn't

0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.480
<v Speaker 1>really followed them. It definitely is like picking up on

0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.560
<v Speaker 1>who I'm following and then like giving me more of

0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.880
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. But on day one it was just like, hey,

0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.359
<v Speaker 1>we turned on all the stuff for you, like just

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<v Speaker 1>check out what's coming out from all over threads. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, you know, one thing was like Gary

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<v Speaker 1>Vee doing some inspirational stuff about hustling, hustle culture, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it was like a fucking f one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like what's your who's your favorite f

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<v Speaker 2>one racer?

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then it's like accounts like you're like

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<v Speaker 1>fuck Jerry and like the Betch the Betch accounts that

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<v Speaker 1>are like trying to do their mean thing. They're trying,

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<v Speaker 1>like and it's so it's like the most desperate shit

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<v Speaker 1>because they like showed up and they're like, oh shit,

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<v Speaker 1>I only have like forty thousand followers, and on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>I have like forty million followers, and they're like the shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Like hype Beasts, hype Piece is the one that gets

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<v Speaker 1>under my skin the most. To be honest with you,

0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:19.919
<v Speaker 1>hype Piast, which is a just if you don't if

0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.560
<v Speaker 1>you're listening, you don't know. HiPE Piece is a brand

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<v Speaker 1>that covers streetwear. It's on the cutting edge of fashion culture.

0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.240
<v Speaker 1>It is like probably actually in the last like ten

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, fifteen years, one of the most important

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<v Speaker 1>like blogs that exists because they kind of captured this

0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.040
<v Speaker 1>moment in streetwear that happened that kind of when it

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<v Speaker 1>took over the fashion industry. And they are posting shit

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't even know if the people at hype

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<v Speaker 1>beests know that they're posting this. They're posting shit on

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<v Speaker 1>threads like what did you have for breakfast?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you pour the milk in first or the or

0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the cereal first? And I'm like, I'm like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not only is it not aligned with your shit at all,

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<v Speaker 1>Like just absolutely out of alignment with what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is like the worst, dumbest, lamest, most boring

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<v Speaker 1>posting I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, here's what's going on. There is a there's a

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<v Speaker 2>land rush going on. There's a gold rush. There's a

0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:12.960
<v Speaker 2>gold rush on a land that because people know that

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<v Speaker 2>if you can get fast early on a site like this,

0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:17.680
<v Speaker 2>you'll have that big follower account forever. And so you

0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 2>have these people that are just going hogwild, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Nike account yesterday I saw this was just

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<v Speaker 2>like sort of served up to me. I do not

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<v Speaker 2>follow Ikey, and it just posted a drop your favorite shoe.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is like nobody, like, who's gonna just read like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, five hundred replies about favorite shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're fucking people are replying like like the uh,

0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.240
<v Speaker 1>look at the hype beest thing, the hype beast thing. God,

0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:42.680
<v Speaker 1>look at the hype I want to look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to look at the replies to this. I

0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.080
<v Speaker 1>screenshot in one and then I reposted the other because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to I didn't want to amplify them anymore. Yeah, mourning,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you like your eggs eight hundred and thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>this was yesterday, eight hundred thirty replies, twelve hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one likes. Someone fucking hit like on that no

0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.240
<v Speaker 1>on morning Thread or cerial First or milk First, eleven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighty four replies, fifteen hundred and forty five likes.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, the Highbe's account six hundred and

0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:10.720
<v Speaker 1>eleven thousand followers, they're crushing. They're doing very well for

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<v Speaker 1>themselves right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you look at the ratios back, because they

0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:16.560
<v Speaker 2>do have all those followers, and yet three hours ago

0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 2>they posted quote not even eleven am here in NYC

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm already thinking about lunch lmao.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's only got eight hundred likes. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you one thing, and this is true of

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.200
<v Speaker 1>all of these new social networks. It has made me

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<v Speaker 1>re evaluate my existence on the Internet. Like I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like, you know, like we spent I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>probably the same way. You spent probably most of your

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<v Speaker 1>time building your following on the Twitter. Yeah, because that's

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.680
<v Speaker 1>where the journalists talk like, that's where you post your story,

0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:43.160
<v Speaker 1>that's where the action was, right, Like for a long time,

0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:45.440
<v Speaker 1>like if you had a great scoop or if you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk to like other people in the media

0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:49.880
<v Speaker 1>who you wanted to see your story or just people

0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:51.000
<v Speaker 1>who were media junkies.

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter's the place, right, that's just like where they go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and now it's like again, the engagement's actually way

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<v Speaker 1>better on almost all of these other social networks. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm like, do I even want to? And

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe I'm speaking from a very rare position,

0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:08.639
<v Speaker 1>like you know, I probably don't need to necessarily have

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:11.240
<v Speaker 1>a huge social media following, though my producers at the

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 1>show would definitely say otherwise.

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 2>And when do you say you're speaking from a special

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<v Speaker 2>position do you mean as someone with a.

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Dev I mean it's someone who has been probed today

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and has a deviate to abdom you know, it's funny

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 1>when but after the probe and I was like, I think,

0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 1>like that helped a little bit, Like maybe I should

0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>just be probing. Maybe that's what I need in my life. No,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm like at a point I think in my

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<v Speaker 1>career and with what I do, like I I think

0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 1>I can just do what I do and not have

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<v Speaker 1>to worry too much about like whether somebody saw like

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<v Speaker 1>my story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're you're above you know you don't need these

0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:46.359
<v Speaker 2>unwashed me.

0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:50.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm in the smoky, the leather chair filled smoke smoke

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:52.960
<v Speaker 1>filled rooms where the I'm in the room where it

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<v Speaker 1>happens currently.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, Peter TiAl doesn't post, and either does

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<v Speaker 2>Dosh Dapolski. Okay, guys, they made it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's right, we don't. And when we meet for

0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 1>when we meet for our special club of very important people, for.

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Your infusions of twink blood. Yeah, it's so great not posting,

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 2>isn't it. God, I'd love to.

0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:11.879
<v Speaker 1>I would love to spend even a little bit of

0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 1>time with Peter Teal would be so fucking weird.

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 2>He loves talking to I don't think he'd do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you'd do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, Jenna, can you put on the list after

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 1>our FK Junior and uh Liver the liver Man? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that with the guy the guy we were talking about

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:31.040
<v Speaker 1>last week? Can you have add Peter Teal to the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast bookiet list? Thank you anyhow? Yeah, So it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like it's interesting, but like, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>many followers do you have on threads?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to I'm not trying to do a

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<v Speaker 1>dick measuring competition like on Moscow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, well let me just whip this out, John, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it out. I've got a twenty six thousand. That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm kind of like, do I want to put

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 1>and this is I think an interesting question for a

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of people actually, And I feel like Twitter and

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>tell me a few senses or feeling at all. The

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Twitter has accelerated this feeling of insane fatigue, social media fatigue,

0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 1>and like this idea of like do I need to

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at this shit? And do I want to

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 1>be looking at this shit? And like is it healthy

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 1>or is it doing anything for me? My feeling has

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.400
<v Speaker 1>been like over the last couple of years, but especially

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<v Speaker 1>since Elon took over Twitter, I'm like, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't I can just not look at it and

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.720
<v Speaker 1>it's okay, Like I'm okay, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're getting at something real. Which is that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the appeal of social networks, particularly new

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.800
<v Speaker 2>social networks, it is they are a place where people

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 2>can build status and clout. You can't establish yourself, you

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 2>can gain a reputation for something. Maybe that even turns

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 2>to money for you if you associate it with some

0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 2>sort of business. Right. And then there are other people

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 2>and let's we could, for example, just call them like

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:51.240
<v Speaker 2>people in their forties who have already achieved their status

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:53.680
<v Speaker 2>and their clout and so they don't need to race

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 2>it age us. But they feel bad because they know

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>that it is actually cool to participate in new social networks.

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 2>So they just feel the spiritual exhaustion of not needing

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:06.360
<v Speaker 2>to participate, but realize that not participating indicates that they've

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 2>given up on their lives.

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 1>You think it's an age thing, that's interesting. I think

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 1>it's more like a amount of time I've been blanched

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 1>in social media. I feel like I've been I feel like,

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, you you put the they put someone put

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the spinach in.

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 2>You know it.

0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 1>It's a big full Yeah, it's a huge amount of spinach,

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 1>and then it's just been in the water for a

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty long time and now there's just one little tiny

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>speck of spinach in there. That's how I've my feeling

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 1>is about social media in general. And I don't I

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's my age. Obviously, I've been doing

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 1>it a long time. But I also think it's like

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>social media doesn't feel like it's getting better and more interesting.

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.160
<v Speaker 1>It feels like it's getting less good and less interesting.

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's as good or it's as interesting

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 2>as it ever was. I think it just sort of

0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 2>depends on you know, where are you in your life?

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 2>What role is this play? Huh see?

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I disagree with that because I think there's this general

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 1>fatigue with like the amount of stuff that people have

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.200
<v Speaker 1>been getting in there, like in their diet generally.

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Douch, No, you're insane. You're insane, Josh. One hundred million

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 2>people didn't just download this app in three days because

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 2>of their social media fatigue about account love the slop

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 2>that's coming out. Okay, but you know that's a that's

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:12.960
<v Speaker 2>a qualified audience. Okay.

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I'm saying, Like, you're not. It's

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 1>not one hundred million new it's not one hundred million

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 1>new people. It's a hundred million people from Instagram. Okay,

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not they're not brand new. They didn't they didn't

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:24.160
<v Speaker 1>happen by Do you know what I'm saying.

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Is that your standard that in order for me to

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.440
<v Speaker 2>prove that there is no social media fatigue a hundred

0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:30.880
<v Speaker 2>million people who've never tried social media before in twenty

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 2>twenty three after year.

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying like, and I'm not trying to agree

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>with Elon Musk or anything here, by the way, I'm

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>saying that, but.

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 2>You interesting ideas about western You have a big He's.

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Got some interesting ideas. He's got some very interesting ideas,

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 1>as do his followers. I'm saying that if you have

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>an audience of one billion people, which is what I'm

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 1>trying to do, You're like, hey, guys, do you want

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 1>to try this new thing we're doing, and a hundred

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>million people do try it, I'm not at impressed as

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 1>if you are, like, here's a new thing that you

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 1>have to sign up for. I think there is a difference.

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm just saying I believe there's a difference.

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>And I think that if you looked at the weight

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 1>of new sign ups to threads versus people who came

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 1>over from Instagram imported their account, it's probably like ninety

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>nine percent people from Instagram.

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean sure, But also like Meta launches new apps

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>all the time and no one ever uses them. I

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>mean this is the first hint that they have had

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 2>in years.

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>No, it's true, But there again, I'm the agree I

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>think they've done a masterful move here, and I agree

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that I don't think that like everybody's like fuck social media.

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying that the one hundred million number

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>isn't significant because it is super significant. It's insane. I

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>do think there is it is a perfect storm. I

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 1>do think that a lot of the people who are

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter feel like it is degraded in quality. Plus,

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 1>it's very easy if you already are on another social

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>network to get onto Threads. Like there's no waiting list,

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>there's no fucking sign up for a weird It's literally like, hey,

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 1>do you want to check this out? And like you

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 1>hit a button and then you're on Threads. It literally

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>imports your bio and your photo and everything, right, So

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>it's like very plug and play in that sense. So

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the test of time is what I'm

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>sort of more talking about with Threads, like will it

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>become a thriving, enjoyable social media experience, Like I think

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>we can all argue for the most part that Instagram

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.479
<v Speaker 1>has has found a way to become for the most part,

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>an enjoyable social media experience, even in the face of

0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>all this bullshit. TikTok clearly an enjoyable social media experience,

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 1>even in the face of all this bullshit, there's not

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot Snapchat, I guess still has an audience. Twitter

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>is fucking now. Twitter's on its way out one way

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>or another. I think it's not going to come back.

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it comes back. But does Threads become

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>does it actually become like a new Twitter?

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I've written in the past about this

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.239
<v Speaker 2>idea of like pop up social networks, which are kind

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 2>of like pop up restaurants in your neighborhood, where basically

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 2>they're serving the same ingredients you've had at other places,

0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 2>but because it's new and it's shiny, the food flock

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 2>there and they rave about it on Yelp, and for

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 2>like ten minutes, it seems like the biggest deal in

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 2>the world. But then eventually everyone goes back to the

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>restaurants that they used to hear at, and that was

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 2>a case of like and l and mastedon. Yes, exactly,

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 2>you know. So, But here's the thing, Like, I don't

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 2>think Threads is the crow neut because it already has

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>this critical mass of users who actually wanted to succeed.

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Right Like when peeter Elo came along, we already had

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 2>working social networks. There wasn't this hunger for a replacement

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 2>for any of them, and so they kind of faded away.

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Twitter is in a literal dust spiral. You can only

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 2>look at it like fifteen minutes a day before it explodes.

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Who knows that the Apple will even load when you

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>tap it on your phone. So we are just in

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>a different world than we were in when those other

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 2>networks launch. It's it's always risky to make a bet

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>about what's going to happen to a social network on

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 2>day four, But like, is there a chance that this

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 2>thing has the juice? Yes, there is a chance.

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 1>For the first time ever, I want something that Facebook

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>is doing to succeed, Like I'm actually liked. No, man,

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 1>let's do it because it's it is God, I almost

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 1>said tweeted again, what are we saying threaded? Is that

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 1>what we're saying threatened? I don't think that works. That

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>doesn't fit.

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 2>I posted.

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's good. I don't think that's what

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Masari wants. I don't think he likes that I think

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.479
<v Speaker 1>he's going to remove that. That's gonna be an instant removal.

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I threaded or posted a where the fuck I did.

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is a real the enemy of

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 1>my enemy is my friend situation, And I really do

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>feel strongly. It's like such a strange sensation to be like,

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.040
<v Speaker 1>I want this to work pretty badly, Like I like

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Twitter when it was good, Like there were parts of

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Twitter actually before the Nazis really went. I mean, they

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>were always kind of going wild on Twitter, but they

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 1>there was a period like you know, during the Trump era,

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of Trump, it really got fucking bad

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter, like it was unfun. And I would say,

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:10.560
<v Speaker 1>since then, it's been pretty unfun. Yeah, but before that,

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>it was like a lot of fun, Like you could

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of fun on Twitter, and there's still

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 1>pockets of it, Like I definitely want a place where

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 1>like people are gonna make stupid, weird Internet jokes, Like

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I would say, the thing I miss most about looking

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 1>at Twitter is people making fucking weird like drill shit.

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>That's just you honestly can't make the joke in any

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>other way. It's just that particular forum, you know. Yeah,

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:34.200
<v Speaker 1>so I wanted to win, but like, also I hate

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 1>myself because I know it means Mark Zuckerberg is gets

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 1>more of my data and more of my time.

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 2>To me. This is like a there's like a two

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 2>part equation. Okay, Like the first part of the equation

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 2>is Twitter needs to die, like it just needs to

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 2>completely disappear from like polite society. And that's step one.

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Step two is we will bring all of the criticism

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 2>and all of the scrutiny to threads that we had

0:33:57.680 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 2>previously been bringing into threads on all the other social

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 2>net works. Like I truly believe there will be time.

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I also think that MATTA has learned a lot of

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 2>lessons from its previous five or six years of disasters,

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 2>and so hopefully they'll be able to mitigate some of

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>those problems. But like it's a let's just get the

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 2>order of operations straight. Job one is to kill Twitter, right, yes,

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.399
<v Speaker 2>and I think pretty good jobs so far, amazing job.

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.800
<v Speaker 2>But like obviously from an audience size, and I was

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna say, Zuckerberg posted this thing about how they haven't

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 2>even done any like promotions yet, which I think is

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 2>an interesting It's kind of like he's saying, like, you know,

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:33.320
<v Speaker 2>we need one hundred million just by turning it on.

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 2>What would happen if we actually told other people about it, Like,

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:38.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think that's what happened.

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what would happen if we tried? Yeah, so what

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:42.759
<v Speaker 1>will happen? I think if they can get to the

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 1>if they can get the rest of the Twitter people.

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 1>But can you have a Twitter competitor or killer without

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:50.799
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis? I guess that's the ultimate question.

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know, Instagram's community guidelines are actually

0:34:56.480 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 2>much more restrictive than Twitter. So you know, as you've

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 2>probably been wondering why you're not able to post whole

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 2>on thought and the reason keeps getting keeps getting bounced,

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:08.840
<v Speaker 2>keeps getting flagged. Yeah yeah, well the reason is, you know,

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:10.879
<v Speaker 2>you can't post nudity on Instagram and so you can't

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 2>post it on threads. So I mean, look, they make

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 2>decisions I disagree with. They gave Rfki Junior his account

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 2>back just because he ran for president. So I'm sure

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be problematic actors on there, but you know,

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 2>it's it's gonna be much better, I think, than it

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 2>was on Twitter.

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>So it's funny because I on on Blue Sky, I

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>posted something about like we were there's some conversation going

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.919
<v Speaker 1>on about moderation, right, and it was like the Blue

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Sky people have been very like, weirdly cagy. They're good,

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they want to moderate the bad shit out

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:40.720
<v Speaker 1>of there, but they've been kind of cagy and careful

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 1>about how they talk about it. And I'm like, I

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't understand. Like Instagram, which people fucking love,

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 1>is like one of the craziest moderation situations I've ever experienced.

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.839
<v Speaker 1>Like you can literally like get your shit taken off

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 1>of Instagram for like saying like putting the word dead

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 1>in a post or something like it is. I mean

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:00.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't even mean in text, I mean like in

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>an image, like if the word People like are crossing

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 1>out words like in their posts because they don't want

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 1>to get like dinged and have their shit pulled down.

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:12.320
<v Speaker 2>And yet weirdly, it's a very enjoyable experience. Like I

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:12.799
<v Speaker 2>look at.

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Instagram all the time, and I know, like, well, home,

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I can't see nud to you or how come I

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:18.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, can't hear people talking about like killing people

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:20.960
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. I'm like, Wow, this sucks my two favorite

0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>things nudity and murder threats.

0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Of course I don't follow a lot of political accounts

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 1>on there. I fall some meme accounts, but like, yeah,

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 1>it's fucking enjoyable, and it's like, maybe discourse doesn't have

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.240
<v Speaker 1>to be like this free speech shit is overrated basically.

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, that's basically what they've said is, you know,

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>because all the journalists are sort of like, yay, a

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 2>place to post our links and do journalism. And Adamisaria

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.839
<v Speaker 2>did this sort of widely uh discussed post where he said,

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 2>we know there's gonna be journalism on here, but we're

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:51.360
<v Speaker 2>doing nothing to encourage it. We do not want to

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 2>be like the throbbing heartbeat of the daily news cycle.

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 2>And honestly, I think that that is mostly just marketing, right,

0:36:57.719 --> 0:36:59.760
<v Speaker 2>because they have no control over what people are posting,

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:01.839
<v Speaker 2>and people want to share news there. People are going

0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 2>to share news there, right. But I do think it

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 2>speaks to the fact that they like the fact that

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.280
<v Speaker 2>news has become a much smaller part of their products

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 2>over time, and they hope that continues.

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 1>You know. I mean, I think what he was saying

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 1>in some way was more like a signal to like

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>the market than than anything else. It's like, yeah, I don't,

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't see. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe they do this already.

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much Meta is suppressing like news

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.759
<v Speaker 1>content or I don't know, are they down are they?

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Do you think they would go so far as to

0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 1>downrank journalists or to like suppress news links that are

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:36.280
<v Speaker 1>being widely shared?

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean so. One thing that they will absolutely

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 2>just have to decide is what kind of weight are

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 2>they going to give to links as they are shared? Right,

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:48.320
<v Speaker 2>some some networks are sort of treat those as neutral,

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and other networks say like no, like we want you

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 2>to stay on the site, and so if it includes

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 2>a link, we're going to show it less. So that

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 2>is something that they could do. You know, it may

0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:58.479
<v Speaker 2>be that this winds up not being a great place

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 2>to share news. But you know, again us the news,

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 2>because I'm so far zero on that. I've been this

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 2>whole NonStop pole posted just getting rejected. But yeah, I'm

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:16.360
<v Speaker 2>talking about the news, you know. But again, if I

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 2>think that even though they say they don't want it

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 2>to replace Twitter's function as kind of the like the

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:24.840
<v Speaker 2>newsroom of the world, I think if it became the

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 2>newsroom of the world. They would find a way to

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:28.759
<v Speaker 2>get excited about it, because at the end of the day,

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:31.359
<v Speaker 2>they want what everyone else wants, which is status and money,

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 2>And if they can get status and money from being

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 2>the world's newsroom, they will be the world's newsroom. Right.

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I think it seems to be trending,

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 1>at least in the direction that it has the same

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.359
<v Speaker 1>basic functionality as Twitter. If you are a person who

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>does news, like you can go on here and like

0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>post a news link and it doesn't like as far

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>as I know, it's not like knocking them down a

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 1>peg or something, and it seems like they're just links, right.

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 1>I hear that there are like right wing people on it.

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.359
<v Speaker 1>I have not seen any really. I went to ban

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 1>or sorry not banned, to block some people who I

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:04.480
<v Speaker 1>did not definitely not want to see who are on it,

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:07.879
<v Speaker 1>like George Santos for instance, who I just I don't

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 1>need to hear anything from him whatsoever.

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh, really, you don't like a gay elected officials, Josh?

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 2>I Uh, what I hate most is his gayness.

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 2>I I love that he's gay. I hate everything else.

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm a big, big on his a big fan of

0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 1>his being gay just not a fan of all the

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 1>other stuff. He was simply just gay, that would be great,

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 1>But he's so much more complex than that. And I

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.799
<v Speaker 1>think that's true of many in the community. Honestly, when

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.760
<v Speaker 1>you when you think about that, it's it's a divers

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 1>and complex community of people who are you know, some

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 1>people are gay, some people are gay, and a bunch

0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 1>of other stuff like George Santos. No, but like but yeah,

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 1>but like is it do you get a sense that

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 1>like the truth social folks or the Twitter people are

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 1>like flying over to like occupy their space or are

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>they like, hey, soon we can have all of Twitter,

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>which they don't realize how it will actually be.

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean, well, the best was that some of

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Elon's minions, like the people who were falling all over

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.320
<v Speaker 2>themselves to suck up to Elon when he took over Twitter.

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 2>There was kind of this question of how long will

0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 2>they be able to resist joining threads because it's clear

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 2>that that's where the action is going to be. Yeah,

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 2>and number one on that list was Jason Kalakano. Yeah,

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:23.800
<v Speaker 2>advisor to Elon, and Jason didn't even make it forty

0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 2>eight hours before he joined Threads to you know, take

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:28.800
<v Speaker 2>some patcha yeah.

0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 1>So to make fun of Zuckerberg, but like you're here,

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 1>You're here, you showed up.

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah. So it's like even the people that

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 2>are like Elon is, you know, he's mister business genius

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 2>and he's gonna prove you all wrong. Even those people

0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 2>are ready to abandon ship. You know.

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm loving I mean, I am loving that shit. I

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 1>have to say from a from a crow eating perspective,

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>it is a very very delicious meal to witness. All right,

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 1>so we really quickly, we gotta we do have to

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>wrap up. Although I am enjoying, I gotta say, Casey,

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 1>it is. It is so fun to talk to you.

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:00.120
<v Speaker 1>It is just like you just a giggle f I

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:00.840
<v Speaker 1>love talking to you.

0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 2>It's a good it is. Give me a.

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Prediction, lay it out. Where do you see this all headed?

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Give me give me the year ahead for Threads and Twitter.

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 2>So I predict that at this time next year, Threads

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 2>will be the biggest text based social network, and I

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 2>think it will have largely supplanted the role that Twitter

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 2>plays in the news ecosystem today. So that is my

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 2>actual approsse.

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you stand, you'll stand by you feeling good, you

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 1>feeling good about that, you can stand by that prediction.

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 2>I think it just all the ingredients are in place

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 2>and all of the right people want it to app.

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:34.400
<v Speaker 2>It would be one thing if only Meta wanted this,

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Like what Meta wants actually matters the least. What matters

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 2>is that the user base want the fact that like

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 2>you a person, you know, you've been very critical of Facebook.

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I've been very critical of Facebook. I talked to other reporters.

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.239
<v Speaker 2>They're all saying the same thing, which is, thank god

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 2>this thing is here. Yeah, those people who are who

0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.319
<v Speaker 2>are the most likely to have said screw this whole thing,

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.360
<v Speaker 2>are all in. I think it wins.

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 1>It is very deranged. It is a little bit of

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:01.359
<v Speaker 1>a so so, okay, where is Twitter In a year

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:01.839
<v Speaker 1>from now.

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:08.759
<v Speaker 2>Twitter is going to be like, here's the thing. The

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:14.320
<v Speaker 2>app will still exist. I think I'm not sure that

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.360
<v Speaker 2>I would confidently predict this, but I think there's a

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 2>very good chance that it is bankrupt. And I think

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:23.280
<v Speaker 2>that a year from now Elon Musk is seriously exploring

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:25.439
<v Speaker 2>how to unwind his ownership of the app.

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that checks out for sure. Yeah, I

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:31.839
<v Speaker 1>mean this all sounds right. To me, I have very

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 1>little to disagree with. I feel like I don't know,

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I would be more sad. I guess, like, here's the thing.

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.399
<v Speaker 1>A part of me is just like realizes that recognizes

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.240
<v Speaker 1>that if we want to use a social media platform

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 1>of some type, it's not I mean, I understand the

0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 1>whole like fetaverse and the masset On thing, and that's cool.

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Like if they can make it work, well I'm totally

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 1>into it and I'll keep posting there or whatever. But

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:58.719
<v Speaker 1>like I think we all acknowledge like whether it's Jack

0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Dorsey or Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg, like one of

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 1>these people that we probably wouldn't love to hang out

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.600
<v Speaker 1>with in person, wouldn't make you know, wouldn't make a

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:11.239
<v Speaker 1>best friend, and have nefarious, kind of shitty reasons for

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 1>doing the business they do, are going to run the

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 1>social network, whatever one it is, it's going to be

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 1>some person like that. So I feel like, you know,

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of like, yeah, do I care if in

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:23.879
<v Speaker 1>this case, like I clearly don't care in the case

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 1>of Instagram, Do I care in this case if like

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 1>it's owned by Mark Zuckerberg versus Ela Muskin, Like, but we.

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:33.359
<v Speaker 2>Haven't even talked about the fact that it's decentralized, which

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 2>is the actual answer that, well, like, you're going to

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 2>be able to set up your own server and you're

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 2>going to be able to have your posts appear on

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:42.400
<v Speaker 2>threads even though Meta doesn't operate it.

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:44.879
<v Speaker 1>They say that. They say that, and I think there's

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 1>a common belief that they are doing that partially because

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.239
<v Speaker 1>if they basically make it a part of the fetiverse,

0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:53.959
<v Speaker 1>right is what would happen. They can basically get away

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:56.759
<v Speaker 1>with doing whatever moderation they want. They say, Hey, no,

0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 1>you can the post here, you can set up your

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:00.439
<v Speaker 1>own server and your own rules and bob blah blah,

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:02.360
<v Speaker 1>and then they don't have to worry about being the

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 1>arbiters of free speech or whatever on their own rock.

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:07.399
<v Speaker 1>Which is a good answer to that problem, by the way,

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.359
<v Speaker 1>it's a great answer, and it's it's the one we're

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 1>all looking for.

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:10.720
<v Speaker 2>I think.

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I also feel like, I don't know, it's a little

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:17.800
<v Speaker 1>bit like if nobody cares that much about the moderation,

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.520
<v Speaker 1>which I feel like it's possible, like maybe nobody really

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:22.640
<v Speaker 1>at this point will care that much. People care, like

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:24.720
<v Speaker 1>you don't hear the right wing people being like Instagram

0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:27.400
<v Speaker 1>suppressing my I mean, Donald Trump Junior, I think did ye.

0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:30.360
<v Speaker 2>But I read about content moderation all the time. This

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 2>is such a perfect all time case study because people

0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 2>are leaving Twitter because it did not have content moderation.

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Like the failure of content moderation on Twitter created the

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 2>opportunity for threads. You got one hundred million US.

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, the idea that whatever, well, first off,

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:46.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it wasn't a free speech utopia. It was

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:51.280
<v Speaker 1>the speech that Elon Musk likes best, which is like weird,

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 1>weirdly anti semitic and racist and like really.

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Bad transphobic a lot of things.

0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:00.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, super transphobic, like just fucking weird bad, Like

0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 1>you could just not say shit, you know, if you're

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 1>if I were the richest man in the world, if

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I if which I think he is now currently, I

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:11.920
<v Speaker 1>would simply not post my personal feelings about things on

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 1>the Internet. I would just keep them to myself because

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I could just change those things. I could just literally

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 1>buy the thing and get rid of it if I

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't like it. This is what we all think, but

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 1>all the billionaires do wind up posting.

0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it's one of the only ways they can

0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:28.919
<v Speaker 2>feel like Jos supposed to become a certain reson.

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:31.920
<v Speaker 1>You saw the what do you drink for a hangover?

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Or what do you eat after a hangover? Asking for

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 1>a friend or whatever. I'm sorry, dude, I'm you gotta

0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:39.719
<v Speaker 1>get another fucking hobby. Like you do not need to

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:43.720
<v Speaker 1>be on social media. You're Jeff Bezos, like buy a country,

0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, like find something fun to do

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:48.480
<v Speaker 1>this chrassty you know what?

0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 2>You know how that one episode of House of the Dragon,

0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:53.799
<v Speaker 2>the like princesses like put on disguises and go mingle

0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:56.280
<v Speaker 2>with the comedy folk like that, That's what Jeff Bezos

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:57.719
<v Speaker 2>was also kind of the plot of a lad and

0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 2>I now realize and it was also famous the plot

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 2>of Aladdin. Yeah, I hope that the creators of House

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 2>of Dragon answer for that anymore youth. Yes, seriously, they

0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.439
<v Speaker 2>need to be brought to justice, you think.

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, just to be clear, you think they like it

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 1>because they get to mingle with the commoners.

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Is that what you're saying? They want to feel somethdate,

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.719
<v Speaker 2>what's your a certain level of rich? You cannot feel

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:20.279
<v Speaker 2>anything anymore. There are no comps.

0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.280
<v Speaker 1>You could do whatever you want. There are no consequence

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:24.239
<v Speaker 1>to pay to feel something. They can get someone to

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 1>make them feel. So I don't know, Man, that's interesting.

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 2>No, they want that little hit. It's it's the adrenaline

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:32.680
<v Speaker 2>rush them. I'm gonna go step out of the public

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:34.439
<v Speaker 2>square and maybe they're gonna throw egsit me, but maybe

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:35.359
<v Speaker 2>they'll think I'm really yes.

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:37.600
<v Speaker 1>So man, it'd be so cool if they had something

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:40.359
<v Speaker 1>interesting to say. Imaginef they stepped out of the public

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:42.759
<v Speaker 1>square and said cool shit. Like it's kind of hard

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:46.840
<v Speaker 1>to imagine, right, Like like what like, man, the Ramones

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 1>were great in nineteen seventy eight.

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know because I guess I'm not them, but

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I would definitely say something like other than the trans

0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:58.320
<v Speaker 1>people shouldn't exist or whatever the thing they came up with,

0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 1>like or should I drink? What should I eat after

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.879
<v Speaker 1>a hang for a hangover? Like I'm sorry, Like it's

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:07.440
<v Speaker 1>got to be some other thing to say. Yeah, anyhow,

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 1>all right, I think we got to wrap up here.

0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:10.879
<v Speaker 1>I think we've devolved into I don't know, I don't

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:11.799
<v Speaker 1>know what we've devolved into.

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Casey.

0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:18.439
<v Speaker 1>As always, this has been absolutely delightful, so fun and educational. Yeah,

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, I got a lot of information,

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 1>but it was presented in a way that was digestible

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 1>and enjoyable. And I think like, that's one of your talents.

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 1>You can just put you put it out there. But

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 1>people are like, that's great.

0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:31.839
<v Speaker 2>I get it. I understand it. Casey made it. Casey

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 2>made me understand I love it. I love what I do.

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.320
<v Speaker 2>It's you're the best. You'll have to come back.

0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Again in a year. Now, you're gonna come back soon

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 1>to the in a year, but for sure we should

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:43.280
<v Speaker 1>mark this date down. We're going to do it, revisit

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:45.279
<v Speaker 1>this in one year, and we can get to see

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.200
<v Speaker 1>how close you were on your predictions, which I think

0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:50.279
<v Speaker 1>will be ah, really exciting. I love it. Let's find out,

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:53.960
<v Speaker 1>all right, And then in the meantime, follow a Casey

0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 1>on threads. He's at Crumbler. Crumbler isn't Crumbler. It's not great,

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 1>It's not great. I really should have just gotten my

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:02.759
<v Speaker 1>full name.

0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Is it Sea Rumbler? Is that it's Crumbler. It's Sea Rumbler. Yeah,

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:08.920
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to use their name. That Ryan was Tumblr,

0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:11.800
<v Speaker 2>which was very hot in twenty ten when Instagram launched

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.800
<v Speaker 2>so and you can also follow me. I'm just Joshua

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Zapolski because I just decided at one point I was

0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:20.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna use my full giant, horrible name every on every

0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 2>social network, which was ultimately genius Day. But no, no,

0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:25.400
<v Speaker 2>it is what it is.

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:27.400
<v Speaker 1>And anyway, check us out on threads. We're dropping some

0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:29.600
<v Speaker 1>sick posts on there, both of us. I mean, just

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:30.560
<v Speaker 1>incredible content.

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, tell us which way you put put the milk

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:33.920
<v Speaker 2>in here?

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're like, I just dropped a big bod. It's

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:38.560
<v Speaker 1>is a hot dog of sandwich. It's getting a lot

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:40.920
<v Speaker 1>of get a lot of heat right now.

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:42.239
<v Speaker 2>It got a lot of I think. Fuck.

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Jerry actually just stole it and posted it on their thread,

0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 1>so it's it's really heating up out there.

0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you so much. This is super fun. You

0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 2>got to come back and do it again. Yeah, I

0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:56.680
<v Speaker 2>have you anytime.

0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think we've learned a lot here. I think

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 1>we've learned a lot on the show. I think what

0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 1>we now know is that if Casey and I podcasts together,

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:14.800
<v Speaker 1>we will giggle like little children for most of it.

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 1>And I'm assuming annoying the listener tremendously, but also I

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:23.040
<v Speaker 1>think we've solved the riddle of social media, and that's

0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:25.080
<v Speaker 1>a you know, that's huge for us. I think we

0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 1>have personally made some great strides in helping humanity move

0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:32.640
<v Speaker 1>towards it's the next stage of evolution, where we will

0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 1>all become glowing orbs of pure thought and communicate by telepathy,

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:40.399
<v Speaker 1>or we'll just all be using threads, you know, which

0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 1>is almost the same thing.

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:44.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, that is our show for this week.

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:47.400
<v Speaker 1>We will be back next week with more what future,

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 1>and as always, I wish you and your family the

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:50.879
<v Speaker 1>very best.