Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Today, we got a special man. Man. They don't get
Speaker 2: no bigger than today. Man. We got the the one
Speaker 2: and only Stephen A. Smith today. Man. I look at
Speaker 2: him as kind of the Michael Jordan of this ship.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He is the pinnacle. He
Speaker 2: is the top of the top. And uh yeah today
Speaker 2: he's here certified.
Speaker 3: So yash, let's skip this ship.
Speaker 2: We came in here today. Hey, look this certified.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: You can't come here with the whole. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, How you doing? How you living good?
Speaker 1: How you doing? Was saying what you do? He said, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna love and you interviewing him? I said, no,
Speaker 1: he interviewing me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're coming down here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get grilled today.
Speaker 2: I saw you this morning. How you doing? Looking good
Speaker 2: is my favorite color?
Speaker 1: Man. I got to get ship.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, yo, I saw
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Speaker 2: was what forty pounds? I heard you yesterday they gave you.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yesterday, said well, first of all, take that
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Speaker 2: I saw it here.
Speaker 5: Bro, I'm weighed I'm fifty six. Ye holy I lose
Speaker 5: my weight and unless it get myself. Ah, you're trying
Speaker 5: to make me look like I looked at you.
Speaker 1: I can't heard it.
Speaker 2: Just Totle studio, Kevin Man, big homie. Yeah, you're doing man. Man,
Speaker 2: it's all the joint, man, It's what we make it
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This this, this was the studio stuff. I know you
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Speaker 1: This is nice. I'm saying, this is nice. I'm saying
Speaker 1: exactly the hood. No, no, no, no. At the drive.
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Speaker 2: Lion, even on a mountain rain. This all the comference
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Been here for like maybe three years, found this, man, This.
Speaker 2: Is like a down the rough man.
Speaker 1: Far do you live from here?
Speaker 2: I lived probably twenty minutes from here. Okay, Calabasas Malibu
Speaker 2: is very close. I did not want to jump in
Speaker 2: production and have to go to Beverly Hills every day.
Speaker 2: I'll have to go all the way over. But like myself,
Speaker 2: it was just you know what I'm saying, and then
Speaker 2: everything that the big ways of doing a downtown You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I didn't want to do
Speaker 2: none of that. So this is like a diamond of
Speaker 2: Ralphie found it.
Speaker 1: It works.
Speaker 2: Come check yourself. Look, this is a viewing role. This
Speaker 2: is all styling for hair and all that makeup and stuff.
Speaker 2: This if we've got premier. I did like a little
Speaker 2: small premieres in here. It's cool, it ain't. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, How you got like another? When I
Speaker 2: come to Jersey, one of the things I want to do,
Speaker 2: I want to come check your joint. I know your joint.
Speaker 2: You got it all up and going.
Speaker 5: Well, yes, but you know I'm looking for another crib
Speaker 5: in Florida, so I might you know, I made about
Speaker 5: two months from now, it.
Speaker 1: Might be in Florida. Damn for good, for good, I
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Speaker 5: Yeah, too much, it's too much.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, damn yeah, you wouln't like,
Speaker 2: oh ship, you have too high stack stakes. I was
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Speaker 2: So it's you know, it's big enough to get things done.
Speaker 2: It's big enough. It don't have to be so posh.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You know, editing and everything.
Speaker 1: Said, if you go to if you go to Hollywood,
Speaker 1: it don't want nobody m and guess what they're doing.
Speaker 2: They're subsidizing a bunch of the work to gods like us.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Watch your step. These are editing days up here. So
Speaker 2: we have editing up here. I'm gonna throw a little
Speaker 2: party from my little my daughter who turned sixteen today.
Speaker 5: All right, yeah, yeah, my daughter's turned to sixteen August
Speaker 5: twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's what something? No party? She said, that's a gift.
Speaker 1: She said, that's a gift. I want to call. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I had.
Speaker 2: To do that yesterday. I know that walking ahead okay,
Speaker 2: rather than a certified brother.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this is us Okay, Oh I like this.
Speaker 1: This is special right here, somewhere, this is special right here.
Speaker 2: Do something.
Speaker 1: I gotta give it to you. I gotta give it
Speaker 1: to you. I gotta give you something is nice.
Speaker 2: This is nice, this is real nice. Welcome to certified.
Speaker 2: We got Stephen a certified. You feel me? How you
Speaker 2: know you're moving up right here? How you been man?
Speaker 1: I'm good man.
Speaker 2: It's good to see you.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: It's good to see you.
Speaker 1: Man. You know it crazy busy these days. E. I
Speaker 1: gotta work. Yeah, I got worse. Hell, I couldn't play.
Speaker 1: I better not do So.
Speaker 2: Were you killing it? Bro?
Speaker 1: I bet not how to do something?
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 1: So I do what I gotta do. That's how. That's
Speaker 1: how I make it up.
Speaker 2: I want to give you your flowers, man, like Bro,
Speaker 2: You're the Michael Jordan of this ship. Bro.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Bro, and I.
Speaker 2: Love the I'm watching how you have dictated the culture
Speaker 2: of journalists and analysts, and I'm watching how you set
Speaker 2: the precedent, not just with your style, but with your articulation.
Speaker 2: I think my first question is where does that come from? Like?
Speaker 2: Where does where does who you've become actually come from?
Speaker 5: You know, when I think about my work ethic, it
Speaker 5: definitely come from moms. Mom was a hard worker. My
Speaker 5: mom and dad were married for sixty years. They should
Speaker 5: have been divorced for fifty. Oh wow, you know relationship
Speaker 5: wasn't the greatest. You know, not gonna dog Cam. I
Speaker 5: still love him, God rest his soul. But there was
Speaker 5: a lot he didn't do. And the reason why I
Speaker 5: don't hesitate to say that is because that's how I
Speaker 5: give my mom mom for her flowers, you know, for
Speaker 5: her to have to do all that she had to do,
Speaker 5: just for us to survive. When you see something like that,
Speaker 5: the last thing you can be is lazy us, because
Speaker 5: had she been lazy, we wouldn't survived.
Speaker 2: How many sisters you got four? Four older sisters.
Speaker 5: I had an older brother he passed away to car
Speaker 5: accident in nineteen ninety two, but I got my four
Speaker 5: older sisters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm the youngest of six.
Speaker 2: I just about this. Wow, So you're basically only the
Speaker 2: only guy that we grew up with a mom, my grandmother,
Speaker 2: and I got a bunch of aunts in my family
Speaker 2: and two sisters. That's right. I like to think that
Speaker 2: where do you fall in in the line of the six?
Speaker 5: Like I said, I'm the youngest of you're the youngest.
Speaker 5: And the other thing is is that again, when I
Speaker 5: talk about my work ethic, it came from moms.
Speaker 1: When I talk about my mouth, dad came from growing
Speaker 1: up in the streets, and you.
Speaker 2: Know, on the block every day.
Speaker 5: You're on the block every day. Got cast somebody saying something,
Speaker 5: the whole nine. You got all of that going on.
Speaker 5: You got to know how to weave your way through
Speaker 5: that terrain, get yourself out of trouble, even though you
Speaker 5: weren't the one that found yourself in trouble.
Speaker 1: You got all of that shit going on.
Speaker 5: And so for me, I remember growing up, man, I
Speaker 5: was surrounded by black musclms.
Speaker 1: You're talking about about the whole.
Speaker 5: As Law community in Brooklyn, New York, the five percenters,
Speaker 5: you know, the nation. I mean all of these cats,
Speaker 5: and they let me know. They would sit up there
Speaker 5: and they would listen to me, and you know, it
Speaker 5: could be about basketball, it could be about life or whatever.
Speaker 5: And when they listen to me talk, they said, promise
Speaker 5: us you ain't coward.
Speaker 1: You're gonna go out.
Speaker 5: There and you're gonna be ready to be that rebel
Speaker 5: with a cause on our behalf, even when we.
Speaker 2: Don't like it.
Speaker 5: When you get ten eleven years ten eleven years old,
Speaker 5: and it was like, you know, they were coming to
Speaker 5: me and they were like, ask me questions. It could
Speaker 5: be about anything. It was stuff that was going on
Speaker 5: current events and on sports. It could be stuff that
Speaker 5: was happening in the news cats getting themselves in trouble.
Speaker 1: It could be anything, Yo, Steve thata, what you got
Speaker 1: to say?
Speaker 5: Kobe to Steve rightever, so they would they would test
Speaker 5: my metal. And if I hesitated, like what you hesitant for?
Speaker 5: I'm stuttering? What you're studying for?
Speaker 1: If I was passive, what you passive for? Speak? Because
Speaker 1: that's your gift. You the person that they gonna find
Speaker 1: you one day and you're gonna be speaking for us.
Speaker 5: What you're gonna say, You're gonna punk out what you're
Speaker 5: gonna do. And they would literally challenge me, even through
Speaker 5: my teenage years, and that was always the case, and
Speaker 5: so I always remember that because you had to speak
Speaker 5: with courage and conviction, and you know, they sort of
Speaker 5: felt it was my destiny to be in a position
Speaker 5: where when I speak, I would be speaking to the masters.
Speaker 5: Didn't quite know how that was gonna happen or anything
Speaker 5: like that, but they sort of knew it, and they
Speaker 5: were telling me that, and they were like, you got
Speaker 5: to be brave.
Speaker 1: You got to have courage.
Speaker 5: If you wrong, say you wrong, but if you right,
Speaker 5: don't move, and so stand on it. And so that's
Speaker 5: the way I've always been, plain and simple wow.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the example of Queens. That's kind
Speaker 2: of the example of New York. You walk through New York,
Speaker 2: you got you know whatever, bro where you're in, you
Speaker 2: get in the form.
Speaker 5: Of that that's right, right, And you gotta also know
Speaker 5: you gotta also know how to flow.
Speaker 1: Can't flow the same way. You know, you're in the Bronx.
Speaker 5: Bronx different in Brooklyn, Brooklyn different than stat Nyland, Statnyland,
Speaker 5: different from Midtown Manhattan stuff. And then you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, certain parts of the Bronx is different to
Speaker 5: a certain parts. You know, you go to bed Stockbrooklyn
Speaker 5: and all this other stuff, it's different spots. Hollis Qui's a
Speaker 5: little bit different. You know, go certain places in the
Speaker 5: Hollis House is nice. Go five minutes away the cave
Speaker 5: your Heights. That's where the honeies were used to see.
Speaker 5: You go to Lawrelton. It was a couple of houndies there,
Speaker 5: but in the same breath it was brothers dead. That
Speaker 5: was mad that brothers from outside of Lawrelton was coming
Speaker 5: there to.
Speaker 1: Get some of their honeies.
Speaker 5: So they had attitude with you for that. You have
Speaker 5: to know how to move. You had to know how
Speaker 5: to flow, and if you didn't have that kind of knowledge,
Speaker 5: it was gonna hurt you because you get caught up
Speaker 5: in the wrong place at the wrong time. And one
Speaker 5: of the things that it was, it was rare if
Speaker 5: ever that I did. I was almost never in the
Speaker 5: wrong place at the wrong time, because I always sensed
Speaker 5: trouble around the corner.
Speaker 1: I could just sense it. I could feel I'll be like, nah,
Speaker 1: we ain't doing that right away, that's right.
Speaker 5: And I wasn't a follower, you know, so you know,
Speaker 5: because you got peer pressures a big deal and all
Speaker 5: of us could succumb to it. But that's when being
Speaker 5: around a bunch of black Muslims helped me, because what
Speaker 5: happened is is that you know what you ain't trying
Speaker 5: to follow per se, You got your own mind. You
Speaker 5: could flow with somebody if you believed, if you thought
Speaker 5: what they were doing was right, what their suggestions were
Speaker 5: were right. But if you knew they were wrong, but
Speaker 5: you would follow, just to be following what.
Speaker 1: Kind of man on you? And that's and they would
Speaker 1: challenge you on that.
Speaker 2: That's a real masculine energy too. Exactly how did you
Speaker 2: end up down south? I know you went to HBCUs.
Speaker 1: Mister Silms State University basketball scholarship contred.
Speaker 5: Contrad to probably believe I could bowl a little bit,
Speaker 5: but you know I cracked my kneecapp in half, so
Speaker 5: I never really had a career once I got there.
Speaker 1: But your man boris to.
Speaker 2: Real battle shot to TV.
Speaker 5: You know that that's my man working for the Minnesota
Speaker 5: Timber was there when you were there, and he and
Speaker 5: I were classmates and roommates in college.
Speaker 1: You know, that's one of my best friends on the planet.
Speaker 5: So you know, we went to school together and had
Speaker 5: a good time as the best four years of my life.
Speaker 5: I would it would have been better if I could play,
Speaker 5: I could tell you that much. But I had an
Speaker 5: absolute blast, and I would honestly say that. You know,
Speaker 5: it did a lot for my life, because I don't
Speaker 5: know where my life would have been if had I
Speaker 5: not gone to an HBCU and had not gone away
Speaker 5: from home, had I been stuck staying in New York City,
Speaker 5: I don't think that I ever would have been able
Speaker 5: to position myself to accomplish what I would acomplish because
Speaker 5: I would have been too distracted by the streets, right.
Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy that you say about the HBCU.
Speaker 2: I watch a lot of the stuff that they're trying
Speaker 2: to do. I see the effort, I see a song
Speaker 2: some of the major networks. You got to have a
Speaker 2: product out there that people want to see. YEP. Ask
Speaker 2: you this question. If Allan Noveson goes to Hampton, does
Speaker 2: he have the same trajectory of history and the same effect.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: If John Morant goes to let's say Nolin and t
Speaker 2: Let's say he go to South Carolina State, right shot
Speaker 2: board dogs, right right, does it change the trajectory of
Speaker 2: anything in their past.
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so.
Speaker 5: In this regard, I think that when Alan Obison went
Speaker 5: to Georgetown, O was there in the Big East playing
Speaker 5: for John Thompson.
Speaker 1: High profile, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5: So as material and sensational as he was, the fact
Speaker 5: that he was performing on that stage in the aftermath
Speaker 5: of the adversity that he experienced said a lot about him.
Speaker 5: If he had gone to an HBCU, HBCUs were not
Speaker 5: getting the level of notoriety that it gets today, and
Speaker 5: even today it ain't enough. And so because of that,
Speaker 5: even though he would have been a star talent. I
Speaker 5: think he would have been better off from the standpoint
Speaker 5: of being surrounded by people who look like him, shared
Speaker 5: this cultural identity, et cetera, et cetera, his ethnicity of course,
Speaker 5: all of that stuff, and as.
Speaker 1: A result, support base would have been strong.
Speaker 5: But he still would have been in that cocoon, and
Speaker 5: the folks that had the power to make him into
Speaker 5: who he ultimately became, I'm not sure they would have
Speaker 5: went there to get him, you see what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: whereas in Georgetown they came to get them. Now, the
Speaker 5: flip side to it is that that support that he
Speaker 5: was lacking, had he had the right support early on,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of mistakes he wouldn't have made once
Speaker 5: he came once he became pro because one of the
Speaker 5: things that happens to you and you associate yourself with
Speaker 5: an HBCU, or you associate yourself.
Speaker 1: With your own community.
Speaker 5: If you got any kind of soul, you feel an
Speaker 5: obligation to be there for.
Speaker 1: The community just as much as yourself.
Speaker 5: And how could I prove this to you to anybody
Speaker 5: that didn't go to an HBCU but was stars and
Speaker 5: the pros or what have you think about? What you
Speaker 5: have done for your boys. The HBCUs is your boys.
Speaker 5: Think about what you've done for your girls, whether it's
Speaker 5: your daughter's, your sisters, your mom, or anybody else that's HBCUs.
Speaker 5: Those females, it's a family. And when you have that
Speaker 5: kind of connection to them, this is.
Speaker 1: What they do for you at HBCUs.
Speaker 5: That they ain't gonna do for your predominantly white institutions.
Speaker 5: You know what you're here for, right, don't let us down.
Speaker 5: You know you representing us right. Make sure you're doing this,
Speaker 5: Make sure you're doing this, make sure you're doing that,
Speaker 5: and they're staying on you like extended family. And because
Speaker 5: of that, if you have that kind of love and
Speaker 5: that kind of connection, you don't want to let them down.
Speaker 5: I tell you professors right now, Marilyn Roseboro, Larry Little,
Speaker 5: doctor Brookshaw, a doctor Sadler. I mean, I've got professors
Speaker 5: that I haven't seen. I meant I mentioned one of
Speaker 5: them that I talk to often. A few of them
Speaker 5: I've seen once or twice in th the years. I
Speaker 5: know their names like the back of my hand, because
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be where I am if they didn't do
Speaker 5: what they did for me and so when they get
Speaker 5: that kind of love and that kind of support and
Speaker 5: you know that it's coming from love, they could hold
Speaker 5: you accountable in ways that other people can't because they
Speaker 5: can touch your conscience, they don't have to do anything else.
Speaker 5: And so every time you go out there, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I want to do this, but that that that that
Speaker 5: wouldn't look right, that wouldn't be right, that wouldn't feel right.
Speaker 5: And you think about that, and if it gives you
Speaker 5: cause to pause, more often than not, you're gonna make
Speaker 5: the right decisions.
Speaker 2: What are some of your journalists influences? Who people that
Speaker 2: you respect, Who people that you looked at in the
Speaker 2: path of where you've gone, you know, kind of not
Speaker 2: saying you nothing's ever copy, but we definitely admire, you know,
Speaker 2: we pick off and use it and incorporated to ourselves.
Speaker 2: To what have been some of your examples great journalists.
Speaker 5: Is ample idolized Howard Cosell growing up, that was that
Speaker 5: was definitely that God because his distinct voice and his
Speaker 5: willingness to stand up for Muhammad Ali when everybody when
Speaker 5: he transitions cash just played the Muhammad Ali and being
Speaker 5: a white individual of Jewish descent, if I remember correctly
Speaker 5: that was willing to stand up at that particular moment
Speaker 5: in time on behalf of Muhammad Ali was a black Muslim.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of respect for him.
Speaker 5: Brian Gumbel is one of the greatest journalists who have
Speaker 5: ever lived. And for him to be a black man
Speaker 5: and to be in the world of sports and the
Speaker 5: transition and the television and news or whatever, the Today Show,
Speaker 5: the NFL Show, ultimately HBO, Real Sports with HBO, all
Speaker 5: the stuff that he did, he's absolutely phenomenal and he's
Speaker 5: an iconic figure. The late great Ed Bradley for sixty minutes,
Speaker 5: he was something specially with my man, my brother Stuart
Speaker 5: Scott got rested soul on ESPN along with John Saunders.
Speaker 1: I mean, guys like that.
Speaker 5: And then you got a living legend who I consider
Speaker 5: to be a living legend is Michael Wilbon because people
Speaker 5: forget he was writing for the Washington Post before he
Speaker 5: became He got the part of the interruption.
Speaker 1: Here's what people miss.
Speaker 5: Do you know that in two thousand and three when
Speaker 5: the Philadelphia Enquirer, when I met you, actually I met
Speaker 5: you a couple of years later in two thousand and
Speaker 5: three when the Phillips.
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm sorry, it was before that.
Speaker 2: Nineties. I apologized.
Speaker 5: But when they named me a general sports columnist in
Speaker 5: two thousand and three, I was the twenty first African
Speaker 5: American in this nation's history to be named the general
Speaker 5: sports colorists. The reason I bring that up is that, remember,
Speaker 5: when you're a columnist, you have the license to give
Speaker 5: your opinion editorialize. See, we don't we take that for
Speaker 5: granted today because of Twitter and Instagram.
Speaker 2: And TikTok and everybody language.
Speaker 5: Yo, bro, we didn't have it American, we didn't have
Speaker 5: the world. We didn't have that license. You couldn't give
Speaker 5: your opinion unless you were a columnist.
Speaker 1: Will Bom was one of the first.
Speaker 5: And so when he was at the Washington Post given
Speaker 5: his opinion, imagine how inspiring that was for all of
Speaker 5: us to witness what he was doing, how brilliant of
Speaker 5: a writing he was, how opinionated he was, how wrong
Speaker 5: he was with his voice and his convictions, and how
Speaker 5: people had to gravitate towards him because that wasn't a
Speaker 5: voice you wanted against you, you know, because you knew
Speaker 5: what level of respect he garnered. Those things really really
Speaker 5: mattered to people. Like myself and others, and so we're
Speaker 5: not to be on NBA countdown in this day and
Speaker 5: age for ABC and ESPN, be working alongside that brother
Speaker 5: who's been a friend of mine and a big brother
Speaker 5: to me for the better part of the last thirty years.
Speaker 5: Can't say enoughing.
Speaker 2: Could have been a data we see almost like a
Speaker 2: training camp for young journalists to come in and learn
Speaker 2: from the best. Is that even possible, Yes, it's very possible.
Speaker 5: All they got to do is called me, right, I'll
Speaker 5: be there, should be, you know, and ain't no problem.
Speaker 5: Somebody wanted you know, somebody want to make that happen.
Speaker 1: I'll make that happen.
Speaker 2: My biggest problem with today without youth and the older
Speaker 2: people the bridge. Yeah, the older people don't want to
Speaker 2: you know, hey, I don't want to spend and then
Speaker 2: the young people don't have enough time.
Speaker 5: Right, I would tell you the older folks, I think
Speaker 5: they think a little different lead than you realize.
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 1: I think the older folks don't believe that the younger
Speaker 1: folks want to listen.
Speaker 2: The young the young hairs I talk to come off
Speaker 2: right almost like they expect the young boy to listen.
Speaker 2: And these young young people just into like multiple things
Speaker 2: to where if you're not talking about what they talking about,
Speaker 2: they own to the next.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's what I'm talking about. It's not about
Speaker 1: it's not that.
Speaker 5: Older folks believe that you young, so you're gonna be
Speaker 5: disrespectful to the elders. It's that the world has changed.
Speaker 5: And so as a result, like I say, for example, if.
Speaker 1: You're doing newspapers and you've been successful all of this time,
Speaker 1: right sixty years, right, times have changed.
Speaker 5: Linear television is fading's streaming platforms have elevated and proliferated.
Speaker 5: You got all of this going on, and cats see money.
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, you can get a YouTube channel,
Speaker 5: and if you're doing something, a little something with it,
Speaker 5: you can make in a month what some people made
Speaker 5: as an annual salary. And so when they see that,
Speaker 5: they following the money and they really not trying to
Speaker 5: listen to some old head talk to them about what
Speaker 5: they should doing, how they should do it, because the
Speaker 5: mentality is as times have changed.
Speaker 1: The problem is not you think.
Speaker 5: In that way, because any of us would think that way.
Speaker 1: It's the way you convey it.
Speaker 5: If you convey it in a fashion that comes across
Speaker 5: as dismissive and disrespectful. How's the older folk gonna take
Speaker 5: that because we respected our elders.
Speaker 1: No doubt you under saying that.
Speaker 5: Man, I like what you said or whatever, but damn
Speaker 5: if it made sense, it made sense. But more importantly,
Speaker 5: we ain't looking at you as telling us something because
Speaker 5: you're trying to belittle us. We looking at you telling
Speaker 5: us something because you're trying to educate us. Because as
Speaker 5: an old person and an older person, you recognize the
Speaker 5: fact that you're your best days are behind you. You
Speaker 5: understand and you faded into that twilight and you get
Speaker 5: to a point where there's no success without a successor.
Speaker 5: So you're looking for people to espouse that knowledge, to
Speaker 5: extend it so it can be carried on, and that's
Speaker 5: something that's should be admired. Unfortunately, we don't see a
Speaker 5: lot of young cats admiring it. They're resistant to it
Speaker 5: and they resent it, and that's the problem.
Speaker 2: I don't think young I don't think young people know
Speaker 2: how to initiate. Though we're older, we've been through multiple
Speaker 2: times where you have to initiate, you have to be aggressible.
Speaker 2: I think young people know how to initiate, I say this,
Speaker 2: what is your what's your view on the young generation?
Speaker 5: First of all, I'm very proud of them, believe it
Speaker 5: or not, ballsy, courage be on yourself, innovative, courageous. And
Speaker 5: I said of courageous already all of that stuff is applicable,
Speaker 5: absolutely true.
Speaker 1: I just need them to be tougher mentally. Mhm.
Speaker 5: Somebody giving you constructive criticism does not equal condemnation. It
Speaker 5: means in the moment, this is what you did in
Speaker 5: the moment, this didn't work, Suck it up, deal with it.
Speaker 5: And you see a lot of these young cats, particularly
Speaker 5: professional athletes, that don't absorb to all of that, and
Speaker 5: they're not telling the truth always as to why they
Speaker 5: feel that way. The real truth is you've learned to
Speaker 5: monetize everything, so anything that gets attached to your name
Speaker 5: you view as potentially compromising you brand, and that's problematic
Speaker 5: for you. And you're looking at it that way, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, tell the truth, that's what you're thinking, because
Speaker 5: guess what, I don't want to hear about you bitching
Speaker 5: about how y'all it might compromise my brand.
Speaker 1: Today.
Speaker 5: You played on Thursday, you play like shit, But Saturday
Speaker 5: and Saturday you might drive fifty what you worried about
Speaker 5: it for, you got another game to go out there,
Speaker 5: You got another day to go out there.
Speaker 1: Just like that.
Speaker 5: As long as the person is willing to keep the
Speaker 5: same energy in praising you as they were in condemning
Speaker 5: what you may have done.
Speaker 1: That particular day, you should be good.
Speaker 5: And unfortunately you got a lot of casts that can't
Speaker 5: take that. They really really can't. And that's where you
Speaker 5: see the divide existing. And it's not just with the
Speaker 5: young and the old. It's with professional journalists compared to
Speaker 5: professional athletes. It's with pundits and commentators compared to other
Speaker 5: casts that are doing what they're doing even though once
Speaker 5: they finished they trying to come and do that.
Speaker 1: You look at Lebron James for example.
Speaker 5: Lebron Ja's got over one hundred million subscribers with social media.
Speaker 1: Damn, what do you need to do a podcast?
Speaker 5: But you're still doing one? Eat you still doing one
Speaker 5: at you because you want a voice. You got the
Speaker 5: shop wow, because you want a voice. You see what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, so you can have all the followers in
Speaker 5: the world. But ultimately what you're saying is you want
Speaker 5: to be heard. You just want to be heard the
Speaker 5: way you want to be hurt. And what you're thinking
Speaker 5: about is what you want to disseminate and convey as
Speaker 5: opposed to how shit is being received.
Speaker 1: And I'm the person.
Speaker 5: I'm one of those dudes that I pay attention to
Speaker 5: both what's being put out there but also how it's
Speaker 5: being received.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a balance. Yeah, I got a great story,
Speaker 2: Yeah that I was in there. I was in Chicago,
Speaker 2: and rest in peace to my dog block Big Mike. Right,
Speaker 2: he lived in this project called the Village and this
Speaker 2: one way in the village and it's one way out
Speaker 2: the village. I'm from a lower neighborhood, so they already know.
Speaker 2: But it's cool. They let us come in here. You
Speaker 2: got to get permission to come in. And who I'm
Speaker 2: saying this to speed up to say that situation went
Speaker 2: on when my homeboys fouled one of the guys up
Speaker 2: in here. A thousand guys run down here. If you
Speaker 2: know the village is you know what I'm saying, Yeah, bro,
Speaker 2: I have to finesse my way to be able to
Speaker 2: get us out of there. The respects of what I
Speaker 2: have from everybody out here it sounds like when it
Speaker 2: comes to the industry, especially with players that don't want
Speaker 2: to really lock in accountability, don't want to don't want
Speaker 2: none of none of accountability. And where you have layers
Speaker 2: to the truth and your brain is how you make
Speaker 2: your money. How how how I don't want to say,
Speaker 2: I don't want to come off like I'm assuming, But
Speaker 2: how careful are you with that balance of exposing talking
Speaker 2: about what you know or what you have, and then
Speaker 2: knowing that that relationship and that network is very sensitive
Speaker 2: off that information that you have.
Speaker 5: Oh it's easy for me, bro I'm from the streets cold.
Speaker 5: Your personal life's your business. Don't break no laws, don't
Speaker 5: get no police bloggers, don't have everybody talking about something
Speaker 5: to the point where I got to talk about it
Speaker 5: too because the public consumptions.
Speaker 1: But that's your business outside of that.
Speaker 5: Now, what you do in a public platform, it's my business,
Speaker 5: it's everybody's business.
Speaker 1: But what you do privately is your business.
Speaker 5: And so you know, one of the things that anybody
Speaker 5: that knows me in all my years that I've been
Speaker 5: in this business, in any of my boys and my family,
Speaker 5: anybody that know me know that ain't know how I roll.
Speaker 1: Your personal story is yours to tell your game? Is
Speaker 1: that my discretion?
Speaker 2: That's everybody.
Speaker 5: I'm watching the game. I see what I see, and
Speaker 5: that's that. Now, there's been plenty of times that I've
Speaker 5: seen and heard what affected your game. I don't go
Speaker 5: out and say nothing. I might say something like, you know,
Speaker 5: you just didn't seem like yourself.
Speaker 1: Ok, you just seem like yourself.
Speaker 5: It's my way of letting the player know, like, look, look,
Speaker 5: I know, I know, I know, I know what you
Speaker 5: You missed something last already.
Speaker 1: You have some shit going on last night.
Speaker 5: I got you no problem fix it because you blowing
Speaker 5: it right.
Speaker 1: But I ain't gonna tell what I'm not doing that.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's certain things that you got to be
Speaker 5: able to sleep at night. And I don't care whether
Speaker 5: it's Chicago, it's New York, it's LA. I don't give
Speaker 5: a damn what it is. When when I say the streets,
Speaker 5: I'm talking about the streets. You know what the code is.
Speaker 5: There's certain shit you don't do. You just don't do it.
Speaker 5: You know, I've often used this example. You know, I
Speaker 5: was around Jay Z on several occage before he got
Speaker 5: married to Beyonce. I was around that beautiful woman, Beyonce,
Speaker 5: this phenomenal artist who was absolutely dropped there, gorgeous in
Speaker 5: a whole biting superstarsy or whatever.
Speaker 1: I never once asked.
Speaker 5: Them a single question about each other, not one time.
Speaker 1: If you want to tell me.
Speaker 2: That's inappropriate, though, right, we don't know that.
Speaker 1: Were you asking for.
Speaker 5: But I'm saying so, I'm using an extreme example like
Speaker 5: that to point out how you.
Speaker 1: Just know and catch you don't know.
Speaker 5: You don't need to be around them because they just
Speaker 5: ignorant and they don't know. The worst ones, however, are
Speaker 5: those who don't care, and they'll do it anyway. It's like,
Speaker 5: what are you doing? It's none of your business. If
Speaker 5: there's something for you to know, they'll let you know.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about music, Yeah, man, I got questions,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying about. I don't got questions.
Speaker 5: You know cont I got questions to a basketball player.
Speaker 1: You got tickets. Let's not forget the tickets. Damn it.
Speaker 1: I need a pass.
Speaker 5: Damn I don't feel like we don't have me going
Speaker 5: no damn ticket mass put me on the VRP list.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that we could do.
Speaker 1: But not asking you shit, it's none of you, It's
Speaker 1: none of my business, you know.
Speaker 5: And it's like it's just a way of letting people know.
Speaker 5: You know what code is, you know what the line is.
Speaker 5: You know this just certain things you ain't doing. And
Speaker 5: that's why I could be the way that I am.
Speaker 5: When when I'm talking about certain things with players or
Speaker 5: were getting in beefs and we arguing or whatever, you
Speaker 5: see me get pissed and people will talk about, well, you.
Speaker 1: Know, you know this cat, that cat don't like you said?
Speaker 1: What fuck told you? I liked that, you see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying?
Speaker 5: Because they being weak about it, It's like, oh, so
Speaker 5: you had a bad month. I point out how you
Speaker 5: had a bad month. So now what you want to
Speaker 5: do is go behind my back and talk about me
Speaker 5: like I did something to violate you. When I was
Speaker 5: talking about your game. You're given this impression about I
Speaker 5: must be this kind of person because I talked about
Speaker 5: your game.
Speaker 1: Once you tell them the truth, Once you tell them the truth,
Speaker 1: why don't.
Speaker 2: You tell you mad?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, because your ass played like
Speaker 5: garbage last month.
Speaker 1: I pointed the shit out. I ain't say why you
Speaker 1: were playing bad. I know why, but I never told why.
Speaker 1: You didn't tell that, didn't you? You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: All of these kind of things you see cats and
Speaker 5: they don't.
Speaker 1: They're not honest.
Speaker 5: About it, which is why my favorite line line. I
Speaker 5: always used this, and I've said it in front of everybody.
Speaker 5: I've said it in practice, any interview where they asked
Speaker 5: me a question about it. I said, we want to
Speaker 5: have a conversation about my professionalism, my borrows, my integrity.
Speaker 1: What I've done two or four or get.
Speaker 5: Somebody name the time and place, and I'll show up
Speaker 5: and bring an audience because I want receipts. He said,
Speaker 5: I want people to see how your ass is lying.
Speaker 5: I want people to see how you full of want them.
Speaker 5: I want them to see it. You understand, I said,
Speaker 5: I said, And I remember I said this. I was
Speaker 5: doing somebody was interviewing me a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I said, I've said.
Speaker 5: That statement on many occasions. Have you noticed that some
Speaker 5: of the dudes that chirped the most have never invited me.
Speaker 1: Where they got podcasts? They got shows. I ain't got
Speaker 1: an your names, they.
Speaker 5: Got podcasts, they got shows. See k KG got me here.
Speaker 5: I'm saying, KG got me.
Speaker 2: They invite me.
Speaker 1: Why you you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know why, because KG and I understand. You don't
Speaker 5: want them to understand. You want people to believe your
Speaker 5: bullshit because you want to be weak enough to hide
Speaker 5: behind stuff and talk smack.
Speaker 1: I'm right here.
Speaker 5: I'm on I got the number one morning show on television.
Speaker 5: I'm on live ten hours a week. After the ten
Speaker 5: hours a week, I got my Steven A. Smith Show
Speaker 5: podcast where I built my own studio. I'm doing interviews
Speaker 5: all over the place. They got me talking positive. Oh damn,
Speaker 5: you know he going off for the Damns right now.
Speaker 5: He's going off on the Republicans right now, and both
Speaker 5: sides call it. I'm like winning where I'll be there.
Speaker 5: I visit, but I'll make time today. You got time tomorrow. Fun,
Speaker 5: let's go, Dear, I said it. How y'all gonna deny it?
Speaker 1: Is it not true? All right?
Speaker 5: And I say stuff like that, and I do that
Speaker 5: because I want people to know I'm not crossing lines.
Speaker 5: But I'm serious about being mean, and I ain't never
Speaker 5: betray who I am and what I stand for, no
Speaker 5: matter what people try to portray. And that's what I
Speaker 5: live on.
Speaker 2: Have you ever said something that you thought you put
Speaker 2: too much on it or you went too hard?
Speaker 5: I did, I did, me and Big Dog Glenn Robinson
Speaker 5: Definitely I went too far. When Randiers got fired, I
Speaker 5: felt he was responsible for that. Randiers is a black man,
Speaker 5: was an assistant under Lady Brown, former coach of Ohio State,
Speaker 5: and I really, really really had a problem because I
Speaker 5: thought that his behavior with Randy Airs was inconsistent with
Speaker 5: what it was with George call or what it would
Speaker 5: have been with Lavy Brown or one of the white coaches.
Speaker 5: Really pissed me off. And when we got into it,
Speaker 5: it got so hostile, spanning months, if not years, that
Speaker 5: it got to a point where people would look at
Speaker 5: us and I had people like walk right in between
Speaker 5: us because they thought something's gonna happen to Obviously, I
Speaker 5: can't beat his ass, but I'm just saying to you,
Speaker 5: I wasn't running.
Speaker 1: I felt like that. And then Randier's got to me
Speaker 1: let it go.
Speaker 5: Mo Cheeks, gott to me, let it go, you know,
Speaker 5: AI and all let it go, Let it go. And
Speaker 5: then when I really realized that I'm the professional, I'm
Speaker 5: the journalist. It's my job not to be acting like that.
Speaker 5: It really hit home when I saw his son. His
Speaker 5: son was playing in the league and we were in
Speaker 5: Houston and he was walking out and he was like hesitant,
Speaker 5: not not rude or anything like that, almost like scared
Speaker 5: to come.
Speaker 1: Across me because of what he thought I would say
Speaker 1: to him or do or whatever.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh my god, this is terrible.
Speaker 5: And that day I walked up to his son and
Speaker 5: I was like, whatever happened with me and your dad,
Speaker 5: I was wrong. I don't ever want you to think
Speaker 5: that anything that you do, that whatever beef I have
Speaker 5: with him would affect Now I cover you.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm so sorry about that.
Speaker 5: And I said when I said, when I see your dad,
Speaker 5: I never saw him again, but if I saw a
Speaker 5: big dog, ID apologize to him because it's my job
Speaker 5: to be It was I'm the professional, I'm the journalist.
Speaker 1: It was my job to be above all of that.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't.
Speaker 5: And I knew that that was that was a big deal,
Speaker 5: and that really resonated with me. And then I still
Speaker 5: have regrets about, you know, my sound on Kwame Brown
Speaker 5: from years ago. You know, because there was no Twitter,
Speaker 5: there was no social media. I didn't know fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 5: seventeen years later, they still be playing this stuff, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, you know, my bad. But you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, I had to clap back at him a
Speaker 5: couple of times because he's getting too ridiculous, you know.
Speaker 5: But in the same breath, I understand where he's coming from,
Speaker 5: because you know, that shit stinks when you see somebody
Speaker 5: talking about you like that. And so then then I
Speaker 5: had to reflect that. Remember years ago, you know, I'm
Speaker 5: in Minnesota and my man Big Tickets rolling by in
Speaker 5: the hallways, say Stephen. They come in and he's talking
Speaker 5: to me about how I'm talking about Ola with.
Speaker 1: Candy at the time. You know, Michael, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: I did. I did, And you were like trying.
Speaker 5: You were like chill, you know, you told me and
Speaker 5: you told me to chill, and I was like, and
Speaker 5: all I could think about, Like you and I never
Speaker 5: really talked much over the years. We were always cool
Speaker 5: with each other.
Speaker 1: We had mutual friends saying, Mitchell boris my boy. The
Speaker 1: whole bit. Mad love and respect to you.
Speaker 5: But what I loved about you most you forced me
Speaker 5: to live up to what I proclaim about myself. I
Speaker 5: always tell people, look, bro, just talk talk to me.
Speaker 5: If I'm wrong, just tell me I'm wrong and tell
Speaker 5: me why. You know, if I don't believe it, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna tell you conversation. If I do believe it, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna I'm gonna change. I'm gonna change that. And I
Speaker 5: was like, this brother is a superstar in this league
Speaker 5: and stopped and said, Stephen, they let me holler at you,
Speaker 5: let me holler at you. And all I ever said
Speaker 5: to myself is when KG see me, I want him
Speaker 5: to know I'm somebody that listened because you told me that.
Speaker 1: And I dolled it back big time on all the
Speaker 1: way kid. After that, I dolled it back.
Speaker 5: I appreciate, appreciate that, you know, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 5: you didn't have to talk to me.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to talk to me. You know. It's like,
Speaker 1: but you did.
Speaker 5: And it's like you look at these cats like to me,
Speaker 5: the Kobe's God rest his soul, Kobe, pick up the phone, Kobe.
Speaker 1: Fuck you just said. I know you just say that.
Speaker 5: Like love, you know, but I was but I loved
Speaker 5: it because it was like, yeah, you talk.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen.
Speaker 5: But don't try to intimidate me, don't try to bully me,
Speaker 5: don't don't, please, don't do that, because then the other
Speaker 5: dude gonna come out and I'm not gonna back up.
Speaker 5: But if you talk to me, I'm gonna listen. And
Speaker 5: that's what I try to pride myself and do.
Speaker 2: Have you ever made a Have you ever made a
Speaker 2: point to something and felt like it didn't get It
Speaker 2: was a great point and it didn't get like the
Speaker 2: you that you wanted to. You ever made a great
Speaker 2: point and it didn't It didn't hit like it hit.
Speaker 5: But it's hard for me to remember that, but I'm
Speaker 5: sure I have because I talk a lot because of
Speaker 5: what I do for a living. And so you know,
Speaker 5: as far as I'm concerned, that happens every day. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm doing fifteen segments per day to ask business over
Speaker 5: you know, it's fifteen segments per two hour show, and
Speaker 5: so and it went from twelve to fifteen, and so
Speaker 5: you got twelve to fifteen different perspectives on different things.
Speaker 5: And certainly there are times each and every single day
Speaker 5: where there's a level of emphasis that you could have
Speaker 5: put on something, you might have missed it. But I
Speaker 5: never fret over it, because I want the number one
Speaker 5: thing for me with an audience is that, yes, I'm
Speaker 5: trustworthy and what have you, but I'm authentically me facts
Speaker 5: and so if I missed it, it's because authentically in
Speaker 5: that moment, I didn't feel like doing that. Like what
Speaker 5: I show you is who I am, fact, what I
Speaker 5: show you is how I feel. And when I say
Speaker 5: I'm trustworthy, that doesn't mean I'm right all the time.
Speaker 5: What it means is I thought I was right when
Speaker 5: I said it. I didn't knowingly say something wrong.
Speaker 1: I didn't lie. I wasn't deceitful. I actually thought.
Speaker 5: But then somebody might text me, give me a little
Speaker 5: bit of intel, say stephen A, you might have missed
Speaker 5: this here, you might missed it.
Speaker 1: I come right back on it.
Speaker 5: Somebody just let me know I missed this boom here
Speaker 5: I am.
Speaker 1: But I always let the audience know.
Speaker 5: Yo, I'm authentic, I am who you, I am who
Speaker 5: I portrayed myself to be, and I don't lie about it.
Speaker 2: You have built first take to be arguably the number
Speaker 2: one show in the universe. They'll set the precedent A
Speaker 2: to Z. I follow you. You know, you know my
Speaker 2: greatest gift was that I had I read Scotter reports,
Speaker 2: I watched film. When I listened to you, you're rare prepared.
Speaker 2: Probably you're You're so prepared that you can actually take
Speaker 2: a topic and actually make it the precedent for the
Speaker 2: next two weeks. I study your stylus when I'm saying,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, abow to you appreciate you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying on some real Jedi ship, because
Speaker 2: I see you're formally and how you make this work.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I seen you built first
Speaker 2: take into what it is. I never would have thought
Speaker 2: Debate TV would actually be prime time to where in
Speaker 2: the morning, y'all are prime time in the morning. People
Speaker 2: people think prime time is that that three to six.
Speaker 1: It's not actually at.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I say this to say
Speaker 2: in a in a in a poking way, prime time
Speaker 2: because the morning, if you can, if you can, if
Speaker 2: you can encapsulate an audience in the morning, it's says
Speaker 2: a lot. I'll say that to say that I followed
Speaker 2: from what you're doing with iHeart congratulations. You tell me
Speaker 2: to set up in what you're doing with I heart
Speaker 2: and then I got to ask the follow up after
Speaker 2: that to what's the precedent for that first first of all,
Speaker 2: and if I'm going in the right direction of what
Speaker 2: I'm louding.
Speaker 1: Cool, it's cool right.
Speaker 5: First take is a very big deal because I'm the
Speaker 5: executive producer first take two, and they gave you that
Speaker 5: title three years ago.
Speaker 1: They said it's yours. Should show show us what you got?
Speaker 2: Should you built that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was in the aftermath of Max Kellerman
Speaker 5: being gone, and I knew.
Speaker 1: That it was like my asses on the line.
Speaker 5: I got to show what what what what my creative
Speaker 5: juices are, and what I'm made of and what I
Speaker 5: think this show can be.
Speaker 2: But be honest that that had ran its course.
Speaker 1: Though be dead. But that's what I said.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like and it needed it. Y'all
Speaker 2: need a new blood. Bro.
Speaker 5: He's a good brother, heart's in the right place, work hard,
Speaker 5: and I'm not telling you he can't do great TV.
Speaker 1: Ain't that I'm not judging him. All I was saying
Speaker 1: was that us, he and I it ran its costs.
Speaker 5: And I could tell because I'm out, I'm out in
Speaker 5: the streets, I'm going to the games. I'm inside the lock,
Speaker 5: people talking to him, and it's like people talking.
Speaker 1: You know, and.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm like, you know, and I'm sitting there
Speaker 5: like because I'm trying to win, you know. And and
Speaker 5: and this is the thing. People will hear me talk
Speaker 5: about winning Winingen.
Speaker 1: Who you think he is?
Speaker 5: Yo, we cover sports. We're holding dudes accountable every day
Speaker 5: for not winning.
Speaker 1: How do you sit idly by and just be blase
Speaker 1: about being blase? No?
Speaker 5: If KG was on the court balling and I looked
Speaker 5: at you and went like this, it really don't matter
Speaker 5: to him.
Speaker 1: Whether he win or lose. I got a problem with you.
Speaker 1: I got a problem with you that can't happen.
Speaker 5: And so it's like it also contributed to my health
Speaker 5: turn around in the last year because I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Covering professional sports. If I got walking around with pop elly.
Speaker 5: For no, no, no, no, I'm holding each cats accountable.
Speaker 1: Let me be all I can be.
Speaker 5: And so after doing first take and doing all of that,
Speaker 5: then you also start looking at everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these brothers got.
Speaker 5: Money, and they professional athletes, and they coaches and the
Speaker 5: general managers and the executives their owners. Yeah that's true,
Speaker 5: but they don't stand still they going for it? Are
Speaker 5: you going for it?
Speaker 1: Doing first take every day? Is that really really going
Speaker 1: for it? Stephen A?
Speaker 2: Is that all you got?
Speaker 1: And I was like, nah, this is unacceptable.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I aspire to be my own boss. Yeah, I wanted
Speaker 5: to develop my own platform. Yes, I want to build
Speaker 5: my own media company. Yes, I'm doing stuff in the
Speaker 5: world of production with mster sas Productions. All of that's true,
Speaker 5: but it emanates from this desire and this refusal to
Speaker 5: start to not stand still. You do not want to
Speaker 5: stand still. You want to keep elevating. There's a difference
Speaker 5: between being alive and living, and I was alive, but
Speaker 5: I want to living the way I want to live,
Speaker 5: and so I wanted to push myself to find out
Speaker 5: what I was made of. The podcast successful thirteen months,
Speaker 5: over six hundred and twenty thousand subscribers.
Speaker 1: It will to a million. Thank you so much, the
Speaker 1: whole bit. I ain't satisfied. Bro.
Speaker 5: Everybody walking around at me. You know, now I'm a boss.
Speaker 5: So are you employees now? And I'm looking at you
Speaker 5: and you happy, And I'm getting attitude with you because
Speaker 5: I'm looking at you like you don't establish the standard.
Speaker 1: I established the standard. It's my shit.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to win and I'm not satisfied with where
Speaker 5: we are. That don't mean we're failing, but that to
Speaker 5: me is like we walk into the season and you know,
Speaker 5: if we make the playoffs, we won, we're successful.
Speaker 1: No, no, the chip.
Speaker 5: Now, you can't win every year, but you're supposed to
Speaker 5: be shooting for it. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: you know, the Kg's of the world are the guys
Speaker 5: that personify It's like there is no one from year
Speaker 5: one to your choint. There's no one that can look
Speaker 5: at your career and point out one day where they
Speaker 5: looked at you and they went like this, you know,
Speaker 5: he's just gonna be good if we just have a
Speaker 5: winning record.
Speaker 1: Nobody could say that about you. Everybody knew you were
Speaker 1: a warrior.
Speaker 5: I love warriors, bro, I love warriors man. I didn't
Speaker 5: like the fact that AI didn't prioritize practice as much
Speaker 5: as he should have, but I covered that man every
Speaker 5: day for the first eight ten years of his career.
Speaker 5: My hand to God, that brother. When that brother stepped
Speaker 5: on the court.
Speaker 1: Warrior, it was like it's and I was just looking
Speaker 1: at him, man.
Speaker 5: And one day we had a talk and he was like, Man,
Speaker 5: what why are you the way you are with me?
Speaker 1: Man? And I was like, because I love you seriously, Bro,
Speaker 1: You're the.
Speaker 5: Little brother I never had. I think about the adversity
Speaker 5: you face. I think about the shit you overcame. I
Speaker 5: think about the way no matter what mountain of adversity come.
Speaker 1: Your way, you still show up. You still show up.
Speaker 5: And I know so much personal shit that he's had
Speaker 5: to put up with. You know, cats that betrayed him.
Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying and stuff like that, and
Speaker 5: he knows I know that, and you know, of course
Speaker 5: I would never say, but I was cool with some
Speaker 5: of those.
Speaker 1: Cats that betrayed them flat I betrayed them.
Speaker 5: And it pissed me off because I'm like this, how
Speaker 5: do you do that to him? How you just you
Speaker 5: just you see stuff and it's like to be around that,
Speaker 5: to be surrounded by that and to see that level
Speaker 5: of greatness. To me, it's not just about your abilities.
Speaker 5: It's about your mental and the conviction that you bring
Speaker 5: to the table.
Speaker 1: So, just to.
Speaker 5: Answer your question, man, it's like it comes from all
Speaker 5: of that. And when I think about the podcast and
Speaker 5: the production company and all of that, stuff.
Speaker 1: It's coming from that. Yeah, I want to be successful.
Speaker 5: You know, I can't announce it yet, but I got
Speaker 5: a drama series that was picked up that I'm gonna
Speaker 5: be able to announce in a few weeks. I got
Speaker 5: a docu series coming out, you know that I can
Speaker 5: announce that in a few weeks. I'm working on different
Speaker 5: projects and.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that.
Speaker 5: All of that's true, But where it really comes from
Speaker 5: is the fact that I've been blessed and fortunate enough
Speaker 5: to cover and be around some of the greatest athletes
Speaker 5: and the strongest mental people, the mentally strongest.
Speaker 1: People I've ever ever seen. And it's made me stronger.
Speaker 5: It's made me stronger because when you want to give up,
Speaker 5: how think about it?
Speaker 1: Somebody working they working with KG yo. Man, it just.
Speaker 5: It really don't really matter to me anymore. Man, I
Speaker 5: just want to give up.
Speaker 2: You gonna be like, what are.
Speaker 1: You talking about? What what you're talking about? Man? It's
Speaker 1: just depressire is just too much. Man.
Speaker 5: The adversity is I just get tell you what, Look,
Speaker 5: what is this? How soon can I get you the
Speaker 5: hellup out of here? I don't need you contaminating the
Speaker 5: rest of my peeps.
Speaker 1: We can't have that. You understand, yes, at versus he's
Speaker 1: gonna come.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we can sit down, talk about it, we could
Speaker 5: vibe about it, we could work our.
Speaker 1: Way through it. But giving up in an option.
Speaker 5: And when you surround yourself with people who are strong,
Speaker 5: you get stronger or you fall off.
Speaker 1: And I ain't trying to fall off.
Speaker 2: Are you watching what you watching?
Speaker 1: What bar doing? H I'm doing more than that. I've
Speaker 1: spoken about it. We just had less together a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Watching what he's doing.
Speaker 5: I'm watching what he's doing. He's doing some special things.
Speaker 5: But he's been around for a while. He's a gamer,
Speaker 5: got major, major dough He's a visionary, highly intellectual, incredibly accomplished.
Speaker 5: I wish I knew all that he knows. But he's
Speaker 5: been in this world for quite a long time. And
Speaker 5: what he's done on a comedy circuit, what he's done
Speaker 5: for comedians, what he's done for other artists, it's a
Speaker 5: lot to be said for all of that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: I'm a tremendous, tremendous fan of Byron Allen, and I
Speaker 5: think that any of us who are striving to do something,
Speaker 5: whether we're working with him or not, to at least
Speaker 5: sit down with him, talk to him and receive his counsel,
Speaker 5: and more importantly bring him his flowers because he deserves so.
Speaker 1: Much of it. I think that's incredibly important.
Speaker 2: What is how far are we from? I know you
Speaker 2: mentioned your own production. I know you got your podcast.
Speaker 2: You've been killing it. Congratulations on that too, man, I
Speaker 2: know you got to build that. You know, I know
Speaker 2: that firsthand. What is next for you when it comes
Speaker 2: to from watching you with the first take him, watching
Speaker 2: you with the podcast, man, you just got the iHeart
Speaker 2: deal watching everything. What's next for you when it comes
Speaker 2: to this network? Well, first of all, hold on, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: are you trying to act? Are you trying to.
Speaker 3: Acting?
Speaker 2: Like? What? Second?
Speaker 1: Third time on that? Not at all? What did you
Speaker 1: live about seven years?
Speaker 5: I've been there about seven years, bro, Yeah, I got
Speaker 5: a recurring role. Character's name is Yeah, it's a villist
Speaker 5: expert for the even want to know this name?
Speaker 2: I was like like, no, you got to know the
Speaker 2: character name.
Speaker 1: I was like, I love it.
Speaker 2: Then my grandma rest in Peach to my grandma Milton Man,
Speaker 2: she chat there and watched that.
Speaker 1: For that's right.
Speaker 6: Millions the restless to most populars as long as those
Speaker 6: been going on fifty fifty plus year fifty plus years?
Speaker 3: Has Vinter Curious Man killed yet?
Speaker 5: Is he dead yet?
Speaker 1: Victor? Victor Newman, Victor Newman, I don't even Victor Newman
Speaker 1: for Young and the Wrestless.
Speaker 5: His name in real life is Eric Braden. He's one
Speaker 5: of my best friends. We have lunch every time I'm
Speaker 5: out here, every time lunch of dinner Automatic Automatic. His
Speaker 5: son is a big time director. He's the one who
Speaker 5: directed Dinner Thieves and it's coming out with number two
Speaker 5: Christian Goudikins. Yes, that's his son.
Speaker 1: He introduced me to his dad.
Speaker 5: I didn't know either of them until about twelve thirteen
Speaker 5: years ago, and they.
Speaker 1: Said, oh my god, Eric Braden's texting you, I mean
Speaker 1: tweeting you. And I said, who the hell is Eric Braiden?
Speaker 1: And they're like Victor Newman Young at arrest Us. I
Speaker 1: was like, what Victor Doman right?
Speaker 5: And come to find out, his son, big time mm
Speaker 5: a fan, big time fight fan, told his pops.
Speaker 1: Yo, man, just do it right here, Steven A Smith.
Speaker 1: He said, he's the best sports and listen.
Speaker 5: In American history. You got to watch them. And Eric
Speaker 5: Brady went and watch me. He said, I agree, I
Speaker 5: would love to meet you. We went out to dinner
Speaker 5: and we've been tight of a series thirteen years ago, so.
Speaker 1: I see him all the time.
Speaker 5: And the guy named Maurice Bernardo was also a dear
Speaker 5: friend of mine. He's the guy that plays Sonny Carinthos
Speaker 5: in General Hospital.
Speaker 1: They the two biggest soap opera stars. They had never met.
Speaker 5: Why I brought them together at Craig's in Beverly Hills
Speaker 5: for dinner a few years ago, just for them to
Speaker 5: meet and break bread with one another.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: So I'm sitting there with the two biggest soap opera stars.
Speaker 1: So that was hilarius.
Speaker 5: But I enjoy it because I grew up watching it
Speaker 5: because we had one TV in the house, and when
Speaker 5: you came up from school, I got foller, Sisters, you
Speaker 5: wanted to watch TV because you didn't want to do
Speaker 5: your homework and you couldn't go outside and play and
Speaker 5: tell you did your homework. So if you wanted to
Speaker 5: watch anything, you have to watch General Hospital. So I've
Speaker 5: been watching General Hospital since I was like.
Speaker 1: Eight years old, like eight years.
Speaker 5: Old, and I'm talking about I'm literally watching it like
Speaker 5: i've been at ESPN and it's like, you know, not
Speaker 5: to come to me between three and four o'clock.
Speaker 1: Don't bother me, ship, I mean the soaping, So what
Speaker 1: if somebody come? Do what when you want? You know,
Speaker 1: you know you know what time it is. Why you
Speaker 1: bothering me? You know you know exactly.
Speaker 5: Boris used to come into the dorm and then come on, man,
Speaker 5: I'm like this, you know why you bothered me?
Speaker 2: Yo?
Speaker 1: Man you say you know General hospitals? On why you
Speaker 1: bothered me?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 1: Don't bother me right now?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Coach used to try and
Speaker 1: go practice and be like, can we have practice? Can
Speaker 1: we have practice after four o'clock? I mean general hospital?
Speaker 1: Because you didn't have the DVR back then.
Speaker 3: You don't have to be back there.
Speaker 1: The second I could. I did.
Speaker 5: I still do, Bro, I'm telling you I still do
Speaker 5: right now. I ain't yo dog yo yo, I'm out
Speaker 5: here in Cali with you. Let me tell you something
Speaker 5: right now. I take the last two episodes. I'm going,
Speaker 5: I'm going, I'm leaving here to go watch them. I'll
Speaker 5: tell you true, I'm gonna watch.
Speaker 2: This ship dream role if you could do any role
Speaker 2: or have a role. What would it be? Dream role.
Speaker 5: I'd like to be, not like specifically him, but a
Speaker 5: role that like imitated it.
Speaker 1: New jack Cony. Oh get the you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? No, brand your fire out
Speaker 1: as down, make change. Yes, Nino Brown, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Oh hell yes, they want to reboot you Jackson playing Nino.
Speaker 2: If you want to play Nino, you got Nino.
Speaker 1: You know what I'd have it. I promise you, I promise.
Speaker 1: I don't under stay here. You know, I understand. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be ice Tea. You understand I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You don't know what I mean. My man, people's you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I don't money. I want that money,
Speaker 1: I love it, but I don't want to money.
Speaker 5: No, no, no smokeing you got that, that's right.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. He smoked the right in the roof.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you got that. By the way,
Speaker 1: you got that, by the way.
Speaker 2: God he had to go.
Speaker 1: He had smoked them smoke smoked.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're playing over you gotta you know you
Speaker 5: you you you you violated man.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You started using you said
Speaker 1: you're smoking your crack. You under ste what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You on the run. You know, he goill dom you out,
Speaker 1: He'll get you up. You see what I'm saying. Now,
Speaker 1: you got to go. He got to go.
Speaker 5: You remember when he said, I I'll be sure you
Speaker 5: just say like you're pretty kill anyway, pretty remember that man?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, horse fris mm hmm.
Speaker 1: You got him?
Speaker 2: Man walk this smell to his car. Swippy moved you
Speaker 2: as you got that.
Speaker 5: I think Stephen, there you got I think I need
Speaker 5: to see that. All I'm saying to you is this.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I got him yet. I would have
Speaker 5: him if I had to do the role. I would
Speaker 5: have him if I had to do the.
Speaker 2: Row or you can get it done. You got the
Speaker 2: type of network that you can go in the office
Speaker 2: at the peoples.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, but you know what though, certain greatness ain't
Speaker 5: meant to be imitated.
Speaker 1: Leave it alone, Leave it alone. You know what I
Speaker 1: was watching the other day.
Speaker 2: Can't touch classics.
Speaker 1: I can't touch him. Remember, Let's do it again?
Speaker 2: Yeah hell yeah.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 7: We talk about Holly Berry, we talk about Beyonce, we
Speaker 7: we we talk about the j Lows of the world
Speaker 7: and others did you see Jane Kennedy walking out there
Speaker 7: in the construction site to start the movie.
Speaker 5: When when when when Bill Cosby was riding on that
Speaker 5: construction truck and stuff, but and he crashed into it.
Speaker 2: You know, I watched it at least once a week,
Speaker 2: just that scene.
Speaker 1: That's that's your favorite thing. Just that scene.
Speaker 5: Okay, Jay Kennedy, Jane Kennedy, and go back and look
Speaker 5: at that grim.
Speaker 2: I'm a Pam grim Man.
Speaker 1: Listen man, listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 2: That early on Pam Green when she was like listen,
Speaker 2: we did a movie with Pam Grid called Cinnamon Brow
Speaker 2: And and I don't really getting.
Speaker 1: But she's Pam Great.
Speaker 2: She's fam had to keep it together. I had to
Speaker 2: keep together my home. Pam Grush still looking good, smelling good.
Speaker 1: And let me say this to you.
Speaker 5: You bring up Pam Graham grip another well, of course
Speaker 5: nobody was Roquel Wells. Does not forget about off the Change.
Speaker 2: Jesus, we're doing this.
Speaker 1: Rachel cam back.
Speaker 5: He really back and just really back in. But I'm
Speaker 5: just saying, man, they got some stuff in the news
Speaker 5: right now because Steph Curry and the executive producing this
Speaker 5: animated version of Good Times whatever, people criticizing that all
Speaker 5: of that stuff. But I ain't bringing that up for
Speaker 5: that reason.
Speaker 1: I bring up the real good times. Oh shit with
Speaker 1: the Thelma.
Speaker 2: Thelma might have been the baddest chick on TV for
Speaker 2: me for about twenty years.
Speaker 1: Have you seen Thelma today?
Speaker 2: Thelma still bad?
Speaker 1: When you talk about black beauty. Lord, I just told
Speaker 1: somebody this story.
Speaker 2: You know, in my room.
Speaker 1: You come to my room, you see Jordan, you see
Speaker 1: Kenny Anderson. I was a huge Pearl Washington. I sudden, Lord,
Speaker 1: I sudden, thank you?
Speaker 5: So is that not the greatest show in the history
Speaker 5: of college basket d Wayne Pearl Washington this Syracuse.
Speaker 1: It was a line about that.
Speaker 2: It was a line about that, you got the list right, Lord,
Speaker 2: you got the list right. You put Pearl up there,
Speaker 2: didn't nobody even understand that was in there, right?
Speaker 1: And you know, had the audacity to tell me I was wrong.
Speaker 1: Oh JJ reddick you the fun he told me. I said,
Speaker 1: I think he just showed your youth. You just showed
Speaker 1: your youth. You're just young. You just I know, you
Speaker 1: know basketball.
Speaker 5: But you wear brown in his brestt like sibe like
Speaker 5: you go do not what the way Pearl Washington.
Speaker 1: What the way Pearl Washington.
Speaker 2: JJ Reddick does not know all cultural basketball. Okay, he
Speaker 2: knows what he knows.
Speaker 1: Okay, when you start digging through the crazy vinyls.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, that's what I'm talking. Come on, man,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's where I had to go.
Speaker 5: Who Lee Kenny Anderson with lead the Weapon three at
Speaker 5: Georgia Tech. Listen, Lord was a lionhe was the line
Speaker 5: when I talked about he gave it nobody joe Yoe Man.
Speaker 5: I love Bobby Hurley, Bobby Hurley, but but he sent
Speaker 5: Bobby Hurley to the bench crying to coach.
Speaker 1: Don't know what that was that liar, It's not the same.
Speaker 5: Oh, my goodness, my Lord Kenny Anderson. Now now Chris Jackson,
Speaker 5: my mode.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about the cultural heroes. Chris Jackson
Speaker 2: was winning. I think he was wearing some Bo Jackson's one.
Speaker 2: Listen listen, Yo, listen.
Speaker 5: The brother was average twenty nine w w SHA and
Speaker 5: big stands and stay.
Speaker 2: Big listen listen listen man, everything you be on, I'm
Speaker 2: on the same plateau. I forgot my damn questioning where
Speaker 2: we were born with all this, because.
Speaker 1: Come on, man.
Speaker 5: But wait a minute, before we leave that subject, I
Speaker 5: want to say this about Pam Grad Pam Gred marvelous, marvelous.
Speaker 5: I kind of figured and by the way, years later,
Speaker 5: to show you how bad she was.
Speaker 1: Years later she was.
Speaker 5: In into deep with Oh.
Speaker 1: Right, she was in there, right, she looked good that
Speaker 1: But let me say this to you.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna see it one more time, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 5: Let's do it again.
Speaker 1: That's the name of the movie.
Speaker 5: The opening scene, Jane Kennedy going walking. I challenged somebody
Speaker 5: to show me someone more beautiful than that.
Speaker 1: Woman was in that scene.
Speaker 2: Right, it's been in, Miss Parker. Yes, it's being miss
Speaker 2: park Miss Parker was warning the grass, Miss Parker. It
Speaker 2: was being in Miss Parker. Brown.
Speaker 1: I'm just being real with you. Hold on with some
Speaker 1: mother candy.
Speaker 2: Throw him out here. I know he got some hold.
Speaker 1: On Jane Kennedy.
Speaker 2: Bro, it's a it's a pale grill. She walking into
Speaker 2: the room. Look look, Vanity, yeah what about Yeah? Vanity?
Speaker 1: Vanity was nice? You remember what was that the dragon?
Speaker 1: Not Bruce Lee about she was in that one.
Speaker 2: Show message.
Speaker 5: That's what you know we're not saying. You say, show
Speaker 5: that movie, whatever the hell I title was, Okay, that
Speaker 5: dude right there, and and and you know what, and
Speaker 5: and she's trying to get with him and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: and and and showed him doing his martial arts and
Speaker 5: her theater and ship, and he loved it and then
Speaker 5: ran out because he came up with an idea and
Speaker 5: left us standing. The vanity was a bad chick, no doubt. Apolonial.
Speaker 5: Lets not forget her. We get Appolonia in preparing when
Speaker 5: she went into when she she thought she was jumping
Speaker 5: in the lake man the talk, but she wasn't. But
Speaker 5: damn it, we know who Appollonia is.
Speaker 1: Chili all that. But Jane Kennedy, you stuck on there,
Speaker 1: bro show me better. I ain't saying that. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about that scene. That scene.
Speaker 2: I got some better get a Yeah, I promised you
Speaker 2: you could think hard as hell.
Speaker 1: It ain't gonna find you, ain't gonna find it. You
Speaker 1: ain't gonna find it. Not better than that.
Speaker 2: Scene, Johnson, that's another's solid.
Speaker 1: No, No, no, I ain't saying all of them are.
Speaker 2: Grinn or not got you.
Speaker 1: No, No, this is not for examples.
Speaker 5: I'm great, all great, it's all, but it's not Jane
Speaker 5: Kennedy at the beginning. Uh damn it, don't make me,
Speaker 5: make me do it right. I'm just telling you. I'm
Speaker 5: just telling j Kennedy, bro, trust me on this.
Speaker 1: Trust me.
Speaker 2: I got a part of here.
Speaker 1: What do you say? What do you say? You know?
Speaker 1: He know? He don't you know? I'm telling you, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: What is your recollection on what this new TV deal
Speaker 2: is gonna look like for the league? I watched it.
Speaker 2: I watched a commercial with AT and T commercial and
Speaker 2: they had uh they had young Juju in it, they
Speaker 2: had Joel in it. And I'm watching just the whole
Speaker 2: yes special, super special. Shout to Juju, she's doing the thing.
Speaker 2: Shout to Joel doing this thing and all that. We
Speaker 2: ain't even talking about basketball, right, we didn't even get
Speaker 2: into that. But this is about you. Just wanted more
Speaker 2: about anything else. I wanted to come here, chat with you,
Speaker 2: you know, be as relaxed as we can be, and
Speaker 2: just see what was going on in your world. But
Speaker 2: I'm curious about this new uh NBA TV deal. I'm
Speaker 2: watching Balmber, I'm watching the Celtics. I'm watching people, I'm
Speaker 2: watching organizations feel like they're pulling their assets back and
Speaker 2: making the asset within the asset, not sharing it, not
Speaker 2: necessarily with the league. You know, I can, I can.
Speaker 2: I can remember in the past where you would have
Speaker 2: a dual cross breeding when it was promotion. Kobe's face,
Speaker 2: my face, and they were half it, and that brought
Speaker 2: the cities in Boston together, right, And I'm seeing that.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing now stuff like bamber Vision. I'm seeing stuff
Speaker 2: like what the Celtics are doing with their own stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm watching the Lakers have their own reality show. Is
Speaker 2: this the new wave of how we're going to see
Speaker 2: because linear TV is getting kind of body head getting
Speaker 2: beat up a little bit. Well, see, it's the new
Speaker 2: wave of what this deal is kind of a pulling
Speaker 2: or these small market assets really locking in their assets
Speaker 2: and their regions versus you know, everybody sharing.
Speaker 5: The thing about it is this The first order business
Speaker 5: they accomplished is when they took basketball related income and
Speaker 5: they reduced it from fifty seven. Because what happens is that, okay,
Speaker 5: there's a line that there's a shad that you're getting
Speaker 5: as ownership, all right, when it comes to player salaries
Speaker 5: and the investments that you got to make in players,
Speaker 5: you're establishing a degree of course certainty, so you know
Speaker 5: that as a result, you can compete to some degree
Speaker 5: because but so much you can spend, it's gonna be
Speaker 5: very punitive if you go over the luxury tax and
Speaker 5: stuff like that. And the rich stay rich because they
Speaker 5: know how to be cheap when they need to be cheap.
Speaker 1: So we understand that part.
Speaker 5: But in the larger markets, particularly if you're innovative enough,
Speaker 5: you can really really maximize the potential of your individual
Speaker 5: franchise and that's not going to be stopped. So the
Speaker 5: NBA will guard against that. But the streaming stratosphere has
Speaker 5: really opened things up. And what I would say to
Speaker 5: you is that you got to really really.
Speaker 1: Look at what the NFL did.
Speaker 5: They were on direct TV, but then they went to
Speaker 5: YouTube and they couldn't be happier by making that move.
Speaker 1: And it does look like a better product, the clarity.
Speaker 5: You know, of just the whole visual It just looks
Speaker 5: esthetically brilliant. On a part of the NFL just pops,
Speaker 5: It just pops more. Not only that, you got four
Speaker 5: games on one screen, so you don't have to sit
Speaker 5: up there and have three four multiple TVs or whatever.
Speaker 5: You could put three or four games on one screen,
Speaker 5: and then you know what, you can sit up there
Speaker 5: and you know, full screen any game that you want.
Speaker 5: So having the ability to do those things really really
Speaker 5: puts the NFL in a good position. The other leagues
Speaker 5: are watching because the NFL is the model. And so
Speaker 5: now you got the NBA, and they gonna make deals
Speaker 5: with TNT, They gonna make deals with ABC and ESPN,
Speaker 5: NBC probably is gonna want to get back into the mix.
Speaker 5: But make no mistake about it, they gonna make sure
Speaker 5: they have a digital platform to put their product on.
Speaker 5: And because you have a product to put you up,
Speaker 5: because you have a platform to put your product on
Speaker 5: in the digital stratosphere, that may attract more digital competition.
Speaker 1: Why is that relevant? We take a situation.
Speaker 5: ABC and ESPA or with Disney collaborate with Fox, collation,
Speaker 5: you know, Warner Brothers, Discovery, right, their market cap was
Speaker 5: projected to be at approximately a little under four hundred
Speaker 5: billion dollars, a lot of money.
Speaker 1: We get all of that. You know what Apple is,
Speaker 1: you know what Amazon.
Speaker 5: Is like over trillions, nearly three trillion apiece.
Speaker 1: You knows, if not a little over that.
Speaker 5: And so when you see that they just haven't really
Speaker 5: really delve into the world of sports because obviously these
Speaker 5: league rights fees coursed the load, and some of them
Speaker 5: don't want to pay it. And if you don't need
Speaker 5: to pay it, because you're already more valuable than anybody else,
Speaker 5: why do you need to do that? But if they
Speaker 5: decided that they wanted to get into it a bit more,
Speaker 5: who knows what the hell will happen?
Speaker 1: Netflix?
Speaker 5: What if they decide they really want to prestick their
Speaker 5: feet they're toes into the world of sports.
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen?
Speaker 5: So the leagues are looking at all of this and
Speaker 5: they're exploring what opportunities are available to them.
Speaker 1: And if you're the National Football League, if you're college.
Speaker 5: Football, if you're the NBA, you're gonna have a whole
Speaker 5: bunch of suitors.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a whole bunch of suitors.
Speaker 5: And if you're showing the ability, especially if they figure
Speaker 5: out how to monetize the streaming stratosphere to the degree
Speaker 5: they should, it's going it's gonna be off the charge
Speaker 5: that then we haven't even taken into account artificial intelligence
Speaker 5: AI and the kind of impact that that's going to have.
Speaker 1: In years to come. You gotta be dogged about your rights.
Speaker 5: You gotta make sure you own your rights, because if
Speaker 5: you don't, they could utilize it to their advantage, profit
Speaker 5: off of it, and you're gonna x out the casual fan.
Speaker 1: Think about it this way. Somebody told me the other
Speaker 1: day that it's projected that nearly.
Speaker 5: Two hundred million jobs will be lost in the next
Speaker 5: ten years. Now, that don't mean there won't be additional
Speaker 5: opportunities for you to get in the.
Speaker 1: World of AI.
Speaker 5: But because of the existence of AI, it's gonna move
Speaker 5: out the common man. I've never quite understood that, because
Speaker 5: I've said to myself, you need the common man and
Speaker 5: woman to feed in fuel capitalism. If they ain't, they
Speaker 5: ain't making any money. They can't go out there and
Speaker 5: spend What the hell you think is gonna happen to
Speaker 5: our nation if you elevate artificial intelligence at the price
Speaker 5: of actual human beings who go out there and patronize products,
Speaker 5: go to the restaurants, go to the movies.
Speaker 1: Go buy clothes, all of this, buy cars, oubms.
Speaker 5: What are you going to do? It makes no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 5: So I don't know how they're gonna figure that out.
Speaker 5: But knowing that all of that stuff is coming down
Speaker 5: the pike, you got to be aware of it.
Speaker 1: I had somebody do this to meet the other day.
Speaker 2: KG.
Speaker 1: They sat there and they presented something to me where
Speaker 1: it was me.
Speaker 5: Calling the super Bowl that just happened with San Francis
Speaker 5: gonna get yeah, oh fuck, looked like me, sound.
Speaker 1: Like me the oho shit. They showed it to me.
Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell? They said, that's artificial intelligence.
Speaker 5: So if you can do that, why do you think
Speaker 5: the actors and everybody sag aster and everything.
Speaker 1: Do you think they were going crazy?
Speaker 5: Because again, they want their rights, because if you can
Speaker 5: emulate or duplicate their work without them, where does that
Speaker 5: leave them in this business going down the line. And
Speaker 5: if you're the viewer, how would you know the difference?
Speaker 5: Because technology is so advanced, you might think it's them,
Speaker 5: but it's an AI version of them, and.
Speaker 1: You could barely tell the damn difference.
Speaker 5: This is the kind of world that we're about to encounter,
Speaker 5: and so owning our own stuff, making sure that we
Speaker 5: have ownership of our name, image, likeness, and all of
Speaker 5: that other stuff, it's become even more of a priority
Speaker 5: than ever before. Because the world is moving in a
Speaker 5: different direction and its threatening to leave anybody behind that
Speaker 5: isn't willing to keep up with the.
Speaker 2: Joneses and the loss and the loss don't support Right now,
Speaker 2: there are really no loss. To protect your name in likeness,
Speaker 2: you have to actually go out and incorporate your own
Speaker 2: and actually grab it, own it, get it up. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: This is where we are. It is crazy.
Speaker 2: The next two to three years are going to be
Speaker 2: life changing for probably us, everybody that's been living for
Speaker 2: the next last thirty five forty years. I really see
Speaker 2: a sense of how things are changing. I'm seeing things
Speaker 2: be demasculine. You know what I'm saying. I own know
Speaker 2: it's feminine. What is it fit?
Speaker 1: Femininity is heightened.
Speaker 2: I say this to say, how far are we from
Speaker 2: a women president? How far are we from women in
Speaker 2: stronger positions? I see Brazil had a woman president, of
Speaker 2: France had a women's president.
Speaker 1: But here's what I would tell you.
Speaker 5: If the FBI directed at the time James Comey hadn't
Speaker 5: come in at the last minute. It was some shit
Speaker 5: about Hillary and emails, and Hillary I believe had campaigned
Speaker 5: in Wisconsin and Philadelphia in the waning days before the election.
Speaker 5: I think you would have had a female president in
Speaker 5: the twenty and sixteen You think so, Yes, I also
Speaker 5: believe Oh.
Speaker 2: No, I think they so heavily in what they've done. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but track record wise, that's why he was able to
Speaker 2: dig on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying I think that she was that close.
Speaker 5: And I think that Michelle Obama would win right now
Speaker 5: if she would have run. I think that Michelle Obama
Speaker 5: would hands down be the next president of the United
Speaker 5: States if she would have run against Trump, the presumptive
Speaker 5: GOP nominee. Now that obviously is not going to happen.
Speaker 5: She doesn't seem to have an interest. But I only
Speaker 5: say all of that to say, like that with her,
Speaker 5: you like that. It depends on the person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like it.
Speaker 2: I like it, listen, like what it says.
Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 5: And here's the reason why we love women. We love
Speaker 5: what they meant to our lives. When I think about
Speaker 5: a woman in a leadership position, the first thing I
Speaker 5: think about is my mom. And when I think about
Speaker 5: what my mom meant to me, what a rock she was,
Speaker 5: and how many men I've seen have cowered away from
Speaker 5: their responsibilities to their families, to themselves. I can't sit
Speaker 5: here in good conscience and act like it's a challenge
Speaker 5: for me or any or should be a challenge for
Speaker 5: any of us to accept a woman in a leadership position.
Speaker 1: Women are leading all the time.
Speaker 5: They leading in corporate America, they're leading all over the place,
Speaker 5: and they're doing a hell of a job, to be
Speaker 5: quite honest.
Speaker 1: With you, that's right. Well, it's always in the background.
Speaker 5: I mean, I always have women in the back background
Speaker 5: supporting me, my sisters, and you know, my assistant, Sumatra
Speaker 5: and various other people.
Speaker 1: Has always been.
Speaker 5: Women that have been my rock, my foundation. So I
Speaker 5: don't really have an aversion to that. But that's an
Speaker 5: entirely different question than when we talk about our society
Speaker 5: and the wok culture that we're living in, and as
Speaker 5: a black man, it's pissed me off at how things
Speaker 5: have gotten.
Speaker 1: So we got.
Speaker 5: Xenophobia, we got people, you know, hating on immigrants. I'm
Speaker 5: not a proponent of illegal immigration. I think we need
Speaker 5: to control our borders, But in the same breath, I
Speaker 5: don't believe in separating families. I don't believe in throwing
Speaker 5: people out like the bath water and acting like they
Speaker 5: don't matter whatever. I just think that anybody that comes
Speaker 5: to this country should be documented and they should be
Speaker 5: paying taxes.
Speaker 1: Just like I paid taxes. That's it, that's all.
Speaker 5: Now we got that, we got homophobia, we got transphobia.
Speaker 1: Why do I bring all of that up? Racism has
Speaker 1: been thrown at the bottle of the barrel.
Speaker 5: I mean, you talk about black people experiencing racism in
Speaker 5: this country, folks, can bailey give a shit right now
Speaker 5: compared to the other issues going on. Why Because they've
Speaker 5: made sure their votes count. See what we've done, in
Speaker 5: my opinion as black folks, is we've made ourselves incredibly transparent.
Speaker 5: So we looking at the conservative folks and you've got
Speaker 5: folks from the black community questioning their racial sensitivities or
Speaker 5: calling the flat our races.
Speaker 1: So you're not gonna vote for them. Since Lyndon B.
Speaker 5: Johnson was the president of nineteen sixty four and he said,
Speaker 5: he said this right, and he said, if we vote,
Speaker 5: if we put civil rights legislation in the law, we'll
Speaker 5: have the negroes voting for us for the next two
Speaker 5: hundred years. And sure enough, since he did that, black
Speaker 5: folks have given the Democratic Party over ninety percent of
Speaker 5: our vote. So one side knows you're going to get
Speaker 5: their vote, so they could take you for granted.
Speaker 1: The other side knows.
Speaker 5: They have no chance in getting your vote, so they
Speaker 5: can ignore you. And we're the loan group without representation.
Speaker 5: But immigration, as much of a crisis as it may
Speaker 5: be at the borders right now, they actually benefit from
Speaker 5: that attention because somehow, some way, people are feeling compelled
Speaker 5: to get it under control, which means they're in the
Speaker 5: eye of the storm, which means their issues.
Speaker 1: Matter because whoever gets credit.
Speaker 5: For fixing the problem is going to get the Latino
Speaker 5: vote for years to come. And they are now the
Speaker 5: dominant minority because we had thirteen percent.
Speaker 1: The Hispanic community is at seven to eighteen percent.
Speaker 5: The US Census Bureau projects it's gonna be at over
Speaker 5: thirty percent in a few years, which means that they said,
Speaker 5: let's focus on their vote.
Speaker 1: The hell with black people.
Speaker 2: This is why immigration, this is why immigrations. If you're
Speaker 2: going off that formula, that's why we're having our border problems.
Speaker 5: And so I look at it from that standpoint, and
Speaker 5: people look at me and they say.
Speaker 1: You sports you support Yeah, but it's real life.
Speaker 5: And don't come to me with that sports shit, because
Speaker 5: the second you see an athlete and you think you
Speaker 5: can manipulate them into getting what you want, you put
Speaker 5: pressure on them.
Speaker 1: Bureau models, stand up, be your voice. You do all
Speaker 1: of this stuff to them.
Speaker 5: But now if you did agree with them, you want
Speaker 5: them to be quiet.
Speaker 1: Don't come to me with that. Nah. Let's be mindful,
Speaker 1: let's be cognizant.
Speaker 5: And most importantly, people who have the ability to create change,
Speaker 5: to make a difference, to have an impact. Why are
Speaker 5: you not using it for that? Why are you not
Speaker 5: using it for that? Because That's how I'm looking at it. Like,
Speaker 5: you know, we could say, I got the Democrats pissed
Speaker 5: off of me right now. I said Trump's kicking ass
Speaker 5: and they were like they were mad. I was like,
Speaker 5: what are you being mad at me for? He's been
Speaker 5: indicted on four charges ninety one counts, impeached twice, and
Speaker 5: still is running away with the GOP nominations.
Speaker 1: Y'all can't beat them. That's why you got all of this,
Speaker 1: You know, all in in court.
Speaker 5: The former president of the United States is in court
Speaker 5: right and in New York City because allegedly supposedly he
Speaker 5: paid the poor in star hush money.
Speaker 1: Really, that's what we're doing.
Speaker 5: This is another way he got something from a poor
Speaker 5: star and didn't want you to know because he got
Speaker 5: the conservative rights supporting them, so he kept it from
Speaker 5: you while he was running for the president of the
Speaker 5: United States.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, God, he did that. We gotta get him.
Speaker 5: Forget John Edwards, forget Gary Hart, for get Bill Clinton.
Speaker 5: Now now you want to do all of that, Come on, man,
Speaker 5: I'm just saying you're doing it because you can't beat.
Speaker 1: Them, because you can't beat them. That that's like, you
Speaker 1: know what it is that that.
Speaker 2: That's like, that's like making the rules as we're going.
Speaker 5: Remember when Shaq sat up there and said they the
Speaker 5: Sacramento Queens. He was pissed off because he got tired of,
Speaker 5: you know, flopping.
Speaker 1: Remember that.
Speaker 5: So I'm just this is the equivalent of that. You
Speaker 5: you know, you you you're using the Lord to try.
Speaker 1: And get them.
Speaker 5: You flopping because you can't beat him. And I'm like, damn,
Speaker 5: I don't plan on vote for him, but I'm looking
Speaker 5: at him and I'm like, look.
Speaker 1: He's whipping your ass. What you're gonna do about it?
Speaker 2: Look at our world. World up fucking damn man.
Speaker 5: And that's why it's got to be about business man.
Speaker 5: It's got to be about building your brand, being as
Speaker 5: successful as you could possibly be, making that money and
Speaker 5: what have you.
Speaker 1: Because you can't.
Speaker 5: Depend on the system, because the system continues to betray you.
Speaker 1: It's constantly, ever changing.
Speaker 5: It flows where it throws its finger up into the
Speaker 5: wind and sees where the wind is blown before it
Speaker 5: does anything, and it throws you.
Speaker 1: To the wolves. You can't you can't trust it.
Speaker 2: It's agenda driven. You can't trust it's agenda driven, and
Speaker 2: it's important for you to have your own. I think
Speaker 2: I actually like the conscious state of where we're at
Speaker 2: in the world. I think more people need to be
Speaker 2: more conscious of the square. You need to be conscious
Speaker 2: of your surrounding and vision. I never like to follow anybody, never,
Speaker 2: I ain't never been successful trying to follow somebody. So
Speaker 2: originality I'm always preaching that and the teaching parts. I
Speaker 2: think more of having people conscious now it's more evident
Speaker 2: to be able to bring more things to the to
Speaker 2: the plateau to right. I think with having from situations
Speaker 2: make you lock into some of the politics, it makes
Speaker 2: everyday people care.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Well, I think I do
Speaker 5: it because I'm I want people to know that I'm
Speaker 5: connected to ship that matters, that that's what I'm talking abo.
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not just talking about anything. You know,
Speaker 5: it matters. It impacts you, and you know you gotta
Speaker 5: have that.
Speaker 2: And politicians need to be accountable like just like any
Speaker 2: person that's in a professional has to be has to be.
Speaker 5: When I got on when I got on Conservatives years ago,
Speaker 5: it was because of sports that I jumped all over
Speaker 5: the whole Trump situation. I said, when he's sitting up
Speaker 5: there and he's acting the way that he's been acting,
Speaker 5: whether it's calling people out as be disrespectful, it's engaging in.
Speaker 1: Whatever level of lawlessness or whatever.
Speaker 5: I said, I just need all of y'all to explain
Speaker 5: to me how it's the Kappenic situation going on or
Speaker 5: there's something else, And you ready to hold twenty twenty
Speaker 5: five thirty year old athletes accountable more so than you're
Speaker 5: gonna hold at the time of seventy four seventy two,
Speaker 5: seventy four year old man who happens to be the
Speaker 5: president of the United States accountable. How is it that
Speaker 5: you can explain with a straight face that people who
Speaker 5: have the power to legislate our lives are held with
Speaker 5: less accountability than a professional athlete. You don't have to
Speaker 5: go watch see him at the arena, you don't have
Speaker 5: to go watch him on television, you don't have to
Speaker 5: bother you don't have to do any of that. You
Speaker 5: could just choose not to support them, not to watch them,
Speaker 5: and you're literally holding him accountable.
Speaker 1: Well, they're a role model. Well, what the hell is
Speaker 1: the president supposed to be?
Speaker 3: Fact?
Speaker 1: What the hell is the senator government? What are you
Speaker 1: talking about with a governor?
Speaker 2: A man?
Speaker 1: What are you supposed to be?
Speaker 5: If the athlete is supposed to be the role model,
Speaker 5: what are you supposed to be?
Speaker 2: And keep it real, We're supposed to go in the
Speaker 2: past and catch some of this yesteryear's ship and bring
Speaker 2: you back up. That's right, Tulsa never got that's right. Georgia,
Speaker 2: the son of the the Lake, it's got the whole thing,
Speaker 2: Central Park, it's got the whole You feel what I'm saying?
Speaker 5: All that, all that, all of that, And so I
Speaker 5: make folks uncomfortable because I bring that up and when
Speaker 5: I'm and then you might have people in the world
Speaker 5: of sports, like I've gotten too certain issues with coaches
Speaker 5: and other people, right, and they might get mad. They
Speaker 5: might try to come at me because or they don't
Speaker 5: like what I said, or whatever.
Speaker 1: The case may be.
Speaker 5: And I and I'll look at I'll be on TV,
Speaker 5: and I'll look at in a certain way.
Speaker 1: And I'll be like, yeah, I know why you don't
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying, because you know, they got
Speaker 5: they got other ship going on, you know, like they
Speaker 5: might flow with a politician, they might flow with a
Speaker 5: particular issue. They might flow with it, but you ain't
Speaker 5: want to say it, you see, And I and and
Speaker 5: and when the players all, you know, rally around them
Speaker 5: and support and I'll be like this, to move the
Speaker 5: hell out the way.
Speaker 1: I'm looking right at.
Speaker 5: That, that coach or that executive, whatever you got ship
Speaker 5: to do with it, My your damn business.
Speaker 1: You being users upon.
Speaker 5: Trust me, that ain't the issue they got with me.
Speaker 5: It's deeper than that. But if you playing games, you
Speaker 5: playing a game and you ain't paying attention to the
Speaker 5: shit I'm paying attention to, of course you're gonna think
Speaker 5: like that. But I'm thinking differently. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's like I remember when Grey Popovichi called up.
Speaker 1: He called up a show and because he was playing
Speaker 1: about Trump. I love that. Why because you're showing what
Speaker 1: you think about Steve.
Speaker 5: Kerr going ballistic in all us rightfully so, by the way,
Speaker 5: about some of the politics that were gonna play, bringing
Speaker 5: up the bills that weren't being passed by name and number, Like, Yo,
Speaker 5: this is what's going on. And I'm like, yeah, finally
Speaker 5: you saying it, because this goes on all the time.
Speaker 5: They just don't admit that, and they ain't talking to
Speaker 5: the players about that, and they ain't telling them about
Speaker 5: this stuff what you really feeling on purpose. But I know,
Speaker 5: and because I know, because I'm connected to people who
Speaker 5: communicate with cats like that. I'm sitting there like this,
Speaker 5: y'all move out the way this between me in them.
Speaker 1: They know what that. They know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know exactly what I'm saying, and it is to
Speaker 5: make him uncomfortable, so be it.
Speaker 2: So be it.
Speaker 1: That's what rebels with the cause.
Speaker 2: Do they say to have a presence, it's a cost disruption,
Speaker 2: and true disruption is honored No, you don't even know
Speaker 2: if somebody's in the room, if they're not a presence.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I totally get it. What's
Speaker 2: what's next for you? Man? Like I see everything you're
Speaker 2: doing and hurd all this.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I love see men. I can talk to you for
Speaker 2: like a whole day. Bro. You man, I'm glad we
Speaker 2: ain't here drinking. I'm glad we got water. No no,
Speaker 2: do not bring out no liquor. No, no church is good.
Speaker 1: We can.
Speaker 2: We can toe dominated the chamber and it's sports.
Speaker 1: Wow the grass.
Speaker 2: We can. We don't know what you gotta do next?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying with the man out here. Look,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, king and certified and got been.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm.
Speaker 5: Saying the way you know now we got to hear
Speaker 5: his top.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we gotta do that, man. But thank you man,
Speaker 1: well deserved by. I'm proud of you.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: You're doing your thing.
Speaker 2: You hear me.
Speaker 1: I like this, man, that's move smooth.
Speaker 2: What is this churn.
Speaker 1: Works for? Me's gonna have us been on this mother?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: That's cool. Put in the go cup up.
Speaker 2: Man, I gotta I gotta ask you bro Top five
Speaker 2: MC's man. Let me hear your all time.
Speaker 5: Let me answer that first question first in terms of
Speaker 5: what's next.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my bad, my fault. I didn't even give
Speaker 2: you that. My bad.
Speaker 1: What's next?
Speaker 5: My production company, discovering talent, giving them an opportunity to shine,
Speaker 5: coaching some of these cats about what's out here in
Speaker 5: the world and how the maneuver your way through the
Speaker 5: mind field. It rude to really really making a difference.
Speaker 5: I definitely want to do that. I want to develop
Speaker 5: television shows, movies while still doing my own thing. Yes,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get into acting more. I'm gonna actually take
Speaker 5: it seriously and I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna do some acting. Oh you go to school, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take take some classes the whole.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, I'm gonna need no brown baby, you
Speaker 5: know brown, i'na pull shit off.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: something like that. I'm telling you that right now.
Speaker 2: You know I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Do all of that. I'm gonna do all of that.
Speaker 1: But you know.
Speaker 5: The goal is to be successful enough to be able
Speaker 5: to hire people, to bring people along to help us grow.
Speaker 5: I'm not anti anything, you know, But I'm pro black
Speaker 5: and I'll never.
Speaker 1: Apologize for that.
Speaker 5: And so it's like, yeah, I'm gonna hire white folks
Speaker 5: just like I'm hire Latinos or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I'm always hire us too.
Speaker 5: And I want I want talent, and I want to
Speaker 5: be able to develop and grow, but in the same breath,
Speaker 5: I gotta take care of myself. And so you know,
Speaker 5: I got a contract coming up with the ESPN.
Speaker 1: Who knows what that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 5: We'll see what's gonna happen with that, and and and
Speaker 5: and whether or not I'm gonna stay or or I
Speaker 5: have to move on. I doubt that I'll have to
Speaker 5: move on. They definitely made it clear they want me
Speaker 5: to stay. They know I don't mind doing first take,
Speaker 5: but in order for me to do anything beyond first take,
Speaker 5: it has to be worth my while. And that's just
Speaker 5: where I'm at with it. So it remains to be
Speaker 5: seen what's gonna happen. But that's my vision in terms
Speaker 5: of just really helping us get along. Now, these five rappers,
Speaker 5: five rappers that you asked me about MCS.
Speaker 2: You do I don't like the world raptors.
Speaker 1: Hip hop listen. This is me man. It's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 1: I hate, I actually hate.
Speaker 5: I hate this subject because I always got to leave
Speaker 5: people off that I got so much love for jy
Speaker 5: Z to me is tops.
Speaker 2: He's number one, number one.
Speaker 1: I got j number.
Speaker 6: You got number one because God, because you got cats
Speaker 6: who play some ship you can dance too. You got
Speaker 6: cast to say ship that make you think you got cast,
Speaker 6: that you could just lay down and listen to. You
Speaker 6: got cast and you want to thump once you ride
Speaker 6: it once you once you, when you once you riding
Speaker 6: through Calabasas or wherever it is else.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be all that kind of ship.
Speaker 5: That's true. Jay Z can do all of that. He
Speaker 5: don't let you down.
Speaker 1: Versatility, the versatility.
Speaker 5: I gotta put him there. I can't with that as
Speaker 5: a criteria. I can't leave out Biggie and Tupac. I cannot.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, I think if Tupac were
Speaker 5: alive all of these years and have never left us,
Speaker 5: I think Tupac will be.
Speaker 1: Number one music.
Speaker 5: He was because he was an activist. Biggie was brilliant,
Speaker 5: but he was an activist. And because he has an
Speaker 5: active this mentality, had an activist mentality, spirit and spirit.
Speaker 5: I think I would have put him number one. But
Speaker 5: since he hasn't been here for so long, and jay
Speaker 5: Z has elevated the way that he has and has
Speaker 5: withstood the test of time, I'm gonna put jay Z
Speaker 5: at number one. I'm gonna put Pocket number two. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna put Biggie at number three. It gets real, real
Speaker 5: tricky from there because nas eminem uh and let me
Speaker 5: tell you something. Now, you know, I come from the
Speaker 5: days of it being rock camp, you know, KRS one.
Speaker 5: I remember when the Big Daddy came and when you
Speaker 5: know when him and and my god him in LLL
Speaker 5: was going at it, I mean born now, I mean
Speaker 5: lll ll listen, ll well, don't get enough, don't get
Speaker 5: enough luck, ll don't get enough luck.
Speaker 1: And then you got to remember, I'm from Hollis, from Quez.
Speaker 1: So that's one dm C jam Master Jay. He was best.
Speaker 5: Friends with my late brother god Rest both this soulis,
Speaker 5: you know. So it was like we grew up right
Speaker 5: up the block from each other. I mean I grew
Speaker 5: up one hundred yards from Jim Master and say I
Speaker 5: saw him all the time. I knew who run was
Speaker 5: messing with. He was messing with this girl on my
Speaker 5: block long before he got married. Get met his wife
Speaker 5: and got married.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how far we go back.
Speaker 5: So I'm looking at fitty, respect the hell out of
Speaker 5: you know, all of these cats, you know, Heavy D
Speaker 5: and the boys. This is where I come from. You understand,
Speaker 5: Fat Joe got loved for him. We got to give
Speaker 5: him respect all of that ship. But if I had
Speaker 5: to go with four and five, I had to go
Speaker 5: with four and five.
Speaker 2: You got some Southern playerlistics in there. You got some
Speaker 2: you got some Texas boys in there. You got some
Speaker 2: Midwest boys in there.
Speaker 1: You got something boys by men.
Speaker 2: University, I know you university stew.
Speaker 5: Let me say with with Dre, he's not a hip
Speaker 5: hop artist. I mean he's not like he's not I'm not.
Speaker 2: Said, okay, okay, producer music.
Speaker 5: There's only one of one's. Doctor Dre is is headed.
Speaker 5: I mean I idolized this brother. That's why my bucket
Speaker 5: list to interviewed that brother.
Speaker 1: I love doctor Dre love I love him.
Speaker 5: Snoops my oh my god, my god. I got to
Speaker 5: put I got to put snoop up there. I'm like,
Speaker 5: how I mean I gotta put snoop for I gotta
Speaker 5: put I just gotta do.
Speaker 1: I gotta put snoop. You know not now now eminem
Speaker 1: and now's belonging then you know that right? You know you?
Speaker 5: I mean, oh my god, damn.
Speaker 1: West side covering from the west side. Yeah, man, you
Speaker 1: know how Orange and the crew, I mean all of them.
Speaker 5: Man, he's forty water right, all right, all right, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna have to say.
Speaker 1: This the fifth one.
Speaker 2: You got one more, man.
Speaker 5: I gotta put ll test the time, I gotta put l.
Speaker 5: I'm not then I apologize Nas. I love not love
Speaker 5: Noads so much love listen. But like, for example, you
Speaker 5: see cats rapping right, and they look at NOAs because
Speaker 5: Nas is so scientific.
Speaker 1: He's a surgeon with his ship. He's so brilliant. Got
Speaker 1: mad love for him, the whole nine. But but here's
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 5: Everybody don't get it from him.
Speaker 1: Everybody get l L L L is like he Hollywood.
Speaker 1: But he's still, he's still, He's still.
Speaker 5: He don't let you down, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And the versatility and he's with still the test of time.
Speaker 2: L L just battles.
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, man, you without question and then you,
Speaker 5: I mean, and a businessman, an actor. Ella is a
Speaker 5: brilliant brother man, a brilliant brother mad loving. But I
Speaker 5: can't leave Snoop out.
Speaker 1: I just can't. And you know, by the way, I
Speaker 1: gotta bring this up.
Speaker 5: I really really liked Doctor Dre showed Super Bowl halftime
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: It was special Mary J.
Speaker 5: Fiddy and then whatever, how do you have Snoop on
Speaker 5: that stage in l A and you don't have him play.
Speaker 1: What's My Name?
Speaker 5: How I'm not I've been loving Doctor Dre for decades.
Speaker 1: It is to this day.
Speaker 5: The only negative I had how was that?
Speaker 1: Could you imagine as to what ever god, I mean,
Speaker 1: could if they have played that but with Snoop? Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Every every since the famous nipple with just a tip
Speaker 2: of Lake and Jenna Jackson j Jackson showing that tity
Speaker 2: on a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 3: Ha, get two seconds of that? We out right, man.
Speaker 1: The NFL has been playing it safe every since. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that that okay place.
Speaker 2: I'm saying you got Snoop in l A. You to
Speaker 2: play that this whole.
Speaker 1: You could clean it up, though, man, it has the
Speaker 1: whole inger Wood whole you could clean it, clean up
Speaker 1: effect of the song.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, And it would have had the
Speaker 2: whole it had been a bunch of Indian white.
Speaker 1: People like no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: Turn down.
Speaker 1: It was one month. If it was one moment, if
Speaker 1: it was one moment, one moment.
Speaker 5: Where the world would have forgiven the NFL, it would
Speaker 5: have been for that.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. It would have brought the house down.
Speaker 1: Brought the house down. How do you not play that song?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: That is? That is all.
Speaker 5: That is the only critique I've had of doctor dre.
Speaker 2: Right there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's you don't play that song? That's the
Speaker 1: one song you have to play, and he didn't do it.
Speaker 2: That was the best halftime show for me.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you this though, I'll tell you it was,
Speaker 5: but I tell you pick your poisons.
Speaker 1: Depends your taste. Beyonce with Bruno Mars.
Speaker 2: That was like cold Play. Yeah listen, yo, listen, yo listen.
Speaker 2: I'm a Rihanna fan. That ship Rihanna did. I was thinking,
Speaker 2: that's ship. I was looking at Rihanna and yo yo,
Speaker 2: she she suspended yo. Hold on first though she's pregnant. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's suspended in there. They got it in there. You
Speaker 2: see this, you see what I want. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I feel you that was a show.
Speaker 1: But when it was a show, show, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But Beyonce, Bruno mars let me tell that, Bruno mars
Speaker 5: By myself. You know he Mindernave, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson,
Speaker 5: o Key, Bruno.
Speaker 1: Mars Key special, very special special. But when him and
Speaker 1: Beyonce and cold Play did it together.
Speaker 4: Stop stops, she didn't. She was fired. That that was fired.
Speaker 4: She did a sweat suit. You talk about the next
Speaker 4: sweat draft, y'all was higher than Giraffe.
Speaker 3: I know it.
Speaker 2: The lid would sweating. I feel you had your hair.
Speaker 2: She was taking like somebody Auntie in that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Boy who.
Speaker 2: That ship was the hardest.
Speaker 1: I forgot about Whitney. Excuse me.
Speaker 5: That wasn't halftime, That wouldn't half to pre game get there.
Speaker 1: Oh that's oh my god, that one had time. So
Speaker 1: I'm not confused.
Speaker 5: I know my ship now, that would not happen.
Speaker 1: That had time. Okay, I'm just telling you what I know.
Speaker 5: Whitney is nice and by the way, national anthem since
Speaker 5: we brought that up. We religiously say that's the greatest
Speaker 5: national anthem we've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston. Fair enough. So we're just gonna igno Marvin Gang.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in l A n B A All Star Weekend,
Speaker 5: we're just gonna ignore that performance by the late great
Speaker 5: Marvin Gang.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite floor? What's your favorite saying it's fluid? Fluid,
Speaker 2: it's fluid, it's.
Speaker 5: Fluid, it's all right, Well, then make it fluid. It
Speaker 5: ain't definitive about Whitney's fluid.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm trying to say. Come on, y'all correct.
Speaker 2: It was not a halftime show that I am about
Speaker 2: to thought about.
Speaker 1: It was not a halftime ship.
Speaker 2: And she just poured, hopped out, did that and jump
Speaker 2: right back in and got our shot.
Speaker 1: That's right right. She didn't leave. She stayed in the game.
Speaker 1: Stiff again, Stiff again. We're gonna show yourself.
Speaker 2: I want you to Oh ship, Oh ship.
Speaker 4: That's J Kennedy, that's George Foreman.
Speaker 1: Look at look a look at it. Look it again.
Speaker 1: Look hard. Did you see that? You shouldn't have to
Speaker 1: look at her? Look at this woman right there.
Speaker 5: That is J Kennedy, my brother halle Berry before halle Berry.
Speaker 2: That was hard damn, Jane. Keep looking what Jane, it
Speaker 2: ain't really looking Bill.
Speaker 1: Cosby, right, look at this woman right there? Look at
Speaker 1: hard Now watch them, Lord have mercy.
Speaker 2: This is the scepties. Bro, mister, I'm gonna go watch
Speaker 2: this today. Look at Bill Co's about the fucking all
Speaker 2: the way else watch he rescue bills.
Speaker 1: Watching you see this woman?
Speaker 5: Yes, I try to tell you, Jane Kennedy, he jumped out.
Speaker 1: The damn lift.
Speaker 2: What. Oh, there's some fucking going on in the set here.
Speaker 2: Oh there's some fucking going all along in this movie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we got to that's a great shape if
Speaker 2: that was true?
Speaker 1: What but if it was I understand.
Speaker 2: Certified Stephen Man. But this is my manager made from
Speaker 2: custom guys. They gotta they got a gift for you.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 2: This is some of all the capsule. It ain't a
Speaker 2: bunch of shit, but it's simple stife.
Speaker 1: Like this like this. I like this.
Speaker 2: I want to I want to get your take on it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I know you're a clean brother.
Speaker 2: I know you like a salon stuff quality. I like
Speaker 2: all of the simple stuff.
Speaker 1: So is this right here?
Speaker 2: This is this is. This is just a you know,
Speaker 2: creation of it right here?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Check it out?
Speaker 1: Now this ship works.
Speaker 2: So I had the I had, I had, I brought
Speaker 2: Sam Cassell, who you got?
Speaker 1: You got? You gotta be courageous to wear this right here.
Speaker 1: You can't just wear this. You gotta be courageous to
Speaker 1: wear this because you know this. Did you stepping out
Speaker 1: when you're wearing this right here?
Speaker 2: You gotta be right right?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You gotta have some.
Speaker 5: Confidence with you, no doubt, Sam, you gotta saying I
Speaker 5: am out head.
Speaker 2: Check this out. Some custom gods they want to be
Speaker 2: able to present you with something you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, bro, thank you for coming.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much. Man.
Speaker 1: Can I open it?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Let me see this? No, no, I'm good. I want
Speaker 1: to see this.
Speaker 2: I want to open it.
Speaker 1: I want to see what you gave me. Help over
Speaker 1: it's taped up? How it is?
Speaker 2: He got it?
Speaker 1: Oh? Damn right? Okay, all right, okay, okay.
Speaker 5: You know what for you, I'm gonna wall this ship
Speaker 5: when I got to.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Anything else here, get your information. We take care of you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, no doubt that.
Speaker 2: Thank you man.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you, bro, though, proud of you man.
Speaker 1: You know, keep doing your thing. Yo. We got to
Speaker 1: hook up for the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Come on my show, let's get it.
Speaker 5: Then we got to bring our basketball analysis up in there,
Speaker 5: because we know, we know some people.
Speaker 1: Now you ready, you know everybody ain't ready, they ain't.
Speaker 5: Ready to listen list and that you would meet break
Speaker 5: it down the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You are all in a way right in here with
Speaker 1: I'm good with.
Speaker 2: That's h