WEBVTT - Stephen A. Smith Unfiltered On Going Too Far, Being Authentic, His Next Move | KG Certified 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:01.560 Man. 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.160 Today, we got a special man. Man. They don't get 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.640 no bigger than today. Man. We got the the one 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.000 and only Stephen A. Smith today. Man. I look at 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.119 him as kind of the Michael Jordan of this ship. 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.080 You know what I'm saying. He is the pinnacle. He 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:16.959 is the top of the top. And uh yeah today 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:18.000 he's here certified. 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:27.720 So yash, let's skip this ship. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.760 We came in here today. Hey, look this certified. 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:31.960 Man. 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:33.880 You can't come here with the whole. You know what 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:38.800 I'm saying, How you doing? How you living good? 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:44.199 How you doing? Was saying what you do? He said, Oh, 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.200 you're gonna love and you interviewing him? I said, no, 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:47.680 he interviewing me. 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:50.319 Yeah, we're coming down here. 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:51.840 I'm gonna get grilled today. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.040 I saw you this morning. How you doing? Looking good 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:56.680 is my favorite color? 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:57.600 Man. I got to get ship. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.279 You know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, yo, I saw 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.680 that picture they put up. You weren't feeling that that 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.040 was what forty pounds? I heard you yesterday they gave you. 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.520 Oh yeah yesterday, said well, first of all, take that 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:09.840 yeah yeahah, And. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:10.440 I saw it here. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:14.080 Bro, I'm weighed I'm fifty six. Ye holy I lose 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.120 my weight and unless it get myself. Ah, you're trying 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:17.240 to make me look like I looked at you. 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:18.400 I can't heard it. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.759 Just Totle studio, Kevin Man, big homie. Yeah, you're doing man. Man, 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.280 it's all the joint, man, It's what we make it 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:25.120 happen at Mann. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:26.480 Yeah. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.840 This this, this was the studio stuff. I know you 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.000 used to that pots. You know what I'm saying, Welcome 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:32.560 to the hood. 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.240 This is nice. I'm saying, this is nice. I'm saying 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:39.160 exactly the hood. No, no, no, no. At the drive. 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.160 You got to get you out here a mountain. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:45.080 Lion, even on a mountain rain. This all the comference 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:45.800 room right here. 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:46.600 You know what I'm saying. 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.120 Been here for like maybe three years, found this, man, This. 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.240 Is like a down the rough man. 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:52.600 Far do you live from here? 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.680 I lived probably twenty minutes from here. Okay, Calabasas Malibu 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.920 is very close. I did not want to jump in 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.000 production and have to go to Beverly Hills every day. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.480 I'll have to go all the way over. But like myself, 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:07.920 it was just you know what I'm saying, and then 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.040 everything that the big ways of doing a downtown You 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:12.560 know what I'm saying. So I didn't want to do 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:14.600 none of that. So this is like a diamond of 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:15.760 Ralphie found it. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:16.120 It works. 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.400 Come check yourself. Look, this is a viewing role. This 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.919 is all styling for hair and all that makeup and stuff. 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.200 This if we've got premier. I did like a little 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.440 small premieres in here. It's cool, it ain't. You know 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.800 what I'm saying, How you got like another? When I 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:33.560 come to Jersey, one of the things I want to do, 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.800 I want to come check your joint. I know your joint. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:37.160 You got it all up and going. 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:43.079 Well, yes, but you know I'm looking for another crib 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.320 in Florida, so I might you know, I made about 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:47.200 two months from now, it. 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.720 Might be in Florida. Damn for good, for good, I 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.520 gotta have primary. I'm getting murdered in Texas, New York 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:54.000 and l A. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.799 Yeah, too much, it's too much. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.520 I was about to say, damn yeah, you wouln't like, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.160 oh ship, you have too high stack stakes. I was 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.120 just about to say, just a kitchen area. Yep, all 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.000 this right here. Then that's what we shoot at. White 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:10.799 screaming white. You you know what I'm saying, Come here, 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.520 So it's you know, it's big enough to get things done. 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.520 It's big enough. It don't have to be so posh. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.520 You know what I'm saying. You know, editing and everything. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.359 Said, if you go to if you go to Hollywood, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:25.519 it don't want nobody m and guess what they're doing. 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.800 They're subsidizing a bunch of the work to gods like us. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:29.240 That's right. 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.160 Watch your step. These are editing days up here. So 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.200 we have editing up here. I'm gonna throw a little 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.120 party from my little my daughter who turned sixteen today. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.600 All right, yeah, yeah, my daughter's turned to sixteen August 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:42.160 twenty seven. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.000 Oh, that's what something? No party? She said, that's a gift. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.480 She said, that's a gift. I want to call. And 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:48.240 I was like, I had. 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.320 To do that yesterday. I know that walking ahead okay, 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:51.520 rather than a certified brother. 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.760 Oh my goodness, this is us Okay, Oh I like this. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.520 This is special right here, somewhere, this is special right here. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:03:59.920 Do something. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:01.480 I gotta give it to you. I gotta give it 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.840 to you. I gotta give you something is nice. 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:08.040 This is nice, this is real nice. Welcome to certified. 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:12.040 We got Stephen a certified. You feel me? How you 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.080 know you're moving up right here? How you been man? 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:15.760 I'm good man. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:16.479 It's good to see you. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:16.680 Bro. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:17.560 It's good to see you. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.000 Man. You know it crazy busy these days. E. I 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.479 gotta work. Yeah, I got worse. Hell, I couldn't play. 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:23.200 I better not do So. 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:27.120 Were you killing it? Bro? 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:28.240 I bet not how to do something? 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:28.479 Bro? 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.920 So I do what I gotta do. That's how. That's 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:31.680 how I make it up. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.760 I want to give you your flowers, man, like Bro, 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.480 You're the Michael Jordan of this ship. Bro. 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:38.840 Thank you, Bro, and I. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.560 Love the I'm watching how you have dictated the culture 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.920 of journalists and analysts, and I'm watching how you set 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.719 the precedent, not just with your style, but with your articulation. 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.279 I think my first question is where does that come from? Like? 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:04.920 Where does where does who you've become actually come from? 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.880 You know, when I think about my work ethic, it 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.680 definitely come from moms. Mom was a hard worker. My 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.000 mom and dad were married for sixty years. They should 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.520 have been divorced for fifty. Oh wow, you know relationship 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.640 wasn't the greatest. You know, not gonna dog Cam. I 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.880 still love him, God rest his soul. But there was 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.039 a lot he didn't do. And the reason why I 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:30.680 don't hesitate to say that is because that's how I 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.240 give my mom mom for her flowers, you know, for 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.200 her to have to do all that she had to do, 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:42.480 just for us to survive. When you see something like that, 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:46.480 the last thing you can be is lazy us, because 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.359 had she been lazy, we wouldn't survived. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.119 How many sisters you got four? Four older sisters. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.000 I had an older brother he passed away to car 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.680 accident in nineteen ninety two, but I got my four 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:58.400 older sisters. 0:05:58.480 --> 0:05:59.960 Yeah, so I'm the youngest of six. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.560 I just about this. Wow, So you're basically only the 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.360 only guy that we grew up with a mom, my grandmother, 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.760 and I got a bunch of aunts in my family 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.880 and two sisters. That's right. I like to think that 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:18.520 where do you fall in in the line of the six? 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.600 Like I said, I'm the youngest of you're the youngest. 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.400 And the other thing is is that again, when I 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.120 talk about my work ethic, it came from moms. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:34.279 When I talk about my mouth, dad came from growing 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:35.279 up in the streets, and you. 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.080 Know, on the block every day. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.920 You're on the block every day. Got cast somebody saying something, 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:44.880 the whole nine. You got all of that going on. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.080 You got to know how to weave your way through 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.240 that terrain, get yourself out of trouble, even though you 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.200 weren't the one that found yourself in trouble. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:53.920 You got all of that shit going on. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.760 And so for me, I remember growing up, man, I 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.760 was surrounded by black musclms. 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.960 You're talking about about the whole. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:07.039 As Law community in Brooklyn, New York, the five percenters, 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.680 you know, the nation. I mean all of these cats, 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.200 and they let me know. They would sit up there 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:15.880 and they would listen to me, and you know, it 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.520 could be about basketball, it could be about life or whatever. 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:24.640 And when they listen to me talk, they said, promise 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:26.480 us you ain't coward. 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:28.440 You're gonna go out. 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.640 There and you're gonna be ready to be that rebel 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.200 with a cause on our behalf, even when we. 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:35.600 Don't like it. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.160 When you get ten eleven years ten eleven years old, 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:42.880 and it was like, you know, they were coming to 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.440 me and they were like, ask me questions. It could 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.560 be about anything. It was stuff that was going on 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.840 current events and on sports. It could be stuff that 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:52.920 was happening in the news cats getting themselves in trouble. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.240 It could be anything, Yo, Steve thata, what you got 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:55.520 to say? 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.520 Kobe to Steve rightever, so they would they would test 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.920 my metal. And if I hesitated, like what you hesitant for? 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:03.680 I'm stuttering? What you're studying for? 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.480 If I was passive, what you passive for? Speak? Because 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.040 that's your gift. You the person that they gonna find 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.440 you one day and you're gonna be speaking for us. 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.760 What you're gonna say, You're gonna punk out what you're 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.160 gonna do. And they would literally challenge me, even through 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.920 my teenage years, and that was always the case, and 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.360 so I always remember that because you had to speak 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.760 with courage and conviction, and you know, they sort of 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.080 felt it was my destiny to be in a position 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.880 where when I speak, I would be speaking to the masters. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.800 Didn't quite know how that was gonna happen or anything 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:37.840 like that, but they sort of knew it, and they 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.560 were telling me that, and they were like, you got 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:41.160 to be brave. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.079 You got to have courage. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.679 If you wrong, say you wrong, but if you right, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.720 don't move, and so stand on it. And so that's 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.560 the way I've always been, plain and simple wow. 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.840 And that's kind of the example of Queens. That's kind 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.679 of the example of New York. You walk through New York, 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.160 you got you know whatever, bro where you're in, you 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:02.120 get in the form. 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.200 Of that that's right, right, And you gotta also know 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:05.640 you gotta also know how to flow. 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:07.560 Can't flow the same way. You know, you're in the Bronx. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.160 Bronx different in Brooklyn, Brooklyn different than stat Nyland, Statnyland, 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.440 different from Midtown Manhattan stuff. And then you know what 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.319 I mean, certain parts of the Bronx is different to 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.040 a certain parts. You know, you go to bed Stockbrooklyn 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.559 and all this other stuff, it's different spots. Hollis Qui's a 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.680 little bit different. You know, go certain places in the 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.959 Hollis House is nice. Go five minutes away the cave 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:25.920 your Heights. That's where the honeies were used to see. 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.120 You go to Lawrelton. It was a couple of houndies there, 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:29.839 but in the same breath it was brothers dead. That 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.160 was mad that brothers from outside of Lawrelton was coming 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:32.480 there to. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:33.360 Get some of their honeies. 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.280 So they had attitude with you for that. You have 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.360 to know how to move. You had to know how 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.160 to flow, and if you didn't have that kind of knowledge, 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.120 it was gonna hurt you because you get caught up 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.120 in the wrong place at the wrong time. And one 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.040 of the things that it was, it was rare if 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.640 ever that I did. I was almost never in the 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.680 wrong place at the wrong time, because I always sensed 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:53.160 trouble around the corner. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.280 I could just sense it. I could feel I'll be like, nah, 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.080 we ain't doing that right away, that's right. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.200 And I wasn't a follower, you know, so you know, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.880 because you got peer pressures a big deal and all 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.480 of us could succumb to it. But that's when being 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.240 around a bunch of black Muslims helped me, because what 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.760 happened is is that you know what you ain't trying 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.040 to follow per se, You got your own mind. You 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.240 could flow with somebody if you believed, if you thought 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.800 what they were doing was right, what their suggestions were 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.640 were right. But if you knew they were wrong, but 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.640 you would follow, just to be following what. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.760 Kind of man on you? And that's and they would 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:26.960 challenge you on that. 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.360 That's a real masculine energy too. Exactly how did you 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.640 end up down south? I know you went to HBCUs. 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.199 Mister Silms State University basketball scholarship contred. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.480 Contrad to probably believe I could bowl a little bit, 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.520 but you know I cracked my kneecapp in half, so 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.720 I never really had a career once I got there. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.280 But your man boris to. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:49.680 Real battle shot to TV. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.240 You know that that's my man working for the Minnesota 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.079 Timber was there when you were there, and he and 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:59.000 I were classmates and roommates in college. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.360 You know, that's one of my best friends on the planet. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.319 So you know, we went to school together and had 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.320 a good time as the best four years of my life. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.120 I would it would have been better if I could play, 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.240 I could tell you that much. But I had an 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.800 absolute blast, and I would honestly say that. You know, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.480 it did a lot for my life, because I don't 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.240 know where my life would have been if had I 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.760 not gone to an HBCU and had not gone away 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.000 from home, had I been stuck staying in New York City, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.240 I don't think that I ever would have been able 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.800 to position myself to accomplish what I would acomplish because 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.679 I would have been too distracted by the streets, right. 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.079 You know, it's crazy that you say about the HBCU. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.200 I watch a lot of the stuff that they're trying 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.320 to do. I see the effort, I see a song 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.560 some of the major networks. You got to have a 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.880 product out there that people want to see. YEP. Ask 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:48.960 you this question. If Allan Noveson goes to Hampton, does 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:54.720 he have the same trajectory of history and the same effect. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:55.720 I don't think so. 0:11:55.840 --> 0:12:00.400 If John Morant goes to let's say Nolin and t 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.720 Let's say he go to South Carolina State, right shot 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:07.880 board dogs, right right, does it change the trajectory of 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:09.240 anything in their past. 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.839 I think so. I think so. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:16.320 In this regard, I think that when Alan Obison went 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.200 to Georgetown, O was there in the Big East playing 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:20.559 for John Thompson. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.360 High profile, et cetera, et cetera. 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.680 So as material and sensational as he was, the fact 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.760 that he was performing on that stage in the aftermath 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:35.120 of the adversity that he experienced said a lot about him. 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:39.400 If he had gone to an HBCU, HBCUs were not 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.760 getting the level of notoriety that it gets today, and 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.840 even today it ain't enough. And so because of that, 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.480 even though he would have been a star talent. I 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.640 think he would have been better off from the standpoint 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.199 of being surrounded by people who look like him, shared 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:58.080 this cultural identity, et cetera, et cetera, his ethnicity of course, 0:12:58.160 --> 0:12:59.480 all of that stuff, and as. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.800 A result, support base would have been strong. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.240 But he still would have been in that cocoon, and 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.320 the folks that had the power to make him into 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.200 who he ultimately became, I'm not sure they would have 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.319 went there to get him, you see what I'm saying, 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:17.240 whereas in Georgetown they came to get them. Now, the 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:22.079 flip side to it is that that support that he 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:27.080 was lacking, had he had the right support early on, 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.240 there's a lot of mistakes he wouldn't have made once 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.160 he came once he became pro because one of the 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:37.160 things that happens to you and you associate yourself with 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.079 an HBCU, or you associate yourself. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:40.920 With your own community. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.240 If you got any kind of soul, you feel an 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.760 obligation to be there for. 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.640 The community just as much as yourself. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.359 And how could I prove this to you to anybody 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.520 that didn't go to an HBCU but was stars and 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.560 the pros or what have you think about? What you 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:06.920 have done for your boys. The HBCUs is your boys. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.880 Think about what you've done for your girls, whether it's 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:13.959 your daughter's, your sisters, your mom, or anybody else that's HBCUs. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:18.280 Those females, it's a family. And when you have that 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.840 kind of connection to them, this is. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.480 What they do for you at HBCUs. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.239 That they ain't gonna do for your predominantly white institutions. 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.880 You know what you're here for, right, don't let us down. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.240 You know you representing us right. Make sure you're doing this, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:33.800 Make sure you're doing this, make sure you're doing that, 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:38.760 and they're staying on you like extended family. And because 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.240 of that, if you have that kind of love and 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.520 that kind of connection, you don't want to let them down. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.720 I tell you professors right now, Marilyn Roseboro, Larry Little, 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.800 doctor Brookshaw, a doctor Sadler. I mean, I've got professors 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.120 that I haven't seen. I meant I mentioned one of 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.440 them that I talk to often. A few of them 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.080 I've seen once or twice in th the years. I 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:02.960 know their names like the back of my hand, because 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:04.920 I wouldn't be where I am if they didn't do 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.000 what they did for me and so when they get 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.160 that kind of love and that kind of support and 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.680 you know that it's coming from love, they could hold 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.600 you accountable in ways that other people can't because they 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.640 can touch your conscience, they don't have to do anything else. 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.600 And so every time you go out there, you're like, yeah, 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.920 I want to do this, but that that that that 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.560 wouldn't look right, that wouldn't be right, that wouldn't feel right. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.440 And you think about that, and if it gives you 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.600 cause to pause, more often than not, you're gonna make 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:31.480 the right decisions. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.440 What are some of your journalists influences? Who people that 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.080 you respect, Who people that you looked at in the 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.520 path of where you've gone, you know, kind of not 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:44.040 saying you nothing's ever copy, but we definitely admire, you know, 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.360 we pick off and use it and incorporated to ourselves. 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.160 To what have been some of your examples great journalists. 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.720 Is ample idolized Howard Cosell growing up, that was that 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.240 was definitely that God because his distinct voice and his 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.400 willingness to stand up for Muhammad Ali when everybody when 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.680 he transitions cash just played the Muhammad Ali and being 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.560 a white individual of Jewish descent, if I remember correctly 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.680 that was willing to stand up at that particular moment 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.760 in time on behalf of Muhammad Ali was a black Muslim. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.440 I had a lot of respect for him. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.240 Brian Gumbel is one of the greatest journalists who have 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.560 ever lived. And for him to be a black man 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.080 and to be in the world of sports and the 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:23.160 transition and the television and news or whatever, the Today Show, 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:27.360 the NFL Show, ultimately HBO, Real Sports with HBO, all 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.360 the stuff that he did, he's absolutely phenomenal and he's 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.680 an iconic figure. The late great Ed Bradley for sixty minutes, 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.280 he was something specially with my man, my brother Stuart 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:40.040 Scott got rested soul on ESPN along with John Saunders. 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:41.560 I mean, guys like that. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.080 And then you got a living legend who I consider 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:48.920 to be a living legend is Michael Wilbon because people 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.520 forget he was writing for the Washington Post before he 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.520 became He got the part of the interruption. 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:55.720 Here's what people miss. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:00.240 Do you know that in two thousand and three when 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.320 the Philadelphia Enquirer, when I met you, actually I met 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.760 you a couple of years later in two thousand and 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.480 three when the Phillips. 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:08.760 Actually, I'm sorry, it was before that. 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.159 Nineties. I apologized. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.760 But when they named me a general sports columnist in 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.400 two thousand and three, I was the twenty first African 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.800 American in this nation's history to be named the general 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.199 sports colorists. The reason I bring that up is that, remember, 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.400 when you're a columnist, you have the license to give 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.879 your opinion editorialize. See, we don't we take that for 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.560 granted today because of Twitter and Instagram. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.399 And TikTok and everybody language. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.240 Yo, bro, we didn't have it American, we didn't have 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.120 the world. We didn't have that license. You couldn't give 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.440 your opinion unless you were a columnist. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:46.439 Will Bom was one of the first. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.560 And so when he was at the Washington Post given 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:53.520 his opinion, imagine how inspiring that was for all of 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.199 us to witness what he was doing, how brilliant of 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.239 a writing he was, how opinionated he was, how wrong 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.440 he was with his voice and his convictions, and how 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.680 people had to gravitate towards him because that wasn't a 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.680 voice you wanted against you, you know, because you knew 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.480 what level of respect he garnered. Those things really really 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:17.240 mattered to people. Like myself and others, and so we're 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.000 not to be on NBA countdown in this day and 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.879 age for ABC and ESPN, be working alongside that brother 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.120 who's been a friend of mine and a big brother 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.639 to me for the better part of the last thirty years. 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:30.080 Can't say enoughing. 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.600 Could have been a data we see almost like a 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.280 training camp for young journalists to come in and learn 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:39.359 from the best. Is that even possible, Yes, it's very possible. 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.200 All they got to do is called me, right, I'll 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.199 be there, should be, you know, and ain't no problem. 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.280 Somebody wanted you know, somebody want to make that happen. 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:45.920 I'll make that happen. 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:50.080 My biggest problem with today without youth and the older 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.480 people the bridge. Yeah, the older people don't want to 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.440 you know, hey, I don't want to spend and then 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:57.680 the young people don't have enough time. 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.000 Right, I would tell you the older folks, I think 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.000 they think a little different lead than you realize. 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:02.520 I think so. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.960 I think the older folks don't believe that the younger 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:05.800 folks want to listen. 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.280 The young the young hairs I talk to come off 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.760 right almost like they expect the young boy to listen. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.240 And these young young people just into like multiple things 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.200 to where if you're not talking about what they talking about, 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:17.840 they own to the next. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.240 That's right, That's what I'm talking about. It's not about 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:20.920 it's not that. 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.440 Older folks believe that you young, so you're gonna be 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.960 disrespectful to the elders. It's that the world has changed. 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.480 And so as a result, like I say, for example, if. 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.960 You're doing newspapers and you've been successful all of this time, 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.720 right sixty years, right, times have changed. 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:41.000 Linear television is fading's streaming platforms have elevated and proliferated. 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.600 You got all of this going on, and cats see money. 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.480 All of a sudden, you can get a YouTube channel, 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.399 and if you're doing something, a little something with it, 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.880 you can make in a month what some people made 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.760 as an annual salary. And so when they see that, 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.520 they following the money and they really not trying to 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.560 listen to some old head talk to them about what 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.000 they should doing, how they should do it, because the 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.400 mentality is as times have changed. 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:06.640 The problem is not you think. 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.360 In that way, because any of us would think that way. 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:09.880 It's the way you convey it. 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.439 If you convey it in a fashion that comes across 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.920 as dismissive and disrespectful. How's the older folk gonna take 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.720 that because we respected our elders. 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:20.199 No doubt you under saying that. 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.200 Man, I like what you said or whatever, but damn 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.440 if it made sense, it made sense. But more importantly, 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.800 we ain't looking at you as telling us something because 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.640 you're trying to belittle us. We looking at you telling 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:30.880 us something because you're trying to educate us. Because as 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.200 an old person and an older person, you recognize the 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.919 fact that you're your best days are behind you. You 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.720 understand and you faded into that twilight and you get 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.640 to a point where there's no success without a successor. 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.400 So you're looking for people to espouse that knowledge, to 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.200 extend it so it can be carried on, and that's 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.560 something that's should be admired. Unfortunately, we don't see a 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:55.160 lot of young cats admiring it. They're resistant to it 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.359 and they resent it, and that's the problem. 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.240 I don't think young I don't think young people know 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.480 how to initiate. Though we're older, we've been through multiple 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:04.560 times where you have to initiate, you have to be aggressible. 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:06.800 I think young people know how to initiate, I say this, 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.240 what is your what's your view on the young generation? 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:11.960 First of all, I'm very proud of them, believe it 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:20.520 or not, ballsy, courage be on yourself, innovative, courageous. And 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.840 I said of courageous already all of that stuff is applicable, 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:25.879 absolutely true. 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.640 I just need them to be tougher mentally. Mhm. 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:34.919 Somebody giving you constructive criticism does not equal condemnation. It 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.719 means in the moment, this is what you did in 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:41.080 the moment, this didn't work, Suck it up, deal with it. 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.639 And you see a lot of these young cats, particularly 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:48.119 professional athletes, that don't absorb to all of that, and 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.080 they're not telling the truth always as to why they 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.280 feel that way. The real truth is you've learned to 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:58.000 monetize everything, so anything that gets attached to your name 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:02.720 you view as potentially compromising you brand, and that's problematic 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:04.959 for you. And you're looking at it that way, and 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.840 I'm like, tell the truth, that's what you're thinking, because 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.200 guess what, I don't want to hear about you bitching 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.240 about how y'all it might compromise my brand. 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:12.520 Today. 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.280 You played on Thursday, you play like shit, But Saturday 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.280 and Saturday you might drive fifty what you worried about 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.080 it for, you got another game to go out there, 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:21.960 You got another day to go out there. 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:22.359 Just like that. 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.159 As long as the person is willing to keep the 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:28.240 same energy in praising you as they were in condemning 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:29.520 what you may have done. 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:31.720 That particular day, you should be good. 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.840 And unfortunately you got a lot of casts that can't 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.760 take that. They really really can't. And that's where you 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:40.320 see the divide existing. And it's not just with the 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.720 young and the old. It's with professional journalists compared to 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.400 professional athletes. It's with pundits and commentators compared to other 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:49.680 casts that are doing what they're doing even though once 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:51.359 they finished they trying to come and do that. 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:53.000 You look at Lebron James for example. 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.639 Lebron Ja's got over one hundred million subscribers with social media. 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.520 Damn, what do you need to do a podcast? 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:01.959 But you're still doing one? Eat you still doing one 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.080 at you because you want a voice. You got the 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:06.359 shop wow, because you want a voice. You see what 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:08.240 I'm saying, so you can have all the followers in 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:11.320 the world. But ultimately what you're saying is you want 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.080 to be heard. You just want to be heard the 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.320 way you want to be hurt. And what you're thinking 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.080 about is what you want to disseminate and convey as 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:20.600 opposed to how shit is being received. 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:22.000 And I'm the person. 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:24.399 I'm one of those dudes that I pay attention to 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.640 both what's being put out there but also how it's 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:28.360 being received. 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.720 It's almost like a balance. Yeah, I got a great story, 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:36.520 Yeah that I was in there. I was in Chicago, 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:40.640 and rest in peace to my dog block Big Mike. Right, 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:42.560 he lived in this project called the Village and this 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:44.640 one way in the village and it's one way out 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:47.480 the village. I'm from a lower neighborhood, so they already know. 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:49.639 But it's cool. They let us come in here. You 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.160 got to get permission to come in. And who I'm 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.120 saying this to speed up to say that situation went 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:57.080 on when my homeboys fouled one of the guys up 0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:59.080 in here. A thousand guys run down here. If you 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:01.960 know the village is you know what I'm saying, Yeah, bro, 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.000 I have to finesse my way to be able to 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:06.159 get us out of there. The respects of what I 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:08.800 have from everybody out here it sounds like when it 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.959 comes to the industry, especially with players that don't want 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:15.000 to really lock in accountability, don't want to don't want 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:19.159 none of none of accountability. And where you have layers 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:21.960 to the truth and your brain is how you make 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:25.520 your money. How how how I don't want to say, 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:27.879 I don't want to come off like I'm assuming, But 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:33.320 how careful are you with that balance of exposing talking 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:35.800 about what you know or what you have, and then 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.680 knowing that that relationship and that network is very sensitive 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:40.240 off that information that you have. 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:44.000 Oh it's easy for me, bro I'm from the streets cold. 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:48.000 Your personal life's your business. Don't break no laws, don't 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:51.119 get no police bloggers, don't have everybody talking about something 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:52.679 to the point where I got to talk about it 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.200 too because the public consumptions. 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.919 But that's your business outside of that. 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:03.000 Now, what you do in a public platform, it's my business, 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:04.800 it's everybody's business. 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:06.920 But what you do privately is your business. 0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:09.639 And so you know, one of the things that anybody 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:11.679 that knows me in all my years that I've been 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.119 in this business, in any of my boys and my family, 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.440 anybody that know me know that ain't know how I roll. 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:25.840 Your personal story is yours to tell your game? Is 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:26.640 that my discretion? 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:27.679 That's everybody. 0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.720 I'm watching the game. I see what I see, and 0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:34.400 that's that. Now, there's been plenty of times that I've 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:40.639 seen and heard what affected your game. I don't go 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.400 out and say nothing. I might say something like, you know, 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:45.040 you just didn't seem like yourself. 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:47.360 Ok, you just seem like yourself. 0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:50.000 It's my way of letting the player know, like, look, look, 0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:54.280 I know, I know, I know, I know what you 0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:56.000 You missed something last already. 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.400 You have some shit going on last night. 0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:02.320 I got you no problem fix it because you blowing 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:03.160 it right. 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.120 But I ain't gonna tell what I'm not doing that. 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:08.760 I mean, there's certain things that you got to be 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.480 able to sleep at night. And I don't care whether 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:13.840 it's Chicago, it's New York, it's LA. I don't give 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:15.879 a damn what it is. When when I say the streets, 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:19.360 I'm talking about the streets. You know what the code is. 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:23.040 There's certain shit you don't do. You just don't do it. 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:28.040 You know, I've often used this example. You know, I 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:33.600 was around Jay Z on several occage before he got 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:39.400 married to Beyonce. I was around that beautiful woman, Beyonce, 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:43.119 this phenomenal artist who was absolutely dropped there, gorgeous in 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.439 a whole biting superstarsy or whatever. 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:48.000 I never once asked. 0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:52.040 Them a single question about each other, not one time. 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:53.760 If you want to tell me. 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:57.439 That's inappropriate, though, right, we don't know that. 0:26:58.400 --> 0:26:59.119 Were you asking for. 0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:02.679 But I'm saying so, I'm using an extreme example like 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:04.680 that to point out how you. 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:07.679 Just know and catch you don't know. 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:09.320 You don't need to be around them because they just 0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.679 ignorant and they don't know. The worst ones, however, are 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:16.560 those who don't care, and they'll do it anyway. It's like, 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:19.639 what are you doing? It's none of your business. If 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.320 there's something for you to know, they'll let you know. 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.280 Now you're talking about music, Yeah, man, I got questions, 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.479 you know what I'm saying about. I don't got questions. 0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:31.360 You know cont I got questions to a basketball player. 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.760 You got tickets. Let's not forget the tickets. Damn it. 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:34.400 I need a pass. 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:36.480 Damn I don't feel like we don't have me going 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.440 no damn ticket mass put me on the VRP list. 0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:40.760 Oh yeah, that we could do. 0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.280 But not asking you shit, it's none of you, It's 0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:45.359 none of my business, you know. 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:49.800 And it's like it's just a way of letting people know. 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.800 You know what code is, you know what the line is. 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:57.320 You know this just certain things you ain't doing. And 0:27:57.359 --> 0:27:59.720 that's why I could be the way that I am. 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.760 When when I'm talking about certain things with players or 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.119 were getting in beefs and we arguing or whatever, you 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.320 see me get pissed and people will talk about, well, you. 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.640 Know, you know this cat, that cat don't like you said? 0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.280 What fuck told you? I liked that, you see what 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:12.680 I'm saying? 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:16.080 Because they being weak about it, It's like, oh, so 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:20.000 you had a bad month. I point out how you 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.080 had a bad month. So now what you want to 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.400 do is go behind my back and talk about me 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:28.560 like I did something to violate you. When I was 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:32.000 talking about your game. You're given this impression about I 0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:35.000 must be this kind of person because I talked about 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:35.360 your game. 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.520 Once you tell them the truth, Once you tell them the truth, 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:37.960 why don't. 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:38.440 You tell you mad? 0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:41.600 You know what I'm saying, because your ass played like 0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:43.000 garbage last month. 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:45.360 I pointed the shit out. I ain't say why you 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.160 were playing bad. I know why, but I never told why. 0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.280 You didn't tell that, didn't you? You see what I'm saying. 0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:53.480 All of these kind of things you see cats and 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:54.800 they don't. 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:56.440 They're not honest. 0:28:56.120 --> 0:29:00.680 About it, which is why my favorite line line. I 0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:03.920 always used this, and I've said it in front of everybody. 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.080 I've said it in practice, any interview where they asked 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.000 me a question about it. I said, we want to 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:15.160 have a conversation about my professionalism, my borrows, my integrity. 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.920 What I've done two or four or get. 0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:21.480 Somebody name the time and place, and I'll show up 0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.440 and bring an audience because I want receipts. He said, 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.760 I want people to see how your ass is lying. 0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:30.080 I want people to see how you full of want them. 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:32.400 I want them to see it. You understand, I said, 0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:34.200 I said, And I remember I said this. I was 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:36.520 doing somebody was interviewing me a couple of weeks ago. 0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.800 I said, I've said. 0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:43.400 That statement on many occasions. Have you noticed that some 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:47.480 of the dudes that chirped the most have never invited me. 0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:52.000 Where they got podcasts? They got shows. I ain't got 0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:53.320 an your names, they. 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.840 Got podcasts, they got shows. See k KG got me here. 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:57.640 I'm saying, KG got me. 0:29:57.760 --> 0:29:58.440 They invite me. 0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:00.600 Why you you know what I'm saying. 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:05.360 You know why, because KG and I understand. You don't 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.640 want them to understand. You want people to believe your 0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:11.760 bullshit because you want to be weak enough to hide 0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:13.560 behind stuff and talk smack. 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:14.920 I'm right here. 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:18.760 I'm on I got the number one morning show on television. 0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.040 I'm on live ten hours a week. After the ten 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.360 hours a week, I got my Steven A. Smith Show 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.400 podcast where I built my own studio. I'm doing interviews 0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.160 all over the place. They got me talking positive. Oh damn, 0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:32.520 you know he going off for the Damns right now. 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:35.080 He's going off on the Republicans right now, and both 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:38.320 sides call it. I'm like winning where I'll be there. 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:43.000 I visit, but I'll make time today. You got time tomorrow. Fun, 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:47.680 let's go, Dear, I said it. How y'all gonna deny it? 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.320 Is it not true? All right? 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:51.960 And I say stuff like that, and I do that 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:56.120 because I want people to know I'm not crossing lines. 0:30:56.640 --> 0:31:00.480 But I'm serious about being mean, and I ain't never 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:04.480 betray who I am and what I stand for, no 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.160 matter what people try to portray. And that's what I 0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:07.560 live on. 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:10.760 Have you ever said something that you thought you put 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:12.560 too much on it or you went too hard? 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:16.280 I did, I did, me and Big Dog Glenn Robinson 0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:21.160 Definitely I went too far. When Randiers got fired, I 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:25.080 felt he was responsible for that. Randiers is a black man, 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:28.760 was an assistant under Lady Brown, former coach of Ohio State, 0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:31.680 and I really, really really had a problem because I 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:37.280 thought that his behavior with Randy Airs was inconsistent with 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.400 what it was with George call or what it would 0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:42.640 have been with Lavy Brown or one of the white coaches. 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:46.800 Really pissed me off. And when we got into it, 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:51.200 it got so hostile, spanning months, if not years, that 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:53.560 it got to a point where people would look at 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.680 us and I had people like walk right in between 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:57.520 us because they thought something's gonna happen to Obviously, I 0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:59.880 can't beat his ass, but I'm just saying to you, 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:01.080 I wasn't running. 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:05.200 I felt like that. And then Randier's got to me 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:05.680 let it go. 0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:08.560 Mo Cheeks, gott to me, let it go, you know, 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:12.120 AI and all let it go, Let it go. And 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:17.800 then when I really realized that I'm the professional, I'm 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:21.160 the journalist. It's my job not to be acting like that. 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.440 It really hit home when I saw his son. His 0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:27.920 son was playing in the league and we were in 0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:32.360 Houston and he was walking out and he was like hesitant, 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:35.840 not not rude or anything like that, almost like scared 0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:37.400 to come. 0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:40.200 Across me because of what he thought I would say 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:41.600 to him or do or whatever. 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.160 And I was like, oh my god, this is terrible. 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:47.800 And that day I walked up to his son and 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.360 I was like, whatever happened with me and your dad, 0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.960 I was wrong. I don't ever want you to think 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:57.240 that anything that you do, that whatever beef I have 0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:01.000 with him would affect Now I cover you. 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.000 I said, I'm so sorry about that. 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.360 And I said when I said, when I see your dad, 0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:07.280 I never saw him again, but if I saw a 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:10.200 big dog, ID apologize to him because it's my job 0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:12.760 to be It was I'm the professional, I'm the journalist. 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:15.360 It was my job to be above all of that. 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:16.400 And I wasn't. 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:20.440 And I knew that that was that was a big deal, 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:24.360 and that really resonated with me. And then I still 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:29.080 have regrets about, you know, my sound on Kwame Brown 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:33.960 from years ago. You know, because there was no Twitter, 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:38.240 there was no social media. I didn't know fifteen, sixteen, 0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.560 seventeen years later, they still be playing this stuff, and 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:45.239 I'm like, damn, you know, my bad. But you know, 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:47.520 I mean, I had to clap back at him a 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.040 couple of times because he's getting too ridiculous, you know. 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:53.680 But in the same breath, I understand where he's coming from, 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:57.520 because you know, that shit stinks when you see somebody 0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:00.560 talking about you like that. And so then then I 0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:03.760 had to reflect that. Remember years ago, you know, I'm 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:06.920 in Minnesota and my man Big Tickets rolling by in 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.080 the hallways, say Stephen. They come in and he's talking 0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:11.279 to me about how I'm talking about Ola with. 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:15.040 Candy at the time. You know, Michael, Yeah, I did. 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:17.720 I did. I did, And you were like trying. 0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:19.800 You were like chill, you know, you told me and 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:21.960 you told me to chill, and I was like, and 0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:24.279 all I could think about, Like you and I never 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:26.719 really talked much over the years. We were always cool 0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:27.239 with each other. 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.160 We had mutual friends saying, Mitchell boris my boy. The 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.160 whole bit. Mad love and respect to you. 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.920 But what I loved about you most you forced me 0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:40.360 to live up to what I proclaim about myself. I 0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.840 always tell people, look, bro, just talk talk to me. 0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.399 If I'm wrong, just tell me I'm wrong and tell 0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.400 me why. You know, if I don't believe it, I'm 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.879 gonna tell you conversation. If I do believe it, I'm 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:57.160 gonna I'm gonna change. I'm gonna change that. And I 0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:00.280 was like, this brother is a superstar in this league 0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:03.799 and stopped and said, Stephen, they let me holler at you, 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.040 let me holler at you. And all I ever said 0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:10.719 to myself is when KG see me, I want him 0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:14.080 to know I'm somebody that listened because you told me that. 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.920 And I dolled it back big time on all the 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:18.719 way kid. After that, I dolled it back. 0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:23.160 I appreciate, appreciate that, you know, but I'm just saying, 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:25.120 you didn't have to talk to me. 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:27.520 You didn't have to talk to me. You know. It's like, 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:28.279 but you did. 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:31.279 And it's like you look at these cats like to me, 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:35.120 the Kobe's God rest his soul, Kobe, pick up the phone, Kobe. 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:37.600 Fuck you just said. I know you just say that. 0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:42.200 Like love, you know, but I was but I loved 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.640 it because it was like, yeah, you talk. 0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:46.720 I'm gonna listen. 0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:50.600 But don't try to intimidate me, don't try to bully me, 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:54.120 don't don't, please, don't do that, because then the other 0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:56.359 dude gonna come out and I'm not gonna back up. 0:35:56.840 --> 0:36:00.440 But if you talk to me, I'm gonna listen. And 0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:02.600 that's what I try to pride myself and do. 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:08.960 Have you ever made a Have you ever made a 0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:13.160 point to something and felt like it didn't get It 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.600 was a great point and it didn't get like the 0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:18.560 you that you wanted to. You ever made a great 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.759 point and it didn't It didn't hit like it hit. 0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:23.520 But it's hard for me to remember that, but I'm 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.279 sure I have because I talk a lot because of 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:28.400 what I do for a living. And so you know, 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:31.080 as far as I'm concerned, that happens every day. You know, 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:35.160 I'm doing fifteen segments per day to ask business over 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:39.040 you know, it's fifteen segments per two hour show, and 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:41.319 so and it went from twelve to fifteen, and so 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.880 you got twelve to fifteen different perspectives on different things. 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.399 And certainly there are times each and every single day 0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:50.360 where there's a level of emphasis that you could have 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.480 put on something, you might have missed it. But I 0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:59.480 never fret over it, because I want the number one 0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.759 thing for me with an audience is that, yes, I'm 0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:05.640 trustworthy and what have you, but I'm authentically me facts 0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:10.960 and so if I missed it, it's because authentically in 0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:14.200 that moment, I didn't feel like doing that. Like what 0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:17.120 I show you is who I am, fact, what I 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.239 show you is how I feel. And when I say 0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:22.840 I'm trustworthy, that doesn't mean I'm right all the time. 0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:24.920 What it means is I thought I was right when 0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:27.960 I said it. I didn't knowingly say something wrong. 0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:31.920 I didn't lie. I wasn't deceitful. I actually thought. 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.680 But then somebody might text me, give me a little 0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:36.600 bit of intel, say stephen A, you might have missed 0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:37.480 this here, you might missed it. 0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:38.640 I come right back on it. 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.919 Somebody just let me know I missed this boom here 0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:42.359 I am. 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.160 But I always let the audience know. 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:49.000 Yo, I'm authentic, I am who you, I am who 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:52.000 I portrayed myself to be, and I don't lie about it. 0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.680 You have built first take to be arguably the number 0:37:55.719 --> 0:38:00.840 one show in the universe. They'll set the precedent A 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:06.319 to Z. I follow you. You know, you know my 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.800 greatest gift was that I had I read Scotter reports, 0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:13.800 I watched film. When I listened to you, you're rare prepared. 0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:17.719 Probably you're You're so prepared that you can actually take 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:20.239 a topic and actually make it the precedent for the 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:23.319 next two weeks. I study your stylus when I'm saying, 0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:26.840 you know what I'm saying, abow to you appreciate you 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.000 know what I'm saying on some real Jedi ship, because 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.200 I see you're formally and how you make this work. 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.080 You know what I'm saying. I seen you built first 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:36.440 take into what it is. I never would have thought 0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.799 Debate TV would actually be prime time to where in 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:42.479 the morning, y'all are prime time in the morning. People 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.839 people think prime time is that that three to six. 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:49.600 It's not actually at. 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:50.560 You know what I'm saying. I say this to say 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:53.439 in a in a in a poking way, prime time 0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:56.440 because the morning, if you can, if you can, if 0:38:56.480 --> 0:39:00.279 you can encapsulate an audience in the morning, it's says 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.760 a lot. I'll say that to say that I followed 0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:07.520 from what you're doing with iHeart congratulations. You tell me 0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.200 to set up in what you're doing with I heart 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:12.560 and then I got to ask the follow up after 0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:15.680 that to what's the precedent for that first first of all, 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.239 and if I'm going in the right direction of what 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:18.040 I'm louding. 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:19.520 Cool, it's cool right. 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.400 First take is a very big deal because I'm the 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:25.680 executive producer first take two, and they gave you that 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:27.920 title three years ago. 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.719 They said it's yours. Should show show us what you got? 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:32.799 Should you built that? 0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.200 Yeah, but it was in the aftermath of Max Kellerman 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:36.759 being gone, and I knew. 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.320 That it was like my asses on the line. 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.240 I got to show what what what what my creative 0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:45.799 juices are, and what I'm made of and what I 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:46.879 think this show can be. 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:50.239 But be honest that that had ran its course. 0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.200 Though be dead. But that's what I said. 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.120 I mean, it was like and it needed it. Y'all 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:55.080 need a new blood. Bro. 0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:59.320 He's a good brother, heart's in the right place, work hard, 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:01.560 and I'm not telling you he can't do great TV. 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:03.959 Ain't that I'm not judging him. All I was saying 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:08.120 was that us, he and I it ran its costs. 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.480 And I could tell because I'm out, I'm out in 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:14.200 the streets, I'm going to the games. I'm inside the lock, 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.839 people talking to him, and it's like people talking. 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:16.920 You know, and. 0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:21.560 You know, I'm like, you know, and I'm sitting there 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:23.680 like because I'm trying to win, you know. And and 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:26.160 and this is the thing. People will hear me talk 0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:27.279 about winning Winingen. 0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:27.920 Who you think he is? 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:33.640 Yo, we cover sports. We're holding dudes accountable every day 0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:34.440 for not winning. 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:38.080 How do you sit idly by and just be blase 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.240 about being blase? No? 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:46.560 If KG was on the court balling and I looked 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.000 at you and went like this, it really don't matter 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:50.640 to him. 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:52.640 Whether he win or lose. I got a problem with you. 0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:55.800 I got a problem with you that can't happen. 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:59.759 And so it's like it also contributed to my health 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.200 turn around in the last year because I'm like, I'm. 0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:04.719 Covering professional sports. If I got walking around with pop elly. 0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:08.799 For no, no, no, no, I'm holding each cats accountable. 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:10.239 Let me be all I can be. 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:14.319 And so after doing first take and doing all of that, 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:16.960 then you also start looking at everybody. 0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:18.799 Yeah, these brothers got. 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:22.000 Money, and they professional athletes, and they coaches and the 0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:26.960 general managers and the executives their owners. Yeah that's true, 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:30.960 but they don't stand still they going for it? Are 0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:31.879 you going for it? 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.480 Doing first take every day? Is that really really going 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:37.480 for it? Stephen A? 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:38.359 Is that all you got? 0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:41.880 And I was like, nah, this is unacceptable. 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:42.680 Yeah. 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.840 I aspire to be my own boss. Yeah, I wanted 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:48.600 to develop my own platform. Yes, I want to build 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:51.160 my own media company. Yes, I'm doing stuff in the 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:54.680 world of production with mster sas Productions. All of that's true, 0:41:55.200 --> 0:42:00.160 but it emanates from this desire and this refusal to 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:03.040 start to not stand still. You do not want to 0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:06.240 stand still. You want to keep elevating. There's a difference 0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:10.360 between being alive and living, and I was alive, but 0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:13.000 I want to living the way I want to live, 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:16.640 and so I wanted to push myself to find out 0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:20.640 what I was made of. The podcast successful thirteen months, 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:22.919 over six hundred and twenty thousand subscribers. 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:25.040 It will to a million. Thank you so much, the 0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:26.799 whole bit. I ain't satisfied. Bro. 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.400 Everybody walking around at me. You know, now I'm a boss. 0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:33.080 So are you employees now? And I'm looking at you 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:35.760 and you happy, And I'm getting attitude with you because 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.640 I'm looking at you like you don't establish the standard. 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.560 I established the standard. It's my shit. 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:47.080 I'm trying to win and I'm not satisfied with where 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.799 we are. That don't mean we're failing, but that to 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:54.440 me is like we walk into the season and you know, 0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:57.440 if we make the playoffs, we won, we're successful. 0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:01.879 No, no, the chip. 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:06.200 Now, you can't win every year, but you're supposed to 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:08.719 be shooting for it. And at the end of the day, 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.960 you know, the Kg's of the world are the guys 0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:15.759 that personify It's like there is no one from year 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:19.600 one to your choint. There's no one that can look 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:23.160 at your career and point out one day where they 0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:25.920 looked at you and they went like this, you know, 0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:27.640 he's just gonna be good if we just have a 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:28.240 winning record. 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:33.359 Nobody could say that about you. Everybody knew you were 0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:34.000 a warrior. 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:39.640 I love warriors, bro, I love warriors man. I didn't 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:43.440 like the fact that AI didn't prioritize practice as much 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:45.960 as he should have, but I covered that man every 0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:49.120 day for the first eight ten years of his career. 0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:52.120 My hand to God, that brother. When that brother stepped 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:52.880 on the court. 0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:57.600 Warrior, it was like it's and I was just looking 0:43:57.600 --> 0:43:58.040 at him, man. 0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:01.080 And one day we had a talk and he was like, Man, 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.560 what why are you the way you are with me? 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:08.719 Man? And I was like, because I love you seriously, Bro, 0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:09.120 You're the. 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:12.160 Little brother I never had. I think about the adversity 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:15.120 you face. I think about the shit you overcame. I 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:19.120 think about the way no matter what mountain of adversity come. 0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:22.960 Your way, you still show up. You still show up. 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:26.080 And I know so much personal shit that he's had 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:29.239 to put up with. You know, cats that betrayed him. 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:31.520 You see what I'm saying and stuff like that, and 0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:34.520 he knows I know that, and you know, of course 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:37.359 I would never say, but I was cool with some 0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:37.920 of those. 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.839 Cats that betrayed them flat I betrayed them. 0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:43.040 And it pissed me off because I'm like this, how 0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:47.120 do you do that to him? How you just you 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:52.080 just you see stuff and it's like to be around that, 0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:55.960 to be surrounded by that and to see that level 0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:59.840 of greatness. To me, it's not just about your abilities. 0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:04.719 It's about your mental and the conviction that you bring 0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:05.440 to the table. 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:06.399 So, just to. 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:09.359 Answer your question, man, it's like it comes from all 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:12.080 of that. And when I think about the podcast and 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:14.120 the production company and all of that, stuff. 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:17.040 It's coming from that. Yeah, I want to be successful. 0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.319 You know, I can't announce it yet, but I got 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.520 a drama series that was picked up that I'm gonna 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:23.520 be able to announce in a few weeks. I got 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:26.000 a docu series coming out, you know that I can 0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:29.640 announce that in a few weeks. I'm working on different 0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:30.399 projects and. 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:31.120 Stuff like that. 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:35.160 All of that's true, But where it really comes from 0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:39.000 is the fact that I've been blessed and fortunate enough 0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:45.480 to cover and be around some of the greatest athletes 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:50.800 and the strongest mental people, the mentally strongest. 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:54.600 People I've ever ever seen. And it's made me stronger. 0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:57.399 It's made me stronger because when you want to give up, 0:45:57.600 --> 0:45:59.120 how think about it? 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:04.680 Somebody working they working with KG yo. Man, it just. 0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:08.480 It really don't really matter to me anymore. Man, I 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:09.880 just want to give up. 0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:12.640 You gonna be like, what are. 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:15.319 You talking about? What what you're talking about? Man? It's 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:16.719 just depressire is just too much. Man. 0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:19.960 The adversity is I just get tell you what, Look, 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:23.080 what is this? How soon can I get you the 0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:25.520 hellup out of here? I don't need you contaminating the 0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:26.480 rest of my peeps. 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:30.400 We can't have that. You understand, yes, at versus he's 0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:30.719 gonna come. 0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:32.120 Yeah, we can sit down, talk about it, we could 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:33.800 vibe about it, we could work our. 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:35.840 Way through it. But giving up in an option. 0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:38.840 And when you surround yourself with people who are strong, 0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:42.799 you get stronger or you fall off. 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:45.040 And I ain't trying to fall off. 0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:48.560 Are you watching what you watching? 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.759 What bar doing? H I'm doing more than that. I've 0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:56.600 spoken about it. We just had less together a few 0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:58.279 weeks ago. Watching what he's doing. 0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:00.879 I'm watching what he's doing. He's doing some special things. 0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.400 But he's been around for a while. He's a gamer, 0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:10.560 got major, major dough He's a visionary, highly intellectual, incredibly accomplished. 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:12.719 I wish I knew all that he knows. But he's 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:15.040 been in this world for quite a long time. And 0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:17.359 what he's done on a comedy circuit, what he's done 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:20.799 for comedians, what he's done for other artists, it's a 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:22.239 lot to be said for all of that. 0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:22.440 Man. 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:26.000 I'm a tremendous, tremendous fan of Byron Allen, and I 0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:29.440 think that any of us who are striving to do something, 0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:32.759 whether we're working with him or not, to at least 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.360 sit down with him, talk to him and receive his counsel, 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:41.120 and more importantly bring him his flowers because he deserves so. 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:43.160 Much of it. I think that's incredibly important. 0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:46.080 What is how far are we from? I know you 0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:48.480 mentioned your own production. I know you got your podcast. 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:50.880 You've been killing it. Congratulations on that too, man, I 0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:52.400 know you got to build that. You know, I know 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.720 that firsthand. What is next for you when it comes 0:47:55.760 --> 0:47:59.040 to from watching you with the first take him, watching 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.920 you with the podcast, man, you just got the iHeart 0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:05.279 deal watching everything. What's next for you when it comes 0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:07.719 to this network? Well, first of all, hold on, I'm sorry, 0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:11.880 are you trying to act? Are you trying to. 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:13.960 Acting? 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:19.200 Like? What? Second? 0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:21.840 Third time on that? Not at all? What did you 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:23.280 live about seven years? 0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:25.680 I've been there about seven years, bro, Yeah, I got 0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:28.520 a recurring role. Character's name is Yeah, it's a villist 0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:30.439 expert for the even want to know this name? 0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:32.799 I was like like, no, you got to know the 0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:33.560 character name. 0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:35.319 I was like, I love it. 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.840 Then my grandma rest in Peach to my grandma Milton Man, 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:39.840 she chat there and watched that. 0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:40.600 For that's right. 0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:44.080 Millions the restless to most populars as long as those 0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:46.880 been going on fifty fifty plus year fifty plus years? 0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:49.080 Has Vinter Curious Man killed yet? 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:50.239 Is he dead yet? 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:54.200 Victor? Victor Newman, Victor Newman, I don't even Victor Newman 0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:55.280 for Young and the Wrestless. 0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:59.640 His name in real life is Eric Braden. He's one 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:02.719 of my best friends. We have lunch every time I'm 0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:07.440 out here, every time lunch of dinner Automatic Automatic. His 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:11.600 son is a big time director. He's the one who 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:16.239 directed Dinner Thieves and it's coming out with number two 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:19.719 Christian Goudikins. Yes, that's his son. 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:22.680 He introduced me to his dad. 0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:27.120 I didn't know either of them until about twelve thirteen 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:30.320 years ago, and they. 0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:33.879 Said, oh my god, Eric Braden's texting you, I mean 0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:36.520 tweeting you. And I said, who the hell is Eric Braiden? 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:39.440 And they're like Victor Newman Young at arrest Us. I 0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:42.680 was like, what Victor Doman right? 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:46.879 And come to find out, his son, big time mm 0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:52.920 a fan, big time fight fan, told his pops. 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:57.200 Yo, man, just do it right here, Steven A Smith. 0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:00.520 He said, he's the best sports and listen. 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:04.480 In American history. You got to watch them. And Eric 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:06.800 Brady went and watch me. He said, I agree, I 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:09.520 would love to meet you. We went out to dinner 0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:13.279 and we've been tight of a series thirteen years ago, so. 0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:14.600 I see him all the time. 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:18.239 And the guy named Maurice Bernardo was also a dear 0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:20.680 friend of mine. He's the guy that plays Sonny Carinthos 0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:21.680 in General Hospital. 0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:26.160 They the two biggest soap opera stars. They had never met. 0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:32.160 Why I brought them together at Craig's in Beverly Hills 0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:34.719 for dinner a few years ago, just for them to 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:36.360 meet and break bread with one another. 0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:37.000 You know. 0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:39.360 So I'm sitting there with the two biggest soap opera stars. 0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:40.120 So that was hilarius. 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:42.839 But I enjoy it because I grew up watching it 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.480 because we had one TV in the house, and when 0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:47.960 you came up from school, I got foller, Sisters, you 0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:49.759 wanted to watch TV because you didn't want to do 0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:51.880 your homework and you couldn't go outside and play and 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:54.040 tell you did your homework. So if you wanted to 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.400 watch anything, you have to watch General Hospital. So I've 0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:58.120 been watching General Hospital since I was like. 0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:00.920 Eight years old, like eight years. 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:05.120 Old, and I'm talking about I'm literally watching it like 0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:09.880 i've been at ESPN and it's like, you know, not 0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:11.800 to come to me between three and four o'clock. 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:13.920 Don't bother me, ship, I mean the soaping, So what 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:17.080 if somebody come? Do what when you want? You know, 0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:19.239 you know you know what time it is. Why you 0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:21.880 bothering me? You know you know exactly. 0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:25.120 Boris used to come into the dorm and then come on, man, 0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:26.400 I'm like this, you know why you bothered me? 0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:26.759 Yo? 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:28.440 Man you say you know General hospitals? On why you 0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:28.800 bothered me? 0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:29.080 Right now? 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:30.000 Don't bother me right now? 0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:30.279 Man? 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:31.880 You know what I'm saying. Coach used to try and 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:35.719 go practice and be like, can we have practice? Can 0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:39.080 we have practice after four o'clock? I mean general hospital? 0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:41.000 Because you didn't have the DVR back then. 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:47.840 You don't have to be back there. 0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:48.879 The second I could. I did. 0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:52.759 I still do, Bro, I'm telling you I still do 0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:56.040 right now. I ain't yo dog yo yo, I'm out 0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:57.600 here in Cali with you. Let me tell you something 0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:00.560 right now. I take the last two episodes. I'm going, 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:06.000 I'm going, I'm leaving here to go watch them. I'll 0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:07.800 tell you true, I'm gonna watch. 0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:10.160 This ship dream role if you could do any role 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:12.600 or have a role. What would it be? Dream role. 0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:19.239 I'd like to be, not like specifically him, but a 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:21.560 role that like imitated it. 0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:31.239 New jack Cony. Oh get the you know what I mean? 0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:36.719 You know what I mean? No, brand your fire out 0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:42.239 as down, make change. Yes, Nino Brown, that's right, that's right. 0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:48.440 Oh hell yes, they want to reboot you Jackson playing Nino. 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:51.600 If you want to play Nino, you got Nino. 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:55.960 You know what I'd have it. I promise you, I promise. 0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:00.960 I don't under stay here. You know, I understand. I 0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:03.399 don't want to be ice Tea. You understand I'm saying. 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:05.600 You don't know what I mean. My man, people's you 0:53:05.640 --> 0:53:09.120 know what I'm saying. I don't money. I want that money, 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.120 I love it, but I don't want to money. 0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:16.520 No, no, no smokeing you got that, that's right. 0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:18.719 I'm telling you. He smoked the right in the roof. 0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:21.000 And by the way, you got that. By the way, 0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:22.120 you got that, by the way. 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:23.960 God he had to go. 0:53:24.320 --> 0:53:26.800 He had smoked them smoke smoked. 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:29.480 I mean, you're playing over you gotta you know you 0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:30.759 you you you you violated man. 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:32.319 You know what I'm saying. You started using you said 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:34.719 you're smoking your crack. You under ste what I'm saying. 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:37.239 You on the run. You know, he goill dom you out, 0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:38.920 He'll get you up. You see what I'm saying. Now, 0:53:38.960 --> 0:53:40.640 you got to go. He got to go. 0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:43.680 You remember when he said, I I'll be sure you 0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:48.719 just say like you're pretty kill anyway, pretty remember that man? 0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:52.600 Oh yeah, horse fris mm hmm. 0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:53.799 You got him? 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:58.160 Man walk this smell to his car. Swippy moved you 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:01.080 as you got that. 0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:04.839 I think Stephen, there you got I think I need 0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:09.680 to see that. All I'm saying to you is this. 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:12.600 I'm not saying I got him yet. I would have 0:54:12.680 --> 0:54:15.040 him if I had to do the role. I would 0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:16.000 have him if I had to do the. 0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:18.400 Row or you can get it done. You got the 0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:20.400 type of network that you can go in the office 0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:22.000 at the peoples. 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:26.880 Yes, yeah, but you know what though, certain greatness ain't 0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:28.080 meant to be imitated. 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.160 Leave it alone, Leave it alone. You know what I 0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:32.880 was watching the other day. 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:34.040 Can't touch classics. 0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:37.040 I can't touch him. Remember, Let's do it again? 0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:38.200 Yeah hell yeah. 0:54:38.719 --> 0:54:40.120 See. 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:45.040 We talk about Holly Berry, we talk about Beyonce, we 0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:47.240 we we talk about the j Lows of the world 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:52.839 and others did you see Jane Kennedy walking out there 0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:55.080 in the construction site to start the movie. 0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:58.480 When when when when Bill Cosby was riding on that 0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:01.320 construction truck and stuff, but and he crashed into it. 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:06.200 You know, I watched it at least once a week, 0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:07.319 just that scene. 0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:09.360 That's that's your favorite thing. Just that scene. 0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:13.920 Okay, Jay Kennedy, Jane Kennedy, and go back and look 0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:15.840 at that grim. 0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:17.600 I'm a Pam grim Man. 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:20.359 Listen man, listen, listen, listen. 0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:24.160 That early on Pam Green when she was like listen, 0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:26.640 we did a movie with Pam Grid called Cinnamon Brow 0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:31.320 And and I don't really getting. 0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:31.160 But she's Pam Great. 0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:33.840 She's fam had to keep it together. I had to 0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:38.279 keep together my home. Pam Grush still looking good, smelling good. 0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:40.760 And let me say this to you. 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:45.040 You bring up Pam Graham grip another well, of course 0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:49.120 nobody was Roquel Wells. Does not forget about off the Change. 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:50.480 Jesus, we're doing this. 0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:54.200 Rachel cam back. 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:57.399 He really back and just really back in. But I'm 0:55:57.480 --> 0:56:01.840 just saying, man, they got some stuff in the news 0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:05.000 right now because Steph Curry and the executive producing this 0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:08.480 animated version of Good Times whatever, people criticizing that all 0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:10.400 of that stuff. But I ain't bringing that up for 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:10.880 that reason. 0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:14.759 I bring up the real good times. Oh shit with 0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:15.600 the Thelma. 0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.480 Thelma might have been the baddest chick on TV for 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:20.080 me for about twenty years. 0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:21.600 Have you seen Thelma today? 0:56:22.120 --> 0:56:23.680 Thelma still bad? 0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:27.439 When you talk about black beauty. Lord, I just told 0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:28.480 somebody this story. 0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:29.399 You know, in my room. 0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:31.600 You come to my room, you see Jordan, you see 0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:35.240 Kenny Anderson. I was a huge Pearl Washington. I sudden, Lord, 0:56:35.400 --> 0:56:38.480 I sudden, thank you? 0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:41.320 So is that not the greatest show in the history 0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:44.120 of college basket d Wayne Pearl Washington this Syracuse. 0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:44.920 It was a line about that. 0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:47.359 It was a line about that, you got the list right, Lord, 0:56:47.520 --> 0:56:49.839 you got the list right. You put Pearl up there, 0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:52.880 didn't nobody even understand that was in there, right? 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:54.759 And you know, had the audacity to tell me I was wrong. 0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:56.879 Oh JJ reddick you the fun he told me. I said, 0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:58.600 I think he just showed your youth. You just showed 0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:00.400 your youth. You're just young. You just I know, you 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:01.000 know basketball. 0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:02.719 But you wear brown in his brestt like sibe like 0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:05.320 you go do not what the way Pearl Washington. 0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:07.240 What the way Pearl Washington. 0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:10.600 JJ Reddick does not know all cultural basketball. Okay, he 0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:11.600 knows what he knows. 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:14.120 Okay, when you start digging through the crazy vinyls. 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:15.560 Come on, man, that's what I'm talking. Come on, man, 0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:16.640 that's what I'm saying. 0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:17.600 That's where I had to go. 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:21.160 Who Lee Kenny Anderson with lead the Weapon three at 0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:25.040 Georgia Tech. Listen, Lord was a lionhe was the line 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:31.400 when I talked about he gave it nobody joe Yoe Man. 0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:35.080 I love Bobby Hurley, Bobby Hurley, but but he sent 0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:38.320 Bobby Hurley to the bench crying to coach. 0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:41.840 Don't know what that was that liar, It's not the same. 0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:46.320 Oh, my goodness, my Lord Kenny Anderson. Now now Chris Jackson, 0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:47.640 my mode. 0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:51.720 I was just thinking about the cultural heroes. Chris Jackson 0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:55.439 was winning. I think he was wearing some Bo Jackson's one. 0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:57.720 Listen listen, Yo, listen. 0:57:57.760 --> 0:58:01.760 The brother was average twenty nine w w SHA and 0:58:01.800 --> 0:58:03.040 big stands and stay. 0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:06.720 Big listen listen listen man, everything you be on, I'm 0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:09.680 on the same plateau. I forgot my damn questioning where 0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:11.680 we were born with all this, because. 0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:15.120 Come on, man. 0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:17.920 But wait a minute, before we leave that subject, I 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:22.800 want to say this about Pam Grad Pam Gred marvelous, marvelous. 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:25.120 I kind of figured and by the way, years later, 0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:26.440 to show you how bad she was. 0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:27.760 Years later she was. 0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:35.120 In into deep with Oh. 0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:34.520 Right, she was in there, right, she looked good that 0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:36.280 But let me say this to you. 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:40.840 I'm gonna see it one more time, ladies and gentlemen, 0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:42.160 Let's do it again. 0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:44.520 That's the name of the movie. 0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:53.400 The opening scene, Jane Kennedy going walking. I challenged somebody 0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:57.280 to show me someone more beautiful than that. 0:58:57.360 --> 0:58:59.320 Woman was in that scene. 0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:02.919 Right, it's been in, Miss Parker. Yes, it's being miss 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:05.400 park Miss Parker was warning the grass, Miss Parker. It 0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:06.480 was being in Miss Parker. Brown. 0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:08.280 I'm just being real with you. Hold on with some 0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:08.800 mother candy. 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:10.760 Throw him out here. I know he got some hold. 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:11.520 On Jane Kennedy. 0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:14.400 Bro, it's a it's a pale grill. She walking into 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:19.320 the room. Look look, Vanity, yeah what about Yeah? Vanity? 0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:25.560 Vanity was nice? You remember what was that the dragon? 0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:28.280 Not Bruce Lee about she was in that one. 0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:32.080 Show message. 0:59:32.320 --> 0:59:36.560 That's what you know we're not saying. You say, show 0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:40.560 that movie, whatever the hell I title was, Okay, that 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:43.480 dude right there, and and and you know what, and 0:59:43.480 --> 0:59:45.280 and she's trying to get with him and stuff like that, 0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:47.840 and and and showed him doing his martial arts and 0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:50.280 her theater and ship, and he loved it and then 0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:52.440 ran out because he came up with an idea and 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:55.960 left us standing. The vanity was a bad chick, no doubt. Apolonial. 0:59:56.000 --> 0:59:58.840 Lets not forget her. We get Appolonia in preparing when 0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:00.920 she went into when she she thought she was jumping 1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:03.560 in the lake man the talk, but she wasn't. But 1:00:03.720 --> 1:00:07.720 damn it, we know who Appollonia is. 1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:12.240 Chili all that. But Jane Kennedy, you stuck on there, 1:00:12.440 --> 1:00:16.280 bro show me better. I ain't saying that. I'm talking 1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:18.000 about that scene. That scene. 1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:20.920 I got some better get a Yeah, I promised you 1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:21.960 you could think hard as hell. 1:00:22.400 --> 1:00:24.240 It ain't gonna find you, ain't gonna find it. You 1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:26.920 ain't gonna find it. Not better than that. 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:30.520 Scene, Johnson, that's another's solid. 1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:32.680 No, No, no, I ain't saying all of them are. 1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:33.360 Grinn or not got you. 1:00:33.400 --> 1:00:35.280 No, No, this is not for examples. 1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:40.720 I'm great, all great, it's all, but it's not Jane 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:45.240 Kennedy at the beginning. Uh damn it, don't make me, 1:00:46.840 --> 1:00:49.800 make me do it right. I'm just telling you. I'm 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:52.080 just telling j Kennedy, bro, trust me on this. 1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:52.800 Trust me. 1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:54.600 I got a part of here. 1:00:54.880 --> 1:00:56.840 What do you say? What do you say? You know? 1:00:57.040 --> 1:00:59.040 He know? He don't you know? I'm telling you, you know, 1:00:59.080 --> 1:00:59.680 I'm telling you. 1:01:00.160 --> 1:01:02.520 What is your recollection on what this new TV deal 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:05.120 is gonna look like for the league? I watched it. 1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:09.800 I watched a commercial with AT and T commercial and 1:01:09.840 --> 1:01:12.840 they had uh they had young Juju in it, they 1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:16.800 had Joel in it. And I'm watching just the whole 1:01:17.240 --> 1:01:20.520 yes special, super special. Shout to Juju, she's doing the thing. 1:01:20.560 --> 1:01:22.320 Shout to Joel doing this thing and all that. We 1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:24.240 ain't even talking about basketball, right, we didn't even get 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:27.680 into that. But this is about you. Just wanted more 1:01:27.680 --> 1:01:30.320 about anything else. I wanted to come here, chat with you, 1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:32.760 you know, be as relaxed as we can be, and 1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:34.840 just see what was going on in your world. But 1:01:35.760 --> 1:01:40.040 I'm curious about this new uh NBA TV deal. I'm 1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:43.520 watching Balmber, I'm watching the Celtics. I'm watching people, I'm 1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:47.080 watching organizations feel like they're pulling their assets back and 1:01:47.120 --> 1:01:49.680 making the asset within the asset, not sharing it, not 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:52.640 necessarily with the league. You know, I can, I can. 1:01:52.760 --> 1:01:54.320 I can remember in the past where you would have 1:01:54.360 --> 1:01:58.560 a dual cross breeding when it was promotion. Kobe's face, 1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:00.640 my face, and they were half it, and that brought 1:02:00.680 --> 1:02:03.480 the cities in Boston together, right, And I'm seeing that. 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:06.560 I'm seeing now stuff like bamber Vision. I'm seeing stuff 1:02:06.560 --> 1:02:08.800 like what the Celtics are doing with their own stuff. 1:02:09.240 --> 1:02:13.280 I'm watching the Lakers have their own reality show. Is 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:15.400 this the new wave of how we're going to see 1:02:15.440 --> 1:02:18.000 because linear TV is getting kind of body head getting 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:21.040 beat up a little bit. Well, see, it's the new 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:24.600 wave of what this deal is kind of a pulling 1:02:25.080 --> 1:02:30.320 or these small market assets really locking in their assets 1:02:30.320 --> 1:02:33.040 and their regions versus you know, everybody sharing. 1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:35.520 The thing about it is this The first order business 1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:38.240 they accomplished is when they took basketball related income and 1:02:38.240 --> 1:02:43.120 they reduced it from fifty seven. Because what happens is that, okay, 1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:45.880 there's a line that there's a shad that you're getting 1:02:45.960 --> 1:02:50.120 as ownership, all right, when it comes to player salaries 1:02:50.200 --> 1:02:52.120 and the investments that you got to make in players, 1:02:52.360 --> 1:02:56.280 you're establishing a degree of course certainty, so you know 1:02:56.720 --> 1:02:59.720 that as a result, you can compete to some degree 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:03.080 because but so much you can spend, it's gonna be 1:03:03.200 --> 1:03:05.720 very punitive if you go over the luxury tax and 1:03:05.720 --> 1:03:08.480 stuff like that. And the rich stay rich because they 1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:10.040 know how to be cheap when they need to be cheap. 1:03:10.080 --> 1:03:11.680 So we understand that part. 1:03:11.840 --> 1:03:15.520 But in the larger markets, particularly if you're innovative enough, 1:03:15.560 --> 1:03:18.560 you can really really maximize the potential of your individual 1:03:18.560 --> 1:03:21.400 franchise and that's not going to be stopped. So the 1:03:21.600 --> 1:03:26.760 NBA will guard against that. But the streaming stratosphere has 1:03:26.840 --> 1:03:29.200 really opened things up. And what I would say to 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:30.840 you is that you got to really really. 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:32.680 Look at what the NFL did. 1:03:32.800 --> 1:03:35.120 They were on direct TV, but then they went to 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:38.600 YouTube and they couldn't be happier by making that move. 1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:41.920 And it does look like a better product, the clarity. 1:03:41.680 --> 1:03:44.200 You know, of just the whole visual It just looks 1:03:45.000 --> 1:03:48.840 esthetically brilliant. On a part of the NFL just pops, 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:51.000 It just pops more. Not only that, you got four 1:03:51.040 --> 1:03:53.400 games on one screen, so you don't have to sit 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:56.080 up there and have three four multiple TVs or whatever. 1:03:56.120 --> 1:03:58.040 You could put three or four games on one screen, 1:03:58.360 --> 1:04:00.000 and then you know what, you can sit up there 1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:03.200 and you know, full screen any game that you want. 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:06.520 So having the ability to do those things really really 1:04:06.560 --> 1:04:09.680 puts the NFL in a good position. The other leagues 1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:12.360 are watching because the NFL is the model. And so 1:04:12.480 --> 1:04:15.040 now you got the NBA, and they gonna make deals 1:04:15.080 --> 1:04:18.040 with TNT, They gonna make deals with ABC and ESPN, 1:04:18.280 --> 1:04:20.600 NBC probably is gonna want to get back into the mix. 1:04:20.720 --> 1:04:22.720 But make no mistake about it, they gonna make sure 1:04:22.760 --> 1:04:25.120 they have a digital platform to put their product on. 1:04:25.440 --> 1:04:27.200 And because you have a product to put you up, 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:29.800 because you have a platform to put your product on 1:04:30.120 --> 1:04:34.000 in the digital stratosphere, that may attract more digital competition. 1:04:34.440 --> 1:04:37.640 Why is that relevant? We take a situation. 1:04:37.520 --> 1:04:41.880 ABC and ESPA or with Disney collaborate with Fox, collation, 1:04:42.120 --> 1:04:45.360 you know, Warner Brothers, Discovery, right, their market cap was 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:48.000 projected to be at approximately a little under four hundred 1:04:48.160 --> 1:04:49.960 billion dollars, a lot of money. 1:04:50.000 --> 1:04:52.200 We get all of that. You know what Apple is, 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:53.360 you know what Amazon. 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:57.600 Is like over trillions, nearly three trillion apiece. 1:04:57.880 --> 1:04:59.680 You knows, if not a little over that. 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:03.280 And so when you see that they just haven't really 1:05:03.360 --> 1:05:06.439 really delve into the world of sports because obviously these 1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:09.120 league rights fees coursed the load, and some of them 1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:10.440 don't want to pay it. And if you don't need 1:05:10.440 --> 1:05:13.439 to pay it, because you're already more valuable than anybody else, 1:05:13.480 --> 1:05:14.920 why do you need to do that? But if they 1:05:14.960 --> 1:05:17.040 decided that they wanted to get into it a bit more, 1:05:17.200 --> 1:05:18.520 who knows what the hell will happen? 1:05:18.560 --> 1:05:19.040 Netflix? 1:05:19.080 --> 1:05:20.920 What if they decide they really want to prestick their 1:05:20.960 --> 1:05:23.360 feet they're toes into the world of sports. 1:05:23.400 --> 1:05:24.160 What's gonna happen? 1:05:24.480 --> 1:05:27.400 So the leagues are looking at all of this and 1:05:27.440 --> 1:05:31.080 they're exploring what opportunities are available to them. 1:05:31.160 --> 1:05:34.280 And if you're the National Football League, if you're college. 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:38.800 Football, if you're the NBA, you're gonna have a whole 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:39.600 bunch of suitors. 1:05:40.400 --> 1:05:41.920 You're gonna have a whole bunch of suitors. 1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:45.520 And if you're showing the ability, especially if they figure 1:05:45.560 --> 1:05:49.040 out how to monetize the streaming stratosphere to the degree 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:52.680 they should, it's going it's gonna be off the charge 1:05:52.680 --> 1:05:55.840 that then we haven't even taken into account artificial intelligence 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:59.120 AI and the kind of impact that that's going to have. 1:05:59.360 --> 1:06:03.120 In years to come. You gotta be dogged about your rights. 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:06.600 You gotta make sure you own your rights, because if 1:06:06.640 --> 1:06:09.920 you don't, they could utilize it to their advantage, profit 1:06:10.000 --> 1:06:14.000 off of it, and you're gonna x out the casual fan. 1:06:14.160 --> 1:06:16.720 Think about it this way. Somebody told me the other 1:06:16.840 --> 1:06:20.920 day that it's projected that nearly. 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:25.440 Two hundred million jobs will be lost in the next 1:06:25.480 --> 1:06:28.080 ten years. Now, that don't mean there won't be additional 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:30.600 opportunities for you to get in the. 1:06:30.560 --> 1:06:31.240 World of AI. 1:06:31.320 --> 1:06:34.240 But because of the existence of AI, it's gonna move 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:37.680 out the common man. I've never quite understood that, because 1:06:37.680 --> 1:06:41.120 I've said to myself, you need the common man and 1:06:41.200 --> 1:06:45.680 woman to feed in fuel capitalism. If they ain't, they 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:47.560 ain't making any money. They can't go out there and 1:06:47.600 --> 1:06:49.400 spend What the hell you think is gonna happen to 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:52.040 our nation if you elevate artificial intelligence at the price 1:06:52.080 --> 1:06:55.400 of actual human beings who go out there and patronize products, 1:06:55.400 --> 1:06:57.360 go to the restaurants, go to the movies. 1:06:57.200 --> 1:06:59.880 Go buy clothes, all of this, buy cars, oubms. 1:07:00.360 --> 1:07:02.400 What are you going to do? It makes no sense whatsoever. 1:07:02.680 --> 1:07:04.240 So I don't know how they're gonna figure that out. 1:07:04.600 --> 1:07:06.960 But knowing that all of that stuff is coming down 1:07:07.000 --> 1:07:09.920 the pike, you got to be aware of it. 1:07:10.000 --> 1:07:11.720 I had somebody do this to meet the other day. 1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:12.040 KG. 1:07:13.040 --> 1:07:16.840 They sat there and they presented something to me where 1:07:16.880 --> 1:07:17.480 it was me. 1:07:19.280 --> 1:07:21.880 Calling the super Bowl that just happened with San Francis 1:07:21.920 --> 1:07:26.560 gonna get yeah, oh fuck, looked like me, sound. 1:07:26.400 --> 1:07:28.840 Like me the oho shit. They showed it to me. 1:07:28.920 --> 1:07:32.240 I was like, what the hell? They said, that's artificial intelligence. 1:07:33.080 --> 1:07:35.520 So if you can do that, why do you think 1:07:35.800 --> 1:07:38.040 the actors and everybody sag aster and everything. 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:39.400 Do you think they were going crazy? 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:43.480 Because again, they want their rights, because if you can 1:07:43.600 --> 1:07:47.760 emulate or duplicate their work without them, where does that 1:07:47.880 --> 1:07:50.160 leave them in this business going down the line. And 1:07:50.200 --> 1:07:52.440 if you're the viewer, how would you know the difference? 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:55.520 Because technology is so advanced, you might think it's them, 1:07:55.920 --> 1:07:58.760 but it's an AI version of them, and. 1:07:58.680 --> 1:08:00.520 You could barely tell the damn difference. 1:08:01.040 --> 1:08:04.000 This is the kind of world that we're about to encounter, 1:08:04.400 --> 1:08:07.880 and so owning our own stuff, making sure that we 1:08:08.040 --> 1:08:11.360 have ownership of our name, image, likeness, and all of 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:15.000 that other stuff, it's become even more of a priority 1:08:15.400 --> 1:08:18.160 than ever before. Because the world is moving in a 1:08:18.160 --> 1:08:21.880 different direction and its threatening to leave anybody behind that 1:08:22.000 --> 1:08:23.280 isn't willing to keep up with the. 1:08:23.320 --> 1:08:27.160 Joneses and the loss and the loss don't support Right now, 1:08:27.320 --> 1:08:29.719 there are really no loss. To protect your name in likeness, 1:08:29.760 --> 1:08:32.760 you have to actually go out and incorporate your own 1:08:33.120 --> 1:08:37.080 and actually grab it, own it, get it up. It's crazy. 1:08:37.120 --> 1:08:38.719 This is where we are. It is crazy. 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:41.080 The next two to three years are going to be 1:08:41.920 --> 1:08:44.640 life changing for probably us, everybody that's been living for 1:08:44.680 --> 1:08:48.559 the next last thirty five forty years. I really see 1:08:48.600 --> 1:08:51.000 a sense of how things are changing. I'm seeing things 1:08:51.040 --> 1:08:53.680 be demasculine. You know what I'm saying. I own know 1:08:53.680 --> 1:08:55.840 it's feminine. What is it fit? 1:08:58.040 --> 1:09:00.839 Femininity is heightened. 1:09:01.560 --> 1:09:03.000 I say this to say, how far are we from 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:05.760 a women president? How far are we from women in 1:09:06.080 --> 1:09:09.240 stronger positions? I see Brazil had a woman president, of 1:09:09.240 --> 1:09:10.400 France had a women's president. 1:09:10.479 --> 1:09:11.559 But here's what I would tell you. 1:09:13.080 --> 1:09:16.400 If the FBI directed at the time James Comey hadn't 1:09:16.400 --> 1:09:18.439 come in at the last minute. It was some shit 1:09:18.479 --> 1:09:24.440 about Hillary and emails, and Hillary I believe had campaigned 1:09:24.479 --> 1:09:29.000 in Wisconsin and Philadelphia in the waning days before the election. 1:09:29.439 --> 1:09:31.240 I think you would have had a female president in 1:09:31.240 --> 1:09:35.040 the twenty and sixteen You think so, Yes, I also 1:09:35.120 --> 1:09:36.120 believe Oh. 1:09:36.080 --> 1:09:39.040 No, I think they so heavily in what they've done. Yeah, 1:09:39.080 --> 1:09:41.519 but track record wise, that's why he was able to 1:09:41.520 --> 1:09:41.880 dig on. 1:09:42.000 --> 1:09:42.200 Yeah. 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:44.439 But I'm just saying I think that she was that close. 1:09:44.840 --> 1:09:47.719 And I think that Michelle Obama would win right now 1:09:48.320 --> 1:09:50.519 if she would have run. I think that Michelle Obama 1:09:50.600 --> 1:09:53.120 would hands down be the next president of the United 1:09:53.160 --> 1:09:57.080 States if she would have run against Trump, the presumptive 1:09:57.120 --> 1:09:59.960 GOP nominee. Now that obviously is not going to happen. 1:10:00.040 --> 1:10:01.679 She doesn't seem to have an interest. But I only 1:10:01.680 --> 1:10:04.679 say all of that to say, like that with her, 1:10:05.120 --> 1:10:07.040 you like that. It depends on the person. 1:10:07.160 --> 1:10:08.040 Yeah, but I like it. 1:10:08.120 --> 1:10:10.200 I like it, listen, like what it says. 1:10:10.800 --> 1:10:11.840 It doesn't bother me. 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:16.800 And here's the reason why we love women. We love 1:10:16.840 --> 1:10:18.840 what they meant to our lives. When I think about 1:10:18.920 --> 1:10:22.600 a woman in a leadership position, the first thing I 1:10:22.600 --> 1:10:25.880 think about is my mom. And when I think about 1:10:25.880 --> 1:10:28.559 what my mom meant to me, what a rock she was, 1:10:29.040 --> 1:10:32.040 and how many men I've seen have cowered away from 1:10:32.120 --> 1:10:37.639 their responsibilities to their families, to themselves. I can't sit 1:10:37.720 --> 1:10:40.920 here in good conscience and act like it's a challenge 1:10:41.479 --> 1:10:43.920 for me or any or should be a challenge for 1:10:43.960 --> 1:10:47.040 any of us to accept a woman in a leadership position. 1:10:47.120 --> 1:10:48.360 Women are leading all the time. 1:10:48.360 --> 1:10:51.120 They leading in corporate America, they're leading all over the place, 1:10:51.400 --> 1:10:52.920 and they're doing a hell of a job, to be 1:10:53.000 --> 1:10:53.920 quite honest. 1:10:53.600 --> 1:10:57.479 With you, that's right. Well, it's always in the background. 1:10:57.479 --> 1:11:00.360 I mean, I always have women in the back background 1:11:00.400 --> 1:11:03.680 supporting me, my sisters, and you know, my assistant, Sumatra 1:11:03.760 --> 1:11:04.960 and various other people. 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:06.280 Has always been. 1:11:06.120 --> 1:11:09.439 Women that have been my rock, my foundation. So I 1:11:09.760 --> 1:11:11.880 don't really have an aversion to that. But that's an 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:15.479 entirely different question than when we talk about our society 1:11:15.520 --> 1:11:17.639 and the wok culture that we're living in, and as 1:11:17.640 --> 1:11:20.200 a black man, it's pissed me off at how things 1:11:20.200 --> 1:11:20.679 have gotten. 1:11:21.000 --> 1:11:21.799 So we got. 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:25.200 Xenophobia, we got people, you know, hating on immigrants. I'm 1:11:25.240 --> 1:11:27.360 not a proponent of illegal immigration. I think we need 1:11:27.400 --> 1:11:29.519 to control our borders, But in the same breath, I 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:31.920 don't believe in separating families. I don't believe in throwing 1:11:31.920 --> 1:11:33.800 people out like the bath water and acting like they 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:36.200 don't matter whatever. I just think that anybody that comes 1:11:36.240 --> 1:11:37.880 to this country should be documented and they should be 1:11:37.880 --> 1:11:38.880 paying taxes. 1:11:38.680 --> 1:11:41.000 Just like I paid taxes. That's it, that's all. 1:11:41.439 --> 1:11:45.840 Now we got that, we got homophobia, we got transphobia. 1:11:46.240 --> 1:11:48.600 Why do I bring all of that up? Racism has 1:11:48.600 --> 1:11:49.880 been thrown at the bottle of the barrel. 1:11:50.760 --> 1:11:54.720 I mean, you talk about black people experiencing racism in 1:11:54.760 --> 1:11:57.320 this country, folks, can bailey give a shit right now 1:11:57.360 --> 1:12:01.280 compared to the other issues going on. Why Because they've 1:12:01.280 --> 1:12:05.240 made sure their votes count. See what we've done, in 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:09.880 my opinion as black folks, is we've made ourselves incredibly transparent. 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:14.240 So we looking at the conservative folks and you've got 1:12:14.280 --> 1:12:17.920 folks from the black community questioning their racial sensitivities or 1:12:17.960 --> 1:12:19.600 calling the flat our races. 1:12:20.120 --> 1:12:22.960 So you're not gonna vote for them. Since Lyndon B. 1:12:23.080 --> 1:12:25.679 Johnson was the president of nineteen sixty four and he said, 1:12:26.200 --> 1:12:28.839 he said this right, and he said, if we vote, 1:12:29.160 --> 1:12:32.880 if we put civil rights legislation in the law, we'll 1:12:32.920 --> 1:12:35.280 have the negroes voting for us for the next two 1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:38.719 hundred years. And sure enough, since he did that, black 1:12:38.720 --> 1:12:41.080 folks have given the Democratic Party over ninety percent of 1:12:41.080 --> 1:12:43.360 our vote. So one side knows you're going to get 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:44.960 their vote, so they could take you for granted. 1:12:45.160 --> 1:12:46.280 The other side knows. 1:12:46.120 --> 1:12:47.840 They have no chance in getting your vote, so they 1:12:47.840 --> 1:12:50.640 can ignore you. And we're the loan group without representation. 1:12:51.160 --> 1:12:54.680 But immigration, as much of a crisis as it may 1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:59.280 be at the borders right now, they actually benefit from 1:12:59.320 --> 1:13:04.000 that attention because somehow, some way, people are feeling compelled 1:13:04.000 --> 1:13:06.519 to get it under control, which means they're in the 1:13:06.560 --> 1:13:09.320 eye of the storm, which means their issues. 1:13:09.000 --> 1:13:11.920 Matter because whoever gets credit. 1:13:11.640 --> 1:13:15.720 For fixing the problem is going to get the Latino 1:13:15.840 --> 1:13:18.240 vote for years to come. And they are now the 1:13:18.280 --> 1:13:21.320 dominant minority because we had thirteen percent. 1:13:22.000 --> 1:13:24.519 The Hispanic community is at seven to eighteen percent. 1:13:24.560 --> 1:13:26.720 The US Census Bureau projects it's gonna be at over 1:13:26.760 --> 1:13:29.880 thirty percent in a few years, which means that they said, 1:13:30.160 --> 1:13:31.679 let's focus on their vote. 1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:33.000 The hell with black people. 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:37.519 This is why immigration, this is why immigrations. If you're 1:13:37.520 --> 1:13:40.439 going off that formula, that's why we're having our border problems. 1:13:40.479 --> 1:13:42.320 And so I look at it from that standpoint, and 1:13:42.560 --> 1:13:43.840 people look at me and they say. 1:13:43.680 --> 1:13:45.800 You sports you support Yeah, but it's real life. 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:47.719 And don't come to me with that sports shit, because 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:50.439 the second you see an athlete and you think you 1:13:50.439 --> 1:13:53.880 can manipulate them into getting what you want, you put 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:54.599 pressure on them. 1:13:54.720 --> 1:13:57.760 Bureau models, stand up, be your voice. You do all 1:13:57.800 --> 1:13:58.639 of this stuff to them. 1:13:58.760 --> 1:14:00.840 But now if you did agree with them, you want 1:14:00.880 --> 1:14:01.599 them to be quiet. 1:14:01.840 --> 1:14:04.559 Don't come to me with that. Nah. Let's be mindful, 1:14:04.640 --> 1:14:05.560 let's be cognizant. 1:14:05.720 --> 1:14:10.639 And most importantly, people who have the ability to create change, 1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:13.320 to make a difference, to have an impact. Why are 1:14:13.320 --> 1:14:15.800 you not using it for that? Why are you not 1:14:15.920 --> 1:14:18.640 using it for that? Because That's how I'm looking at it. Like, 1:14:18.680 --> 1:14:21.679 you know, we could say, I got the Democrats pissed 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:25.320 off of me right now. I said Trump's kicking ass 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:26.960 and they were like they were mad. I was like, 1:14:27.000 --> 1:14:28.800 what are you being mad at me for? He's been 1:14:29.920 --> 1:14:37.280 indicted on four charges ninety one counts, impeached twice, and 1:14:37.439 --> 1:14:40.519 still is running away with the GOP nominations. 1:14:40.600 --> 1:14:43.360 Y'all can't beat them. That's why you got all of this, 1:14:43.720 --> 1:14:44.920 You know, all in in court. 1:14:45.479 --> 1:14:48.479 The former president of the United States is in court 1:14:48.600 --> 1:14:53.360 right and in New York City because allegedly supposedly he 1:14:53.400 --> 1:14:55.320 paid the poor in star hush money. 1:14:55.880 --> 1:14:56.800 Really, that's what we're doing. 1:14:57.240 --> 1:14:59.920 This is another way he got something from a poor 1:15:00.040 --> 1:15:03.200 star and didn't want you to know because he got 1:15:03.200 --> 1:15:05.960 the conservative rights supporting them, so he kept it from 1:15:06.000 --> 1:15:07.400 you while he was running for the president of the 1:15:07.479 --> 1:15:08.080 United States. 1:15:08.120 --> 1:15:10.519 And I'm like, God, he did that. We gotta get him. 1:15:10.720 --> 1:15:14.519 Forget John Edwards, forget Gary Hart, for get Bill Clinton. 1:15:14.520 --> 1:15:16.960 Now now you want to do all of that, Come on, man, 1:15:17.160 --> 1:15:20.000 I'm just saying you're doing it because you can't beat. 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:23.720 Them, because you can't beat them. That that's like, you 1:15:23.760 --> 1:15:25.040 know what it is that that. 1:15:24.840 --> 1:15:27.519 That's like, that's like making the rules as we're going. 1:15:27.560 --> 1:15:29.559 Remember when Shaq sat up there and said they the 1:15:29.600 --> 1:15:33.440 Sacramento Queens. He was pissed off because he got tired of, 1:15:34.800 --> 1:15:35.559 you know, flopping. 1:15:35.920 --> 1:15:36.479 Remember that. 1:15:36.880 --> 1:15:39.560 So I'm just this is the equivalent of that. You 1:15:39.680 --> 1:15:42.240 you know, you you you're using the Lord to try. 1:15:42.080 --> 1:15:42.599 And get them. 1:15:42.640 --> 1:15:46.400 You flopping because you can't beat him. And I'm like, damn, 1:15:46.680 --> 1:15:49.080 I don't plan on vote for him, but I'm looking 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:50.879 at him and I'm like, look. 1:15:50.680 --> 1:15:53.080 He's whipping your ass. What you're gonna do about it? 1:15:53.200 --> 1:15:56.200 Look at our world. World up fucking damn man. 1:15:56.200 --> 1:15:58.200 And that's why it's got to be about business man. 1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:01.559 It's got to be about building your brand, being as 1:16:01.560 --> 1:16:05.040 successful as you could possibly be, making that money and 1:16:05.080 --> 1:16:05.680 what have you. 1:16:06.080 --> 1:16:08.200 Because you can't. 1:16:07.920 --> 1:16:11.040 Depend on the system, because the system continues to betray you. 1:16:11.439 --> 1:16:13.080 It's constantly, ever changing. 1:16:13.600 --> 1:16:16.600 It flows where it throws its finger up into the 1:16:16.600 --> 1:16:19.040 wind and sees where the wind is blown before it 1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:20.960 does anything, and it throws you. 1:16:20.920 --> 1:16:23.280 To the wolves. You can't you can't trust it. 1:16:23.320 --> 1:16:26.360 It's agenda driven. You can't trust it's agenda driven, and 1:16:27.760 --> 1:16:29.599 it's important for you to have your own. I think 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:32.160 I actually like the conscious state of where we're at 1:16:32.200 --> 1:16:34.320 in the world. I think more people need to be 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:37.439 more conscious of the square. You need to be conscious 1:16:37.479 --> 1:16:42.280 of your surrounding and vision. I never like to follow anybody, never, 1:16:42.400 --> 1:16:45.599 I ain't never been successful trying to follow somebody. So 1:16:45.640 --> 1:16:50.840 originality I'm always preaching that and the teaching parts. I 1:16:50.840 --> 1:16:54.400 think more of having people conscious now it's more evident 1:16:54.520 --> 1:16:56.720 to be able to bring more things to the to 1:16:56.760 --> 1:17:02.200 the plateau to right. I think with having from situations 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:04.639 make you lock into some of the politics, it makes 1:17:04.680 --> 1:17:05.679 everyday people care. 1:17:06.000 --> 1:17:07.720 You know what I'm saying, Well, I think I do 1:17:07.760 --> 1:17:10.960 it because I'm I want people to know that I'm 1:17:10.960 --> 1:17:15.200 connected to ship that matters, that that's what I'm talking abo. 1:17:15.720 --> 1:17:19.160 I'm not I'm not just talking about anything. You know, 1:17:19.240 --> 1:17:23.880 it matters. It impacts you, and you know you gotta 1:17:23.920 --> 1:17:25.280 have that. 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:28.479 And politicians need to be accountable like just like any 1:17:28.479 --> 1:17:31.280 person that's in a professional has to be has to be. 1:17:32.320 --> 1:17:34.960 When I got on when I got on Conservatives years ago, 1:17:36.080 --> 1:17:38.479 it was because of sports that I jumped all over 1:17:38.520 --> 1:17:41.800 the whole Trump situation. I said, when he's sitting up 1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:44.200 there and he's acting the way that he's been acting, 1:17:44.240 --> 1:17:47.960 whether it's calling people out as be disrespectful, it's engaging in. 1:17:47.920 --> 1:17:49.719 Whatever level of lawlessness or whatever. 1:17:50.040 --> 1:17:53.920 I said, I just need all of y'all to explain 1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:58.080 to me how it's the Kappenic situation going on or 1:17:58.080 --> 1:18:02.120 there's something else, And you ready to hold twenty twenty 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:07.360 five thirty year old athletes accountable more so than you're 1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:10.080 gonna hold at the time of seventy four seventy two, 1:18:10.200 --> 1:18:12.880 seventy four year old man who happens to be the 1:18:12.920 --> 1:18:15.680 president of the United States accountable. How is it that 1:18:15.720 --> 1:18:18.680 you can explain with a straight face that people who 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:23.200 have the power to legislate our lives are held with 1:18:23.320 --> 1:18:26.760 less accountability than a professional athlete. You don't have to 1:18:26.800 --> 1:18:29.240 go watch see him at the arena, you don't have 1:18:29.320 --> 1:18:31.800 to go watch him on television, you don't have to 1:18:31.840 --> 1:18:33.600 bother you don't have to do any of that. You 1:18:33.640 --> 1:18:36.080 could just choose not to support them, not to watch them, 1:18:36.439 --> 1:18:38.560 and you're literally holding him accountable. 1:18:38.600 --> 1:18:40.680 Well, they're a role model. Well, what the hell is 1:18:40.720 --> 1:18:41.720 the president supposed to be? 1:18:41.840 --> 1:18:42.120 Fact? 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:45.600 What the hell is the senator government? What are you 1:18:45.680 --> 1:18:47.000 talking about with a governor? 1:18:47.040 --> 1:18:47.400 A man? 1:18:47.720 --> 1:18:48.720 What are you supposed to be? 1:18:48.800 --> 1:18:50.719 If the athlete is supposed to be the role model, 1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:52.040 what are you supposed to be? 1:18:52.160 --> 1:18:53.680 And keep it real, We're supposed to go in the 1:18:53.760 --> 1:18:56.080 past and catch some of this yesteryear's ship and bring 1:18:56.120 --> 1:19:02.320 you back up. That's right, Tulsa never got that's right. Georgia, 1:19:02.479 --> 1:19:05.720 the son of the the Lake, it's got the whole thing, 1:19:05.840 --> 1:19:09.120 Central Park, it's got the whole You feel what I'm saying? 1:19:09.200 --> 1:19:11.680 All that, all that, all of that, And so I 1:19:11.800 --> 1:19:16.720 make folks uncomfortable because I bring that up and when 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:18.960 I'm and then you might have people in the world 1:19:18.960 --> 1:19:22.599 of sports, like I've gotten too certain issues with coaches 1:19:22.640 --> 1:19:24.960 and other people, right, and they might get mad. They 1:19:25.000 --> 1:19:27.040 might try to come at me because or they don't 1:19:27.160 --> 1:19:28.520 like what I said, or whatever. 1:19:28.280 --> 1:19:28.920 The case may be. 1:19:29.320 --> 1:19:31.200 And I and I'll look at I'll be on TV, 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:32.799 and I'll look at in a certain way. 1:19:32.680 --> 1:19:34.360 And I'll be like, yeah, I know why you don't 1:19:34.400 --> 1:19:34.560 like it. 1:19:34.960 --> 1:19:36.760 You see what I'm saying, because you know, they got 1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:39.200 they got other ship going on, you know, like they 1:19:39.280 --> 1:19:42.360 might flow with a politician, they might flow with a 1:19:42.360 --> 1:19:44.519 particular issue. They might flow with it, but you ain't 1:19:44.560 --> 1:19:46.840 want to say it, you see, And I and and 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:49.840 and when the players all, you know, rally around them 1:19:49.840 --> 1:19:52.680 and support and I'll be like this, to move the 1:19:52.680 --> 1:19:53.280 hell out the way. 1:19:54.120 --> 1:19:55.280 I'm looking right at. 1:19:55.120 --> 1:19:58.559 That, that coach or that executive, whatever you got ship 1:19:58.560 --> 1:19:59.679 to do with it, My your damn business. 1:19:59.720 --> 1:20:00.919 You being users upon. 1:20:00.760 --> 1:20:02.559 Trust me, that ain't the issue they got with me. 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:06.320 It's deeper than that. But if you playing games, you 1:20:06.479 --> 1:20:08.720 playing a game and you ain't paying attention to the 1:20:08.720 --> 1:20:11.280 shit I'm paying attention to, of course you're gonna think 1:20:11.360 --> 1:20:14.599 like that. But I'm thinking differently. You see what I'm saying. 1:20:14.760 --> 1:20:17.680 It's like I remember when Grey Popovichi called up. 1:20:17.640 --> 1:20:19.960 He called up a show and because he was playing 1:20:20.000 --> 1:20:23.200 about Trump. I love that. Why because you're showing what 1:20:23.240 --> 1:20:24.720 you think about Steve. 1:20:24.560 --> 1:20:27.519 Kerr going ballistic in all us rightfully so, by the way, 1:20:27.640 --> 1:20:29.639 about some of the politics that were gonna play, bringing 1:20:29.720 --> 1:20:34.160 up the bills that weren't being passed by name and number, Like, Yo, 1:20:34.240 --> 1:20:37.560 this is what's going on. And I'm like, yeah, finally 1:20:37.720 --> 1:20:40.280 you saying it, because this goes on all the time. 1:20:40.760 --> 1:20:43.200 They just don't admit that, and they ain't talking to 1:20:43.240 --> 1:20:45.280 the players about that, and they ain't telling them about 1:20:45.280 --> 1:20:49.599 this stuff what you really feeling on purpose. But I know, 1:20:50.360 --> 1:20:53.479 and because I know, because I'm connected to people who 1:20:53.520 --> 1:20:56.600 communicate with cats like that. I'm sitting there like this, 1:20:56.960 --> 1:21:00.360 y'all move out the way this between me in them. 1:21:00.400 --> 1:21:02.320 They know what that. They know what I'm saying. 1:21:02.640 --> 1:21:05.200 You know exactly what I'm saying, and it is to 1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:08.040 make him uncomfortable, so be it. 1:21:08.200 --> 1:21:08.800 So be it. 1:21:09.040 --> 1:21:11.000 That's what rebels with the cause. 1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:15.200 Do they say to have a presence, it's a cost disruption, 1:21:15.520 --> 1:21:19.600 and true disruption is honored No, you don't even know 1:21:19.600 --> 1:21:21.360 if somebody's in the room, if they're not a presence. 1:21:21.400 --> 1:21:23.360 You know what I'm saying. I totally get it. What's 1:21:23.800 --> 1:21:26.800 what's next for you? Man? Like I see everything you're 1:21:26.800 --> 1:21:27.840 doing and hurd all this. 1:21:28.040 --> 1:21:28.200 Man. 1:21:28.240 --> 1:21:30.360 I love see men. I can talk to you for 1:21:30.400 --> 1:21:32.840 like a whole day. Bro. You man, I'm glad we 1:21:32.880 --> 1:21:36.960 ain't here drinking. I'm glad we got water. No no, 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:41.200 do not bring out no liquor. No, no church is good. 1:21:41.320 --> 1:21:41.519 We can. 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:45.679 We can toe dominated the chamber and it's sports. 1:21:45.960 --> 1:21:48.280 Wow the grass. 1:21:48.640 --> 1:21:51.439 We can. We don't know what you gotta do next? 1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:52.880 You know what I'm saying with the man out here. Look, 1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:56.000 you know what I'm saying, king and certified and got been. 1:21:56.080 --> 1:21:56.559 You know what I'm. 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:59.519 Saying the way you know now we got to hear 1:21:59.560 --> 1:22:00.320 his top. 1:22:00.400 --> 1:22:02.880 Oh yeah, we gotta do that, man. But thank you man, 1:22:03.080 --> 1:22:04.559 well deserved by. I'm proud of you. 1:22:04.640 --> 1:22:04.840 Man. 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:05.840 You're doing your thing. 1:22:05.920 --> 1:22:06.439 You hear me. 1:22:08.320 --> 1:22:10.320 I like this, man, that's move smooth. 1:22:10.320 --> 1:22:11.360 What is this churn. 1:22:12.640 --> 1:22:14.960 Works for? Me's gonna have us been on this mother? 1:22:15.360 --> 1:22:15.519 Man? 1:22:15.960 --> 1:22:19.880 That's cool. Put in the go cup up. 1:22:20.200 --> 1:22:24.639 Man, I gotta I gotta ask you bro Top five 1:22:24.960 --> 1:22:27.719 MC's man. Let me hear your all time. 1:22:28.600 --> 1:22:31.040 Let me answer that first question first in terms of 1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:31.719 what's next. 1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:33.920 Oh yeah, my bad, my fault. I didn't even give 1:22:33.920 --> 1:22:34.920 you that. My bad. 1:22:35.320 --> 1:22:35.840 What's next? 1:22:35.840 --> 1:22:42.799 My production company, discovering talent, giving them an opportunity to shine, 1:22:44.479 --> 1:22:47.720 coaching some of these cats about what's out here in 1:22:47.760 --> 1:22:49.880 the world and how the maneuver your way through the 1:22:49.960 --> 1:22:54.679 mind field. It rude to really really making a difference. 1:22:56.760 --> 1:22:59.639 I definitely want to do that. I want to develop 1:23:01.080 --> 1:23:06.439 television shows, movies while still doing my own thing. Yes, 1:23:06.520 --> 1:23:08.760 I'm gonna get into acting more. I'm gonna actually take 1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:09.559 it seriously and I'm. 1:23:09.400 --> 1:23:11.479 Gonna do some acting. Oh you go to school, I'm 1:23:11.520 --> 1:23:13.200 gonna take take some classes the whole. 1:23:13.880 --> 1:23:16.080 I'm telling you, I'm gonna need no brown baby, you 1:23:16.120 --> 1:23:17.599 know brown, i'na pull shit off. 1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:19.080 I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do I'm gonna do 1:23:19.120 --> 1:23:20.599 something like that. I'm telling you that right now. 1:23:20.760 --> 1:23:23.160 You know I'm gonna. 1:23:23.000 --> 1:23:24.519 Do all of that. I'm gonna do all of that. 1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:25.680 But you know. 1:23:27.720 --> 1:23:32.400 The goal is to be successful enough to be able 1:23:32.479 --> 1:23:36.559 to hire people, to bring people along to help us grow. 1:23:40.240 --> 1:23:44.840 I'm not anti anything, you know, But I'm pro black 1:23:45.439 --> 1:23:46.200 and I'll never. 1:23:46.080 --> 1:23:47.080 Apologize for that. 1:23:47.680 --> 1:23:50.559 And so it's like, yeah, I'm gonna hire white folks 1:23:50.600 --> 1:23:52.040 just like I'm hire Latinos or whatever. 1:23:52.080 --> 1:23:53.280 But I'm always hire us too. 1:23:53.840 --> 1:23:56.040 And I want I want talent, and I want to 1:23:56.080 --> 1:23:58.800 be able to develop and grow, but in the same breath, 1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:00.680 I gotta take care of myself. And so you know, 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:02.799 I got a contract coming up with the ESPN. 1:24:02.920 --> 1:24:04.439 Who knows what that's what's gonna happen. 1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:07.080 We'll see what's gonna happen with that, and and and 1:24:07.080 --> 1:24:09.600 and whether or not I'm gonna stay or or I 1:24:09.720 --> 1:24:11.400 have to move on. I doubt that I'll have to 1:24:11.439 --> 1:24:13.519 move on. They definitely made it clear they want me 1:24:13.560 --> 1:24:15.439 to stay. They know I don't mind doing first take, 1:24:16.000 --> 1:24:18.760 but in order for me to do anything beyond first take, 1:24:19.360 --> 1:24:22.479 it has to be worth my while. And that's just 1:24:22.560 --> 1:24:25.360 where I'm at with it. So it remains to be 1:24:25.400 --> 1:24:28.240 seen what's gonna happen. But that's my vision in terms 1:24:28.280 --> 1:24:32.879 of just really helping us get along. Now, these five rappers, 1:24:33.000 --> 1:24:36.480 five rappers that you asked me about MCS. 1:24:37.560 --> 1:24:39.320 You do I don't like the world raptors. 1:24:40.560 --> 1:24:45.799 Hip hop listen. This is me man. It's hard. It's hard. 1:24:45.960 --> 1:24:47.599 I hate, I actually hate. 1:24:48.320 --> 1:24:50.519 I hate this subject because I always got to leave 1:24:50.560 --> 1:24:53.519 people off that I got so much love for jy 1:24:53.600 --> 1:24:55.160 Z to me is tops. 1:24:54.920 --> 1:24:57.640 He's number one, number one. 1:24:57.680 --> 1:24:58.320 I got j number. 1:24:58.640 --> 1:25:02.920 You got number one because God, because you got cats 1:25:02.960 --> 1:25:05.920 who play some ship you can dance too. You got 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:08.920 cast to say ship that make you think you got cast, 1:25:08.960 --> 1:25:10.920 that you could just lay down and listen to. You 1:25:10.960 --> 1:25:12.920 got cast and you want to thump once you ride 1:25:12.920 --> 1:25:14.920 it once you once you, when you once you riding 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:18.280 through Calabasas or wherever it is else. 1:25:18.320 --> 1:25:19.840 We're gonna be all that kind of ship. 1:25:20.320 --> 1:25:24.120 That's true. Jay Z can do all of that. He 1:25:24.160 --> 1:25:24.960 don't let you down. 1:25:25.360 --> 1:25:27.599 Versatility, the versatility. 1:25:28.560 --> 1:25:33.519 I gotta put him there. I can't with that as 1:25:33.560 --> 1:25:38.479 a criteria. I can't leave out Biggie and Tupac. I cannot. 1:25:39.560 --> 1:25:39.760 You know. 1:25:39.960 --> 1:25:42.639 As a matter of fact, I think if Tupac were 1:25:42.680 --> 1:25:46.000 alive all of these years and have never left us, 1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:47.640 I think Tupac will be. 1:25:47.680 --> 1:25:49.559 Number one music. 1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:55.719 He was because he was an activist. Biggie was brilliant, 1:25:56.479 --> 1:25:59.519 but he was an activist. And because he has an 1:25:59.640 --> 1:26:04.120 active this mentality, had an activist mentality, spirit and spirit. 1:26:04.240 --> 1:26:06.360 I think I would have put him number one. But 1:26:06.400 --> 1:26:08.519 since he hasn't been here for so long, and jay 1:26:08.600 --> 1:26:11.240 Z has elevated the way that he has and has 1:26:11.240 --> 1:26:13.880 withstood the test of time, I'm gonna put jay Z 1:26:13.920 --> 1:26:16.559 at number one. I'm gonna put Pocket number two. I'm 1:26:16.600 --> 1:26:20.320 gonna put Biggie at number three. It gets real, real 1:26:20.439 --> 1:26:26.280 tricky from there because nas eminem uh and let me 1:26:26.280 --> 1:26:27.960 tell you something. Now, you know, I come from the 1:26:28.040 --> 1:26:31.240 days of it being rock camp, you know, KRS one. 1:26:31.960 --> 1:26:34.880 I remember when the Big Daddy came and when you 1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:37.920 know when him and and my god him in LLL 1:26:38.080 --> 1:26:40.240 was going at it, I mean born now, I mean 1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:44.920 lll ll listen, ll well, don't get enough, don't get 1:26:45.000 --> 1:26:47.400 enough luck, ll don't get enough luck. 1:26:47.479 --> 1:26:50.559 And then you got to remember, I'm from Hollis, from Quez. 1:26:50.800 --> 1:26:57.240 So that's one dm C jam Master Jay. He was best. 1:26:57.080 --> 1:26:59.559 Friends with my late brother god Rest both this soulis, 1:26:59.760 --> 1:27:01.200 you know. So it was like we grew up right 1:27:01.280 --> 1:27:02.760 up the block from each other. I mean I grew 1:27:02.840 --> 1:27:06.160 up one hundred yards from Jim Master and say I 1:27:06.160 --> 1:27:08.200 saw him all the time. I knew who run was 1:27:08.200 --> 1:27:10.120 messing with. He was messing with this girl on my 1:27:10.200 --> 1:27:12.439 block long before he got married. Get met his wife 1:27:12.479 --> 1:27:13.040 and got married. 1:27:13.160 --> 1:27:14.720 I mean, that's how far we go back. 1:27:15.120 --> 1:27:18.360 So I'm looking at fitty, respect the hell out of 1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:21.200 you know, all of these cats, you know, Heavy D 1:27:21.320 --> 1:27:23.839 and the boys. This is where I come from. You understand, 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:25.840 Fat Joe got loved for him. We got to give 1:27:25.880 --> 1:27:28.800 him respect all of that ship. But if I had 1:27:28.840 --> 1:27:31.840 to go with four and five, I had to go 1:27:31.960 --> 1:27:32.800 with four and five. 1:27:32.920 --> 1:27:35.160 You got some Southern playerlistics in there. You got some 1:27:35.560 --> 1:27:37.479 you got some Texas boys in there. You got some 1:27:37.800 --> 1:27:38.880 Midwest boys in there. 1:27:38.880 --> 1:27:41.960 You got something boys by men. 1:27:43.240 --> 1:27:49.000 University, I know you university stew. 1:27:47.760 --> 1:27:50.439 Let me say with with Dre, he's not a hip 1:27:50.479 --> 1:27:54.680 hop artist. I mean he's not like he's not I'm not. 1:27:53.920 --> 1:27:58.200 Said, okay, okay, producer music. 1:27:58.240 --> 1:28:02.719 There's only one of one's. Doctor Dre is is headed. 1:28:02.880 --> 1:28:05.120 I mean I idolized this brother. That's why my bucket 1:28:05.160 --> 1:28:06.320 list to interviewed that brother. 1:28:06.640 --> 1:28:08.840 I love doctor Dre love I love him. 1:28:10.400 --> 1:28:15.400 Snoops my oh my god, my god. I got to 1:28:15.400 --> 1:28:17.720 put I got to put snoop up there. I'm like, 1:28:18.160 --> 1:28:23.400 how I mean I gotta put snoop for I gotta 1:28:23.439 --> 1:28:24.840 put I just gotta do. 1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:30.000 I gotta put snoop. You know not now now eminem 1:28:30.000 --> 1:28:34.320 and now's belonging then you know that right? You know you? 1:28:34.680 --> 1:28:43.080 I mean, oh my god, damn. 1:28:43.200 --> 1:28:47.080 West side covering from the west side. Yeah, man, you 1:28:47.120 --> 1:28:48.960 know how Orange and the crew, I mean all of them. 1:28:48.960 --> 1:28:54.000 Man, he's forty water right, all right, all right, I'm 1:28:54.000 --> 1:28:55.160 gonna have to say. 1:28:54.920 --> 1:28:55.800 This the fifth one. 1:28:56.560 --> 1:28:57.639 You got one more, man. 1:28:57.560 --> 1:29:00.640 I gotta put ll test the time, I gotta put l. 1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:05.599 I'm not then I apologize Nas. I love not love 1:29:05.720 --> 1:29:10.960 Noads so much love listen. But like, for example, you 1:29:11.000 --> 1:29:13.920 see cats rapping right, and they look at NOAs because 1:29:14.040 --> 1:29:15.360 Nas is so scientific. 1:29:15.400 --> 1:29:18.439 He's a surgeon with his ship. He's so brilliant. Got 1:29:18.479 --> 1:29:22.120 mad love for him, the whole nine. But but here's 1:29:22.160 --> 1:29:22.599 the thing. 1:29:24.000 --> 1:29:28.000 Everybody don't get it from him. 1:29:28.320 --> 1:29:35.000 Everybody get l L L L is like he Hollywood. 1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:39.000 But he's still, he's still, He's still. 1:29:39.400 --> 1:29:40.920 He don't let you down, you know what I'm saying. 1:29:40.960 --> 1:29:43.439 And the versatility and he's with still the test of time. 1:29:46.400 --> 1:29:48.120 L L just battles. 1:29:48.240 --> 1:29:51.439 I mean, come on, man, you without question and then you, 1:29:51.600 --> 1:29:55.640 I mean, and a businessman, an actor. Ella is a 1:29:55.640 --> 1:30:00.519 brilliant brother man, a brilliant brother mad loving. But I 1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:02.040 can't leave Snoop out. 1:30:02.320 --> 1:30:06.040 I just can't. And you know, by the way, I 1:30:06.080 --> 1:30:07.000 gotta bring this up. 1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:13.880 I really really liked Doctor Dre showed Super Bowl halftime 1:30:14.320 --> 1:30:15.280 a couple of years ago. 1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:17.280 It was special Mary J. 1:30:17.520 --> 1:30:23.800 Fiddy and then whatever, how do you have Snoop on 1:30:23.880 --> 1:30:28.680 that stage in l A and you don't have him play. 1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:29.320 What's My Name? 1:30:31.840 --> 1:30:38.080 How I'm not I've been loving Doctor Dre for decades. 1:30:38.439 --> 1:30:39.800 It is to this day. 1:30:40.000 --> 1:30:44.040 The only negative I had how was that? 1:30:44.160 --> 1:30:53.760 Could you imagine as to what ever god, I mean, 1:30:53.800 --> 1:31:00.200 could if they have played that but with Snoop? Super Bowl. 1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:05.360 Every every since the famous nipple with just a tip 1:31:05.400 --> 1:31:07.760 of Lake and Jenna Jackson j Jackson showing that tity 1:31:07.800 --> 1:31:08.759 on a Sunday afternoon. 1:31:09.640 --> 1:31:13.360 Ha, get two seconds of that? We out right, man. 1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:16.080 The NFL has been playing it safe every since. I 1:31:16.080 --> 1:31:19.160 don't know about that that okay place. 1:31:19.600 --> 1:31:21.920 I'm saying you got Snoop in l A. You to 1:31:22.040 --> 1:31:24.160 play that this whole. 1:31:23.920 --> 1:31:25.360 You could clean it up, though, man, it has the 1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:29.120 whole inger Wood whole you could clean it, clean up 1:31:30.000 --> 1:31:30.960 effect of the song. 1:31:31.439 --> 1:31:32.680 I'm just telling you, And it would have had the 1:31:32.720 --> 1:31:34.719 whole it had been a bunch of Indian white. 1:31:34.520 --> 1:31:35.519 People like no, no, no, no, no, no. 1:31:37.960 --> 1:31:38.559 Turn down. 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:42.200 It was one month. If it was one moment, if 1:31:42.240 --> 1:31:44.480 it was one moment, one moment. 1:31:44.760 --> 1:31:47.439 Where the world would have forgiven the NFL, it would 1:31:47.439 --> 1:31:47.920 have been for that. 1:31:48.280 --> 1:31:51.840 I'm telling you. It would have brought the house down. 1:31:53.000 --> 1:31:56.559 Brought the house down. How do you not play that song? 1:31:56.640 --> 1:31:58.160 That? 1:31:58.160 --> 1:31:59.439 That is? That is all. 1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:03.639 That is the only critique I've had of doctor dre. 1:32:05.360 --> 1:32:05.679 Right there. 1:32:05.760 --> 1:32:09.760 I'm like, what's you don't play that song? That's the 1:32:09.760 --> 1:32:11.760 one song you have to play, and he didn't do it. 1:32:12.000 --> 1:32:14.280 That was the best halftime show for me. 1:32:14.439 --> 1:32:16.920 I'm gonna tell you this though, I'll tell you it was, 1:32:16.960 --> 1:32:18.679 but I tell you pick your poisons. 1:32:18.880 --> 1:32:23.320 Depends your taste. Beyonce with Bruno Mars. 1:32:23.439 --> 1:32:27.880 That was like cold Play. Yeah listen, yo, listen, yo listen. 1:32:27.880 --> 1:32:31.479 I'm a Rihanna fan. That ship Rihanna did. I was thinking, 1:32:31.560 --> 1:32:34.439 that's ship. I was looking at Rihanna and yo yo, 1:32:34.560 --> 1:32:37.800 she she suspended yo. Hold on first though she's pregnant. Yeah, 1:32:37.880 --> 1:32:39.920 she's suspended in there. They got it in there. You 1:32:39.920 --> 1:32:42.120 see this, you see what I want. That's what I'm saying. 1:32:42.120 --> 1:32:43.200 I feel you that was a show. 1:32:43.400 --> 1:32:45.479 But when it was a show, show, That's what I'm saying. 1:32:45.560 --> 1:32:48.360 But Beyonce, Bruno mars let me tell that, Bruno mars 1:32:48.360 --> 1:32:53.160 By myself. You know he Mindernave, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, 1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:54.120 o Key, Bruno. 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:57.760 Mars Key special, very special special. But when him and 1:32:57.840 --> 1:32:59.960 Beyonce and cold Play did it together. 1:33:02.880 --> 1:33:06.920 Stop stops, she didn't. She was fired. That that was fired. 1:33:07.160 --> 1:33:08.960 She did a sweat suit. You talk about the next 1:33:09.000 --> 1:33:13.240 sweat draft, y'all was higher than Giraffe. 1:33:14.439 --> 1:33:14.840 I know it. 1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:17.639 The lid would sweating. I feel you had your hair. 1:33:18.080 --> 1:33:20.880 She was taking like somebody Auntie in that motherfucker. 1:33:20.400 --> 1:33:21.360 Boy who. 1:33:23.520 --> 1:33:24.679 That ship was the hardest. 1:33:24.680 --> 1:33:26.760 I forgot about Whitney. Excuse me. 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:31.000 That wasn't halftime, That wouldn't half to pre game get there. 1:33:31.880 --> 1:33:35.040 Oh that's oh my god, that one had time. So 1:33:35.040 --> 1:33:35.719 I'm not confused. 1:33:35.760 --> 1:33:40.080 I know my ship now, that would not happen. 1:33:42.040 --> 1:33:44.559 That had time. Okay, I'm just telling you what I know. 1:33:45.200 --> 1:33:49.400 Whitney is nice and by the way, national anthem since 1:33:49.439 --> 1:33:53.879 we brought that up. We religiously say that's the greatest 1:33:53.960 --> 1:33:55.439 national anthem we've ever heard. 1:33:55.720 --> 1:34:01.679 Whitney Houston. Fair enough. So we're just gonna igno Marvin Gang. 1:34:02.600 --> 1:34:06.719 Yeah, in l A n B A All Star Weekend, 1:34:07.120 --> 1:34:11.439 we're just gonna ignore that performance by the late great 1:34:11.600 --> 1:34:12.280 Marvin Gang. 1:34:12.320 --> 1:34:15.519 What's your favorite floor? What's your favorite saying it's fluid? Fluid, 1:34:15.600 --> 1:34:16.880 it's fluid, it's. 1:34:16.640 --> 1:34:19.960 Fluid, it's all right, Well, then make it fluid. It 1:34:19.960 --> 1:34:22.400 ain't definitive about Whitney's fluid. 1:34:22.760 --> 1:34:25.000 That's all I'm trying to say. Come on, y'all correct. 1:34:25.160 --> 1:34:27.519 It was not a halftime show that I am about 1:34:27.560 --> 1:34:28.160 to thought about. 1:34:28.240 --> 1:34:29.759 It was not a halftime ship. 1:34:29.640 --> 1:34:31.679 And she just poured, hopped out, did that and jump 1:34:31.760 --> 1:34:32.840 right back in and got our shot. 1:34:32.920 --> 1:34:35.120 That's right right. She didn't leave. She stayed in the game. 1:34:35.280 --> 1:34:38.479 Stiff again, Stiff again. We're gonna show yourself. 1:34:38.640 --> 1:34:47.840 I want you to Oh ship, Oh ship. 1:34:50.960 --> 1:34:52.920 That's J Kennedy, that's George Foreman. 1:34:53.000 --> 1:34:56.679 Look at look a look at it. Look it again. 1:34:57.000 --> 1:34:59.559 Look hard. Did you see that? You shouldn't have to 1:34:59.560 --> 1:35:01.120 look at her? Look at this woman right there. 1:35:01.520 --> 1:35:05.639 That is J Kennedy, my brother halle Berry before halle Berry. 1:35:06.080 --> 1:35:10.680 That was hard damn, Jane. Keep looking what Jane, it 1:35:10.680 --> 1:35:11.959 ain't really looking Bill. 1:35:11.760 --> 1:35:15.360 Cosby, right, look at this woman right there? Look at 1:35:15.360 --> 1:35:19.880 hard Now watch them, Lord have mercy. 1:35:21.040 --> 1:35:24.240 This is the scepties. Bro, mister, I'm gonna go watch 1:35:24.280 --> 1:35:27.240 this today. Look at Bill Co's about the fucking all 1:35:27.240 --> 1:35:31.120 the way else watch he rescue bills. 1:35:31.400 --> 1:35:33.360 Watching you see this woman? 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:41.679 Yes, I try to tell you, Jane Kennedy, he jumped out. 1:35:41.560 --> 1:35:42.519 The damn lift. 1:35:42.560 --> 1:35:47.120 What. Oh, there's some fucking going on in the set here. 1:35:47.479 --> 1:35:49.639 Oh there's some fucking going all along in this movie. 1:35:51.120 --> 1:35:54.920 Oh yeah, we got to that's a great shape if 1:35:54.960 --> 1:35:55.759 that was true? 1:35:56.000 --> 1:35:59.720 What but if it was I understand. 1:36:03.040 --> 1:36:08.040 Certified Stephen Man. But this is my manager made from 1:36:08.040 --> 1:36:11.760 custom guys. They gotta they got a gift for you. 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:12.240 You. 1:36:12.880 --> 1:36:14.320 This is some of all the capsule. It ain't a 1:36:14.320 --> 1:36:16.360 bunch of shit, but it's simple stife. 1:36:16.720 --> 1:36:19.479 Like this like this. I like this. 1:36:19.920 --> 1:36:21.640 I want to I want to get your take on it. 1:36:21.720 --> 1:36:23.720 You know what I'm saying. I know you're a clean brother. 1:36:23.760 --> 1:36:26.600 I know you like a salon stuff quality. I like 1:36:26.680 --> 1:36:27.719 all of the simple stuff. 1:36:27.760 --> 1:36:28.599 So is this right here? 1:36:28.920 --> 1:36:30.280 This is this is. This is just a you know, 1:36:30.479 --> 1:36:32.439 creation of it right here? 1:36:32.520 --> 1:36:32.920 All right? 1:36:34.920 --> 1:36:35.439 Check it out? 1:36:35.960 --> 1:36:36.840 Now this ship works. 1:36:36.920 --> 1:36:39.200 So I had the I had, I had, I brought 1:36:39.240 --> 1:36:40.639 Sam Cassell, who you got? 1:36:40.880 --> 1:36:43.920 You got? You gotta be courageous to wear this right here. 1:36:44.120 --> 1:36:47.439 You can't just wear this. You gotta be courageous to 1:36:47.439 --> 1:36:49.840 wear this because you know this. Did you stepping out 1:36:49.840 --> 1:36:51.080 when you're wearing this right here? 1:36:51.160 --> 1:36:52.080 You gotta be right right? 1:36:52.080 --> 1:36:52.519 You know what I'm saying. 1:36:52.560 --> 1:36:53.120 You gotta have some. 1:36:53.040 --> 1:36:58.439 Confidence with you, no doubt, Sam, you gotta saying I 1:36:58.439 --> 1:36:59.080 am out head. 1:36:59.360 --> 1:37:01.640 Check this out. Some custom gods they want to be 1:37:01.640 --> 1:37:03.479 able to present you with something you. 1:37:03.560 --> 1:37:05.360 Thank you, bro, thank you for coming. 1:37:05.600 --> 1:37:06.400 Thanks so much. Man. 1:37:06.920 --> 1:37:07.559 Can I open it? 1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:08.040 Absolutely? 1:37:09.360 --> 1:37:11.320 Let me see this? No, no, I'm good. I want 1:37:11.320 --> 1:37:11.760 to see this. 1:37:11.880 --> 1:37:12.680 I want to open it. 1:37:12.840 --> 1:37:15.400 I want to see what you gave me. Help over 1:37:17.360 --> 1:37:18.880 it's taped up? How it is? 1:37:20.320 --> 1:37:21.600 He got it? 1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:28.200 Oh? Damn right? Okay, all right, okay, okay. 1:37:27.680 --> 1:37:30.479 You know what for you, I'm gonna wall this ship 1:37:30.479 --> 1:37:31.000 when I got to. 1:37:33.040 --> 1:37:33.400 That's right. 1:37:34.040 --> 1:37:37.320 Anything else here, get your information. We take care of you. 1:37:37.320 --> 1:37:39.920 Thank you, brother, no doubt that. 1:37:40.160 --> 1:37:40.720 Thank you man. 1:37:41.439 --> 1:37:43.679 I'm proud of you, bro, though, proud of you man. 1:37:43.680 --> 1:37:46.840 You know, keep doing your thing. Yo. We got to 1:37:46.880 --> 1:37:47.960 hook up for the playoffs. 1:37:48.120 --> 1:37:49.679 Let's do it. 1:37:50.080 --> 1:37:51.800 Come on my show, let's get it. 1:37:51.840 --> 1:37:54.439 Then we got to bring our basketball analysis up in there, 1:37:54.439 --> 1:37:56.160 because we know, we know some people. 1:37:56.320 --> 1:37:58.799 Now you ready, you know everybody ain't ready, they ain't. 1:37:58.680 --> 1:38:02.160 Ready to listen list and that you would meet break 1:38:02.160 --> 1:38:02.959 it down the playoffs. 1:38:02.960 --> 1:38:05.800 You are all in a way right in here with 1:38:06.640 --> 1:38:07.080 I'm good with. 1:38:07.160 --> 1:38:18.880 That's h