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Speaker 1: Always I'm plugging is forgotten seasons. Welcome to the show,

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Speaker 1: Devin Harris, De Harris, Man, how's it going.

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Speaker 2: It's doing well, man, doing well. How you guys look

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Speaker 2: like you're doing well? He looks nice and relaxed, Dylan.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, De Harris. Been somewhere living

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Speaker 2: well and not stressed out right now playing some golf.

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Speaker 2: You know you see?

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Speaker 1: Yeah speak speaking of doing well and relaxing. We got

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Speaker 1: Jelani checking in from Mexico right now, Coabo, so we

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Speaker 1: got our first international podcast. Thank you for taking time

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Speaker 1: out of your vacation with WiFi. Come on to talk

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Speaker 1: a little Devon Harris with us.

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Speaker 2: It's cool, Devin Harris. I enjoyed watching Devin Harris play.

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Speaker 2: This is a tree for me. So this pays the bill.

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Speaker 2: Wife are gonna have to deal with it. She got

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Speaker 2: some champagne at the post, right.

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Speaker 1: So we like to start these shows off sometimes running

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Speaker 1: through a couple of stats, especially for somebody that played

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Speaker 1: fifteen years in the league, and which is pretty rare.

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Speaker 1: You played just under a thousand games. You're six foot three.

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Speaker 1: Usually small guards, we hear don't really last that long

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Speaker 1: in the NBA. If you had to guess how many

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Speaker 1: players in NBA history that were six to three and

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Speaker 1: shorter do you think played more games over their career

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Speaker 1: than you? Out of the forty five hundred five thousand

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Speaker 1: players ever in.

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Speaker 2: The favorite parts of the show Man, let's see.

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Speaker 3: Two hundred twenty four only twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Sixty three or smaller. So out of small small guard,

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Speaker 1: so to speak, I guess six to three is kind

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Speaker 1: of teetering on that brink between a small guard and

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Speaker 1: a regular guard. But safe to say you've seen some

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Speaker 1: shit throughout your careers? Is that safe to say?

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Speaker 2: That? Is? That is safe to say a lot of things?

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Speaker 1: Yes, What do you think your secret sauce to lasting

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Speaker 1: so long in the league? Is? Was it discipline? Was

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Speaker 1: it being a good guy? Was it being a good teammate?

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Speaker 1: Was it all the above?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: How did you last fifteen years in the league as

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Speaker 1: a guard?

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's about being a good teammate. Guys

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Speaker 3: want you around. I think it's it's about the discipline. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: taking care of your body, doing the things to make

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Speaker 3: sure that you last. But I think the biggest thing

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Speaker 3: is the ability to adjust, knowing where you are in

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Speaker 3: your career, and knowing how to get the most out

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Speaker 3: of that. And I see a lot of guys who

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Speaker 3: go from being a starter being the number one option

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Speaker 3: and then you know, coming to that realization like Okay,

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Speaker 3: I am now a bench player, so my game has

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Speaker 3: to adjust and and what does that look look look like?

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Speaker 2: And and so on.

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Speaker 3: So I've been on a team where I've been an

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Speaker 3: All Star, I've been on the team Where've been a

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Speaker 3: number one, number one option. I've also been on a

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Speaker 3: team where I've been the tenth guy and the eleventh

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Speaker 3: guy those and those roles don't look the same. So

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Speaker 3: being able to adjust to that role and maximizing that,

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Speaker 3: I think is the real key.

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Speaker 2: I would say as a player and somebody to watch

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Speaker 2: this game. I know he's considered undersized with six four

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Speaker 2: being the threshold to a bigger guard. YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 2: You have to catch de Harris. You want you want

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Speaker 2: to be physical, and you know he he's a smaller guard.

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Speaker 2: WOOTI WOOTI woo. But a lot he was elusive, Like

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Speaker 2: the scouting report was to go do things to be

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Speaker 2: decide you want to be physical with him. And one

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Speaker 2: thing I was always a fan of his, and he

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Speaker 2: was elusive. He reminded me of a running back, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. He had a good change in space,

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Speaker 2: you know, just when it was about to get drama,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He knew how to elude

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Speaker 2: of mitched hard for a big to hedge to do

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Speaker 2: different things today De Harris that they tell you on

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Speaker 2: the scouting report, but it's like, yo, Bro, I mean,

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Speaker 2: he was gone by the time I got up there,

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Speaker 2: that's one thing that I noticed, and as a player

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Speaker 2: don't know what it translated to. He's saying IQ and

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Speaker 2: hadn't seen yet. That's from my point of view. Kenny

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Speaker 2: Jett always talks about what's your superpower, right, and and

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Speaker 3: The difference between you know you you and another person,

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Speaker 3: what do you do well? And obviously, yes, speed was

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Speaker 3: that without sometimes too especially early in my career to

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Speaker 3: a fault. You know, I really didn't have that change

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Speaker 3: of speed. I didn't really know what what that could

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Speaker 3: back pocket, that's when, Yeah, that's when you see, you know,

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Speaker 3: I like to hit people first, and that's something that

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Speaker 3: I learned. So like if I hit you first, that

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Speaker 3: that takes your physicalness away from you. That way, I'm

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Speaker 3: determining how hard you know, I get hit, and it

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Speaker 3: I learned or really from my brother early on. He

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Speaker 2: Shout out big bro.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're going to go all throughout your career.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you had some really high points, you had some

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Speaker 1: low points. We're actually going to start with a new

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Speaker 1: segment and maybe a game. So if you could bear

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Speaker 1: with us here. We're going to try and give back

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Speaker 1: to charity in this segment. You were on the twenty

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Speaker 1: ten Nets who won twelve games, which not very many.

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Speaker 1: I think, the seventh worst team in NBA history. So

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Speaker 1: we're going to play a little bit of game for

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Speaker 1: every player that you can name on that team, Forgotten

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Speaker 1: Seasons is going to donate twelve dollars to whatever charity

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Speaker 1: of your choice. So we'll start a timer of you know,

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Speaker 1: call it two minutes, so whenever you're ready, you could

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Speaker 1: take a second. Can you try and name as many

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Speaker 1: people as you remember from that twelve to seventeen NETS team.

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Speaker 2: He probably needs a great team, man. He probably knows Dylan.

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Speaker 2: Give him an extra five seconds for my ram.

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Speaker 1: But go for it, and if you can name more

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Speaker 1: than twelve, we'll put one hundred dollars additional to whatever

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Speaker 1: charity you like, the Devin Harris Foundation, we could donate

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Speaker 1: to some charity in New Jersey, in Wisconsin, whatever you like.

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Speaker 1: But we're to try and give back using the twenty

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Speaker 1: ten Nets as a vessel today.

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Speaker 3: Okay, uh Brook low Pez easy on, Leon Tony batt

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Speaker 3: Ray for Austin. Uh Terrence Williams, Chris Douglas Roberts, Yep,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna be broke. Bobby Simmons, No, yeah, Bobby's auntie Okay, yep, Uh,

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Speaker 3: Trenton Hassle, Jevin.

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Speaker 4: That's not ke On Dowley yep. Courtney Lee, yep, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, never mind, man, here.

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Speaker 1: We go, Here we go. That's eleven.

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Speaker 2: It's eleven.

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Speaker 1: You got eleven out of seventeen right now?

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Speaker 2: Seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Josh Boon, Yep, there's twelve. One morning we hit the bonus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I might be blanking out after that.

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Speaker 1: Kardashian.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Chris, Chris, Chris did he did?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Was that early? Chris humphreyes. We were in the

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Speaker 2: same draft, so he was.

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Speaker 3: He was probably six years in, okay, six seven years in? Okay,

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Speaker 3: Humphreys Asha was not on that team. That was the

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Speaker 3: next year's team. We would just know that wasn't okay,

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Speaker 3: that was next year Okay.

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Speaker 1: Uh, we'll put the Jeopardy music underneath this too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're definitely gonna do it. He close.

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Speaker 3: Marcus was Marcus uh yukon?

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Speaker 2: No, he was there, Okay, that was year before the guard.

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Speaker 2: Who's that?

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Speaker 3: Marcus Williams? He was about Marcus Williams. That was That

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Speaker 3: was the year before I think I'm done.

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Speaker 2: I can't. Haven't come. Man, that's thirteen for somebody for

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Speaker 2: for a player. Who you the man at this point too.

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Speaker 2: You can forget at least six of those names on

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Speaker 3: It was the worst year. It was honestly the worst year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could have easily forgot about everybody, the

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Speaker 2: parking lady, the popcorn guy. Like, I'm surprised. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: Who did I miss I'm curious about Chris Quinn?

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Speaker 1: You missed Sean Williams.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I couldn't think of it with Sean.

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Speaker 3: What Sean the big one from Boston College.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, you missed Jarvis Hayes Jarvis and Eduardo Nahara.

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Speaker 2: Eddie shutout Eddie's good peoples.

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Speaker 1: But you did pretty good. I mean sometimes I think

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Speaker 3: And the Jersey days it was weird because when I

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Speaker 3: We made the trade for Jason Kidd, we had Vince,

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Speaker 3: I feel like every year they just kept stripping talent away.

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Speaker 3: that was I made the All Star team, and it

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Speaker 3: was like, okay, like we're just missed the playoffs. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 3: we got ads and pieces. No, we strip away. We

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Speaker 3: But just we're from like a savvy veteran team to

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Speaker 3: it's just we got off to a really rough start

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Speaker 3: couldn't recover. And we went through four We had five

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Speaker 3: four or five coaches that year too.

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Speaker 2: Hey to that, to that, No, d how hard is it?

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Speaker 2: How easy is it to keep losing games when you're

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Speaker 2: in a tough situation. Me and Dylan was just talking

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Speaker 2: about that. I was like, bro, it's kind of easy,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Once it premiers from top

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Speaker 2: to bottom and the poison gets in there, you look up, man,

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Speaker 2: you don't drop six, seven, eight in a row.

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Speaker 3: And it becomes more of a mental hurdle, right, So

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Speaker 3: when when in that first game, it's like you get closer,

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Speaker 3: you get closer, and then you get to that four

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Speaker 3: We're gonna win this game. Then we make a mental

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Speaker 2: Was it fun? Somebody, Hey, listen if some charity, some

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Speaker 2: Devin Harrison forgotten season. So yeah, it was fine. It's

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Speaker 2: So that's my offering, you can talk on Wisconsin basketball.

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Speaker 1: By joining Wondery plus two thousand and four Draft, you

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Speaker 3: a you know, a tug puol of you know what

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00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

436
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: Coaches, and yeah, they don't really have no tangible information

437
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 2: for you when you're going through a mentally, Dylan, you

438
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's just like, hopefully you got somebody,

439
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 2: your uncle, your dad. You know, this is a man thing.

440
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 2: When it happens mentally, like veterans can give you. You

441
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: need to get in the gym, you get on your

442
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: left hand, you need to work on this. But when

443
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: it starts happened mentally, like you need to hummy, you

444
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean. You need you with your mom,

445
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: you whoever that closest person it's to you, that's the

446
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: person that's going to fix the basketball. Hopefully, maybe you

447
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 2: get somebody on the staff. Rarely you do. It might

448
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 2: be the video guy or the lower guy that they

449
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 2: don't really mess with.

450
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 3: So we actually we actually had we have a we

451
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 3: had a team psychologist, sports psychologist, Don Coxtein and I

452
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 3: spent so much time with him that year, and yeah,

453
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: just trying to and he understood like it was like

454
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: there was no perfect scenario, and he knew like that

455
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 3: my head was just all over the pace at times.

456
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 3: And you know, we would go back at night and.

457
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: Just just work on things that had nothing to do

458
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 2: with the game, but just try to give me something

459
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: to focus on. And you know, he was he was

460
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: inter mental, just just getting through that first year and

461
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 2: coming through that second year just as a restart and

462
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 2: having a better understanding of what to come into the situation.

463
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: Shout out, Doc, that's important, man, for a young man

464
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,719
Speaker 2: to have a professional that's even better than the homie

465
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: or the uncle. This is a professional. Like I said,

466
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 2: once you unlock the mind, the basketball part is the

467
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: easy part, you know what I mean. Once you start

468
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: thinking too much and listening to everybody and like you

469
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: want to please everybody and trying to get find your way,

470
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: that's when you start running into problems. Everybody's not as

471
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: talented and headstrong to make themselves a whole other personality.

472
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 2: We got some players that we work with, you know, KG, Paul,

473
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: people who get nicknames. They can flip a switch and

474
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 2: it's not you're not talking to Paul or so and

475
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: so you talk to the truth. Speaking of that, I'm

476
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: glad you brought that up.

477
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: So I learned that from my next coach, well, my

478
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 3: second coach, Avery the importance of swagger, right, and he

479
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: kind of instilled that in me my second and third year.

480
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: And it's like when you want when you walk into

481
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 3: this building, you are you are the point god of

482
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 3: the Dallas.

483
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 5: That's how you walk into this building.

484
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: Like you wouldn't have thought you would have got swagged

485
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 2: from AVERYE. Johnson, but yeah, that's all the swag that

486
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 2: you needed. Yeah, he was the general. Yeah. Yeah.

487
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: And once once that confidence was like and I was like, okay,

488
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: It's like then you start to realize, like, Okay, I

489
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: hear what you're saying, but I'm I got this. It's

490
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: my time now, Like I hear what you're saying, but

491
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 3: like I see what's going on out there, and I'm

492
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 3: gonna make this happen. I think that he was so

493
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 3: important for.

494
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: Me having a player coach, somebody that played as opposed

495
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: to somebody that had their lives, spent their lives acident.

496
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: Knowing Nellie Nellie nell he played too, but he did.

497
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: He did.

498
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 3: I honestly, I honestly wish I had more time with

499
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 3: Nelly and in a better scenario, like I think I

500
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: could have. His system was tailor made for me. As

501
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 3: I start to understand how to be effective. Amy was

502
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: good too. It took us a while to get on

503
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: the same page because like Avery went straight from playing,

504
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: I mean playing to coaching. And sometimes when when that,

505
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: when that happens, it's like they still think like as oh,

506
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 3: he you know, he still think he could like beat me,

507
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 3: and like one like you think you nice?

508
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: Huh you think you know?

509
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, no, coach, I'm real deal out here,

510
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 3: Like yeah, so he like, well, so we used to

511
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 3: have those battles of like you know, he's still kind

512
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: of not holding on to plan, but he's still in

513
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: that kind of mindset as he wanted.

514
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: To tease, that's how you want to teach you. I'll

515
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: take you out, but real quick, exact exactly.

516
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, talk to us about uh Mark Cuban in

517
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: the locker room that you walked into, there was a

518
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: quote from you and Sports Illustrated back then that you

519
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: said the locker room was nicer than your house. Remember

520
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: this is around the time that Mark Cuban put the

521
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: eleven inch TVs and the walls and had the PlayStation

522
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: two's and the stereos. We hear so many stories about

523
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban from Muggsy Bogue saying that he paid him,

524
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, paid his salary as he had to leave

525
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: while his mother was sick.

526
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: Uh.

527
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: He's fighting big farmer right now. Like what do you

528
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: have a Mark Cuban memory? And what was it like

529
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: walking into that locker room that at the time felt

530
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: like it was, you know, state of the art, blown

531
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: blown away every other locker.

532
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: Room coming out of college, coming into an NBA locker

533
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: room already already excited.

534
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: Just fly ship.

535
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: We know.

536
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: No, the football team didn't play for the the full

537
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: football team. The football team.

538
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we kind of transformed, as you know, on

539
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: the way out they started we started getting flat stuff.

540
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, but coming into it, I mean, like

541
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: you said, PlayStations, you know, TVs. Uh, robes are robes,

542
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: like shower robes, dope, like just any anything you could

543
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 3: possibly want at your at your fingertips. We had to actually,

544
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: I mean we had our own plane right Uh Maverick

545
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: sign on the on the on the tail.

546
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 2: Uh.

547
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: Each recliner chair had its own private TV that you

548
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: could pull out. I mean this, and looking at other

549
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 3: teams and obviously other rookies I was friends with, I

550
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 3: mean nothing compared to what I had access to food,

551
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 3: Everything was just laid out first class. But also what

552
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 3: I said, coming into a situation as the fifth pick

553
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: at the time with a team that wins fifty five

554
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: games every year, they go deep into the playoffs, and

555
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: you know, we're in this championship window at this point.

556
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: So to walk into that, to that situation, Mark Cuban

557
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: really knew how to get guys to buy in and

558
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: have guys want to be able to come to his team.

559
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: And I thought he did a phenomenal job of that.

560
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: And I'll just tell a little bit of story, and

561
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 3: this was much later in our relationship. I did lose

562
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: my brother about seven nine nine years ago to a

563
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: tragic car accident happened the night of a game situation

564
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 3: where kind of lingered over two or three days. I

565
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 3: want to say that man sat in the waiting room

566
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: with me the entire time with my family where we

567
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: had to make very tough decisions at that point in time,

568
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: and he was there with me that that entire time

569
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 3: and I can't.

570
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what owner.

571
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 3: Would would really be able to relate to a player

572
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 3: like that, where you know, it's one of the worst

573
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 3: nights possible you have to deal with, and he just

574
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: sat there with us and just you know, walked everything

575
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: with us. And you know, I'm sort of the leader

576
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 3: of my family, had to take charge and a lot

577
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: of decisions that we had to make and I'm only

578
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: you know, twenty thirty one I think at the time,

579
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: and be able to talk, you know, things with him

580
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: and kind of figure things out. That was that was

581
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: huge for me at that point in our family. So

582
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: I always have a special connection to him just in

583
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: that way. And on top of that, he brought me

584
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: back three different times. I mean, I don't know what

585
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: other owner has, you know what I mean.

586
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did have that relationship where you just can't

587
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: manage and get back to Dallas. Definitely right for Cube.

588
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: The cube reeks of human being, of great hum facts

589
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: and stories like this, even when you have, if you

590
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to come across them, even if you're

591
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: al I've been a starter. I've been a tenth guy

592
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: on the bitch a lot, you know, journeyman, whatever, shit

593
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: you want to say. But every time I saw a cube, hey, Jelani,

594
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He was present. He talked

595
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: to me about what was presently going on. It wasn't

596
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: like I was trying to get to his team, and like,

597
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: hey man sign me. When he sees you, he sees

598
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: you as you presently are. It's not really don't have

599
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: to be a basketball conversation. You can geek out about

600
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: business life the days. Just a good human being. And

601
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: the more and more stories that you have from owners

602
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: and guys that he didn't have to be nice to

603
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: that just the stories that just keep adding up about

604
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: behind closed doors. This dude is like one of the greatest.

605
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: He's up there with like Keanu Reeves for human being.

606
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: I got another one for you guys. So that this

607
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 3: has happened recently, you realize that he just sold the

608
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 3: team recently. I don't know if it was out there.

609
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm supposed to tell, but he

610
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: did this when he sold Broadcast dot Com. I'm not

611
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 3: sure how many employees he had at the time, but

612
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: everybody who was on his staff, he sets aside a

613
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: portion of the sale and they all get they all

614
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: get money. So recently with with the Mavericks, I want

615
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: to say it was a pool of about two to

616
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: three hundred, maybe even more employees, and they created a

617
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: formula how you know what your salary was, how many

618
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: years you've been with the team, and broken down and

619
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: everybody got a little piece of that sales.

620
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: On his way out, and that's that's probably. That's probably

621
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: everybody from the head of head of everything to the

622
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: pop marketing.

623
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, the street team, the dudes who put

624
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: the brochures in the in the in the seats before

625
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: the games and the t sets.

626
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, go to the two thousand and six finals. This

627
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: is obviously a big discussion and topic. What I want

628
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: to know first, who is your roommate when Avery Johnson

629
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: made you guys switch hotels.

630
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: Ud A and Benga Uh normally uh big big DJ

631
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: oh snap, Okay, it worked out.

632
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: It worked out for me because DJ didn't speak English

633
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: that well, so I got to watch whatever I wanted

634
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: to watch on TV.

635
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 5: You know, well were watching.

636
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: He didn't care, and it was at the point where

637
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: like we were shut off from the world. So you know,

638
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: we went over to for I think it was Fort

639
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: Lauderdale at the time, I mean, we're completely away from

640
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: all we we just lived a and breed basketball for

641
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: I think like a three and a half three like

642
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: three day period, and it was just ball and being

643
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: stuck in that room with DJ that that was it.

644
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: So by the time I got back on that court

645
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: for that, I think it was game four, Game five,

646
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: I was ready to fight somebody. I'm like, I'm ready to.

647
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: Roll, Like, yeah, I read that.

648
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: Uh So for everybody that doesn't know, I guess this

649
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: was after you got blown out in Game four and

650
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: the series was tied at Too Too and there were

651
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: everybody's family was staying at the same hotel Miami, and

652
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: Avery kind of freaked out and said, we're going to

653
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale. I read that like Darryl Armstrong was rooming

654
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: with Dirk, and like Dirk's a bit you know, big

655
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: fellows need their sleep, and Daryl Armstrong like doesn't sleep.

656
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: He kept Dirk.

657
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: Do you think that was the right choice, Like, obviously,

658
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: hindsight is twenty twenty and you could say it was

659
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: or was not. But in that time, like do you

660
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: think you needed to be shut off or was the

661
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: was it an exaggeration that like everybody was distracted.

662
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: There was some distractions ill South Beach. Yeah, I mean

663
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: there were some distractions, but that that's a part of it.

664
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: I'm not if I remind me, and you may know this,

665
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: which which game the Stackhouts gets to spend it?

666
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: Four? Was that four? Or five? Do we know?

667
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: That's I'll I'll check that really quick on that.

668
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 5: So we were dealing with some adversity on top of it.

669
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: At we had some distractions. We were a young team.

670
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, I felt it a little extreme to

671
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: spend you know, two to three days out there, and

672
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: I think we put a better effort up.

673
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: In game five.

674
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: Obviously we still lost at that point in time.

675
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: That was the Stackhouse. That was the Stackhouse Special five.

676
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: Okay, five, But it's I mean, I can see it

677
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: both ways. I would have liked to think that maybe

678
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: having families there to sort of have you distract from

679
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: the noise would have would have been a good distraction,

680
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: as opposed just sitting in a room having to listen

681
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: to all of it with nothing to sort of take

682
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: you away from it.

683
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: Uh in a sense.

684
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: But you know, obviously we didn't win a serious so

685
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: we can knock it like all we want but I think,

686
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: you know, we just we didn't. We weren't prepared enough

687
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: and mentally we weren't strong enough to handle being there

688
00:33:59,160 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: and being in the moment.

689
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: Something that I came across in the research and didn't

690
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: even really realize is obviously people today know that kind

691
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: of as the Dwayne Wade series, he breaks out, you're

692
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: probably the one or maybe two primary defender on him.

693
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: But then I kind of started to connect the dots,

694
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: and we got Wisconsin, we got Marquette. When did when

695
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: did you first come across Dwayne Wade? And then how

696
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: big of a nightmare was it guarding him, especially when

697
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: he gets a whistle for for a while.

698
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: Uh, That relationship started in college. Obviously, being from Milwaukee,

699
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: him going to Marquette, we didn't see him right away.

700
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 3: He was a partial qualifier, so he sat out a year,

701
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: and I think that that might have worked out really

702
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: well in his favor, because when he got to you know,

703
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: sophomore year, he was a problem and nobody really knew

704
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: about hi because it wasn't like he coming in as

705
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: as a highly recruited player, and he when he came

706
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: up on the scene, you know, you could tell he

707
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: was being from Chicago, athletic, smooth type of player. I

708
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: will say sophomore year, they did come up to Wisconsin.

709
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: We we did beat the hell out of them on

710
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: our home floor. But you knew he was going to

711
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: be a special player. And you know, we we had

712
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 3: some similar guys that we knew. I played pick up

713
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: in the summer, so it start to build in some

714
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 3: of these, uh these camps over over the summer, and

715
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 3: then I see him again junior year. Obviously his his

716
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: stratosphere is just extremely higher at that point as an

717
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 3: All American. You know, I became a fan just just

718
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 3: watching him, just not when when he played against us.

719
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 3: We end up actually I end up signing with his agent,

720
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: Henry Thomas uh as as I came through the draft,

721
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: So working out in Chicago pre draft, uh, you know,

722
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 3: we became friends, started hanging out. He kind of took

723
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: me underneath his wing in that aspect. But when we

724
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: got on the court, obviously you know, it's competitive as

725
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: can be. And and to say like I playing him

726
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: as much as I did, I felt like I had

727
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 3: a good understanding of what to take away. But when

728
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: he gets the whistle like he's getting I put it

729
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 3: in the same category as when James Harden had that

730
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: run of like you can't touch it, you can't touch me.

731
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: And if you can't, the whistle was a mofo. Man,

732
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: if you got that whistle, and once you got once,

733
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: keep it a butt. Once you became an All Star,

734
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: you got some semblance or whatever. But but not not

735
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: not to this level and that and that and not

736
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: on the biggest stage, you know.

737
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna say like he didn't deserve it

738
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: or he went like someone well, there's someone files. Absolutely,

739
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: we try to be physical with him, We try to

740
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: knock him down, try to knock him on his ass.

741
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 3: But when there's games when he's shooting more free throws

742
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: in our entire two you know what I mean, that's

743
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: that's hard to come back from. And and yeah, when

744
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: when especially he's a smart player, like and he recognizes

745
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: when he gets his whistle, you know, and he starts

746
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: to incorporate that, and it just became it became impossible

747
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: to keep him out of the paint and he just

748
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: took full advantage.

749
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: Is he to both of you? Is he the third

750
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: best shooting guard of all time after Kobe and Mike?

751
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Ai, how do you like your shooting guard. Look,

752
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: you know when people come up with this win like,

753
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: how do you like your shooting guard? Do you like

754
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: the shooter? Shooter you want like a Reggie Miller? Like,

755
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: how you like your shooting guard?

756
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 3: It's it's how your impact on the game and how

757
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 3: so Yeah, it just because could he shoot, Like yeah,

758
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: he wasn't a shooter. He could make shots, and he

759
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: made shots in the clutch. But your style of the game,

760
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: how did the impact and it impacted at an extremely

761
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: high level. We talked about a guy before teams, guys

762
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 3: start teaming up, you know, back when it was like, Okay,

763
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: you're gonna give us one superstar, maybe two. I don't

764
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: shock was teetering at that point, but tex to say,

765
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: he he he. How many guys led their teams to

766
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: NBA championships on their rookie contracts. That's a good question, right,

767
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: you know.

768
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: What I mean?

769
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 3: And you can talk about AI, you can talk about

770
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: how many guys have done that.

771
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 2: You have to go back. You have to go back

772
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: into the eighties, and you know they don't like to

773
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: do that. The hair, you know, that's that's too far back.

774
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: They're going late nineties, early two thousands back. But as

775
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 2: far as history to come up with that person, I

776
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: think you have to go like Mage, Tim Duncan, Yeah,

777
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan, Yeah, but not very few.

778
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: But Tim Duncan also had David Robinson, and I think

779
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: at that point in time, David was still David.

780
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah up here, Sean. Sean Elliott was no punk either. Yeah, yeah,

781
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: Shaq was.

782
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: You know, he wasn't the Shack of LA. He was

783
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: dominant ISC but not not that Kobe and Shack type.

784
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: You know, it was no question it was d Wade's

785
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: team right right.

786
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: That whole team too. I mean I would imagine it's

787
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: somewhat of like obviously not all those guys are in

788
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: that prime, but I mean you say Shack, you got

789
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: him for the guard too, like you got Gary, you

790
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: got Gary Payton and White Chocolate too.

791
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: White Chocolate, Antoine Walker, James Posey.

792
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: That's all type of different styles for you to have

793
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: to go out. Like when he go out the game

794
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: and you think you got to chill, then he come

795
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 2: in with a different flowing style. That's like a dude,

796
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: I thought I got to chill because GP and White Chocolate,

797
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: like they got two different vibrations. You know d Wade,

798
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: you knew what the assignment was stop him from getting

799
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: forty wood. Woot. They come in and it's like, yo,

800
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: what do we what are we on? We got to

801
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: figure out what are they before I can figure out

802
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: how to stop it. I can't imagine like, and you're

803
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: playing a lot of minutes, so I can't imagine, like

804
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: you think you getting the rest when d Wade come

805
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: out of the game and you gotta deal with a

806
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: savvy GP and Jason Williams. So that's that's a lot

807
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: of work, man.

808
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: But that was that was kind of like, that's how

809
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: I when we talked earlier about how do you get

810
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 3: on the court?

811
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: How do you make it? For me?

812
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: It started on the defensive end of the floor. I

813
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 3: had to kind of set my offense aside and say, Okay,

814
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: what does this team need that they don't have out there?

815
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: And I was like I used to have to take

816
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: on the Kobe's of the world. So when when you

817
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: watch that game of like He's got sixty two and

818
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: three quarters, I caught a lot of that at the time,

819
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: and you know, I enjoyed the challenge. But that's how

820
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: I kind of got on the floor and That's how.

821
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: I kind of kicked the door in.

822
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: He was frying and he like yo, when he started

823
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: hitting threes from the timeline, it was like at that

824
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 3: point in time and you just knew he was locked

825
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 3: in and he started talking to you.

826
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: It ain't shit you could do there. It ain't ship like.

827
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 5: It ain't shit you could do it. Literally it was.

828
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: I mean, at that point we just started filing the

829
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: ship out of them like there was nothing left to do.

830
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: I think Josh Josh Howard got kicked out with a

831
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: flagrate two that game. I think Avery Avery got kicked

832
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 3: out with two texts that game.

833
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 2: And to point it was like, yeah, we Hoopers, Ain't

834
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: that the move after he gets sixty or when you

835
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: start getting past forty, ain't that the move? We got

836
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: a fault. I ain't gonna stick around. I'm I'm gonna

837
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: use my sex and be back in the room. I'll

838
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: get with y'all after the game. But I thought its Hoopers.

839
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: Once they start reaching that levy level where you can't

840
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: do nothing with you know, they got the Sion booth,

841
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: It's like, man, I'm gonna see y'all in the locker room.

842
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use We're gonna have to beat him up,

843
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: and I'll meet y'all in the locker room. But I

844
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: ain't standing out here for this. You see that, man? Yeah.

845
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: A couple more topics. Uh so, losing in six in

846
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: the finals, which is devastating. The next year that We

847
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: Believe series, and I think the underrated wrinkle of this,

848
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: which has been talked about, but the animosity that existed

849
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: at that point between Nelly and the Mavericks organization. We

850
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: work with dudes that were on that We Believe team.

851
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: They said, after Nelly and the Warriors won that series

852
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: and beat his old team, he was cool.

853
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: You know he was cool.

854
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: Did you Did you realize the animosity that existed at

855
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: that point. I think there was like a lawsuit that

856
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: might have been active at that point, But that Nelly

857
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: verse the Mavericks was an underratedly massive storyline of that upset.

858
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

859
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: We after losing that series, everybody came back that year

860
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 3: extremely focused. Now I believe, if I'm not mistaken, we

861
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: lost the first five games of that next year. We

862
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: started the season zero to five, and then from that

863
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: point on we went on a tear. And when I

864
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: say we ran through the regular season, I think we

865
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: had like three or four crazy winning streaks that year.

866
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: We were totally locked in just one team that we

867
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 3: did not match up well against, and that was that

868
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: Golden State Warrior team. And I can tell you when

869
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 3: the series shifted. It was before the series even started.

870
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: So we obviously have home home court advantage. At that

871
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: point in time, our practice facility was in the basement

872
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: of the AAC. So the team is coming into the

873
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: words are coming into practice, and this is this is

874
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 3: where everything changed. Nelly walks in, he's walking through the

875
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: weight room like he owns that ship. He's walking in

876
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 3: chest out like like I built this ship.

877
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: It.

878
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 3: Right right, But like he came in with a confidence

879
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: and like I think that kind of put everybody on

880
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 3: tilt a little bit. He knew our team inside and out,

881
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: he knew Dirk inside and out. And they had a

882
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: team where it was a bunch of it was. It

883
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: was the start of positionless basketball. And they put a

884
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 3: team out there that was athletic and shot the ship

885
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: out of the three and was physical and just I mean,

886
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 3: and I felt like going through that series, it felt

887
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 3: like they never missed a shot. It was like they

888
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: swing swing, They put you know, kind of put guys

889
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: in isolation, and then they were just knocking down shots

890
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: and talking shit and just we just didn't have an

891
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 3: answer to their you know what I'm saying. Their their

892
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: positionless basketball, the way they spaced the floor, and they

893
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: just called us.

894
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: At the right let's keep it honest, Devin. They had

895
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: the right bunch of people in that position. Like they

896
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: had a little attitude, you know what I mean. Nelly

897
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: was Foster and that shit and letting them. But they

898
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 2: had that Oakland. Nelly was out there in Oakland after

899
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 2: being around in Dallas, you know, living well, he went

900
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: out there to the town, put some town into it,

901
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: let the town get in him. And at least them boys,

902
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, they had. Yes, it was

903
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: positionless basketball, and there was some new shit, but they

904
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: was doing it with an attitude and a bot that

905
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: I can only imagine as a player. It's like, man,

906
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: they getting that shit off too. Not only are they're

907
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: doing the new position that they y'all gonna let them

908
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: act out like this. They can act like that and

909
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: once that, once that, that's confidence that dev you know that,

910
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 2: And if the if the coaches with it, that shit

911
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: starts snowballing, you get a couple of whistles, and you

912
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean, a couple of games don't go

913
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: with your way, and I mean history is history is

914
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: kind of made. But it was an interesting series, and

915
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: I do believe what you said. Like every time I

916
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: was watching that series, like every big shot that they

917
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: had to make the stop a run before it even started,

918
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, to keep the crowd at

919
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 2: a frenzy. It seemed like either Jack, Matt Beady, whoever

920
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: it was, it was somebody random and it was like

921
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: Jay Rich, you know what I mean. They just had

922
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 2: somebody ram and just had the energy of the town

923
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: and them for real, Yes, And it was just like that.

924
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: That pretty much, I think kind of broke us in

925
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: a sense, like because we had just went through this

926
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: heartbreak in Miami. We had fought so hard to get

927
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 3: into a great mental place and we and if we

928
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 3: win one more game in the regular season, we don't

929
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: even match up.

930
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: With them, that's right, right, you know what I mean?

931
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: And that that was the thing, like we we at

932
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: that point in time, we were so far ahead in

933
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: the standings. We started picking games or were sitting guys out.

934
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: We just win one more game. We don't even see them.

935
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 3: And we run through the West that year and when you.

936
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: Lost, looking at the schedule, you lost from November ninth

937
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: to March eleventh, So that's what four months you lost

938
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: five games?

939
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: Come on, that was frying. Yeah, yeah, that's like, yeah,

940
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 2: that's like when you see them, when you see like

941
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: the last what are they doing the standards like last

942
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: ten every time there says like eight and two seventy

943
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: three at the worst, that's the worst. That's how we

944
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 2: broke Yeah, that's how we That's how we broke down

945
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 2: the season in increments of ten, right, and it's like, okay,

946
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: we started we started a new ten, like what you know,

947
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: new season, like let's go. We got it like and

948
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: we just we just kept it going.

949
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: And I mean we had some amazing winning streaks and

950
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: that that year was so much fun up until.

951
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked to we talked to Dirk and he

952
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: said that m v P ceremony that he had was

953
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: the lowest moment of his career.

954
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: Felt so bad for him.

955
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 3: I mean, because like you know, every if you look

956
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: at like that, that moment of like the m v

957
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: P and when they when they called out and and

958
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: he could hold that trophy up in the crowd and

959
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 3: they're going crazy like that, that's what you want for him, right?

960
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: He did it in some hotel room. He was like, yeah,

961
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: like just you felt it was crazy. It just felt

962
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: you know what he said? You know what he said

963
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: on All the Smoke. When that that, the guys finally

964
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: had the gump shin to ask him about the series

965
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 2: and the m v P trophy. Your boy Dirty said

966
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: that every time he looks at the the m v

967
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 2: P Trophy, he thinks of and then he stopped. It

968
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 2: was like, I think of all the smoke, all the

969
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: smoke because of their podcast. He was like, he was like,

970
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 2: I don't even think every time I see that truckhy

971
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: I think I think of y'all man. But he went,

972
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: he skated, He skated past the pain real quick. After that,

973
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: he was like, I don't want to you know what

974
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: I mean. But to him and Mark's credit, like they

975
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: talked a lot candidly opening about that series, you know

976
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: what I mean? And Jesse, you know what I mean?

977
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: How much mentally that series took a tote on the minute.

978
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: I appreciated his transparency when he was like, I did

979
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: that conference. I was broken. I had the stupid ass

980
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: suit in the hotel. Man. I didn't want to be there.

981
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: But that's funny that you said I felt bad for him.

982
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: I felt terrible.

983
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 3: It was like, I mean, we felt we felt, you know,

984
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: he should have won it the year before. Obviously they

985
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 3: gave it to Steve. And a funny story about that

986
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: when we were playing UH in O six, we were

987
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: playing Phoenix in the playoffs, part of Avery's UH to

988
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: try to hype Dark up. I think this was right

989
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 3: before he had the fifty point game. I want to

990
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: say in game five UH, he referenced. I want to say,

991
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 3: was it eliji Wan who stole a trophy from David Robinson?

992
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: David Robinson stole from elajau Wan.

993
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: Hems in the playoffs? The dream cooked him and we

994
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: were at this point in time.

995
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: Obviously Dark and Steve are best friends, and it was

996
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: a point in time where I think there was like

997
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: a tussle for the ball and Steve kind of threw

998
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: Dirk to the floor a little bit and he showed

999
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: it on the film and he shut the film off.

1000
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: He was like, now now I need to know. I

1001
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: need to know.

1002
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 5: If this team needs you to go out there and

1003
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 5: throw Steve on the floor. Are you gonna do that?

1004
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: Like?

1005
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 5: No, oh shit, this is what this team needs.

1006
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: What I need you to do.

1007
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 5: Go get back. You should have been the NVP last year.

1008
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 5: That was your trophy. This team needs you to take

1009
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 5: that trophy back. We need you to go get that trophy.

1010
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: You know, Dirk Dirts was like he kind of embarrassed

1011
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: and kind of sitting man. That man came out the

1012
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: next game and dropped fifty. Given Tim Thomas all the

1013
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

1014
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: Like that that's his verse, his version of what he

1015
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: needed to get done exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

1016
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: Uh So before we get to your last season, which

1017
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: I want to talk about, did you have a favorite

1018
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: non Dallas stop in your career?

1019
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: Uh?

1020
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: No, I enjoyed I enjoyed my season in Atlanta. Mm

1021
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: hmm my season in Atlanta playing with Al Horford, Josh Smith,

1022
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: Lou Williams, Jeff t. It was a fun year. We're

1023
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: making the fun guys. Uh experience in Atlanta, just just

1024
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: living there for a season.

1025
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: It was.

1026
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

1027
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: I I enjoyed it. I no Drew Drew l L

1028
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: D L D cool cool an affair. Yeah, yeah, it was.

1029
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: It was.

1030
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 3: If it were up to me, I would have I

1031
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 3: would have re signed there after that season, but they

1032
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: ended up drafting Dennis Schroeder that summer.

1033
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, was it was?

1034
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: It was it Were you happy seeing the MAVs winning

1035
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: eleven or was there a part of.

1036
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: You that was like the story story about that he

1037
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: got a ring. I did not get a ring. I

1038
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: did not.

1039
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 3: So that year I changed agents. I went to Jeff Schwartz.

1040
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: That year my my sole focus and because I knew

1041
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 3: he could manipulate. He He is the reason why I

1042
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: was in New Jersey to begin with, because he represented

1043
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: j Kidd. A kid wanted to go to Dallas, you know,

1044
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 3: And that's what I happened. I'm like, oh, so he's

1045
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 3: the agent that can finago trades, right, So I leave.

1046
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: I leave CIA, I go to Excel, and my whole

1047
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: focus was to get back to Dallas. I wanted to

1048
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 3: get back to Dallas whole time, whole focus. It was

1049
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: all set up night before the trade deadline. I'm going

1050
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: back to Dallas for Kuran Butler and a first round.

1051
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: Pick in eleven and eleven.

1052
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: I go to sleep.

1053
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: Jeff was like, talk to Mark, looks like It's all good,

1054
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 3: go to bed, you wake up, You going home.

1055
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: I'm on vacation at the time.

1056
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: Coming back into it, I'm like, oh, I'm like, tell

1057
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: my family, I'll see you in Dallas in a couple

1058
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: of days, like all big. Fly back to Jersey. At night,

1059
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: go to practice. It's like, all right, I wake up.

1060
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 3: Jeff calls me. What a defeated I'm like, what's going on, Jeff?

1061
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: Something happened in the middle of the night. Nothing I

1062
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: could foresee. That's coming. Agent talk.

1063
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: You're not going You're not going to Dallas, You're going

1064
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: to Utah. Hey.

1065
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: Uh.

1066
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 3: They had discussions in the middle of the night to

1067
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 3: trade Darren Williams made him available and they bring him

1068
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 3: to to Jersey. And when I tell you, I hung

1069
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: up on Jeff so.

1070
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: Cool I was. I was so angry. I was so

1071
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 2: angry at that point in time. Was this in between

1072
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: the Jerry sloan it's either me or him times.

1073
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 5: It was so it was that Jerry had already left

1074
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 5: team at that time.

1075
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,959
Speaker 1: You need to get j You didn't even get the OJ.

1076
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: You need to get Jerry. Who you get Corbin.

1077
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 3: But that's not why you could you at least want

1078
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 3: to right, But then to watch them win a championship

1079
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: that year, knowing that I could have been on that team,

1080
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: is it?

1081
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: That's that was hard? That was hard.

1082
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you got to send your career off in

1083
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: Dallas and you sat at the like, you know, the

1084
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: fact that Luca played with Dirk is crazy, and you're

1085
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: on that team, and then they have they have Brunton

1086
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: coming in. You were on record saying right out of

1087
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 1: the gate, even at trading camp, that Luca was different,

1088
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: that you knew when he first came to practice. There

1089
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: were a lot of questions asked about him. Obviously, you know,

1090
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: he's slow, he's European. There really wasn't a huge track record.

1091
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: And I'll ask both of you of like a euro

1092
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: coming in and like killing right out the gate, like right,

1093
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, even Dirk had his trials and tribulations. Uh

1094
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: what do you remember from those training camp days of Luca?

1095
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: And then I want to talk about Brunson.

1096
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, they they lied to us.

1097
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 3: The comp was with Steve with Steve Nash right coming

1098
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: in right, like past first guy, right, like so we

1099
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: get there. It was like, oh, he's kind of like

1100
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 3: Steve Nash. So these companies playing pick up and it

1101
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 3: was like, we don't I don't see Steve Nash out here. Steve,

1102
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 3: I don't Steve Nash out here. It's like and we

1103
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 3: we could see it like and bits and pieces of it.

1104
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: You know.

1105
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 3: He had the footwork, he could shoot, but the just

1106
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 3: the confidence wasn't there. He's just had to figure out

1107
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 3: like how you know, I mean, the ball wasn't gonna

1108
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 3: be in his hands all the time. There was just

1109
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 3: discrepancy between how him and Dennis Smith Junior were gonna

1110
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 3: work because at that point, because that at that point Dennis,

1111
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: Dennis had the keys, so it was like and and

1112
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 3: you know, fighting for jockey and position. But once they

1113
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 3: decided to put the ball in his hands and let

1114
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 3: him run with it, you saw a different monster and

1115
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 3: what he potentially could could be. And at that point

1116
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 3: in time, like veterans never want to see this, right,

1117
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: it's like it outdates you. And when they say, you

1118
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: know what, we don't care what y'all doing, give him

1119
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: the ball. It didn't sit well with a lot of vets,

1120
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 3: but it was the best thing that Dallas could have

1121
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: ever done. And and like I said, a lot of

1122
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: guys at that point in time you know, Harrison Wesley

1123
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: Matthews where I kind of go to guys.

1124
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: But once they got to a point.

1125
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 3: Where like we see the future and the future is

1126
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: now and kind of just let him start to cook.

1127
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 3: That's that's when Luke and Magic really started to come

1128
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 3: to fruition. And it was a great decision. I got

1129
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: to say, from the coaching staff, you know, going going

1130
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 3: that route.

1131
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 2: Nah man, shout out y'all too as veterans. I know,

1132
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: the coaching staff makes a decision, but it takes y'all

1133
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 2: those veterans and the practices. When you start seeing that,

1134
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: they just don't start get on the ball, y'all. You

1135
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: know what I mean. WOOTI wooty woo. You know, there's

1136
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 2: a lot of games within the games the veterans could

1137
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 2: play to ensure that that shit doesn't go exactly how

1138
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: they wanted to go. If you know, you know, if

1139
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 2: you played in the association, you know, you know what

1140
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: I mean. These are people's jobs. But shout out to

1141
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: y'all as veterans and maybe the class act of an organization.

1142
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: It's like, nah, we checked in on him. He seems

1143
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: like he ready to go. Y'all, go ahead and go

1144
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: with the go ahead and go with the plans. So

1145
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: I think it's the front office, but a talking to

1146
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: you and other people that play for the MAVs. I

1147
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: think it's y'all too. Y'all got a unique locker room.

1148
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,959
Speaker 2: People that play for the MAVs, their coaches, their front

1149
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: office people. They're usually very professional. They're happily with the math.

1150
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: They don't leave. There's very few people I can think

1151
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: of the leftist, granted from the MAS organization, and I'm

1152
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: not a MAVs guy. Just from being playing and looking

1153
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: on the outside, I think, and I play for him

1154
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: in the summer league. When I've been around the locker room,

1155
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,959
Speaker 2: when I've been on the coaches, there's a professionalism. There's

1156
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: a culture. I hate using that word, but there's a

1157
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: culture there, you know what I mean to, where like

1158
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: they listened to the at the end of the day,

1159
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 2: they listen to the players. The players opinions and what

1160
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: they're seeing on the court are taken into account. It's

1161
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: not necessarily the nerves in the front office. It seems

1162
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: like it's a good hybrid situation going on for the

1163
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: Dallas Mathis organization. That's what I'll see it. From the

1164
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: outside looking.

1165
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 3: At and for sure, but you could you know, he

1166
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 3: started showing signs early on Lucas Lucas not your yeah.

1167
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1168
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 3: So it's like it's like, you know, the big shoddy

1169
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,959
Speaker 3: hitting Portland, you know, the tide A game. You start

1170
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 3: to see it's like, oh, okay, like this this needs

1171
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 3: to happen sooner than later, right, And and I get

1172
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 3: to the point where we weren't going to make the playoffs,

1173
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 3: they were like, it's your time, bro, And obviously from

1174
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 3: that point on he just kind of ran with it.

1175
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 3: And once you got that confidence, I mean, you just

1176
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 3: started to become like a monster.

1177
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: You probably have played with the three best European players ever,

1178
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: if you're gonna say, I think Giannis could be in

1179
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: that conversation. But you play with Jokic, you play with Dirk,

1180
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: and you play with Luca.

1181
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and all of them attack it very differently.

1182
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1183
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 3: Dirk's worth ethic was second to none. Wasn't the most

1184
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 3: athletic guy, but his mid range jump shot was like

1185
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 3: most people's layups automatic, automatic, and obviously added the three,

1186
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 3: but was kind of the first of his kind set

1187
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 3: in the table for you know, big shooting threes and

1188
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 3: kind of spacing the floor. Nobody really seeing a guy

1189
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 3: kind of like dirt, you know, Jokic stame kind of way. Now,

1190
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: I only spend a half a season there, and this

1191
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 3: was like right before he took like the he was good,

1192
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 3: but it was like right before he took that leak

1193
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: to like great. But you could just see, I mean

1194
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 3: a man jumped this high on the ground. But the

1195
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 3: way he controlled the game, the way he saw the

1196
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: game and instructing the offense as a seven foot center,

1197
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 3: and his touch and his ability to hit threes, and

1198
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 3: even playing with Jamal, you know, Jamal was was younger

1199
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 3: then and still kind of immature, but you saw the

1200
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 3: talent that he had and you knew that this, this

1201
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: two dynamic team was going to do great things. They

1202
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 3: just needed a few more seasons to mature and to

1203
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 3: watch that and just those twenty five games that I

1204
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: spent just barely missing the playoffs.

1205
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it was, it was.

1206
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 3: It was fun to watch and coming into watching Lucas

1207
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 3: as a young player, you know, they call him a prodigy.

1208
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 3: I mean, this kid has been a professional since like thirteen.

1209
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 3: You know, it's won all all the European awards. You

1210
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 3: can possibly think of and coming into the first European

1211
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 3: in my opinion, coming into it and dominating from from

1212
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 3: a level from day one, but pretty early on when

1213
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 3: we're talking about you know, all the NBA first team

1214
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 3: but the sixties, yeah his second year. Yeah, I mean

1215
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 3: that as a European player, that that's unheard of. And

1216
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 3: and you look at like all the teams that passed

1217
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: on him because of he was European and like, well,

1218
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 3: we don't know, like you think they're not kicking themselves right.

1219
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: Now, like they said Vladi Dvac did it because he

1220
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: didn't like his dad.

1221
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why Bloody is no longer there. Yeah,

1222
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: you feel me, that's why.

1223
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think you think Lucas ever gonna stop talking

1224
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: to the refs. I feel like Jokic kind of had

1225
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: that probably when you were there. He was still barking

1226
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: at the refs at everything.

1227
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a maturity thing. And I feel like,

1228
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 3: you know, in talking to everybody, like I think it's

1229
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 3: a full display right now. I thought coming into this

1230
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 3: season he was a lot better. Now he reverted a

1231
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 3: little bit. You can't expect him to be perfect, but

1232
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 3: I think looking back whenever this series is over. What

1233
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: can he learn from this and what I think that's

1234
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 3: gonna be one of those things that he'll look back

1235
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 3: to and say, Okay, I need to change this. You

1236
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 3: know they're talking about his defense. Yeah, I think that's

1237
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 3: something thing that he'll he'll look back and say, Okay,

1238
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 3: I need to do this a little bit differently. But

1239
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: sometimes it takes going through those failures to recognize that.

1240
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 3: And in fact, you know, rewind a couple of years

1241
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 3: ago with the Celtics and when they lost the gold

1242
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 3: and Ship. We weren't high on on the Jason Tatum

1243
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 3: and Jalen Brown duo.

1244
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: We can't go live. Every time he put it in

1245
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: his left hand, it's a turnover. We critiquing it deaf

1246
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: to your point, I always say this, I mean, video

1247
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: and all that is cool, but like your cellular structure

1248
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 2: needs to go through that. Like you know, there's only

1249
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 2: certain many times they can bring out the iPad or

1250
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: show you like like you have to go through it.

1251
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 2: You have to feel that person breathing against you. You

1252
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: have to realize, like there's the video and then there's

1253
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: realizing like this dude ain't tired, right, you know what

1254
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 2: I mean there's something else that happened. He came out

1255
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: of that time out. He looked. They looked dead going

1256
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: into that time out, but whatever happened in the huddle,

1257
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 2: they back alive. And you know, and you can't get

1258
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: that from the iPad or from the coach telling you

1259
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 2: this is gonna happen on the weekend side. Nah, bro,

1260
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I'm looking at this man.

1261
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: Something happened in that huddle and he different. So I

1262
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: always say, sometimes they got to get worse, They got

1263
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 2: to get real bad before it gets better, and you

1264
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: physically and mentally have to go through it.

1265
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so same thing with dir Dirk in two

1266
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: thousand and six. Fact, the three games in Miami, he

1267
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 3: didn't play well. I think he will own that, and

1268
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 3: you know part of it, like we needed him to.

1269
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: We didn't win the series.

1270
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 3: But you can't tell me when he didn't come back

1271
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 3: a different man in two thousand eleven. Oh different, right, Yeah,

1272
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 3: you know he was ready for the moment, and I

1273
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 3: think you don't get that in twenty eleven without going

1274
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 3: through two thousand and six.

1275
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: He said that, Yeah, yeah, he said that on record

1276
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: that twenty eleven doesn't happened last thing for me. Any Brunton.

1277
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: Did you know that Brunton is gonna be this good?

1278
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 2: You can speak fact to this.

1279
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 3: You can tell somebody's going to be good with how

1280
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 3: they approached the game. Coming as a rookie, rookies that

1281
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 3: listen and taking information and want to be better, you

1282
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 3: can tell that there he comes from. He comes from

1283
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 3: the NBA family.

1284
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: He's a winner.

1285
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 3: But like when he came in, you know, myself and

1286
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 3: JJ took him under our wing, and he every day

1287
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 3: asking us questions every day, wanted information every day we're

1288
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 3: working out. And I think I came there. He played

1289
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: early on because I was hurt. When I got back,

1290
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 3: he sort of took a back seat to me, uh

1291
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 3: and watched for a while. And I think as the

1292
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 3: season went on, they played me less and played him more.

1293
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 3: But you could just tell like he had a knowledge

1294
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 3: for the game and wanted to be better. We had

1295
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Speaker 3: other rookies that you know, came in thought they knew everything,

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Speaker 3: thought they you know, figured it out already. When you

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Speaker 3: got a guy that wants to get better and would

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Speaker 3: use the tools around him to do so, that's when

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Speaker 3: you know guys are going to figure it out. So

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Speaker 3: am I surprised that he's in the position. Absolutely not

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Speaker 3: like he's got you know, one knows the NBA been

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Speaker 3: around in all his life? Has dad that played in

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Speaker 3: the NBA? You know, had a great college experience, winning

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Speaker 3: two national championships, and now he's dominating on the level

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Speaker 3: in New York. You know, I wish he was still here.

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine what that team would look like.

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Speaker 3: But obviously no Kyrie if he is still here. But

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Speaker 3: you know, but for him, you know, dominating the way

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Speaker 3: and playing how he is in New York, I'm not

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Speaker 3: surprised at all.

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Speaker 2: That's cold.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well man, thank you so much. Uh, this was

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Speaker 1: this was amazing. Yeah, whenever we get a fifteen year

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Speaker 1: pro that played damn near a thousand games, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know sometimes you guys are you know, you're in

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Speaker 1: the rat race for so long that you can't even

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Speaker 1: really like reflect on it. But it's a lot a

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Speaker 1: lot of basketball. And I mean you were in the

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Speaker 1: NBA for like a fifth of its existence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah wow you put it year. Yeah yeah that's a

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Speaker 2: far yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Appreciate you. Jav Man.

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Speaker 2: I've always been a family yours because just because you

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Speaker 2: had your own individual style of play. You always seem

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Speaker 2: to be a professional from like I said, from the

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01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: outside looking at you weren't the problem. Like it's easy

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Speaker 2: to hate on guys in this league. He played in

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Speaker 2: this league. It's easy to hate on guys and be like, ah,

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Speaker 2: he is he that, But I've never known anybody to

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Speaker 2: hate on your game. Like you know, every time you

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Speaker 2: hear it, I was like, nah, he cold, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. So as like, I'm not a hater

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Speaker 2: in the league, I was playing along guys that you know,

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Speaker 2: I was fans of, or I'd be like, yo, he

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Speaker 2: gonna be nice or through rules. So it's a good

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Speaker 2: opportunity to catch up with you. Congratulations on your career,

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Speaker 2: and like, I hope you live with a couple of

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Speaker 2: those numbers and stats that Dylan gave you wanted to

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Speaker 2: pull you like yeah, I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna use that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know you'd like to be humble.

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Speaker 1: Hey Devin Harris eight hundred and seventy five games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what's up? All right?

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Speaker 1: Man? Thank you this for with Devin Harris. Appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time with you guys next week.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Guys dank pon