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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a Numbers game with Ryan Gerdusky. I

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Speaker 1: am your host. Happy Monday, everybody. Before I get to

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Speaker 1: the main topic of this show, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about some gossip I heard, like from DC circles about

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Speaker 1: the Epstein files for a second, and this is not

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Speaker 1: like the actual file itself or you know what's in it,

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Speaker 1: but it's the background of Pam Bondi before she did

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Speaker 1: that whole binder incident at the White House with those influencers.

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Speaker 1: So I talked to a bunch of people who were

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Speaker 1: since then. So the meeting of those influencers was supposed

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Speaker 1: to be like this giving access to new media thing

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Speaker 1: where a bunch of cabinet secretaries and the president, the

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Speaker 1: vice president got to meet with these influencers and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't supposed to be anything to do with Epstein

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Speaker 1: and Bondi walked in with all these binders full of

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Speaker 1: nothing and was like this is part one, and YadA, YadA, yad,

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Speaker 1: and there was a picture that everyone saw and basically

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Speaker 1: made story go mainstream. Well, I've done my homework, and

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Speaker 1: I've called the people, and I've called a lot of

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Speaker 1: people in and around her orbit because I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to know why, like what was the main thing going

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Speaker 1: on to fuel this incident that has made this story

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Speaker 1: live on for like a month now. And there's two

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Speaker 1: things I can point to. First, Pambondy allegedly openly hates

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Speaker 1: Representative Anna Polina Luna from Florida, comes from from Florida,

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Speaker 1: to the point that she was complaining about her and

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Speaker 1: in the west and the White House. She was complaining

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Speaker 1: about her there, she complained about in the hallway, she

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Speaker 1: was saying out loud. And Anna Polina Luna, for those

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Speaker 1: who don't know, has been trying to push this Epstein

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Speaker 1: stuff for some time, for quite a few months, even

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Speaker 1: before the Binder incident. And I think I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: not exactly sure. But the prodding and the pushing by

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Speaker 1: to steal her thunder by bringing out these binders and

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Speaker 1: it completely was mishandled and has caused a backlash that

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Speaker 1: is like the never ending story. The second reason, and

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Speaker 1: this came to me from several consultants who I know,

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Speaker 1: and this is a real curveball, was Bondi allegedly was

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Speaker 1: trying to build relationships with these influencers because she's thinking

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Speaker 1: about running for president in twenty twenty eight. Now, I

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Speaker 1: spoke to someone who's very in the know, and they

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Speaker 1: said that she's had conversations about running for the White

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Speaker 1: House in three years. And this is the thinking in

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Speaker 1: DC circles, right. Obviously, Vice President JD. Vance and Senator

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Speaker 1: of Marc ro Rubia sorry, Secretary Marco Rubio are in

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Speaker 1: the you know, the favorites to be the next nominee,

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Speaker 1: with the edge obviously going to Vance, but Rubio is

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Speaker 1: very very well liked and respected. Well, there's this idea

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Speaker 1: in Washington circles, in political circles, that there is an

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Speaker 1: inevitability that we're going to have another woman on the

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Speaker 1: president ever vice president nominee ever in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: and Democrats have had them four times in nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty four. So a

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Speaker 1: way to own the female lane basically in the next election,

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Speaker 1: to be a female candidate like Nicki Haley was Nicki Haley.

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Speaker 1: For as much as everyone dogs her and says how

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Speaker 1: they can then secure a top cabin position like secretary

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Speaker 1: Like basically, it's like a two to three step series

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Speaker 1: but you know, stranger things have happened. Donald Trump made

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Speaker 1: now for the main topic of the show, I want

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Speaker 1: from Pew Research and it found that forty six percent

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Speaker 1: as Democrats. You may think that one point lead is

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Speaker 1: not much, but it comes in stark contrast from two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight, when Democrats held a twelve point lead

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Speaker 1: Pew has continued this polling throughout the entire last two decades,

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Speaker 1: the Republicans for the first time ever took the lead

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Speaker 1: by a point, and they've maintained that lead by a point.

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Speaker 1: Comparing the number twenty twenty to twenty twenty five. Right,

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Speaker 1: comparing those that five year change, Republicans have made a

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Speaker 1: three point gain among men and now hold an overall

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Speaker 1: fourteen point lead. Democrats, however, have actually shrunk their lead

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Speaker 1: with women, and they have a ten point lead with

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Speaker 1: women according to the Pew Research Poll. But the most

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Speaker 1: interesting part was not necessarily sex or race. It was age,

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Speaker 1: specifically among eighteen to twenty nine year olds. Republicans have

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Speaker 1: seen their support among that demographic group over the last

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Speaker 1: five years increased by six points, while Democrats have seen

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Speaker 1: their support fall by six points. Democrats at one point

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Speaker 1: and there's a sharp gender divide. Men between eighteen to

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Speaker 1: twenty nine support Republicans by eighteen points, while women between

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Speaker 1: it's actually pulling even further in the other direction. Go

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Speaker 1: back to twenty to twenty twenty four election, right when

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Speaker 1: we saw all these high profile, really incredible studies of

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Speaker 1: how young people cast their ballads. In the Trump versus

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Speaker 1: Harris election, voters under thirty supported Harris, but not by

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Speaker 1: the Catalyst, there is a democrat analysis firm, they said,

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Speaker 1: Trump's support among young white men under twenty two was

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Speaker 1: seen this on social media or if you watch cable news,

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Speaker 1: that part has collapsed. So what I did was I

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Speaker 1: aggregated all the polling numbers for you guys, right, I judged.

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Speaker 1: I looked at twelve recent public polls that made their

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Speaker 1: Were the voters under the age of thirty Among these

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Speaker 1: the overall average for voters under thirty so that Trump

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Speaker 1: had a thirty three percent approval rating and a sixty

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Speaker 1: among young voters. What is causing this trend is the

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Speaker 1: interesting question. No, Trump's numbers are down with every group,

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Speaker 1: as our most presidents when they're serving, right, Because when

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Speaker 1: my liking with the media praising him, and America is

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Speaker 1: a very fickle country, and we want things very quickly,

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Speaker 1: and we want things how we like them, and all

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Speaker 1: that feeds into that. Right. Well, first, Trump's decline with

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Speaker 1: demographic that voted for Trump in record breaking numbers, especially

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Speaker 1: a hypothetical matchup of the twenty twenty eight election with

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Speaker 1: Amala Harris's and the Joe Bidens, is that going to

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Speaker 1: I think their question is, is the Pew Research estimates

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: President Trump received a record breaking support among young voters

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Speaker 3: I think authenticity. I think the president, you know, was

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Speaker 3: But when you know, when President Trump went on a podcast,

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Speaker 3: And honestly, I'll got to tell you the only pole

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Speaker 3: you know, why are they swinging so far to the right,

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Speaker 3: I think it is a direct result the fact that

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Speaker 3: we swung so far to the left, and the pendulum

436
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Speaker 3: is just going in the other direction right now. You know,

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Speaker 3: for a long time you know, leftist progressives. You know,

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Speaker 3: they could go on TV and you know, say deaf

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Speaker 3: to the white man. They could you know, demand reparations.

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Speaker 3: They could you know, justify furries and you know her

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Speaker 3: boxers and public schools and this was just common discourse,

442
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Speaker 3: like and they weren't you know, like CNN was putting

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Speaker 3: these people on TV and treating them as if like

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Speaker 3: this was legitimate point of view.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, don't you dare make a beeper

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Speaker 1: jug on site, right right, I don't ever do that.

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Speaker 3: But it's like things too, It's like I'm not surprised

448
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Speaker 3: to see the pendulum swing in the way in which

449
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Speaker 3: it has because for a long time, I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: young people, especially young men, they were told we're not

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Speaker 3: allowed to think these thoughts, we're not allowed to say

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Speaker 3: these things. And so now I think in a kind

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Speaker 3: of a post cancel culture environment where everyone's kind of

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Speaker 3: emboldened and people can say things they you know, usually

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Speaker 3: probably weren't allowed to say. And even things too it's

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Speaker 3: like you know, having you know, you said it, like

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Speaker 3: having been doing this since I was twelve, Like seeing

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Speaker 3: the what's acceptable discourse kind of change, you know, things

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Speaker 3: that would have gotten you absolutely like banned from Fox News,

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Speaker 3: you know, many years ago. You know, now people are

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Speaker 3: just you know, up and at it. So I think

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Speaker 3: it's in large part because the fact the left for

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Speaker 3: a long time treated young conservatives, especially young men, as

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Speaker 3: like an underclass, and we're just kind of over it

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Speaker 3: and we're like, no, like fuck these people. What.

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Speaker 1: Well, there goes the explicit on the disclaimer on the

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Speaker 1: podcast episode. What it's never me cursing. It's always my guess.

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Speaker 3: By the way, you're such a great network of folks, I.

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Speaker 1: Know, well, I mean the Okay, So just then two

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Speaker 1: questions that linger in my mind. So let's say that

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Speaker 1: you know, Trump's numbers when young people drop, because they drop.

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Speaker 1: Every incumbent presence numbers drop because they have to actually

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Speaker 1: do things and people are upset with you know, the

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Speaker 1: speed and which things get done and whatnot. But does

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Speaker 1: this support for Trump that he experiences record level support,

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Speaker 1: does it transfer over to the Republican Party in large you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I think that remains to be seen.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, jd as like kind of the

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Speaker 3: air Apparent, is really good at doing a lot of

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Speaker 3: what the president did during the campaign, right, you know,

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Speaker 3: sitting down with you know, the Theovonnes of the world,

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Speaker 3: the Joe Rogan's of the world, and making a strong

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Speaker 3: case for I think the future of the movement. Does

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Speaker 3: it translate to folks down ballot, I don't know. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's one of the those things where I think the

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Speaker 3: President's gonna have to go out and actually do these rallies.

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Speaker 3: And thankfully, you know, he's a high energy guy, and

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Speaker 3: I think he wants to do it. He wants to

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Speaker 3: go to Georgia, he wants to go to North Carolina,

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Speaker 3: he wants to go to a lot of these target

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Speaker 3: seats and districts. So I think they'll have, you know,

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Speaker 3: that going for them. But I think Republics are gonna

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Speaker 3: have to really frame to these local pensity voters. And

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Speaker 3: this is a problem that we've seen, right It's like

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Speaker 3: when Trump isn't not on the ballot, people just simply

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Speaker 3: stay home. And so I think that what we have

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Speaker 3: to really do is frame the urgency of this and

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Speaker 3: why it's going to be so important for us to

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Speaker 3: expand our majority in the Senate hold on to the

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Speaker 3: House as much as we can, because we're seeing it

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Speaker 3: right now, every single you know, it's so crazy. It's

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Speaker 3: like Mike Johnson slept on person in Washington. Every single

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Speaker 3: time a big bill comes up, Everyone's like, how is

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Speaker 3: he going to do it? How is he going to

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Speaker 3: do it? And I'm sure that Mike Johnson is stressed

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Speaker 3: out trying to figure out how is he going to

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Speaker 3: do it? So let's give him a majority that he

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Speaker 3: can actually work with where you don't have you know,

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Speaker 3: a few errant members, you know, who can hold the

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Speaker 3: entire coccus hostage, right, And so I think we've got

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Speaker 3: to frame that urgency.

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Speaker 2: How do you do that for young voters. You don't

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Speaker 2: really know about why.

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Speaker 3: These majorities are so important or why it's important for

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Speaker 3: us to have a ten c majority of rather than

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Speaker 3: a four seat.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: There are smarter people who can answer that question. It's

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Speaker 3: definitely gonna be I think that's the off end of

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Speaker 3: the room. How do you make this as urgent as

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four election was, And that's going to

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Speaker 3: be the challenge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that trying to get low propensity voters

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Speaker 1: out in the midterms is I mean, that's really the

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Speaker 1: whole kid in Kapotle because what people often sit there

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Speaker 1: and ask about is like, how did seniors become so

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Speaker 1: left wing? And I said, it's not that they became

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Speaker 1: so left wing, it is that the people that you

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Speaker 1: think of as seniors are probably no longer with us,

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Speaker 1: and the people who are seniors were, you know they were.

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Speaker 1: It was a very old reference when it say to you,

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Speaker 1: which you probably might even know. But if you watch

533
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Speaker 1: like all in the family, Archie Bunker in real life

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Speaker 1: has passed away and his like liberal hippie children are

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Speaker 1: senior citizens now. So like the conservative ones that you

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Speaker 1: think of from like thirty years ago will probably no

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Speaker 1: longer with us or if they are there or home.

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Speaker 1: And the you know, former hip children of the former

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Speaker 1: hippie generation is senior citizens now. So that's I think

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Speaker 1: the big confrontation. And if you're relying on eighteen to

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Speaker 1: twenty two year olds, I think that's the biggest thing.

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Speaker 1: If you are a young person today and you want

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Speaker 1: to be active and not make this your whole career,

544
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Speaker 1: but voice your opinion and support them, what should you

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Speaker 1: be doing as someone who's done this for salt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't get involved in a campaign, you know.

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Speaker 2: That's how I got my start. When I was twelve

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Speaker 2: years old.

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Speaker 3: I showed up to the campaign office of now Congressman

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Speaker 3: Rick Allen, and I just started knocking on doors and

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Speaker 3: making phone calls. And I learned a lot from that campaign,

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Speaker 3: and I think it's kind of helped me as a commentator,

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Speaker 3: right because I think there are a lot of influencers

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Speaker 3: in the space. You don't necessarily understand politics, right, but

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Speaker 3: they understand ideology. They understand that they love MAGA and

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Speaker 3: they love America First policies. But in terms of like

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Speaker 3: the actual mechanics of making these things happen, it may

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Speaker 3: not be like they their strong suit. And it goes

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Speaker 3: back to the point that you were making earlier. It's

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Speaker 3: like a lot of people get dissatisfied with things not

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Speaker 3: moving at the speed of light.

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Speaker 2: But I think anyone who kind of.

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Speaker 3: Has, you know, worked in these spaces and kind of

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Speaker 3: understands the way Washington works, it's nothing is really meant

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Speaker 3: to move at the speed of flight in this town, unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: unless it's a bad idea.

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Speaker 2: And so when it comes to you know.

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Speaker 3: Getting involved in all those things, I would say starting

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Speaker 3: a campaign, it's going to change your life and meet

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Speaker 3: so many cool people. There's nothing like that grind, but

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Speaker 3: also too, it's kind of been easier to kind of.

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Speaker 2: Be an influencer. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those things where it's like I saw

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Speaker 3: a recent study where it was like the number one

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Speaker 3: job for like Jen Alfa is to be an influencer.

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Speaker 2: And I think, which is interesting for.

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Speaker 3: A lot of reasons, but I think, you know, go

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Speaker 3: on TikTok, start talking about these issues, you know, and

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Speaker 3: and dig deep and kind of just be a truth teller.

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Speaker 2: You know, the only way that we're going to beat

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Speaker 2: back the bad.

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Speaker 3: Ideas, the Harry Sissons and the Parkers and the Reads

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Speaker 3: and all those people is if we put our ideas

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Speaker 3: out there and we flood the zone with our better

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Speaker 3: ideas and our better policies.

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Speaker 2: And so that's what I would recommend.

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Speaker 3: And what I would also say too is like, have

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Speaker 3: the courage to stand up for yourself in your college classrooms.

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Speaker 3: I get messages all the time from college kids who

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Speaker 3: are like, you know, my liberal professor is so crazy.

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Speaker 3: I just like always want a challenger, but I feel bad,

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Speaker 3: like I don't I think she's gonna come for me

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Speaker 3: or whatever. You know, Courage is contagious, you know, when

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Speaker 3: I was at the University of Alabama. You would never

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Speaker 3: think that there would be a liberal professor there, but

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Speaker 3: there were. And I would raise my hand and I

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Speaker 3: would push back if she said something that was, you know,

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Speaker 3: anti Trump, just fligerantly incorrect. And after class, people will

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Speaker 3: walk up to me and say CJ. Like, I was

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Speaker 3: thinking that, but I just didn't have the courage to

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Speaker 3: say it. But maybe they'll say it next time. And

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Speaker 3: so I think, be bold, stand on business and use

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Speaker 3: the tools that you have to platform your voice and

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Speaker 3: amplify the passions that.

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Speaker 2: You care about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's happened to me in college all the time.

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Speaker 1: I was the only one. That's probably why I didn't

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Speaker 1: finish college. So yeah, it's probably not the best advice

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Speaker 1: if you want to finish college. I also want to

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Speaker 1: say what CJ said, there was not many influencers who

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Speaker 1: know the mechanics of campaigns. There are almost no influencers

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Speaker 1: and know the mechanics and campaigns, and not just a few.

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Speaker 1: I could probably name the ones that do on one hands,

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Speaker 1: and there's not many. Do you ever notice, like the

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Speaker 1: Harry Simpson's and all those people all have the same haircut.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm just thought of that while you

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Speaker 1: were talking about it. There's like one hand.

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Speaker 2: Probably it's probably pull test.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure this process did a nice poll on

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Speaker 3: you know, what's the doucheiest haircut that we can do

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Speaker 3: that will loureen young women who love men with testosterone

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Speaker 3: deficiency and still, you know, help us somehow appeal to

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Speaker 3: the brovo.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, okay, CJ. Where could people go to follow

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Speaker 1: all your stuff and you know, keep in touch with

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Speaker 1: you and and read what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Well, thank you so much for having Ryan.

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Speaker 2: It's always a fun time. They can keep up with

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Speaker 2: me on all the platforms. My user name is the

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Speaker 2: CJ Pearson and I'll see them there all right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to It's a Numbers Game with Ryan Gradsky.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Payne. He is right. He writes a very long emails.

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Speaker 1: I want to summarize it. He talks about Oregon, that

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty red state outside the city of Portland,

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Speaker 1: and how Portland keeps the entire city voting Democrat, and

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Speaker 1: he wants to know if there's any chance that Oregon

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Speaker 1: will be voting Republican in the near future. Jonathan, great question,

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't that long ago that Oregon was a

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Speaker 1: swing state. In two thousand, George Bush lost Oregon by

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Speaker 1: zero point four percent, basically the margin Pap Bukenan took

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Speaker 1: for him the Reform Party, and in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: four he only lost by four points. Since then, however,

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Speaker 1: it's taken a sharp term to the left. There was

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Speaker 1: I think the best it was the best performing candidate

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Speaker 1: since George Bush was Mitt Romney's forty two percent. That's

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Speaker 1: a pretty paltry number. Oregon is elected just two Republicans

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Speaker 1: statewide since the year two thousand. They also managed at

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Speaker 1: one point to win the state House back for two years.

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Speaker 1: But aside from that, it's been pretty pointing results for Republicans.

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Speaker 1: And when you look at the data of how voters

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Speaker 1: have registered in the state. It's even worse. Since twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: Oregon lost has lost one hundred and thirty thousand registered

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Speaker 1: Republicans while gaining eleven thousand Democrats. And it's not just Portland,

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Speaker 1: because they bank a million voters from or a lot

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Speaker 1: of voters Reportland. I shouldn't say an exact number. They

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Speaker 1: bank a lot of voters from Portland, but they also

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Speaker 1: get a lot of voters out of Eugene and Bend

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Speaker 1: and Salem, and as I said my last podcast episode,

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Speaker 1: Democrats have jerry Mander the heck out of that state.

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Speaker 1: So even though it's got a lot bluer, if they

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Speaker 1: had fair districts, Republicans would have two congressional seats, which

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Speaker 1: they don't. They only have one. But there's no signs

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Speaker 1: on the horizon that we're going to see a red

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Speaker 1: port Oregon anytime soon, regardless of even what Portland does.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe if everyone there writes in Bernie Sanders name,

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Speaker 1: it would be interesting, but it's it's pretty blue and

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Speaker 1: it's only gotten bluer. Next question comes from Wesley Russ.

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Speaker 1: He also has kind of a long question, so essentially okay,

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Speaker 1: so he's asked basically, why pulling on mass deportation has changed?

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Speaker 1: Is it because polsters have changed the way they frame

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Speaker 1: the question? Great, wonderful question, Wesley, because we do know

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Speaker 1: the way that polsters ask questions often affect the outcome

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Speaker 1: of those answers. There are two answers behind this, first

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Speaker 1: being that the conditions have changed in America. Biden allowing

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Speaker 1: millions of people into our country illegally changed the feelings

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Speaker 1: of Americans, and it increased people's uncomfortableness with demographic changes.

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Speaker 1: But because we're conditioned to be like such a supportive

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Speaker 1: of legal immigration that you can't criticize, they've kind of

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Speaker 1: even Republicans, especially Republicans, have really pushed us on illegal immigrations,

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Speaker 1: all illegal immigration. You know they do the Ted Cruz

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Speaker 1: mean illegal good, illegal bad, legal good. But even before this,

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Speaker 1: you know, even before for this, before twenty twenty, you

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Speaker 1: saw a lot of polls where Americans supported mass deportation,

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Speaker 1: even though the candidates running our country did not. A

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Speaker 1: twenty eleven poll from Gallup found that fifty three percent

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Speaker 1: of Americans supported deporting all illegal immigrants, including seventy percent

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Speaker 1: of Republicans. A Reuter's ipsis poll from twenty seventeen found

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Speaker 1: a fifty one percent of American supported deporting all or

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Speaker 1: some or most illegal immigrants. And this change against mass

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Speaker 1: deportation really went into high gear when two things happened.

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Speaker 1: One the racial reckoning of twenty fourteen, where Democrats became

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Speaker 1: woke on race, and secondly, when Trump went into office,

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Speaker 1: and Trump's main issue being a deportation in a border

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Speaker 1: wall meant to be for those subjects, you must be

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Speaker 1: for Trump, So you had to be against them in

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Speaker 1: order to be against Trump, which really made those subject

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Speaker 1: matters decline substantially. And that's true of the issue of

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Speaker 1: the wall funding as well or supporting a border wall.

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Speaker 1: A Washington postpot in twenty thirteen found that fifty three

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Speaker 1: percent of Americans favored building a seven hundred mile long fence.

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Speaker 1: They used durn fence instead of wall, but a seven

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Speaker 1: hundred mile long fence across the southern border, including a

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Speaker 1: majority of Democrats, supported it. When the price tag was

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Speaker 1: revealed to be forty six billion dollars, a majority of

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Speaker 1: Americans still supported it, including a plurality of Democrats, and

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Speaker 1: that only changed because Trump supported it. Because that's what

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Speaker 1: happens in politics is that you live. We live from

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Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction to knee jerk reaction. We have to

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Speaker 1: have basically this partisan ship. Partisan ship has gives you

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Speaker 1: provides like an immense sense of brain fog where you

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Speaker 1: feel the need to oppose or support something based upon

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Speaker 1: you're getting signals from your elected officials or the candidate

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Speaker 1: you like the most, or the leader of your party.

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Speaker 1: So when Trump became synonymous with a border wall, guess what.

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Speaker 1: Democrats hated the idea of a border wall, even though

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Speaker 1: they supported a forty six billion dollar border wall just

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Speaker 1: three years prior. Anyway, that's a wrap though for the answer.

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Speaker 1: I hope that it was I hope that it was good.

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Speaker 1: I hope that you enjoyed this podcast. Please like and

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Speaker 1: a lot. It goes far so people can see and

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Speaker 1: hear about the podcast. And I will see you guys

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Speaker 1: on Thursday,