Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, Welcome to the fourth week of Spooktober.
Speaker 1: I can see if he's face right now as I
Speaker 1: come in. I just thought I saw you roll your eyes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I was just I was just like
Speaker 1: looking over because I'm bad, uh with remembering names of things,
Speaker 1: and so I keep looking at this in front of me.
Speaker 1: What you'll hear in just a second. I don't want
Speaker 1: to spoil this, okay, So welcome Tontificent. I am Danny Fernandez,
Speaker 1: and I sitting across from Danny. I know you're like, man,
Speaker 1: last week's intro was way spook here like it had
Speaker 1: the production value off the charts, the music, the bars.
Speaker 1: This one still has the how. I've been enjoying the
Speaker 1: How a lot, okay, but we wanted a Danny ramp. No,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Spook, I'm not going to do that
Speaker 1: to myself. Someone's gonna I'm gonna gets some of them
Speaker 1: pull it up later and you might have be the
Speaker 1: next CARDI b They're like, oh, she had bars. Actually
Speaker 1: sometimes I do get a drink in me. I definitely, yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll take one of the other two amigos. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm single, so yeah, you have take off in Quevo.
Speaker 1: Now I do Likeevo. Okay, you like mouse like men
Speaker 1: if you do know me though, right, yeah, look I
Speaker 1: love you Quevo, but you also you know you have
Speaker 1: mouse like features. Okay, So yes, welcome to the fourth
Speaker 1: week of October. Yes, and today we're getting we were
Speaker 1: talking about a pretty spooky creator, which is great because
Speaker 1: we have a spooky creator as a guest. You know,
Speaker 1: you may know him as a co creator of thrilling
Speaker 1: Adventure Hour, and soon you'll know him as the writer
Speaker 1: of the smash hit the future Eisner Award winning comic
Speaker 1: book hex Wives. Coming to the stage, I mean coming
Speaker 1: to the stands a long day. It's always a long
Speaker 1: day when we come in. It's always like eight or
Speaker 1: nine at night, coming to the stands from d C
Speaker 1: and Vertical Comics. This cover is looking real nice, got
Speaker 1: some real spooky vibes. You know, I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: go see it because I I can describe it to you,
Speaker 1: but then you might be like, yeah, well, also I
Speaker 1: don't want people to be like, if you described it,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get it. Go get the comic book.
Speaker 1: Oh it has some spicies. Oh yeah, So now people
Speaker 1: are rushing to the stands. They're like, this girl looks
Speaker 1: like me. If you ever want to send me some
Speaker 1: spicy situations, well art right here. It's like being on
Speaker 1: tumbler scenes. You know, some people have done art of me.
Speaker 1: I send it to you. Sometimes it's a little offensive.
Speaker 1: You know, my knows doesn't look like that. They all
Speaker 1: can't be monaise. I'm gonna have to get some picassos
Speaker 1: in the mix too. I'm sorry, can you please introduce
Speaker 1: our guest? Oh yeah, I've never said his name because
Speaker 1: of course I didn't been black or everyone. Hey, how's it?
Speaker 1: How was it just seeing us just go into a
Speaker 1: tangent and completely ignore you after you wanted to hear it?
Speaker 1: I listen several items. First of all, I would love
Speaker 1: if before this comic hits the stands, it hits the stage. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll put it up on the show. I
Speaker 1: don't know actually how much of this we can Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we'll do a live reading of this at the Improv
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. Come down in Melrows doing a live reading
Speaker 1: of hex Wives and uh soon to be bumped by
Speaker 1: Christ'eliah doing sixty minutes of shouting into a mic. Uh Secondly,
Speaker 1: I loved that Danny was leafing through it as you
Speaker 1: were talking, and seeing her reaction was so satisfying. And
Speaker 1: I would kind of love if you just read the
Speaker 1: comic what we said just silently. I feel like our one.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the artwork and it is really cool.
Speaker 1: But to like ore, we're doing October. Our fans are
Speaker 1: really in the spooky stuff. And three, they are also
Speaker 1: into the spicies. We know that they are. They follow
Speaker 1: Iffie and I. They definitely are, so yeah, and that's cool.
Speaker 1: Have you been over at the d C offices I have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was over there recently for with MAD. They're there too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Are you doing stuff for Mad? Uh? No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like pitching them stuff. But I was
Speaker 1: over there for a twitch stream that they did, so
Speaker 1: I was a guest or whatever on there. But my
Speaker 1: friend um Ali Gertz is one of the editors there.
Speaker 1: She's awful. She's a bad person. Yeah. And then our friend,
Speaker 1: our friend Hector Navarro is a host DC Daily. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I think I'm doing. I just heard I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to do Daily like next week. Yeah. Hector has with
Speaker 1: him he has an encyclopedic knowledge of comics and like
Speaker 1: a true appreciation love of all things, Like it's very
Speaker 1: hard for him to dislike anything which is good. I
Speaker 1: feel like in the Nerds space you need more that,
Speaker 1: Like there's so much energy towards hate because good, good
Speaker 1: rants get clicks, you know, good praises get skipped. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not what I really love about the show, if
Speaker 1: you'll allow. Oh yeah, of course. Is that you to
Speaker 1: celebrate the things you love rather than taking two tasks
Speaker 1: you don't care for that, Yeah, it's okay. Danielle dropped
Speaker 1: like five f bombs last time and I caught them
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh here this here we do
Speaker 1: a bleep here? Yeah, she was, she was, she was
Speaker 1: going a hammer and I was all about it because
Speaker 1: for Buffy. Ye, So before we even jump into Alfred Hitchcock,
Speaker 1: I want to give you a chance to kind of
Speaker 1: tell us about Hex. Why let the listeners know what
Speaker 1: it's about, what they're in store for. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I feel like if people listen to this podcast, then
Speaker 1: they are into the stuff that I am into, which
Speaker 1: means they will like this book because it's like made
Speaker 1: of all the stuff I'm into. The hex Wives is
Speaker 1: basically Bewitched plus the Stepford Wives. It's about a powerful
Speaker 1: coven of witches who is being held against their knowledge
Speaker 1: by a cabal of men who fear them and therefore
Speaker 1: try to control them. So the first six issues finds
Speaker 1: them all of the suburban housewives, and they don't know
Speaker 1: that's that they are actually these powerful which is um.
Speaker 1: So it's a literal empowerment story. It's also kind of
Speaker 1: a documentary about America. Yeah. I was gonna try and
Speaker 1: make that joke and then you beat me to the punchline. Oh,
Speaker 1: I will not shut up your show. Feel free to shove. Well, no,
Speaker 1: this is great because one of these because everyone didn't
Speaker 1: get to hear you before. You are so excited to
Speaker 1: talk Alfred Hitchcock, And I will say, as much of
Speaker 1: a fan I am of him, I am not versed
Speaker 1: in his catalog, Like I think the ones I've seen
Speaker 1: is Rear Window, some of Birds, Yeah, mostly by some
Speaker 1: of Birds. I mean that scene where she's in the
Speaker 1: phone booth and she's like these birds. Um. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know I skipped Psycho and saw the sequel American Psycho. Uh,
Speaker 1: I know, I definitely want like I've have you never
Speaker 1: seen Psycho. I've always been afraid to because I grew
Speaker 1: up out here. So we would go to Universal Studios
Speaker 1: and we'd go by the Psycho House and the music,
Speaker 1: and it scared me so much. I was always afraid
Speaker 1: to see the movie. And then there was a point
Speaker 1: where it's like, I definitely need to see this movie.
Speaker 1: But then it was just it was before Netflix, and
Speaker 1: then you know, then you get backlogged, and there's been
Speaker 1: so many nights have been like I need to see
Speaker 1: all the movies I haven't seen. Uh, buckle up before
Speaker 1: we get into this. I'm about to make a few
Speaker 1: nerds fall out their seats and sit down. Here's a
Speaker 1: list of like, need to see movies I have not
Speaker 1: seen yet. I have been seen Princess Bride, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen Uh Monty Python. Holy Grail. To see someone go
Speaker 1: to Monty Python is hilarious because someone just like at
Speaker 1: first did wasn't gonna fall out. I'm turning this off.
Speaker 1: Listen if you listener, if you disagree with me about
Speaker 1: Monty Python, by two of my books, that'll show me. Yeah, dude, dude,
Speaker 1: give give give been the Nike treatment. It's me Bernard
Speaker 1: Bins I'll take it. I'll listen before this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a ten minute thing about Hitchcock, but every we'll
Speaker 1: talk about everything else for fifty minutes. Um. My favorite
Speaker 1: Monty Python and I am you know, I came to
Speaker 1: it as a young person. My favorite Monty Python show
Speaker 1: or film is the documentary about the making of Monty Python,
Speaker 1: because I love behind the scenes stuff. But I only
Speaker 1: like Monty Python. Okay, Like I like all those guys.
Speaker 1: I think they're funny. I want to watch them talk
Speaker 1: about their process. But none of the movies are the
Speaker 1: show really grabbing. I've never seen Citizen Kane. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: a little boring. Yeah, there's a couple like that in
Speaker 1: that wheelhouse that I think are all the same movie.
Speaker 1: I've never I've missed it and I never cared to
Speaker 1: see it until like it became such a point of
Speaker 1: contention because of a certain host I used to work
Speaker 1: for who married into the family and uh and it
Speaker 1: was you know, it was like ever, it just was
Speaker 1: so taboo. Yeah, there's only one person in this town
Speaker 1: married to a hearst uh. Which that's when you do
Speaker 1: your Citizen Kane episode, you will explain that Citizen is
Speaker 1: based on the Hearst family. Yeah, oh man, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: Schindler's List. I was going to say too, and I
Speaker 1: really Oh it's hilarious. I know what it's about, but
Speaker 1: I kind of get Citizen Are They both like yeah that,
Speaker 1: but are dealing with judicial prisoner shows. One is a
Speaker 1: Holocaust movie and the other one is a bad rich man. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the Man, Yeah, I guess yeah, that's what I
Speaker 1: got confused. Yeah, they're both great movies, make no mistake.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I've seen It's Wonderful Life
Speaker 1: like fifteen times, which is a better movie than both
Speaker 1: of us. I've seen him like yeah multiple Christmas is Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the last thing I'll say is you'd be surprised
Speaker 1: like it was funny because like it was not like
Speaker 1: we were in the writer's room just like cranking out
Speaker 1: Citizen Kane. But it felt like it felt like as
Speaker 1: soon as they got married for some reason, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of Citizen Kane jokes. So so it's a
Speaker 1: it was very weird um all round. I would love
Speaker 1: if you two did an episode about people's like gaps
Speaker 1: in nerd knowledge. It would be oh man, that would
Speaker 1: be a good like runner to do where it is
Speaker 1: like a flip where we find something we like, I
Speaker 1: do bring in so one who's like a huge princess
Speaker 1: bride or Monty python head and they just just dumb.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of what this is gonna be
Speaker 1: full disclosure with Alfred Hitchcock, which is why I'm so
Speaker 1: excited that you're jazzed on it. Because if we aren't
Speaker 1: the source of like excitement and knowledge, we like to
Speaker 1: have a guest on who is that source? Because that's
Speaker 1: what this is about. Is really just this show is
Speaker 1: the equivalent of when you're getting your friend into something
Speaker 1: that you're into and you're just like this and this
Speaker 1: and uh so let's jump right into it and start
Speaker 1: off with Alfred Hitchcock's youth instead of that. Can I
Speaker 1: make a suggestion, I don't have that thing that you're
Speaker 1: both looking at in front of me. But I think
Speaker 1: and I'm not so interested in biography of people because
Speaker 1: I don't care about people. Um. I think the best
Speaker 1: way or about a good way to talk about Hitchcock
Speaker 1: is to look at his three best movies, because he
Speaker 1: made three masterpieces basically um Psycho, Vertigo and Rear Window
Speaker 1: and way that was hilarious because I'm sorry, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just i gotta let the listeners know what just Danny
Speaker 1: was in full agreement for for a time and was
Speaker 1: they were. They were bonding and connecting on such a level.
Speaker 1: And then by the time the end of that list hit,
Speaker 1: it was like someone took a knife and cut that
Speaker 1: bond in half and they both shot away from each other.
Speaker 1: And I was like, whoa, I only know one of
Speaker 1: those movies. Um, um m, well, no, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: We normally like to give like a tiny bit of
Speaker 1: the back story for the person. And also we're clearly
Speaker 1: going to talk about the birds. Oh no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying solely about because then there's like the second tier,
Speaker 1: like great movie like north By Northwest is a great
Speaker 1: but it's not a masterpiece. Yeah, and never get into that.
Speaker 1: And and to be honest, this is what we to
Speaker 1: be honest on our show. Uh, we do get kind
Speaker 1: of you know, diing from people that are like, we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about this, and you didn't talk about this episode.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we literally can't you know? And and it
Speaker 1: sounds a person like you already know that episode really well,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what I mean. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: like to hear ya. That is, like I do tend
Speaker 1: to go first to the episodes where I'm like, when
Speaker 1: that Buffy episode came out, yes, I want to hear
Speaker 1: all you enjoy it. We picked like the one and
Speaker 1: we let Danielle pick them, but it was also ones
Speaker 1: that had been ranked and also by Joss is like
Speaker 1: his favorite ones and so but her you know, kind
Speaker 1: of also agreeing with that. But which is where I
Speaker 1: sort of got the idea to like, look at the Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I think, rather than bish movies. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: totally right. Um, so let's just let's just give some
Speaker 1: background on our dude. Yeah, and then we'll jump into
Speaker 1: these three grades. But I'm already through British movies whatever
Speaker 1: and started over there, which will learn Look something I
Speaker 1: learned another brit fact. I hope you're ready for tang
Speaker 1: slick Rick born in He's British. He was born in
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom but moved to New York like when
Speaker 1: he was like tin, so he barely was American. Rick
Speaker 1: cast yeah, because I was like, what happened? How do
Speaker 1: we get grimes? As slick Rick is like, And I
Speaker 1: was like Okay, that makes sense. Same thing with M. F.
Speaker 1: Doom Born in UK came to l A, I mean,
Speaker 1: came to the USA and it still rhymes. It's still rhymes.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I said l A anyway. Sir,
Speaker 1: oh yep, I see the English now. Sir Alfred Hitchcock, Uh.
Speaker 1: Sir Alfred Joseph Hitchcock was an English film director and producer,
Speaker 1: widely regarded as one of the most influential filmmakers in
Speaker 1: the history of cinema, and he was known as the
Speaker 1: Master of Suspense, which actually I'd like to give that
Speaker 1: title to my mama, who really, you know, really kept going.
Speaker 1: What is M. Knight known as? Then the Master of Twists?
Speaker 1: And I will give him that title. Then what's Chubby Checker? No, No,
Speaker 1: We're just gonna go down this line. Oh, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a goofy one. Uh. He directed over fifty
Speaker 1: feature films in a career spanning six decades. Really long.
Speaker 1: That's like Ron Howard in it? Yeah? Is that what
Speaker 1: it's called? Ron Howard? How old is run out? He's
Speaker 1: still doing it. Yeah, he's still doing it. He's been around,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe not as directing, but he's definitely been
Speaker 1: in Hollywood his entire life. He became known as having
Speaker 1: a cameo in his films. He was the first Stanley
Speaker 1: There we go, he did, I mean he did, he did.
Speaker 1: And so as a teen, this is how he got
Speaker 1: into into film. As a teen, he lived with his
Speaker 1: widowed mother. He didn't have a girlfriend or much of
Speaker 1: a social life. This is something that he's talked about.
Speaker 1: And he would take solo trips to the theater. So
Speaker 1: at sixteen he was reading trade magazines and visiting London's
Speaker 1: movie palaces. Three years later he wrote a short story
Speaker 1: called Gas and that was about a moral woman's descent
Speaker 1: into the decadence of Paris. And that's kind of gonna
Speaker 1: be a theme with him, especially in his earlier films,
Speaker 1: but in his continued film kind of this like Pristine Woman,
Speaker 1: the you know, beautiful blonde that kind of delves into
Speaker 1: horror or sin. It's interesting too. I mean to say that,
Speaker 1: like that's going to be one of the themes. We
Speaker 1: talked about that and that is the major theme. But
Speaker 1: like when you talk about Hitchcock, you talk about themes
Speaker 1: because there are the sort of running He's the most
Speaker 1: consistent filmmaker that there are these running ideas and also
Speaker 1: running technical things that go that you can trace through
Speaker 1: his whole career. So I think it's interesting to bring
Speaker 1: up that, Like he started going to movies when he
Speaker 1: was a teenager, which was really at the time of
Speaker 1: the birth of movies. Yeah, Like he grew up in
Speaker 1: movies at the same time movies grew up. And so
Speaker 1: when he sort of made he started making movies as
Speaker 1: a young man, and he made like twenty four British
Speaker 1: films and like twelve Years or something like that, And
Speaker 1: it was in a time that he sort of synthesized
Speaker 1: all the things that movies could and would be when
Speaker 1: it came to both performance and story, but also the
Speaker 1: technical aspects like moving the camera. Yeah, sound appear like
Speaker 1: he made a bunch of silent films. That was actually
Speaker 1: his start. He got in in nine He got to
Speaker 1: start at an American movie company called Famous Players Last
Speaker 1: Key that had moved to London. And so what he
Speaker 1: did was he made sample title cards, like so the
Speaker 1: way that like um that they would actually draw like.
Speaker 1: He was a title card illustrator back for the black
Speaker 1: and white silent films, and so he made a bunch
Speaker 1: of those and they gave him the job. And then
Speaker 1: he started working in props and sets, as you do
Speaker 1: when you're when you're working for a movie company, and
Speaker 1: someone gave him like a slips like, hey, there's this
Speaker 1: company company Adobe out here and that's trying to trying
Speaker 1: to encroach upon our photoshops. So, okay, I'm gonna cut
Speaker 1: the jokes in the end of the jokes of the episode.
Speaker 1: I like to remind people we are how stuff works comedy,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's kind of boring when you're just
Speaker 1: reciting someone's like, yeah, exactly, this ain't being comedy. We'll
Speaker 1: step it up. We'll step it up. But then Paramount
Speaker 1: pulled out of London in two but Hitchhock he didn't
Speaker 1: stop there. He was hired as an assistant director by
Speaker 1: a firm that would be later known as Gainsborough Picture,
Speaker 1: and then he worked his way up and had his
Speaker 1: first thriller, The Lodge, a story of the London fog,
Speaker 1: that dropped in nineteen seven. Man, that is exactly nine.
Speaker 1: Are you trying to do the math before? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: So The Lodger, which was about the hunt for a
Speaker 1: serial killer who wearing a black cloak and carrying a
Speaker 1: black bag is murdering young women in London. So again, um,
Speaker 1: this was largely based off of his fascination with Jack
Speaker 1: the Ripper. Again, we have this this blonde woman that
Speaker 1: appears and that will continue to be a trope for him.
Speaker 1: Do you feel at all, like, I know, he's such
Speaker 1: a respected director, but I mean, this has to be
Speaker 1: problemat you're smiling, has to be seen. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not that I want to go back and look at
Speaker 1: because we get kind of people get upset when you
Speaker 1: look back at art as like, especially when it happens
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, it doesn't matter. Some people
Speaker 1: like Rod Serling, we learned we're able to be progressive
Speaker 1: even in a time which it's not accepted. That's true,
Speaker 1: I think, you know. And and that's why I mentioned
Speaker 1: like we talked about his masterpieces, which sort of pointed
Speaker 1: to his obsessions also, and his obsessions are what makes
Speaker 1: him problematic in part. The other part of what makes
Speaker 1: him problematic is he was not a nice person. No,
Speaker 1: and he was I watched you can watch YouTube videos
Speaker 1: because there's footage of him and he was super inappropriate
Speaker 1: with his actresses. Is one of him like lifting up
Speaker 1: her dress and like while she's speaking, and like the
Speaker 1: way he would alert and so it's yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: interesting and I'm sorry to interrupt. Um, I there's I
Speaker 1: always read about that stuff and I saw those videos too,
Speaker 1: and I thought, like, this guy's a monster. Um. And
Speaker 1: then I was reading this great biography by Peter Ackroyd
Speaker 1: of Hitchcock, and it's sort of a great casual biography.
Speaker 1: It's not super in depth because as I said, I
Speaker 1: don't like to get into biography. And the portrait he
Speaker 1: paints of Hitchcock is basically as a control freak who
Speaker 1: was afraid of everything, so as a way of quelling
Speaker 1: his own anxiety and his own fear of the world.
Speaker 1: Like he was afraid to walk from one end of
Speaker 1: a set to another because he was afraid someone would
Speaker 1: come talk to him and he wouldn't know how to
Speaker 1: have that interaction. So he was this neurotic, anxious guy. Um.
Speaker 1: And so the way he treated other people was to
Speaker 1: utterly control them. Um. And he did like he was
Speaker 1: particularly hard on women because he was so afraid of them,
Speaker 1: which doesn't excuse it by any means, but it's his
Speaker 1: way of dealing with the world, which is fascinating in
Speaker 1: terms of his movies because all of that is in there,
Speaker 1: Like his movies are so loaded with his personality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another thing that I learned as we were researching this
Speaker 1: is that another another element of that was that he
Speaker 1: was very uncomfortable with his body. He was uncomfortable with
Speaker 1: his sexuality. In fact, he actually said that he was
Speaker 1: celibate at thirty even though he was married, he was
Speaker 1: married with a child, and said that he was no
Speaker 1: longer having sex anymore, and so the but he also
Speaker 1: and I read that too, but he also loved his
Speaker 1: wife so much. Yeah, I mean, you can do both.
Speaker 1: But he was so so like buttoned up and so
Speaker 1: stand offish and that you would think that he would
Speaker 1: never display any emotion. But later in their lives, when
Speaker 1: Alma got sick, like, he was on the floor, literally
Speaker 1: on the floor of whatever film he was directing at
Speaker 1: the time because he couldn't deal with it. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it's so interesting because just once again touch back on
Speaker 1: the whole Rod Serling thing. We when we had Twilight
Speaker 1: and we're talking about Rod Serling using his fears and
Speaker 1: his shows and everything was so obviously kind of touching
Speaker 1: on his experiences with the war, and I feel like,
Speaker 1: even what I know about all the Hitchcock films, it
Speaker 1: seems very the same situation. Is if you look at
Speaker 1: something like rear Window, the one that I've actually seen
Speaker 1: someone who is witnessing something and it can do nothing
Speaker 1: about it. Of course, that would make a control freak
Speaker 1: freak out. You're in a situation that that you want
Speaker 1: to do something and you can't do it. You're stuck,
Speaker 1: that is, and you know it's it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: But I think one thing I want to hit on
Speaker 1: for my future writers listening to not my future all
Speaker 1: my writers out there listening listening to the cast, and
Speaker 1: you're like anchoring for ideas for something scary. Think about
Speaker 1: what scares you. It seems time and time again that
Speaker 1: seems to be what because I also, one of the
Speaker 1: best piece of writing advice I've gotten was when someone
Speaker 1: was like, right, what you know, don't be afraid to
Speaker 1: make your characters you you know, just reskin yourself and
Speaker 1: make it. And it's true when you put an element
Speaker 1: of yourself into your character because you know yourself so well,
Speaker 1: it's so easy to write that. So of course, writing
Speaker 1: something scary, that focus on something you're actually afraid of
Speaker 1: is going to be good and also can show some
Speaker 1: glaring issues that you also have. That's the other fascinating
Speaker 1: thing though with Hitchcock is I don't know how self
Speaker 1: aware he was about this stuff is he would conceive
Speaker 1: of films. And North By Northwest is a great example
Speaker 1: for for if you who hasn't seen it, it's basically
Speaker 1: a series of set pieces, like you've seen the famous
Speaker 1: parts of it where Carrie Grant is being chased by
Speaker 1: a crop duster in the middle of nowhere, or he's
Speaker 1: hanging off of Mount Rushmore and at the end of
Speaker 1: the movie. And so the way that Hitchcock can sieved
Speaker 1: of movies was to say, here are the things I
Speaker 1: want to do, and logic doesn't really matter. Um. What
Speaker 1: he wasn't realizing was how much everything he was putting
Speaker 1: together was saying about him. Like Rear Window is another
Speaker 1: great example. I don't think he understood, or at least
Speaker 1: he never talked about the way that not having control
Speaker 1: of the situation would be so terrifying of him for
Speaker 1: him right to him, the movie was an opportunity to
Speaker 1: one work with Grace Kelly, who was his absolute favorite
Speaker 1: in an almost creepy way. Um, but but also like
Speaker 1: she's a person and was kind of pals with him,
Speaker 1: So there's a sort of strips away the creepiness that
Speaker 1: was built up over the years. But to him, it
Speaker 1: was about working with Grace Kelly and being able to
Speaker 1: build an entire apartment Like to him, that was the
Speaker 1: fun of that movie was I get to build this
Speaker 1: apartment set, which is both the interior and then the
Speaker 1: window looking out to something like a dozen different apartments,
Speaker 1: and you had to be able to see into every
Speaker 1: single one and orchestrating the movements of the actors in
Speaker 1: all of those apartments. Like that was the fun of directing.
Speaker 1: To him, he didn't care about story. He didn't care
Speaker 1: about character. Um, you both can tell me as an
Speaker 1: actor if this is terrible. But the way he would
Speaker 1: direct actors is to tell them to do nothing. Is
Speaker 1: he would just say like and carry Grant actually responded
Speaker 1: very well to this. He liked this kind of directing
Speaker 1: where the entire direction was all right, then just turn
Speaker 1: your head to the left slightly and look down and
Speaker 1: we're done. Like that was it. And someone like Paul Newman,
Speaker 1: who did one of the later films, who is a
Speaker 1: very method sort of actor, was like, but what am
Speaker 1: my feeling? Was my motivation? He was like, because he
Speaker 1: always said your motivation is your paycheck. I mean that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's always the correct part, but
Speaker 1: I do know that there are a lot of actors
Speaker 1: and famous actors that are just like, just let me
Speaker 1: do my think, um. And I do know that Meryl Streep,
Speaker 1: who's an amazing actress, obviously has said whatever she is
Speaker 1: feeling is truthful for her character, so it can never
Speaker 1: be wrong. So if she's feeling angry in that moment,
Speaker 1: well then that means that that is true for her character,
Speaker 1: which is a really interesting way. And I feel like
Speaker 1: my teachers have approached acting with us that way as well,
Speaker 1: where it's like, no, I'm gonna cry, and this isn't
Speaker 1: right for the scene. This is like something emotionally I'm
Speaker 1: dealing with personally, but they're like, but it might actually
Speaker 1: because they are actors myself included in class that have
Speaker 1: cried during comedy scenes and it's like, this is not right,
Speaker 1: but it makes it funnier that you're crying over this
Speaker 1: dumb thing that happened, you know, like you got rear
Speaker 1: ended or something. It's like a tiny little thing and
Speaker 1: you're just having a complete breakdown. But like that is
Speaker 1: kind of funny, is it's an unexpected thing. But Hitchcock
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any of that. You would tell you to
Speaker 1: show absolutely nothing. Oh, show no emotion to me, because
Speaker 1: he subscribed to that montage theory, which which is true,
Speaker 1: but nobody really lies it to actors, where like you
Speaker 1: can show a completely blank face and then you can
Speaker 1: show like a wild barking dog and it makes you
Speaker 1: think that this is an angry person. And then you
Speaker 1: can show a clown and you make it think it's
Speaker 1: a happy person, even though the face hasn't changed at all.
Speaker 1: So he was juxtaposing what the actor was doing, which
Speaker 1: was nothing, with the next image on the screen. Also,
Speaker 1: the audience is going to put themselves on it. Then
Speaker 1: they're going to put whatever they're feeling on it. It's
Speaker 1: all projection. Yeah, for sure, that's great. Do we need
Speaker 1: to take a break? We do. Yeah, we're actually going
Speaker 1: to take a break and when we get back, we're
Speaker 1: going to get into some of our favorite Hitchcock films
Speaker 1: right after this, right after this, and we'll come back
Speaker 1: to another spooky Apple episode of Narratifficent. Across from Me
Speaker 1: is Danny Fernandez and Ben Blacker in the Kinney Corner.
Speaker 1: What if we made his chair smaller than ours? I
Speaker 1: actually had my first ever commercial agent, uh in his office,
Speaker 1: are like, if you sat across from him the chair
Speaker 1: was lower than his I thought it was. Isn't it growth?
Speaker 1: He's a growth person. I'm not with him anymore, and
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Um. I didn't mean that sarcastically. I'm
Speaker 1: doing good. Um. So Ben, you were during the break
Speaker 1: talking about that you actually like Rope a lot. I
Speaker 1: like Rope. I like a lot of the so Hitgecock
Speaker 1: came to Hollywood. Um, he was lured here by the
Speaker 1: promise of money and control, and when he got here
Speaker 1: he found he didn't have any control, but he did
Speaker 1: have money. That makes sense, right. So he was working
Speaker 1: with under David Selznick, who was running the studio, and
Speaker 1: he made a bunch of really interesting movies that are
Speaker 1: on the verge of being great movies, and Rope is
Speaker 1: one of them. And Rope is sort of a technical puzzle.
Speaker 1: It's based on a stage play about these two guys.
Speaker 1: Is who for for philosophical reasons to prove that they
Speaker 1: can get away with murder. Murder a friend of them,
Speaker 1: and they hied him just to show that they can
Speaker 1: do it really man, and they hide him in this chest.
Speaker 1: Is the friend along with it? Go ahead? I bet
Speaker 1: you can't. I mean, you never know. It reminds me
Speaker 1: of like a magic trick or something. You can't cut
Speaker 1: me in half? Do you think that's how that magic
Speaker 1: trick started? Probably? I can't. Just give me a few
Speaker 1: hours to find some mirror. Wait, is that how? So? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It truly is so rope came out. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: it was these two friends. So it's the two friends.
Speaker 1: They murder their their other friend. They put him in
Speaker 1: a box and they throw a dinner party and they
Speaker 1: have dinner on the chest that he's in, and they
Speaker 1: invite their professor who taught them about this stuff, who's
Speaker 1: played by Jimmy Stewart. And this is the first Jimmy Stewart.
Speaker 1: I think it was the first affair. Yeah, oh, you
Speaker 1: mean the first Jimmy Stewart like his main film. No,
Speaker 1: I think it was the first three story in which yeah,
Speaker 1: and Stewart was a really I think is probably the
Speaker 1: best Hitchcock actor because he brings so much heart to
Speaker 1: everything he does. And where like I said, like Hitchcock
Speaker 1: doesn't direct people and he has no heart. You need
Speaker 1: someone like Stewart or someone like Carry Grant who's so
Speaker 1: charming to bring so much bring humanity to the parts.
Speaker 1: But the technical puzzle of rope was that it was
Speaker 1: meant to look like it's all done in one shot,
Speaker 1: so as the story goes along, the camera moves and
Speaker 1: it'll like move behind something when it's time to cut
Speaker 1: the film, so it's basically done in these ten minutes.
Speaker 1: The instance of birdmanning exactly, yeah, I mean it was,
Speaker 1: it's totally that um, except without using a computer to
Speaker 1: go over like to fix it right, which was really neat. Um.
Speaker 1: So it's a fun hands on back when filmmaking was
Speaker 1: it was a neat experiment, and he Hitchcock didn't love it,
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Stewart hated it because they would do these
Speaker 1: eleven minute takes where they had to hit their marks
Speaker 1: and they had to get every line exactly right, and
Speaker 1: Hitchcock was so precise that it was grueling to work
Speaker 1: on and he said he would never work with him again.
Speaker 1: But then of course he did. Yeah, yeah, and he
Speaker 1: did in uh in rear window that our next Yeah
Speaker 1: he didn't. Never the Man who Knew Too Much might
Speaker 1: have been in there too, which is for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so there's so there's so many to talk about
Speaker 1: on here. We're gonna just hite sentence synopsis of Man
Speaker 1: Who Knew Too Much? So I know which ones to rent.
Speaker 1: This is a good one. It's a remake of a
Speaker 1: movie he made in ninety two. Well that one was
Speaker 1: actually oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, am I right
Speaker 1: about that ninety four, So he remade the film that
Speaker 1: he had already made in London. So he did this
Speaker 1: American version with Jimmy Stewart and Doris Day, who are
Speaker 1: a great American couple. Like the most American couple does,
Speaker 1: it still stay pretty much the same. So it was
Speaker 1: about a man and a wife who received a clue
Speaker 1: to an imminent assassination attempt, only to learn that their
Speaker 1: daughter has kidnapped to keep them quiet. Look at look
Speaker 1: at who our man's took this if he um freaking
Speaker 1: what's his name? That does all these films have taken
Speaker 1: films Liam Neeson. Yeah. Also, this is the first instance.
Speaker 1: This is literally taken. I think that's what we'll do.
Speaker 1: We'll just find something that uses an element of a
Speaker 1: Hitchcock film and say that it was a blanking Buffy speak,
Speaker 1: which is every movie used an aspect of a Hitchcock
Speaker 1: film that came every movie that came after it. Um.
Speaker 1: But but I do recommend it's a sort of lighter Hitchcock,
Speaker 1: which like as much as his Hitchcock was obsessed with
Speaker 1: voyeurism and violence towards women, he also had a lot
Speaker 1: of comedy. He did have a lot of comedy, which
Speaker 1: I think is what makes them watchable. He was a
Speaker 1: comedic person if you look at interviews with and his
Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock Presents was also comedic. I was watching one
Speaker 1: where he was like going to the He was like,
Speaker 1: we have to take a break now, by no mean
Speaker 1: buy this product from these people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, until
Speaker 1: like you have to come back here, and well yeah,
Speaker 1: he's very dry and it works. It works. So moving
Speaker 1: on to Rear Window, which was nineteen against so this
Speaker 1: would be his third time working with Jimmy Stewart. You
Speaker 1: guys missed my Jimmy Stewart impression during the break. Why
Speaker 1: don't clients clients. I want to live Zuzus paddles larns.
Speaker 1: You guys, I would say, my mom makes me watch
Speaker 1: that every Christmas and she cries. We thought that was great.
Speaker 1: We love you. We're just gonna go a different way,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, just diversity. But your your mother
Speaker 1: is ner house Dash, right, that's right, Okay, I'm done
Speaker 1: my spot on Jimmy Stewart, and I think i'm some point.
Speaker 1: I think at some point I sounded like Reba McIntyre.
Speaker 1: You rear window, rear window, which again, like you said,
Speaker 1: so it's starring Jimmy Stewart and and Grease Kelly. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let you explain it because you are
Speaker 1: a guest. Uh No, Yeah. Jimmy Stewart is a photographer
Speaker 1: who has broken his leg, and so he's laid up
Speaker 1: in his room and he starts looking out the window
Speaker 1: and watching his neighbors. Again we're hitting the theme of
Speaker 1: voyeurism and what he believes he sees is a neighbor
Speaker 1: having murdered his wife, the neighbor's wife. So again violence
Speaker 1: against women his twin themes um. Meanwhile, Jimmy's girlfriend, Grace Kelly,
Speaker 1: is trying to get him to settle down. There's a
Speaker 1: great like romantic relationship plot going on. There's that comic
Speaker 1: relief character who is his nurse, who is a friend
Speaker 1: of theirs. I can't remember the actor's name. She's so
Speaker 1: funny in it. Was it Thelma Ritter, Yeah, she's so
Speaker 1: great in that movie. So basically it unfolds that like
Speaker 1: Stewart can't leave his room, but he wants. He's like
Speaker 1: kind of growing crazy. Yeah, he's becoming obsessed with this neighbor,
Speaker 1: and so he sends Grace Kelly over to go to
Speaker 1: break into the house, and you get these great scenes
Speaker 1: of tension until the climax when it is revealed what's happening.
Speaker 1: I won't spoil this. You know what else does this
Speaker 1: disturb you? I'm sorry that does this? How? I was
Speaker 1: like they did all that in the Rihanna video, but um,
Speaker 1: of course not. Because Chila buff is in house arrest
Speaker 1: he sees his neighbor. It's yeah, the same that it
Speaker 1: is a real rear window. It was remade with Christopher Reeve.
Speaker 1: Did know that the eighties? It was? I think it
Speaker 1: was a TV movie. I've never seen it with Christopher
Speaker 1: Reeve in a wheelchair, so it must have been later.
Speaker 1: It must have been after his accident, but I cannot
Speaker 1: imagine it's any good. Yeah, okay, so let me say this. Okay.
Speaker 1: Hitchcock described Jimmy Stewart by saying he's the perfect Hitchcock
Speaker 1: hero because he's the everyman in bizarre situations. I think
Speaker 1: that is what why Stewart is like the best in
Speaker 1: Hitchcock movie is he's so relatable. How would we act
Speaker 1: if we were putting this scenario? Yeah? So then moving
Speaker 1: on from that, we have uh, let's see, we have vertigo.
Speaker 1: Yeah when was that? Years before? We were born Lord
Speaker 1: nineteen again starting Jimmy Stewart. So, I guess this would
Speaker 1: be like a weird thing I feel like in Hollywood
Speaker 1: to have, you know. I mean I know that um
Speaker 1: Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan's you know, but like
Speaker 1: I think if it were this level where every single no,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like Tim Burton and Johnny Depp were
Speaker 1: Christian Bale. People love their dudes. I need to find
Speaker 1: me a director. To find me a director, dude who's
Speaker 1: going to be putting me It makes sense, right, there's
Speaker 1: a shorthand and if you work well with someone you
Speaker 1: want to Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm thinking like
Speaker 1: if this I'm not trying to say anything back, like
Speaker 1: if this would have been weird back in that time
Speaker 1: of like having but yeah, that's a good question, like
Speaker 1: it was that normal or was it weird to like
Speaker 1: have the same person? Yeah, especially if you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: Hitchcock's coming out, Well, I guess that means Jimmy Stewart
Speaker 1: is going to be the lead, you know what I mean? Well,
Speaker 1: through the mid fifties or so, the actors were usually
Speaker 1: under contract with Yes so, and then that the directors
Speaker 1: are under contract with the studios too, So sometimes I
Speaker 1: get matched up, sometimes not, and sometimes they would like
Speaker 1: it was it seems sort of arbitrary, like they would
Speaker 1: pull actors from other studios too. If this sounds the
Speaker 1: least bit interesting to you, I suggest checking out the
Speaker 1: Coen Brothers film Halsey's Oh My Gosh. I love that movie.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of did not like it. I was
Speaker 1: so on board for it, especially if you're like, if
Speaker 1: you like goof it on old Hollywood and all like
Speaker 1: the dumb stuff, what's his face? You know? Talking about magic?
Speaker 1: Mike um Ning tum Channing Tatum. He's you just need
Speaker 1: to say magic. If you liked Magic Mike, he does
Speaker 1: have a few. Uh Magic mikey. He shows his Magic Mike,
Speaker 1: not all of it, but he shows that's a thing now,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm here for it. You don't find
Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper like everyone's showing their dingling. If I'm seeing
Speaker 1: how I'm getting snatched up. I'm praying for another magic.
Speaker 1: But I am praying for another magic. But do you
Speaker 1: know how quick I will have my manager have me
Speaker 1: in a room. I am burning incense. It's talking to mommy.
Speaker 1: Watta for a magic? Oh? You can come do moon
Speaker 1: rituals with me? If he well, can I just send
Speaker 1: you one of my third traps and you'll put it
Speaker 1: in for me. I guess I could put on my
Speaker 1: vision board for you. But if you get it, you
Speaker 1: got to bring me in for a cameo or something. Hey, look,
Speaker 1: my friend she put me on our She's yeah, and
Speaker 1: she's the reason I'm here. And I'll say, you know,
Speaker 1: none of us have anything to do with the Magic
Speaker 1: Mike franchise, So you don't have to have your pants
Speaker 1: off right now. But you know, I just feel like,
Speaker 1: just in case you never know. That's how I walked
Speaker 1: into a room and Vitigo came out in nine? Can
Speaker 1: you break it down for us? I don't know that
Speaker 1: I can. It's a complicated movie. Do you have it
Speaker 1: in front of you? Oh? Yeah, for sure. Um, so
Speaker 1: again we have Jimmy Stewart, this time with Kim Novak
Speaker 1: and Barbara Bell Getties. He wanted so Hitchcock wanted Vera
Speaker 1: Miles to play the lead, but she was pregnant and
Speaker 1: he was really put off by that. He was like,
Speaker 1: how dare someone go off and have a life when
Speaker 1: I have a movie to make? Was he really? Oh damn,
Speaker 1: I thought you were a kidding You know. This is
Speaker 1: how he was about. When he found people he liked,
Speaker 1: he wanted to have them, and so he'd become obsessed
Speaker 1: with these actresses. He tried to bring Grace Kelly out
Speaker 1: of retirement after she became a princess and I don't
Speaker 1: want to deal with that. She almost did, which I
Speaker 1: thought was really interesting. She was going to come back
Speaker 1: for I want to say Psycho, but I may be wrong, Um,
Speaker 1: but she was. She would only have been doing it
Speaker 1: for the money because Monico is that what she was
Speaker 1: princess was in debt and so she was going to
Speaker 1: do a movie and take the money. And then when
Speaker 1: he found that out, he was so depressed. Producer know,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say our producer Dan gave us this
Speaker 1: quote from Hitchcock. I was offering her a big part,
Speaker 1: the chance to become a beautiful, sophisticated blonde, a real actress.
Speaker 1: We'd have spent a heap of dollars on it. And
Speaker 1: she has the bad taste to get pregnant. I hate
Speaker 1: pregnant women because then they have children. Your wife literally
Speaker 1: was pregnant. Oh yeah, I don't know that. He saw
Speaker 1: her as a woman. Like it's a weird, complicated, kind
Speaker 1: of gross relationship where he respected and loved her and
Speaker 1: she was a creative partner through their whole lives. Like
Speaker 1: she started editing his films and they would break stories
Speaker 1: together and she never got any credit for that stuff.
Speaker 1: But he could not that stuff without her. She was
Speaker 1: bigger than him, did you know that? So she actually
Speaker 1: started so if he she was at the London production company,
Speaker 1: she was bigger than him. And he started out as
Speaker 1: an assistant and he liked her for two years. I
Speaker 1: remember because I watched the true Hollywood story on this.
Speaker 1: He like and we have it in the footnotes. But um,
Speaker 1: he liked her, but didn't ask her out until he
Speaker 1: thought he was equal to her. And some still do
Speaker 1: that to this day. But you are so right. Yeah
Speaker 1: she was. She was a businesswoman and and then you
Speaker 1: know that kind of fell or he got most of
Speaker 1: the credit after that. So so Vertigo. Jimmy Stewart plays Scotty,
Speaker 1: a former police investigator suffering from acrophobia, which is a
Speaker 1: fear of heights, who develops an obsession with a woman
Speaker 1: he has been hired to shadow. God, there is yeah
Speaker 1: this obsession, okay with obsession. Yes, Scotty's obsession leads to tragedy,
Speaker 1: and this time Hitchcock does not up for a happy ending.
Speaker 1: Dun dun, dumb um. Vertigo contains a camera technique developed
Speaker 1: by Ermine Roberts, commonly referred to as a dolly zoom,
Speaker 1: that has been copied many times by filmmakers. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so this technique was used on me once in my
Speaker 1: first TV thing I ever filmed in Hollywood called Drugs
Speaker 1: Made Me do it on the Bio Channel. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was in a docu drama where it played Big Lurch
Speaker 1: and to do one of the scenes so I can.
Speaker 1: So basically the way it works is as you zoom in, uh,
Speaker 1: as you physically zoom in the camera, as you push
Speaker 1: in the camera physically you also zoom out, and creates
Speaker 1: an effect where it looks pretty cool the world kind
Speaker 1: of it looks like the world is bending almost uh.
Speaker 1: And so they did that as an effect of me
Speaker 1: on PCP before I Hate Someone's lungs. Yep, it was.
Speaker 1: It is uh generally known as the vertigo shot. In
Speaker 1: the place where it's most famously used outside of Vertigo
Speaker 1: is in Jaws when Chief Broody is on the hook.
Speaker 1: Yeah and he's looking Yeah, it's right shot. I mean.
Speaker 1: And we can talk if you like about how Spielberg
Speaker 1: is the new Hitchcock. Huh. But we'll wait, Yeah, Spielberg,
Speaker 1: it'll be a reveal well, the so vertigo. So the
Speaker 1: Vertigo shot was also using Good Fellas, Road to Tradition,
Speaker 1: Body Double, the Island of Dr Moreau and Remake The
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings and Josie and the Pussycats, but
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of others. An illustrious last I'm glad
Speaker 1: you ended with a bang, the Oscar front Runner that
Speaker 1: just got snubbed. Um. Yeah, so we're actually going to
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then we're going to get
Speaker 1: into one of his biggest films of all time, Psycho,
Speaker 1: right after this and we're back so so Psycho. It's
Speaker 1: kind of cool because we just did the Halloween franchise.
Speaker 1: Is so we talked about Jamie Lee Curtis and her
Speaker 1: mother was in this. I also think it's pretty cool
Speaker 1: whenever actors don't take on their parents last name. No,
Speaker 1: I think it's cool, like their famous parents because they're like,
Speaker 1: I'm my own person. Because Janet Lee is Jamie Lee
Speaker 1: Curtis Lee Lee, but she spelled it differently. True, but
Speaker 1: you know her, she did take her famous father's last name.
Speaker 1: Oh never mind, Um, is he as famous? Yes, he's
Speaker 1: more famous. Please leave that in wait, look up, Tony Curtis.
Speaker 1: I'm looking Okay, Tony Curtis. He was in Houdini. Um.
Speaker 1: Never some like it hot. You know these were all
Speaker 1: before my time? Yeah, did you ever see the Flints
Speaker 1: like the sixties, Danny? These were living before our time,
Speaker 1: Like I said, was in The flint Stones but then
Speaker 1: had a character named Stony Curtis. That's how famous he was. Okay,
Speaker 1: just yeah, it's all good because we're living thirty years
Speaker 1: before Danny. I know, he kind of looks a little like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's done a lot. This is why Alicia Malone is
Speaker 1: on Turner Classic Movies and I'm not. I'm also not
Speaker 1: a movie reviewer. Nowhere do I care to be. Once
Speaker 1: that film gets black and white, I was like, this
Speaker 1: isn't for me. Literally, I wasn't allowed in the theaters.
Speaker 1: That's a good joke, Iffy. So let's talk about let's
Speaker 1: talk about Psycho with um you know the mom of
Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis, who Jamie Lee kept her name, both
Speaker 1: of them, I guess technically. Um. So, Psycho came out
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty arguably one of his most best, well
Speaker 1: known films. Yeah, probably generally regarded as his masterpiece, right,
Speaker 1: Like I think Rear Window is really his best movie,
Speaker 1: and it's his most watchable movie. But Psycho has in
Speaker 1: the way that Vertigo does, has all of his obsession
Speaker 1: in it, and it's it's super watchable. So here's the
Speaker 1: thing I want to ask, So you've seen Psycho. If
Speaker 1: you have not seen Psycho, my wife had not seen
Speaker 1: Psycho until a couple of years ago, and we were
Speaker 1: watching it. We were at home watching it. Now, you
Speaker 1: live in the world, do you know the twist and Psycho? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: because um because it was one of those things. Because
Speaker 1: I actually, oh, my gosh, here we go. I have
Speaker 1: seen New Hope, Empire strikes back. It's gonna come around, right,
Speaker 1: And I stopped there. I was like, Vader one it all,
Speaker 1: this is, this is how it ends by. But like
Speaker 1: I only saw those I think maybe four or five
Speaker 1: years ago, and when I was watching it, it was
Speaker 1: so interesting watching a movie that I know all the
Speaker 1: references too, because it's so in the world. And same
Speaker 1: thing with Psycho. I think it's one of the It
Speaker 1: is the horror movie. So yeah, I know Norman is
Speaker 1: his mom, so you would think we, as people living
Speaker 1: in the world, know all these references. So I'm watching
Speaker 1: this movie with my wife and we're really enjoying it,
Speaker 1: and towards the end of it, she goes, oh, thank God,
Speaker 1: Norman Bates is here to save him. And I stopped
Speaker 1: the movie, like, what did you just say? She said,
Speaker 1: Norman Bates is going to save her from the murderer
Speaker 1: who's here, I said, you don't know what happens in
Speaker 1: this movie, do you. This movie is fifty years old
Speaker 1: and you don't know what happens. So it was amazing
Speaker 1: to watch this pure viewing experience which still works. So
Speaker 1: like it works if you know the twist, which most
Speaker 1: people do, but it really it's amazing to me that
Speaker 1: it can be out there and like people, it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel dated at all. Yeah, and I love that you
Speaker 1: paused the movie to spoil it for your wife, like
Speaker 1: you didn't see this, because if you stop that, I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess he's not. I guess he's not. She's not
Speaker 1: movie savvy at all. She was like it, Well, he
Speaker 1: asked me a question. Let's keep watching. Why are you
Speaker 1: asking me this? Get it going? I did want to
Speaker 1: say that Psycho was based on Robert Block's novel Psycho,
Speaker 1: which came out in nineteen fifty nine, which was inspired
Speaker 1: by the case of Ed Again. Is that how do
Speaker 1: you think I think guying? Yeah? So the Texas chainsaw
Speaker 1: masker dude, A bunch of things were based on that
Speaker 1: true story. Yeah, leather face or whatever. Uh, someone that
Speaker 1: likes to cut people up and put their skin on.
Speaker 1: So then eventually would be Silence of the Lambs as well,
Speaker 1: a little bit in there. Yeah, and I remember Jonathan
Speaker 1: Demi talking about that. I mean, Psycho is sort of
Speaker 1: the beginning of modern horror. You know, it's not about monsters,
Speaker 1: it's a psychological story. Um, it's definitely the beginning of
Speaker 1: the slasher genre, right had there would be no Halloween
Speaker 1: without Psycho, which is so fascinating because when we're talking
Speaker 1: about Halloween, it was like, this is the start. A
Speaker 1: lot of people feel like this is the real push
Speaker 1: towards slashers. So it's cool that you know that Janet
Speaker 1: Lee and then Jamie Lee were both kind of seen
Speaker 1: as the start of their picar their particular generation slashers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Halloween was definitely like the trope catifier, but Psycho was
Speaker 1: the sort of primordials that it came out of because
Speaker 1: it has all the stuff that great slasher movies have.
Speaker 1: But there's something about it that's kind of I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say an art film, but there's something elevated about it
Speaker 1: because the tropes didn't exist yet. Yeah, it's not just
Speaker 1: gore porn. Yeah, there's some substance, but beneath it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about that on the Halloween episode. Also, I
Speaker 1: want to add a little bonus treat for all the
Speaker 1: listeners who might be running to go watch Psycho because
Speaker 1: tis the season. Um, so obviously now we're in the future,
Speaker 1: you can't really watch it in the film unless you
Speaker 1: have like an Alamo Drafthouse or something that's doing something
Speaker 1: cool like that. So to help you out, I want
Speaker 1: you to mark up this next portion right next to
Speaker 1: the end of Psycho where where the big twist happened.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna give you a movie watching experience. So
Speaker 1: just just on the count of three, they need to
Speaker 1: turn down their headphones. No, no, they need to try
Speaker 1: to turn it up. So here it is. Oh, Norman
Speaker 1: Bates is the Psycho. That's what I was called psycho.
Speaker 1: Damn alright, perfect. So that's that. That is an experience
Speaker 1: that's would be like if if you were in the
Speaker 1: movie theater with me watching it, which is all anyone watch.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I love when you're in the theater
Speaker 1: with someone who likes to call out like the connection
Speaker 1: or like if they the title, and so it's like
Speaker 1: if you and I get we go to screening sometimes together.
Speaker 1: We haven't as much anymore, but like we used to
Speaker 1: go a lot together. That's all right. I literally pressed
Speaker 1: Funimation to make sure. I was like, yo, I haven't
Speaker 1: been any screenings. You got something coming up, and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, we don't have the next one until
Speaker 1: Dragon ball Z. Broadly, I'm like bet yeah, No. I
Speaker 1: was going to say. We went to a bunch of
Speaker 1: the Marvel ones when they were coming out. We went
Speaker 1: to UM and it was so it was so funny
Speaker 1: to sit next to you Um, because you were just like,
Speaker 1: when Tony start calls that dude squid word, You're like,
Speaker 1: he called him squid word. Theater, I'm like, damn, it
Speaker 1: was great. Don't open that door. Yea Psycho. Psycho, we
Speaker 1: started the unprecedented violence of the shower scene. We had
Speaker 1: the early death of the heroine, which is not normal
Speaker 1: and innocent lives distinguished by a disturbed murderer became the
Speaker 1: homeworks of a new horror film genre, something that I
Speaker 1: thought was really interesting and doing my homework for this
Speaker 1: UM was to read that Hitchcock, like Psycho is his masterpiece.
Speaker 1: This is a brilliant movie. V He did not care
Speaker 1: about it, like he he didn't feel compelled to make
Speaker 1: it in the way he did some of his other films.
Speaker 1: He saw that horror films were popular in the fifties,
Speaker 1: like The Fly and stuff like that, and was like,
Speaker 1: I could make a horror film. I could make a
Speaker 1: lot of money. He had had a couple of flops
Speaker 1: before that and was like, this will make some money.
Speaker 1: And he put most of his own money into it.
Speaker 1: So he wound up making a ton of money off
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, so it was actually his most profitable
Speaker 1: of his career. He earned fifteen million personally, he earned
Speaker 1: fifteen million, and he shot it fast and cheap too,
Speaker 1: which is really interesting. Yeah. So I want to say
Speaker 1: that's the equivalent of a hundred and twenty four over
Speaker 1: a hundred twenty four million in today. Passionate. But but
Speaker 1: he subsequently swapped his rights to Psycho and his TV
Speaker 1: anthology for a hundred and fifty shares of m c A,
Speaker 1: making making him the third largest shareholder and his own
Speaker 1: boss at Universal. Look, guys, I just got into stocks
Speaker 1: and I just know that's tight. Also, if you want
Speaker 1: to join me on robin Hood, hit me up on
Speaker 1: Twitter so I can send you my invite link. We
Speaker 1: both get a free stock um ain't been tight. Good
Speaker 1: time to buy in right now? Is this the time
Speaker 1: for plugs? Yeah? Do you have a Robert check out
Speaker 1: hex Wives? It's out on Halloween. Sorry, I just need
Speaker 1: to add something. I meant a hundred fifty thousand shares
Speaker 1: of m c A. That's a lot of shares, two
Speaker 1: shares a Nike and uh I was going to say, yeah.
Speaker 1: So Psycho was made on a very constrained budget of
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand, which even for the time, was nothing. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a different kind of filmmaking for him, and
Speaker 1: I think that's part of why it became something greater
Speaker 1: than the stuff he had done leading up to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was shot in black and white on a
Speaker 1: spare set using crew members from Alfred Hitchcock Presents. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that he was doing that at that time,
Speaker 1: which also which which I was interested to read. And
Speaker 1: I'm not very familiar with Alfred Hitchcock Presents because they
Speaker 1: were hard to find for a while. Um, but that
Speaker 1: was just a cash grab for him. Also that he
Speaker 1: was sort of a name brand director and they said
Speaker 1: do you want to do TV? And he was like, well,
Speaker 1: what do I have to do? Do you have to
Speaker 1: write or direct anything. They said, no, just come in
Speaker 1: and introduce these things and put your name on. He
Speaker 1: was like, done, I mean why not? Yeah, I'm game.
Speaker 1: Uh So then we have my favorite the Birds that
Speaker 1: came out and I sound like I'm saying the Birds,
Speaker 1: The Birds nineteen sixty three, and this is uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, this is to me like peak horror, like
Speaker 1: peak scary movie. This I don't want to say. It's
Speaker 1: not like gore Port necessarily, but it kind of is
Speaker 1: to have your eyeballs like Pete, you know, pecked out
Speaker 1: by birds. When was the last time you saw it?
Speaker 1: M hm? You were a youth, right, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I was like maybe I was in my twenties. It's
Speaker 1: not as gry as you remember it. You know what.
Speaker 1: We were talking about that with Halloween, which is actually
Speaker 1: didn't have like any blood really, but you imagined. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Birds has the same. Similar thing. We'll look at
Speaker 1: that he's they are walking in each other, well, he's
Speaker 1: walking in his footsteps. Then like there's the shower scene
Speaker 1: and you see blood going down the drain somebody in
Speaker 1: birds like their eyes are pecked out, like yeah, look
Speaker 1: it up. Oh damn I'm going to watch. I've an
Speaker 1: it in a long time, but I really think it
Speaker 1: is because you couldn't get away with that. I mean,
Speaker 1: like not necessarily show, but they feel like they show
Speaker 1: them going at their face. There were Tippy Hedren was
Speaker 1: pretty much abused on the set of this movie. She
Speaker 1: was a commercial actress that he saw and was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's my next blonde that I'll be obsessed with. That's
Speaker 1: it's so crazy because you know it really speaking of
Speaker 1: like influences in Hollywood and the idea of like the
Speaker 1: perfect leading lady is this blonde blah blah blah. We
Speaker 1: have this director who's like, that's all I want. It's blonde, blonce, blonce, blonce,
Speaker 1: and he happens to be this influential. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you did that. Would it surprise you to learn that
Speaker 1: his mother wasn't icy blonde? You know what they say
Speaker 1: about moms or at least freud. Yeah, I didn't. We
Speaker 1: didn't even That is Ben Acker's joke. I want people
Speaker 1: to know he hasn't pinned on Twitter. That is my
Speaker 1: writing partner's joke. But it was so appropriate I did
Speaker 1: want to say because we didn't even say What the
Speaker 1: Birds Was. It focuses on a series of sudden, unexplained,
Speaker 1: violent bird attacks on the people of Bedega Bay in
Speaker 1: California over the course of a few days. Um. I
Speaker 1: loved it. My parents used to show it to us
Speaker 1: when I was a little and I just thought it
Speaker 1: was so terrifying. It's a great scary movie. But it's
Speaker 1: a scary movie that young people can like kids can
Speaker 1: watch because it's not terribly gory. What I love. One
Speaker 1: of the things I love about it is that the
Speaker 1: bird attacks are never explained, like he was not interested
Speaker 1: in that, and they that, yeah, they're sort of throughout like, well,
Speaker 1: it could be this, or it could be this at
Speaker 1: various points, but you don't know. It just happens. If
Speaker 1: you if I am to put on my guide you
Speaker 1: had for a second, that's what makes the perfect monster movie.
Speaker 1: And I and it was funny because a lot of
Speaker 1: people was really mad about that. In the one good
Speaker 1: American Godzilla movie, which was the Brian Kranston went fight me.
Speaker 1: Uh is is people like you don't find out where
Speaker 1: he comes from. It's like you never knew where he
Speaker 1: comes from. We assume it's like I think one says
Speaker 1: it is like atomic uh, like lizard, but it isn't
Speaker 1: like explored, and like there isn't like a backstory behind
Speaker 1: the people who did it. Because there's a giant lizard
Speaker 1: attack in your city, who cares, you know? And I
Speaker 1: think that's what's beautiful about monster movies. If birds started
Speaker 1: attacking their giant lizard, the news might be trying to
Speaker 1: find out, but you, as a person won't give a
Speaker 1: damn about where it came from. Your only concern is
Speaker 1: I need to be alive. Yeah, I totally agree. And
Speaker 1: I think like the most boring part of any horror
Speaker 1: movie is when the thing is explained, right. You want answers,
Speaker 1: but you don't never necessarily want an explanation. And I
Speaker 1: think as horror fans, we are attracted to ambiguity and
Speaker 1: tell me, maybe you'll cut this out, but tell me
Speaker 1: how you feel about this. I was in a meeting
Speaker 1: pitching a horror movie and it's it's basically like these
Speaker 1: monsters attack. That's the gist of the movie. Um, and
Speaker 1: the person I was talking to wanted to know the
Speaker 1: whole backstory of the monsters. Well, they're from hell and
Speaker 1: there's a double deal and there's stuff but that's not
Speaker 1: in the movie. And the person I was pitching to
Speaker 1: was adamant about like these you have to have these answers.
Speaker 1: We have to see it in the movie because people
Speaker 1: are going to have these questions that I don't know
Speaker 1: that that's true. It's not. I would I would even
Speaker 1: go as far to say no no, I'd just say no, no,
Speaker 1: m night. Shamalan signs, which again I'm going to rep
Speaker 1: for are because I really enjoyed it. But you don't
Speaker 1: really know anything about the aliens other than the end
Speaker 1: when you realize they're allergic to water. You don't know
Speaker 1: why they came. I think Jaws is the best example, right,
Speaker 1: is one of the great horror movies. You don't know
Speaker 1: why that shark attacks. That doesn't matter why that shark attacks.
Speaker 1: What matters is that shark attacks, and then how do
Speaker 1: the people deal with it. That's the story we want
Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, boy, I'm fighting mad now. Yeah. After
Speaker 1: the Birds everything went downhill? Did it? Oh man? After
Speaker 1: the Birds everything went downhill? He was sort of chasing
Speaker 1: the success of Psycho. The Birds actually didn't do very
Speaker 1: well and it wasn't very well received, although it's gone
Speaker 1: on to be like like you and I have that
Speaker 1: it's we adore it, but I think it's not a
Speaker 1: great movie in the way we're just like Scar, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that happened to us, and there's fun stuff in it.
Speaker 1: And like hearing the stories about UM about how how
Speaker 1: the actress was it was really bad. Yeah, like she
Speaker 1: even live birds take to her. Yeah, she had live
Speaker 1: verds that she was put in a cage and they
Speaker 1: were like thrown at her. Yeah. I mean they did
Speaker 1: some bad stuff to the birds and to her. It
Speaker 1: was it was not good. So he made after that
Speaker 1: a series of movies where I think there were a
Speaker 1: lot of compromises involved UM and he was sort of
Speaker 1: chasing stuff that was Poppet like James Bond had started
Speaker 1: to become popular. So he did a spy movie and
Speaker 1: it wasn't very good. It still had thriller aspects, and
Speaker 1: he did UM a couple of things that were more
Speaker 1: you know, they were in the thriller genre, but they
Speaker 1: were sort of outside what Hitchcock really does until Frenzy,
Speaker 1: which was I think his final movie UM, and he
Speaker 1: did that in Britain. He went back to England. That
Speaker 1: was UM and I can't remember why he chose to
Speaker 1: go back to England, except that it seemed real right
Speaker 1: and full circle E and um Frenzy is not a
Speaker 1: great movie, but it does come back to all of
Speaker 1: Hitchcock's a sessions where it's about watching, and it's about
Speaker 1: violence on women and it's about um sort of a
Speaker 1: pure cinema experience in that, like the camera is moving
Speaker 1: a lot more than it does in his other movies. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it was pretty it was pretty well received and
Speaker 1: it did very well. So he went out on a
Speaker 1: note that he could be proud of. And he did
Speaker 1: not plan for that to be his last movie. He
Speaker 1: was I think eighty at the time, but wanted to
Speaker 1: keep making movies and then until his health just failed him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would end up passing away about eight years later.
Speaker 1: In Night we couldn't get anything off the ground, and
Speaker 1: that eight years later and eight years before we were
Speaker 1: born counted down. I think that's what's really import before
Speaker 1: you were born. Uh So, before we wrap up, I
Speaker 1: just want to touch on another thing that was, you know,
Speaker 1: some pretty popular, which was Alfred Hitchcock Present, which was
Speaker 1: an anthology series that, like we said, was hosted and
Speaker 1: produced by him. Uh. It aired on CBS and on NBC. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember this because this was the big, big show
Speaker 1: that had the intro of him walking into a silhouette.
Speaker 1: And I gotta say, it's a pretty baller move to
Speaker 1: like have your gut in the silhouette, because me, it
Speaker 1: would have been a silhouette with a nice bulge six pack.
Speaker 1: He was like, no, I'm gonna get the whole road
Speaker 1: toun gut. You knows, yeah, I mean he you can
Speaker 1: go back and watch it. He joked a lot. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of comedy in it. He joked about himself,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. So it was a series of literary
Speaker 1: anthologies essentially that they did, and I think most I
Speaker 1: think some of them you can watch. I think most
Speaker 1: of them you could probably still waking. They're out there.
Speaker 1: I think they're on Hulu or something. Are you familiar
Speaker 1: with them? I know there are great ones, but I
Speaker 1: don't really know. I don't really off the top of
Speaker 1: my head. But I mean, other than that, a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, thriller anthologies were big at the time. I
Speaker 1: bet if you go on the A. V Club or something,
Speaker 1: they have a list of these are the ten you
Speaker 1: should watch. Yeah, so one of them is among the
Speaker 1: most famous episodes is Ronald Dolls Man from the South,
Speaker 1: which came out in nineteen sixty starring Steve McQueen and
Speaker 1: Uh and Uh, in which a man bets his finger
Speaker 1: that he can start his lighter ten times in a row. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's a great episode, Yeah, and Peter Laurie. It was
Speaker 1: ranked number forty one on TV Guides one dred Greatest
Speaker 1: Episodes of all Time. The episode was later reference and
Speaker 1: remade in the film Four Rooms, with Quentin Tarantino directing
Speaker 1: a segment called the Man from Hollywood instead of his
Speaker 1: finger was feet right? You know who knows? Probably cutting
Speaker 1: off the finger in Four Rooms is the only good
Speaker 1: thirty seconds of that movie. It's so no joke, like
Speaker 1: it's so well executed, Like the editing is so tight
Speaker 1: and so interesting, and the build up to it is
Speaker 1: so good. But it lasts like seconds that it's perfect.
Speaker 1: Oh man, the rest of the movie can go hang.
Speaker 1: So I think we we tackled his biggest hits. We
Speaker 1: couldn't tackle everything, but we got a little bit into
Speaker 1: his mindset and some of the problematic issues, which again
Speaker 1: it's okay to talk about the problematic things of the
Speaker 1: things you love I think ignoring them is absurd. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's definitely, especially when, like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it kind of influenced it, you know, for better or
Speaker 1: for worse. So you I feel like you do kind
Speaker 1: of have to in this situation. But uh no, that
Speaker 1: that was it. And you know, let us know if
Speaker 1: you have some Alfred Hitchcock films that you love, and
Speaker 1: definitely add a synopsias for it and where I can
Speaker 1: see it because Alfred Ish Crock ain't on Netflix. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening. Oh. Also, if you are
Speaker 1: Hitchcock head and you haven't been go on the tram
Speaker 1: right at Universal Studios, they always stop in front of
Speaker 1: his office and it has his silhouette on the window
Speaker 1: and they're like, he used to write right there. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's funny because like, are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Mean that guy went out to lunch to eat, right?
Speaker 1: I mean, I can never work in in the office
Speaker 1: and I always do most of my work outside of worship.
Speaker 1: I just want to know like that. I can understand
Speaker 1: if that's the building they relocated it, but that specific
Speaker 1: one right there, Yeah, we took the tram to it
Speaker 1: every day. We should ask our universal friends. They would know,
Speaker 1: is the Psycho House still there? Yeah? Still? That won't
Speaker 1: go anywhere. And I still tell that a joke about
Speaker 1: when Jim Carrey was shooting on set. Oh you haven't
Speaker 1: been on the tram when they tell you. Apparently one
Speaker 1: time Jim Carrey was shooting on the lot and he
Speaker 1: got an address and hid in the house and during
Speaker 1: one of the Tram shows, runs out with a knife
Speaker 1: and dress and freaks everyone out. And I was like,
Speaker 1: why couldn't that be mine? Why can I get that experience?
Speaker 1: That was tight? I would love the idea of Jim
Speaker 1: Carrey just hanging out there still yeah, over there anymore. Also,
Speaker 1: I liked the idea of, like there had to be
Speaker 1: a good fifteen minutes of him just sitting at dusk,
Speaker 1: probably creeping right there here. Now, I love it. I
Speaker 1: was going to say, I know. Also, if you're a
Speaker 1: big hitchcock head, I guess hit up or any of
Speaker 1: these black and white films hit up. Alicia Malone, because
Speaker 1: she's the host of Returner Classic Movies, is constantly live
Speaker 1: in that life. I think she wishes that she was
Speaker 1: back in that time. Yeah, you know, tweet at at beIN,
Speaker 1: beIN black er and and do it, get into it.
Speaker 1: I'll talk about it with you and and Tag you
Speaker 1: know Alicia, just get all the get all the people
Speaker 1: that are Yeah. Um, Ben, when is a hex Wives
Speaker 1: dropping again? I'm glad you asked. It's out on Halloween.
Speaker 1: If you're here in l A. What this comes out
Speaker 1: before Halloween? Right? Yeah? If you're here in l A.
Speaker 1: I'm doing a signing at Golden Apple Comics at am.
Speaker 1: We love Golden Apple Halloween. Yeah, come have a coffee
Speaker 1: with me the morning, bring him a coffee. People from
Speaker 1: that Golden Apples where Image Comics at their first signing?
Speaker 1: Is that right? Is that the insane one where there
Speaker 1: are helicopters and stuff. You can learn about that in
Speaker 1: our Image Comics episode. Just redeemed a gift certificate given
Speaker 1: to me by Jordan Morris. Uh, I forgot to use
Speaker 1: for two years and you know those don't expire. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're fine, you will use it. Come out and buy
Speaker 1: hex Wives. Ben did you give your handle? Uh? Guys,
Speaker 1: you can find me on Twitter at Ben Blacker. It's
Speaker 1: my name. It's also my Halloween name. I love it.
Speaker 1: I refuse to change mind. So yeah, months dark enough
Speaker 1: is I think only people who know how my name
Speaker 1: sounds works because it's if you should goul day. I
Speaker 1: like it. But everyone's like, what are these amalegation of ladders? Um,
Speaker 1: I'm at MS Danny Fernandez and all the socials. You
Speaker 1: guys be nice to each other out there, please. Um.
Speaker 1: It's the world is really rough and I just see
Speaker 1: a lot of awfulness uh and particularly directed at me. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know there's another person on
Speaker 1: the other side of that screen. So just this is
Speaker 1: why we do our podcast. We want to bring back
Speaker 1: the joys and beauty of fandoms and the things that
Speaker 1: we all fell in love with as kids and try
Speaker 1: to remember that. That's all I got. Yeah. Um, and
Speaker 1: for me, speaking of joy I'm doing a show October
Speaker 1: at eight pm. If you want to be happy, how
Speaker 1: about you come down a Highland Park. It's a bookstore.
Speaker 1: It's called Laughter House five. It's a nice Slaughterhouse five reference. Uh,
Speaker 1: come come through. It'll be fun and great. And you
Speaker 1: know Highland parks good. You could go to Highland Park Bowls.
Speaker 1: Been way too much money to go bowling. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the pizza is right. Yeah, I'd go for the pizza,
Speaker 1: don't bowl like like mooch on some friends go to
Speaker 1: a park of like, Hey, do you mind if I
Speaker 1: slang a few balls? Uh? But anyway, this has been fun. Ben,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. We've been goofing.
Speaker 1: This is probably one of the top goofiest, craziest, joke
Speaker 1: filled uh episodes, and I thank you for it. Big
Speaker 1: shout out to Dande for the research. His last name
Speaker 1: is Goodman. I don't know why I had a D there,
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, yeah, yeah, double d. Dan Goodman on
Speaker 1: the research and the editing. A man Zach McKeever and
Speaker 1: the booth always pressing buttons or whatever he does over there,
Speaker 1: and you know, stay spooky everyone,